WUWY INTERVIEW: Jae’Won Talks Music Hesitation, Joining the Joe Budden Podcast, College, His Creative Process + More

Jae’Won Talks Music Hesitation, Joining the Joe Budden Podcast, College, His Creative Process + More

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
What's up?

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Its way up with Angela yee, I'm here, and look
who's in the building with us and bought me some
of this Kiss Cafe coffee. We got Jay one in
the building chairs. We're drinking some Mercer and Prince right
now so he can try it out. This is your
thing though, you're like not just an artist, but you're

(00:24):
also like a host. You know, you're pretty good at
having conversations. Yes, where did that did that come from?
You think your dad or where did that come from?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
I don't know. If my father don't really like talking,
I think it came from Honestly, I'm inquisitive. I've always
been inquisitive since a kid. And then like a lot
of my friends aren't good at articulating themselves, like growing
up and then in school and I was always the
kid that talked a lot in class.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Okay, that's a good thing because now look at where
it led you to. Yes, and I feel like you've
been doing music for quite some time. But maybe Jess
recently started to say, Okay, I'm taking this for real serious.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
So what was the hesitancy earlier?

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Nepotism?

Speaker 1 (01:05):
That's a hesitance. Listen, I wish my whole life.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
I had somebody that could be like, if you have
some talent, let me help you get to the next level.
That's what a lot of people are able to do.
We look at Will Smith and his kids.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
It's amazing. Yeah, but it can have an adverse effect
on your performance, like because it's so much anticipation and hype,
and people will listen to or watch you with the
scope of expecting to see your parent or whoever you
get it from, instead of just letting you blossom on
your own. But that was really it. And then it's
like it's a big shoes to.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Feel, but you're not necessarily filling his shoes. You're making
your own way because for sure the music and I
will say, you do have a New York sound even
though you were in Atlanta for so long. Is that
something that is intentional for you, because you know, sometimes
people have an issue with New York.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Yeah, I don't think it was an issue for me.
I love New York like I'm really a hip hop purist,
So for me, it's just good music and quality music.
I don't think I was like I wanted to sound
like New York. I was just always like I don't
want to sound like nobody else, and I don't want
to not sound like music that I grew up on.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
So okay, so you said nepotism was the reason that
you didn't want to do it at first, Right. It's
interesting because I interviewed Layla and you know, her father's
Yah scene day, and that was the first time she
had ever like openly said that that was her dad. Right,
And then even talking to Shi, who is methad Man's daughter,
shout out to Sha she they literally would be like,

(02:38):
can we not bring up methad Man?

Speaker 1 (02:40):
But it's also kind of like how can you not?

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, you know what I mean because growing up around music,
growing up going to the studio and seeing what that's
like and shows and performances and having that whole experience,
it kind of does give you an ax motivates you.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
For me, I think a lot of it also was,
like I said, I'm a hip hop purist, getting tired
of like being around a studio, like around other artists
or people who's doing music and being like, y'all think
you should do this or do that because I really
do study like artists like for real, for real and
nobody listening or then some time, go by somebody else
doing and they'd be like, damn, I should have listened

(03:14):
to you. It just made me say, you know what,
I'm gonna do it. Nobody ever listens to the person
who gives the advice unless they doing it right. And
now all my friends, like other artists that's up and
coming in the city, be like, yo, you really doing it?
You'll way I'd be like, just do it, Like that's
all you can do is just do it.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
You went to clock Atlanta, What did you think you
were gonna do?

Speaker 3 (03:34):
I went for psychology. I got my own bachelor's in psychology,
Like I wanted to be a psychologist.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Wow, you know what's crazy? When I went to college.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
I remember my freshman year, I took Introduction to Psychology
and I was like, I drive, that's the only course
I ever dropped.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Nobody ever stays in the psych major.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
So it was so much harder than I thought.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
I thought I was gonna just be like, let me
analyze because I'm good at analyzing situations and people.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
It was definitely you know, I was.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
A freshman, so I had no idea what to expect,
But you stuck it through.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah, I went to I left high school. I graduated
high school. Like, if I go to college, I'm gonna
do psychology. It was either go do psychology. I wasn't
doing nothing right.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Yeah, what was the experience like at Clark for you?

