November 15, 2024 • 26 mins
William McKinley is feeling a lot like John Adams High, because it’s time for part 2 of this epic “Pod Swap!”
Jenna and Kevin wrap up their visit with Danielle Fishel, Will Friedle and Rider Strong from Boy Meets World, by getting to know their synergetic iHeart buddies on a more intimate level.
What started as an innocent card game is starting to uncover deep childhood issues, and we find out that one of our hosts might be…a werewolf?? Plus, Jenna reveals a HUGE secret crush she’s been hiding for decades!
Don’t miss Part 1 of this crossover event for the ages - available now on the Pod Meets World podcast feed…
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And That's what you Really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to you, and That's what you Really miss podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
This is a very exciting episode boy meets Glee. If
you will a Boy meets World a Glee crossover. You know,
get into it.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
They raised me, that show raised me. I'm saying, fan
growing so hard. So this is part two of our
super fun combo with Danielle Fischel, will Fredell and Ryder
Strong of Pod Meets World.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So head over to the Podmets World's feed to listen
to part one of our conversation so you can get
into it. Then come back here for this episode. You
want to listen to that first half, especially for some
of our new inside jokes with our new very very
best friends.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Oh we love them so much. We are playing a
fun card game called Talking Point, where Danielle picked a
few cards at random and then we answered the questions
very honestly, So you don't want to it's that therapy.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
What was something you believed as a child that makes
you laugh now?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Oh, no, hard one. That is a hard one. Something
I believed.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
I was very, very convinced that I was a were
wolf when I was seven to eight, and I enlisted
friends and we were all we you know. And I
think this was because of Michael Jackson's thriller combined with
Team Wolf, and I think I genuinely believed that I,
like how I was going to turn into a werewolf,
(01:35):
and I wrote, I have like stacks of like family
trees and tribal stuff that I was created. I like
had this whole system and belief system, and I wrapped
other kids into it. We started the wolfgang at school
and I was like really convinced.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, And I was like, I don't know how it was.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
I was repeating something I talked about on the podcast.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Now you thought you were aware wolf for several years,
all the first basically all the first grade, all the
first grade.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
I was real.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
And I think I just.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Wanted it to be true.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Then you just realized you were hairy and that was it.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
No, I just wanted it to be true. I just
wanted to It was like the superpowers you know that
I was hoping to get, was like that I would
try to do a were Wolf's.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Sold Kevin, do you have one?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Come back to me?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I got it, well, I thought I was going to
be a weather man. I was really convinced. But I
don't think that's crazy though, you know, I don't think
that's I used to film myself doing the weather and
was like, yes, I'm going to be a weather But
I realized I was actually just paranoid of tornadoes, and
so it was like my way of like controlling control,
(02:54):
like learning about the weather and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
But it's like, Will, I'm so afraid of flying. You
had to learn everything there is to know about planes
and flying.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Oh my god, can you talk to my boyfriend because
it's just getting worse for him.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Will has a Will has a really good handle on
it now, so is the perfect person to talk to you.
Speaker 7 (03:12):
I will be happy to there's ways you can you
can get through it.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah, fantastic, Absolutely, Jenna, do you have one?
Speaker 6 (03:19):
You know?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Again?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Producers this you may think this sounds cliche, but I
was a very gullible child, and so I thought that,
like if I ate a watermelon seed, a watermelon would
grow my belly. I thought that if I drank a
mento and had some Coca cola that I was going
to explode internally.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I thought, I'm sure how that one isn't true to
be honest in a bottle but not work in your stomach.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Come on, you guys, somebody's had to have a mento
Annesota though, and not expect.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Right, I can't.
Speaker 7 (03:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
I would start regulating that, Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 8 (03:54):
Going to.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Healthy, right.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
And yeah, and like eating before. You know, I never swam.
If I ate, I had, I always waited thirty minutes.
I always waited thirty minutes because I was terrified that
I would drown. So I was a very gullible child.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
Danielle, do you have one, because I don't, really, I don't.
I knew everything right away.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I was actually gonna say something kind of similar, which
was that I didn't believe anything.
Speaker 9 (04:28):
Ever I first like, I didn't believe in as a kid,
you didn't, Yeah, no, And.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Here part of it, I think was that, you know,
my half of my family is Maltese. They're from the island,
the country of Malta. They have thick accents, and from
the time I was very young, my grandfather, with his
thick Maltese accent, dressed up as Santa and surprised us.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
And it's on video. I'm only like three or maybe
four years old.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
My grandfather comes walking in and he's like ho ho, and.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I go, it's Pa. We called him Papa, and I go,
it's Pa.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And then look at my mom who's holding the video camera,
and I realize, oh, I'm going to ruin this for
my cousins. And I stopped myself and then I look
like I know what we're doing here, and like I
remember thinking, well, this makes no sense. There's a man
he flies around or the entire night, the whole world,
and everybody gets something and he goes the chimneys not
(05:28):
buying it. Like I really remember thinking that about everything,
Like didn't buy the Easter Bunny, so and I had
a street.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
I also put a warning on this episode.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
I have the tooth fairy.
