Trevor Jackson On Personal Stories: Drug Dealer Mistakes, Father's Advice, & Ex-Encounter + More
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What's up? His way up with Angela Yee. Finally, Trevor Jackson.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
With us Reunited and it feels.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
So good reunited. Listen, Trevor Jackson. I was thinking about,
like what, You're not even a triple, you know, people
always say triple with that, You're like a quintuple because
if you think about everything you've done Broadway, you know, acting, writing,
also singing, directing, I mean, you do it all.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I'm happy that I have multiple outlets to express myself.
You know, it really helps. It helps out the hard
areas of my life. So when I'm able to either
write a song or shoot a scene that I'm able
to release some of that tension.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It's that everybody gets from just being alive. It's a gift.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
We all have.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
You're absolutely right put me on this rock in the
middle of space and telling me that I'm just supposed
to be cool with it.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
And you're always very pleasant to everybody too, which I like, Like,
I've seen your inter actions with people, and I think
that's that's such an amazing thing because you've been in
this business for twenty years and you're still in your twenties.
But a lot of times people can get very jaded,
and it doesn't feel like you're jaded.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
No, I mean, I love people.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I think the only time you get like that is
when you and I was having this conversation the other day,
but I was like, when the cameras are on you
and the lights are on you, and everybody's looking at you,
start to think it's about you. But when you know
that it's a conglomerate, it's a community of things, and
you I was put.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Here to do duty, then you then you treat everybody
with that. You know what I'm saying. But it's like
I feel like when people start thinking.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Hey, I'm that, I'm you know, idolizing yourself, you kind
of fucking fucking don't care.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
You know what I mean, It comes out. But I
definitely always want to respect humans.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I know that I've been through a lot, so for
me to still be alive, I know that anybody my
age or older or whatever, eighteen nineteen, you got.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
To go through some stuff to keep going. So I
respect that and people.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Isn't it amazing to be like twenty years in this
business but you're still in your twenties.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Birth nine days I think today.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
He said, I think what is today twenty second? No?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
No eight?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Oh wow that August thirtieth. That's Meato's birthday too. Yeah,
so you guys.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Have virgos, Yeah, virgos.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You think you have virgo? What's virgo qualities?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
My virgo quality is I'm uh, I think, I guess
I'm particularly when it comes to my creative But my
life is not virgo.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Like you know what I mean, I'm messy.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, we know we're gonna talk about it. Don'try.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I meant messy as in my room is messy. What
the hell? What the heck? But no, just like my
crib and like I don't like tidy.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Okay, like on the moon, But that probably if you're
messy and untidy, then your life is probably also a
little messy too.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
For sure. I'm getting there, though, I'm perfecting trial and error.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Now. First of all, your hoe, the way you even
started off and shout out to Nia she is she
just app starring in The Lion King on Broadway. She
was playing Nala. That's my friend's daughter. Yeah, and so
you started off really on Broadway and the Lion King,
and that is such a huge role to have to play.
I actually had the opportunity to go do like while
(03:13):
she was on Broadway, to go and do like a
walk through back. Yeah, the whole tour. It was amazing.
But just to think about a young Trevor Jackson playing
that role, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Man, I loved it. It's the whole first hour of
the show, so it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
And then we had school too, so it was like
you wake up, got to school from eleven to four,
you get like an hour break, then you gotta go
to the theater and start setting up, getting makeup done,
all this stuff, and you have the show. And I
remember I had done eight hundred and forty something shows
by the time I was done.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I was eight years old to eleven years old.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I was on tour performing that and sometimes if the
other Simba is sick or whatever, I gotta do his
shows because it's.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
So it was definitely experienced, but it trained me for
all this stuff I gotta do now, like here, we
gotta go here, we gotta do this.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
So I'm used to putting in the work, which is good.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
And then as a kid, though at that age, I
have to imagine that sometimes you just did you ever
just say I don't feel like doing this never, okay,
we can.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I used to cry if I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Like one time I fractured my foot while I was
on tour and I tried to act like I didn't
hurt it, and they were like, we.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
See limp, and I'm so dramatic.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I was a dramatic as kid.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, so your parents are always very supportive of this
is what you wanted to do it because that also
for parents, that's a big responsibility too.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I say, my mom was and my dad kind of
jumped on later. My dad wanted me to hoop.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Your dad wanted me to be, you know, a hooper.
And it wasn't up until like two years ago, three
years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
He's like, okay, okay, we go on.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Not up until two or three years ago he should
have been let that.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Govern But uh yeah, no, it's it's it's hard though
for you know, from Indiana, it's not the biggest town.
And so when someone says to you, hey, to move
to l A and you know, people in my family
like thinking, my mom's taking me away out knowing like, hey,
this is what I want to do, you know. So
at first it was a little difficult, but I just
(05:05):
can't live with all doing it.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, and just to see the growth that you've had.
When I first met you, it was when you were
on Atlantic Records.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
When we met, I was fifteen.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
You were fifteen years old and he had just signed
to Atlantic. That's crazy. And so they were like, Okay,
we're going to do some media training, but you already
were really good. That's why I was like, he's fifteen,
but he's pretty good at like being entertaining and engaging
and answering these questions. But the one thing I think
at that time, and I know you've said this is
the music that you were creating.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Oh I wasn't creating it.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
That's the problem, right, wasn't you?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah exactly. It was stuff that was written. And I mean,
you get it.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
We live in this time where people it's even like movies,
everything's a remake. So when you go into these labels,
how can we remake Chris, How can we remake tra songs?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
How can we remake blah blah blah, And let's do
the same thing they did. And that's just kind of
like what I was feeling. And I woke up when
Dan was like, yo, I don't want to die.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I feel like I wasted this time in my life
and not being real and honest with myself.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
So I had to leave called credit like, hey, man,
appreciate you, love you.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
And listen. But it seems like it's working out. You
seem like you're much happier. Yeah, yeah, on your own.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, And I had to. I'm still becoming a man,
you know what I'm saying. I don't think everybody is.
I think you're always growing, always evolven is.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, grow.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
But I feel like I'm I had to, you know,
step up and take handle of my business and become
a businessman and hire my own team and really, you know,
put put some stake in and put everything I got.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Everything I'm making from TV.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
And movies is going back into the music, is going
back into videos, going back into the publicist, you know,
so starting to get into that space.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
And yeah, I want to I want to be the
Apple Loaf. You know what I'm saying. I love Steve Jobs.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, And it's always kind of a hard transition when
you started doing this at a young age. People know
you from like Disney, they know you know, for different things,
and then they have to see you grow up and
also grow up with your music. They're like, why is
because even when I see you, you're always like fifteen
year old I know, Trevor to me, but you're not
fifteen anymore. Yeah, a little older. And we'll talk about
(07:08):
the music because that definitely reflects because you were a
no fifteen year old side piece.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
But what actually was no?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
What you were not?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I'm sure most men they probably won't tell you, but
most dudes were in that spot.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
You know. Remember Pleasure P had the song Boyfriend Number
two that was like the epitome.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I freaking love that song.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
We know it's very good. I'm confused, do you like
being in that spot or do you not?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Like?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I think it's Catch twenty two right, because you get
to get the cake, but you don't got to do
the responsibility part of it. And then but that's how
I feel like humans are. It's like, what you can't have,
you end up wanting.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Right. So it's like, hey, we're kind of talking, I
get to go over here. But now I'm like, I
hate the change in her voice when she's talking to him.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
It's a little softer, it's a little more caring, and
I'm like, hey, why isn't she am I not worthy
of that?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
You know? It could be that.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
So it's how do you hear her talking to him
you on the phone or.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
She's been I've had a girl like with me and
then call her dude while.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
She's Wow, you really lose I carefully, Shit, I don't.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
No.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I do want to say, like, it's complicated the project
that you put out, that's like a movie.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, it's real, it's real, and that the song Guy
on the Side was kind of the catalyst for the
album because I wrote that and it was real. I
was just like, Yo, you're trying to like sell me
on this dream, Like, hey, I don't really care I am,
but I'm like, I just yeah, you kind of just
pushing and pulling and pushing and pulling. So I was like,
don't send me to love. You know, I cannot buy
when I'm just the guy.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
On the side. We can, we can pretend all day,
but you end up going back to him, right.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
So that was kind of the catalyst of the project.
And then yeah, the records just started coming.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
But you can't really trust somebody that if you were
like the side guy, I know what happens and it
does work out sometimes.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Oh, you're saying, like, if I was the side guy
and she's and then we end up being together, we
can trust her.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Can you really trust anyone? Don't do that, I'm asking you.
I think that it starts off not trusting that way,
because you're always gonna think, like, in the back of
your head, she's not here, she's on a tip with
her friends. But is she really on a tip of
her friends. And then when she, you know, tells you,
I'm going to do this, you have to think she
was telling her man she was going to do this.