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Clark was amazing. Clark was amazing. If I could do
college over again, I would do it. The only thing
I wouldn't do is be in a relationship.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
You were in a relationship all through college.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
No, not the whole time, probably yeah and a half,
like from freshmen not like junior year, senior year.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Why when didn't you do that?

Speaker 3 (04:33):
I was wild. I was wild, but.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
You had time to be while you were wild freshman, sophomore,
then junior year you settled down.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah, like the end of sophomore year, junior year. Like
I was wild, but it just hindered you. I feel
like in a sense because there's so much happening. And
I also pledged while I was in school, Like, so
there's so much happening, and then you never have time
for your partner or whoever you in a relationship with
its being in an entertainment industry always like nah, I'll

(05:04):
do it now, like, but doing it in college was
just like I help myself back, Well, what went wrong?
I was a cheater? I was a cheater?

Speaker 1 (05:18):
So why did you decide to be in? Like? How
does she get you to commit? They commit?

Speaker 3 (05:24):
We was cool, like we was cool as a friend,
and then whenever we would try to deal with each other,
stuff would take like being away. And then when we
finally did it, it was like all right, And then I
just got to a point where I don't want to
do this no more.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Oh damn, that's what? Yeah? And then was she with
you while you were pledging? What was the pledging experience?
Like for you? Did they hate you real bad?

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Or pledging? It is tedious. I would never do it again.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
I tell people that they you don't have to.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Yeah, Like I tell people all the time, like if
I could do it over again, I would never do
it again. Like what, it is an experience. It teaches
you a lot of discipline, it's a lot of folks.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Is and it just it's a humbling experience.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Humbling as hell. Like it is humbling because you really
be like, oh fuck, I.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Gotta let him to me. I gotta do this person's
homework laundry.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
I wasn't even so much those actions that it's the
your life stops. You're not on social media like your
friends are out having fun. It's really the sacrifices that
you will go through, like you might have to be
at the radio station late, or you gotta be at
this event when you want to have fun, you can't
like everybody else in real life. Yeah, it real, It
really is real life. Like it's just like this is

(06:34):
the goal. Everything else got to stop.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Now let's talk about your ex. I guess she's your ex?
Now do you do you still speak to her? No?

Speaker 1 (06:42):
So it was a bad ending?

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Was it a bad ending? It wasn't a bad ending.
It just I don't ever talk to my exes.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Damn cold?

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Led it not even you can't still remain friends because clearly,
like you said, that was your homie, that was your friend.
Nobody reaches out like your congrats. I see you on
the Joe buttenpoc I heard it.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
I changed my number.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
You are cold? What's what's your son?

Speaker 2 (07:04):
I'm a Scorpio, Oh god, the worst. I always say
male scorpios are the worst shot ever. I'm a Capricorn. Capricorn.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, Capricorns are especially, We're amazing.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
We're very practical. January third. We're very practical, We're very loyal,
we're very hard working Scorpio men or cheaters, and I
soa I'm so happy you said that.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
You think so Capricorn center.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
I can say that, but that's because we also work hard,
I feel, and so I think the self centeredness comes from,
uh that taking a lot of precedence over other things.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
And sometimes I forget people's.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Birthdays, like I'm terrible birthday. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
I can tend to not do the things that I
should be doing. Sometimes I feel like I'm a bad
friend because I'm just so busy and preoccupy handling business
that it's hard for me to like keep up. But
the major things I'll never not do.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
See, Nah, I'm a great friend. I'm just a cheater. Yeah, no,
I'm a great friend. I'm just a terrible I like
my own space, so I'll beat it for my friends.
But when I want to be left alone, I just
get I'll seclude and not tell nobody, like I stop

(08:15):
in some my phones. I'll look at my phone ring
like I'm that person that's rude.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
But when you need something, you be right there calling
them up.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
I ain't really one of those I'm not an imposing friend.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Okay, now let's talk about this Joe Button podcast before
we get to the music. Yes, how did this even,
like this evolution happen? I saw a lot of people
giving Joe flack for that too. They're like, oh, it's
Jada Kiss's son. I feel like they gave him more
flak for that than you do for the music. Like
I feel like for the music, people are like, Okay,
he's nice, he's dope. But then I feel like, once
you started doing Joe Button, they'd be like, he wouldn't

(08:47):
have done that if it wasn't X, Y and Z.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
How did it happen?

