March 10, 2025 • 39 mins
Hold up, wait a minute! Rachel is already tired of living her dream? Santana is back, and Shirley MacLaine’s Glee debut!
For the first time, Kevin is stumbling over his words during the recap as he tries to make sense of this episode! Jenna shares her thoughts on the storyline she wasn’t a fan of, plus they both noticed that the lip-syncing and wardrobe choices were pretty off. But there’s still a lot to love, like the incredible Shirley MacLaine stealing every scene she’s in!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And that's what you really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to you when that's what you're in this podcast.
Hello Kevin, Hello Jenna. So we're back in New York. Fully,
we are with the backup Plan, and I have lots
of thoughts.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
We have Sherilan McClain, which is crazy, crazy, So let's
get into this because we've been on a really good
run with New York episodes.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Okay, let's get into it. This is season five, episode eighteen.
This is the Backup Plan and it aired on April
twenty nineth, twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Number one song is Still Happy. The number one movie
is The Other Woman.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Never saw it.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I don't remember this at all. Nicki Minaj is in
it though.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Interesting? Okay, yeah, all right. Glee News is Week. On
April twenty fifth, Darren and Lea attended the Johnson Cancer
Foundation's nineteenth Annual Taste for Cure gala as well as
Ryan Murphy was there and the event was held at
the recent Beverly Hotel in Beverly Hills. Darren performed Crazy
Love Ye, Van Morrison, Interesting and Let It Be, and
(01:18):
Leah joined him after and they sang somewhere after Somewhere
over the Rainbow, and this EP came out because obviously
we know the rest of the episodes released an.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
EP speaking of Somewhere with the Rainbow, How did you
feel about the opening of the oscars?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I loved it. I loved it. I love that She's
sang home.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, I screamed, And I love that.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
They did fine define gravity. I was like here for it.
They looked great, they sounded great. I loved Ariana like
staring at Cynthia that way. We all love that, and
I just I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Ord also because this episode came out on the twenty
ninth of April, Happy birthday, Jenna and Harry the day
before April twenty eighth, and Diana on the thirtieth.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It was always a busy time for us. So this
episode was directed by Ian Brennan, you know, one of
the co creators, written by Roberto and we have, like
we said, Shirley McLain and like, for some reason a
small appearance from Eric Roberts.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yes, very interesting. Yeah, Okay. The songs are wake Me
Up by Vichi, perform by Rachel Do.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Up, That Thing performed by Mercedes and Santana.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Story of My Life performing Blaine and Kurt.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Piece of My Heart performed by Blaine and June Dollaway.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
And The Rose by Rachel oh Man.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Okay, there are some really fun on facts. So this
episode has the most absent main cast members to date,
with ten characters missing.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Wow. Yeah, there was not a lot of people maybe
lent to the tone of the episode. This is the
first episode in which Sam is absent since his return
in season three. Wow episode eight Hold on to sixteen
And this is the second without rdy ABMs.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Do up. That thing was filmed under the set of
Doctor Phil.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And this is the third episode ever where all the
main characters present in the episode aka Rachel, Kirk, Blaine,
and Santana sing and the first being The Power of
Madonna and the second being New New York.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
And this episode marks the final appearance of Sidney Green. Okay,
so Jenna. This episode, Rachel jeopardizes her funny girl lead
when she auditions for a television pilot. Meanwhile, Mercedes tries
to help get Santana in on her recording deal and
Blame be friends an older, rich socialite.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
All right, okay, let's talk about Mercedes and Santana. Okay,
let's talk about them. Because Mercedes is trying to find
a single on her album, and she said that her
producer doesn't hear a single like on her album, so
the label won't give her the release date that they
have set for her. So of course she's with Santana,
(04:29):
and she has Santana to help her find like her groove,
I guess, and to find a song. And so they
go to the studio and she's like on the clock
and she can't really get it, and we don't really
know what's happening, and Santana suggests that they get out
(04:50):
of the studio and find that New York sound. So, okay,
I understand, I don't I understand this is what I
do understand. I understand Mercedes trying to find a sound
for an album, right like, I understand that, and I
understand why she can't to New York for it. What
(05:12):
I don't understand is does that means getting out of
the studio and singing while doing it down a hallway
and in a bathroom. I'm confused by the bathroom because
that's not New York.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
The elevator, the they do like a whole we were
missing locations here, like you could have been a New
York street or the subway or something.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
We're not afraid of reusing locations. We know this, so
we had to keep it on paramount and the producer
following him with a mic, following them with a mic
in Santana with a boombox.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Look, I know. The show so is constantly aspirational and
wild and fanciful and not necessarily based in reality. Sometimes
I'm fine with that.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
One of my biggest pet peeves in movies and TV
shows is how the music business is represented. And this
is all of those cliches and reasons why I hate
when the music business is like a storyline in something,
because none of it makes sense, none of it. And
(06:38):
I know that's not what the show is about, but
it's like, I don't know, you have other things that
are like a lot of the stuff at the high
School is real, and then even some of the Broadway
stuff is real. None of this music business stuff is accurate.
It is so baffling to me. However, Naya, and we're
(07:00):
doing so many funny things like for us, like Amber
goes scoop to the note, which is what Alex used
to do. Yeah, our vocal producers used to do to us,
and we all used to talk about it. And if
you listen to the show, you've heard a joke about
it before. And she's really going scoop too. And then
(07:21):
like some of the dance moves they're doing and when
they're walking through whatever, I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Know, hallways always yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
But they're doing like our funny I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
You have to do at that point because like it's
kind of there's no real intention behind it, Like there's
nothing clear about this that says I found my groove
in the doop song in the hallway of a New
York recording studio aka Doctor Phil's basement.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So to make it work, it just isn't. Also like
you know what we're gonna do. This is gonna save it.
We're going to record this song in the bass meant
which also what is the song? Maybe the song's bad, right, I.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Don't think they have the song yet. I think they
just figured out that they have the sound.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Like none of it makes sense. And like also I
don't know what's happening with the costumes. They're back to
dressing Amber like she's twenty years older than she is.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
And Naya's I don't know what she's wearing.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I don't I don't know what's going on, and.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
What I like about this storyline is like Mercedes is
always super loyal to her friends. I think this is
the important thing here, even in the face of her
own like professional career, something she's always wanted and should have.
She's like, let me have out my girl, because she's
incredible and right, like sits up for her and tries
(08:52):
to get Santana on the track with her, and the
producers like, no, no, you shouldn't do it, and I
don't disagree, Like he had some good points in Tanna's
Santana is trying to be a better person.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And yes, we see this throughout the whole episode.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, like I think you are. I think he's right.
You know I'm going to leave because you know what
I would do in this situation. What you even see
at the end of the episode with Santana and Rachel, which.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I just can't Okay, just keep going and keep going.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And we'll get back to I think we should talk
about that when we get to Rachel. But yes, agreed,
but she does a nice thing for her by stepping
into the show for her, and at the end of it,
Rachel's like, you know, what do you want to return?
