September 2, 2025 • 55 mins
R&B legend KEM joins Angela Yee and the Lip Service crew for a heartfelt conversation on love, family, and music. He opens up about manifesting relationships, lessons from past struggles, and the journey to sobriety that reshaped his life. KEM also talks independence after Motown, building longevity in the industry, and why truth and vulnerability matter most in love. From his serendipitous love story to his new music and memoir, this episode is packed with wisdom, laughs, and inspiration.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
All right, it is lip service. I'm Angela Yee, I'm
g G Maguire, Hey girl.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm Jazzmine brand Geordie George.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
And I'm hey Kim.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
How are you welcome to the show? Listen? I told
them earlier, I said, when Kim comes, I feel like
we need to get all kinds of advice from him.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yes, How do you feel about being in that position
now where we're looking to you like manifesting love okay,
and learning how to listen and take the signs and
open ourselves up to be able to feel like we
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can trust you know, these are all things that we
have to learn.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
We can manifest it.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Is that what you're saying, Can you manifest? Yeah, that's
a lot. Can you manifest it? Can you manifest? Do
you want to manifest it?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yes? I think it's possible manifestation. You know, if you
say something and you want it so bad, not so bad,
but if you have to sometimes speak it out loud
and say this is what I want to try to
make it happen. And sometimes we're scared to admit what
we want to.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Can you manifest it? You can manifest that which is
meant for you to have if it's in alignment with
what God has for you. Just because you speak something
out loud don't necessarily make it so if it's not
in alignment with what the truth is. Okay, you know
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what I'm saying. I want to be an NBA player.
I want to be a baller, right me saying me
speaking that out loud doesn't make it.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
So.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You know, when you're talking about when you're talking about
love and you're talking about relationship, like for real, for real,
like out in the deep of love, you know it's
about it. Don't start with the other person, right, The
relationship is not just about the other person. The relationship
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is really is in part, it's about the relationship that
you have with yourself.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I'm just thinking about we saw your love story and
how you met your wife and it was at a
meet and greet, yeah, in Atlanta at that point in
your life, do you feel like your slate was clean
for that? Were there things that you had to reckon
with yourselves? Because you know, sometimes when you meet somebody,
we have like a lot of other things going on
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and we're not necessarily open to find that. What was
your situation like and what did you have to do
to get in preparation.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I wasn't when I met my wife, I wasn't looking.
And and I had come out of a dysfunctional relationship
that had gone on for a long time. And and
the and the person and the person that I was
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in a relationship with. You know, I still have I
still have love for her, and she and she she
she got she changed and it forced me to change.
And I had to step back and look at the
season that I was in my life. And so I
wasn't doing nothing. You know, I wasn't looking. You know,
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I stopped. I surrendered to the idea that, you know,
maybe I need to just you know, sit down for
a minute. You know, maybe I need to stop picking them,
you know. And I wasn't looking and my wife, you know,
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and I can go right and if you've read the book,
then you know, I mean, I can go on and
on about how serendipitous, how how divine it was, and
it wasn't. It wasn't uh love at first sight, but
it was it was really something that you know, she
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had never she wasn't a fan, and she had never
been to a chem show. You know, somebody told her
to go to the meet and greet, and I'm never
and I've never been the artist who's on stage like, yeah,
you know, bring her backstage, yeah, bring her backstaf. I've
never I've never been never done that. I've never done.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I wouldn't view you like that. I would be surprised
if somebody was like and the cam told me.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Sarity came and got me and we took a picture together,
and then and she was walking away. I was trying
to and I was trying to talk and you know,
and I'm really an introvert pretending to be an extrovert,
and I was trying to talk to I was trying
to holler at her without letting anybody around me know
that I was trying to holler at her. And we
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kept in when we kept in contact. That was in Atlanta.
That was in probably November of twenty fifteen, and our
first and then we had our first date in January
of twenty fifteen, New Year's Eve, and it was just
and it was just New Year's Eve.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
It's wild.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
It was New Year's Eve. I flew to I flew
to h I flew to Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Y'all must have been having some good conversations, was.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Having good you know, and I was just you know, savage.
I love it says, when the student is ready, the
teacher appears. You know, I was, I was. I was
open right, you say you started, you started open, be
open to? You know, I was open to. I was
open to. I was, I was, I was surrendered. And yeah.
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So our first date was was New Year's Eve and
we just you know, and it was just bam bam.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
How did you know that she was that she was
the one? How did you know?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
How did I know that she was the one?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I know that she's the one because I married her.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
How did you know because I married her got it
the one? At what? At what point when.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I knew that I was going to enter into this
relationship without looking for an exit strategy? When I knew
when she we? I was at uh. We have seven
kids between us. The oldest is thirty, the youngest is one.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yes, lord crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
And I was at the oldest daughter's birthday party in
Detroit and we were because we were you know, she
was in Atlanta, was in Detroit, and and she called
me and told me that she called me, and I
stepped out of the party to talk to her and
she said she was on it. She was coming back
from a cruise with her mother, and she said, she
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told me she was pregnant with our son. And you know,
I said, okay. I said, okay, okay, you know, and
and at that moment, it was like, Okay, I'm all,
I'm all, I'm all in. This is real. You know
what I'm saying. You know, it was like, you know,
I'm all, I'm all. I love all my kids. But
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it was like it was markedly the first time she
said she was pregnant. I was like, okay, you know,
I'm going you know, I'm going in right and I'm
not and I'm not.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
You know, it was like a movie where you like, well,
whose is it?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
What you want to do? You know? It was received.
It was received with joy.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yes, you know your oldest daughter's birthday party.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, it was like, okay, and we're doing this then
then then I'm going to be all in. I'm not
doing anything else. I've been and i've been, you know,
I have, I have you know, you know all of
my I wasn't doing the I have relationship with all
my kids, and I've had a relationship with all of
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my kids for all of their life. I've been in.
I've been I was in the room when all of
my children were born, you know, three different three different mothers,
four with one and and uh and and five with well,
four with my wife, and then my wife has a daughter,
and then I have two daughters from two separate relationships.
And like, I wasn't doing that again. You know what
I'm saying. You know, it's time for you to come
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out in the deep of it and be, you know,
be in the house with the kids, be in the
house with your be in the house with your with
your wife and b and be you know, committed to
the thing. You know, how did I know? Right? I
talk a lot, so you can stop me at anything.
So when how how did I You know? I knew
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because I was going in and I wasn't looking for
I wasn't looking for a way out. You know what
it was that there's no.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
There's no what's next? Yes?
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Was there anything you had to unlearn from past relationships?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean there's you know, I could go
on and on and on. You know, the relationship is
because because I made it, because I made a decision
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to stay from the top. That means I can't walk
out of the room when I don't want to talk.
That means I gotta stay. I have to stay in
it through the upset. You know. You have to you know,
you have to stay in it. That was difficult for me,
right because up until that point is a single man.
(10:01):
I run everything right, and I got some success, you
know what I'm saying. It's like, dude, look, you know
what I'm saying, and like, no, man, you're not She's
not you know, she's not. You have to you have
to listen to what she has to say. And that's
a you know, And that's like I'm you know, and
we only post the good stuff, right, so I mean this,
(10:23):
you know. I mean, it's a lot of it's a
lot of work. It's a lot of it's a lot
of it's a lot of hard emotional work for me
having been alone for so long and really having to
connect with somebody, not just when it's romantic and when
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it's pleasant and you're out on the date and we
you know, in the islands or we travel, we didn't know.
You have to connect when it's hard. Yeah, you know
what I'm saying. And then throw kids into.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
It, right, you know, having kids, Like, like you said,
your oldest is thirty. What were you like as a
parent then? I know you were present in all of
their lives, but sometimes when you have kids when you're younger,
there's a lot of things that as a parent, like,
you don't know that later on and left. Because I
have friends who you know, had kids when they were younger,
(11:14):
and now as they've gotten you know, those kids are
grown and they have younger kids, they're like, man, I
don't want to make the mistakes that I made.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
And yeah, and that's the same for everybody. I mean,
that's the same for everybody, right, your first kid is
you know, that's that's the what's you know what I'm saying, Right,
that's for everybody. But for me, it was you know,
with my other with my my my my elder daughter
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from the other, my older daughters from the other relationship,
other relationships because I wasn't present. I wasn't they I
mean I was in their lives, but they didn't live
with me, you know what I'm saying. And I was,
you know, I was you know, I'm out here being chemistry,
you know what I'm saying. And and uh so I
would compensate for not being there by you know, uh,
(12:08):
material materialists, you know what I'm saying, and just you know,
you know, and my oldest daughter, you know, and that
was that that was uh, you know, she's in middle school,
so you know, all the parents know, you come to
the basketball games, and it's you know, and it's and
it's and it's that the one up under her don't
care about it, you know. But I would try to
compensate materialistically and uh, and to to make up for
(12:35):
for not you know, I go to their events, but
I mean, you just you just I'm just not you know,
I'm not they and actually they lived they lived in
ann Arbor, right, and I was in and I was
in uh and I was in just outside of Detroit
and Southfield. So yeah, so it's definitely And now with
the kids in the house, it's a whole other thing,
a whole thing. It's a whole other thing, right, And
(12:57):
it's you know.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Did your oldest readion what did they think of about
the memoir? And did it help them understand their father more?
Because I don't know, I don't have conversations like with
my parents about a lot of things. Yeah, and so
this probably there's a lot of stuff. I don't know.
You know, my parents are crazy. Yeah, so am I Yeah,
so I don't have Like if they wrote a memoir,
(13:18):
I would, I'm sure be shocked about a lot of
things that I've never heard them tell before. Like Jordan,
I know you're very close with your father, so I
would imagine you know a lot of stories and yeah, yeah,
what did they think?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
My older daughter was my older daughter knew knew most
of it. I think it was. It was when the
book came out. Layla was thirteen, she was she was fourteen.
Laila was thirteen or fourteen. It was hardest. It was
hardest for her. She was pissed.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Did you have conversations beforehand or did about what?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Certain things? No? I didn't. I didn't have conversations beforehand,
And I don't know. And if I had to do
it over again, I don't know. And I'm you know,
I don't. I don't know. Because that's it's it's a lot.
Because you're telling the story, you're not just you're not
just telling you I wasn't just telling my story. I
was telling other people's story. But I was keeping them.
(14:17):
But I was keeping them, but they was here though
you know what I'm saying. I mean, as far as
you know, I was never disparaging. I never you know,
any I've always uh you know, I've I take the
hits in my relationship because I know y'all think it's
to be like I live with me so right every
(14:39):
day I can't get away from it, you know what
I'm saying. But I only told the you know, I
only told what I thought was my darkness in the relationship.