Speaker 3 (08:51):
So? I like to say manifestation honestly, because before I
ever met Joe, ever did the part, I used to
be like, damn, I should be up there, like you
feel me because I used to disagree with a lot
of shit. He said me, like yo bugging. But me
and my pops and my grandpops went up there to
do the call fee promote the coffee and we was talking.
He's like, yo, you know how to talk? Like I
fuck with that. And then I went back up there

(09:12):
again with Copella when we went to when he did
the promo run and I guess it got like good
responses and everything from the fans and the viewership. And
he called me. He DM me, he said, you'll call
me real quick. I called him. He's like, yoh, I
think you should do it, and I was hesitating. He like,
don't look at it as like it'll hinder you with
your music career, to actually help you because now it's
going to bring you more traction. But he definitely got

(09:33):
a lot of flat they'd be trying to kill me
on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, but I also think it just takes some getting
like it's an adjustment period always too of being on there.
And I think he said one of the things that
he liked about you is that you have strong opinions
about things.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
I really stand.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
It is what makes people kill you, you know, And
that's not a bad thing though.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
It's not because I really like believe in if I'm wrong.
I was like, all right, I was wrong. I don't
have no problem admitting I was wrong. But I also
look at stuff with a lot of logic, and I
know people don't usually do that. Some people look at
stuff from just emotions or personal views, Like I'll take
my personal views out of it and just be like, logically,
that don't make sense.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Right, Yeah, So and let's talk about the musically.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
So I saw you and your dad also sat down
with Complex and did an interview together. People love that.
Would y'all ever do a podcast together? Is that something
y'all been kicking around? Because I feel like something like
that might be the catalyst. It could even be you
him and your grandfather, since you guys have the coffee
business together, and you guys come from different generations.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
So it's crazy my grandfather wants to do a podcast.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
I don't think my father would want to do one.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
He does interviews all the time, though, I feel like,
why not do it for yourself?

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Nah, I don't think he would want to do one
because people even be saying, like, Yo, they want to
see us do like a reality show. And I don't
think the personal side of it because I'm a personal person,
like I like my personal life to be separate from
the entertainment side. I think he will want to separate that. Pardon,
but I think it would be fun. I really think
it'd be fun because it's he got a shot that.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
People don't see, like very funny.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, like he's funny when he's comfortable around people and
he don't. And I don't think he would do it,
but it would be dope for me. I think it'd
be dope.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
I think you could talk him into it.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
I don't think so. I think I'm the only person
that can't talk him into just.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Because of I think, especially from the response of that.
And I think the entrepreneurship side of things is important too,
when we talk about how your grandfather may have been
still that entrepreneurial sense. He's been doing this coffee business
for over forty years, right, and people didn't know that
until maybe a few years ago. I knew about it
a while ago because somebody mentioned it to me. I
think it might have been DJ Killer Touch. Yeah, probably

(11:36):
that probably mentioned it to me, like, oh, you know
when I said I was studying a coffee company.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
He I think he text me about that Killer Touch.
That text me about that. He's like, yo, you about
to do what?

Speaker 2 (11:44):
I was like, all right, Yeah, So I think he
mentioned it to me back then too and then but
I also feel like the idea of family being in business,
those are like those TV shows they be having where
it's the TV shows.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Could it'd be crazy in real life because we all
got strong person personalities like my personality strowing, my father,
my grandfather. So when it's jokes, it's always jokes. But
when it's conflict or it's like just disagreement, it's gonna
be like, damn, it'd be like World War three.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
But that's good because no matter what, you're still family
and you can have World War three and then come
back together and still be like all right, m hm,
you know, and like you said, you have no problem
admitting you're wrong. Are they like that too? Okay, so
you're just always gonna be the one that's wrong.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
But you weren't in love with doing that business, right.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
No. I'm a creative, Like I'm really just naturally creative,
like I used to draw and stuff. So for me,
whatever is creative I enjoy. The fun part about making
a coffee for me was like the testing and sy
and what coll fee or how we was gonna make it,
and then coming up with the color pantons with our partners.