(09:11):
So I think it starts off in a place of
not trust. Usually you start off in a place of trust,
and then somebody, Yeah that's I don't know that that's
a solid foundation. And I know that people will say,
oh it happened, Oh my mom was the side piece,
and and and usually we hear about the woman being
the side piece, you know, and not normally the man,
because men, y'all act like you like it too, Like yeah, yeah,
(09:35):
guys would act like it's a good thing. Her man
let him take care of that. Yeah that long.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Until somebody you really like, you know what I'm scause
it canna be somebody we just went around, but somebody
really liking You're like.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Damn, I'm laughing long time. We like the same food. Like,
oh but she can't be mine?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Right? Yeah? So how did that? Because this is a
real story and you've.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Been to the stories?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Did how many sides? How many times? Oh my gosh,
you a career.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Side I'm not a career side guy, but I just
always kind of ended up in that in that spot.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Why is that? You think is it the energy you're
putting out?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
No, I think it's because I'm not in those times.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Like people that I was talking to, I made it
clear like hey, I'm not interested in that, and they
didn't wait for me, but they still like me, you
know what I'm saying. So they're like, hey, I want
something solid that's consistent, that I can depend on and
that's gonna be there for me.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
And I can't fulfill those needs.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
You just didn't want to exactly, Okay, because you can't.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I can't. I can't, but definitely not. I'm just ye,
I'm moved. But yeah, man, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I don't know why guys do that. Like when they
started dating you, they think automatically you want to be
in a relationship, so they let you know, look just
so you know I'm not trying to do this, and
then later on they try to come back and say, actually,
I do want that.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
You guys do that too, You guys do that too.
I've experienced that, like, hey, I have one girl. That's
why I wrote the record Forget about Me. Was that
she literally looked at me and said just fuck me,
forget about me. And I said, what did you say?
She said, get about me and just bla blah, And
I was like, are you allowed to cuss on here?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, just cussing away. We're no cousin aloud.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
He said the worst one sometimes, but yeah, I couldn't
believe it. And then she ended up we ended up
really like being togethered, and she wanted to like you're Marri.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
And shitn't I can't?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Why can't you?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Well that wasn't the person for me. Okay, you know
what I'm saying. It's one of those I.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Did this thing where I like, I get out of relationship,
I find something and hold it so tight and then like, oh,
I'm just holding it tight because I'm trying to either
heal from the past thing or I'm trying to like
just feel something, and then you end up being around
that person and you know they're coming around more like
I don't really like you and we don't have the
same things in common, and and I wanted to go
(11:38):
back to that part you were saying, uh, being on
the side, I feel like, once you find it, you
cannot be that.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
For the right person, you know what I'm saying. Like,
I feel like the right person you can you can
stay with you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
But if it's not, if it's not all the way there,
then that's when people get Sorry people, but I think
it is possible to you.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
No, it's interesting because this whole project is complicated, right.
You start up with find out and then you talk
about how people have this preconceived notion maybe women hear
something about you what Angela.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Said, I'm messing you where you hear this at I know, but.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
You know people will have a yeah, they should find
out And so what do you hear about yourself that
you're like, oh, that's not me. Because people do have
an impression now too. You know, the artwork has you
hiding under the bed while she's with another dude.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
You know, so there's two things I've had.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I've had so many people come up and be like,
oh I heard about you, and I'm like, we just met.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Can you just get your own opinion right, you know?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
And then it's on the acting side of things, people
will be like, yo, you're nothing like the guy and
super fun I said, guys, I'm an actor, right.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I don't sell cocaine. It's not a thing I do.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
I had to do really come up like, hey, bro,
if you need that, you know, I'm really like that
in the movies movie I said, guys, this isn't real.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
It's so funny. Well, you do a great job.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
But I was cracking up.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
I was I was at the bowling and the dude
little to be like, yo, I got if you need
to move some I was like.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Dude, what I don't do that? God bless you.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
And okay, I know somebody if you need to need
to get some ship moved, so okay. But aside from that,
when it comes to women, like do you think that
they look at you and think you're a player automatically
or that you don't want to be in a relationship.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, I think well, because I do music and I'm
seeing kind of like secular music. You know what I'm saying.
They have an opinion and the way I look. But
I've had so many people come.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Up and be like, you're just so down to earth
and right, I'm not a dick. I love people and
I want to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
And even when we were waiting outside, some people came
up and they were like, I just wanted to say hi.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
We just didn't want to buy that. I was like, please, like,
feel free anytime you see me, m m. You put
the cape on.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Where and you have the cape on? You know what? Else?
I want to talk about the movie Burning Sands, because yeah,
that was an amazing, amazing movie. You did a great
job in that, and it's it's a it's kind of
different from other movies and roles that you've play but
you didn't go to college, right.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I did not go to college.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
So talk to me about that role and like how
things like how that might have changed you. Things changed
a lot.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
I was gonna quit acting right before that I did
American Crime. Before that, I was gonna quit, and so
then I did American Crime and it's okay, I kind
of love acting again.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And then I did Burning Sands and I just I
changed for the better because I really like.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Dove into that. That's probably the deepest I've dove into
like a character, like a role. Like I wasn't sleeping
because when I'm talking to these people who.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Played like, yo, yeah you don't sleep, sleep and.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
You know, I'd be in the bathroom like just kind
of like marking myself. And I remember my mom came
in the room on time.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I was like, yeah, she was like, what's going on there?
And I came out and I was just like I
was in the zone. You just came into the danger zone.
Just let me get my ship here. But yeah, so
that was a really cool, cool experience. And I feel
like I becaming man. That was my first time too.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
It was all dudes on the set, so there's a
lot of tistops, a wrong we're all and but became
brothers and it was a really really amazing experience and
some of those guys are still you.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Know, Yeah, pledging is a wild thing. I just remember
being in college and when people have to pledge, they're
not sleeping, they're doing things that are they're.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Covering up like abused, abused spouse. I like, I just
hit the pool. It just fell down the stairs. No,
you didn't.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Man. My ex boyfriend he pledged, and I remember they
would make him drive from like college to college to
do people's laundry, to do their homework. And one day
he hadn't slept it all. He crashed because he was
driving from one school to another school and he hadn't slept,
and he totaled his car.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Die to be a part of a you know, I mean,
it's never worth it. You gotta I mean, it's not
worth it to die, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Right, Yeah, not to not pledge.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
But let's not die trying to pledge.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
If you think if you went to college, you would have.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Pledged after the movie, probably before I was like fraternities,
like I wasn't, you know, But then I was learning
the history and the beauty of the community. But I
don't believe that you have to take it as far
as some people do. And I think it's just like anything,
you know, if you're playing sports, some people do steroids,
maybe some don't. You know, I'm not saying everybody's bad,
(16:05):
but they're like in our film, the opening scene, that river,
three people died in that river because they were pledging
trying to swim across and wow, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
When is it worth that?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
When is it definitely not that? That's wild? Yeah, you know,
it seems like you're the type of person that likes
to know the history of things too when you yeah,
with everything that you do kind of I mean, like,
I know you do martial arts.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Okay, yes, love martial arts.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Bruce Lee's right here bing bang bunk and I've done
cople with it for about eighteen years now, which is
all the African slaves that were brought to Brazil or
we're not allowed to train martial arts, so they disguised
it as a dance and hopped around.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
So when the slave masters asked what they were.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Doing, see what I mean, we're just fooling around, We're.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Just acting a fool. But really they were training to
overtake the slave masters.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
And but it means a lot more when you can
do something and there's a history.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Oh yeah connected to it and being black. I mean,
it's just there's so much that comes with that.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Well, what does martial arts do for you in your
everyday life? Like as far as focused, as far as dedication.
I'm also knowing if you got to fight somebody, right.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I think for me it's service.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I think when I'm doing martial arts, like with my teacher,
my master, shout out master, shout out master, with Nico.
But I feel like it's one of the few times
that I'm not worried about me. And you know, through
my life, I'm like, I gotta perform, I gotta go
to the interview. But this I'm like, hey, how can
I help the school? How can I help my teacher?
And that gives me a service. I feel like I'm
doing more of the serving part, which is a refreshing feeling,
(17:27):
and it feels really good to be a part something
bigger than me. And like you said, it's connected to
so much history and you can feel it when you're
in those rooms and they're playing and the music is going.
It's it's it's intense. You should come next, timmer in La.
I'll take it a little something.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Really, is it like a beginner connect? Okay, good, it'll
be sick though.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I think you enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, I would love to a little cultural experience. And
that also could help you with your roles too, right,
Like I know you you had to do that, yes,
super Fly you had.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I was already doing that.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
So I feel like something like this is going to
happen because I could see Trevor Jackson doing something that
is going to be more focused on that. Would you
would that be something that you would love?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, Marvel.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I want to be a Marvel something, DC something, any
type of superhero where I'm fighting and it's my dream.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I'm gonna put that in the atmosphere.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Oh yeah, oh yeah. I saw Deadpool Wolverine four times
the week it came out. Absolutely loved it.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
And that guy's journey, Ryan Reynolds, of being somebody who
fought for it made it. Now, you just made a
billion dollars in the first week and I had and
you fought for that.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
They told me couldn't do it. They were like you can,
and He's like, I'm gonna do it. And he made it,
put his own money into it, produce it.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
And I didn't realize how involved he was in the
writing process or involved he is in the you know
he's and that's why it's so good.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Did you see it?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah? I saw that. I want to say, see what
I mean though you just researched everything we just talked about.