Speaker 7 (05:41):
Nope.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
No, But my mom also made that.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
My mom made that easy for me because she was like,
I refuse to sneak into your bedroom and do something
under your under your pillow. So she made me a
pillow with a little pocket in it, and it hung
on our front door, and we put the tooth in
the pocket. And then all she had to do was
take the tooth and put the money in there, so
that I have to deal with the sneaking into our
room and hoping to wake us up thing. But I also,
like really had a hard time with authority.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I don't think I believed. I just know everyone's wrong.
I'm right. It was generally how I lived my childhood.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Will, I know your answer. You you thought smoking was
okay as a child.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I still do the surge in general.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
What that know.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
No, I'm kind of in the same boat as Jenna,
where it was like I truly believed for a while,
if you stepped on a crack you'd break your mother's back.
If you swallowed gum, it would stay in your body
for seven years.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, So that got me.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Yeah, like all those kind of little things that and that, uh,
you know, the entertainment business was a wonderful and safe
place to be.
Speaker 7 (06:51):
So those those things.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Were yeah, exactly, But No, I.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Was that same kind of way with the you didn't swim,
do you eat? And all that kind of stuff. Yeah,
but I still believe in Santa obviously.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Oh, what do you think it means to be successful?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I'm going to start with Will, because I think Will
knows the answer to what he thinks it means to
be successful. I think Will has thought about this many
times in his life, and it's maybe changed and adjusted
over the years, and I think Will feels like he
has a good answer for this now.
Speaker 7 (07:36):
I think you're right.
Speaker 8 (07:38):
Money, money on giant piles of money, surrounded by naked
women screaming my name.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yes, I know.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
You know as somebody and it's not to be cliche,
but as somebody who went through a very dark time
with mental illness. What success meant to me completely and
totally changed and waking up every day? I mean I
when I say I was alone for seven years, I
mean I mean there was times I didn't leave my house.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I was alone, not just times, there were long stretches youse.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
So to wake up every morning next to my wife,
who is my best friend and the greatest person for
me I've ever met in my life, and for us
to laugh every day and to enjoy my work again
with my friends, that's I'm that's.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
One hundred percent success for me, nothing else.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
If I could do this forever, I would be so happy,
And that's success for me. It used to be, you know,
I needed to get on the next sitcom. I needed
to start this. I need to have a bigger deal
I needed to do a movie, I needed to make
sure and.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
All of that just fell away. When you realize that
being okay in your own mind and body is the
most important thing in the world.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
And then finding the next steps in life to then
allow somebody access to me, somebody like my wife, to
open up enough to have a successful relationship, that was
success to me. Everything else just became fluff. My friend
said it the best. He's like, you find yourself, you
find love, and everything else's colored bubbles.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
And I think that's absolutely true. So that's mine like that.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Great answer, Very good, Jenna.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
What about you?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, I mean kind of going along with some of
the things that Will said, Like I think all of
us as child actors are in the business, there was
a lot of worth wrapped up in self worth, wrapped
up in our success of what we achieved and these
external factors. And so for me having to do a
(09:57):
lot of work into my adult life after Glee and
realizing that work wasn't everything, and that I wasn't it
wasn't didn't matter what what I was, what job I
was getting, that I was still worth something. Yes, I
(10:18):
think success is truly being able to look yourself in
the mirror and saying that you have self love and
that you're worth every day that you get because it's
such a gift. So I think that is really a
real sign of success because then you have the tools
to do whatever you want and you'll be successful.
Speaker 7 (10:36):
Right, Yeah, right, you're worth every day you get. I
like that sentiment a lot. I like that sentiment a lot.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Yeah, writer, how about you? What does it mean to
you to bess?
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Like we're all kind of saying similar things, but yeah,
I think that for me like that, I've had the
same sort of realization about especially when it comes to
our industry. But I feel like any any you know,
ambitious industry or goals in life. It's like you think, like, O,
if I just make this amount of money, or if
I'm on this type of show where I have this
(11:08):
this career, I'll be happy then, And of course you
realize that whenever you make it to whatever the next
level is, it's there's something else, right. It's like people
who are nominated for Academy Awards are then like, gotta
get that next one. It doesn't matter, I got to
go for any doc. You never arrive, right, you never
arrive in that sense in a way that I think
I really thought in my twenties that I was going
(11:29):
to arrive in some sense and like make it, and
of course it doesn't happen. But at the same time,
I've I thought about, like there are people I know
who maybe are like kind of full of self love
and like but not ambitious at all. They just want,
you know, they just sort of check out and like
(11:49):
maybe you're like getting all the time or like living
lives without any responsibility. And I don't think that's successful either.
I mean, maybe it's fine for them, but I'm I
like ambition. I like having artistic goals, expressive goals, cultural goals,
political goals, like I love I want to change the
world right, Like I want to make things even not
just for other people, but for myself and my family
(12:11):
and people I love. So I've been thinking about this
a lot, like what do I think of success and
who are my heroes? And I think it's setting goals
for yourself on your own terms and then going after
them and like achieving those goals and all and and
for me, those goals are now more process based, like
what do I want to actually get from this goal?
