September 29, 2025 • 58 mins
50 years later, and ‘The Rocky Horror Picture Show’ is still going strong!
Jenna and Kevin are doing the Time Warp and exploring the cult classic musical! They share their appreciation for the film and Glee’s ode to the musical, dive into the controversy surrounding the movie, their initial thoughts when they first saw the movie, and their dream casting for a possible remake. Hint - you might go gaga for their suggestions! Plus, Jenna and Kevin are celebrating their friendiversary!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And that's what you really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Welcome to you, and that's what you're really miss podcast.
I feel like we should open this with like big
red lipts.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Just imagine everything we're saying.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Just a silhouette, big red lips for like a cutout. Yeah, okay, Hello, have.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Rockey Chai characters, Brad so good, it's so good.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Welcome to the Rocky Horror Picture Show. Today we're gon
we're gonna talk about Rocky Horror Picture Show. It's been
fifty fifty years.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
That's gonna be us ly well.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Also behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Today, the day we're recording this.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Happy anniversary, Kevin.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Happy anniversary, Jenna.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Twenty years. Has it been five hundred fifteen years? This
is our fifteen year anniversary, friend rosary?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Is it fifteen?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Seventeen years? Jenna? Oh when you look better than ever,
you bitch?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Oh my gosh, yeah, I okay, wow, seventeen Happy anniversary.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You're stuck with me.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I think they say, like after a certain amount of years,
have you've been friends that you'll be friends forever?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Like if you've been friends for a certain amount of time.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Oh well, whatever, that is, we're beyond that.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
No, we double that.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I'm like a growth. You know, I'm not going anywhere. Assist, Yeah,
you can't get me removed. Even when you push it out,
it still comes. Push it out.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
No, you know, like assist when you like are a blackhead,
Like when you when you use it and it comes.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yes, you're like what, yeah, it's me.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Well, happy anniversary, Happy anniversary. Here we are recording the
podcast on the Sday, talking about a movie, a musical
movie that we also did on the show.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I find it really I find rocky Horror.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
So so interesting. There are times where I like, it's
like I have a love hate with it. Do you
feel like you have a love or a hate for it.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Or in between?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I don't have a hate for it, Okay, got it.
I I think it's like to love. I don't know
if I love it, but I really do like it.
I really am Watching it again made me like it
even more. And I really love the Glee episode. I
(02:53):
genuinely yes, I think it's now becoming like yes topic
two favorite episodes of Glee. D Oh my god, because
I just think it's so well done.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Well, there's that Adam Shankman watching this movie again.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I think this movie's really special. Obviously, we're going to
talk about a lot about, you know, the life that
Rocky Horror has had fifty years on now where you know,
it bombed when it came out, had.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Terrible review reviews, not do well.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And I just kept thinking about when you're doing a
movie like this. Obviously a lot of these people started
so this this was an original. It was a stage
show down in London, YEPI and they, you know, made
it a movie. But I just kept thinking of the
level of commitment. So when you get hired to do
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something right and you don't know if it's going to
be successful, you don't know if it's even good a
lot of the time, and when you're doing a project
like this that is so crazy. Yeah, the fact that
everybody is so good and so committed, Yes, regardless of
this insane ass story.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, I mean what story?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
You know, Jenny, how do you feel about this movie?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
You know, I have found love for it. I have
found love for it and Glee.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Let me just give you a little backstory here. So
I didn't really know a Rocky Horror picture show. I
knew about it. I'd heard about it, of course you're
in a musical theater world. You know about it, right,
But like I had never seen it until college. My
college orientation when I moved to New York City, one
of the first events of orientation week was that they
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we go to see a midnight showing a rocky horror
picture show. Oh and so that was like my welcome
to musical theater, New York City life, this is your
life now. And I thoroughly enjoyed the performance art of
like people dressing up like some of our older classmates,
upper classmates, they did the performance right, they dressed up.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
They like we had people in the janet with.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
The newspaper that we were yelling. People were in the
audience were dressed up. Who knew about that? I did
not know, And so that was like a really immersive,
exciting experience for me. I think without that, sitting and
watching the movie itself is not something that I would
put on my rotation list. It's something that I can
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definitely appreciate. Like you said, the commitment of these performers,
like Tim Cured. This was his film debut, Kevin like
for him to be I mean, this role.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Is like so iconic, and.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I just like I appreciate the art And I did
some research last night while I.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Was watching, because I was like, what was like how
did this come to be?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
And I believe like Richard O'Brien wrote the screenplay, but
didn't he wasn't he a part of the.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Play as well?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yes, he wrote the musical stage production of the music,
the book and the lyrics.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, And I remember him saying like he he.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Wrote this not for like everybody to enjoy, Like he's like,
not everybody's going to get this, not everybody is like,
but this is for us, like yeah, And it's his
love of B horror films and the camp and satired
of it all. Like without knowing all of that, I
don't think I would have had as much of a
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deep appreciation for what they created, and probably why initially
it didn't do so well, because it's just like everything
under the kitchen sink and you're like, what is but
understanding the inspiration and the inception and the commitment of
these performers and like then how it grew like I
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get it again, Like none of the songs to me,
except a few of them are like, oh, I'd listened
to that on its own.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Also but I also.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Appreciate, like culturally what it was doing at that time,
and it was so controversial, but it is in the
best way, such a gay film that I love, like
I and what they did, Like, I was like, I
can't imagine that coming out in theater at that time
and people being like, you should go see this film,
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you know, So I all of it, I think is
like deep appreciation for it, but again like not always
my cup of tea. Like and then watching this last night,
I was like, oh, I like this Lee version better,
you know, Like I like this is one of those
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where I'm like, oh, yeah, we could potentially could have
could say that this version is preferred.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Well.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I think that's what's interesting about this is that you're
you're saying like you wouldn't necessarily listen to any of
these songs on their own because they work so well
in context. They're not nobody's a vocalist, right really performance, Yeah,
but it all works so well within the movie, and
I'm sure within the stage show it all works so
so well where it's there's an opportunity there. And I
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wouldn't say the Glease step is better. I wouldn't go
as far to say that. I just think it's different.
It's the glee step is more like polished.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah maybe I just I prefer that. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I think it's probably easier to listen to. Yeah, it's
more digestible because yeah, it's just like a cleaner, a
tighter version of it. But what I do love is
it's sort of like a blank canvas in a way
where because you can't redo what was done in the
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movie because it is again singular. Yes, they're so specific
to those actors playing those parts, where like you don't
want to touch it because it's perfect totally. And so
like Amber's version of Sweet Transvestite is Amber's version of
it is Amber's version of it, and I think it's incredible.
I think it's unbelievable. And I don't know if I
would have the appreciation for Rocky Horror the original if
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I didn't know those versions of the songs, because I'm like, oh,
I see what they pulled out of this. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Like Tim Curry's unbelievable doing Sweet Transvestite. But like you
give Amber that and you hear that version and it's like, oh,
these songs are written incredibly well and have so much potential.
(09:53):
They could be remade in any number of ways. Sure,
not that they need to be.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
But I'm also appreciative that, like you know, this movie
is argue I saw and I read, like are you
really one of the best musical movies of all time?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
It has done so well.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I it's not mine, but like I get it.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I love that it's an ode to like sci fi
horror movieses. They even use some of like real Frankenstein
props in the movie. It's so beyond like meta reference
on reference on reference on reference, but at the same
time still its own thing. And I like that, like
you were saying about the writer, like he wrote it
as a fan of like sci fi horror movies and
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musicals and made it exactly what he would just want
to see for fun as a fan of the genre.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
And also just bringing Rocky Horror like likely did for
so many other artists and songs that were past those
generations of our viewers, like bringing Rocky Horror into the
homes of these younger generations, Like I don't know that
they knew what Rocky Horror was, Like they're not You're
not doing Rocky Horror in your elementary or middle school.
(11:08):
You're doing Annie, you know you're doing I don't know
lame is even.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
This is the after dark version.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah yeah, and so to bring that also is like
was exciting, even though I can't imagine Stainless doing like
that would have been a totally different one too. I
would have loved to see him do that too, like
watching him as the MC and Cabaret. But like also
it's just like it would have been different than numbers, which.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
The thing is, I feel like with this show, anybody
can play any part. Yes, yes, and how often can
you say that?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
No?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Totally, And I think it would work no matter what
I was.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Thinking about, like casting it now, like who if we did?
Like if you did it now, who would you pass?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I also think it's interesting that it hasn't been redone,
and I think that's probably better. Yes, like don't touch
who would you?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I have?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I have no idea. Yeah, you also have to rework
some things. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I was thinking about like play against it, like either
I was like, oh, Ariana Grande, did you see it Janet?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
But also like have Lady Gaga play Janet?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
You know, like something like yeah, I like play against
all of it because you can, you know, so I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
That's a tough one, but let us know who you.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I know, Lady Gaga as Frank and Fred would be
also yes, really like sort of obvious, but like I
kind of want to see it.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
No, I know that's I was like, oh maybe, I
I know.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
No, you're right, you know you're right, but I I just.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
H yeah, man, I know. So let's go back a
little little bit.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Let's talk about some of this fun stuff and then
we can get into more of the nitty gritty of
like the actual music.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I would also like to amend my previous statement saying
nobody was a vocalist. Meet Loaf. Meat Loaf sang his
face off, came in there, showed up, cameo, belted sound,
said the bitches can't handle this, and then was gone.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, literally just gone.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
And that's like one of the things like when you
have like a real vocalist on some of these songs,
you really see how well written the music is.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Sorry, Okay, so where are we in the world? Jenna?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
All right, So number one song is I'm Sorry by
John Denver. I never heard of it, and the number
one movie was Dog Day Afternoon. This was released the
week prior to I Racky horror and Dog Day Afternoon
tells this true story of Sonny Morzik and it was
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played by al Pacino. I didn't see it, but obviously.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Wait wait this movie. Yeah, true story of Sonny Wartzik,
who attempts to rob a Brooklyn bank to pay for
his partner's gender affirming surgery. Oh well, begins as a
simple heights quickly spirals into a tense hashes standoff in
media circus, exposing desperation, love, and the chaos of urban life.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I think I got to watch this this same what
is what? How interesting? In the time?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yes, in that time those both those movies were released.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, so some other things going on. Elton John was
dominating the charts, which love makes me jealous that I
wasn't around.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
During this time.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Someone saved my life. Tonight was weeks away from coming out.
Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Oh my gosh, Disco was on the rise. Casey and
the Sunshine Mans, That's the way I like it would
hit later that fall.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Jaws, released earlier in the summer, was still smashing records
as the very first true summer block bus.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Oh my god, Jaws, and they also say like I
think they did like another poster with just the lips
and kind of like an ode to the shark OUs.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
In one of the like their marketing.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, shows like All in the Family, Jefferson's the very
first season is Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Well? I guess they just did their fiftieth anniversary so
if that makes sense premiere in October nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
They were favorites at that time.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Jenna, Oh my god, Studio fifty four was about to open.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
CBGB was becoming legendary with bands like The Ramons and
Patty Smith. It was like New York was going through
a cultural renaissance.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Damn one last thing.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Celebrity culture was also shifting, so Pacino de Niro, Jack Nicholson,
they were all defining the New Hollywood era coming up
and they're still Yeah, they are still killing it.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I mean, because disco was on the rise. Fashion it was,
you know, spell bottoms and wide collars and polyester and
earthy tones, very like we're out of the sixties, post hippie,
We're going disco. Give us the light up. Floors.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Wow did that too?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
So yeah, faver so a little maintenance here, a little
business work.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
So.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Rocky Horror was directed by Jim Sharmon, who also co
wrote the screenplay with Richard O'Brien, who, like we said,
originally wrote the nineteen seventy three stage musical, the book
and the lyrics everything. It was choreographed by Dave Tolgury,
with Jill and Gregory credited as assistant choreographer.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
And this was, like we said, based on the nineteen
seventy three musical stage production of Rocky Horror Show, the music,
book and lyrics by Richar O'Brien, and this stacked cast,
which is funny because Tim Curry this was his film debut.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
We'll never get over it.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Never get over it.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Uh, Susans Randon, Barry Bostwick, Richard O'Brien, Patricia Quinn Well now,
Jonathan Adams, Meat Loaf, Peter Heinwood. I mean it goes on,
It really goes on. Oh God, these songs just give
me a highlights, Kevin, give me okay, I mean.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Like every song is a highlight. Okay, science fiction double feature,
damn it. Janet over at the Frankingstein Place Time, Warp,
Sweet Transvestite, Hoppetuity, touch a Touch, Touched Me, Touch Me.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Wow we did a lot of these? Is that crazy?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah? We really did. And watching this too, I was like, oh, like,
costumes really did it. Costumes really got it.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
And the costume designer did very little research, like into
the B horror genre and really just went straight into
rocky horror, which it worked.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
It just it all worked.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
So the costume designer, Sue Blaine, like you said, did
no research and didn't want to do the movie, but
she knew Tim Curry, and once she found out Tim
Curry was going to do it, she said yes and
came on and obviously just smashed it. Some of the
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costumes are from the stage production, but some of them
are new and it was more costly because I had
to make doubles of things, so, you know, like they
So they originally did this at a theater I've been
to and seen shows at in London. It's like the upstairs,
like smaller theater of the Stone Square. I can't imagine.
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I want to see a production of this so badly.
Why don't they do that on Broadway? Off Broadway? Don't
you think that would work?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Off Broadway would be fun.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Like I feel like people know it, it's it's proven, ip.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I know, I just I think there's something about No.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
But I think there's something about the way that it
landed culturally and why it was so successful. Was that
interactive vibe with the actual movie and the original, Like
the original is so iconic and such a touch.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Point in history, like in like cultural history.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
That like to redo it without that like takes away
from the phenomenon of what made it so popular after
it wasn't successful to begin with.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
So like I don't.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Know, I actually don't know, though I wouldn't be surprised,
but you like, it's really one of those that's so
unique and so specific that like you have to do it,
you have to it has to be an absolute slam
dunk or like please don't touch it because it could
go so terribly wrong.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
What if you did it as an interactive thing like
sleep No more, so you have more bounces to like
crazy and yeah, that's interactive.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
That's cool, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
I think like with the interactive it died during the pandemic,
like that whole vibe.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Are they doing one with Phantom right now?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I don't know, but you need to bring it back.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
That could be fun, Like I feel like Rocky Horror
would really work with that. I know, oh Rocket Sorry.
Tim Curry also originally in the stage production, did like
a German accent, and then he heard a woman talking
on the train or something like that and combined that
with like how the Queen spoke. Yes, I don't know
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some of those more intimate scenes. The way he says
some of those words, it's very Queen Elizabeth.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yes, yes, I didn't even Oh my gosh, that makes
so much sense. Okay. We also did the great Rocky
Horror crossover.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
We did a tribute episode in season two and that
was like, what a fun time again, one of Kevin's
favorite episodes.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Can I also point out, I know we recently talked
about Hairspray and Shankman, but something that he did with us,
and I think we talked about it in our review
of the Rocky or Show, is how he was actually
in the recording studio with us. Yes, and having watched
Hairspray again, it made so much sense of why he
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works like that because in Hairspray, yes, everybody pre recorded
in a recording studio. It sounded great However, everything was
marked perfectly to reflect the movement they were doing in
the scenes and the emotion they were doing in the scenes,
so not everything was necessarily like a perfectly sung big note.
There were some like talking interactions. There were some things
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that were like said under the breath, and when he
got into the studio with us, we were also doing
that because he knew exactly what everyone was going to
be doing in.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
The scenes, which I so appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, and it's the only time we ever had that.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Barry Boswick, the original Brad and meat Loaf, who played Eddie,
were also in the Glee episode So Cool, So Cool.
All right, here's some fun facts about Rocky Horror. Yeah,
the film was shot in the UK, like you said,
Bryce Studios and on location at Oakley Court, a country
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house best known for its earlier use by Hammer Film Productions,
and a number of props and set.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Pieces were reused from the Hammer Horror films.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
So Cool, So Cool, So Subling, the costume designer, in
addition to not doing any research, claimed to her creations
for the film directly affected the development of punk rock
fashion trends. So's the torn fishnet stockings and colorfully dyed hair.
She thinks we're attributed to her designs in the movie.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
This Midnight Movie Madness began actually at the Weavery Theater
in New York City in nineteen seventy six, and then
they kept coming back, right, Audience numbers returned frequently and
talk back to the screen and dressing as the character,
spawning performance groups across the US.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
And like this wasn't this also when the whole thing
was created about like the fans would perform alongside the
film and have like a shadow cast like on stage
or like below the Yes, exactly, yes, I just it's
so special that that happened, and I fifty years later,
(23:32):
it's still happening, right, I mean so much so. It's
the longest running theatrical release of a film and film history,
Like that's nuts.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
It has a really large international cult following as well. Yeah,
like I said, it's considered one of the greatest musical
films of all time.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
And I think it's obvious why, like you know, it
has been such it has such a wide and lasting
LGBT fan base. I mean a movie coming out at
any time with this sort of like storyline and characters
that are playing with sexuality, sexual identity, gender identity the
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entire time. Yeah, pretty revolutionary. And also there's not a
lot of especially in the seventies, not a lot of
media where people could see themselves or people similar to
themselves on film. And it's so camp and joyous and
over the top that it's such an unabashed like celebration
of queerness. Yeah, that it makes I mean, it's obvious
(24:38):
of why this, you know, has had that lasting impact
on the queer community.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yeah, so they actually the spin night screenings actually became
a haven for LGBTQ audiences, and many queer fans found
affirmation community in a space to explore identity through the film,
celebration of fluidity and gender nonconformity, and of course that
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there's a lot of controversy surrounding this well, shocking, shocking, shocking.
The critics dismissed it as perverse or dangerous because like
this is nineteen seventy five. You know, this is all
very groundbreaking at the time, and.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
The you know, it's seen as indecent. But I beg
to differ.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I mean, you know, America has always been pretty puritanical.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
A lot of the critics hated it starting out, Like
we said, they called it tasteless, vulgar, nonsensical, and gained
its legendary status their midnight screenings and fan culture through
the people, because I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
The people are kind of important.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Of course. Also this comes along with censorship and over
the years, like schools, TV networks, and theaters so sometimes
sensored the movie or banned it due to the sexual
content and themes, which you know was sort of addressed
in the Glee episode. And also I obviously did not
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even realize at the time how amazing it was. We
were even doing it on a prime time network TV
show in America on Fox.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, it's true. It's really pretty amazing. Yes.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I mean, do you remember I completely forgot I had
never seen Rocky Horror.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
You had never seen it.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I had never seen it. And we were living together
and you're like, yeah, it's fine. You're like, no, it's fun.
Like you were, you know, you were a little warm
about it, and we sat down and we watched it,
Like I remember sitting down in our living room watching
it together.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
We did. Yes.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I was so resistant to it. I did not want
to watch it. I was like, I just it's one
of those things. Don't hate me for saying this. I'm
going to be honest, Tier safe Space. It's sort of
how I feel sometimes about David Bowie's music, or like
classic rock music, where in theory there's something about it,
like the sound that makes me uncomfortable and I don't
want to listen to it, But then when I do
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listen to it, or when I did eventually watch Rocky Horror,
I really really enjoy it. It's more of like the
thought of it that turns me off as opposed to
the actually actual thing.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yes, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. No, I totally I
feel the same way. And I think when I first
watched Rocky Horror, I'm like, getting me to actually press
play on some of these things is really difficult. But
I didn't even have that with like Hairspray a little bit.
I was like, oh, it's not my favorite, and then
like you play it and you're like, oh my god,
I love this.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
There's just some things that I feel like kind of
a verse stupid. I'm proven wrong often, Kevin. There's because
it's a fiftieth anniversary, which is so major. There's a
fiftieth anniversary documentary out in theaters right now called The
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Strange called Strange Journey The Story of Rocky Horror.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And I'm unfortunately but you know, the time that we're
recording this is not out yet, and I know I
can't wait to watch that. Oh, watch the movie and
then you're going to have all these questions. Yeah, I
just feel like it's a miracle anytime get anything gets
funded and gets made and something that is sort of
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revolutionary like this, How that could even happen in the
first place, and how it's had legs and what that
legacy means to people is I just think so interesting
and I can't wait to watch it. I mean, so
many people from the movie are in it as well,
Rachel Brian, Tim Curry, Since Sarrandon, Barry Boswick, and then
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also you know, Trixie Mattel and Jack Black. Now Jack
Black would be an incredible Eddie.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yes, I also need I need to hear from this
original guest. Yes, I need to hear.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I need to know you know, well, like we also know,
like we've had little bits over the years, Like I
know Tim Curry has said, like when the movie came
out and it was critically panned and it didn't do well.