You have all this background information on it and you
may not realize it. You actually like everything that you're
talking about that you want to do, you have, it's
not superficial.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's real. It's real, for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
It's all I'm saying. Now. The music. Let's get to that,
all right, because that's a big deal right now for
you having become independent and also writing your own music
and working with your brother, yeah a lot as well.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Amazing, it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
So and also being able to talk about real life things.
Is it hard to talk about real life things too,
because sometimes some of that could be a little bit
like should I be?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah? I think it's kind of the only place I
feel comfortable enough to talk about it. You know.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I feel like when I meet people, I'm a little like, yeah,
I'm open and easy going, but when it comes to
like my life, I'm kind of like I have a
hard time expressing, I think sometimes. But when I'm in
there and it just flows out, you know, that's that
to me is the best time. And I think the
fans and even not fans with people who are seeing
me do it it just matches up more me and
the music because it's coming from me, and yeah, like
(19:44):
I said, all these are experiences that happened, like from
a distance.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I was talking to this young lass and.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
She she like just cut me off out of nowhere,
and I was like, what's going on? And I remember
I hit her up and I'm like, yo, where are
you att I was linking and she was like, I'm
good love enjoy and didn't talk to me for like.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Five six months. Something happened. Something happened, because no one
just does that. Cheva, what did you do?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
I didn't do anything, but I'm pretty sure she probably
thought or somebody might have said something to her to
where she just thought I.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Did something, you know what I mean? But I didn't.
It wasn't my girlfriend or none.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
But we were talking, okay, so maybe she found out
somebody else she was talking to and then yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I'm good love and joy is crazy to be the
last thing to say to somebody.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
By the way, that's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I'm good love enjoy. So the song I'm good Enjoy,
I wish you will.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I love that though. And Eric Bellinger is on this
project as well, And now you guys have a great
relationship from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I want to talk about him.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
He is one of the few black men in this
industry that has, like I feel like, done what I
hope to do when I reach, you know, wherever I'm
trying to reach. But it just he saw me, you
know what I'm saying. And I've been doing this for
so long, and I respect him so much because he's
a genius songwriter, genius artist. And he was like, yo,
your shit's dope, and he kept hitting me up like
(21:08):
I was putting up. He's like yo, yo, like you're
really killing and this just meant a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
And then he took me.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
On toward them and he called me and I was like,
of course, I'll go on tour. And when I went
on tour just to support I've been on tour with
other artists and they hate me because I'm killing.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I'm doing crazy at the show, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
But I've had artists that I've opened up for and
be like, hey, he does too much, like don't let
him flip or that's crit don't let him sing this
song because they what you know what I'm.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Saying, that's so hated, like step up your show.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, sorry, And that's why a lot of people don't
don't want that. But Eric Bellinger was so supportive and
his show was so amazing.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
We just meshed perfectly.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
And he helped me with the album too, So two
records we wrote together. But I had a whole list
and he was like, come over, let's go through him.
We're only putting smashes on here. And so I went
over there and he was like, yes, take that up,
put that in there, boom, and he kind of helped.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Me curate it and added a few here and there.
But it's a support level and he's an amazing father
and husband, and he's.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Just as great as far as like him, like staying
at the mix but being in the mix and nothing
like everybody loves and respects him. And I only hear
positive things about you know what I'm saying in the business,
and every time he's been but he's even done lip
service and it hasn't been too you know, he hasn't
been too well. Yeah, happily married.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
He's a he's a really really good dude, super super talented,
and I our relationship means a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
To me for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Okay, Now, what is it that Trevor Jackson wants? Like,
what is it that you want that would make you
feel like, because I can't tell relationship wise, and I'm
only asking this because this is what the album is.
Clearly it's complicated about that. But I'm not sure what
you want, Like, do you want to be happily in
a relationships?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I want kids?
Speaker 3 (22:46):
You do okays? And I want to eventually direct star
composed my.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Own film okay like Charlie Trevor, And I feel like
you could also. I feel like you can get an egot. Yeah,
for sure, you know, because you have the ability to
do that. Would you go back to Broadway?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
It's hard, and it's so hard.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I just did eleven day run on for Tap Dance
Kid at the New York City Cinemato and that was
the beginning of last year.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I think it was one of the hardest things I've
ever had to do.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Right, It's a challenge, but nothing from a challenge in
yourself sometimes.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, But my thing is there's no life because I
want to be so good, Like I can't talk after
the show, I can't go hang out. I gotta go home, sleep,
go to the show, don't talk. Well, you know, it's
just the living aspect too. I also want to be happy.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I thought you've been working for so long. Yeah too, Like,
when have you ever taken time off? Because consistently you've
been booked and busy.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, I've taken I think the longest I've done was
like a month. Went to Hawaii for like a month.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Oh wow, I was a Maui and just but that's
like in all that time, you've only had a month.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, I don't. I really don't take vacations. I need
to do better with that.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
But for sure, and maybe when you find well, when
you have a wife, yeah, and kids might not be
too far away. Uh oh, is something going on? Something
going on away? But I do want to say, okay,
missus Jackson.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
But I do want to say that there is the
music that I'm making. Obviously when I make it, it's
coming out.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Later, right, right, So this's been happened.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
So this is I was these are a while ago.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
And then I have two other albums that I'm working on,
and one is we're not working on that are done.
One is a breakup album which is supposed to be
the prequel to what this album is.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Okay, so yeah, that's why we're and then this complished.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
That's why we're still because we used to be together
and we broke up, but we still kind of have that.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Oh my god, imagine going from the main to the
side that happens all the time. Look at it.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
You just thought, sorry for you, man, And then the
album after that.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Is like, Okay, I'm done with her, I'm back outside,
I'm having motion and this is what you did to me.
You turn me into this thing.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
You know what. People would never think that you would
have issues when it comes to dating.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I think humans were humans.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
But people wouldn't think that. They'll be like, oh, tap,
it could be with anybody, Like no, any you would
think any woman would be like I'm gonna break up
with him for you.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yeah, I've had that And I was like, don't do
that because I'm not gonna take care ofus. She's like,
you're gonna take camera.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
No, She's like, gonna be my boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Okay, this is a real story.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
You're in the studio having a good time, things are
going good, you know what I mean, and uh, you know,
about to leave.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
She's like where are you going? She's like, well, can
you expect me to just go back home? My boyfriend? Like,
what do you want me to do? That he's probably
gona bring up and you're gonna beat. You can be
my wofriend. No, ma'am, no man, but God bless you.
I had a great time and hopefully we see each other.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Oh my god, I'm good love and joy.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I'm good, love and enjoy.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
You hit it with that.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I'm good, love, enjoy.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Do you talk to like your mom and your dad
about your relationship? Do you?
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I do. My dad's better to talk to than my mom.
She's uh, she's yeah, she's old school and she's yeah,
not the best person to doing with that. She's great
in other areas. But my dad, my dad will give
it to me. I remember one time I called my
dad crying Russell and he.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Was like, son, every woman has a maintenance man. I said,
what what do you mean? Listen to what I said?
So every woman has a maintenance man some of the
best advice ever give.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
So maybe you are the maintenance man.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
That's what I'm saying. I've been This album is up
from the maintenance Man.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
But I think as a younger man, it was like
a movie The maintenance Man. That could be starting Trevor Jackson.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
That could be cool, kind of like a hit ride
but like maybe like jigglo too.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, I can see that for you, Okay, But I.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Think the hardest thing for men when you're growing up
is to realize that women are human because we look
at you guys so higher than us. I think when
you're growing up, you know your princesses, your things, and
our job is to serve and help. And then then
when you guys do human stuff like hey, I feel
like we're like devastated because we don't think that's you know,
(26:53):
And I had to grow into that and realize, hey,
we are all you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
So it took me a minute to get there.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, you feel maybe you're going to be in an
open relationship.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
No, I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't.
I thought about the stated I've thought about it. I
just can't.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
What I just can't. I can't. Like if we were
in something and I want to do something, like, I
just don't want to be separated.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
It just feels like it's losing that the reason why
you whistle in the first place, and it's not about
the sex.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
It's just about you guys being together.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
You know what I'm saying, now, let's talk about this tail.
All right, this chip.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
You're talking about it since I've had it.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Yeah, like it.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
We know.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I didn't say that you don't like it, And.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I said I would cut it off at nipple length.
And it's almost there.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
It's almost. It's fast, it's fast.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
It's bad. I try to act like down here, I
got low hanging nipples. I got so no.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
But honestly, let's talk about this tail. So now, what's
what's the plan with this tail?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
The plan is until I get a roll so big
that I have to cut it off. Marvel, Marvel, please, Hey,
Miles Morales, I could shave. I'll have Puerto Rican anyway,
is Dominican? Is he Dominican or Puerto Rican? Moles brows Jamaican?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Somebody google it either get Dominican. He's Hispanic.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
He is Suspanic, Hispanic and bloody. Anyway. I would love
to play that.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
So now, two more projects on the way, one of
those coming out. I feel like you just are like
so pouring into your music so much. I can't even
imagine you taking a break to do a movie.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
But the good news is because all the music is recorded,
you know, That's that's why I always like to have
stuff in the back too. Because of our film, we
got singles, we got records, you know, we got artillery.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
So that's always good.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Like the Tupaca YEA R and B.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I was just we were talking about Tupac last night
and talking about how he had a hard time getting
out of his rolls.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Right. I could see that when he did Bishop, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
They said that even when they YO cut, he'd still
be like.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Right, well, yeah, you you play some rod. But that
one go ahead. It's a Valentino born in Roma by Valentino.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Now, you talked about wanting to have Grammys. What are
some things that are on your bucket list that you
haven't achieved. I know you want to write, direct, produce movies,
but what else do you want to do?