(12:31):
As a process, like what do I want to wake
up every day and do towards a goal? And that way,
even if I don't quite achieve the dream dream version
of it, I've had a great time, you know. Like
for me right now, it's like writing, you know, like
I can I can set out to write something and
like whether it's like the biggest tip the script cells
the novel gets published. I enjoy the process so much
(12:55):
now that I'm like, that's that. It's just good to
have that goal and yeah, so's it's a fulfilling my
own goals, I guess is kind of like success now.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
I like that fulfilling your own goals. Kevin, what about you?
What does it mean to be successful?
Speaker 5 (13:10):
You know?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I think how you all described writer at the beginning
of being fully authentic in every aspect of your life
all day. I think that to me is a gigantic
level of success because it also takes learning about who
you are to get there, being okay with who you
(13:32):
are and no matter whether it's in the entertainment business
or just hanging out with friends and going to dinner,
whatever it is, you were still showing up as you
And do you like that? And you're okay with that,
and you're confident that you're not going to nail it
all the time. Yeah, right, But feeling like I'm not
being influenced or swayed by my surroundings. And also I'm
(13:57):
just copying writer's life here, like saying yes to the trips,
all those things. Like to me, it's like being able
to be mobile in that way, and also want to
do that, want to I want to see things I
want to learn, and if I'm able to do that
in some sort of position to figure out how I
can make those things happen. It may not look it
(14:18):
may not look like how I thought it was going
to look like how I get to that next place,
But being malleable and being okay with however it happens.
At the end of the day, you're still showing up
as you I think.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
That is and not taking away anything from anyone writer
or anything you said, Kevin. But I also would just
like to acknowledge that there's also an immense amount of
privilege in that too.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Not everyone pullly a hod thing is based in privilege.
Like appreciative of how I've gotten to a place where
you can I don't have kids, I'm in a financial
place where I can't say yes to doing those things.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Or even just where you live, whether or not who
you are, you feel safe in the place, and I
live to truly be able.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
To live that authentically.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
So it's at least worth acknowledging that that level of success,
which I also agree with you, is that type of
life is everyone's goal should be to live as authentically
as they can, and it's a privilege everyone should be afforded,
and not everyone is.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
And so.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Let's all, like writer said, strive to create a world
where everyone can feel safe to live that authentically every day.
I think for me, and it's just probably a quick
summation of what all of you have said, But life
is really just a series of transitions, and you can
separate it into like personal transitions and professional transitions.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
And I think.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Willfully and willingly transitioning between each different phase of life
that you're in is my definition of success. Not fighting
against the next stage of life, not pining away for
a stage of life I no longer have, or thinking
about what the next stage is that I'm trying to
(16:06):
get to, but just recognizing the season or stage of
life that I am in and saying this is where
I am, and I'm going to make the most of that.
And eventually this will also pass, and there will be
another transition, and I will willfully and gleefully go into
that next one as well, even if it's a time
(16:27):
of hardship, or even if it's you know, writer and
I've talked about this a lot, and Jenn, I'm sure
you relate with being a parent. The transitions. You see it,
You see it happen with your kids. You're like, Oh,
we're in such a good phase, and that phase lasts
for two or three weeks, and the next thing you're like, oh, yah,
we're in such a man hey, when this is ever
going to be over? And then all of a sudden
it's gone, and you're.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Like, oh, yes, they all come and go.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
And I have had many of those in my own life,
and I see it with friends as they age and
maybe they're in a new stage of life that they
don't like and they're pining for a time in the past,
and I think I don't ever want to do that.
I just want to welcome the next stage and season.
So for me, my definition of success is happily transitioning
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and accepting those transitions as they come because you cannot
avoid them.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
That's right. Well it was beautiful, guys, This was so fun.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
When can we get together and like, you know, eat
hibachi or something.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I was just gonna say, I see that.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
We really do have to add you know, we have
to do that group WhatsApp for anything.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
I think you're right. Yeah, one more question?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Would you rather be a giant mouse or a miniature elephant?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Can I go.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
You're the only one who has an answer?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yes, because Okay, growing up, people would ask you my
name and I would either say Mickey Mouse. And then
because I always I've had gigantic ears, I've grown into
them a bit, but as a child they were the
exact same size. So the other thing was Dumbo.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Oh, and which one would you prefer?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Elephants? I don't know. If you watch videos on like
Instagram or TikTok or YouTube, they are so smart, they're community,
They're just brilliant. I would love to be a miniature elephant.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
What what does miniature mean? Can we get some definition
of the size here? What is giant and what is miniature?
Like a baby elephant?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
This nature, I think it has to fit in your palm.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Yeah, imagine if you'reniature, you're not tiny.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Size correct.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Yeah, I would do that in a heartbit.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
I love the idea of like like Honey, I Shrunk
the Kids was a seminal film for me.
Speaker 7 (18:54):
I love shrinking.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
I like ant Man is my favorite. They were almost
killed several times.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Do you watch?