And Santana's like, I don't want anything. I'm trying. I'm
working on me. But that music. That music section was
(09:48):
really tough because it's also like you're not giving like
the dialogue a real fair shot because what you're talking
about makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Well that's it, It's like.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
What are you like? I think Amber and I did
a great job.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah it's not a great but they looked.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Like also something was off with the lip sinking. I
think probably because the.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Whole episode, right, the.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Whole episode was weird. Everyone was over enunciating their words,
but especially in that thing, and it feels like that
had to have been a note from somebody. I also
think they probably were messing up the lips think of
it because it's so many words.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Like a lot of weird ad lives and like underneath
and yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
It was just cutting around it.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I felt confused and I was like, where what journey
were on? Right now? Where are we going with this?
Where is this taking us? Why are we here? It
didn't feel warranted. I just felt like it was filling
the space.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It felt goofy. Yeah, and I don't mean that in
a good way.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
No, No, I know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
The whole tone of the all these storylines of this episode,
everything felt goofy. It just didn't feel grounded. It didn't
feel grounded in reality.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Like there if there's a reality in the story, the
characters can kind of be elevated and we can kind
of be KOOKI and kind of be weird and do
our whole thing and do our spiels. But when it's
not grounded in that, you lose it loses the the
glee thing that of being able to like suspend the
(11:22):
reality right because it just feels so out of left field,
like out of thin air.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I don't know, maybe I'm being hypocritical. I'm not sure,
but like even how some of the musical numbers were
blocked and filmed, how it was lit, everything just felt different.
And I agreed, I was just a little confused bout
what was going on. It felt like a little senior itis,
like we're at the end of the season here.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
A totally season totally.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
And I also think it's because I've been on like
we've been on such a high, We've we've loved these
past couple episodes in New York, and so this is
like a glaring thing for me. Funny girl.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Okay, it's a success. We know this. And there Rachel's singing,
wake me up. She's bored. She's not. And I wouldn't
say like that's the character or the way she's portraying it, like,
(12:34):
oh I'm bored, but it's the way it's being portrayed,
like like Lee's doing a great job with what she's given,
Like she's done the show for what She's got fifty
something shows under her belt. Now it's not that many.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
She's like a month in or something.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
A month in and all of a sudden she's getting approached.
She's hot, you know, the big a girl. She's hot.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
News people want her an.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Ica, Oh yes, thank you, so so. Richard Kine's there,
he's her agent. It's a very funny scene, but basically
he's like, what do you want? This guy's the limit
And then but we think you have a face for radio.
So really kind of just bringing her down to this
place of like you're not gonna work how you want
to work on TV and film forever and like kind
(13:25):
of like make your way to the next step. She's
feeling like Funny Girls getting a little redundant. Based on
Wake Me Up, where she does this, they show her
coming out night after night to do the show and
it feels repetitive and she's doing the same thing, and
(13:46):
I thought that was cool, but I don't think it
was warranted for the timing of the show that it's
so quickly after. I am glad that Kurt did mention
like this is what you've always wanted you just start
Why are you going to f it all up now?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
It also makes zero sense I think for her character
where totally that like she has been driven from day
one to basically get to where she is. And obviously,
yes she left Nada early to do this, but that
makes sense and is still in line with like what
her dream has been. Yeah, and like you said, you're like,
(14:26):
why would you keep going to school if you're already
like the lead in a show like right that you're
going to school to do that thing right? Right? So
like that makes sense. But then she turns around and
does it again, but with this like TV movie stuff,
and again, like you said, if the story is grounded,
then like they can be crazy and like, yeah, that's
(14:48):
why all of her like leaving Niata early and acting
a little crazy. It's fine because it's within line with
like how she's been for five seasons. Yes, this feels
like totally out of whack for me.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Well yeah, so I mean, like, okay, So for example,
this Paul what's his name.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Lee, Paul black Lee Paul played by Jim Rashers, and
I thought he was so a lot of good guest stars,
like you said Richard Kind. Jim rash was hilarious and
did like a really grounded performance of this.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yes, I loved it. So he comes in. The Fox
exec comes in and says, I, after Rachel's had her meeting,
her very discouraging meeting with her agents, and he says,
there's this show on Fox that a little meta, we
want you to come and test for and uh your
(15:46):
perk before it and blah blah blah. So she's trying
to get out of the show, out of her Broadway show.
He's like, can you make it on Tuesday night? And
she's like, no, I have a show and he's like, well,
you're under study. It's a show. Now, Well, people do
this right, People call out of a show. It's frowned upon.
(16:08):
It's probably a breach of contract realistically, but people call
out her shows for reasons, right, like I just you
don't leave town if you're the star of a show
unless you get approval, which she tried to get out Sydney,
but like didn't work. He was like no, no, no.
She calls out of the show after having a conversation
(16:30):
with Kurt, who I appreciated that conversation of him keeping
it real with her, and flies to La to test
where she didn't get the script and sings a song,
sings the Rose. Now the Rose would have been funny,
(16:51):
but we weren't in on the joke. We didn't know
that it wasn't a singing audition, that there were sides
and it was a space sci fi show. I mean
I got it from their reactions totally, but I wasn't
sure if she's sang the wrong song or it. Like,
I didn't know what they were looking for, and so
(17:15):
it wasn't like, oh, she wasn't supposed to sing like
I just thought like, oh, she's singing, and they're like, oh,
you know this is this is not the right character
you're auditioning for. So that was one two so weird
to be in like a Fox studio room. It's not
how a test really looks, but I could kind of
(17:36):
look like a test. Yeah, but it's just like the
whole thing of the Lee Paul Blatt walking into her
dressing room with unannounced She has no idea he's coming.
Sits down also like so weird to me, like so
many realistics.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Everything was weird. The only thing I enjoyed in this
was like there was some good comedy the two of them.