I put them in the light. And you know, when
you got kids, man, like I even even even when
we were together and it wasn't good, I knew that
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my kid was going home with her, right, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
That's a mature way to a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Don't she look at her? She see you absolutely, you
know what I'm saying. So I always tried to be
you know. Now we might fight like cats and dogs
when we together, but with the kid, it was like
I'm trying to keep you know, but my my, yeah,
my and my uh my, So Layla. You know, Layel's fourteen, fifteen, fourteen, thirteen,
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fourteen years old, and the book came out and she's
highly highly emotionally intelligent, like dude, you just you know,
you haven't grown grown folks conversations with this with this
thirteen year old. Yeah, so she was. You know, I
think we've you know, we've come through the other side
of it. But it was you know, had.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
You ever had you ever been engaged before?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yes? I was engaged before.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Okay, well made it happen this time.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, I was engaged before, but I wasn't going to
get but you know I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't
going to get.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I think about a song like I Can't Stop Loving You.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
That's exactly it's that.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, yeah, talk to me. You think you can make
yourself not love somebody?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (16:10):
That's interesting.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Can you make yourself not.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Love you know how you know someone's not good for
you and like you said, it's dysfunctional. Can you make
yourself like force yourself to not love somebody anymore?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I think with time, that's my answer.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I don't know about make yourself, but with time things
do change, as your life changes and other people come
into your life. It's kind of like you forget. It's
like a replacement kind of of those feelings.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Right, but it's not if you are can you make
yourself love.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Them for all out of love, or stop loving?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
She said, can you make yourself stop loving?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, like if you're together, you know how sometimes you
just keep going back like this.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
It's a cycle, yes, and you know.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
This following anywhere to find your way back? Yeah, can
you stop? You can stop if you if you you
can stop any you can stop if you get honest
with yourself. You can stop if you want, if you really,
if you get honest with yourself, you can stop. If
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you get on. And it doesn't mean and it doesn't mean,
you don't have to stop loving them. You're not gonna stop.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
You don't.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
You can still like my my past. You know, I
still have my just mothers and my children. You know
what I'm saying, right, so that that love has changed,
you can stop. You don't have to stop loving them.
But we can't do relationship like this if we're gonna,
if we are growing and we all you know, in
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love and loving. So what you said, stop luck? Can
you stop loving somebody?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah? Like make your you know, if you're just because
a lot of times we end up in these cycles
and it's just like I just love him so much,
but you.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Have to add but then you know, but you have
to ask yourself if it's if it's if it's if
it's this toxic, Is this love? If it's this toxic,
If it's this, you know what I'm saying, It's like, dude,
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if it's like, is this this is what it is?
This is what it is? Is this what love is?
Is this really what it is? If? If me being
in relationship with you is detrimental to me.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
You gotta put yourself first.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
I mean, I'm not saying that it's not love. I'm
not saying that it's not I'm just saying this is
how we live.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Something else. We think it's love, but it's what it
is something else.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Is this really? What? Is this really? What love is?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Right?
Speaker 5 (18:51):
And I think there's a level of decision you can make.
I don't know if you can force yourself to stop
being in love with someone, but you can make different
choices to kind of ease out of that, to give
yourself the time to fall out of love or something.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Or if we're going to be the or or or Okay,
if it's this toxic and we are in love, then
it's one of us or or both of us willing
to do the work to change this thing and make
it go this way. You know what I'm saying, we're
gonna be together, then we gotta you know, you willing
to do that work with me. Yeah, then let's you know,
(19:25):
let's ease on down the road, right right. But I mean,
but if it's you know, yeah, if it's if it's
if it's toxic, you know, right, that's I think I
think that that's I think that that's something else.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
How does it feel too? I told you I was
in Detroit when you were they're introducing your new dance,
the line dance for the for the new single, which
I want to tell you had the whole city before
you even got there. Like I was there for a
couple of days, and everybody kept being like, so you know,
Kem is going to be here, so you know we're
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going to be outside, so you know, we got to
go to this concert. It was a very active weekend too.
And now you're independent. You have your own label, so
that that has to be a good feeling to have
left your label motown on good terms, returned back to
being independent, but not just return back, but made a
huge splash doing things the way that you want to
(20:21):
do them. What made you say, because you did still
have a good relationship with Motown, it's time for me
to just step back out.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah, because Motown, the the label had been in transition
for years. You know, Ethiopia was running. I've been there.
I've been there through you know, Kadar was there when
I got there, Kadar Massenberg, Sylvia Ron and then and
then you know, Ethiopia, and you know, so Ethiopia was
gone and then they were just making a lot of changes.
(20:50):
And it wasn't it was it was they were in transition,
and so was I. You know, I've been doing this
twenty three years, and landscape of the music industry or
you know, there's been a sea change in the industry,
how people consume music, you know, versus when I started,
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you know, the social media aspect of the game, the
streaming aspect of the game. And it's like, well, you know,
how do I want to move forward in this season
of my life? You know, after twenty three years, I
have a you know, a strong catalog, I have you know, publishing,
and it's like, well, you know, I need to be
(21:31):
able to move the way that I want to move.
When I want to move which I had creative control
of the moment, but there was no interest if I
wanted to release at the time that we were making
the decision, and it was something that people had been
trying to get me to do for years, you know,
you know, how to you know, they've been trying to
get me to do it, and if I wanted to release,
and I was sitting around thinking, Okay, I want to
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release some music next year, and how am I going
to do that if the label is and I can't wait,
you know, on the label or I want to put it.
I want to put a video up, and I want
to put a video up. We had a video ready
to go for a song a while back, and then
you know, the publisher and the label are fighting with
each other and so they can't put the you know,
it's like, dude, I need to be able to move
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the way that I want to move and put music
out the way that I want to put music out.
You know, I'm not tired. I'm going to continue to
make albums, but I'm not tied to making an album.
If I got something hot, I can put it out
right now. We got the infrastructure, you know, uh, you know, enlisted,
the team of industry professionals. You know, I don't have
a manager. You know, I sit to have a table
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and you know, we throw everything on the table and
we make decisions and we execute, you know, and and
today right now, in this moment, you know, it's working
out pretty good.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
And if you want to DJ, you have one at home.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
You know what I'm saying, right, you know what I'm saying.
So everybody in my house works right, Yeah, So it's good.
It felt good to be in Detroit and and to
be able to do that at home. You know, love
is the love of Detroit for me, is really.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
The love you shout out to my girl Sharon. Yes,
I heard out there because she just kept being like
can this came that she would not like. I was like,
come on, Charon, let's go. She loves you so much.
But all of Detroit. Yes, when I watched the news
and I saw everybody doing a new dance, it was
like Cam's about to introduce a new dance. We got
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to make sure we're ready for it. So that's just
it's got to feel good to have that hometown support always.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yeah, absolutely nothing happens, but I mean I'm not sitting here,
you know, without the love of Detroit. That first album,
Chemistry was built on the love the love of Detroit.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
And that you hit the ground with that. That was
like grassroots, you know, just going door to door like barbershops.
Yeah yeah, remember C yeahmember C right, what a grind
that way.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
But you know the thing is, it's like now is
an independent If that's how, if that's how my fans
they want, you want a CD, I'll give you a C.
I'll give you. I'll give you.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
What you want.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, listen.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
So being that you met your wife at a you know,
I think me and greed, like you said, she wasn't
necessarily she you know, came to the concert. Has anybody
ever said anything crazy to you? Like people that came there,
women to try to you know, like I'm sure you've
heard crazy things before, what like what trying to shoot
their shot?
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Yeah, it's like the crazy.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
No, I don't really, you know, I mean I think
the most, you know, the most I get is like
I'm you know, I'm you know, I'm uh, you're my.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Husband, Okay, you know you know, yeah, fans or not,
that's as crazy as a get. Yeah, like you know,
what about a stalker. You ever had stalkers?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, that's now, that's that's not yeah, or people who
are just that. I don't know that she's uh, you know,
she's not you know, I probably shouldn't be given her
any like, but she's just not somebody who's following me
around with somebody who's who's digitally like a pro you
know what. I'm like, you gotta like this, like, you know,
you here see a lot of stuff like this right here, dude,
(25:25):
you got to yeah, right, keep your pistol on.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
You definitely have somebody.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I've had some really awful around.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
She I had somebody that was like posting my parents
and like it was in a coffin, like I'm going
to kill your parents, posting their addresses, you know everything.
I had to like get a restraining order to find
out who it was. And it's a hard process to
find out who it is online. You have to like
get the police, have to get an IP address. Yeah,
(25:56):
they have to do all of that. But in order
to even be able to get that, you know, they
have to get like a yeah, like a search warrant
or whatever to be able to pull that information. Yea,
And yeah, when I tell you I was stressed a lot. Yeah,
and especially you know, sometimes you can't even post where
you're gonna be because you don't want people to know
(26:16):
that you're not going to be at home and that
you're traveling. But then as a public person, you have
to post I'm going to be here, come and join me.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
So social media definitely a gift and a curse. You know,
dms exist that we can slide into. Now, what do
you think about online dating? Not for you, but in general, Like,
you know, people have different views of it, but I'm
just curious, like, what are your thoughts about if somebody was, like,
(26:47):
I'm trying to find somebody, you think I should try
online dating?
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I don't have a you know, I don't. Yeah, I
don't have an opinion on it really. I mean, if
you meet you up and that's how, if that's how
you meet your person and it's working for you, then
it's you know, then it's all good. You can meet
somebody anywhere.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Because you know, I had Jordan's send an invite to
one of my friends to dating site, and so it's
been interesting.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Has she gone on a date yet?
Speaker 1 (27:12):
She said, there's like a lot of white guys on there,
ye and yeah, and she said it's very hard to
like date black guys on these sites for some reason.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yeah, that would be real complicated for me. I mean
it's I mean, not not even as you know, I mean,
as you are. That's a lot. Like I mean, just
as a person on the outside looking in. It's like, dude,
that's that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I mean, it's just I mean, it's just me like
meeting someone in person, but virtually right, And.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I guess it's also you know, depending on I mean,
and you know, the younger, younger generation, it's a different
you know, it's a different time, you know. I mean
these you know people today are you know, they're there
in their phones. You know, they live in their phone.
So I guess anything. I mean, you know, if you
meet somebody who's sends you a message on social media,
(28:03):
that's the same thing. Yeah, I mean mm hmm. You
just don't know who, I mean, how do you? I mean,
it's just too much, it's too much going on, man, how.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Do you know who's who?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
And like what's what?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
But you also don't know when you meet somebody in person, right, you.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Also don't know.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
But at least you right, that's the person and you
can see if there's nobody anybody, I can see, right,
And I'm glad you said lie to me because you
know we love that song.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
And is it ever okay in a relationship to lie?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Now?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
On the way here, I was telling Jazmin, I was like,
I want my boyfriend to tell me that I'm getting
fat because she we were having this conversation.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Because someone, because someone I'm dating, said they don't want
me to get they don't really want me to gain weight.