That really affected him, especially it was his first film role.
And you know, in hindsight, it's great to like Rocky
Horror we know now is like iconic and revolutionary, but
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at the time when you're a part of something that
is seemingly a failure, like, how do you get past that?
Because it's you can't see into the future. You don't
know that it's going to be looked back and adored,
right fifty years on.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Right, fifty years later, there'll be documentaries on it, right,
you know, still one of the longest running you know films.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, So this movie is it looks into the origin
and of the.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Biggest cult film of all time and its impact on
popular culture and socio political resonance to this day fifty
years later.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
What's also amazing is that the movie like takes the
you know, the fringe theater aspect of London and like
traces like you said, this whole journey and you know,
now having done some fringe theater in London, Jenna, I
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think this echoes the sentiment of London has always been
a place that has been really welcoming to different types
of stories in theater and there's I think there's more
opportunity for it there. People are more willing to go
in and see strange camps whatever it may be. Sometimes
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it works, sometimes it doesn't. But the theater scene there
is ripe with openness still to this day, I think
in a way that America possibly is not totally And
I love that this is where this came from. And
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I think that also, you know, we talked about everyone's
commitment level, and you can speak to this more than
I can. About when you have done all the steps
to get something on a stage in front of people,
you have lived in that and we talked about it
with hairspray, where these things are tested in different ways,
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and especially if you have the same actors that are
playing the characters in a movie that did it on stage,
where you know these characters so insanely well, yeah, and
you've had the fun to play with it, and then
like you're comfortable to still then play that on film
presumably right, Like the kookiness of it, like when you're
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watching something people may not be necessarily realizing they're watching
somebody you like, put something on that doesn't feel as
organic and natural right right, where in a show like this,
it would be really easy to do because it feels
like that's what you're supposed to do. But all these
characters feel very like real in some way. It feels
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like it's a Yes, it's a satire, it's a parody,
it's an ode to a genre, but nobody is playing
a parody.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
It's like it's like they're playing into this world right
and and just really leaning almost too far in. But
it works for this because it's the satire at all, right,
where it's so it's so big that it's believable.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Like there's like there's just like.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
A believability, a willingness to lean into like the dramatic
of it.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Like I think.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I think that's why it works so well, is like
these people do still seem human even though they're turning
into stone, like you know what I mean, Like they
still feel human. And I think Brad and Janet are
the way into that, right. They are the ones who
come in from outside into this weird world and are
like come into our world.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
And Brad and Janet buy into.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
It so quickly that like you're like, okay, I'm it right,
Like right, there's there's the entry point.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah, And then and.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Then you're just like this kind of weird but like
not really like they're not they're not breaking that wall
of like what is going on. They're just kind of like, oh,
we were lost and now we're in this weird home, you.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Know, which is also why like the sci fi and
horror stuff that happens like murder, yes, and you have
like a Frankenstein's monster yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Eating the eating Eddie and you know, and if we're.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Going back to our planet and it's like none of
that is questioned, like I bought all of it just
because everything is done so unapologetically. Yeah, like it's done
also brazenly that I'm like, I just like, yes, of
course that's what this is.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
And I think there's like a part of it because
of it, like the be horror of it, like and
the inspiration, Like those P horror films are kind of
at that level of extreme and dramatics that it's not
completely unfamiliar, right, it's just elevated in rocky horror so
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and with music, right, full musical, which was even better,
and I don't know, the music draws you in so
much more than I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
These P horror films are just.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Not my thing, and I again appreciate it the art
of it, but it's not my thing, and so the
music was my way into this to this piece greatly.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I think if the music had not been so the
music is expertly yes written, and is of the time,
Like they're just really good, like seventies rock songs, inaccessible,
whereas I think they're not polarizing. No, they're in their sound.
I think the horror movies and like sci fi horror
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movies are pretty polarizing our specific taste. Yea, You and
I would not normally even a parody of it, yea, Right,
Like they wouldn't even normally be into it. Right.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
That's a good point. No, that's a really good point.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
I'm curious, like what you think, Like, obviously a lot
of these themes and these ideas in this like political
social state of the world, like this still rings and
resonates with people. What do you think, like if this
were to premiere in twenty twenty five, like.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
What what.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
How would people do this? I mean with a country
so divided? I don't I feel like this might be
the same would have been a similar experience for the film.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I think so too. I think the only difference is
I think there would be a bigger public square for
people to appreciate it. We have more access to everybody,
and I feel like, as much as things feel like
they're going backwards for the queer community, there are still
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public platforms where queer voices are going to be heard,
regardless of you agree with them or not. So I
think if it were to come out today, there would
absolutely be backlash, would absolutely be critics being like this is.
But still I think on the flip side, there would
be more people who understand it publicly and speaking critically
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of it and would be able to voice that, and
so I do think there would be more of a
way to champion it publicly because back then there wasn't
all this access, like everybody had an equal sort of
voice as you do now. Back then it was the
critics are very much just the critics, and that's who
we listened to. M m mmm. You didn't have ways
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to hear opinions like that.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Right, exactly, right, Well, No, I think that's right. I
think that's right. I think I.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Think it would do really well with the people like
it did back in the day, Like the audiences, that's
what really the fans made this film what it is
right yes day. And I think there's like a sense
of community in it, right, like you know, including the
you know, the queer community, but also just in general
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bringing people together who don't feel like they fit in
in one box like this like idea of nonconformity and
like being able to like celebrate.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Who you are and be and really be who you
are in this society.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
It's like a place to come and I think like
coming together and singing songs together in a dark theater
and like and just enjoying who you are and embracing that,
Like I think is why it's lasted so long.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
It's just a release. It's not like anybody's showing up
being like, oh this story means so much to me, right,
like the narrative of this way right. No, it's the community.
It's being in community. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And that that
takes time, Yeah, like that is that is not something
that would happen on a release weekend like that does unfortunately,
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just take time. And it's two years, fifty years, and
it's why this movie was made for like one point
six million and has made now I think over one
hundred and sixty five million worldwide. Speaking of that, this movie,
I know, I'm sure when it came out because everything
was shot on film, and like you know, people say
it looks like so low budget. I don't think it
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looks that low budget, No, because I think, one, you
have the advantage of everything on film looks a little
better because it's like grainy and you have that film equality.
But I also think like the genius of using like
one building the entire time, of having everything exists in
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the same place. Yeah, it's like sort of how you
maximize a budget.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
And because it's like a surreal fantasy, right, you can
get away with things looking maybe cheap or unrealistic because
of it, right, And it's I think it's just shoped
really expertly, truly.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
I think back I would have liked to see this
back in the seventies.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Like in the context of what was out at the time.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Yes, because then you can understand if it was style
it was stylistically designed in that way intentionally, or if
it was oh we have this much money, because like
it's pretty impressive what people can do is these days
on a low true, and not even with the technology.
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I'm just saying in general, like I've seen very impressive
short films, independent films that don't have a huge budget
that are shot so beautifully in the story and everything
is just comes together. So I don't know, I think
I feel like this would have been polarizing in a
way because it's so it's so it's satire and so,
but I think it was intentional, Like that's my gut was, like,
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it was intentional.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Well, you have to lean in. I you can't fight
the fact that you have a little budget, right exactly,
Like yeah, yeah, if they wanted it to be like
a really like a movie like Past Lives for example,
like you could do on a smaller budget because there's
less happening in every scene, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah,
(40:54):
it's sort of like a two hander and you have Yeah,
this isn't that, so you sort of have to lean
into whatever it is you're doing. We have a small
budget and we have this craziest thing we're doing. M
hmm yeah, yeah, no, totally totally. What is your favorite
musical number in this God? Probably sweet transistite.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Mm hmm, yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I love a good introduction to a character.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Well, a lot of these are that.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Oh yeah, but like what an introduction. Yeah, I of all,
and at this point in the movie, it's just like
banger after banger after bank. Yes, it's like all of
the most famous songs, just back to back.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
To over the frank simple, it's time words transvestite Like
it's no, I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
I agree with you. I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
I think set transvestate sticks out the most to me.
Uh performance, the song, the the number, like the story
driving of it all, like the character, the the the
extremes to which he goes like, it's just it's so effective.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Also, like how do you do that much exposition and
still just make it like hot?
Speaker 1 (42:17):
I know, I know it's so good.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
I get tim was probably so sad that it didn't
do well initially and it was considered the failure that
it wasn't because you could tell how deeply these actors
loved what they were doing, I hope, and you know,
you can kind of tell like how committed they were
and how in.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
It they were.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
They just you know, you just buy in so deeply
and like, I don't know, I just I just had
that thought.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
But I have to say, also, the reason why I
said that thing.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Earlier about the Glee numbers being better, I didn't mean better,
but I will say like Touch a Touch to Touch
Me was more effective on Glee than in this content
in Rocky Horror. Now They're obviously very different and they
were not the same, but like I preferred watching the
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Glee version of Touch a Touch It Touched Me because
it felt more I understood it more. Yeah, and it
was more exciting maybe the way Adam shot it, like
it was more exciting to me than like like like
you said, like you could do a lot with these numbers.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
They could be.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
A myriad of things, right, it could just live as
in its own song like Amber's version and Touch It
Touched Me.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
It was just like one of those that I was like.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Oh, I see now, I see now. And also the
time warp.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Though, oh my god, it's.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Very exciting to watch these numbers in this movie, very correct,
very exciting.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
In the science fiction double feature, whoever's idea that was
to do.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
The lips, Yeah, brilliant.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Just two good.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
I was wondering if the budget that we had in
Glee for that episode would have been bigger than the
entire budget of the.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Movie or the budget of this movie.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
You know, at one point six, but the right that
would have been worth about seven million dollars of the time,
so it was more.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yeah, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
So I mean that's not a tiny budget, No, not
at all, not at all. No, I think it just
maybe looks cheaper than the budget I think it was
supposed to. Though. Yes, I agree, like it's supposed to it.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
You gotta be that cast.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Do what they did. Yeah, but I also think when
you're trying to match them, like they're trying to make
an ode to a certain style of film, It's like
that takes money an effort to like do the thing
you're trying to.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
I mean, the b horror films of the fifties they
look like that, and so to create that in the
seventies to be an ode to that, you have to.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Go back a little.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yeah, it probably looks so jarring compared to it. Like,
let's like watch Dog Day Afternoon and see what that
looks like comparatively. Yeah, you've been to the midnight screening
(45:48):
when you were in college. Have you ever gone again
and like dressed up and done the thing?