(12:49):
But the business side of it, I.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Was like, yeah, but the business side is so important.
But it's good because at least you know that somewhat,
you know. Do you think that in doing the interviews
and podcasts, you're able to use your psychology definitely experience. Okay,
talk to me about how that works for you.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
So I started off doing industrial psychology, so that's like
with it's a cross between business also, so it's like
why certain companies are use certain colors or certain logos
and stuff like that. So for me, it's really studying
things like that, and then when talking to people, it's
just paying attention to what people say, their body language,

(13:29):
and how they react. Like so I really just like
messing with people heads, like I really sit there and
start asking questions or just doing stuff just to see
what it is like. And then just like growing up,
my upbringing had always made me want to figure out
like damn, like why are they doing that or why
a person's saying this? And once I got introduced to
psychology in high schools, like from there, I just start

(13:49):
using and everything like interviews when talking to people. When
in doing music, it's crazy in music, like psychology actually
will help you a lot in music. So me that's
the only way I use it.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Just how.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Music is supposed to be personal, So you gotta connect
with people. People gotta connect with you. They got to
understand you. But you also gotta when it comes to
picking out beats or certain instrumental melodies, you gotta really
just think about how to make you feel, so if
it makes you feel a way, how to make people
feel like. I'm big on that, Like when I finally
play music for people, I just watch the body language,

(14:26):
like all right, and then going out in the club
and stuff. You just listen to music and watch how
it make people react. Like I really, I'm a people.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Watcher, you know what I think.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
And you do have some songs that are great for
the ladies too, you know, a little vibe.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
I like the R and B hip.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Hop like for you.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
I like that one you. I feel like that's gonna
you know that's now that's a nice club song.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Thank you. Yeah, I felt I got that beat at
a producer. Can't the engineer have played it? And nobody
else knew to do it. I just sit there like, yo,
y'all not going nobody gonna take this.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
I'll take it.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Send me this instantly.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
It's playing with the new music.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
I just dropped I've been doing. Yeah, you just put
out I just dropped on Halloween called Bruce Wayne. I
dropped the EP on the fourteenth for my bro Sethanoali
from the Bronx callte the Belagio Suite, which is more
like designer boom back rap. But I've been dropping every
holiday since Labor Day. I'm gonna drop. I was supposed
to drop again for Thanksgiving. Okay, I still got some time,

(15:25):
so hopefully that comes out Christmas, and then we're gonna
package it all up for the top of the year,
and then i'ma just keep just dropping a bunch of EPs,
three or four songs and pushing it out there.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
So you like, EP is better than doing a full
length album.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
I don't think I've worked on a full length project.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, That's why I'm wondering, because I know you have
the EP, But is that is an LP something that
a full length project, something that you're thinking towards that
you feel like more like I'm gonna keep on dropping.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Definitely, see how I record. Most people come with like
this is the idea of the music I'm recording feeling
like I really recorded feelings. So if I'm having a
bad way or bad mouth, the music is going to
sound like that, and I'll just choose the best record
and put it with the best records. So when I
feel good.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
This is like psychology, like yeah, like.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
I really break it down from like a like a
super mental standpoint, like, so I just have when I'm
having fertle partying, Like when I did for you, I
probably had a bunch of records like that and it
was just like, all right, this is my favorite one.
I'll put this here with this like and that's how
I do it. But as far as a concept full
length project, probably not. It just be the best of
all my moods put together and just figuring out how

(16:31):
I'm a sequenceic.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
What have you learned about the business? Because you do
have the advantage of having somebody that can kind of
help you, you know, navigate through things and understand like,
but you also are probably teaching him too, because the
music is so differed. Yeah, the way that people listen,
the way it's distributed. You know, it was honestly like
you and I'm sure you know that too because you
got a chance to experience it firsthand from you know,

(16:55):
watching what your father did. But music has changed a
lot as far as the business side of things.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Shady it was always shady, yeah, like I changed, But
once you get into it, you really realize how shady
it is, Like so I will always hear him saying
like crazy, like but when you get into you be like, man,
why would they do that? Like you'll have back and
forth with produces over beats, like off, it's two producers
made a beat. One might want this amount, the other