Speaker 10 (19:00):
But the world is such a big adventure and if
you're an elephant, you're pretty tough. People are like, yeah,
a mouse would be a little miniature elephant.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
For me as well. Yeah, you're a miniature elephant too, Yeah, elephant,
are you a giant mouse? I'm a giant me too.
I'm a giant mouse. Get out of my way, say elephant.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Bring me cheese, bring me the.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Big wheel that they make your pasta in a restaurant.
That's not just your pasta, that's your that's your breakfast.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 9 (19:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
No, split the room is split.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
As someone who has spent her entire life barely inching
past five feet, I've spent enough time feeling miniature.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
I think I want to be a giant mouse.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
And if people are totally disgusted by me, you know
what that means, Just some peace and quiet, leave me
at just get away from me. Yeah, I'm correct with
all my stuff, all my cheese, and my strings and skins,
pouring them in my cheeks, and I'm glowy and I'm
covered in stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Beautiful mouse, bringing all the cheese.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Bring me all the cheese right now? I need yeah, yeah,
get this little Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
On the other hand, I do love miniature things and
the idea, of course, many many, many yes. Why it's
like the French fries and McDonald's happy meals, and they're just.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
They should be in a frame. They're so bad.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
It's so cute.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I get it.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
You go an episode without the bringing up McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Ken a lot of McDonald's past week.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
I will text.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Danielle and be like, all right, we're going to Chicago
this week. There's an international McDonald's nine miles. We found
ourselves in ubers in random cities at eleven o'clock at night,
just trying to find them.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Going to get a McDonald for a second meal.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Those are second meals.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
That's after we've all been to dinner.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
And I find out the next morning that these two
also got McDonald's at eleven o'clock at night.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
Yeah, that's We're giant mice, What do you want?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
I go to McDonald's. Every like new country I go to,
I find McDonald's and guards so I can Well, you've.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
Seen the TikTok video.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
It's either TikTok or Instagram where it's the only word
that's completely universal. The guy literally goes around and all
the sizes McDonald's and every country like, oh, McDonald's, and
they point to where it is.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
You want to know.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
One of my other favorite things about Will is that
he has no social media, but he's one of the
most online people I know. If there's a viral, trending,
TikTok thing or a video, he has seen it and
he'll bring it up to you.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Have you seen that one recently?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I'm like, Oh, I'm like, are you just stealing Susan's phone?
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Giant Giant Mouse knows all. That's just the way it is.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I love this lore, I know.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Well, thank you Jenna Ushkowitz and Kevin McHale for being
here with us for our pod swap.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
We really enjoyed this.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
We we do need to do this again, just over
a meal. I won't even bring the questions. I think
we have plenty to talk about based on this.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
We're going to have a problem.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
No, I think it'll be fine. Kevin.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I expect a text message later with some photos of
some of your bags, because now that's all I'm going
to be thinking about or what its great? And Jenna,
I hear he learned it from you, So Jenna collection,
I want to see some of those.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Please before we go. I need Jenna to confess one
of her crushes when she has a child.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Wait.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
First of all, I never had to see you guys
at the iHeart Festival, so I never got to fangirl
at all. I watched every episode of your show from
the beginning till the end. I put it on as
a comfort show. It still brings me joy. So I
really I loved your show, You guys and all of
you just like such a seminal you You raised me essentially,
(23:11):
you really did.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
Why did you have Riders Strong on your wall?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I did?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I had like J fourteen magazines there you go, and.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
I was like, am I going to tell them? Am
I not going to tell them? Thank you?
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Kevin McHale, Well, I was going to let you get
away with that.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Never J fourteen mags. You know, Tiger be like all
of them four you don't.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Okay, they had like the foldouts too, so you're like, yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
I was on a wall in Long Island. I was there,
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
It wasn't just one wall. I think I could name it.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It's such a joy to meet you guys finally and
do this, uh this plot swell.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Well, we look forward to seeing you both again. Thank
you so much for being here.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Can they adopt us?
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Please?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Can we just be with them for forever? Please? I
love them.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I was so jealous when you were talking about them
when you met them at that I Heart Radio festival
in Vegas. But I was like nervous to meet.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Them because Ryder was there.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Okay, this was a teenage crush.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Well, actually this was like a twelve year old crush.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
He was on my wall.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
He was like the first like bad boy motorcycle, white
T shirt wearing kid I ever saw in like the
media or in like t on TV.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Because they were young, We were young. They were in
like elementary school when they started this.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I get it, and I'm I didn't say this to them,
but as someone who also was probably not able to
recognize how I was feeling towards boys. I was like,
it's one of those things that I do I want
to be friends with him? Or do I want to
be with him? Or do I want to be like him?
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Right?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Like you, you can't differentiate between those, sure when you're
that age, and it's like the hair beautiful.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Circle moments these days with our podcast.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Okay, well remind you and go listen to part one
of our convo on the pod meets World Feed.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
And also listen to their show if you haven't listened
to the show. They're so wonderful and insightful and just
like some good, good people. Yeah, thank you to Pod
means Well for having us, Thanks for coming onto our show,
and thanks for Danielle for hosting basically all of us.