And then we started talking about and.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I was like, I wish my boyfriend would be like, Angela,
you are getting fat, like we have to do something
about that.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
And I'm a palled that she wants something like want
somebody to say not somebody.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Man, right if you're talking about if you're talking about
and just because I don't think is it is it
okay to lie in your relationship? I would say no,
that don't mean that people don't do it, But you
got to be like you have to and not just
in relationship. Dude, you have to want to know the truth.
M hm. You have to know. I want to know
(29:23):
what I want to know what you think about me, do.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
You want to know the truth at all times?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I want to know what I want to know. I
don't want to know. Okay, I don't want to know
the truth at all time, but I want to know.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
What does that mean? Looking crazy?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
You're looking crazy if I ask.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
You that, I want you to tell me the truth
right now.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I want you to tell me.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I want to tell me.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
I want to know.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
This is somebody's talking about spending your life with in somebody,
this is your riot or dying, and they can't say
what they need to say to you. That's a problem.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Well, I don't think he feels like that. I think
that he loves you the way you are like. I
think he's like.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
And there's that then then and then.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
You can say that, but be like since you sliding like.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
But you can. But the thing is Ange is aware
when her body changes.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah, but do you need him to tell you?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Because I think that that helped me motiv that was
my point happening. You know, critiques like let's just say
you did had an off night on stage, right, and
you know you're you ask your wife was it really bad?
And it was? But wouldn't you rather she be like, no, baby,
it was you know, it's not like what you know,
but it was, it was fine.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I want her to say if I well, here's the thing,
because if I have an off night, I know it's
all you're aware. And if you tell me that, you
tell me that it was okay, that's the problem because
I already know that it was. Don't even don't even
don't even say that to me.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, because like what if you were like, well, did
anybody notice? And she knows people were like, kimo, what's
going on? But you don't want her to tell you
people like if people said that.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah, yeah, she's she's she's pulling my coldest you know,
and she'll ask me, you know, can I you know,
can I tell you something?
Speaker 1 (31:12):
You know somebody somebody says that you.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Don't want to and you don't want to, I mean,
just because it's not uh can I tell you something?
We have to be able to say and receive the
hard things. Hmmm. I mean I think that's terrible but uncomfortable.
That's where the growth is.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
That is I want to hear it doesn't But what
about this? Do you want to hear when you're wrong?
Like because sometimes you vent to somebody and you just
want to vent. But do you want to hear well
you were wrong?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
In Yeah, I can let I can let you. I
can let you vent. Do I want to hear that
I do I want to hear? Yeah? Do I want
to hear that I'm wrong?
Speaker 4 (32:07):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:07):
I don't. I mean, do I want to hear that
I'm wrong? I? I would. I would like to think
that I want to hear what I'm wrong. But like
when you're in the if, I'm just in the heat
of a thing, Yes, that's you know, yeah, just let
(32:28):
me vent, Just let me vent. But I'm gonna have
to circle back. But I have to circle back around, right.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I think it's proper.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
It's fine because I could be venting, like and I
know I'm wrong, but just like I know that I
know it's happening. I know that I got to come back.
I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna have to come back
around and like and like deal with this. But like
in the moment, you know, it's just.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, Now do you performed at your own wedding too?
Speaker 7 (32:58):
Right?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yes, that's a Can you imagine how amazing that is?
Speaker 3 (33:01):
She didn't know?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I mean, that is so dope.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
She thought it was going to be Ribbon in the Sky.
That's what was on though on the thing. But I sang,
sure in my life, how beautiful is that?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Are you nervous? You never know it could be.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
That's with all your family and friends and her family
and friends and everybody right there.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah, that's special.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
What can we expect as far as new music, you know,
we've heard give My Love, Give my Love.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Rock with Me is the next the next single. It's
actually it's dropping. I don't know what this is, but
it's dropping on on Friday. The next ballad, give my Love.
We was a digital stream and release Rock with Me.
We're swinging for.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
The fences, okay, CEO, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
So we're you know, I'm really really excited about the
new music. I'm in a creative space doing a jazz
project later this year with Robert glasper.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Uh that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Pan tribute to uh. Well, you know Algiou was Algiero's
jazz singer, and he used to every time I saw him.
When I first came out, people compared me to Algiero,
and and over the years of doing shows, like I
would see him and we do shows together, and he'd
say he would always say we should do a song,
we should do an album together called Alchemy.
Speaker 7 (34:33):
Okay, right, and so so this this and I and
one of my biggest musical regrets is that we never
got a chance to like work together.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
So I'm gonna do a project called.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Alchemy with It's a tribute to a few.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Algiro songs and some and some some jazz versions of
my catalog and some original music.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Too, whatever, whatever and whatever. So hearing is re recording things,
you know, right, isn't that logistically as far as like
being able to release stuff but rerecord it.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah, there's a I think there's a They were telling
me there was a clause like I have to wait
a period of time before I re record, But I
don't know that I wor.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
You know, it doesn't matter to you.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Yeah, my catalog's making money, so it's right, are you
own your masters? Like now, I didn't sign a deal
where I owned my masters, but I still make money
on the masters, and going forward, I own the masters,
So it's you know, you know, I don't know that
I would.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
You know, I mean people think about those things. Yeah,
so too, we see that because when you think about
how much money the label makes and then how much
money they make and you make in comparison. Sometimes it
feels like, let me just go on ahead and re
record this and tell people to stream this. So yeah,
but you can't.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
I mean, yeah, I get it, you know, I get it.
You know, but that's those you know, those records are
That's that's what it was. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
And I could re record it, you know, but if
I re record love calls, it ain't gonna do what
the original is doing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Okay, but if you did, it's.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Still I can still record and like I'll take I'll
take those checks.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
But I can do it as a jazz version too, though,
you know That's what i'mane. Yeah you did a live Yeah, okay.
How important is money to you? Because I think about
what you've been through, you know, being in a dark
space and then being able to come out of that.
(36:37):
How do you what is your relationship with money?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Does it make you it doesn't make me work?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Does it make you feel like because some of us
come from a mindset of you don't know if it's
going to be gone, or it could make you do
the opposite and feel like it's not that important.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
That's a lot. My relationship with money, it's a dance
because I will not I will not compromise. All money
ain't good money. I will not compromise my values just
to chase, just to get a check. I you know,
(37:20):
I don't. I don't work for money. I work for
because I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. And
money is a benefit that comes the other side of
that is no, it ain't never enough right, and whether
or not I can have, whether the bank account is
set or whether it's lean, it's always you know, anxiety
(37:42):
around it. But I've never not had enough. Okay, I
got more than I I've never not had enough. I've
never not right. It's always it's always been okay. It's
always been okay. You know. So my what I'm doing,
my job, it's not my my job is not is
(38:02):
not my source. You know, God is my It's my source.
You know. My job is to is to come out
here and create. And I'm always and I'm always taking
care of But it's a but it's a dance. It's
a dance. You know. I like nice things. I like
to spend money, I save money, I give money. It's definitely.
It's a dance, you know, and if somebody gets you know,
(38:27):
knows how to check all the boxes on that. And
I know there are a lot of books on it,
and there's a lot of information on it, you know,
And I think and maybe and maybe the dance is
where you're supposed to be, right, Maybe the dance is
where you're supposed it's.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
An ongoing relationship morph and change, and you know, you.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Need to pay attention. You know. It's like I'm afraid
I'm gonna be homeless again. It's like, dude, you've been
making records for twenty three years. What are you talking about?
You know.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
But a lot of us grow up with a scarcity
they call it like a scarcity mindset, yeah where it's
yeah where. Sometimes there's people who are literally like I
will not have a mortgage because I'm scared that something
could potentially happen, or we're always scared that we could
lose it all. And there's certain we might hold onto
things and not want to invest and not take a risk.
There's just different ways that we deal with money, and
(39:14):
a lot of that is based on what we've learned
from our past experiences and from our parents. Too, because
sometimes our parents, you know, how they dealt with money
can be traumatizing for us too.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yeah, I'm a work in progress.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
How did you decide that this was the time to
put out your memoir? Because I know that's never an
easy decision, and I know you know that was And
I know your mother and yourself had like great conversations
right for this to come out and for this to happen,
and she was supportive. But how did you know that
this was the time.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
It was at the time that the memoir, at the book,
at the time the book came out was probably tw
years at Motown, you know. And it was a good
you know, yeah, you know, And we had been I'd
been talking about my co author, David Ritz. I had
actually met him, like during the first album we were
I was out in LA with him talking about doing
doing a book. It's like, dude, you ain't you know,
(40:16):
you ain't done nothing yet, you know what I'm saying,
just got a story, but you Yeah, So twenty years
was a good you know, it was a it was
a good a good it was a good place I thought.
I think it was the exact right time, you know,
writing love songs for twenty years and not you know
and now and at that time like being married, being
(40:38):
in uh you know, being married, you know, good, it
was good perspective, It was it was the right the
right time for the first book.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Oh first, there's going to be a second another one. Yeah,
this is a new chapter right now.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Story what I mean? Would you like to expand upon
what the second book is going to be on?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I don't know, but you're you're still living it.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Yeah, well yeah, I don't want to know.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
You want to hear it.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
And somebody does, Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Was it scary for you to put that out?
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Not from the like I know my I know my
story and I know and I've done the work of
going through all that stuff and processing all that stuff.
I think the most uncomfortable thing about it was again
like I was telling other people's stories, right, you know,
and you know and I didn't and I still you know,
and I didn't know how and still don't know in
(41:37):
a lot of cases, like how it sits with certain people,
you know, but it's what you have resonated's like, but dude,
but I told you know, but I told you truth.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
I took the high road in doing it, Like yeah,
because you've been telling a lot about yourself lately. She
actually narrated and was one of the producers for the
Magic City docuseries on Stars. You think you're going to
do your book to write, Yes, I'm working on it. Okay,
I know you have been working out it's like what happened,
it's still being worked on. How do you decide, like
(42:08):
what to you know, because I'm sure there's things that
are interesting that you have to or that you choose
to leave out.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
Yeah, you know, we gotta protect the innocent parties, even
though they may have been a part of the story.