Speaker 3 (29:18):
So, yeah, the Grammys, the Oscars and Superhero And I
want to do a documentary called Chasing the Barrel, where
I travel the world trying to find the best barrels surfing.
Oh okay, yeah, sorry, it's called the barrel when the
water goes over you and you're inside of it. So
I want to take like me and people from all
different walks of life and.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
How surfing has helped them. Okay, surfing has saved my life,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
It really just helps me get back to ground zero, unplugged,
and just get connected with the flow of what's going on.
And when you're in this industry, you're always and I
go out there and I see family, a dolphin family,
a pelican, and I'm like, everybody's.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Just doing their things.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
So this was your Hawaii one month trip that you
do Okay, Okay, I was gonna say, you must have
been doing that every day.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
You knowing. Hawaii actually didn't serve that. When I was there.
There just wasn't waste for some reason.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
But I was going to like different cliffs, cliff jumping
and different sites where they used to meditate and stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
There was this river that I went to that was
really really cool.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
They said like the ancient Hawaiians would go there and
they would like, you know, pray and stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
And I remember I sat in that river for like
four hours and I was like crying.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Wow, I wasn't doing nothing, didn't I didn't know much room,
and I was just They're chilling and I was feeling
like those feelings when you do when you do the dreams.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I was like, what is happening? Pretty powerful stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
That's amazing. It feels like you need some of those
times because this business can really way a way on you.
And you've been through a lot, even just leaving the
label and having to go independent, and that's tough. People
don't understand. I mean, it's tough to be on a
label and not get what you feel like you deserve
and what you need and also not be able to
have your own voice. But then it's also tough to
(30:50):
have to do it on your own. You know, you
have to pick which is you're going to be your
poison exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
But I think when you do it on your own,
you don't live in the past or like in grit
and when someone.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Else do it, you're like a man, you know. So
I'd rather lose on my own accord, for sure, But
I'm not gonna lose.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah you're not. I mean, you're good. You already one.
Now you also study your own podcast? Yes, yes, I
did that.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
God, Yeah, I do have a podcast. Yeah, check it out.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
It's called The Scenic Route Me and my brother. I
think the best part about it is that I get
to talk with my brother. We're both so busy and
he does a lot of the creative and business side
with my music, so every time we talk.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
It's work, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
And I missed the brother time when we used to
be in the bedroom playing wrestling or watching different movies
and us having that since we were little. So we
kind of get to rekindle that as we're talking, and
we don't we try not to do too much points.
We just kind of like shoot the ship and talk
about different stuff, and it's a it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
It's amazing to be able to do.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I always set up my brother was a big basketball player,
made broke a bunch of records at the school, and
my dream was always played basketball with him, and I
never got to. So now I get to do life
in business with him. So it's kind of like we're
on the same team still.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
So nobody you could trust, like your own family, well.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Some family can't, true, but I'm thankful for my family
I could trust. But I know some people are like, no,
you're right, what your sister did? What do you She's like, yeah,
we hate each other.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I'm like, what listen? People calling for tell us a secret?
All the time, and they'd be like I slept with
my sister's man, and you know, and you'd be like,
damn family.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Like I've seen sisters like that, Like I've been over
maybe to see somebody and their sister walk by and
like booty shorts on purpose, like.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
And of course you didn't.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Ever, of course I didn't. I don't do that. I'm
a good dude.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Mm feels like acting all right.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Feels like Shakespeare in the Park.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I know you've done some foul things though, of course
I'm a human, right, He's like, I leave it at
that next ablish. Let me drink my soda.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
That's right, Sprit's good you guys like right.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Well, Trevor, it's always such a pleasure. I could sit
down and shoot this ship with you.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Awesome. You really are awesome, and you've always been sweet
to me and kind to me, and uh, you're your admirable.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I admire you and how much work you put in
and it shows and that's why people come and want to,
you know, be a part of what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Thank you. That is something I've been wanting to get
you up here for so long. And I feel like
this podcast. I love the fact that people get to
see like your personality. Also understand your backstory where you
came from. Because you work so hard, you know when
people need to understand that and realize that. And I
have to also.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
So she's iced out, y'all. I don't know if you guys.
Can you guys see her? She's iced out.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
My nails aren't done though, Get my nails done, that's
what I want to do today. You're iced out too well.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I'm trying to get like you wait, hold on, let
me see what is that.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
It's a hammerhed shark, but I lost the paint brush.
It's a hamdrhed sharuck biting a paint brush. Okay, I
mean because it's my company's born art and sharks, because
sharks will die if they stop swimming my whole life.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
They told me to slow down.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
See look at him doing his research again. I told
you he researched. He doesn't even really.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I didn't realize I really did it. And now that
you said it, I'm like, wait, wait.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Like everything you have is like an explanation. How many
all of them?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
It's all this my chest and in my back and
I got ninja turtles right here.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
That's how you love teenage turtles.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
It's the martial art aspect and it's the brother aspect.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
I feel like I grew up with a lot of men,
and I like to see men loving on each other
and not being weird like and we need more of that.
And I feel like that was like a.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Good we need more turtles. Turtles, Come on, man, thank you.
You got to come back like every time. Honestly, you'd
be a great co host to I would love to. Yeah,
oh my god, now that would be amazing.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Lions are tigers? Are bears? It's your favorite animal? That
would be my first question.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
No, I say tigers.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Tigers?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Why why so you like the bears?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Lie?
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Okay, well you were in the Lion King. You were
a lion.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I was for three years.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
It's not fair. I say tigers because I like tiger prints.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
And it's more, you know, that's we're fitming in, you know,
tigers or more?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Are they?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:03):
They will kill you.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
But more than a lion though. They got a little
more sex appeal to them than the line.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I think no one likes beers.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
A lot of people like bears. My brother likes bears.
They're they're like dogs, they're big as dolls.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
No they're not. Don't play with no bear.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Don't play with a bear like if you're Russian though,
if you are Russian, dull.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
If you are Russian, bears don't kill you for some reason?
Are we see old Russian dudes playing with bears in
the fucking forest? And then biggers don't get eaten?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Did you see cocaine bear?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Oh? Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Now that's a hYP of bear. I know I haven't
got a beer and you can sell them some cocaine.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Calm down here, I got what you need.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I got what you need. Well again, thank you so much.
And guys, make sure you stream. It's complicated if you
haven't already. And then we have the Creekweel coming soon?
Is that what's next?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yes? Prequels the breakup album, very very sad. And when
we get off your all play.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Oh, I can't wait to hear it. Do you cry
during the breakup?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
What?
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Men don't like to admit that?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Oh? Men need to all me and they should cry more.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
My dad blately has been crying a lot, and I said,
Dad's because fifty years.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
You've not cried. Bro, you've been Try.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
And buy your lip, but no, dude, I went through
my breakup two weeks after I tore my achilles. So
I have a cast on and I'm in the studio
ken I had to keep lifting my leg up because
all the blood was rushing down. You know what I'm saying, Wow,
recording this record crying blah blah blah. But it came
out fastest fastest album I've ever made.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I made it in a week.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
How long were you guys together before the breakup?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I don't know if I like what you said. I'm
just kidding on and off about six seven years.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Okay, she publicly with somebody else? Now?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Huh? Is she publicly with somebody else?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
No?
Speaker 3 (36:41):
But I did see her two months after at an
event with some other guy, and I literally it's funny
because right before I saw her, I like stood up
and I was like, she's not gonna be in here.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Look to the left, she's here with some dude. I
hug her.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
I don't even say something to do because it's so fresh.
I go to the bar tender. I said, I just
saw my ex girlfriend here with another guy. Need you
to hook me up? He said, I got just what
you need.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Three shots at tequila. I turned that place.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Out they left, you said, I turned that place out.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
They left. They left because they knew I was about
to get ready.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
She was like, I know, my and I know.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
She said we need to go.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I know we're about to be here. Well, and then
you were probably like, why didn't I bring someone?
Speaker 3 (37:17):
And I was trying to be respectful just in case,
but also, if I'm being honest, I am an entertainer,
like I do this.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
She doesn't really do that as much. And it was
like at one of.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Those events, like an acting event, right, so I'm like,
why are you.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Let's not get into it.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Let's move on, all right.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I'm in a new situation on a new stage.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Okay, all right, good, you know what.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I'm good.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
God closed one door and he opens up a much bigger,
better batter door.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Oh beautiful, beautiful door.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Okay, we love beautiful doors.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yes we do, walk through, walk back.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Okay, Well, get ready for this prequel. I cannot wait.