That was so special. Dreams do come true and that's
what you really missed. Thanks for listening and follow us
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make sure to write us you and leave us five stars.
See you next time.
And That's what you Really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to you, and That's what you Really miss podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
This is a very exciting episode boy meets Glee. If
you will a Boy meets World a Glee crossover. You know,
get into it.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
They raised me, that show raised me. I'm saying, fan
growing so hard. So this is part two of our
super fun combo with Danielle Fischel, will Fredell and Ryder
Strong of Pod Meets World.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So head over to the Podmets World's feed to listen
to part one of our conversation so you can get
into it. Then come back here for this episode. You
want to listen to that first half, especially for some
of our new inside jokes with our new very very
best friends.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Oh we love them so much. We are playing a
fun card game called Talking Point, where Danielle picked a
few cards at random and then we answered the questions
very honestly, So you don't want to it's that therapy.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
What was something you believed as a child that makes
you laugh now?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Oh, no, hard one. That is a hard one. Something
I believed.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
I was very, very convinced that I was a were
wolf when I was seven to eight, and I enlisted
friends and we were all we you know. And I
think this was because of Michael Jackson's thriller combined with
Team Wolf, and I think I genuinely believed that I,
like how I was going to turn into a werewolf,
(01:35):
and I wrote, I have like stacks of like family
trees and tribal stuff that I was created. I like
had this whole system and belief system, and I wrapped
other kids into it. We started the wolfgang at school
and I was like really convinced.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, And I was like, I don't know how it was.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
I was repeating something I talked about on the podcast.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Now you thought you were aware wolf for several years,
all the first basically all the first grade, all the
first grade.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
I was real.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
And I think I just.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
Wanted it to be true.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Then you just realized you were hairy and that was it.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
No, I just wanted it to be true. I just
wanted to It was like the superpowers you know that
I was hoping to get, was like that I would
try to do a were Wolf's.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Sold Kevin, do you have one?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Come back to me?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I got it, well, I thought I was going to
be a weather man. I was really convinced. But I
don't think that's crazy though, you know, I don't think
that's I used to film myself doing the weather and
was like, yes, I'm going to be a weather But
I realized I was actually just paranoid of tornadoes, and
so it was like my way of like controlling control,
(02:54):
like learning about the weather and all that stuff.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
But it's like, Will, I'm so afraid of flying. You
had to learn everything there is to know about planes
and flying.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Oh my god, can you talk to my boyfriend because
it's just getting worse for him.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Will has a Will has a really good handle on
it now, so is the perfect person to talk to you.
Speaker 7 (03:12):
I will be happy to there's ways you can you
can get through it.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Yeah, fantastic, Absolutely, Jenna, do you have one?
Speaker 6 (03:19):
You know?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Again?
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Producers this you may think this sounds cliche, but I
was a very gullible child, and so I thought that,
like if I ate a watermelon seed, a watermelon would
grow my belly. I thought that if I drank a
mento and had some Coca cola that I was going
to explode internally.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I thought, I'm sure how that one isn't true to
be honest in a bottle but not work in your stomach.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Come on, you guys, somebody's had to have a mento
Annesota though, and not expect.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Right, I can't.
Speaker 7 (03:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
I would start regulating that, Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 8 (03:54):
Going to.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Healthy, right.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
And yeah, and like eating before. You know, I never swam.
If I ate, I had, I always waited thirty minutes.
I always waited thirty minutes because I was terrified that
I would drown. So I was a very gullible child.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
Danielle, do you have one, because I don't, really, I don't.
I knew everything right away.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I was actually gonna say something kind of similar, which
was that I didn't believe anything.
Speaker 9 (04:28):
Ever I first like, I didn't believe in as a kid,
you didn't, Yeah, no, And.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Here part of it, I think was that, you know,
my half of my family is Maltese. They're from the island,
the country of Malta. They have thick accents, and from
the time I was very young, my grandfather, with his
thick Maltese accent, dressed up as Santa and surprised us.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
And it's on video. I'm only like three or maybe
four years old.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
My grandfather comes walking in and he's like ho ho, and.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I go, it's Pa. We called him Papa, and I go,
it's Pa.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
And then look at my mom who's holding the video camera,
and I realize, oh, I'm going to ruin this for
my cousins. And I stopped myself and then I look
like I know what we're doing here, and like I
remember thinking, well, this makes no sense. There's a man
he flies around or the entire night, the whole world,
and everybody gets something and he goes the chimneys not
(05:28):
buying it. Like I really remember thinking that about everything,
Like didn't buy the Easter Bunny, so and I had
a street.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
I also put a warning on this episode.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
I have the tooth fairy.
Speaker 7 (05:41):
Nope.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
No, But my mom also made that.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
My mom made that easy for me because she was like,
I refuse to sneak into your bedroom and do something
under your under your pillow. So she made me a
pillow with a little pocket in it, and it hung
on our front door, and we put the tooth in
the pocket. And then all she had to do was
take the tooth and put the money in there, so
that I have to deal with the sneaking into our
room and hoping to wake us up thing. But I also,
like really had a hard time with authority.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I don't think I believed. I just know everyone's wrong.