They were really funny together. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure,
Like Leah was really funny and so is Jim.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
It was great.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I love seeing Paramount. It's like, oh, that's where we shot,
Like that's where it's clearly everything had to be filmed
at Paramount. At the end of the season, we're not
going to New York again.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Her audition was really bad,
which was actually funny too to like see as an actor,
to watch a bad audition, not to watch her fail,
but like it happens and it's real and it's sometimes
you're just not right for the part. It awful and
you're like, I'm actually like in the middle of an
(18:42):
audition like that, I'd be like thinking to myself like,
let me just excuse myself and do you all a
favor right now, because like we all know this isn't.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Right, you knowing everybody's time.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, like maybe maybe I should just leave. And she
gets stuck in and city calls that her understudy had
uh slipped and hurt her neck, right.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Something like that fell off the stage or something.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, yes, I fell off the lip of the stage
and hurt her neck. And so she he needs she
needs to hydrate and show up and she's in La
and she can't make it back, and so she calls Kurt,
who enlists Mercedes and Santana to help him like stall
the show, figure it out so that she doesn't lose
her job and uh in breach of contract, and so
(19:31):
Santana has an idea to go step in as Fanny Bryce. Well.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Also when Kurt comes in to tell Santana Mercedes is
there offering Santana a recording like a contract so she
can sing on a song with her, I was like,
what is happening. It doesn't happen, none of it well,
because it was like it's not only the music storyline
now like the Rachel's storyline. Also it's cliches about TV
(20:03):
and agent Broadway and Broadway.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Okay, so now we're compounding that right, right, Like two
negatives does not make a positive.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Right exactly. And Santana shows up and turns around and
she's in the Fanny Rice costume and it's just so unrealistic,
like it would never happen like that, given granted she
was hired as the understudy to start, so there's like
at least a piece of it that kind of makes sense,
but like, no, it wouldn't. It wouldn't happen like that,
(20:41):
and after wouldn't tell a producer that she's stepping in.
Santana wouldn't be ready. She doesn't fit into Rachel's costumes.
She looks like she's going on for a concert, not
a musical. I don't I don't fully understand any of it.
I didn't believe a word of it, and so it
(21:02):
just felt very looked out of thin air, not based
in reality at all. She does save the show, I guess,
and apparently she was very good, and apparently Rachel makes
it back to see her in the second act, and
so she's very good and she thanks Santana, and that
very nice scene that you had talked about earlier where
(21:25):
she's like, Okay, tell me what you want, and Santana
very kindly says, like, you know, let's kind of just
start over. And you can see this as a gesture
of like me trying to be a better person, which
is really great. And of course we love a scene
with Rachel and Santana, love to watch them together. And
I appreciated that because I do think that it's nice
(21:50):
to see a character still evolving at this point in
the show, and for a character to continue to have
an arc that makes sense, something something I just I
feel like redeeming in this episode, in this very harsh
episode that feels very yeah. And Rachel has a meeting
(22:17):
with Sydney and she is very prepared for him to
fire her because of what she did. She told him
the truth and you just don't do that and you
don't leave and call out for another audition. It's just
not right. There would also be a second Fanny stand by.
(22:40):
There'd be a stand by and an understudy. I wanted
to ask you the title orle would have more than
one cover, for sure, they generally have two covers. One
would probably be the stand by, which is the one
who goes on the most. But then there would be
another person who also covers Fanny. Because of times like
this and two people are out, which happens, it realistically happens,
(23:04):
So that wouldn't have happened. And that meeting.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Seemed pretty real though that I like that felt grounded
and like shocking in a way. That was yes, because
you know, you just assume like she's gonna get away
with it, She'll get a little but like he was mad.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah, I agree, Kevin. The the producer meeting was Actually
I think it did its job. We were supposed to
feel very downtrodden and taken down by this whole thing.
Like Rachel was really getting more than just a slap
on the wrist and really hit her hard, and it
was kind of it was inappropriate in a way that
(23:43):
I don't think somebody should speak to somebody else, whether
it be a boss to a employee of any kind.
It was more of a hit on her person and
it felt like that. And so I think her response
coming out of that meeting was valid and how upset
(24:06):
she was because she knew she had messed up, and
you know, it happens, but I don't think it called
for that, but I do think it justified her wanting
to take on this show and leave Fanny Brice at
this point because the workplace has then become toxic with
how Sydney's treating her. So therefore then she's going, Okay,
(24:26):
they're going to make a show for me. I got
to get out of here. So sure, none of that
really happens like that, And also like the development deal,
it doesn't really happen like that, but they are Lee.
Paul Black calls her and says, look, we know that
you weren't right for this sci fi show, but we
are going to give you a development deal in which
(24:48):
we're going to create a show around you, which we
will get you the untitled Rachel Barry Project, which I
don't know anything about. I don't know how that ends,
so I am curious how they're going to handle all
of that. But I again, none of this felt real
and maybe and it's also kind of sad because like, yes,
(25:09):
we've worked on Broadway, we've worked in the music industry,
we know how this all works. For people who don't,
that's their take on what happens.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yes, but I also feel like that this show is
generally ground smarter, like getting wittier than that, agreed, and
so it just felt like often that way. And I
think because like the writers have been doing such a
good job of raising the bar of what we've been
seeing right now, and you totally told that. It's like,
(25:37):
that's what you've come to expect, We've adjusted our expectations,
and I'm like, this doesn't meet that, right. But I
do think there's also a trend of, like some of
the episodes, not just in our show in general, when
it gets towards the end of like a long season,
you have a couple of clunkers, and that's fine writing
(26:00):
twenty twenty two episodes a season whatever.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Totally, it just it really it ended my streak for sure.
I think it ended a lot of people' streaks. But
I would be curious to hear people think that's that
we still haven't finished. We have Kurt and Blaine, so
curtain Blaine. Kurt is going to sing and perform at
the renaming of the Nanda Dance Studio.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
For selected to be the performer, Okay, and then just
has Blaine. And you're at the opening of a dance
studio and there is no dancing. You're actually just singing
like a mid tempo song on stools.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
It's really weird.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
It's so strange because those two can do such high
energy performances as well.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
I do. I will say while the song choices, I
didn't think we're quite correct for this. I do love
these songs like I love Waiting Up, I loved Up,
I love Story of My Life like I'm I'm here
for it. But I I just didn't and yeah, exactly
exactly didn't quick fit into the storyline. But there are
(27:10):
episodes where that's going to happen, where we're writing around
you know, we're writing and the songs just happened to
make it in and they do. Yeah, they do. Story
in My Life for Dune Dollaway and June ends up
being and Kurt is obsessed with Dan all the way.
He's like a huge fan, totally aware of like her
body of work. And Blaine's just kind of there for
(27:34):
the ride, and June perks up, which is the Shirley
McLean who is in the show, and she perks up
and sees Blaine and sees his potential and she takes
him under her wing and they go to this charity
dinner together and they decide. She decides she's going to
do a show for him to showcase his talents, and
Blaine very kindly is like, I'm going to include Kurt
(27:58):
or where does Kurt fit in to all of this?
And she's like, no, no, it's not going to happen
like that. Now. I don't think Blaine should have been
afraid to tell Kurt like June doesn't really like you,
because Kurt was like, oh I thought she hated me,
like he didn't even expect her to be in any
(28:20):
this show. So again, I was like confused why they
couldn't just have an honest conversation about it. But I
guess that wouldn't be good TV. I don't know, I.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
I don't know. It's sort of it felt like everybody
was acting out of character and not like if I'm exciting, Oh,
they're acting out of character.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
I just felt like out of sorts completely.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yes, like it didn't make Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
I'm studying that. I was. I was watching it in
sort of each scene that happened.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I was like, wait, what's happening. I also just like
I I to be honest, like I didn't care. I
didn't care, about the storyline, and it wasn't that I
don't care about the characters and I didn't care about
like how cool it was for Shirley McClain to be
there and for but like, Curt and Blaine have been
(29:17):
through so much more than this, and it felt so
high school yeah minute in what they've been through that
I was like, why why do I care about this storyline?