All right, Travick Jackson, thank you so much. She's not
fifteen anymore. Guys.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Well,
What's up? His way up with Angela Yee. Finally, Trevor Jackson.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
With us Reunited and it feels.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
So good reunited. Listen, Trevor Jackson. I was thinking about,
like what, You're not even a triple, you know, people
always say triple with that, You're like a quintuple because
if you think about everything you've done Broadway, you know, acting, writing,
also singing, directing, I mean, you do it all.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I'm happy that I have multiple outlets to express myself.
You know, it really helps. It helps out the hard
areas of my life. So when I'm able to either
write a song or shoot a scene that I'm able
to release some of that tension.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It's that everybody gets from just being alive. It's a gift.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
We all have.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
You're absolutely right put me on this rock in the
middle of space and telling me that I'm just supposed
to be cool with it.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
And you're always very pleasant to everybody too, which I like, Like,
I've seen your inter actions with people, and I think
that's that's such an amazing thing because you've been in
this business for twenty years and you're still in your twenties.
But a lot of times people can get very jaded,
and it doesn't feel like you're jaded.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
No, I mean, I love people.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I think the only time you get like that is
when you and I was having this conversation the other day,
but I was like, when the cameras are on you
and the lights are on you, and everybody's looking at you,
start to think it's about you. But when you know
that it's a conglomerate, it's a community of things, and
you I was put.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Here to do duty, then you then you treat everybody
with that. You know what I'm saying. But it's like
I feel like when people start thinking.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Hey, I'm that, I'm you know, idolizing yourself, you kind
of fucking fucking don't care.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
You know what I mean, It comes out. But I
definitely always want to respect humans.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I know that I've been through a lot, so for
me to still be alive, I know that anybody my
age or older or whatever, eighteen nineteen, you got.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
To go through some stuff to keep going. So I
respect that and people.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Isn't it amazing to be like twenty years in this
business but you're still in your twenties.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Birth nine days I think today.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
He said, I think what is today twenty second? No?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
No eight?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Oh wow that August thirtieth. That's Meato's birthday too. Yeah,
so you guys.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Have virgos, Yeah, virgos.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
You think you have virgo? What's virgo qualities?
Speaker 3 (02:14):
My virgo quality is I'm uh, I think, I guess
I'm particularly when it comes to my creative But my
life is not virgo.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Like you know what I mean, I'm messy.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, we know we're gonna talk about it. Don'try.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I meant messy as in my room is messy. What
the hell? What the heck? But no, just like my
crib and like I don't like tidy.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Okay, like on the moon, But that probably if you're
messy and untidy, then your life is probably also a
little messy too.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
For sure. I'm getting there, though, I'm perfecting trial and error.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Now. First of all, your hoe, the way you even
started off and shout out to Nia she is she
just app starring in The Lion King on Broadway. She
was playing Nala. That's my friend's daughter. Yeah, and so
you started off really on Broadway and the Lion King,
and that is such a huge role to have to play.
I actually had the opportunity to go do like while
(03:13):
she was on Broadway, to go and do like a
walk through back. Yeah, the whole tour. It was amazing.
But just to think about a young Trevor Jackson playing
that role, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Man, I loved it. It's the whole first hour of
the show, so it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
And then we had school too, so it was like
you wake up, got to school from eleven to four,
you get like an hour break, then you gotta go
to the theater and start setting up, getting makeup done,
all this stuff, and you have the show. And I
remember I had done eight hundred and forty something shows
by the time I was done.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I was eight years old to eleven years old.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I was on tour performing that and sometimes if the
other Simba is sick or whatever, I gotta do his
shows because it's.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
So it was definitely experienced, but it trained me for
all this stuff I gotta do now, like here, we
gotta go here, we gotta do this.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
So I'm used to putting in the work, which is good.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
And then as a kid, though at that age, I
have to imagine that sometimes you just did you ever
just say I don't feel like doing this never, okay,
we can.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I used to cry if I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Like one time I fractured my foot while I was
on tour and I tried to act like I didn't
hurt it, and they were like, we.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
See limp, and I'm so dramatic.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
I was a dramatic as kid.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, so your parents are always very supportive of this
is what you wanted to do it because that also
for parents, that's a big responsibility too.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I say, my mom was and my dad kind of
jumped on later. My dad wanted me to hoop.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Your dad wanted me to be, you know, a hooper.
And it wasn't up until like two years ago, three
years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
He's like, okay, okay, we go on.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Not up until two or three years ago he should
have been let that.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Govern But uh yeah, no, it's it's it's hard though
for you know, from Indiana, it's not the biggest town.
And so when someone says to you, hey, to move
to l A and you know, people in my family
like thinking, my mom's taking me away out knowing like, hey,
this is what I want to do, you know. So
at first it was a little difficult, but I just
(05:05):
can't live with all doing it.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, and just to see the growth that you've had.
When I first met you, it was when you were
on Atlantic Records.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
When we met, I was fifteen.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
You were fifteen years old and he had just signed
to Atlantic. That's crazy. And so they were like, Okay,
we're going to do some media training, but you already
were really good. That's why I was like, he's fifteen,
but he's pretty good at like being entertaining and engaging
and answering these questions. But the one thing I think
at that time, and I know you've said this is
the music that you were creating.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Oh I wasn't creating it.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
That's the problem, right, wasn't you?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah exactly. It was stuff that was written. And I mean,
you get it.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
We live in this time where people it's even like movies,
everything's a remake. So when you go into these labels,
how can we remake Chris, How can we remake tra songs?
Speaker 2 (05:48):
How can we remake blah blah blah, And let's do
the same thing they did. And that's just kind of
like what I was feeling. And I woke up when
Dan was like, yo, I don't want to die.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I feel like I wasted this time in my life
and not being real and honest with myself.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
So I had to leave called credit like, hey, man,
appreciate you, love you.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
And listen. But it seems like it's working out. You
seem like you're much happier. Yeah, yeah, on your own.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Yeah, And I had to. I'm still becoming a man,
you know what I'm saying. I don't think everybody is.
I think you're always growing, always evolven is.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, grow.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
But I feel like I'm I had to, you know,
step up and take handle of my business and become
a businessman and hire my own team and really, you know,
put put some stake in and put everything I got.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Everything I'm making from TV.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
And movies is going back into the music, is going
back into videos, going back into the publicist, you know,
so starting to get into that space.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
And yeah, I want to I want to be the
Apple Loaf. You know what I'm saying. I love Steve Jobs.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yeah, And it's always kind of a hard transition when
you started doing this at a young age. People know
you from like Disney, they know you know, for different things,
and then they have to see you grow up and
also grow up with your music. They're like, why is
because even when I see you, you're always like fifteen
year old I know, Trevor to me, but you're not
fifteen anymore. Yeah, a little older. And we'll talk about
(07:08):
the music because that definitely reflects because you were a
no fifteen year old side piece.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
But what actually was no?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
What you were not?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I'm sure most men they probably won't tell you, but
most dudes were in that spot.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
You know. Remember Pleasure P had the song Boyfriend Number
two that was like the epitome.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
I freaking love that song.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
We know it's very good. I'm confused, do you like
being in that spot or do you not?
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Like?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
I think it's Catch twenty two right, because you get
to get the cake, but you don't got to do
the responsibility part of it. And then but that's how
I feel like humans are. It's like, what you can't have,
you end up wanting.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Right. So it's like, hey, we're kind of talking, I
get to go over here. But now I'm like, I
hate the change in her voice when she's talking to him.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
It's a little softer, it's a little more caring, and
I'm like, hey, why isn't she am I not worthy
of that?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
You know? It could be that.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
So it's how do you hear her talking to him
you on the phone or.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
She's been I've had a girl like with me and
then call her dude while.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
She's Wow, you really lose I carefully, Shit, I don't.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
No.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
I do want to say, like, it's complicated the project
that you put out, that's like a movie.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, it's real, it's real, and that the song Guy
on the Side was kind of the catalyst for the
album because I wrote that and it was real. I
was just like, Yo, you're trying to like sell me
on this dream, Like, hey, I don't really care I am,
but I'm like, I just yeah, you kind of just
pushing and pulling and pushing and pulling. So I was like,
don't send me to love. You know, I cannot buy
when I'm just the guy.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
On the side. We can, we can pretend all day,
but you end up going back to him, right.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
So that was kind of the catalyst of the project.
And then yeah, the records just started coming.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
But you can't really trust somebody that if you were
like the side guy, I know what happens and it
does work out sometimes.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Oh, you're saying, like, if I was the side guy
and she's and then we end up being together, we
can trust her.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Can you really trust anyone? Don't do that, I'm asking you.
I think that it starts off not trusting that way,
because you're always gonna think, like, in the back of
your head, she's not here, she's on a tip with
her friends. But is she really on a tip of
her friends. And then when she, you know, tells you,
I'm going to do this, you have to think she
was telling her man she was going to do this.
