December 10, 2025 • 59 mins
Rapper A$AP Ferg joins Angie Martinez to talk about his career after being a part of ASAP Mob. From his interest in fashion to rap battles in Harlem, A$AP Ferg has always held a fascination for the arts. His interests now range from studying “The Art Of Dao,” to hosting his own Health Fair, and his work in the fashion industry collaborating with designers such as AGOLDE, Adidas, and more. His goal is to find his flow in his self growth journey, from going to therapy to prioritizing rest when necessary. A$AP Ferg explains why college wasn’t the route for him, and how he dealt with anxiety in his career. Finally, A$AP Ferg answers a fan submitted question and Angie asks him some In Real Life questions.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
While I was thinking about this the other day. Is
like when a groups splits or whatever the case may be,
or evolved, I won't say split your fans is it's
like having a.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Divorce or something.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
You gonna stay at mommy house, You're gonna stay at
your uncle house, your pops, like where you're gonna go.
And then it's like hard to make it everywhere at
one time. So it just hm, you know, you you
kind of start developing your own family. I can't look
at anything negative because I'm just not that type of person.
I look at it like, this is how it has
(00:37):
to happen. So we could all become fixtures and pillars
to hold up a building that you know, it's a temple.
Now everybody could come and like this side is strown,
this side is shown, that side is strong. Ain't like
just us in the middle and it is the building
is lapsided.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Thanks for watching, guys. Today's episode is brought to you
by Boost Mobile. From Harlem Battles to Platinum plaques, he
has built a career that spans rap, fashion, art design, acting.
Long before music, he was a high school art student,
and he launches his own clothing line and created pieces
that were worn by artists like Chris Brown and many others.
(01:21):
As a founding member of Asat Mob. Lots of hits work,
Shawa Plain Jane, we go on and on and on.
He's carved out a signature lane that blends style, personality,
and raw talent. Today he has his own art exhibitions,
fashion collaborations, and a decade of cultural impact, and he
continues to redefine what it means to be a multi
(01:45):
disciplinary creator. Welcome, he sat Berg.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
I love that I was getting all warm and.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Do you feel seen?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Because that you feel seen?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
You do feel like wow you You was the first
to acknowledge that Chris was like an early supporter in
my clothing line, So shout out to you for that.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
You know, Swiss beatsy well, Jay.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Cole, I had a longer version that had all the artists,
but I was like, I didn't want to make it
about all the artists.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
But yes, no, but yeah, I mean this was a
young man that was in Harlem.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Tell me how old you are at this time.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I had been about straight out of high school.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, trying to figure it out, linking up with an
early stylist name Fatima, an early stylist name you know,
Quasi Casey that worked under Mike being.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Groovy lou legends.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, so you know these guys, I will, I will
go take my belts. I mean, I was making these belts.
It was the brands called the Pony, and I would,
I would.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
They would get these budgets from like huge budgets.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I remember one time I had went to go visit
Qua's uh and he was shipping and closed out to
Chris Brown and he had, like I swear, it looked
like two hundred pairs sneakers stacked to the ceiling and
they closed down.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
And this is what Chris Brown, He's already Chris Brown.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
This is Chris Brown.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
This is like yeah, he's like, this is Michael Jackson
of our generation.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah. And like I remember, I go, like I.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Quasis, like yo, we got a budget, and I'm like
all right, bet, and he's like, I'm gonna get a
few belts from you, and you know, just if you
could jazz it up. So I put all his in
all his belts, I put his name inside all his belts,
and he just went so crazy.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
What the bet he loved?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
He still got the belt We did a skit on
one of my albums where we're talking about they have
a conversation about the belts.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Shout out to Chris Brown.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
So you're eighteen, you're designing rapping, right, like you just
want to make well.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I was always a rapper. I was a rapper.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I was kind of doing both at the same time
because I was battled back since I was fourteen, So I'm.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Just going to be in the streets.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
And I had a crew called h teen and uh,
you know, it then turned into Harlem Envy, and I
would just go to different people blocks and just battle
rap people, watch Madd Ciphers, loving all of the Philly rappers,
Vodka Kaboom, Meek Mills, uh read Dollars and then also
(04:26):
like Harlem rappers, J Mills, Charlie Clips, you know, Vado,
you know all of the guys and.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, just really diving into that world.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I'm hearing the Harlem cookouts when you risk your life.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, we was at them Harlem cookouts, like
we was going to to Uh. They used to have
an MH Cookout Most Hated Cookout where it used to
be like thousands of people outside all of the fly
Chicks was outside cam is pulling up with the Pink Range.