(17:20):
one might want this amount, and it'd be like yo,
like it was all love when we was in the studio.
Now y'all make it complicated, Like so I'm really a
more be upfront with me, like what you want for
this beat? All right? And go from their type of person,
always be on top of your business. I've learned from them,
be aware, so like I have a team who watches everything,
but I also watch everything and make sure like all right,

(17:42):
this makes sense, this don't make sense, and just dad,
that's really it. Just like you got to be on
top of your business. And nobody's gonna know your business
or what's better for you than you.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Honestly, nobody's gonna care about your business as much as
you do. Did you understand the relevance of like what
your father was doing when you were younger, because you know,
as a kid you grew up your dad's yeah, and
you're not really understanding it until you get a little
older and you're like, oh, damn, like and then people
are like, oh, that's such and such a son.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
When did you realize, like, damn he is. He's a
big deal.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
So I think my first introduction to him, he introduced
me was to the the twenty four Hours to Live video,
and I was a little kid. I probably was like
one to two years old, and I just used to
love the video. But as I got older because we
grew up, I grew up in young because the same
way he grew up, So everybody there. I got a
big family also, so a lot of my family's there,
and everybody there knows me like not as Jaya kiss

(18:38):
soun but just as Jay one and know him really
as Jason more than anything. It was like playing Pop
Warner football or like baseball and stuff like that little
league where the people's not from there, it's like, oh
my god, it's like oh yeah, Like to me, it's
just my father, but to them it's like that's a.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Big deal around you was used to it, but then
it was people that wasn't from.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Exactly that is, yes, that was honestly, it for.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Me, Okay, when is the first what's the first song
you ever wrote? Because I have to imagine you dabbled
in it at a young age too, even playing around.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, I think that's how everybody I do music start out.
Probably the first one. I probably wrote my first like
song or like verse, or tried to write my first one.
It was when I heard run New York by fifty
when they was beefing with gunit like I was at
my grandma house, like and I wrote it, like all right,
but I really always just loved music, but writing it.

(19:33):
I tried to avoid music for a very long time.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Just because of the nepotism thing.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Yeah, because it could in Historically it's very hard for
like an artist's son or daughter to have a thriving career.
Like it's either they don't live up to the potential
or they're not getting to support from like whether it
be the Finns or kind of Yeah, like you come
into it with just a hate in a negative view,

(20:00):
were ready for people like so always look at it
like this, like right, mo, pops they came in in
the nineties. They think how we grew up like kids
who fathers or mothers came in in the nineties, we
grew up how the artists now kids grow up Like
so you see like herb or little baby, and like
all the other artists, like they might have their kid
in like a roll lex or like just a certain

(20:20):
type of lifestyle. They'd be like, our craziest thing might
have been a pair of products or a throwback jersey
as a kid.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Like.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
So it's like the light in hip hop business has
changed a lot from back then to now. So artists
was making a lot of money, but a lot of
money then versus a lot of money now looks way different.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
There also ways you can make money now that's different
than how it used to be. Partner yeah, partnerships, but
even on social media, people be doing fashion over like
all those types of things, and you know, twitch like
there's just so many different ways that people can monetize.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
And make money crazy amount of money.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Back then, it was like you gotta sell records, you
gotta do shows, you know, maybe sell some merch and
that was kind of it.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
But now it's just.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
So much easier for you to like go onto these
platforms and you know, do a little partnership with a
liquor company.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
And playing video games, yae just say he makes sixty
thousand a day or hour or something like that. Grizzly
t Pain. Anybody who played video games is killing it.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Who are some artists around, like in your era that
have showed you love early.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
On my era? Who showed me love early on? Probably
a little older smoked Vizzit Okay, Double out of Halem,
little Welson, that's the whole square roof Trips and Twelvey
except Twelvey. Who else from my era? Like your peers,

(21:44):
you know, caw Caash, Cay cash Man. Who else is
from my era? It's a lot. I think we all
kind of growing at the same time saying Rachel, Yeah, yeah,
I don't know. And this is a great question because
every time they ask me this, it always loses me
because it'd be like, damn, a lot of people just

(22:04):
show me love, but I just never because I'll be
having genuine relationships. Dizzy Banko Okay, clearly, Copella.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Right, clearly, Capella is very funny on social media. That's
one guy I saw him giving himself preps for He
was like, you know, he definitely big his help up,
Like why you don't show love to the Pucci?