I do plan to tell a lot of the stories
without divulging.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Who they're at actually about. Okay, maybe got to get
a name, yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
Because you know, for one, it's a secret society all
we access trust, and for two, I might be telling
my truth, but I don't want someone else's life and
or relationship to be affected by what happened years ago.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Okay in our past, right. You know, people always talk
about how the music business is such a crazy place,
but it feels like you've managed to avoid a lot
of that. Yeah, you know, and just kind of mind
your business.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I had to, you know,
the the party side of my life early. You know,
I'm really I'm a square, you know, after parties like
also show, dude, I'm back at the whole, like you know,
a quiet life, you.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Know, a great quiet life, quiet.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Life, you know, I don't, you know, don't I don't
need a whole lot of excitement, a whole lot of drama,
a whole lot of you know, I'm just I'm just
not there. It doesn't it doesn't like and when you change,
when you change that, when you change that, those things
don't even they're not It's like it's not even the
same vibration. It doesn't even come in the it doesn't
(43:42):
even come in the it's not even in my in
my sphere, the chaos is not you know, because I'm
not even I'm not even attracting that type of energy.
I'm not even participating in that. And then if you are,
you coming to my presence, you know that that's you know,
what you know is off, Like.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Immediately I'm gonna give you that look, Jackson, would you
write a book about your life? You think?
Speaker 2 (44:11):
I don't know, because I just feel like I don't
want to. I would have to do it. Without naming people.
And also like I don't want to hurt or embarrass
my parents because they're involved in like some of the
yes of my stuff, So I don't I wouldn't want
to expose them and embarrass them, you know what I mean.
So I don't know how I could do that without
them being upset.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
It's a lot of what we say about how things
have to be like secretive and hidden with.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
The family, you know. You know, I don't know that
if I had to do it again, I don't know.
I mean we did, It's not everything ain't in the
book of course, Right, there's a lot of stuff like
you just can't you know, And I don't know that.
I don't know if I would, if I would do
it differently. I think that a lot of that, a
(44:55):
lot of that dysfunction and a lot of the trauma
in our in our family, in our family of family
of origin. You know, my book addressed that, you know,
it addressed a lot of that stuff that like nobody
will talk about that, nobody will ever have a conversation about. Right,
(45:17):
And then like in the case in point, because like
I've talked about a lot of things and nobody has
said anything to me.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
About you know what I'm saying, you just had things
giving like I mean, but there's.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
A lot to it, right because you know, you know,
you look at it as a public figure, and that's
a whole bunch into that, you know what I'm saying.
Why people wouldn't you know? You know? And I also
won't say because they know because they know that it's
a lot of you know, they know they know what
the truth is. It's true.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah, if it's true, I mean, yeah, they're not gonna
say to you about it though.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
I always think that's just the hardest part when you
think about how you don't want to hurt other people,
but it's the truth.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Would you what about you? Would you write a book
and share stuff about your life that.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Is well, I don't want to do it unless I
could be honest, and I don't think at this point
I can. Yeah, but later on in life, but later
on in life everything then I'm like, that's gonna be
in the book. But I'm kidding, no, I already had
a name for it. I'll tell you off there because
I don't want nobody to take my idea, just like
nobody take it.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
If you do.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
Since I'm kind of like Jasmine, I think my dad
would have to be dead. There's certain things I don't
want him to know about me. They just aren't and
he would. He wants me to write a book so bad.
I'm like, well, you're never gonna read it. Yeah, sorry,
you definitely can't.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
The thing is the way she said it, like he
got to be dead, not passed on and love you never.
I feel like you can be completely honest though.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Let me ask you this. Let's just say your kids
one of them had a diary. Would you read it
if you were alone in the house and you're like, oh,
what's diary? Would you want to.
Speaker 7 (47:08):
Probably not show that.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, my mom went in my diary before when I
was a kid. Yeah, she was devastated.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Whether you were trying to write no book, it's fictional.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
I was writing as a kid.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
You just got to tell them that it's not true. Now,
one thing I have to say about your life, it
feels like you've had angels that kind of step in
and are like, okay, this is what we do you
feel that like, do you feel like you've somehow It
just feels like, you know how you can say you're
(47:45):
here for a purpose, it just feels like things happen
or people come in your life, and if you accept it,
it really does like change the trajectory.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
Yeah, I don't know that I've that I've seen it
at the time, but in hindsight, Yeah, there have been
people who you know, but you know, and that's one thing,
you know, we we you never know how what you say, well,
how you interact with somebody can change the trajectory of
(48:16):
their life. You don't you don't even know. People have
had conversation with me that changed my whole thing and
they don't even And the same is true for us.
We talked to people in like a light goes on, man,
and it changed their You know, I think we're all
we I think we all have that if we're paying
you know, if you're paying attention and you and you're
ready to and you're ready to do the work or
you're ready to do whatever that thing is. You know. Yeah,
(48:41):
there are people who then they had you know, the
guy who when I got sober, the guy who the
guy who I followed him to he was we were
in the in a in a treatment center and he
was my bunkie that were probably by a six dude
(49:01):
sleeping in a room in this place. And and he was, uh,
and he was getting sober, and he was, you know,
he was getting them. I was coming off the streets,
he was you know, I had nice clothes, he was
going back to school, he was starting to work again,
and he was always had all this positive stuff to say.
And I was envious. I was jealous of him. I
was so jealous that I started following him around and
(49:23):
found out what he was doing, you know. And and
his name was Ronald Clowney and he chained and and
and and and he is a big reason that I'm
that I'm sober today. And uh, And I had a
chance to you on Facebook somewhere, you know. He he
popped up and I had a chance to sit down,
like dude, you had and he had And this is
like he didn't know. He knew that I was, that
(49:47):
I was making music, but I hadn't talked to him
in what twenty five years, you know, and to tell
him after twenty five years, like, dude, you know, the
reason I'm sober is because you.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
You were my inspiration.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
I hated you so much.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
What do you mean you were following him around?
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Following him around? I was doing it. I started doing
the things that he was doing. Okay, you know, I
started doing the things that he was doing, and he
introduced me to more people who were doing the things,
who were doing the same thing, you know, and yeah,
changed changed everything. You know.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
What was his response to you telling him that.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
He was He was grateful and then he passed. And
then he passed away like thirty days later.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
I'm glad, you glad you had a chance to at least, like,
you know that, have that conversation with him. You know,
there's so much shame for people when they have to
go into a facility and get treatment. I interviewed an
artist ones and we discussed him getting sober, but behind
the scenes he was like he tried to seem like
he did it on his own, and then afterward he
was like, I really did go to rehabit. I just
(50:49):
don't want people to know that. Yeah, you know, how
was that for you? Like being able to.
Speaker 3 (50:55):
Don't care, you don't care to save somebody's life.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Yeah, that's what I and rehab It's not the right.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
And we got this thing where, like you think, you know, celebrities,
we get in trouble and we go to rehab for
two weeks and we come out and we're cool. It's
not that, you know, it's not that you know, it's
a lifetime of continuing to make, to try to do,
to keep doing you know, the next right, there's a
lot of work that has been You take a lifetime
to get that. To get messed up. You know, it
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takes it takes time, and it takes and it takes work.
You can't go someplace and get fixed and get cured.
It's a good start, it's a place, you know, it's
a launching pad. But like dude, you you know, you
need to continue some type of support after you get
out of that. It's a lifelong process. Whatever it is,
whether you're talking about recovery from alcohol and drugs, you're
(51:44):
talking about overeating, you're talking about getting your finances, whatever
it is, the principles for getting.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Right. I'm gonna work on that. Thank you for your
lifelong struggle for so. Return to Love that's the name
of the new project.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
That's just the theme of what we're Yeah, that's the path.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Why not call it? Okay, call her?
Speaker 3 (52:16):
You could Return to Love an album? Yeah, yeah, I
mean yeah, there's a record in there. Somewhere. It's a
great title, That's.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (52:25):
One of my favorite books.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
It's called A Return to Maryanne Williams. Yeah, yeah, I
know Mary Well mary Anne. Well, remember she was running
for president. Yep, running for president. But Marianne used to
run a church that I used to sing at called
Renaissance Unity in Detroit. I started singing in the choir.
She was a senior, the senior pastor.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
I said the good thing about her running for president
and made a lot more people know about her.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
You know, sometimes running for office is not necessarily about winning. Yeah,
it's about also the programs.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
Your profile s got a lot of churches too, Yeah,
every place.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
There's a lot of churches everywhere.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
We got so every corner. Yes, I mean I think
Brooklyn I have the most churches person where my.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
Not d C.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
Well. I just want to close this out with some
advice for anybody who's listening. If you've ever thought that
maybe you want him to perform at your wedding, you
should propose at one of his shows.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
Wow were you.
Speaker 4 (53:25):
Were you inspired by You worked as a wedding singer
at the Ritz Carlton?
Speaker 3 (53:31):
Yeah, well, I worked at the I worked at the
Ritz Carlton as a as a waiter. And you but
I say, but I was away. I left the Rich
Carlton and started singing and started.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
Singing at weddings.
Speaker 4 (53:40):
Were you inspired by that to sing at your own
wedding or was it just purely you wanted to serenade
your wife in that moment.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
I wanted to serenade my wife.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
I was being a wedding singer. That's a you know,
that's a whole movie. Anyway, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
You know, I learned how to perform singing at weddings,
you know, And and I was making money doing what
I you know, I left my I was making money
making music.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
There's nothing like when you go to a wedding and
the band is good and the singing is good, and
then there's nothing worse in a wedding where the music
is terrible, Like get me out of here. Yes, because I've.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
Been to the music's bathrooms.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
You're like, oh gosh, all right, guys, let's wrap this up.
You know, but that must have been amazing. I wonder
if people remember, like you know, Cam saying it our
wedding like back then, that's what a what a nice thing.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
To have.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
That's hilarious. We need some of that footage.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
Please know you went from singing at people's weddings to
having wedding songs for people that they want to hear
at their wedding.
Speaker 3 (54:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
Well, thank you so much for coming through. I know
this is a different type of show for you, but
I was excited for you to be here.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
Well, I'm glad that I came and this was good.
I enjoyed it. We appreciate thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
I feel good next time, nasty, No, I'm kidding.
Speaker 3 (55:02):
This is war.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
Now he's comfortable.
Speaker 4 (55:04):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
Do we have an album release date?
Speaker 3 (55:08):
No?
Speaker 1 (55:08):
Okay, okay, twenty six.
Speaker 3 (55:11):
We'll do it twenty six. Sometimes we'll put it out.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Okay, all right, Well, thank you so much for joining us.