So fine about it? Yes, exactly. So it's more of
like Blaine's fear of hurting Kurt, but which I guess
(29:40):
is sweet. But anyway, so June and Blaine they perform
at the dinner and so she's like, I got to
get to know you. I got to know all about
you if I can talk about you and get you
to network. And Kurt's like super's reported, which I love,
and she's going to help him put on a showcase.
But she also tells him to break up with Kurt.
She's been through love and she's been in love many
(30:02):
many times, and I'm like, but wait a second where
she says she has to get to know you, but
then she's like giving you like life advice, like big
life advice.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I don't know, it just feel like we missed a
lot of steps, Like this episode felt like a bunch
of storylines that could have happened in a couple episodes,
Like we skipped to the end of like these significant
plot points.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, where is this going? Where's this going? Now?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
If you could build Rachel being tired of, you know,
the show, or like the show is starting to strain
on her, if you could build this relationship, it'd be
treating her terribly or whatever, or you build the you
know with Blaine and Kurt and June, that dynamic being
strained over some time and then her getting the like
(30:56):
you know, if if she had I'm not a writer.
I don't want to give notes this is however, it's
like sure, Sherley McLean also side note, is so good
in this and I enjoyed watching her just do everything.
She owns every single scene she's in. And I liked
her and Darren together. They were really great together, great,
(31:19):
and she's so funny, very and it was so real.
It was wild. Obviously she's a legend, but imagine, like,
you know, you built that sort of tension between three
of them over a couple episodes, and then when you
think like I'm your biggest advocate, actually get rid of
your boyfriend. It means more totally, but we're running out
(31:41):
of time and season and we probably don't have Shirley
for that many episodes, so we got to can't move in.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
All right, Okay, sorry we're so down on this episode.
I know, I know. I hate to be like that,
but it is like a kind of a filler transition
episode in a lot of ways. Aside there's moments. There's
definitely moments, and I think everybody's doing a really great
job and there's really good performances. But like, we're working
with what we got here. Let's grade some performances. Wake
(32:20):
me up. I don't feel like this tone worked for
this song. It felt like contrasting genre with what I
was seeing on the screen. Yeah, so I'm giving this
a B minus.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I think I would like to repeat what you said earlier.
The caveat or the qualifying statement for all of these
performances is that the recorded versions are awesome. Chris love
all of them. This is grading the performances in the episode. Yeah,
(32:57):
I'd give it a bee do op that thing. I'll
give it.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
And it's hard, it's hard to separate it because, like
I can't stop watching them walk down the hallway with
like a tiny mic kind of like lagging behind them,
but also like it's obviously we love that song. Obviously
we loved Amber and not on it. B plus Yeah,
(33:25):
sorry to say, Story of my Life be plus again, Yeah,
be plus, Peace in my Heart benus Yeah, and then
the Rose B plus. Okay, it's a good average there.
(33:45):
Let's do some tarty takes, some cringe moments. Okay, I
will say the blame thing. It does feel a little grooomy,
just a little bit.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah, I don't And also like just the way that.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Sydney's speaking to Rachel is like it just is like ikey.
It's so ikey to me. I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Well, all the like sort of the show bised stuff.
It's sort of gross. Like the way her agent is
speaking to her is obviously terrible. Yeah, I think all
that is. And yes, some of those things happen in
real life and some of them are that bad. But
(34:32):
it was just like a lot all at once, you know. Yeah,
best dance move. There's not really dancing in this, however,
props to I think I want to give it to
whatever Shirley MacLean is doing in Peace of my heart
because like she's doing crowd work.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah fair enough. I mean I don't think Charlie McLean's
just doing some.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Like leans and stuff. And I was like, you're getting it.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Give it to us, Okay, that's good, surely deserves it all.
The best song. I don't know. I don't. I actually
don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
You know, I may give it a piece of my heart. Interesting, Actually,
I don't know. I liked the version of wake Me Up.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Oh you jad like good on it. I like the
slow version. I just I can't un see the situation
in which it was in. That doesn't feel.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
It's the multiple walking down the hall. Yeah no.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
And I liked a story in my life, like I
love that song.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Maybe I'm gonna go with do up that thing.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Okay, let's do it. I'm just gonna follow the crowd
this week. Best performance by a prop.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I think all the funny girl signs and posters, okay,
bench I.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Was gonna go with the tidy microphone.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Oh god, actually, I think you're right. And Nya holding
the jam.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Box, the gym box, we all have those too, right, Yeah,
what a time? Okay, that's a capsule in time. Best
line Okay, I will say, uh the whole like Song
of Solomon, like the scenarios they were given and the
script in it was so bad, Like I did it appreciate,
(36:30):
Like He's like, Song Solomon is a sci fi space opera.
Andrew Here plays Captain dax Anders who pilots to ship
the Solomon across the Andrometa Galaxy with the glad Roel
of the Star Morian. It's like, it is like so ridiculous,
and there are shows like that, but I appreciated that.
I don't know if it's the best quote.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
But I did, Like, Kurt, You're this huge talent. It's
like Russell Crow and Johnny Carson. No matter how awful
you are, people are always gonna want to work with you.
And you spent six hours a day with her, and
I have yet to receive one text being like, hey,
I'm talking poverty with Bono or Tales of Lunch at
Balthazar with Carl Lagerfeld or Condi Rice.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
That was a good one, go Kurt performance MVP. I
think Leah and Charlote McLain.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah, I think Leah.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I think Leah really had a lot to do here,
and she was like her physical comedy was great, she cried,
like she's do a bit of everything.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yes, I'll take it.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Okay, So Jenna, should we found on TikTok tell me
we're doing things a little differently here. It's not directly
gly related.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Okay, but.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Gigs at gigs, commented Sue Sylvester in Action in twenty
twenty five. And it is a video of an older
gentleman in a full red track suit and sunglasses walking
out of Costco with a full card of beefsteaks, getting
to his limo via red carpet and velvet rope.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
I gotta know this, I gotta know this whole story.
I have to know what is going on. So it
feels like an episode of Glee.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Also of like Curb Your Enthusiasm or Modern Family. It's yes,
very good, so wild, but also yeah, that is so
Sevester in twenty twenty five fully excellent.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Well, I'm so sorry that this was such a downer
from our last few episodes of joy and excitement, but
this one was just a little weird. So thanks for
hanging in with us, and Chris Colfer's episode is next week,
so please tune in with us for all dog Nu
tricks and.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Don't hate us, and that's what you really missed. Thanks
for listening, and follow us on Instagram at and that's
what you really miss pod. Make sure to write us
a review and leave us five stars. See you next time.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
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And that's what you really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to you when that's what you're in this podcast.