I'm right. It was generally how I lived my childhood.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Will, I know your answer. You you thought smoking was
okay as a child.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I still do the surge in general.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
What that know.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
No, I'm kind of in the same boat as Jenna,
where it was like I truly believed for a while,
if you stepped on a crack you'd break your mother's back.
If you swallowed gum, it would stay in your body
for seven years.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, So that got me.
Speaker 6 (06:41):
Yeah, like all those kind of little things that and that, uh,
you know, the entertainment business was a wonderful and safe
place to be.
Speaker 7 (06:51):
So those those things.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
Were yeah, exactly, But No, I.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Was that same kind of way with the you didn't swim,
do you eat? And all that kind of stuff. Yeah,
but I still believe in Santa obviously.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Oh, what do you think it means to be successful?
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I'm going to start with Will, because I think Will
knows the answer to what he thinks it means to
be successful. I think Will has thought about this many
times in his life, and it's maybe changed and adjusted
over the years, and I think Will feels like he
has a good answer for this now.
Speaker 7 (07:36):
I think you're right.
Speaker 8 (07:38):
Money, money on giant piles of money, surrounded by naked
women screaming my name.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yes, I know.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
You know as somebody and it's not to be cliche,
but as somebody who went through a very dark time
with mental illness. What success meant to me completely and
totally changed and waking up every day? I mean I
when I say I was alone for seven years, I
mean I mean there was times I didn't leave my house.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I was alone, not just times, there were long stretches youse.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
So to wake up every morning next to my wife,
who is my best friend and the greatest person for
me I've ever met in my life, and for us
to laugh every day and to enjoy my work again
with my friends, that's I'm that's.
Speaker 7 (08:39):
One hundred percent success for me, nothing else.
Speaker 6 (08:41):
If I could do this forever, I would be so happy,
And that's success for me. It used to be, you know,
I needed to get on the next sitcom. I needed
to start this. I need to have a bigger deal
I needed to do a movie, I needed to make
sure and.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
All of that just fell away. When you realize that
being okay in your own mind and body is the
most important thing in the world.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
And then finding the next steps in life to then
allow somebody access to me, somebody like my wife, to
open up enough to have a successful relationship, that was
success to me. Everything else just became fluff. My friend
said it the best. He's like, you find yourself, you
find love, and everything else's colored bubbles.
Speaker 7 (09:26):
And I think that's absolutely true. So that's mine like that.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Great answer, Very good, Jenna.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
What about you?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, I mean kind of going along with some of
the things that Will said, Like I think all of
us as child actors are in the business, there was
a lot of worth wrapped up in self worth, wrapped
up in our success of what we achieved and these
external factors. And so for me having to do a
(09:57):
lot of work into my adult life after Glee and
realizing that work wasn't everything, and that I wasn't it
wasn't didn't matter what what I was, what job I
was getting, that I was still worth something. Yes, I
(10:18):
think success is truly being able to look yourself in
the mirror and saying that you have self love and
that you're worth every day that you get because it's
such a gift. So I think that is really a
real sign of success because then you have the tools
to do whatever you want and you'll be successful.
Speaker 7 (10:36):
Right, Yeah, right, you're worth every day you get. I
like that sentiment a lot. I like that sentiment a lot.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Yeah, writer, how about you? What does it mean to
you to bess?
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Like we're all kind of saying similar things, but yeah,
I think that for me like that, I've had the
same sort of realization about especially when it comes to
our industry. But I feel like any any you know,
ambitious industry or goals in life. It's like you think, like, O,
if I just make this amount of money, or if
I'm on this type of show where I have this
(11:08):
this career, I'll be happy then, And of course you
realize that whenever you make it to whatever the next
level is, it's there's something else, right. It's like people
who are nominated for Academy Awards are then like, gotta
get that next one. It doesn't matter, I got to
go for any doc. You never arrive, right, you never
arrive in that sense in a way that I think
I really thought in my twenties that I was going
(11:29):
to arrive in some sense and like make it, and
of course it doesn't happen. But at the same time,
I've I thought about, like there are people I know
who maybe are like kind of full of self love
and like but not ambitious at all. They just want,
you know, they just sort of check out and like
(11:49):
maybe you're like getting all the time or like living
lives without any responsibility. And I don't think that's successful either.
I mean, maybe it's fine for them, but I'm I
like ambition. I like having artistic goals, expressive goals, cultural goals,
political goals, like I love I want to change the
world right, Like I want to make things even not
just for other people, but for myself and my family
(12:11):
and people I love. So I've been thinking about this
a lot, like what do I think of success and
who are my heroes? And I think it's setting goals
for yourself on your own terms and then going after
them and like achieving those goals and all and and
for me, those goals are now more process based, like
what do I want to actually get from this goal?