Speaker 3 (45:53):
No again, you know me in Halloween before I kids,
not my thing, Like I I think i'd enjoy it
if I went like, but it's like clicking play for me,
like I, yeah, you have to get me there, and
then I know I would enjoy it, but like it
wasn't I would have fun like doing it now though,
(46:15):
with a bunch of friends going together, like again the
community aspect of it of like this is a group
effort and we're all gonna do this and make fun
of ourselves and like, joy that we could do it.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
You've never done it ever.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
No, I got invited to one last week. Actually, oh
my gosh, I was out of town. I couldn't go.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
So cool, so cool. This would be like a Chris
Cole for a birthday party to me, you know, yes,
maybe we should pick that to him, Yeah we should, like, hey,
chrispher your birthday us. Also the table after dinner when
he pulls the tablecloth off and the body is there,
(46:56):
like that is like the quintessential you know moments where
you're like, oh, right, this is a satire, like playing
on those horror films, so you have a deaf poty
underneath and everybody screaming at the top of their lungs
like it's so good.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
It was so good. Also, I am upset that I
didn't get to have the fishnets and heels beneath the blanket.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Excuse me? Yeah, where was that moment for you?
Speaker 2 (47:23):
I don't know, and I'm furious about it.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
I would be do.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
I remember somebody bringing it up at the time, like, oh,
are you gonna have that underneath? And I'm like, I
hope so, but nope, nope, didn't happen. I also think
this was the first It was the perfect thing for
Glee to do as a sort of like first tribute
to a show.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
I remember them playing with like what musicals are we
going to do on the show, and like tribute to
these musicals, and like obviously Greece was in everybody's minds,
and like I know they had talked about Spring Awakening
obviously because but they're like it's almost a little too
meadow with all of us, and so especially with Leah,
like and so I think I agree. I think this
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was really just just very Glee of us to do something.
I mean kind of be on the line, right, we've
passed the line now, but raising that bar of like
yes we are going to do this, and like Cord
and the gold Pants and like all of it.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
It just I well, it's also representing the unrepresented, like yes.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Rocky, and then also having like Finn walked down the
hallway like it.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
Just I don't know, like without his clothes. It's just
really I don't know, it just worked for the story
of Lee.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
So I would also like to give Corey props because
watching I don't think I even realized at the time
of what a great like ode he was doing to
to Bury to Bury Yeah, like phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
Yeah, both of them, really really good, what a fun time.
Still naming Rocky Horror, like when we were doing over
at the Frankenstein Place, I remember shooting that day and
like were you there, Yes, Nightmare just like popping out
of those cardboard cut outs like all day with that
fog on the stage was like, oh, we had so
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much fun. Though we had so much fun.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
I really did.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Time warp was hard. Time warp was really really hard.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
But Shankman attested to Shankman, Shankman allows you to feel
free into play in like a controlled way, which is
what Rocky Horror calls for even in those little moments,
and he really just as I think some consciously like
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made that happen just because of how he is on set.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Yep, I think we should play some performances.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Kevin, Okay, I mean there's a lots of great.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
A science fiction double feature A Dammage, Janet A plus
Over the Rainstone Place as Time Warp A plus A
plus A plus plus Democles B plus B plus I
Can Make You a Man A A Whatever Happened to
Saturday Night A plus plus I Can make You a
(50:22):
Man Reprise Sure A Touch Touch Touch.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
Me B plus Yeah, B plus I Agree.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
Eddie B plus B plus Why's Up?
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Janet?
Speaker 3 (50:33):
Weis A Yeah, Planet Dog B plus Rose Tint My World,
My God B plus Yeah. Fan Pair, Don't Dream It
be It.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
A yeah. I think all these things at the end,
like wild Untamed Thing A yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
It kind of got a little although there's something about
the fanfare and the wild and untamed thing like I'm
going Home that felt like we transferred into the play,
like the stage play more.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Yeah, you know, like did you like that or did
you not like that?
Speaker 1 (51:20):
I did?
Speaker 3 (51:21):
I think after playing in the house in the World
and then going to this other like location felt like,
all right, I'm boden now, so I'll I'm into it.
If I had watched that from the beginning, like why
wouldn't we just be watching a stage play?
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Right? I loved it. I loved it the whole ending sequence.
Yeah yeah. And also you know, now knowing the the
legacy of the movie and how that is always mimicked,
and you know these midnight screenings like that's what's happening
(51:59):
is end section. Yes, yes, And it made me really
want to see a stage production of this, yes, yes.
And it made it made me think of Chicago.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Right right right, Oh my god. I didn't even think.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
About that, and I just thought it worked well. It
worked really well. It's for something that I think for
a satire to really work, it has to be really
really smart. Yeah, and I think this show and movie
are just really really smart. And like you're watching the
(52:33):
performance of this whole movie and then your actual then
you're watching a literal performance at the end of it,
Like the whole thing just makes sense. Anyway, love it.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
Give me the stage play and yeah, I mean while
on tame thing, I'm going home, I think it'd give
it all.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
A yeah, a plus like what.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
I mean, him in that float in the pool, just
like I don't know, it was just everything I was
like I could watch this for days.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
I could watch him Curry and anything.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
But you know what I also love is everybody so
comfortable in their bodies, Like even Barry when he's like
cooking up with Tim Curry. Yeah, like everybody not to
be like, oh straight, guy did a gnything? Not even
that mean the movement of everybody in this movie, Yes,
(53:25):
everybody's so common, like.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Like Rod and Janet are also just like in their
underwear the whole time, and like you know, imagine like
just feeling like, oh where are my clothes and they're
just like they're in their underwear and You're like, oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
Yeah they're fine with it because I need to be
uncomfortable if they were uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, okay, let's do some tidy takes.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
Oucheez. I mean, I mean this.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Probably riddled with it. There's absolutely terminology issues.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
Yeah, like the transsexual terminology just doesn't.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Yeah, obviously there's like oh the consent and yeah exactly
with franken Furter ending up in the bed.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
But yeah, there's a lot of like of that undercurrent
of that throughout the film that I'm like, I don't
know about that dance move time Warp man, Yeah, time
warp totally.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
I love how time Warp was shot. By the way,
this is something that I want to see in more
musical movies. There's a certain type of shot and time
warp that is actually happens in a couple numbers. It
feels like it's an observer, like there's stuff in the
foreground a bit blocking it where almost feels like a
hidden camera.
Speaker 3 (54:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Yeah, and it really made me feel like we were
you're in there. It was like we're catching something we're
not supposed to, like this private experience I see, I see,
And it made it really enjoyable to watch. And I
don't think we get that. Pov enough agreed.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
That's a good point, good pitch. Good catch the song Transvestite, Yeah, prop,
Kevin Prop.
Speaker 2 (55:04):
Oh my god, shout out to the rainbow tinted water
like aquarium. That weird that Rocky is okay born out
of that's the Queen kay Roy.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
Yeah, I will say Eddie's motorcycle is a good one.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
The newspaper umbrella, Oh the beautiful.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
I really loved that.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
Yeah, that's pretty iconic.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
Best line, Oh god, this is it's kind of like
your fault into the Woods, the Rocky Janet.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
Yes, doctor, you just.
Speaker 3 (55:45):
Got like that whole Brad. That segment is like one
of my favorite parts of the whole movie. I look
forward to it.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
Yeah, I think I would say that. Okay, I think
that's just stupid good performance, MVP Jenna.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
Jim Curry.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
Yeah, he's undefeated, truly, Like I mean, everybody really but
but this is he is everybody was absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
We left to do TikTok.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
Okay, you ready, this is one of my maybe my
favorite one we've done thus far. So it's two minutes
and four seconds. Santana GCV iris on TikTok did one
second from every Glee episode and managed to find the
(56:40):
most unhinged moments of every single episode. I'm in it
a lot, like a lot like you, and it's a
lot of naya. It's mostly naya. I just think it's
so good. Excuse my language, but I think it's brilliant.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
Well, thank you Santana and GCV for making.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
Yes the way you managed to find the most chaotic,
singular second from each forty minute masterpiece.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
Really good?
Speaker 3 (57:10):
Oh god, Okay, So next, in honor of us recently
watching Hairspray, we're going to be talking to the original
Tracy term Blood on Broadway, Miss Marissa Jarrett Winooker.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
Yes, I need the stories. We need to know how
it happened. It's a perfect musical and I need to
know how it happened.
Speaker 1 (57:28):
The Genesis.
Speaker 2 (57:29):
Yes, the Genesis.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
And I'm like, mister Shue, We're going to give you
a heads up for the assignment next week instead of
the morning of.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
So we're going to be.
Speaker 1 (57:39):
Watching what are we watching, Kevin?
Speaker 2 (57:41):
Okay, Jenna? Next we're watching Nashville, the pilot of the
TV show Nashville that ran for six seasons. I've never
seen it.
Speaker 3 (57:52):
Can I wait till we go back and watch that again.
I watched a lot of it. We'll get into it.
Go watch Netflix, or go watch Netflix. Go watch Nashville
on Netflix, and then come back next week.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
I'm nervous. I'm really nervous.
Speaker 1 (58:05):
No, you shouldn't be at all. You're gonna love it.
Speaker 2 (58:07):
I shouldn't be.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
No, I think so. I don't know. I don't know.
You could go either way. It really could go either way.
Speaker 3 (58:13):
I'm not even gonna tell you what I thought about it,
because I I know.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Don't tell me anything. Let's just only talk about it
next week.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
I feel I not speak of it.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
It has a number of things working against it for me,
which is why I think I didn't watch it right
right being on a musical country music, being about the
music business. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (58:30):
I know.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
I love Connie Britton, So stay tuned. That's what you
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And that's what you really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Welcome to you, and that's what you're really miss podcast.