(09:11):
So I think it starts off in a place of
not trust. Usually you start off in a place of trust,
and then somebody, Yeah that's I don't know that that's
a solid foundation. And I know that people will say,
oh it happened, Oh my mom was the side piece,
and and and usually we hear about the woman being
the side piece, you know, and not normally the man,
because men, y'all act like you like it too, Like yeah, yeah,
(09:35):
guys would act like it's a good thing. Her man
let him take care of that. Yeah that long.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Until somebody you really like, you know what I'm scause
it canna be somebody we just went around, but somebody
really liking You're like.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Damn, I'm laughing long time. We like the same food. Like,
oh but she can't be mine?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Right? Yeah? So how did that? Because this is a
real story and you've.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Been to the stories?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Did how many sides? How many times? Oh my gosh,
you a career.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Side I'm not a career side guy, but I just
always kind of ended up in that in that spot.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
But here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Why is that? You think is it the energy you're
putting out?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
No, I think it's because I'm not in those times.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Like people that I was talking to, I made it
clear like hey, I'm not interested in that, and they
didn't wait for me, but they still like me, you
know what I'm saying. So they're like, hey, I want
something solid that's consistent, that I can depend on and
that's gonna be there for me.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
And I can't fulfill those needs.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
You just didn't want to exactly, Okay, because you can't.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I can't. I can't, but definitely not. I'm just ye,
I'm moved. But yeah, man, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
I don't know why guys do that. Like when they
started dating you, they think automatically you want to be
in a relationship, so they let you know, look just
so you know I'm not trying to do this, and
then later on they try to come back and say, actually,
I do want that.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
You guys do that too, You guys do that too.
I've experienced that, like, hey, I have one girl. That's
why I wrote the record Forget about Me. Was that
she literally looked at me and said just fuck me,
forget about me. And I said, what did you say?
She said, get about me and just bla blah, And
I was like, are you allowed to cuss on here?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, just cussing away. We're no cousin aloud.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
He said the worst one sometimes, but yeah, I couldn't
believe it. And then she ended up we ended up
really like being togethered, and she wanted to like you're Marri.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
And shitn't I can't?
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Why can't you?
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Well that wasn't the person for me. Okay, you know
what I'm saying. It's one of those I.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Did this thing where I like, I get out of relationship,
I find something and hold it so tight and then like, oh,
I'm just holding it tight because I'm trying to either
heal from the past thing or I'm trying to like
just feel something, and then you end up being around
that person and you know they're coming around more like
I don't really like you and we don't have the
same things in common, and and I wanted to go
(11:38):
back to that part you were saying, uh, being on
the side, I feel like, once you find it, you
cannot be that.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
For the right person, you know what I'm saying. Like,
I feel like the right person you can you can
stay with you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
But if it's not, if it's not all the way there,
then that's when people get Sorry people, but I think
it is possible to you.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
No, it's interesting because this whole project is complicated, right.
You start up with find out and then you talk
about how people have this preconceived notion maybe women hear
something about you what Angela.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Said, I'm messing you where you hear this at I know, but.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
You know people will have a yeah, they should find
out And so what do you hear about yourself that
you're like, oh, that's not me. Because people do have
an impression now too. You know, the artwork has you
hiding under the bed while she's with another dude.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
You know, so there's two things I've had.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
I've had so many people come up and be like,
oh I heard about you, and I'm like, we just met.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Can you just get your own opinion right, you know?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
And then it's on the acting side of things, people
will be like, yo, you're nothing like the guy and
super fun I said, guys, I'm an actor, right.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I don't sell cocaine. It's not a thing I do.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
I had to do really come up like, hey, bro,
if you need that, you know, I'm really like that
in the movies movie I said, guys, this isn't real.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
It's so funny. Well, you do a great job.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
But I was cracking up.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
I was I was at the bowling and the dude
little to be like, yo, I got if you need
to move some I was like.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Dude, what I don't do that? God bless you.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
And okay, I know somebody if you need to need
to get some ship moved, so okay. But aside from that,
when it comes to women, like do you think that
they look at you and think you're a player automatically
or that you don't want to be in a relationship.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, I think well, because I do music and I'm
seeing kind of like secular music. You know what I'm saying.
They have an opinion and the way I look. But
I've had so many people come.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Up and be like, you're just so down to earth
and right, I'm not a dick. I love people and
I want to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
And even when we were waiting outside, some people came
up and they were like, I just wanted to say hi.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
We just didn't want to buy that. I was like, please, like,
feel free anytime you see me, m m. You put
the cape on.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Where and you have the cape on? You know what? Else?
I want to talk about the movie Burning Sands, because yeah,
that was an amazing, amazing movie. You did a great
job in that, and it's it's a it's kind of
different from other movies and roles that you've play but
you didn't go to college, right.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I did not go to college.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
So talk to me about that role and like how
things like how that might have changed you. Things changed
a lot.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
I was gonna quit acting right before that I did
American Crime. Before that, I was gonna quit, and so
then I did American Crime and it's okay, I kind
of love acting again.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
And then I did Burning Sands and I just I
changed for the better because I really like.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Dove into that. That's probably the deepest I've dove into
like a character, like a role. Like I wasn't sleeping
because when I'm talking to these people who.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Played like, yo, yeah you don't sleep, sleep and.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
You know, I'd be in the bathroom like just kind
of like marking myself. And I remember my mom came
in the room on time.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
I was like, yeah, she was like, what's going on there?
And I came out and I was just like I
was in the zone. You just came into the danger zone.
Just let me get my ship here. But yeah, so
that was a really cool, cool experience. And I feel
like I becaming man. That was my first time too.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
It was all dudes on the set, so there's a
lot of tistops, a wrong we're all and but became
brothers and it was a really really amazing experience and
some of those guys are still you.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Know, Yeah, pledging is a wild thing. I just remember
being in college and when people have to pledge, they're
not sleeping, they're doing things that are they're.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Covering up like abused, abused spouse. I like, I just
hit the pool. It just fell down the stairs. No,
you didn't.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Man. My ex boyfriend he pledged, and I remember they
would make him drive from like college to college to
do people's laundry, to do their homework. And one day
he hadn't slept it all. He crashed because he was
driving from one school to another school and he hadn't slept,
and he totaled his car.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Die to be a part of a you know, I mean,
it's never worth it. You gotta I mean, it's not
worth it to die, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Right, Yeah, not to not pledge.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
But let's not die trying to pledge.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
If you think if you went to college, you would have.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Pledged after the movie, probably before I was like fraternities,
like I wasn't, you know, But then I was learning
the history and the beauty of the community. But I
don't believe that you have to take it as far
as some people do. And I think it's just like anything,
you know, if you're playing sports, some people do steroids,
maybe some don't. You know, I'm not saying everybody's bad,
(16:05):
but they're like in our film, the opening scene, that river,
three people died in that river because they were pledging
trying to swim across and wow, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
When is it worth that?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
When is it definitely not that? That's wild? Yeah, you know,
it seems like you're the type of person that likes
to know the history of things too when you yeah,
with everything that you do kind of I mean, like,
I know you do martial arts.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Okay, yes, love martial arts.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Bruce Lee's right here bing bang bunk and I've done
cople with it for about eighteen years now, which is
all the African slaves that were brought to Brazil or
we're not allowed to train martial arts, so they disguised
it as a dance and hopped around.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
So when the slave masters asked what they were.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Doing, see what I mean, we're just fooling around, We're.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Just acting a fool. But really they were training to
overtake the slave masters.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
And but it means a lot more when you can
do something and there's a history.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Oh yeah connected to it and being black. I mean,
it's just there's so much that comes with that.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Well, what does martial arts do for you in your
everyday life? Like as far as focused, as far as dedication.
I'm also knowing if you got to fight somebody, right.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I think for me it's service.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I think when I'm doing martial arts, like with my teacher,
my master, shout out master, shout out master, with Nico.
But I feel like it's one of the few times
that I'm not worried about me. And you know, through
my life, I'm like, I gotta perform, I gotta go
to the interview. But this I'm like, hey, how can
I help the school? How can I help my teacher?
And that gives me a service. I feel like I'm
doing more of the serving part, which is a refreshing feeling,
(17:27):
and it feels really good to be a part something
bigger than me. And like you said, it's connected to
so much history and you can feel it when you're
in those rooms and they're playing and the music is going.
It's it's it's intense. You should come next, timmer in La.
I'll take it a little something.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Really, is it like a beginner connect? Okay, good, it'll
be sick though.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I think you enjoy it.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, I would love to a little cultural experience. And
that also could help you with your roles too, right,
Like I know you you had to do that, yes,
super Fly you had.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I was already doing that.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
So I feel like something like this is going to
happen because I could see Trevor Jackson doing something that
is going to be more focused on that. Would you
would that be something that you would love?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Yeah, Marvel.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
I want to be a Marvel something, DC something, any
type of superhero where I'm fighting and it's my dream.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
I'm gonna put that in the atmosphere.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Oh yeah, oh yeah. I saw Deadpool Wolverine four times
the week it came out. Absolutely loved it.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
And that guy's journey, Ryan Reynolds, of being somebody who
fought for it made it. Now, you just made a
billion dollars in the first week and I had and
you fought for that.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
They told me couldn't do it. They were like you can,
and He's like, I'm gonna do it. And he made it,
put his own money into it, produce it.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
And I didn't realize how involved he was in the
writing process or involved he is in the you know
he's and that's why it's so good.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Did you see it?
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah? I saw that. I want to say, see what
I mean though you just researched everything we just talked about.
You have all this background information on it and you
may not realize it. You actually like everything that you're
talking about that you want to do, you have, it's
not superficial.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's real. It's real, for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
It's all I'm saying. Now. The music. Let's get to that,
all right, because that's a big deal right now for
you having become independent and also writing your own music
and working with your brother, yeah a lot as well.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Amazing, it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
So and also being able to talk about real life things.