It was an honor for real, absolutely truly the definition
and epitome of longevity and class.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
Thank you, thank you,
All right, it is lip service. I'm Angela Yee, I'm
g G Maguire, Hey girl.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm Jazzmine brand Geordie George.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
And I'm hey Kim.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
How are you welcome to the show? Listen? I told
them earlier, I said, when Kim comes, I feel like
we need to get all kinds of advice from him.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yes, How do you feel about being in that position
now where we're looking to you like manifesting love okay,
and learning how to listen and take the signs and
open ourselves up to be able to feel like we
(00:41):
can trust you know, these are all things that we
have to learn.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
We can manifest it.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Is that what you're saying, Can you manifest? Yeah, that's
a lot. Can you manifest it? Can you manifest? Do
you want to manifest it?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yes? I think it's possible manifestation. You know, if you
say something and you want it so bad, not so bad,
but if you have to sometimes speak it out loud
and say this is what I want to try to
make it happen. And sometimes we're scared to admit what
we want to.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
It's true.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Can you manifest it? You can manifest that which is
meant for you to have if it's in alignment with
what God has for you. Just because you speak something
out loud don't necessarily make it so if it's not
in alignment with what the truth is. Okay, you know
(01:45):
what I'm saying. I want to be an NBA player.
I want to be a baller, right me saying me
speaking that out loud doesn't make it.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
So.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
You know, when you're talking about when you're talking about
love and you're talking about relationship, like for real, for real,
like out in the deep of love, you know it's
about it. Don't start with the other person, right, The
relationship is not just about the other person. The relationship
(02:16):
is really is in part, it's about the relationship that
you have with yourself.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
I'm just thinking about we saw your love story and
how you met your wife and it was at a
meet and greet, yeah, in Atlanta at that point in
your life, do you feel like your slate was clean
for that? Were there things that you had to reckon
with yourselves? Because you know, sometimes when you meet somebody,
we have like a lot of other things going on
(02:47):
and we're not necessarily open to find that. What was
your situation like and what did you have to do
to get in preparation.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I wasn't when I met my wife, I wasn't looking.
And and I had come out of a dysfunctional relationship
that had gone on for a long time. And and
the and the person and the person that I was
(03:19):
in a relationship with. You know, I still have I
still have love for her, and she and she she
she got she changed and it forced me to change.
And I had to step back and look at the
season that I was in my life. And so I
wasn't doing nothing. You know, I wasn't looking. You know,
(03:40):
I stopped. I surrendered to the idea that, you know,
maybe I need to just you know, sit down for
a minute. You know, maybe I need to stop picking them,
you know. And I wasn't looking and my wife, you know,
(04:04):
and I can go right and if you've read the book,
then you know, I mean, I can go on and
on about how serendipitous, how how divine it was, and
it wasn't. It wasn't uh love at first sight, but
it was it was really something that you know, she
(04:26):
had never she wasn't a fan, and she had never
been to a chem show. You know, somebody told her
to go to the meet and greet, and I'm never
and I've never been the artist who's on stage like, yeah,
you know, bring her backstage, yeah, bring her backstaf. I've
never I've never been never done that. I've never done.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I wouldn't view you like that. I would be surprised
if somebody was like and the cam told me.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Sarity came and got me and we took a picture together,
and then and she was walking away. I was trying
to and I was trying to talk and you know,
and I'm really an introvert pretending to be an extrovert,
and I was trying to talk to I was trying
to holler at her without letting anybody around me know
that I was trying to holler at her. And we
(05:18):
kept in when we kept in contact. That was in Atlanta.
That was in probably November of twenty fifteen, and our
first and then we had our first date in January
of twenty fifteen, New Year's Eve, and it was just
and it was just New Year's Eve.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
It's wild.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
It was New Year's Eve. I flew to I flew
to h I flew to Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Y'all must have been having some good conversations, was.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Having good you know, and I was just you know, savage.
I love it says, when the student is ready, the
teacher appears. You know, I was, I was. I was
open right, you say you started, you started open, be
open to? You know, I was open to. I was
open to. I was, I was, I was surrendered. And yeah.
(06:08):
So our first date was was New Year's Eve and
we just you know, and it was just bam bam.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
How did you know that she was that she was
the one? How did you know?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
How did I know that she was the one?
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I know that she's the one because I married her.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
How did you know because I married her got it
the one? At what? At what point when.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I knew that I was going to enter into this
relationship without looking for an exit strategy? When I knew
when she we? I was at uh. We have seven
kids between us. The oldest is thirty, the youngest is one.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yes, lord crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
And I was at the oldest daughter's birthday party in
Detroit and we were because we were you know, she
was in Atlanta, was in Detroit, and and she called
me and told me that she called me, and I
stepped out of the party to talk to her and
she said she was on it. She was coming back
from a cruise with her mother, and she said, she
(07:12):
told me she was pregnant with our son. And you know,
I said, okay. I said, okay, okay, you know, and
and at that moment, it was like, Okay, I'm all,
I'm all, I'm all in. This is real. You know
what I'm saying. You know, it was like, you know,
I'm all, I'm all. I love all my kids. But
(07:32):
it was like it was markedly the first time she
said she was pregnant. I was like, okay, you know,
I'm going you know, I'm going in right and I'm
not and I'm not.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
You know, it was like a movie where you like, well,
whose is it?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
What you want to do? You know? It was received.
It was received with joy.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yes, you know your oldest daughter's birthday party.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Yeah, it was like, okay, and we're doing this then
then then I'm going to be all in. I'm not
doing anything else. I've been and i've been, you know,
I have, I have you know, you know all of
my I wasn't doing the I have relationship with all
my kids, and I've had a relationship with all of
(08:20):
my kids for all of their life. I've been in.
I've been I was in the room when all of
my children were born, you know, three different three different mothers,
four with one and and uh and and five with well,
four with my wife, and then my wife has a daughter,
and then I have two daughters from two separate relationships.
And like, I wasn't doing that again. You know what
I'm saying. You know, it's time for you to come
(08:42):
out in the deep of it and be, you know,
be in the house with the kids, be in the
house with your be in the house with your with
your wife and b and be you know, committed to
the thing. You know, how did I know? Right? I
talk a lot, so you can stop me at anything.
So when how how did I You know? I knew
(09:02):
because I was going in and I wasn't looking for
I wasn't looking for a way out. You know what
it was that there's no.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
There's no what's next? Yes?
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Was there anything you had to unlearn from past relationships?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean there's you know, I could go
on and on and on. You know, the relationship is
because because I made it, because I made a decision
(09:40):
to stay from the top. That means I can't walk
out of the room when I don't want to talk.
That means I gotta stay. I have to stay in
it through the upset. You know. You have to you know,
you have to stay in it. That was difficult for me,
right because up until that point is a single man.
(10:01):
I run everything right, and I got some success, you
know what I'm saying. It's like, dude, look, you know
what I'm saying, and like, no, man, you're not She's
not you know, she's not. You have to you have
to listen to what she has to say. And that's
a you know, And that's like I'm you know, and
we only post the good stuff, right, so I mean this,
(10:23):
you know. I mean, it's a lot of it's a
lot of work. It's a lot of it's a lot
of it's a lot of hard emotional work for me
having been alone for so long and really having to
connect with somebody, not just when it's romantic and when
(10:44):
it's pleasant and you're out on the date and we
you know, in the islands or we travel, we didn't know.
You have to connect when it's hard. Yeah, you know
what I'm saying. And then throw kids into.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
It, right, you know, having kids, Like, like you said,
your oldest is thirty. What were you like as a
parent then? I know you were present in all of
their lives, but sometimes when you have kids when you're younger,
there's a lot of things that as a parent, like,
you don't know that later on and left. Because I
have friends who you know, had kids when they were younger,
(11:14):
and now as they've gotten you know, those kids are
grown and they have younger kids, they're like, man, I
don't want to make the mistakes that I made.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
And yeah, and that's the same for everybody. I mean,
that's the same for everybody, right, your first kid is
you know, that's that's the what's you know what I'm saying, Right,
that's for everybody. But for me, it was you know,
with my other with my my my my elder daughter
(11:44):
from the other, my older daughters from the other relationship,
other relationships because I wasn't present. I wasn't they I
mean I was in their lives, but they didn't live
with me, you know what I'm saying. And I was,
you know, I was you know, I'm out here being chemistry,
you know what I'm saying. And and uh so I
would compensate for not being there by you know, uh,
(12:08):
material materialists, you know what I'm saying, and just you know,
you know, and my oldest daughter, you know, and that
was that that was uh, you know, she's in middle school,
so you know, all the parents know, you come to
the basketball games, and it's you know, and it's and
it's and it's that the one up under her don't
care about it, you know. But I would try to
compensate materialistically and uh, and to to make up for
(12:35):
for not you know, I go to their events, but
I mean, you just you just I'm just not you know,
I'm not they and actually they lived they lived in
ann Arbor, right, and I was in and I was
in uh and I was in just outside of Detroit
and Southfield. So yeah, so it's definitely And now with
the kids in the house, it's a whole other thing,
a whole thing. It's a whole other thing, right, And
(12:57):
it's you know.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Did your oldest readion what did they think of about
the memoir? And did it help them understand their father more?
Because I don't know, I don't have conversations like with
my parents about a lot of things. Yeah, and so
this probably there's a lot of stuff. I don't know.
You know, my parents are crazy. Yeah, so am I Yeah,
so I don't have Like if they wrote a memoir,
(13:18):
I would, I'm sure be shocked about a lot of
things that I've never heard them tell before. Like Jordan,
I know you're very close with your father, so I
would imagine you know a lot of stories and yeah, yeah,
what did they think?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
My older daughter was my older daughter knew knew most
of it. I think it was. It was when the
book came out. Layla was thirteen, she was she was fourteen.
Laila was thirteen or fourteen. It was hardest. It was
hardest for her. She was pissed.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Did you have conversations beforehand or did about what?
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Certain things? No? I didn't. I didn't have conversations beforehand,
And I don't know. And if I had to do
it over again, I don't know. And I'm you know,
I don't. I don't know. Because that's it's it's a lot.
Because you're telling the story, you're not just you're not
just telling you I wasn't just telling my story. I
was telling other people's story. But I was keeping them.
(14:17):
But I was keeping them, but they was here though
you know what I'm saying. I mean, as far as
you know, I was never disparaging. I never you know,
any I've always uh you know, I've I take the
hits in my relationship because I know y'all think it's
to be like I live with me so right every
(14:39):
day I can't get away from it, you know what
I'm saying. But I only told the you know, I
only told what I thought was my darkness in the relationship.
I put them in the light. And you know, when
you got kids, man, like I even even even when
we were together and it wasn't good, I knew that
(14:59):
my kid was going home with her, right, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
That's a mature way to a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Don't she look at her? She see you absolutely, you
know what I'm saying. So I always tried to be
you know. Now we might fight like cats and dogs
when we together, but with the kid, it was like
I'm trying to keep you know, but my my, yeah,
my and my uh my, So Layla. You know, Layel's fourteen, fifteen, fourteen, thirteen,
(15:25):
fourteen years old, and the book came out and she's
highly highly emotionally intelligent, like dude, you just you know,
you haven't grown grown folks conversations with this with this
thirteen year old. Yeah, so she was. You know, I
think we've you know, we've come through the other side
of it. But it was you know, had.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
You ever had you ever been engaged before?