I feel like we should open this with like big
red lipts.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Just imagine everything we're saying.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Just a silhouette, big red lips for like a cutout. Yeah, okay, Hello, have.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Rockey Chai characters, Brad so good, it's so good.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Welcome to the Rocky Horror Picture Show. Today we're gon
we're gonna talk about Rocky Horror Picture Show. It's been
fifty fifty years.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
That's gonna be us ly well.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Also behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Today, the day we're recording this.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Happy anniversary, Kevin.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Happy anniversary, Jenna.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Twenty years. Has it been five hundred fifteen years? This
is our fifteen year anniversary, friend rosary?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Is it fifteen?
Speaker 3 (01:07):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Seventeen years? Jenna? Oh when you look better than ever,
you bitch?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Oh my gosh, yeah, I okay, wow, seventeen Happy anniversary.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You're stuck with me.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I think they say, like after a certain amount of years,
have you've been friends that you'll be friends forever?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Like if you've been friends for a certain amount of time.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Oh well, whatever, that is, we're beyond that.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
No, we double that.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I'm like a growth. You know, I'm not going anywhere. Assist, Yeah,
you can't get me removed. Even when you push it out,
it still comes. Push it out.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
No, you know, like assist when you like are a blackhead,
Like when you when you use it and it comes.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yes, you're like what, yeah, it's me.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Well, happy anniversary, Happy anniversary. Here we are recording the
podcast on the Sday, talking about a movie, a musical
movie that we also did on the show.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I find it really I find rocky Horror.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
So so interesting. There are times where I like, it's
like I have a love hate with it. Do you
feel like you have a love or a hate for it.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
Or in between?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I don't have a hate for it, Okay, got it.
I I think it's like to love. I don't know
if I love it, but I really do like it.
I really am Watching it again made me like it
even more. And I really love the Glee episode. I
(02:53):
genuinely yes, I think it's now becoming like yes topic
two favorite episodes of Glee. D Oh my god, because
I just think it's so well done.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Well, there's that Adam Shankman watching this movie again.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I think this movie's really special. Obviously, we're going to
talk about a lot about, you know, the life that
Rocky Horror has had fifty years on now where you know,
it bombed when it came out, had.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Terrible review reviews, not do well.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And I just kept thinking about when you're doing a
movie like this. Obviously a lot of these people started
so this this was an original. It was a stage
show down in London, YEPI and they, you know, made
it a movie. But I just kept thinking of the
level of commitment. So when you get hired to do
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something right and you don't know if it's going to
be successful, you don't know if it's even good a
lot of the time, and when you're doing a project
like this that is so crazy. Yeah, the fact that
everybody is so good and so committed, Yes, regardless of
this insane ass story.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, I mean what story?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
You know, Jenny, how do you feel about this movie?
Speaker 1 (04:24):
You know, I have found love for it. I have
found love for it and Glee.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Let me just give you a little backstory here. So
I didn't really know a Rocky Horror picture show. I
knew about it. I'd heard about it, of course you're
in a musical theater world. You know about it, right,
But like I had never seen it until college. My
college orientation when I moved to New York City, one
of the first events of orientation week was that they
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we go to see a midnight showing a rocky horror
picture show. Oh and so that was like my welcome
to musical theater, New York City life, this is your
life now. And I thoroughly enjoyed the performance art of
like people dressing up like some of our older classmates,
upper classmates, they did the performance right, they dressed up.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
They like we had people in the janet with.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
The newspaper that we were yelling. People were in the
audience were dressed up. Who knew about that? I did
not know, And so that was like a really immersive,
exciting experience for me. I think without that, sitting and
watching the movie itself is not something that I would
put on my rotation list. It's something that I can
(05:43):
definitely appreciate. Like you said, the commitment of these performers,
like Tim Cured. This was his film debut, Kevin like
for him to be I mean, this role.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Is like so iconic, and.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I just like I appreciate the art And I did
some research last night while I.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Was watching, because I was like, what was like how
did this come to be?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
And I believe like Richard O'Brien wrote the screenplay, but
didn't he wasn't he a part of the.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Play as well?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yes, he wrote the musical stage production of the music,
the book and the lyrics.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, And I remember him saying like he he.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Wrote this not for like everybody to enjoy, Like he's like,
not everybody's going to get this, not everybody is like,
but this is for us, like yeah, And it's his
love of B horror films and the camp and satired
of it all. Like without knowing all of that, I
don't think I would have had as much of a
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deep appreciation for what they created, and probably why initially
it didn't do so well, because it's just like everything
under the kitchen sink and you're like, what is but
understanding the inspiration and the inception and the commitment of
these performers and like then how it grew like I
(07:10):
get it again, Like none of the songs to me,
except a few of them are like, oh, I'd listened
to that on its own.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Also but I also.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Appreciate, like culturally what it was doing at that time,
and it was so controversial, but it is in the
best way, such a gay film that I love, like
I and what they did, Like, I was like, I
can't imagine that coming out in theater at that time
and people being like, you should go see this film,
(07:41):
you know, So I all of it, I think is
like deep appreciation for it, but again like not always
my cup of tea. Like and then watching this last night,
I was like, oh, I like this Lee version better,
you know, Like I like this is one of those
(08:02):
where I'm like, oh, yeah, we could potentially could have
could say that this version is preferred.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Well.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I think that's what's interesting about this is that you're
you're saying like you wouldn't necessarily listen to any of
these songs on their own because they work so well
in context. They're not nobody's a vocalist, right really performance, Yeah,
but it all works so well within the movie, and
I'm sure within the stage show it all works so
so well where it's there's an opportunity there. And I
(08:34):
wouldn't say the Glease step is better. I wouldn't go
as far to say that. I just think it's different.
It's the glee step is more like polished.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah maybe I just I prefer that. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
I think it's probably easier to listen to. Yeah, it's
more digestible because yeah, it's just like a cleaner, a
tighter version of it. But what I do love is
it's sort of like a blank canvas in a way
where because you can't redo what was done in the
(09:06):
movie because it is again singular. Yes, they're so specific
to those actors playing those parts, where like you don't
want to touch it because it's perfect totally. And so
like Amber's version of Sweet Transvestite is Amber's version of
it is Amber's version of it, and I think it's incredible.
I think it's unbelievable. And I don't know if I
would have the appreciation for Rocky Horror the original if
(09:31):
I didn't know those versions of the songs, because I'm like, oh,
I see what they pulled out of this. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Like Tim Curry's unbelievable doing Sweet Transvestite. But like you
give Amber that and you hear that version and it's like, oh,
these songs are written incredibly well and have so much potential.
(09:53):
They could be remade in any number of ways. Sure,
not that they need to be.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
But I'm also appreciative that, like you know, this movie
is argue I saw and I read, like are you
really one of the best musical movies of all time?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
It has done so well.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I it's not mine, but like I get it.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I love that it's an ode to like sci fi
horror movieses. They even use some of like real Frankenstein
props in the movie. It's so beyond like meta reference
on reference on reference on reference, but at the same
time still its own thing. And I like that, like
you were saying about the writer, like he wrote it
as a fan of like sci fi horror movies and
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musicals and made it exactly what he would just want
to see for fun as a fan of the genre.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
And also just bringing Rocky Horror like likely did for
so many other artists and songs that were past those
generations of our viewers, like bringing Rocky Horror into the
homes of these younger generations, Like I don't know that
they knew what Rocky Horror was, Like they're not You're
not doing Rocky Horror in your elementary or middle school.
(11:08):
You're doing Annie, you know you're doing I don't know
lame is even.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
This is the after dark version.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah yeah, and so to bring that also is like
was exciting, even though I can't imagine Stainless doing like
that would have been a totally different one too. I
would have loved to see him do that too, like
watching him as the MC and Cabaret. But like also
it's just like it would have been different than numbers, which.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
The thing is, I feel like with this show, anybody
can play any part. Yes, yes, and how often can
you say that?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
No?
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Totally, And I think it would work no matter what
I was.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Thinking about, like casting it now, like who if we did?
Like if you did it now, who would you pass?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I also think it's interesting that it hasn't been redone,
and I think that's probably better. Yes, like don't touch
who would you?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I have?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
I have no idea. Yeah, you also have to rework
some things. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
I was thinking about like play against it, like either
I was like, oh, Ariana Grande, did you see it Janet?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
But also like have Lady Gaga play Janet?
Speaker 3 (12:15):
You know, like something like yeah, I like play against
all of it because you can, you know, so I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
That's a tough one, but let us know who you.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
I know, Lady Gaga as Frank and Fred would be
also yes, really like sort of obvious, but like I
kind of want to see it.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
No, I know that's I was like, oh maybe, I
I know.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
No, you're right, you know you're right, but I I just.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
H yeah, man, I know. So let's go back a
little little bit.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Let's talk about some of this fun stuff and then
we can get into more of the nitty gritty of
like the actual music.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I would also like to amend my previous statement saying
nobody was a vocalist. Meet Loaf. Meat Loaf sang his
face off, came in there, showed up, cameo, belted sound,
said the bitches can't handle this, and then was gone.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, literally just gone.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
And that's like one of the things like when you
have like a real vocalist on some of these songs,
you really see how well written the music is.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Sorry, Okay, so where are we in the world? Jenna?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
All right, So number one song is I'm Sorry by
John Denver. I never heard of it, and the number
one movie was Dog Day Afternoon. This was released the
week prior to I Racky horror and Dog Day Afternoon
tells this true story of Sonny Morzik and it was
(14:00):
played by al Pacino. I didn't see it, but obviously.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Wait wait this movie. Yeah, true story of Sonny Wartzik,
who attempts to rob a Brooklyn bank to pay for
his partner's gender affirming surgery. Oh well, begins as a
simple heights quickly spirals into a tense hashes standoff in
media circus, exposing desperation, love, and the chaos of urban life.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
I think I got to watch this this same what
is what? How interesting? In the time?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yes, in that time those both those movies were released.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, so some other things going on. Elton John was
dominating the charts, which love makes me jealous that I
wasn't around.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
During this time.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Someone saved my life. Tonight was weeks away from coming out.
Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3 (14:50):
Oh my gosh, Disco was on the rise. Casey and
the Sunshine Mans, That's the way I like it would
hit later that fall.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Jaws, released earlier in the summer, was still smashing records
as the very first true summer block bus.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Oh my god, Jaws, and they also say like I
think they did like another poster with just the lips
and kind of like an ode to the shark OUs.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
In one of the like their marketing.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, shows like All in the Family, Jefferson's the very
first season is Saturday Night Live.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Well? I guess they just did their fiftieth anniversary so
if that makes sense premiere in October nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
They were favorites at that time.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Jenna, Oh my god, Studio fifty four was about to open.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
CBGB was becoming legendary with bands like The Ramons and
Patty Smith. It was like New York was going through
a cultural renaissance.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Damn one last thing.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Celebrity culture was also shifting, so Pacino de Niro, Jack Nicholson,
they were all defining the New Hollywood era coming up
and they're still Yeah, they are still killing it.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I mean, because disco was on the rise. Fashion it was,
you know, spell bottoms and wide collars and polyester and
earthy tones, very like we're out of the sixties, post hippie,
We're going disco. Give us the light up. Floors.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Wow did that too?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
So yeah, faver so a little maintenance here, a little
business work.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
So.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Rocky Horror was directed by Jim Sharmon, who also co
wrote the screenplay with Richard O'Brien, who, like we said,
originally wrote the nineteen seventy three stage musical, the book
and the lyrics everything. It was choreographed by Dave Tolgury,
with Jill and Gregory credited as assistant choreographer.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
And this was, like we said, based on the nineteen
seventy three musical stage production of Rocky Horror Show, the music,
book and lyrics by Richar O'Brien, and this stacked cast,
which is funny because Tim Curry this was his film debut.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
We'll never get over it.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Never get over it.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Uh, Susans Randon, Barry Bostwick, Richard O'Brien, Patricia Quinn Well now,
Jonathan Adams, Meat Loaf, Peter Heinwood. I mean it goes on,
It really goes on. Oh God, these songs just give
me a highlights, Kevin, give me okay, I mean.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Like every song is a highlight. Okay, science fiction double feature,
damn it. Janet over at the Frankingstein Place Time, Warp,
Sweet Transvestite, Hoppetuity, touch a Touch, Touched Me, Touch Me.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Wow we did a lot of these? Is that crazy?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Yeah? We really did. And watching this too, I was like, oh, like,
costumes really did it. Costumes really got it.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
And the costume designer did very little research, like into
the B horror genre and really just went straight into
rocky horror, which it worked.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
It just it all worked.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
So the costume designer, Sue Blaine, like you said, did
no research and didn't want to do the movie, but
she knew Tim Curry, and once she found out Tim
Curry was going to do it, she said yes and
came on and obviously just smashed it. Some of the
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costumes are from the stage production, but some of them
are new and it was more costly because I had
to make doubles of things, so, you know, like they
So they originally did this at a theater I've been
to and seen shows at in London. It's like the upstairs,
like smaller theater of the Stone Square. I can't imagine.
(18:49):
I want to see a production of this so badly.
Why don't they do that on Broadway? Off Broadway? Don't
you think that would work?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Off Broadway would be fun.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Like I feel like people know it, it's it's proven, ip.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I know, I just I think there's something about No.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
But I think there's something about the way that it
landed culturally and why it was so successful. Was that
interactive vibe with the actual movie and the original, Like
the original is so iconic and such a touch.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
Point in history, like in like cultural history.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
That like to redo it without that like takes away
from the phenomenon of what made it so popular after
it wasn't successful to begin with.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
So like I don't.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Know, I actually don't know, though I wouldn't be surprised,
but you like, it's really one of those that's so
unique and so specific that like you have to do it,
you have to it has to be an absolute slam
dunk or like please don't touch it because it could
go so terribly wrong.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
What if you did it as an interactive thing like
sleep No more, so you have more bounces to like
crazy and yeah, that's interactive.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
That's cool, that's cool.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
I think like with the interactive it died during the pandemic,
like that whole vibe.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Are they doing one with Phantom right now?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I don't know, but you need to bring it back.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
That could be fun, Like I feel like Rocky Horror
would really work with that. I know, oh Rocket Sorry.
Tim Curry also originally in the stage production, did like
a German accent, and then he heard a woman talking
on the train or something like that and combined that
with like how the Queen spoke. Yes, I don't know
(20:43):
some of those more intimate scenes. The way he says
some of those words, it's very Queen Elizabeth.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yes, yes, I didn't even Oh my gosh, that makes
so much sense. Okay. We also did the great Rocky
Horror crossover.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
We did a tribute episode in season two and that
was like, what a fun time again, one of Kevin's
favorite episodes.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Can I also point out, I know we recently talked
about Hairspray and Shankman, but something that he did with us,
and I think we talked about it in our review
of the Rocky or Show, is how he was actually
in the recording studio with us. Yes, and having watched
Hairspray again, it made so much sense of why he
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works like that because in Hairspray, yes, everybody pre recorded
in a recording studio. It sounded great However, everything was
marked perfectly to reflect the movement they were doing in
the scenes and the emotion they were doing in the scenes,
so not everything was necessarily like a perfectly sung big note.
There were some like talking interactions. There were some things
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that were like said under the breath, and when he
got into the studio with us, we were also doing
that because he knew exactly what everyone was going to
be doing in.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
The scenes, which I so appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah, and it's the only time we ever had that.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Barry Boswick, the original Brad and meat Loaf, who played Eddie,
were also in the Glee episode So Cool, So Cool.
All right, here's some fun facts about Rocky Horror. Yeah,
the film was shot in the UK, like you said,
Bryce Studios and on location at Oakley Court, a country
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house best known for its earlier use by Hammer Film Productions,
and a number of props and set.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Pieces were reused from the Hammer Horror films.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
So Cool, So Cool, So Subling, the costume designer, in
addition to not doing any research, claimed to her creations
for the film directly affected the development of punk rock
fashion trends. So's the torn fishnet stockings and colorfully dyed hair.
She thinks we're attributed to her designs in the movie.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
This Midnight Movie Madness began actually at the Weavery Theater
in New York City in nineteen seventy six, and then
they kept coming back, right, Audience numbers returned frequently and
talk back to the screen and dressing as the character,
spawning performance groups across the US.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
And like this wasn't this also when the whole thing
was created about like the fans would perform alongside the
film and have like a shadow cast like on stage
or like below the Yes, exactly, yes, I just it's
so special that that happened, and I fifty years later,
(23:32):
it's still happening, right, I mean so much so. It's
the longest running theatrical release of a film and film history,
Like that's nuts.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
It has a really large international cult following as well. Yeah,
like I said, it's considered one of the greatest musical
films of all time.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
And I think it's obvious why, like you know, it
has been such it has such a wide and lasting
LGBT fan base. I mean a movie coming out at
any time with this sort of like storyline and characters
that are playing with sexuality, sexual identity, gender identity the
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entire time. Yeah, pretty revolutionary. And also there's not a
lot of especially in the seventies, not a lot of
media where people could see themselves or people similar to
themselves on film. And it's so camp and joyous and
over the top that it's such an unabashed like celebration
of queerness. Yeah, that it makes I mean, it's obvious
(24:38):
of why this, you know, has had that lasting impact
on the queer community.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yeah, so they actually the spin night screenings actually became
a haven for LGBTQ audiences, and many queer fans found
affirmation community in a space to explore identity through the film,
celebration of fluidity and gender nonconformity, and of course that
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there's a lot of controversy surrounding this well, shocking, shocking, shocking.
The critics dismissed it as perverse or dangerous because like
this is nineteen seventy five. You know, this is all
very groundbreaking at the time, and.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
The you know, it's seen as indecent. But I beg
to differ.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I mean, you know, America has always been pretty puritanical.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
A lot of the critics hated it starting out, Like
we said, they called it tasteless, vulgar, nonsensical, and gained
its legendary status their midnight screenings and fan culture through
the people, because I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
The people are kind of important.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Of course. Also this comes along with censorship and over
the years, like schools, TV networks, and theaters so sometimes
sensored the movie or banned it due to the sexual
content and themes, which you know was sort of addressed
in the Glee episode. And also I obviously did not
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even realize at the time how amazing it was. We
were even doing it on a prime time network TV
show in America on Fox.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, it's true. It's really pretty amazing. Yes.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
I mean, do you remember I completely forgot I had
never seen Rocky Horror.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
You had never seen it.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
I had never seen it. And we were living together
and you're like, yeah, it's fine. You're like, no, it's fun.
Like you were, you know, you were a little warm
about it, and we sat down and we watched it,
Like I remember sitting down in our living room watching
it together.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
We did. Yes.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I was so resistant to it. I did not want
to watch it. I was like, I just it's one
of those things. Don't hate me for saying this. I'm
going to be honest, Tier safe Space. It's sort of
how I feel sometimes about David Bowie's music, or like
classic rock music, where in theory there's something about it,
like the sound that makes me uncomfortable and I don't
want to listen to it, But then when I do
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listen to it, or when I did eventually watch Rocky Horror,
I really really enjoy it. It's more of like the
thought of it that turns me off as opposed to
the actually actual thing.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Yes, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. No, I totally I
feel the same way. And I think when I first
watched Rocky Horror, I'm like, getting me to actually press
play on some of these things is really difficult. But
I didn't even have that with like Hairspray a little bit.
I was like, oh, it's not my favorite, and then
like you play it and you're like, oh my god,
I love this.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
There's just some things that I feel like kind of
a verse stupid. I'm proven wrong often, Kevin. There's because
it's a fiftieth anniversary, which is so major. There's a
fiftieth anniversary documentary out in theaters right now called The
(28:15):
Strange called Strange Journey The Story of Rocky Horror.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
And I'm unfortunately but you know, the time that we're
recording this is not out yet, and I know I
can't wait to watch that. Oh, watch the movie and
then you're going to have all these questions. Yeah, I
just feel like it's a miracle anytime get anything gets
funded and gets made and something that is sort of
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revolutionary like this, How that could even happen in the
first place, and how it's had legs and what that
legacy means to people is I just think so interesting
and I can't wait to watch it. I mean, so
many people from the movie are in it as well,
Rachel Brian, Tim Curry, Since Sarrandon, Barry Boswick, and then
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also you know, Trixie Mattel and Jack Black. Now Jack
Black would be an incredible Eddie.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yes, I also need I need to hear from this
original guest. Yes, I need to hear.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I need to know you know, well, like we also know,
like we've had little bits over the years, Like I
know Tim Curry has said, like when the movie came
out and it was critically panned and it didn't do well.
That really affected him, especially it was his first film role.
And you know, in hindsight, it's great to like Rocky
Horror we know now is like iconic and revolutionary, but
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at the time when you're a part of something that
is seemingly a failure, like, how do you get past that?