Speaker 1 (22:24):
I liked to shout out to Cappella. He's very funny.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
I feel like he does take things like very personally,
which is a you know, it's a hard space to
be in.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
It is, especially he will react.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
But I like that about him.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
I understand it because people gave him a hard time
when Gallas dropped, Like they really gave him a hard time,
Like and if you know his story, his backstory to
just everything leading up to it, it really is like, Oh,
I see why you're a little arrogant.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
You know.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Sometimes it's also hard when you have a huge hit
record afterwards if like people want to act.

Speaker 3 (23:02):
Like people are can you do it again?

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (23:05):
And people love to call someone a one hit wonder
when they haven't even had a chance. And I'm not
talking about him, but I just mean in general, when
an artist puts out a song and it hits, people
love to automatically call you a one hit wonder when
you haven't even had a chance to put out another
song yet.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
It's like, relax, So what is your goal like for you?

Speaker 2 (23:22):
What would it look like for you in the music
business if you could map things out the way you
would like, And not that you can, but if you
could say right now, like this would be ideal for me.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
I want to be the best, Okay, Like I feel
like in New York, the biggest artist we got right
now from our generation is a boogie Bogi. He is
the top.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
He is the peak, that headline of powerhouse.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yes, like he is the peak of what a New
York artist wants to reach out the moment. Before for
a long time it was jay Z. Now it's a boogie.
I want that, like to be the biggest. But on
the business side, I do eventually want to have like
my own label because I would prefer to just right
for people you didn't do like a and all work okay,
Like so I want to be behind the scenes and

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really like because this is a big business that we
can grow. So I feel like for me it would
be that like get there and then after I do that,
I have the accolades, be like, all right now let
me help you will.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Get you think you could do both simultaneously. Some people
be so hesitant to sign to an artist and they
and they feel like they're such a conflict. So but
you could do both, right, you can be artists and
also have people signed to you.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
I believe. So I feel like we haven't seen nobody
do it yet. We've seen artists signed artists and their
teams work the artist. We have the artists help.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
No I would say that's not your maybe like a
Yogatti Yo and Rick Ross. I feel like when he
was doing that, he really successfully, like really bought everybody
you know with him.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
I don't know, I feel I want to do I
want that though, Like I look at those people, like
I look at the jay Z's, the nas, the Rick Ross,
the Yo Gotti, the She's a big inspiration. Okay that
for me, Like I look at all of those artists.
But also I've had a conversation with Currency before where
he was like, it's about getting the money and doing

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what you love. Like so for me, I also know,
you could be a big artist where you don't hit
that a list level or where the world knows who
you are, but you got your fan base, you couldn't
make a killing look like.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Tech nine Yes check nine tours and he'll be like
one of the biggest touring artists and he has such
a huge fan base.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
And yeah, and a lot of people may not know.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
You might play him on the radio, but Tech nine.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Is his streams is doing it, his tours is selling
out merch like and not really for me. I think
it's beautiful like Dom Kennedy one of my favorite artists,
and a lot of people don't know about Dom and
Dom is killing again.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Right.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Has anybody approached you about doing reality TV? Not with
your family, but like maybe on something else.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Or when I was in college they hit me up
about doing growing up hip hop.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Your dad was not doing that.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Now I wasn't even him because it.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Does have to be your parents on there too.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Don't think my life wasn't as interesting to them, like
for what they wanted, like it probably wasn't enough mess
and all of them. I'm like, I'm cool with that.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yeah, they could have had you on their cheating and
stuff like that in college.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Well, listen, I appreciate you so much for coming through.
Like I know we've been, you know, trying to figure
out how to make this happen. But anytime you want
to come, if you ever want a guest hosts, that
could be fun.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Do it since you also host, you know.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
We can have a kiss cafe coffee day and have
some appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
All right, Well, Jay One.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Check him out and make sure you have three new
songs are out right now, Bruce Wayne, Yes, n d A, Yes,
and for you.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
Is not really new for you, Well, it ain't out yet.
It comes out of it. Yeah, you got it. I
have you the first person to have it. Honestly, it
comes out Thanksgiving

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Okay, all right, well, thank you so much for coming
through you