Is it hard to talk about real life things too,
because sometimes some of that could be a little bit
like should I be?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah? I think it's kind of the only place I
feel comfortable enough to talk about it. You know.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I feel like when I meet people, I'm a little like, yeah,
I'm open and easy going, but when it comes to
like my life, I'm kind of like I have a
hard time expressing, I think sometimes. But when I'm in
there and it just flows out, you know, that's that
to me is the best time. And I think the
fans and even not fans with people who are seeing
me do it it just matches up more me and
the music because it's coming from me, and yeah, like
(19:44):
I said, all these are experiences that happened, like from
a distance.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I was talking to this young lass and.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
She she like just cut me off out of nowhere,
and I was like, what's going on? And I remember
I hit her up and I'm like, yo, where are
you att I was linking and she was like, I'm
good love enjoy and didn't talk to me for like.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Five six months. Something happened. Something happened, because no one
just does that. Cheva, what did you do?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
I didn't do anything, but I'm pretty sure she probably
thought or somebody might have said something to her to
where she just thought I.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Did something, you know what I mean? But I didn't.
It wasn't my girlfriend or none.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
But we were talking, okay, so maybe she found out
somebody else she was talking to and then yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I'm good love and joy is crazy to be the
last thing to say to somebody.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
By the way, that's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
I'm good love enjoy. So the song I'm good Enjoy,
I wish you will.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I love that though. And Eric Bellinger is on this
project as well, And now you guys have a great
relationship from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
I want to talk about him.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
He is one of the few black men in this
industry that has, like I feel like, done what I
hope to do when I reach, you know, wherever I'm
trying to reach. But it just he saw me, you
know what I'm saying. And I've been doing this for
so long, and I respect him so much because he's
a genius songwriter, genius artist. And he was like, yo,
your shit's dope, and he kept hitting me up like
(21:08):
I was putting up. He's like yo, yo, like you're
really killing and this just meant a lot.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
And then he took me.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
On toward them and he called me and I was like,
of course, I'll go on tour. And when I went
on tour just to support I've been on tour with
other artists and they hate me because I'm killing.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I'm doing crazy at the show, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
But I've had artists that I've opened up for and
be like, hey, he does too much, like don't let
him flip or that's crit don't let him sing this
song because they what you know what I'm.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Saying, that's so hated, like step up your show.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, sorry, And that's why a lot of people don't
don't want that. But Eric Bellinger was so supportive and
his show was so amazing.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
We just meshed perfectly.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
And he helped me with the album too, So two
records we wrote together. But I had a whole list
and he was like, come over, let's go through him.
We're only putting smashes on here. And so I went
over there and he was like, yes, take that up,
put that in there, boom, and he kind of helped.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Me curate it and added a few here and there.
But it's a support level and he's an amazing father
and husband, and he's.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Just as great as far as like him, like staying
at the mix but being in the mix and nothing
like everybody loves and respects him. And I only hear
positive things about you know what I'm saying in the business,
and every time he's been but he's even done lip
service and it hasn't been too you know, he hasn't
been too well. Yeah, happily married.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
He's a he's a really really good dude, super super talented,
and I our relationship means a lot.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
To me for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Okay, Now, what is it that Trevor Jackson wants? Like,
what is it that you want that would make you
feel like, because I can't tell relationship wise, and I'm
only asking this because this is what the album is.
Clearly it's complicated about that. But I'm not sure what
you want, Like, do you want to be happily in
a relationships?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
I want kids?
Speaker 3 (22:46):
You do okays? And I want to eventually direct star
composed my.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Own film okay like Charlie Trevor, And I feel like
you could also. I feel like you can get an egot. Yeah,
for sure, you know, because you have the ability to
do that. Would you go back to Broadway?
Speaker 2 (23:04):
It's hard, and it's so hard.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I just did eleven day run on for Tap Dance
Kid at the New York City Cinemato and that was
the beginning of last year.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I think it was one of the hardest things I've
ever had to do.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Right, It's a challenge, but nothing from a challenge in
yourself sometimes.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yeah, But my thing is there's no life because I
want to be so good, Like I can't talk after
the show, I can't go hang out. I gotta go home, sleep,
go to the show, don't talk. Well, you know, it's
just the living aspect too. I also want to be happy.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
I thought you've been working for so long. Yeah too, Like,
when have you ever taken time off? Because consistently you've
been booked and busy.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Yeah, I've taken I think the longest I've done was
like a month. Went to Hawaii for like a month.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Oh wow, I was a Maui and just but that's
like in all that time, you've only had a month.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Yeah, I don't. I really don't take vacations. I need
to do better with that.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
But for sure, and maybe when you find well, when
you have a wife, yeah, and kids might not be
too far away. Uh oh, is something going on? Something
going on away? But I do want to say, okay,
missus Jackson.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
But I do want to say that there is the
music that I'm making. Obviously when I make it, it's
coming out.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Later, right, right, So this's been happened.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
So this is I was these are a while ago.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
And then I have two other albums that I'm working on,
and one is we're not working on that are done.
One is a breakup album which is supposed to be
the prequel to what this album is.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Okay, so yeah, that's why we're and then this complished.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
That's why we're still because we used to be together
and we broke up, but we still kind of have that.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Oh my god, imagine going from the main to the
side that happens all the time. Look at it.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
You just thought, sorry for you, man, And then the
album after that.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Is like, Okay, I'm done with her, I'm back outside,
I'm having motion and this is what you did to me.
You turn me into this thing.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
You know what. People would never think that you would
have issues when it comes to dating.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
I think humans were humans.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
But people wouldn't think that. They'll be like, oh, tap,
it could be with anybody, Like no, any you would
think any woman would be like I'm gonna break up
with him for you.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yeah, I've had that And I was like, don't do
that because I'm not gonna take care ofus. She's like,
you're gonna take camera.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
No, She's like, gonna be my boyfriend.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
Okay, this is a real story.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
You're in the studio having a good time, things are
going good, you know what I mean, and uh, you know,
about to leave.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
She's like where are you going? She's like, well, can
you expect me to just go back home? My boyfriend? Like,
what do you want me to do? That he's probably
gona bring up and you're gonna beat. You can be
my wofriend. No, ma'am, no man, but God bless you.
I had a great time and hopefully we see each other.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Oh my god, I'm good love and joy.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I'm good, love and enjoy.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
You hit it with that.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
I'm good, love, enjoy.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Do you talk to like your mom and your dad
about your relationship? Do you?
Speaker 2 (25:45):
I do. My dad's better to talk to than my mom.
She's uh, she's yeah, she's old school and she's yeah,
not the best person to doing with that. She's great
in other areas. But my dad, my dad will give
it to me. I remember one time I called my
dad crying Russell and he.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Was like, son, every woman has a maintenance man. I said,
what what do you mean? Listen to what I said?
So every woman has a maintenance man some of the
best advice ever give.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
So maybe you are the maintenance man.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
That's what I'm saying. I've been This album is up
from the maintenance Man.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
But I think as a younger man, it was like
a movie The maintenance Man. That could be starting Trevor Jackson.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
That could be cool, kind of like a hit ride
but like maybe like jigglo too.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, I can see that for you, Okay, But I.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Think the hardest thing for men when you're growing up
is to realize that women are human because we look
at you guys so higher than us. I think when
you're growing up, you know your princesses, your things, and
our job is to serve and help. And then then
when you guys do human stuff like hey, I feel
like we're like devastated because we don't think that's you know,
(26:53):
And I had to grow into that and realize, hey,
we are all you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
So it took me a minute to get there.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, you feel maybe you're going to be in an
open relationship.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
No, I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't.
I thought about the stated I've thought about it. I
just can't.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
What I just can't. I can't. Like if we were
in something and I want to do something, like, I
just don't want to be separated.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
It just feels like it's losing that the reason why
you whistle in the first place, and it's not about
the sex.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
It's just about you guys being together.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
You know what I'm saying, now, let's talk about this tail.
All right, this chip.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
You're talking about it since I've had it.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Yeah, like it.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
We know.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I didn't say that you don't like it, And.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I said I would cut it off at nipple length.
And it's almost there.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
It's almost. It's fast, it's fast.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
It's bad. I try to act like down here, I
got low hanging nipples. I got so no.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
But honestly, let's talk about this tail. So now, what's
what's the plan with this tail?
Speaker 2 (27:53):
The plan is until I get a roll so big
that I have to cut it off. Marvel, Marvel, please, Hey,
Miles Morales, I could shave. I'll have Puerto Rican anyway,
is Dominican? Is he Dominican or Puerto Rican? Moles brows Jamaican?