Because it's you can't see into the future. You don't
know that it's going to be looked back and adored,
right fifty years on.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Right, fifty years later, there'll be documentaries on it, right,
you know, still one of the longest running you know films.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah, So this movie is it looks into the origin
and of the.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Biggest cult film of all time and its impact on
popular culture and socio political resonance to this day fifty
years later.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
What's also amazing is that the movie like takes the
you know, the fringe theater aspect of London and like
traces like you said, this whole journey and you know,
now having done some fringe theater in London, Jenna, I
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think this echoes the sentiment of London has always been
a place that has been really welcoming to different types
of stories in theater and there's I think there's more
opportunity for it there. People are more willing to go
in and see strange camps whatever it may be. Sometimes
(30:54):
it works, sometimes it doesn't. But the theater scene there
is ripe with openness still to this day, I think
in a way that America possibly is not totally And
I love that this is where this came from. And
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I think that also, you know, we talked about everyone's
commitment level, and you can speak to this more than
I can. About when you have done all the steps
to get something on a stage in front of people,
you have lived in that and we talked about it
with hairspray, where these things are tested in different ways,
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and especially if you have the same actors that are
playing the characters in a movie that did it on stage,
where you know these characters so insanely well, yeah, and
you've had the fun to play with it, and then
like you're comfortable to still then play that on film
presumably right, Like the kookiness of it, like when you're
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watching something people may not be necessarily realizing they're watching
somebody you like, put something on that doesn't feel as
organic and natural right right, where in a show like this,
it would be really easy to do because it feels
like that's what you're supposed to do. But all these
characters feel very like real in some way. It feels
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like it's a Yes, it's a satire, it's a parody,
it's an ode to a genre, but nobody is playing
a parody.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
It's like it's like they're playing into this world right
and and just really leaning almost too far in. But
it works for this because it's the satire at all, right,
where it's so it's so big that it's believable.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Like there's like there's just like.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
A believability, a willingness to lean into like the dramatic
of it.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Like I think.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I think that's why it works so well, is like
these people do still seem human even though they're turning
into stone, like you know what I mean, Like they
still feel human. And I think Brad and Janet are
the way into that, right. They are the ones who
come in from outside into this weird world and are
like come into our world.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
And Brad and Janet buy into.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
It so quickly that like you're like, okay, I'm it right,
Like right, there's there's the entry point.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
Yeah, And then and.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Then you're just like this kind of weird but like
not really like they're not they're not breaking that wall
of like what is going on. They're just kind of like, oh,
we were lost and now we're in this weird home, you.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Know, which is also why like the sci fi and
horror stuff that happens like murder, yes, and you have
like a Frankenstein's monster yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
Eating the eating Eddie and you know, and if we're.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Going back to our planet and it's like none of
that is questioned, like I bought all of it just
because everything is done so unapologetically. Yeah, like it's done
also brazenly that I'm like, I just like, yes, of
course that's what this is.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
And I think there's like a part of it because
of it, like the be horror of it, like and
the inspiration, Like those P horror films are kind of
at that level of extreme and dramatics that it's not
completely unfamiliar, right, it's just elevated in rocky horror so
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and with music, right, full musical, which was even better,
and I don't know, the music draws you in so
much more than I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
These P horror films are just.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Not my thing, and I again appreciate it the art
of it, but it's not my thing, and so the
music was my way into this to this piece greatly.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I think if the music had not been so the
music is expertly yes written, and is of the time,
Like they're just really good, like seventies rock songs, inaccessible,
whereas I think they're not polarizing. No, they're in their sound.
I think the horror movies and like sci fi horror
(35:14):
movies are pretty polarizing our specific taste. Yea, You and
I would not normally even a parody of it, yea, Right,
Like they wouldn't even normally be into it. Right.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
That's a good point. No, that's a really good point.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
I'm curious, like what you think, Like, obviously a lot
of these themes and these ideas in this like political
social state of the world, like this still rings and
resonates with people. What do you think, like if this
were to premiere in twenty twenty five, like.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
What what.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
How would people do this? I mean with a country
so divided? I don't I feel like this might be
the same would have been a similar experience for the film.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
I think so too. I think the only difference is
I think there would be a bigger public square for
people to appreciate it. We have more access to everybody,
and I feel like, as much as things feel like
they're going backwards for the queer community, there are still
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public platforms where queer voices are going to be heard,
regardless of you agree with them or not. So I
think if it were to come out today, there would
absolutely be backlash, would absolutely be critics being like this is.
But still I think on the flip side, there would
be more people who understand it publicly and speaking critically
(36:43):
of it and would be able to voice that, and
so I do think there would be more of a
way to champion it publicly because back then there wasn't
all this access, like everybody had an equal sort of
voice as you do now. Back then it was the
critics are very much just the critics, and that's who
we listened to. M m mmm. You didn't have ways
(37:08):
to hear opinions like that.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Right, exactly, right, Well, No, I think that's right. I
think that's right. I think I.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Think it would do really well with the people like
it did back in the day, Like the audiences, that's
what really the fans made this film what it is
right yes day. And I think there's like a sense
of community in it, right, like you know, including the
you know, the queer community, but also just in general
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bringing people together who don't feel like they fit in
in one box like this like idea of nonconformity and
like being able to like celebrate.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Who you are and be and really be who you
are in this society.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
It's like a place to come and I think like
coming together and singing songs together in a dark theater
and like and just enjoying who you are and embracing that,
Like I think is why it's lasted so long.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
It's just a release. It's not like anybody's showing up
being like, oh this story means so much to me, right,
like the narrative of this way right. No, it's the community.
It's being in community. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And that that
takes time, Yeah, like that is that is not something
that would happen on a release weekend like that does unfortunately,
(38:38):
just take time. And it's two years, fifty years, and
it's why this movie was made for like one point
six million and has made now I think over one
hundred and sixty five million worldwide. Speaking of that, this movie,
I know, I'm sure when it came out because everything
was shot on film, and like you know, people say
it looks like so low budget. I don't think it
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looks that low budget, No, because I think, one, you
have the advantage of everything on film looks a little
better because it's like grainy and you have that film equality.
But I also think like the genius of using like
one building the entire time, of having everything exists in
(39:22):
the same place. Yeah, it's like sort of how you
maximize a budget.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
And because it's like a surreal fantasy, right, you can
get away with things looking maybe cheap or unrealistic because
of it, right, And it's I think it's just shoped
really expertly, truly.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
I think back I would have liked to see this
back in the seventies.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
Like in the context of what was out at the time.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Yes, because then you can understand if it was style
it was stylistically designed in that way intentionally, or if
it was oh we have this much money, because like
it's pretty impressive what people can do is these days
on a low true, and not even with the technology.
(40:10):
I'm just saying in general, like I've seen very impressive
short films, independent films that don't have a huge budget
that are shot so beautifully in the story and everything
is just comes together. So I don't know, I think
I feel like this would have been polarizing in a
way because it's so it's so it's satire and so,
but I think it was intentional, Like that's my gut was, like,
(40:31):
it was intentional.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Well, you have to lean in. I you can't fight
the fact that you have a little budget, right exactly,
Like yeah, yeah, if they wanted it to be like
a really like a movie like Past Lives for example,
like you could do on a smaller budget because there's
less happening in every scene, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah,
(40:54):
it's sort of like a two hander and you have Yeah,
this isn't that, so you sort of have to lean
into whatever it is you're doing. We have a small
budget and we have this craziest thing we're doing. M
hmm yeah, yeah, no, totally totally. What is your favorite
musical number in this God? Probably sweet transistite.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Mm hmm, yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I love a good introduction to a character.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Well, a lot of these are that.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Oh yeah, but like what an introduction. Yeah, I of all,
and at this point in the movie, it's just like
banger after banger after bank. Yes, it's like all of
the most famous songs, just back to back.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
To over the frank simple, it's time words transvestite Like
it's no, I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
I agree with you. I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
I think set transvestate sticks out the most to me.
Uh performance, the song, the the number, like the story
driving of it all, like the character, the the the
extremes to which he goes like, it's just it's so effective.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Also, like how do you do that much exposition and
still just make it like hot?
Speaker 1 (42:17):
I know, I know it's so good.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
I get tim was probably so sad that it didn't
do well initially and it was considered the failure that
it wasn't because you could tell how deeply these actors
loved what they were doing, I hope, and you know,
you can kind of tell like how committed they were
and how in.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
It they were.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
They just you know, you just buy in so deeply
and like, I don't know, I just I just had
that thought.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
But I have to say, also, the reason why I
said that thing.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Earlier about the Glee numbers being better, I didn't mean better,
but I will say like Touch a Touch to Touch
Me was more effective on Glee than in this content
in Rocky Horror. Now They're obviously very different and they
were not the same, but like I preferred watching the
(43:19):
Glee version of Touch a Touch It Touched Me because
it felt more I understood it more. Yeah, and it
was more exciting maybe the way Adam shot it, like
it was more exciting to me than like like like
you said, like you could do a lot with these numbers.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
They could be.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
A myriad of things, right, it could just live as
in its own song like Amber's version and Touch It
Touched Me.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
It was just like one of those that I was like.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Oh, I see now, I see now. And also the
time warp.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Though, oh my god, it's.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Very exciting to watch these numbers in this movie, very correct,
very exciting.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
In the science fiction double feature, whoever's idea that was
to do.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
The lips, Yeah, brilliant.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Just two good.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
I was wondering if the budget that we had in
Glee for that episode would have been bigger than the
entire budget of the.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Movie or the budget of this movie.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
You know, at one point six, but the right that
would have been worth about seven million dollars of the time,
so it was more.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Yeah, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
So I mean that's not a tiny budget, No, not
at all, not at all. No, I think it just
maybe looks cheaper than the budget I think it was
supposed to. Though. Yes, I agree, like it's supposed to it.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
You gotta be that cast.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Do what they did. Yeah, but I also think when
you're trying to match them, like they're trying to make
an ode to a certain style of film, It's like
that takes money an effort to like do the thing
you're trying to.
Speaker 3 (45:13):
I mean, the b horror films of the fifties they
look like that, and so to create that in the
seventies to be an ode to that, you have to.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Go back a little.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yeah, it probably looks so jarring compared to it. Like,
let's like watch Dog Day Afternoon and see what that
looks like comparatively. Yeah, you've been to the midnight screening
(45:48):
when you were in college. Have you ever gone again
and like dressed up and done the thing?