(12:31):
As a process, like what do I want to wake
up every day and do towards a goal? And that way,
even if I don't quite achieve the dream dream version
of it, I've had a great time, you know. Like
for me right now, it's like writing, you know, like
I can I can set out to write something and
like whether it's like the biggest tip the script cells
the novel gets published. I enjoy the process so much
(12:55):
now that I'm like, that's that. It's just good to
have that goal and yeah, so's it's a fulfilling my
own goals, I guess is kind of like success now.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
I like that fulfilling your own goals. Kevin, what about you?
What does it mean to be successful?
Speaker 5 (13:10):
You know?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I think how you all described writer at the beginning
of being fully authentic in every aspect of your life
all day. I think that to me is a gigantic
level of success because it also takes learning about who
you are to get there, being okay with who you
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are and no matter whether it's in the entertainment business
or just hanging out with friends and going to dinner,
whatever it is, you were still showing up as you
And do you like that? And you're okay with that,
and you're confident that you're not going to nail it
all the time. Yeah, right, But feeling like I'm not
being influenced or swayed by my surroundings. And also I'm
(13:57):
just copying writer's life here, like saying yes to the trips,
all those things. Like to me, it's like being able
to be mobile in that way, and also want to
do that, want to I want to see things I
want to learn, and if I'm able to do that
in some sort of position to figure out how I
can make those things happen. It may not look it
(14:18):
may not look like how I thought it was going
to look like how I get to that next place,
But being malleable and being okay with however it happens.
At the end of the day, you're still showing up
as you I think.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
That is and not taking away anything from anyone writer
or anything you said, Kevin. But I also would just
like to acknowledge that there's also an immense amount of
privilege in that too.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Not everyone pullly a hod thing is based in privilege.
Like appreciative of how I've gotten to a place where
you can I don't have kids, I'm in a financial
place where I can't say yes to doing those things.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Or even just where you live, whether or not who
you are, you feel safe in the place, and I
live to truly be able.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
To live that authentically.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
So it's at least worth acknowledging that that level of success,
which I also agree with you, is that type of
life is everyone's goal should be to live as authentically
as they can, and it's a privilege everyone should be afforded,
and not everyone is.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
And so.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Let's all, like writer said, strive to create a world
where everyone can feel safe to live that authentically every day.
I think for me, and it's just probably a quick
summation of what all of you have said, But life
is really just a series of transitions, and you can
separate it into like personal transitions and professional transitions.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
And I think.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Willfully and willingly transitioning between each different phase of life
that you're in is my definition of success. Not fighting
against the next stage of life, not pining away for
a stage of life I no longer have, or thinking
about what the next stage is that I'm trying to
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get to, but just recognizing the season or stage of
life that I am in and saying this is where
I am, and I'm going to make the most of that.
And eventually this will also pass, and there will be
another transition, and I will willfully and gleefully go into
that next one as well, even if it's a time
(16:27):
of hardship, or even if it's you know, writer and
I've talked about this a lot, and Jenn, I'm sure
you relate with being a parent. The transitions. You see it,
You see it happen with your kids. You're like, Oh,
we're in such a good phase, and that phase lasts
for two or three weeks, and the next thing you're like, oh, yah,
we're in such a man hey, when this is ever
going to be over? And then all of a sudden
it's gone, and you're.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Like, oh, yes, they all come and go.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
And I have had many of those in my own life,
and I see it with friends as they age and
maybe they're in a new stage of life that they
don't like and they're pining for a time in the past,
and I think I don't ever want to do that.
I just want to welcome the next stage and season.
So for me, my definition of success is happily transitioning
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and accepting those transitions as they come because you cannot
avoid them.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
That's right. Well it was beautiful, guys, This was so fun.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
When can we get together and like, you know, eat
hibachi or something.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I was just gonna say, I see that.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
We really do have to add you know, we have
to do that group WhatsApp for anything.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
I think you're right. Yeah, one more question?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Would you rather be a giant mouse or a miniature elephant?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Can I go.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
You're the only one who has an answer?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Yes, because Okay, growing up, people would ask you my
name and I would either say Mickey Mouse. And then
because I always I've had gigantic ears, I've grown into
them a bit, but as a child they were the
exact same size. So the other thing was Dumbo.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Oh, and which one would you prefer?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Elephants? I don't know. If you watch videos on like
Instagram or TikTok or YouTube, they are so smart, they're community,
They're just brilliant. I would love to be a miniature elephant.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
What what does miniature mean? Can we get some definition
of the size here? What is giant and what is miniature?
Like a baby elephant?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
This nature, I think it has to fit in your palm.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Yeah, imagine if you'reniature, you're not tiny.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Size correct.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
Yeah, I would do that in a heartbit.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
Absolutely.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
I love the idea of like like Honey, I Shrunk
the Kids was a seminal film for me.
Speaker 7 (18:54):
I love shrinking.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
I like ant Man is my favorite. They were almost
killed several times.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Do you watch?
Speaker 10 (19:00):
But the world is such a big adventure and if
you're an elephant, you're pretty tough. People are like, yeah,
a mouse would be a little miniature elephant.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
For me as well. Yeah, you're a miniature elephant too, Yeah, elephant,
are you a giant mouse? I'm a giant me too.