He got the Air Force one with all of the
Dipset members faces.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
On them, and I'm like this, do they know who
you are at this point?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
No? They they knew my dad.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
They didn't know that my pops had a son running
around like looking at what they was doing, aspiring.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
But this was like the inspiration around in the neighborhood,
right yeah, yeah, And you're making clothes.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I'm making clothes for all the crews coming up. Rich Girls,
Team Nerds, Superfly like Rich Girls. Uh, was a part
of that crew. It was a bunch of cruise in Harlem.
It was Trump Devas, Rich Girls, Top Models and Dougie
Fresh and them sons.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
They They was called Square Off.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Our crewise called Harlem Envy Rocky crew was called Million
Dollar Babies. It was Mad Cruise in Harlem. So we
was like famous. Her crew is called rich She was
a part of a crew called Rich Girls, but then
she made Team Nerds. After the crew started out, she
made Team Nerd and she had yams L's like a
(06:05):
few of the Mob members before the Mob and then
ye had the cruise faded out and then it was
like asap, and like that was it?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
That was what a moment. Though, when you think back
about that time, it's funny because when we came in,
you asked me about some of my moments and times.
But for you, like that time, when you think about
all that talent running around Harlem, really just trying to
find yourself and trying to create, trying to make some
shit matter, and trying to like what was the goal?
(06:34):
Like what were you chasing? What was the was it fame?
Was it money? Was it to be flies? To be
the flyest? Like what are you chasing?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
At that age, I felt fly already because my dad
and my family was fly, Like you know, my pop's
dropping around silver benzes with the mink, the match. You know,
we're going to Fat Joe store in the Bronx. He
putting his clothes in there on consignment. He teaching me
how to hustle. I'm silk screen and shirts, taking garbage
bags and shirts to my high school. I got my
(07:03):
mom's air rings in so the buggers is looking crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Like I was already super fly. I was chasing Aura.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Like me and my my bro j West, We'll be
on the phone for hours talking about the smile talking
about Yo. You see how you popped out that red,
which is extra. We talking about the aura that's with
the skin glowing because we just noticed like there was
a certain type of person that brought a certain type
of energy and it was aura, and there was certain
(07:34):
characters in Harlem that had the aura, and we just
always wanted to be the aura for people.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
There's a shitlottle aura that you just explained all the
people that were involved in that. I love that definition.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, like even early on, like Tiana having a sweet
sixteen getting signsed for real, like and then you got like.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
And still running around hallm still running.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Around Harlem, like talking about Yo. I just came back
from one to see some park. I did the tone
wopping and Harlem shake for Beyonce and.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
That's you know, it's funny your hero stories are like,
you know, we was all young, struggling and trying to
get out this and the story you guys tell of
this time in this generation is not that we wasn't
young struggling, trying to get out of hard time, trying
to feed our face. Of course, everybody's always trying to
make money, take care of your family, but I mean
the story is not that. The story is like we
(08:27):
were young, we will fly. We wanted to be more
than just fly.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
It was having fun, it was and it was then
internet too, so it's like it was a lot of
entrepreneurial energy. And then I came from my pops who
was an entrepreneur, so I never seen him have a boss,
and I might have took the train with him like
three times, so like, and then he only introduced me
to bosses, so I only knew one way to go.