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yes? I was engaged before.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Okay, well made it happen this time.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, I was engaged before, but I wasn't going to
get but you know I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't
going to get.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I think about a song like I Can't Stop Loving You.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
That's exactly it's that.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, yeah, talk to me. You think you can make
yourself not love somebody?
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Huh?
Speaker 4 (16:10):
That's interesting.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Can you make yourself not.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Love you know how you know someone's not good for
you and like you said, it's dysfunctional. Can you make
yourself like force yourself to not love somebody anymore?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I think with time, that's my answer.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
I don't know about make yourself, but with time things
do change, as your life changes and other people come
into your life. It's kind of like you forget. It's
like a replacement kind of of those feelings.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Right, but it's not if you are can you make
yourself love.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Them for all out of love, or stop loving?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
She said, can you make yourself stop loving?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, like if you're together, you know how sometimes you
just keep going back like this.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
It's a cycle, yes, and you know.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
This following anywhere to find your way back? Yeah, can
you stop? You can stop if you if you you
can stop any you can stop if you get honest
with yourself. You can stop if you want, if you really,
if you get honest with yourself, you can stop. If
(17:21):
you get on. And it doesn't mean and it doesn't mean,
you don't have to stop loving them. You're not gonna stop.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
You don't.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
You can still like my my past. You know, I
still have my just mothers and my children. You know
what I'm saying, right, so that that love has changed,
you can stop. You don't have to stop loving them.
But we can't do relationship like this if we're gonna,
if we are growing and we all you know, in
(17:49):
love and loving. So what you said, stop luck? Can
you stop loving somebody?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Yeah? Like make your you know, if you're just because
a lot of times we end up in these cycles
and it's just like I just love him so much,
but you.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Have to add but then you know, but you have
to ask yourself if it's if it's if it's if
it's this toxic, Is this love? If it's this toxic,
If it's this, you know what I'm saying, It's like, dude,
(18:21):
if it's like, is this this is what it is?
This is what it is? Is this what love is?
Is this really what it is? If? If me being
in relationship with you is detrimental to me.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
You gotta put yourself first.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
I mean, I'm not saying that it's not love. I'm
not saying that it's not I'm just saying this is
how we live.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Something else. We think it's love, but it's what it
is something else.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Is this really? What? Is this really? What love is?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Right?
Speaker 5 (18:51):
And I think there's a level of decision you can make.
I don't know if you can force yourself to stop
being in love with someone, but you can make different
choices to kind of ease out of that, to give
yourself the time to fall out of love or something.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Or if we're going to be the or or or Okay,
if it's this toxic and we are in love, then
it's one of us or or both of us willing
to do the work to change this thing and make
it go this way. You know what I'm saying, we're
gonna be together, then we gotta you know, you willing
to do that work with me. Yeah, then let's you know,
(19:25):
let's ease on down the road, right right. But I mean,
but if it's you know, yeah, if it's if it's
if it's toxic, you know, right, that's I think I
think that that's I think that that's something else.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
How does it feel too? I told you I was
in Detroit when you were they're introducing your new dance,
the line dance for the for the new single, which
I want to tell you had the whole city before
you even got there. Like I was there for a
couple of days, and everybody kept being like, so you know,
Kem is going to be here, so you know we're
(19:58):
going to be outside, so you know, we got to
go to this concert. It was a very active weekend too.
And now you're independent. You have your own label, so
that that has to be a good feeling to have
left your label motown on good terms, returned back to
being independent, but not just return back, but made a
huge splash doing things the way that you want to
(20:21):
do them. What made you say, because you did still
have a good relationship with Motown, it's time for me
to just step back out.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah, because Motown, the the label had been in transition
for years. You know, Ethiopia was running. I've been there.
I've been there through you know, Kadar was there when
I got there, Kadar Massenberg, Sylvia Ron and then and
then you know, Ethiopia, and you know, so Ethiopia was
gone and then they were just making a lot of changes.
(20:50):
And it wasn't it was it was they were in transition,
and so was I. You know, I've been doing this
twenty three years, and landscape of the music industry or
you know, there's been a sea change in the industry,
how people consume music, you know, versus when I started,
(21:10):
you know, the social media aspect of the game, the
streaming aspect of the game. And it's like, well, you know,
how do I want to move forward in this season
of my life? You know, after twenty three years, I
have a you know, a strong catalog, I have you know, publishing,
and it's like, well, you know, I need to be
(21:31):
able to move the way that I want to move.
When I want to move which I had creative control
of the moment, but there was no interest if I
wanted to release at the time that we were making
the decision, and it was something that people had been
trying to get me to do for years, you know,
you know, how to you know, they've been trying to
get me to do it, and if I wanted to release,
and I was sitting around thinking, Okay, I want to
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release some music next year, and how am I going
to do that if the label is and I can't wait,
you know, on the label or I want to put it.
I want to put a video up, and I want
to put a video up. We had a video ready
to go for a song a while back, and then
you know, the publisher and the label are fighting with
each other and so they can't put the you know,
it's like, dude, I need to be able to move
(22:12):
the way that I want to move and put music
out the way that I want to put music out.
You know, I'm not tired. I'm going to continue to
make albums, but I'm not tied to making an album.
If I got something hot, I can put it out
right now. We got the infrastructure, you know, uh, you know, enlisted,
the team of industry professionals. You know, I don't have
a manager. You know, I sit to have a table
(22:35):
and you know, we throw everything on the table and
we make decisions and we execute, you know, and and
today right now, in this moment, you know, it's working
out pretty good.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
And if you want to DJ, you have one at home.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
You know what I'm saying, right, you know what I'm saying.
So everybody in my house works right, Yeah, So it's good.
It felt good to be in Detroit and and to
be able to do that at home. You know, love
is the love of Detroit for me, is really.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
The love you shout out to my girl Sharon. Yes,
I heard out there because she just kept being like
can this came that she would not like. I was like,
come on, Charon, let's go. She loves you so much.
But all of Detroit. Yes, when I watched the news
and I saw everybody doing a new dance, it was
like Cam's about to introduce a new dance. We got
(23:29):
to make sure we're ready for it. So that's just
it's got to feel good to have that hometown support always.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yeah, absolutely nothing happens, but I mean I'm not sitting here,
you know, without the love of Detroit. That first album,
Chemistry was built on the love the love of Detroit.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
And that you hit the ground with that. That was
like grassroots, you know, just going door to door like barbershops.
Yeah yeah, remember C yeahmember C right, what a grind
that way.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
But you know the thing is, it's like now is
an independent If that's how, if that's how my fans
they want, you want a CD, I'll give you a C.
I'll give you. I'll give you.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
What you want.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, listen.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
So being that you met your wife at a you know,
I think me and greed, like you said, she wasn't
necessarily she you know, came to the concert. Has anybody
ever said anything crazy to you? Like people that came there,
women to try to you know, like I'm sure you've
heard crazy things before, what like what trying to shoot
their shot?
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Yeah, it's like the crazy.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
No, I don't really, you know, I mean I think
the most, you know, the most I get is like
I'm you know, I'm you know, I'm uh, you're my.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Husband, Okay, you know you know, yeah, fans or not,
that's as crazy as a get. Yeah, like you know,
what about a stalker. You ever had stalkers?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
Yeah, that's now, that's that's not yeah, or people who
are just that. I don't know that she's uh, you know,
she's not you know, I probably shouldn't be given her
any like, but she's just not somebody who's following me
around with somebody who's who's digitally like a pro you
know what. I'm like, you gotta like this, like, you know,
you here see a lot of stuff like this right here, dude,
(25:25):
you got to yeah, right, keep your pistol on.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
You definitely have somebody.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
I've had some really awful around.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
She I had somebody that was like posting my parents
and like it was in a coffin, like I'm going
to kill your parents, posting their addresses, you know everything.
I had to like get a restraining order to find
out who it was. And it's a hard process to
find out who it is online. You have to like
get the police, have to get an IP address. Yeah,
(25:56):
they have to do all of that. But in order
to even be able to get that, you know, they
have to get like a yeah, like a search warrant
or whatever to be able to pull that information. Yea,
And yeah, when I tell you I was stressed a lot. Yeah,
and especially you know, sometimes you can't even post where
you're gonna be because you don't want people to know
(26:16):
that you're not going to be at home and that
you're traveling. But then as a public person, you have
to post I'm going to be here, come and join me.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
So social media definitely a gift and a curse. You know,
dms exist that we can slide into. Now, what do
you think about online dating? Not for you, but in general, Like,
you know, people have different views of it, but I'm
just curious, like, what are your thoughts about if somebody was, like,
(26:47):
I'm trying to find somebody, you think I should try
online dating?
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I don't have a you know, I don't. Yeah, I
don't have an opinion on it really. I mean, if
you meet you up and that's how, if that's how
you meet your person and it's working for you, then
it's you know, then it's all good. You can meet
somebody anywhere.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Because you know, I had Jordan's send an invite to
one of my friends to dating site, and so it's
been interesting.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Has she gone on a date yet?
Speaker 1 (27:12):
She said, there's like a lot of white guys on there,
ye and yeah, and she said it's very hard to
like date black guys on these sites for some reason.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yeah, that would be real complicated for me. I mean
it's I mean, not not even as you know, I mean,
as you are. That's a lot. Like I mean, just
as a person on the outside looking in. It's like, dude,
that's that's a lot.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I mean, it's just I mean, it's just me like
meeting someone in person, but virtually right, And.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I guess it's also you know, depending on I mean,
and you know, the younger, younger generation, it's a different
you know, it's a different time, you know. I mean
these you know people today are you know, they're there
in their phones. You know, they live in their phone.
So I guess anything. I mean, you know, if you
meet somebody who's sends you a message on social media,
(28:03):
that's the same thing. Yeah, I mean mm hmm. You
just don't know who, I mean, how do you? I mean,
it's just too much, it's too much going on, man, how.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
Do you know who's who?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
And like what's what?
Speaker 1 (28:13):
But you also don't know when you meet somebody in person, right, you.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Also don't know.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
But at least you right, that's the person and you
can see if there's nobody anybody, I can see, right,
And I'm glad you said lie to me because you
know we love that song.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
And is it ever okay in a relationship to lie?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Now?