Hello Kevin, Hello Jenna. So we're back in New York. Fully,
we are with the backup Plan, and I have lots
of thoughts.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
We have Sherilan McClain, which is crazy, crazy, So let's
get into this because we've been on a really good
run with New York episodes.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Okay, let's get into it. This is season five, episode eighteen.
This is the Backup Plan and it aired on April
twenty nineth, twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Number one song is Still Happy. The number one movie
is The Other Woman.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Never saw it.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
I don't remember this at all. Nicki Minaj is in
it though.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Interesting? Okay, yeah, all right. Glee News is Week. On
April twenty fifth, Darren and Lea attended the Johnson Cancer
Foundation's nineteenth Annual Taste for Cure gala as well as
Ryan Murphy was there and the event was held at
the recent Beverly Hotel in Beverly Hills. Darren performed Crazy
Love Ye, Van Morrison, Interesting and Let It Be, and
(01:18):
Leah joined him after and they sang somewhere after Somewhere
over the Rainbow, and this EP came out because obviously
we know the rest of the episodes released an.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
EP speaking of Somewhere with the Rainbow, How did you
feel about the opening of the oscars?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I loved it. I loved it. I love that She's
sang home.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, I screamed, And I love that.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
They did fine define gravity. I was like here for it.
They looked great, they sounded great. I loved Ariana like
staring at Cynthia that way. We all love that, and
I just I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Ord also because this episode came out on the twenty
ninth of April, Happy birthday, Jenna and Harry the day
before April twenty eighth, and Diana on the thirtieth.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
It was always a busy time for us. So this
episode was directed by Ian Brennan, you know, one of
the co creators, written by Roberto and we have, like
we said, Shirley McLain and like, for some reason a
small appearance from Eric Roberts.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yes, very interesting. Yeah, Okay. The songs are wake Me
Up by Vichi, perform by Rachel Do.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Up, That Thing performed by Mercedes and Santana.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Story of My Life performing Blaine and Kurt.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Piece of My Heart performed by Blaine and June Dollaway.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
And The Rose by Rachel oh Man.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Okay, there are some really fun on facts. So this
episode has the most absent main cast members to date,
with ten characters missing.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Wow. Yeah, there was not a lot of people maybe
lent to the tone of the episode. This is the
first episode in which Sam is absent since his return
in season three. Wow episode eight Hold on to sixteen
And this is the second without rdy ABMs.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Do up. That thing was filmed under the set of
Doctor Phil.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And this is the third episode ever where all the
main characters present in the episode aka Rachel, Kirk, Blaine,
and Santana sing and the first being The Power of
Madonna and the second being New New York.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
And this episode marks the final appearance of Sidney Green. Okay,
so Jenna. This episode, Rachel jeopardizes her funny girl lead
when she auditions for a television pilot. Meanwhile, Mercedes tries
to help get Santana in on her recording deal and
Blame be friends an older, rich socialite.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
All right, okay, let's talk about Mercedes and Santana. Okay,
let's talk about them. Because Mercedes is trying to find
a single on her album, and she said that her
producer doesn't hear a single like on her album, so
the label won't give her the release date that they
have set for her. So of course she's with Santana,
(04:29):
and she has Santana to help her find like her groove,
I guess, and to find a song. And so they
go to the studio and she's like on the clock
and she can't really get it, and we don't really
know what's happening, and Santana suggests that they get out
(04:50):
of the studio and find that New York sound. So, okay,
I understand, I don't I understand this is what I
do understand. I understand Mercedes trying to find a sound
for an album, right like, I understand that, and I
understand why she can't to New York for it. What
(05:12):
I don't understand is does that means getting out of
the studio and singing while doing it down a hallway
and in a bathroom. I'm confused by the bathroom because
that's not New York.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
The elevator, the they do like a whole we were
missing locations here, like you could have been a New
York street or the subway or something.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
We're not afraid of reusing locations. We know this, so
we had to keep it on paramount and the producer
following him with a mic, following them with a mic
in Santana with a boombox.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Look, I know. The show so is constantly aspirational and
wild and fanciful and not necessarily based in reality. Sometimes
I'm fine with that.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
One of my biggest pet peeves in movies and TV
shows is how the music business is represented. And this
is all of those cliches and reasons why I hate
when the music business is like a storyline in something,
because none of it makes sense, none of it. And
(06:38):
I know that's not what the show is about, but
it's like, I don't know, you have other things that
are like a lot of the stuff at the high
School is real, and then even some of the Broadway
stuff is real. None of this music business stuff is accurate.
It is so baffling to me. However, Naya, and we're
(07:00):
doing so many funny things like for us, like Amber
goes scoop to the note, which is what Alex used
to do. Yeah, our vocal producers used to do to us,
and we all used to talk about it. And if
you listen to the show, you've heard a joke about
it before. And she's really going scoop too. And then
(07:21):
like some of the dance moves they're doing and when
they're walking through whatever, I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Know, hallways always yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
But they're doing like our funny I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
You have to do at that point because like it's
kind of there's no real intention behind it, Like there's
nothing clear about this that says I found my groove
in the doop song in the hallway of a New
York recording studio aka Doctor Phil's basement.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
So to make it work, it just isn't. Also like
you know what we're gonna do. This is gonna save it.
We're going to record this song in the bass meant
which also what is the song? Maybe the song's bad, right, I.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Don't think they have the song yet. I think they
just figured out that they have the sound.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Like none of it makes sense. And like also I
don't know what's happening with the costumes. They're back to
dressing Amber like she's twenty years older than she is.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
And Naya's I don't know what she's wearing.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
I don't I don't know what's going on, and.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
What I like about this storyline is like Mercedes is
always super loyal to her friends. I think this is
the important thing here, even in the face of her
own like professional career, something she's always wanted and should have.
She's like, let me have out my girl, because she's
incredible and right, like sits up for her and tries
(08:52):
to get Santana on the track with her, and the
producers like, no, no, you shouldn't do it, and I
don't disagree, Like he had some good points in Tanna's
Santana is trying to be a better person.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And yes, we see this throughout the whole episode.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, like I think you are. I think he's right.
You know I'm going to leave because you know what
I would do in this situation. What you even see
at the end of the episode with Santana and Rachel, which.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I just can't Okay, just keep going and keep going.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
And we'll get back to I think we should talk
about that when we get to Rachel. But yes, agreed,
but she does a nice thing for her by stepping
into the show for her, and at the end of it,
Rachel's like, you know, what do you want to return?