(08:56):
But I was really trying to understand the metaphysical part
of not needing a boss, because it was a point
in life when my pods passed and I'm like, yo,
how can I work for myself? Literally, like really trying
to figure it out. It ain't clicked to me right
then and there, but then as I like, I just
(09:18):
I don't know, I figured it out, figured it out.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
But that was important thing to use to be your
own boss.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Oh for sure, Definitely I hated it working for people.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
How dope is that? Though? That's also your story is
different in that way, like the fact that you had somebody,
your pops, that was teaching you how to to even
or even be in the example of something that you
wanted to become. It's like, I'm sure not everybody around
you has the same story of that we have. We
interview a lot of people here, and a lot of
the girls got daddy issues. A lot of the dudes
(09:48):
didn't know how to do certain things because they didn't
have that. Me and Brittany talk about this a lot,
because I'm always I'm always like deep of delving into
like women's issues with daddy, and She's like, I don't
understand that because my dad is he was there and
how that's affecting changed her life. So I would imagine
for you having that that role model. I'm sure it
(10:10):
was important and special to you at that.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Super important because you know, that's why I try to
be like a role model to my little brother because
my father passed away, well, our dad passed away when
he was super young. So it was like I got
a chance to witness pops like hustle out of the
trunk and then get his own store and then support
(10:33):
his brother that I was locked up, and then like
introduced me to like all the celebrities and superstars, and
you know, I'm still hearing stories about what he did
for people that just came home from jail and you know,
the amazing things he did in the industry and still
being like a super grounded person and a relatable person,
(10:53):
community person. I could walk the walk and talk to
talk because I've been there for it, like.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
A growing I was grown with him, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
So it was his aura, like oh, his or was
like nothing can't happen around this dude, like you know how,
like you know, like he passed away, but he's one
of the people that you just think like that can't
happen to him. It's a few people in my mind,
Like it was a girl named Kilane that was in
my Catholic school and I was like, she can't pass
(11:25):
she can't ever pass away because she too bad.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Like her energy was like.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Oh, she was like an eighth grader giving me like hugs.
I was a freshman, but my pops was like a
pure light like and I was like, it's just impossible.
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You know what's so interesting you said about that. I
always have a theory that because there's people that I
have met that I was like, Wow, they are light
(12:22):
and then they pass and I wonder like, oh maybe
they maybe they really were a light.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
And that pop smoke, Yes, like I feel like he
went like yams like like that like they light is
so bright it can't stay in this vehicle like they have.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
To or they did already what they were supposed to do.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And yes, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, I was like,
oh y'all good, I'm out of here.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Aaliyah when I think of going back, like Aaliyah was
that type of energy, like anybody in the room with
her who you feel that like, are you talking about
aura or that light is bright, and then when they're gone,
it's just like, I don't know what I always thought,
maybe there's something to that, Maybe there's something to the
idea that somebody when their light is that that right
and nobody could front on it, Maybe they closer to
(13:09):
God in some type of way.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
For sure, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Definitely, or like who says you gotta go until you're
two hundred years old, Like you could be a baby
and just do something, vibrate something to your parents that
they needed to get right then and there, and then
the baby go. You know what I'm saying, Like a
baby only been alive for a month a day.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
You just never know what they leave, Right, How did
that shift you? When your pops left?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
You were young, right, Yeah, it was three days before
my seventeenth birthday. So when he left. When he left,
I was just trying to figure out the rest of
what he was trying to teach me or what he
would have thought, like what he would have tried to
teach me. I was looking for like male figures, older
(13:59):
brother mentors. You know, I have a few of them
in my life. And yeah, it was it was a
bunch of that. It was unanswered questions and as far
as like the the emotional part of my father leaving,
(14:21):
I was emotional, but I wasn't too emotional because I
always felt like I was a part of my dad.
Like I always felt like I looked just like him.
I look in the mirror, I can't miss him. So
it's like and I literally feel like that, like I
came out of his nutsack. I'm literally a branch of
his tree, so.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
So you still feel him. It was true, true, it's true.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Now I come out of like I'm a part of him.
I literally come out of that person. I'm like the
best creation that my mom's in my pops could have made.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I love that you feel like that.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
It's a fact.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
You just reminded me of something I was telling you
before about how we launched this pod and that our
first episode was with Lauren London. You know, she went
through it with Nip, and she was talking about that
Nip was a light right and when he left, she
said her relationship, she still had a relationship with him
even he was gone. Wow, it's like the relationship still
(15:23):
continued and it wasn't just memories. It was like her
it still was there some things we've been better or
you know, like the way she explained having a connection
to people who were already gone was really ill to me.