I'm a giant mouse. Get out of my way, say elephant.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Bring me cheese, bring me the.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Big wheel that they make your pasta in a restaurant.
That's not just your pasta, that's your that's your breakfast.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 9 (19:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
No, split the room is split.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
As someone who has spent her entire life barely inching
past five feet, I've spent enough time feeling miniature.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
I think I want to be a giant mouse.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
And if people are totally disgusted by me, you know
what that means, Just some peace and quiet, leave me
at just get away from me. Yeah, I'm correct with
all my stuff, all my cheese, and my strings and skins,
pouring them in my cheeks, and I'm glowy and I'm
covered in stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Beautiful mouse, bringing all the cheese.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Bring me all the cheese right now? I need yeah, yeah,
get this little Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
On the other hand, I do love miniature things and
the idea, of course, many many, many yes. Why it's
like the French fries and McDonald's happy meals, and they're just.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
They should be in a frame. They're so bad.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
It's so cute.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
I get it.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
You go an episode without the bringing up McDonald's.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Ken a lot of McDonald's past week.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
I will text.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Danielle and be like, all right, we're going to Chicago
this week. There's an international McDonald's nine miles. We found
ourselves in ubers in random cities at eleven o'clock at night,
just trying to find them.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Going to get a McDonald for a second meal.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
Those are second meals.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
That's after we've all been to dinner.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
And I find out the next morning that these two
also got McDonald's at eleven o'clock at night.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
Yeah, that's We're giant mice, What do you want?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
I go to McDonald's. Every like new country I go to,
I find McDonald's and guards so I can Well, you've.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
Seen the TikTok video.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
It's either TikTok or Instagram where it's the only word
that's completely universal. The guy literally goes around and all
the sizes McDonald's and every country like, oh, McDonald's, and
they point to where it is.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
You want to know.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
One of my other favorite things about Will is that
he has no social media, but he's one of the
most online people I know. If there's a viral, trending,
TikTok thing or a video, he has seen it and
he'll bring it up to you.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Have you seen that one recently?
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I'm like, Oh, I'm like, are you just stealing Susan's phone?
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Giant Giant Mouse knows all. That's just the way it is.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
I love this lore, I know.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Well, thank you Jenna Ushkowitz and Kevin McHale for being
here with us for our pod swap.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
We really enjoyed this.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
We we do need to do this again, just over
a meal. I won't even bring the questions. I think
we have plenty to talk about based on this.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
We're going to have a problem.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
No, I think it'll be fine. Kevin.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I expect a text message later with some photos of
some of your bags, because now that's all I'm going
to be thinking about or what its great? And Jenna,
I hear he learned it from you, So Jenna collection,
I want to see some of those.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Please before we go. I need Jenna to confess one
of her crushes when she has a child.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Wait.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
First of all, I never had to see you guys
at the iHeart Festival, so I never got to fangirl
at all. I watched every episode of your show from
the beginning till the end. I put it on as
a comfort show. It still brings me joy. So I
really I loved your show, You guys and all of
you just like such a seminal you You raised me essentially,
(23:11):
you really did.
Speaker 7 (23:12):
Why did you have Riders Strong on your wall?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I did?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I had like J fourteen magazines there you go, and.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
I was like, am I going to tell them? Am
I not going to tell them? Thank you?
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Kevin McHale, Well, I was going to let you get
away with that.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Never J fourteen mags. You know, Tiger be like all
of them four you don't.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Okay, they had like the foldouts too, so you're like, yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
I was on a wall in Long Island. I was there,
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
It wasn't just one wall. I think I could name it.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
It's such a joy to meet you guys finally and
do this, uh this plot swell.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Well, we look forward to seeing you both again. Thank
you so much for being here.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Can they adopt us?
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Please?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Can we just be with them for forever? Please? I
love them.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I was so jealous when you were talking about them
when you met them at that I Heart Radio festival
in Vegas. But I was like nervous to meet.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Them because Ryder was there.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Okay, this was a teenage crush.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Well, actually this was like a twelve year old crush.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
He was on my wall.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
He was like the first like bad boy motorcycle, white
T shirt wearing kid I ever saw in like the
media or in like t on TV.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Because they were young, We were young. They were in
like elementary school when they started this.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
I get it, and I'm I didn't say this to them,
but as someone who also was probably not able to
recognize how I was feeling towards boys. I was like,
it's one of those things that I do I want
to be friends with him? Or do I want to
be with him? Or do I want to be like him?
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Right?
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Like you, you can't differentiate between those, sure when you're
that age, and it's like the hair beautiful.
Speaker 4 (25:22):
Circle moments these days with our podcast.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Okay, well remind you and go listen to part one
of our convo on the pod meets World Feed.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
And also listen to their show if you haven't listened
to the show. They're so wonderful and insightful and just
like some good, good people. Yeah, thank you to Pod
means Well for having us, Thanks for coming onto our show,
and thanks for Danielle for hosting basically all of us.
That was so special. Dreams do come true and that's
what you really missed. Thanks for listening and follow us
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make sure to write us you and leave us five stars.
See you next time.
Host
Jenna Ushkowitz
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