And Santana's like, I don't want anything. I'm trying. I'm
working on me. But that music. That music section was
(09:48):
really tough because it's also like you're not giving like
the dialogue a real fair shot because what you're talking
about makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Well that's it, It's like.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
What are you like? I think Amber and I did
a great job.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah it's not a great but they looked.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Like also something was off with the lip sinking. I
think probably because the.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Whole episode, right, the.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Whole episode was weird. Everyone was over enunciating their words,
but especially in that thing, and it feels like that
had to have been a note from somebody. I also
think they probably were messing up the lips think of
it because it's so many words.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Like a lot of weird ad lives and like underneath
and yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
It was just cutting around it.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I felt confused and I was like, where what journey
were on? Right now? Where are we going with this?
Where is this taking us? Why are we here? It
didn't feel warranted. I just felt like it was filling
the space.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
It felt goofy. Yeah, and I don't mean that in
a good way.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
No, No, I know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
The whole tone of the all these storylines of this episode,
everything felt goofy. It just didn't feel grounded. It didn't
feel grounded in reality.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Like there if there's a reality in the story, the
characters can kind of be elevated and we can kind
of be KOOKI and kind of be weird and do
our whole thing and do our spiels. But when it's
not grounded in that, you lose it loses the the
glee thing that of being able to like suspend the
(11:22):
reality right because it just feels so out of left field,
like out of thin air.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I don't know, maybe I'm being hypocritical. I'm not sure,
but like even how some of the musical numbers were
blocked and filmed, how it was lit, everything just felt different.
And I agreed, I was just a little confused bout
what was going on. It felt like a little senior itis,
like we're at the end of the season here.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
A totally season totally.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
And I also think it's because I've been on like
we've been on such a high, We've we've loved these
past couple episodes in New York, and so this is
like a glaring thing for me. Funny girl.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Okay, it's a success. We know this. And there Rachel's singing,
wake me up. She's bored. She's not. And I wouldn't
say like that's the character or the way she's portraying it, like,
(12:34):
oh I'm bored, but it's the way it's being portrayed,
like like Lee's doing a great job with what she's given,
Like she's done the show for what She's got fifty
something shows under her belt. Now it's not that many.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
She's like a month in or something.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
A month in and all of a sudden she's getting approached.
She's hot, you know, the big a girl. She's hot.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
News people want her an.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Ica, Oh yes, thank you, so so. Richard Kine's there,
he's her agent. It's a very funny scene, but basically
he's like, what do you want? This guy's the limit
And then but we think you have a face for radio.
So really kind of just bringing her down to this
place of like you're not gonna work how you want
to work on TV and film forever and like kind
(13:25):
of like make your way to the next step. She's
feeling like Funny Girls getting a little redundant. Based on
Wake Me Up, where she does this, they show her
coming out night after night to do the show and
it feels repetitive and she's doing the same thing, and
(13:46):
I thought that was cool, but I don't think it
was warranted for the timing of the show that it's
so quickly after. I am glad that Kurt did mention
like this is what you've always wanted you just start
Why are you going to f it all up now?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
It also makes zero sense I think for her character
where totally that like she has been driven from day
one to basically get to where she is. And obviously,
yes she left Nada early to do this, but that
makes sense and is still in line with like what
her dream has been. Yeah, and like you said, you're like,
(14:26):
why would you keep going to school if you're already
like the lead in a show like right that you're
going to school to do that thing right? Right? So
like that makes sense. But then she turns around and
does it again, but with this like TV movie stuff,
and again, like you said, if the story is grounded,
then like they can be crazy and like, yeah, that's
(14:48):
why all of her like leaving Niata early and acting
a little crazy. It's fine because it's within line with
like how she's been for five seasons. Yes, this feels
like totally out of whack for me.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Well yeah, so I mean, like, okay, So for example,
this Paul what's his name.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Lee, Paul black Lee Paul played by Jim Rashers, and
I thought he was so a lot of good guest stars,
like you said Richard Kind. Jim rash was hilarious and
did like a really grounded performance of this.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yes, I loved it. So he comes in. The Fox
exec comes in and says, I, after Rachel's had her meeting,
her very discouraging meeting with her agents, and he says,
there's this show on Fox that a little meta, we
want you to come and test for and uh your
(15:46):
perk before it and blah blah blah. So she's trying
to get out of the show, out of her Broadway show.
He's like, can you make it on Tuesday night? And
she's like, no, I have a show and he's like, well,
you're under study. It's a show. Now, Well, people do
this right, People call out of a show. It's frowned upon.
(16:08):
It's probably a breach of contract realistically, but people call
out her shows for reasons, right, like I just you
don't leave town if you're the star of a show
unless you get approval, which she tried to get out Sydney,
but like didn't work. He was like no, no, no.
She calls out of the show after having a conversation
(16:30):
with Kurt, who I appreciated that conversation of him keeping
it real with her, and flies to La to test
where she didn't get the script and sings a song,
sings the Rose. Now the Rose would have been funny,
(16:51):
but we weren't in on the joke. We didn't know
that it wasn't a singing audition, that there were sides
and it was a space sci fi show. I mean
I got it from their reactions totally, but I wasn't
sure if she's sang the wrong song or it. Like,
I didn't know what they were looking for, and so
(17:15):
it wasn't like, oh, she wasn't supposed to sing like
I just thought like, oh, she's singing, and they're like, oh,
you know this is this is not the right character
you're auditioning for. So that was one two so weird
to be in like a Fox studio room. It's not
how a test really looks, but I could kind of
(17:36):
look like a test. Yeah, but it's just like the
whole thing of the Lee Paul Blatt walking into her
dressing room with unannounced She has no idea he's coming.
Sits down also like so weird to me, like so
many realistics.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Everything was weird. The only thing I enjoyed in this
was like there was some good comedy the two of them.
They were really funny together. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure,
Like Leah was really funny and so is Jim.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
It was great.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
I love seeing Paramount. It's like, oh, that's where we shot,
Like that's where it's clearly everything had to be filmed
at Paramount. At the end of the season, we're not
going to New York again.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Her audition was really bad,
which was actually funny too to like see as an actor,
to watch a bad audition, not to watch her fail,
but like it happens and it's real and it's sometimes
you're just not right for the part. It awful and
you're like, I'm actually like in the middle of an
(18:42):
audition like that, I'd be like thinking to myself like,
let me just excuse myself and do you all a
favor right now, because like we all know this isn't.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Right, you knowing everybody's time.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, like maybe maybe I should just leave. And she
gets stuck in and city calls that her understudy had
uh slipped and hurt her neck, right.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Something like that fell off the stage or something.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, yes, I fell off the lip of the stage
and hurt her neck. And so she he needs she
needs to hydrate and show up and she's in La
and she can't make it back, and so she calls Kurt,
who enlists Mercedes and Santana to help him like stall
the show, figure it out so that she doesn't lose
her job and uh in breach of contract, and so
(19:31):
Santana has an idea to go step in as Fanny Bryce. Well.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Also when Kurt comes in to tell Santana Mercedes is
there offering Santana a recording like a contract so she
can sing on a song with her, I was like,
what is happening. It doesn't happen, none of it well,
because it was like it's not only the music storyline
now like the Rachel's storyline. Also it's cliches about TV
(20:03):
and agent Broadway and Broadway.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Okay, so now we're compounding that right, right, Like two
negatives does not make a positive.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Right exactly. And Santana shows up and turns around and
she's in the Fanny Rice costume and it's just so unrealistic,
like it would never happen like that, given granted she
was hired as the understudy to start, so there's like
at least a piece of it that kind of makes sense,
but like, no, it wouldn't. It wouldn't happen like that,
(20:41):
and after wouldn't tell a producer that she's stepping in.