Speaker 3 (45:53):
No again, you know me in Halloween before I kids,
not my thing, Like I I think i'd enjoy it
if I went like, but it's like clicking play for me,
like I, yeah, you have to get me there, and
then I know I would enjoy it, but like it
wasn't I would have fun like doing it now though,
(46:15):
with a bunch of friends going together, like again the
community aspect of it of like this is a group
effort and we're all gonna do this and make fun
of ourselves and like, joy that we could do it.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
You've never done it ever.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
No, I got invited to one last week. Actually, oh
my gosh, I was out of town. I couldn't go.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
So cool, so cool. This would be like a Chris
Cole for a birthday party to me, you know, yes,
maybe we should pick that to him, Yeah we should, like, hey,
chrispher your birthday us. Also the table after dinner when
he pulls the tablecloth off and the body is there,
(46:56):
like that is like the quintessential you know moments where
you're like, oh, right, this is a satire, like playing
on those horror films, so you have a deaf poty
underneath and everybody screaming at the top of their lungs
like it's so good.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
It was so good. Also, I am upset that I
didn't get to have the fishnets and heels beneath the blanket.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Excuse me? Yeah, where was that moment for you?
Speaker 2 (47:23):
I don't know, and I'm furious about it.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
I would be do.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
I remember somebody bringing it up at the time, like, oh,
are you gonna have that underneath? And I'm like, I
hope so, but nope, nope, didn't happen. I also think
this was the first It was the perfect thing for
Glee to do as a sort of like first tribute
to a show.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
I remember them playing with like what musicals are we
going to do on the show, and like tribute to
these musicals, and like obviously Greece was in everybody's minds,
and like I know they had talked about Spring Awakening
obviously because but they're like it's almost a little too
meadow with all of us, and so especially with Leah,
like and so I think I agree. I think this
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was really just just very Glee of us to do something.
I mean kind of be on the line, right, we've
passed the line now, but raising that bar of like
yes we are going to do this, and like Cord
and the gold Pants and like all of it.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
It just I well, it's also representing the unrepresented, like yes.
Speaker 3 (48:27):
Rocky, and then also having like Finn walked down the
hallway like it.
Speaker 1 (48:34):
Just I don't know, like without his clothes. It's just
really I don't know, it just worked for the story
of Lee.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
So I would also like to give Corey props because
watching I don't think I even realized at the time
of what a great like ode he was doing to
to Bury to Bury Yeah, like phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
Yeah, both of them, really really good, what a fun time.
Still naming Rocky Horror, like when we were doing over
at the Frankenstein Place, I remember shooting that day and
like were you there, Yes, Nightmare just like popping out
of those cardboard cut outs like all day with that
fog on the stage was like, oh, we had so
(49:26):
much fun. Though we had so much fun.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
I really did.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Time warp was hard. Time warp was really really hard.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
But Shankman attested to Shankman, Shankman allows you to feel
free into play in like a controlled way, which is
what Rocky Horror calls for even in those little moments,
and he really just as I think some consciously like
(49:51):
made that happen just because of how he is on set.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
Yep, I think we should play some performances.
Speaker 2 (49:57):
Kevin, Okay, I mean there's a lots of great.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
A science fiction double feature A Dammage, Janet A plus
Over the Rainstone Place as Time Warp A plus A
plus A plus plus Democles B plus B plus I
Can Make You a Man A A Whatever Happened to
Saturday Night A plus plus I Can make You a
(50:22):
Man Reprise Sure A Touch Touch Touch.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
Me B plus Yeah, B plus I Agree.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
Eddie B plus B plus Why's Up?
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Janet?
Speaker 3 (50:33):
Weis A Yeah, Planet Dog B plus Rose Tint My World,
My God B plus Yeah. Fan Pair, Don't Dream It
be It.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
A yeah. I think all these things at the end,
like wild Untamed Thing A yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
It kind of got a little although there's something about
the fanfare and the wild and untamed thing like I'm
going Home that felt like we transferred into the play,
like the stage play more.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Yeah, you know, like did you like that or did
you not like that?
Speaker 1 (51:20):
I did?
Speaker 3 (51:21):
I think after playing in the house in the World
and then going to this other like location felt like,
all right, I'm boden now, so I'll I'm into it.
If I had watched that from the beginning, like why
wouldn't we just be watching a stage play?
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Right? I loved it. I loved it the whole ending sequence.
Yeah yeah. And also you know, now knowing the the
legacy of the movie and how that is always mimicked,
and you know these midnight screenings like that's what's happening
(51:59):
is end section. Yes, yes, And it made me really
want to see a stage production of this, yes, yes.
And it made it made me think of Chicago.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Right right right, Oh my god. I didn't even think.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
About that, and I just thought it worked well. It
worked really well. It's for something that I think for
a satire to really work, it has to be really
really smart. Yeah, and I think this show and movie
are just really really smart. And like you're watching the
(52:33):
performance of this whole movie and then your actual then
you're watching a literal performance at the end of it,
Like the whole thing just makes sense. Anyway, love it.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
Give me the stage play and yeah, I mean while
on tame thing, I'm going home, I think it'd give
it all.
Speaker 2 (52:49):
A yeah, a plus like what.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
I mean, him in that float in the pool, just
like I don't know, it was just everything I was
like I could watch this for days.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
I could watch him Curry and anything.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
But you know what I also love is everybody so
comfortable in their bodies, Like even Barry when he's like
cooking up with Tim Curry. Yeah, like everybody not to
be like, oh straight, guy did a gnything? Not even
that mean the movement of everybody in this movie, Yes,
(53:25):
everybody's so common, like.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
Like Rod and Janet are also just like in their
underwear the whole time, and like you know, imagine like
just feeling like, oh where are my clothes and they're
just like they're in their underwear and You're like, oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (53:39):
Yeah they're fine with it because I need to be
uncomfortable if they were uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, okay, let's do some tidy takes.
Speaker 1 (53:48):
Oucheez. I mean, I mean this.
Speaker 2 (53:53):
Probably riddled with it. There's absolutely terminology issues.
Speaker 1 (53:57):
Yeah, like the transsexual terminology just doesn't.
Speaker 2 (54:00):
Yeah, obviously there's like oh the consent and yeah exactly
with franken Furter ending up in the bed.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
But yeah, there's a lot of like of that undercurrent
of that throughout the film that I'm like, I don't
know about that dance move time Warp man, Yeah, time
warp totally.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
I love how time Warp was shot. By the way,
this is something that I want to see in more
musical movies. There's a certain type of shot and time
warp that is actually happens in a couple numbers. It
feels like it's an observer, like there's stuff in the
foreground a bit blocking it where almost feels like a
hidden camera.
Speaker 3 (54:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Yeah, and it really made me feel like we were
you're in there. It was like we're catching something we're
not supposed to, like this private experience I see, I see,
And it made it really enjoyable to watch. And I
don't think we get that. Pov enough agreed.
Speaker 1 (54:55):
That's a good point, good pitch. Good catch the song Transvestite, Yeah, prop,
Kevin Prop.
Speaker 2 (55:04):
Oh my god, shout out to the rainbow tinted water
like aquarium. That weird that Rocky is okay born out
of that's the Queen kay Roy.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
Yeah, I will say Eddie's motorcycle is a good one.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
The newspaper umbrella, Oh the beautiful.
Speaker 2 (55:32):
I really loved that.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
Yeah, that's pretty iconic.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
Best line, Oh god, this is it's kind of like
your fault into the Woods, the Rocky Janet.
Speaker 1 (55:43):
Yes, doctor, you just.
Speaker 3 (55:45):
Got like that whole Brad. That segment is like one
of my favorite parts of the whole movie. I look
forward to it.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
Yeah, I think I would say that. Okay, I think
that's just stupid good performance, MVP Jenna.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
Jim Curry.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
Yeah, he's undefeated, truly, Like I mean, everybody really but
but this is he is everybody was absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
We left to do TikTok.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
Okay, you ready, this is one of my maybe my
favorite one we've done thus far. So it's two minutes
and four seconds. Santana GCV iris on TikTok did one
second from every Glee episode and managed to find the
(56:40):
most unhinged moments of every single episode. I'm in it
a lot, like a lot like you, and it's a
lot of naya. It's mostly naya. I just think it's
so good. Excuse my language, but I think it's brilliant.
Speaker 1 (57:00):
Well, thank you Santana and GCV for making.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
Yes the way you managed to find the most chaotic,
singular second from each forty minute masterpiece.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
Really good?
Speaker 3 (57:10):
Oh god, Okay, So next, in honor of us recently
watching Hairspray, we're going to be talking to the original
Tracy term Blood on Broadway, Miss Marissa Jarrett Winooker.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
Yes, I need the stories. We need to know how
it happened. It's a perfect musical and I need to
know how it happened.
Speaker 1 (57:28):
The Genesis.
Speaker 2 (57:29):
Yes, the Genesis.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
And I'm like, mister Shue, We're going to give you
a heads up for the assignment next week instead of
the morning of.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
So we're going to be.
Speaker 1 (57:39):
Watching what are we watching, Kevin?
Speaker 2 (57:41):
Okay, Jenna? Next we're watching Nashville, the pilot of the
TV show Nashville that ran for six seasons. I've never
seen it.
Speaker 3 (57:52):
Can I wait till we go back and watch that again.
I watched a lot of it. We'll get into it.
Go watch Netflix, or go watch Netflix. Go watch Nashville
on Netflix, and then come back next week.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
I'm nervous. I'm really nervous.
Speaker 1 (58:05):
No, you shouldn't be at all. You're gonna love it.
Speaker 2 (58:07):
I shouldn't be.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
No, I think so. I don't know. I don't know.
You could go either way. It really could go either way.
Speaker 3 (58:13):
I'm not even gonna tell you what I thought about it,
because I I know.
Speaker 2 (58:17):
Don't tell me anything. Let's just only talk about it
next week.
Speaker 1 (58:19):
I feel I not speak of it.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
It has a number of things working against it for me,
which is why I think I didn't watch it right
right being on a musical country music, being about the
music business. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (58:30):
I know.
Speaker 2 (58:31):
I love Connie Britton, So stay tuned. That's what you
really miss. Thanks for listening, and follow us on Instagram
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Jenna Ushkowitz
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