Speaker 1 (28:38):
On the way here, I was telling Jazmin, I was like,
I want my boyfriend to tell me that I'm getting
fat because she we were having this conversation.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Because someone, because someone I'm dating, said they don't want
me to get they don't really want me to gain weight.
And then we started talking about and.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I was like, I wish my boyfriend would be like, Angela,
you are getting fat, like we have to do something
about that.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
And I'm a palled that she wants something like want
somebody to say not somebody.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Man, right if you're talking about if you're talking about
and just because I don't think is it is it
okay to lie in your relationship? I would say no,
that don't mean that people don't do it, But you
got to be like you have to and not just
in relationship. Dude, you have to want to know the truth.
M hm. You have to know. I want to know
(29:23):
what I want to know what you think about me, do.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
You want to know the truth at all times?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I want to know what I want to know. I
don't want to know. Okay, I don't want to know
the truth at all time, but I want to know.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
What does that mean? Looking crazy?
Speaker 3 (29:38):
You're looking crazy if I ask.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
You that, I want you to tell me the truth
right now.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I want you to tell me.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
I want to tell me.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
I want to know.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
This is somebody's talking about spending your life with in somebody,
this is your riot or dying, and they can't say
what they need to say to you. That's a problem.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Well, I don't think he feels like that. I think
that he loves you the way you are like. I
think he's like.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
And there's that then then and then.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
You can say that, but be like since you sliding like.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
But you can. But the thing is Ange is aware
when her body changes.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Yeah, but do you need him to tell you?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Because I think that that helped me motiv that was
my point happening. You know, critiques like let's just say
you did had an off night on stage, right, and
you know you're you ask your wife was it really bad?
And it was? But wouldn't you rather she be like, no, baby,
it was you know, it's not like what you know,
but it was, it was fine.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
I want her to say if I well, here's the thing,
because if I have an off night, I know it's
all you're aware. And if you tell me that, you
tell me that it was okay, that's the problem because
I already know that it was. Don't even don't even
don't even say that to me.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, because like what if you were like, well, did
anybody notice? And she knows people were like, kimo, what's
going on? But you don't want her to tell you
people like if people said that.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah, yeah, she's she's she's pulling my coldest you know,
and she'll ask me, you know, can I you know,
can I tell you something?
Speaker 1 (31:12):
You know somebody somebody says that you.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Don't want to and you don't want to, I mean,
just because it's not uh can I tell you something?
We have to be able to say and receive the
hard things. Hmmm. I mean I think that's terrible but uncomfortable.
That's where the growth is.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
That is I want to hear it doesn't But what
about this? Do you want to hear when you're wrong?
Like because sometimes you vent to somebody and you just
want to vent. But do you want to hear well
you were wrong?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
In Yeah, I can let I can let you. I
can let you vent. Do I want to hear that
I do I want to hear? Yeah? Do I want
to hear that I'm wrong?
Speaker 4 (32:07):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:07):
I don't. I mean, do I want to hear that
I'm wrong? I? I would. I would like to think
that I want to hear what I'm wrong. But like
when you're in the if, I'm just in the heat
of a thing, Yes, that's you know, yeah, just let
(32:28):
me vent, Just let me vent. But I'm gonna have
to circle back. But I have to circle back around, right.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I think it's proper.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
It's fine because I could be venting, like and I
know I'm wrong, but just like I know that I
know it's happening. I know that I got to come back.
I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna have to come back
around and like and like deal with this. But like
in the moment, you know, it's just.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, Now do you performed at your own wedding too?
Speaker 7 (32:58):
Right?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yes, that's a Can you imagine how amazing that is?
Speaker 3 (33:01):
She didn't know?
Speaker 1 (33:03):
I mean, that is so dope.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
She thought it was going to be Ribbon in the Sky.
That's what was on though on the thing. But I sang,
sure in my life, how beautiful is that?
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Are you nervous? You never know it could be.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
That's with all your family and friends and her family
and friends and everybody right there.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah, that's special.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
What can we expect as far as new music, you know,
we've heard give My Love, Give my Love.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Rock with Me is the next the next single. It's
actually it's dropping. I don't know what this is, but
it's dropping on on Friday. The next ballad, give my Love.
We was a digital stream and release Rock with Me.
We're swinging for.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
The fences, okay, CEO, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
So we're you know, I'm really really excited about the
new music. I'm in a creative space doing a jazz
project later this year with Robert glasper.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Uh that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Pan tribute to uh. Well, you know Algiou was Algiero's
jazz singer, and he used to every time I saw him.
When I first came out, people compared me to Algiero,
and and over the years of doing shows, like I
would see him and we do shows together, and he'd
say he would always say we should do a song,
we should do an album together called Alchemy.
Speaker 7 (34:33):
Okay, right, and so so this this and I and
one of my biggest musical regrets is that we never
got a chance to like work together.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
So I'm gonna do a project called.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Alchemy with It's a tribute to a few.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Algiro songs and some and some some jazz versions of
my catalog and some original music.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Too, whatever, whatever and whatever. So hearing is re recording things,
you know, right, isn't that logistically as far as like
being able to release stuff but rerecord it.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah, there's a I think there's a They were telling
me there was a clause like I have to wait
a period of time before I re record, But I
don't know that I wor.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
You know, it doesn't matter to you.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Yeah, my catalog's making money, so it's right, are you
own your masters? Like now, I didn't sign a deal
where I owned my masters, but I still make money
on the masters, and going forward, I own the masters,
So it's you know, you know, I don't know that
I would.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
You know, I mean people think about those things. Yeah,
so too, we see that because when you think about
how much money the label makes and then how much
money they make and you make in comparison. Sometimes it
feels like, let me just go on ahead and re
record this and tell people to stream this. So yeah,
but you can't.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
I mean, yeah, I get it, you know, I get it.
You know, but that's those you know, those records are
That's that's what it was. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
And I could re record it, you know, but if
I re record love calls, it ain't gonna do what
the original is doing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Okay, but if you did, it's.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Still I can still record and like I'll take I'll
take those checks.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
But I can do it as a jazz version too, though,
you know That's what i'mane. Yeah you did a live Yeah, okay.
How important is money to you? Because I think about
what you've been through, you know, being in a dark
space and then being able to come out of that.
(36:37):
How do you what is your relationship with money?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
Does it make you it doesn't make me work?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Does it make you feel like because some of us
come from a mindset of you don't know if it's
going to be gone, or it could make you do
the opposite and feel like it's not that important.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
That's a lot. My relationship with money, it's a dance
because I will not I will not compromise. All money
ain't good money. I will not compromise my values just
to chase, just to get a check. I you know,
(37:20):
I don't. I don't work for money. I work for
because I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. And
money is a benefit that comes the other side of
that is no, it ain't never enough right, and whether
or not I can have, whether the bank account is
set or whether it's lean, it's always you know, anxiety
(37:42):
around it. But I've never not had enough. Okay, I
got more than I I've never not had enough. I've
never not right. It's always it's always been okay. It's
always been okay. You know. So my what I'm doing,
my job, it's not my my job is not is
(38:02):
not my source. You know, God is my It's my source.
You know. My job is to is to come out
here and create. And I'm always and I'm always taking
care of But it's a but it's a dance. It's
a dance. You know. I like nice things. I like
to spend money, I save money, I give money. It's definitely.
It's a dance, you know, and if somebody gets you know,
(38:27):
knows how to check all the boxes on that. And
I know there are a lot of books on it,
and there's a lot of information on it, you know,
And I think and maybe and maybe the dance is
where you're supposed to be, right, Maybe the dance is
where you're supposed it's.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
An ongoing relationship morph and change, and you know, you.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Need to pay attention. You know. It's like I'm afraid
I'm gonna be homeless again. It's like, dude, you've been
making records for twenty three years. What are you talking about?
You know.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
But a lot of us grow up with a scarcity
they call it like a scarcity mindset, yeah where it's
yeah where. Sometimes there's people who are literally like I
will not have a mortgage because I'm scared that something
could potentially happen, or we're always scared that we could
lose it all. And there's certain we might hold onto
things and not want to invest and not take a risk.
There's just different ways that we deal with money, and
(39:14):
a lot of that is based on what we've learned
from our past experiences and from our parents. Too, because
sometimes our parents, you know, how they dealt with money
can be traumatizing for us too.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yeah, I'm a work in progress.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
How did you decide that this was the time to
put out your memoir? Because I know that's never an
easy decision, and I know you know that was And
I know your mother and yourself had like great conversations
right for this to come out and for this to happen,
and she was supportive. But how did you know that
this was the time.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
It was at the time that the memoir, at the book,
at the time the book came out was probably tw
years at Motown, you know. And it was a good
you know, yeah, you know, And we had been I'd
been talking about my co author, David Ritz. I had
actually met him, like during the first album we were
I was out in LA with him talking about doing
doing a book. It's like, dude, you ain't you know,
(40:16):
you ain't done nothing yet, you know what I'm saying,
just got a story, but you Yeah, So twenty years
was a good you know, it was a it was
a good a good it was a good place I thought.
I think it was the exact right time, you know,
writing love songs for twenty years and not you know
and now and at that time like being married, being
(40:38):
in uh you know, being married, you know, good, it
was good perspective, It was it was the right the
right time for the first book.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Oh first, there's going to be a second another one. Yeah,
this is a new chapter right now.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Story what I mean? Would you like to expand upon
what the second book is going to be on?
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I don't know, but you're you're still living it.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Yeah, well yeah, I don't want to know.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
You want to hear it.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
And somebody does, Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Was it scary for you to put that out?
Speaker 3 (41:16):
Not from the like I know my I know my
story and I know and I've done the work of
going through all that stuff and processing all that stuff.
I think the most uncomfortable thing about it was again
like I was telling other people's stories, right, you know,
and you know and I didn't and I still you know,
and I didn't know how and still don't know in
(41:37):
a lot of cases, like how it sits with certain people,
you know, but it's what you have resonated's like, but dude,
but I told you know, but I told you truth.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
I took the high road in doing it, Like yeah,
because you've been telling a lot about yourself lately. She
actually narrated and was one of the producers for the
Magic City docuseries on Stars. You think you're going to
do your book to write, Yes, I'm working on it. Okay,
I know you have been working out it's like what happened,
it's still being worked on. How do you decide, like
(42:08):
what to you know, because I'm sure there's things that
are interesting that you have to or that you choose
to leave out.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
Yeah, you know, we gotta protect the innocent parties, even
though they may have been a part of the story.