Santana wouldn't be ready. She doesn't fit into Rachel's costumes.
She looks like she's going on for a concert, not
a musical. I don't I don't fully understand any of it.
I didn't believe a word of it, and so it
(21:02):
just felt very looked out of thin air, not based
in reality at all. She does save the show, I guess,
and apparently she was very good, and apparently Rachel makes
it back to see her in the second act, and
so she's very good and she thanks Santana, and that
very nice scene that you had talked about earlier where
(21:25):
she's like, Okay, tell me what you want, and Santana
very kindly says, like, you know, let's kind of just
start over. And you can see this as a gesture
of like me trying to be a better person, which
is really great. And of course we love a scene
with Rachel and Santana, love to watch them together. And
I appreciated that because I do think that it's nice
(21:50):
to see a character still evolving at this point in
the show, and for a character to continue to have
an arc that makes sense, something something I just I
feel like redeeming in this episode, in this very harsh
episode that feels very yeah. And Rachel has a meeting
(22:17):
with Sydney and she is very prepared for him to
fire her because of what she did. She told him
the truth and you just don't do that and you
don't leave and call out for another audition. It's just
not right. There would also be a second Fanny stand by.
(22:40):
There'd be a stand by and an understudy. I wanted
to ask you the title orle would have more than
one cover, for sure, they generally have two covers. One
would probably be the stand by, which is the one
who goes on the most. But then there would be
another person who also covers Fanny. Because of times like
this and two people are out, which happens, it realistically happens,
(23:04):
So that wouldn't have happened. And that meeting.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Seemed pretty real though that I like that felt grounded
and like shocking in a way. That was yes, because
you know, you just assume like she's gonna get away
with it, She'll get a little but like he was mad.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Yeah, I agree, Kevin. The the producer meeting was Actually
I think it did its job. We were supposed to
feel very downtrodden and taken down by this whole thing.
Like Rachel was really getting more than just a slap
on the wrist and really hit her hard, and it
was kind of it was inappropriate in a way that
(23:43):
I don't think somebody should speak to somebody else, whether
it be a boss to a employee of any kind.
It was more of a hit on her person and
it felt like that. And so I think her response
coming out of that meeting was valid and how upset
(24:06):
she was because she knew she had messed up, and
you know, it happens, but I don't think it called
for that, but I do think it justified her wanting
to take on this show and leave Fanny Brice at
this point because the workplace has then become toxic with
how Sydney's treating her. So therefore then she's going, Okay,
(24:26):
they're going to make a show for me. I got
to get out of here. So sure, none of that
really happens like that, And also like the development deal,
it doesn't really happen like that, but they are Lee.
Paul Black calls her and says, look, we know that
you weren't right for this sci fi show, but we
are going to give you a development deal in which
(24:48):
we're going to create a show around you, which we
will get you the untitled Rachel Barry Project, which I
don't know anything about. I don't know how that ends,
so I am curious how they're going to handle all
of that. But I again, none of this felt real
and maybe and it's also kind of sad because like, yes,
(25:09):
we've worked on Broadway, we've worked in the music industry,
we know how this all works. For people who don't,
that's their take on what happens.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yes, but I also feel like that this show is
generally ground smarter, like getting wittier than that, agreed, and
so it just felt like often that way. And I
think because like the writers have been doing such a
good job of raising the bar of what we've been
seeing right now, and you totally told that. It's like,
(25:37):
that's what you've come to expect, We've adjusted our expectations,
and I'm like, this doesn't meet that, right. But I
do think there's also a trend of, like some of
the episodes, not just in our show in general, when
it gets towards the end of like a long season,
you have a couple of clunkers, and that's fine writing
(26:00):
twenty twenty two episodes a season whatever.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Totally, it just it really it ended my streak for sure.
I think it ended a lot of people' streaks. But
I would be curious to hear people think that's that
we still haven't finished. We have Kurt and Blaine, so
curtain Blaine. Kurt is going to sing and perform at
the renaming of the Nanda Dance Studio.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
For selected to be the performer, Okay, and then just
has Blaine. And you're at the opening of a dance
studio and there is no dancing. You're actually just singing
like a mid tempo song on stools.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
It's really weird.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
It's so strange because those two can do such high
energy performances as well.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
I do. I will say while the song choices, I
didn't think we're quite correct for this. I do love
these songs like I love Waiting Up, I loved Up,
I love Story of My Life like I'm I'm here
for it. But I I just didn't and yeah, exactly
exactly didn't quick fit into the storyline. But there are
(27:10):
episodes where that's going to happen, where we're writing around
you know, we're writing and the songs just happened to
make it in and they do. Yeah, they do. Story
in My Life for Dune Dollaway and June ends up
being and Kurt is obsessed with Dan all the way.
He's like a huge fan, totally aware of like her
body of work. And Blaine's just kind of there for
(27:34):
the ride, and June perks up, which is the Shirley
McLean who is in the show, and she perks up
and sees Blaine and sees his potential and she takes
him under her wing and they go to this charity
dinner together and they decide. She decides she's going to
do a show for him to showcase his talents, and
Blaine very kindly is like, I'm going to include Kurt
(27:58):
or where does Kurt fit in to all of this?
And she's like, no, no, it's not going to happen
like that. Now. I don't think Blaine should have been
afraid to tell Kurt like June doesn't really like you,
because Kurt was like, oh I thought she hated me,
like he didn't even expect her to be in any
(28:20):
this show. So again, I was like confused why they
couldn't just have an honest conversation about it. But I
guess that wouldn't be good TV. I don't know, I.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
I don't know. It's sort of it felt like everybody
was acting out of character and not like if I'm exciting, Oh,
they're acting out of character.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
I just felt like out of sorts completely.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yes, like it didn't make Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
I'm studying that. I was. I was watching it in
sort of each scene that happened.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I was like, wait, what's happening. I also just like
I I to be honest, like I didn't care. I
didn't care, about the storyline, and it wasn't that I
don't care about the characters and I didn't care about
like how cool it was for Shirley McClain to be
there and for but like, Curt and Blaine have been
(29:17):
through so much more than this, and it felt so
high school yeah minute in what they've been through that
I was like, why why do I care about this storyline?