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Somebody google it either get Dominican. He's Hispanic.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
He is Suspanic, Hispanic and bloody. Anyway. I would love
to play that.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
So now, two more projects on the way, one of
those coming out. I feel like you just are like
so pouring into your music so much. I can't even
imagine you taking a break to do a movie.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
But the good news is because all the music is recorded,
you know, That's that's why I always like to have
stuff in the back too. Because of our film, we
got singles, we got records, you know, we got artillery.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
So that's always good.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Like the Tupaca YEA R and B.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
I was just we were talking about Tupac last night
and talking about how he had a hard time getting
out of his rolls.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Right. I could see that when he did Bishop, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
They said that even when they YO cut, he'd still
be like.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Right, well, yeah, you you play some rod. But that
one go ahead. It's a Valentino born in Roma by Valentino.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
You know.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Now, you talked about wanting to have Grammys. What are
some things that are on your bucket list that you
haven't achieved. I know you want to write, direct, produce movies,
but what else do you want to do?
Speaker 3 (29:18):
So, yeah, the Grammys, the Oscars and Superhero And I
want to do a documentary called Chasing the Barrel, where
I travel the world trying to find the best barrels surfing.
Oh okay, yeah, sorry, it's called the barrel when the
water goes over you and you're inside of it. So
I want to take like me and people from all
different walks of life and.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
How surfing has helped them. Okay, surfing has saved my life,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
It really just helps me get back to ground zero, unplugged,
and just get connected with the flow of what's going on.
And when you're in this industry, you're always and I
go out there and I see family, a dolphin family,
a pelican, and I'm like, everybody's.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Just doing their things.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
So this was your Hawaii one month trip that you
do Okay, Okay, I was gonna say, you must have
been doing that every day.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
You knowing. Hawaii actually didn't serve that. When I was there.
There just wasn't waste for some reason.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
But I was going to like different cliffs, cliff jumping
and different sites where they used to meditate and stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
There was this river that I went to that was
really really cool.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
They said like the ancient Hawaiians would go there and
they would like, you know, pray and stuff.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
And I remember I sat in that river for like
four hours and I was like crying.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Wow, I wasn't doing nothing, didn't I didn't know much room,
and I was just They're chilling and I was feeling
like those feelings when you do when you do the dreams.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I was like, what is happening? Pretty powerful stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
That's amazing. It feels like you need some of those
times because this business can really way a way on you.
And you've been through a lot, even just leaving the
label and having to go independent, and that's tough. People
don't understand. I mean, it's tough to be on a
label and not get what you feel like you deserve
and what you need and also not be able to
have your own voice. But then it's also tough to
(30:50):
have to do it on your own. You know, you
have to pick which is you're going to be your
poison exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
But I think when you do it on your own,
you don't live in the past or like in grit
and when someone.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Else do it, you're like a man, you know. So
I'd rather lose on my own accord, for sure, But
I'm not gonna lose.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yeah you're not. I mean, you're good. You already one.
Now you also study your own podcast? Yes, yes, I
did that.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
God, Yeah, I do have a podcast. Yeah, check it out.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
It's called The Scenic Route Me and my brother. I
think the best part about it is that I get
to talk with my brother. We're both so busy and
he does a lot of the creative and business side
with my music, so every time we talk.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
It's work, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
And I missed the brother time when we used to
be in the bedroom playing wrestling or watching different movies
and us having that since we were little. So we
kind of get to rekindle that as we're talking, and
we don't we try not to do too much points.
We just kind of like shoot the ship and talk
about different stuff, and it's a it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
It's amazing to be able to do.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
I always set up my brother was a big basketball player,
made broke a bunch of records at the school, and
my dream was always played basketball with him, and I
never got to. So now I get to do life
in business with him. So it's kind of like we're
on the same team still.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
So nobody you could trust, like your own family, well.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Some family can't, true, but I'm thankful for my family
I could trust. But I know some people are like, no,
you're right, what your sister did? What do you She's like, yeah,
we hate each other.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I'm like, what listen? People calling for tell us a secret?
All the time, and they'd be like I slept with
my sister's man, and you know, and you'd be like,
damn family.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Like I've seen sisters like that, Like I've been over
maybe to see somebody and their sister walk by and
like booty shorts on purpose, like.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
And of course you didn't.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Ever, of course I didn't. I don't do that. I'm
a good dude.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Mm feels like acting all right.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Feels like Shakespeare in the Park.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I know you've done some foul things though, of course
I'm a human, right, He's like, I leave it at
that next ablish. Let me drink my soda.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
That's right, Sprit's good you guys like right.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Well, Trevor, it's always such a pleasure. I could sit
down and shoot this ship with you.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Awesome. You really are awesome, and you've always been sweet
to me and kind to me, and uh, you're your admirable.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
I admire you and how much work you put in
and it shows and that's why people come and want to,
you know, be a part of what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Thank you. That is something I've been wanting to get
you up here for so long. And I feel like
this podcast. I love the fact that people get to
see like your personality. Also understand your backstory where you
came from. Because you work so hard, you know when
people need to understand that and realize that. And I
have to also.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
So she's iced out, y'all. I don't know if you guys.
Can you guys see her? She's iced out.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
My nails aren't done though, Get my nails done, that's
what I want to do today. You're iced out too well.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
I'm trying to get like you wait, hold on, let
me see what is that.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
It's a hammerhed shark, but I lost the paint brush.
It's a hamdrhed sharuck biting a paint brush. Okay, I
mean because it's my company's born art and sharks, because
sharks will die if they stop swimming my whole life.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
They told me to slow down.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
See look at him doing his research again. I told
you he researched. He doesn't even really.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I didn't realize I really did it. And now that
you said it, I'm like, wait, wait.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Like everything you have is like an explanation. How many
all of them?
Speaker 2 (34:05):
It's all this my chest and in my back and
I got ninja turtles right here.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
That's how you love teenage turtles.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
It's the martial art aspect and it's the brother aspect.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
I feel like I grew up with a lot of men,
and I like to see men loving on each other
and not being weird like and we need more of that.
And I feel like that was like a.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Good we need more turtles. Turtles, Come on, man, thank you.
You got to come back like every time. Honestly, you'd
be a great co host to I would love to. Yeah,
oh my god, now that would be amazing.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Lions are tigers? Are bears? It's your favorite animal? That
would be my first question.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
No, I say tigers.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Tigers?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Why why so you like the bears?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Lie?
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Okay, well you were in the Lion King. You were
a lion.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I was for three years.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
It's not fair. I say tigers because I like tiger prints.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
And it's more, you know, that's we're fitming in, you know,
tigers or more?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Are they?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:03):
They will kill you.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
But more than a lion though. They got a little
more sex appeal to them than the line.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
I think no one likes beers.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
A lot of people like bears. My brother likes bears.
They're they're like dogs, they're big as dolls.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
No they're not. Don't play with no bear.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Don't play with a bear like if you're Russian though,
if you are Russian, dull.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
If you are Russian, bears don't kill you for some reason?
Are we see old Russian dudes playing with bears in
the fucking forest? And then biggers don't get eaten?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Did you see cocaine bear?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Oh? Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Now that's a hYP of bear. I know I haven't
got a beer and you can sell them some cocaine.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Calm down here, I got what you need.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I got what you need. Well again, thank you so much.
And guys, make sure you stream. It's complicated if you
haven't already. And then we have the Creekweel coming soon?
Is that what's next?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Yes? Prequels the breakup album, very very sad. And when
we get off your all play.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Oh, I can't wait to hear it. Do you cry
during the breakup?
Speaker 2 (35:56):
What?
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Men don't like to admit that?
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Oh? Men need to all me and they should cry more.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
My dad blately has been crying a lot, and I said,
Dad's because fifty years.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
You've not cried. Bro, you've been Try.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
And buy your lip, but no, dude, I went through
my breakup two weeks after I tore my achilles. So
I have a cast on and I'm in the studio
ken I had to keep lifting my leg up because
all the blood was rushing down. You know what I'm saying, Wow,
recording this record crying blah blah blah. But it came
out fastest fastest album I've ever made.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I made it in a week.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
How long were you guys together before the breakup?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
I don't know if I like what you said. I'm
just kidding on and off about six seven years.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Okay, she publicly with somebody else? Now?
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Huh? Is she publicly with somebody else?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
No?
Speaker 3 (36:41):
But I did see her two months after at an
event with some other guy, and I literally it's funny
because right before I saw her, I like stood up
and I was like, she's not gonna be in here.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Look to the left, she's here with some dude. I
hug her.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
I don't even say something to do because it's so fresh.
I go to the bar tender. I said, I just
saw my ex girlfriend here with another guy. Need you
to hook me up? He said, I got just what
you need.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Three shots at tequila. I turned that place.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Out they left, you said, I turned that place out.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
They left. They left because they knew I was about
to get ready.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
She was like, I know, my and I know.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
She said we need to go.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I know we're about to be here. Well, and then
you were probably like, why didn't I bring someone?
Speaker 3 (37:17):
And I was trying to be respectful just in case,
but also, if I'm being honest, I am an entertainer,
like I do this.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
She doesn't really do that as much. And it was
like at one of.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Those events, like an acting event, right, so I'm like,
why are you.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Let's not get into it.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Let's move on, all right.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I'm in a new situation on a new stage.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Okay, all right, good, you know what.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I'm good.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
God closed one door and he opens up a much bigger,
better batter door.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Oh beautiful, beautiful door.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
Okay, we love beautiful doors.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yes we do, walk through, walk back.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Okay, Well, get ready for this prequel. I cannot wait.
All right, Travick Jackson, thank you so much. She's not
fifteen anymore. Guys.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Well,
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