I do plan to tell a lot of the stories
without divulging.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Who they're at actually about. Okay, maybe got to get
a name, yeah.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
Because you know, for one, it's a secret society all
we access trust, and for two, I might be telling
my truth, but I don't want someone else's life and
or relationship to be affected by what happened years ago.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
Okay in our past, right. You know, people always talk
about how the music business is such a crazy place,
but it feels like you've managed to avoid a lot
of that. Yeah, you know, and just kind of mind
your business.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I had to, you know,
the the party side of my life early. You know,
I'm really I'm a square, you know, after parties like
also show, dude, I'm back at the whole, like you know,
a quiet life, you.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Know, a great quiet life, quiet.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Life, you know, I don't, you know, don't I don't
need a whole lot of excitement, a whole lot of drama,
a whole lot of you know, I'm just I'm just
not there. It doesn't it doesn't like and when you change,
when you change that, when you change that, those things
don't even they're not It's like it's not even the
same vibration. It doesn't even come in the it doesn't
(43:42):
even come in the it's not even in my in
my sphere, the chaos is not you know, because I'm
not even I'm not even attracting that type of energy.
I'm not even participating in that. And then if you are,
you coming to my presence, you know that that's you know,
what you know is off, Like.
Speaker 1 (43:59):
Immediately I'm gonna give you that look, Jackson, would you
write a book about your life? You think?
Speaker 2 (44:11):
I don't know, because I just feel like I don't
want to. I would have to do it. Without naming people.
And also like I don't want to hurt or embarrass
my parents because they're involved in like some of the
yes of my stuff, So I don't I wouldn't want
to expose them and embarrass them, you know what I mean.
So I don't know how I could do that without
them being upset.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
It's a lot of what we say about how things
have to be like secretive and hidden with.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
The family, you know. You know, I don't know that
if I had to do it again, I don't know.
I mean we did, It's not everything ain't in the
book of course, Right, there's a lot of stuff like
you just can't you know, And I don't know that.
I don't know if I would, if I would do
it differently. I think that a lot of that, a
(44:55):
lot of that dysfunction and a lot of the trauma
in our in our family, in our family of family
of origin. You know, my book addressed that, you know,
it addressed a lot of that stuff that like nobody
will talk about that, nobody will ever have a conversation about. Right,
(45:17):
And then like in the case in point, because like
I've talked about a lot of things and nobody has
said anything to me.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
About you know what I'm saying, you just had things
giving like I mean, but there's.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
A lot to it, right because you know, you know,
you look at it as a public figure, and that's
a whole bunch into that, you know what I'm saying.
Why people wouldn't you know? You know? And I also
won't say because they know because they know that it's
a lot of you know, they know they know what
the truth is. It's true.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Yeah, if it's true, I mean, yeah, they're not gonna
say to you about it though.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
I always think that's just the hardest part when you
think about how you don't want to hurt other people,
but it's the truth.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Would you what about you? Would you write a book
and share stuff about your life that.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
Is well, I don't want to do it unless I
could be honest, and I don't think at this point
I can. Yeah, but later on in life, but later
on in life everything then I'm like, that's gonna be
in the book. But I'm kidding, no, I already had
a name for it. I'll tell you off there because
I don't want nobody to take my idea, just like
nobody take it.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
If you do.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
Since I'm kind of like Jasmine, I think my dad
would have to be dead. There's certain things I don't
want him to know about me. They just aren't and
he would. He wants me to write a book so bad.
I'm like, well, you're never gonna read it. Yeah, sorry,
you definitely can't.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
The thing is the way she said it, like he
got to be dead, not passed on and love you never.
I feel like you can be completely honest though.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Let me ask you this. Let's just say your kids
one of them had a diary. Would you read it
if you were alone in the house and you're like, oh,
what's diary? Would you want to.
Speaker 7 (47:08):
Probably not show that.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, my mom went in my diary before when I
was a kid. Yeah, she was devastated.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Whether you were trying to write no book, it's fictional.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
I was writing as a kid.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
You just got to tell them that it's not true. Now,
one thing I have to say about your life, it
feels like you've had angels that kind of step in
and are like, okay, this is what we do you
feel that like, do you feel like you've somehow It
just feels like, you know how you can say you're
(47:45):
here for a purpose, it just feels like things happen
or people come in your life, and if you accept it,
it really does like change the trajectory.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
Yeah, I don't know that I've that I've seen it
at the time, but in hindsight, Yeah, there have been
people who you know, but you know, and that's one thing,
you know, we we you never know how what you say, well,
how you interact with somebody can change the trajectory of
(48:16):
their life. You don't you don't even know. People have
had conversation with me that changed my whole thing and
they don't even And the same is true for us.
We talked to people in like a light goes on, man,
and it changed their You know, I think we're all
we I think we all have that if we're paying
you know, if you're paying attention and you and you're
ready to and you're ready to do the work or
you're ready to do whatever that thing is. You know. Yeah,
(48:41):
there are people who then they had you know, the
guy who when I got sober, the guy who the
guy who I followed him to he was we were
in the in a in a treatment center and he
was my bunkie that were probably by a six dude
(49:01):
sleeping in a room in this place. And and he was, uh,
and he was getting sober, and he was, you know,
he was getting them. I was coming off the streets,
he was you know, I had nice clothes, he was
going back to school, he was starting to work again,
and he was always had all this positive stuff to say.
And I was envious. I was jealous of him. I
was so jealous that I started following him around and
(49:23):
found out what he was doing, you know. And and
his name was Ronald Clowney and he chained and and
and and and he is a big reason that I'm
that I'm sober today. And uh, And I had a
chance to you on Facebook somewhere, you know. He he
popped up and I had a chance to sit down,
like dude, you had and he had And this is
like he didn't know. He knew that I was, that
(49:47):
I was making music, but I hadn't talked to him
in what twenty five years, you know, and to tell
him after twenty five years, like, dude, you know, the
reason I'm sober is because you.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
You were my inspiration.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
I hated you so much.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
What do you mean you were following him around?
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Following him around? I was doing it. I started doing
the things that he was doing. Okay, you know, I
started doing the things that he was doing, and he
introduced me to more people who were doing the things,
who were doing the same thing, you know, and yeah,
changed changed everything. You know.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
What was his response to you telling him that.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
He was He was grateful and then he passed. And
then he passed away like thirty days later.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
I'm glad, you glad you had a chance to at least, like,
you know that, have that conversation with him. You know,
there's so much shame for people when they have to
go into a facility and get treatment. I interviewed an
artist ones and we discussed him getting sober, but behind
the scenes he was like he tried to seem like
he did it on his own, and then afterward he
was like, I really did go to rehabit. I just
(50:49):
don't want people to know that. Yeah, you know, how
was that for you? Like being able to.
Speaker 3 (50:55):
Don't care, you don't care to save somebody's life.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
Yeah, that's what I and rehab It's not the right.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
And we got this thing where, like you think, you know, celebrities,
we get in trouble and we go to rehab for
two weeks and we come out and we're cool. It's
not that, you know, it's not that you know, it's
a lifetime of continuing to make, to try to do,
to keep doing you know, the next right, there's a
lot of work that has been You take a lifetime
to get that. To get messed up. You know, it
(51:23):
takes it takes time, and it takes and it takes work.
You can't go someplace and get fixed and get cured.
It's a good start, it's a place, you know, it's
a launching pad. But like dude, you you know, you
need to continue some type of support after you get
out of that. It's a lifelong process. Whatever it is,
whether you're talking about recovery from alcohol and drugs, you're
(51:44):
talking about overeating, you're talking about getting your finances, whatever
it is, the principles for getting.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
Right. I'm gonna work on that. Thank you for your
lifelong struggle for so. Return to Love that's the name
of the new project.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
That's just the theme of what we're Yeah, that's the path.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
Why not call it? Okay, call her?
Speaker 3 (52:16):
You could Return to Love an album? Yeah, yeah, I
mean yeah, there's a record in there. Somewhere. It's a
great title, That's.
Speaker 1 (52:24):
What I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (52:25):
One of my favorite books.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
It's called A Return to Maryanne Williams. Yeah, yeah, I
know Mary Well mary Anne. Well, remember she was running
for president. Yep, running for president. But Marianne used to
run a church that I used to sing at called
Renaissance Unity in Detroit. I started singing in the choir.
She was a senior, the senior pastor.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
I said the good thing about her running for president
and made a lot more people know about her.
Speaker 3 (52:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
You know, sometimes running for office is not necessarily about winning. Yeah,
it's about also the programs.
Speaker 2 (52:53):
Your profile s got a lot of churches too, Yeah,
every place.
Speaker 3 (52:56):
There's a lot of churches everywhere.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
We got so every corner. Yes, I mean I think
Brooklyn I have the most churches person where my.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
Not d C.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
Well. I just want to close this out with some
advice for anybody who's listening. If you've ever thought that
maybe you want him to perform at your wedding, you
should propose at one of his shows.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
Wow were you.
Speaker 4 (53:25):
Were you inspired by You worked as a wedding singer
at the Ritz Carlton?
Speaker 3 (53:31):
Yeah, well, I worked at the I worked at the
Ritz Carlton as a as a waiter. And you but
I say, but I was away. I left the Rich
Carlton and started singing and started.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
Singing at weddings.
Speaker 4 (53:40):
Were you inspired by that to sing at your own
wedding or was it just purely you wanted to serenade
your wife in that moment.
Speaker 3 (53:45):
I wanted to serenade my wife.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
I was being a wedding singer. That's a you know,
that's a whole movie. Anyway, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
You know, I learned how to perform singing at weddings,
you know, And and I was making money doing what
I you know, I left my I was making money
making music.
Speaker 1 (54:02):
There's nothing like when you go to a wedding and
the band is good and the singing is good, and
then there's nothing worse in a wedding where the music
is terrible, Like get me out of here. Yes, because I've.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
Been to the music's bathrooms.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
You're like, oh gosh, all right, guys, let's wrap this up.
You know, but that must have been amazing. I wonder
if people remember, like you know, Cam saying it our
wedding like back then, that's what a what a nice thing.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
To have.
Speaker 1 (54:31):
That's hilarious. We need some of that footage.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
Please know you went from singing at people's weddings to
having wedding songs for people that they want to hear
at their wedding.
Speaker 3 (54:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
Well, thank you so much for coming through. I know
this is a different type of show for you, but
I was excited for you to be here.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
Well, I'm glad that I came and this was good.
I enjoyed it. We appreciate thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
I feel good next time, nasty, No, I'm kidding.
Speaker 3 (55:02):
This is war.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
Now he's comfortable.
Speaker 4 (55:04):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
Do we have an album release date?
Speaker 3 (55:08):
No?
Speaker 1 (55:08):
Okay, okay, twenty six.
Speaker 3 (55:11):
We'll do it twenty six. Sometimes we'll put it out.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Okay, all right, Well, thank you so much for joining us.
It was an honor for real, absolutely truly the definition
and epitome of longevity and class.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
Thank you, thank you,
Host
Angela Yee
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