So fine about it? Yes, exactly. So it's more of
like Blaine's fear of hurting Kurt, but which I guess
(29:40):
is sweet. But anyway, so June and Blaine they perform
at the dinner and so she's like, I got to
get to know you. I got to know all about
you if I can talk about you and get you
to network. And Kurt's like super's reported, which I love,
and she's going to help him put on a showcase.
But she also tells him to break up with Kurt.
She's been through love and she's been in love many
(30:02):
many times, and I'm like, but wait a second where
she says she has to get to know you, but
then she's like giving you like life advice, like big
life advice.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I don't know, it just feel like we missed a
lot of steps, Like this episode felt like a bunch
of storylines that could have happened in a couple episodes,
Like we skipped to the end of like these significant
plot points.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, where is this going? Where's this going? Now?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
If you could build Rachel being tired of, you know,
the show, or like the show is starting to strain
on her, if you could build this relationship, it'd be
treating her terribly or whatever, or you build the you
know with Blaine and Kurt and June, that dynamic being
strained over some time and then her getting the like
(30:56):
you know, if if she had I'm not a writer.
I don't want to give notes this is however, it's
like sure, Sherley McLean also side note, is so good
in this and I enjoyed watching her just do everything.
She owns every single scene she's in. And I liked
her and Darren together. They were really great together, great,
(31:19):
and she's so funny, very and it was so real.
It was wild. Obviously she's a legend, but imagine, like,
you know, you built that sort of tension between three
of them over a couple episodes, and then when you
think like I'm your biggest advocate, actually get rid of
your boyfriend. It means more totally, but we're running out
(31:41):
of time and season and we probably don't have Shirley
for that many episodes, so we got to can't move in.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
All right, Okay, sorry we're so down on this episode.
I know, I know. I hate to be like that,
but it is like a kind of a filler transition
episode in a lot of ways. Aside there's moments. There's
definitely moments, and I think everybody's doing a really great
job and there's really good performances. But like, we're working
with what we got here. Let's grade some performances. Wake
(32:20):
me up. I don't feel like this tone worked for
this song. It felt like contrasting genre with what I
was seeing on the screen. Yeah, so I'm giving this
a B minus.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I think I would like to repeat what you said earlier.
The caveat or the qualifying statement for all of these
performances is that the recorded versions are awesome. Chris love
all of them. This is grading the performances in the episode. Yeah,
(32:57):
I'd give it a bee do op that thing. I'll
give it.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
And it's hard, it's hard to separate it because, like
I can't stop watching them walk down the hallway with
like a tiny mic kind of like lagging behind them,
but also like it's obviously we love that song. Obviously
we loved Amber and not on it. B plus Yeah,
(33:25):
sorry to say, Story of my Life be plus again, Yeah,
be plus, Peace in my Heart benus Yeah, and then
the Rose B plus. Okay, it's a good average there.
(33:45):
Let's do some tarty takes, some cringe moments. Okay, I
will say the blame thing. It does feel a little grooomy,
just a little bit.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah, I don't And also like just the way that.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Sydney's speaking to Rachel is like it just is like ikey.
It's so ikey to me. I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Well, all the like sort of the show bised stuff.
It's sort of gross. Like the way her agent is
speaking to her is obviously terrible. Yeah, I think all
that is. And yes, some of those things happen in
real life and some of them are that bad. But
(34:32):
it was just like a lot all at once, you know. Yeah,
best dance move. There's not really dancing in this, however,
props to I think I want to give it to
whatever Shirley MacLean is doing in Peace of my heart
because like she's doing crowd work.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah fair enough. I mean I don't think Charlie McLean's
just doing some.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Like leans and stuff. And I was like, you're getting it.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Give it to us, Okay, that's good, surely deserves it all.
The best song. I don't know. I don't. I actually
don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
You know, I may give it a piece of my heart. Interesting, Actually,
I don't know. I liked the version of wake Me Up.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Oh you jad like good on it. I like the
slow version. I just I can't un see the situation
in which it was in. That doesn't feel.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
It's the multiple walking down the hall. Yeah no.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
And I liked a story in my life, like I
love that song.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Maybe I'm gonna go with do up that thing.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Okay, let's do it. I'm just gonna follow the crowd
this week. Best performance by a prop.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I think all the funny girl signs and posters, okay,
bench I.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Was gonna go with the tidy microphone.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Oh god, actually, I think you're right. And Nya holding
the jam.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Box, the gym box, we all have those too, right, Yeah,
what a time? Okay, that's a capsule in time. Best
line Okay, I will say, uh the whole like Song
of Solomon, like the scenarios they were given and the
script in it was so bad, Like I did it appreciate,
(36:30):
Like He's like, Song Solomon is a sci fi space opera.
Andrew Here plays Captain dax Anders who pilots to ship
the Solomon across the Andrometa Galaxy with the glad Roel
of the Star Morian. It's like, it is like so ridiculous,
and there are shows like that, but I appreciated that.
I don't know if it's the best quote.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
But I did, Like, Kurt, You're this huge talent. It's
like Russell Crow and Johnny Carson. No matter how awful
you are, people are always gonna want to work with you.
And you spent six hours a day with her, and
I have yet to receive one text being like, hey,
I'm talking poverty with Bono or Tales of Lunch at
Balthazar with Carl Lagerfeld or Condi Rice.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
That was a good one, go Kurt performance MVP. I
think Leah and Charlote McLain.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah, I think Leah.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
I think Leah really had a lot to do here,
and she was like her physical comedy was great, she cried,
like she's do a bit of everything.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yes, I'll take it.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Okay, So Jenna, should we found on TikTok tell me
we're doing things a little differently here. It's not directly
gly related.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Okay, but.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Gigs at gigs, commented Sue Sylvester in Action in twenty
twenty five. And it is a video of an older
gentleman in a full red track suit and sunglasses walking
out of Costco with a full card of beefsteaks, getting
to his limo via red carpet and velvet rope.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
I gotta know this, I gotta know this whole story.
I have to know what is going on. So it
feels like an episode of Glee.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Also of like Curb Your Enthusiasm or Modern Family. It's yes,
very good, so wild, but also yeah, that is so
Sevester in twenty twenty five fully excellent.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Well, I'm so sorry that this was such a downer
from our last few episodes of joy and excitement, but
this one was just a little weird. So thanks for
hanging in with us, and Chris Colfer's episode is next week,
so please tune in with us for all dog Nu
tricks and.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Don't hate us, and that's what you really missed. Thanks
for listening, and follow us on Instagram at and that's
what you really miss pod. Make sure to write us
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