And something about the way you just said that you're
like an extension of your dad. I never really heard that,
but I think that's probably important for somebody who has
(15:43):
maybe lost a family member or something, because it's really true.
It's forever.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
It's like when you eat an orange and you spit
the seed out and the wind blows it into the dirt,
and then it rains, it grows another orange tree.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, it's just a cycle. It just keeps going.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah, that's really.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
So.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
What's your relationship now with your brother?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
With your little brother? Oh, we lit like he's in
a movie. He's in a movie.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
He got a role in the movie, and he's a rapper.
He's actually super nice. He's a rapper and a singer.
I gotta stop saying rapper because he knows how to
sing really good. He's like, I'm one of his biggest fans.
But I also told him. I was like, because we
did songs and stuff together, I was like, do this
because you want to do it and figure out your
purpose of why you're doing it, and don't ever be
(16:29):
a like I want him to know, like, don't ever
be afraid to pivot and act like this is what
you gotta.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Do, because I know as my little brother, he probably.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Look at me as like this is the way.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I gotta be, babyfir he probably feels.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
To be exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
But even with my pops, I watched him do a
certain thing, but I still ventured off and experimented a
little bit because I always my father's shoes is so
big to feel. I was like, I need to do
my own thing, to ask my grandma, what's the what's
the age he drove his first car, What's the age
he got his first apartment? So that was like, you know,
(17:06):
I was just trying to create my own space, and
I just wanted to know what he did so I
can kind of make my own moves as well.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
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And he's in the movie. So you did a movie?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, I did a movie. It's called flipp On Shorty.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
It's like the whole concept of my project album.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
And yes it's short. It's a twenty five minute joint
and I wrote, produced it, directed it. Sage directed it.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Sage, you know, but me and him work very good
in collaboration.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
He's great. Yeah, Sage does a lot of our trailers
for this pot.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Shout out to Sage man.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Sage helped bring our trailers to life for this show. Yee,
I'm gonna have him do the trailer for this episode
you have for short for sure. I just shopped my
first short.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Too, shout out to see you.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Are you excited about it?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
I am, but it's kicking my ass a little bit
because we did it with a very low budget and
it was my first time. I always wanted to like
write something. I've been part of projects and films and
things in small levels, but I wanted to just me
in a room, write something, make a story, shoot it.
Like I just wanted to do it all the way through,
like get the story across the ford. And so there
was some mistakes that happened when you do it app
(20:04):
for the first time. So I made a lot of mistakes,
missed some shots, and now I'm trying to like figure
out creative ways to still make it come alive.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
But that's the thing, though, I feel like the mistakes
is actually the purpose, but it's God's purpose. It's like
we look at it like a mistake, but it's like, no,
You're supposed to go there the whole time. Yeah, Like
and that's how I'll be looking at it now, Like
I study the art of the dial and basically it's
like the art of letting it flow. So like if
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we don't go the way you wanted to go, and
it's like we can't control everything, so it's supposed to
just it's like you don't try to be It's like
the moment you try is like the moment that that
thing dies. It's like a tree ain't trying to be
a tree. An apple ain't trying to be an apple orange.
It never tries. Humans is the only thing animals don't try,
(20:56):
Like humans is the only species that try. And when
we try, we just put roadblocks on ourselves. So now
I just when that happens, I just let it flow,
and I just see where universe is taking me. Like
what what am I supposed to learn from this? When
I'm so it's no losses really, like you know, we
(21:17):
all made it to the A. I love that it's
supposed to be here.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
It's so funny because when I when I do, because
I live my life that way, I try to so
I'm not perfect though sometimes I want to control some ship.
I want to like I have a vision and I
wanted to be that, and so sometimes I hold on
too tight and it never works out good. You hold
on too tight to something. It really you do have
to be in the flow. You do have to like
what is the word I'm looking for. It's like just
(21:41):
release like it just be in the present and let
it happen and trust.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah, you gotta trust. You gotta trust that it ain't
up to us. We ain't coming up with none of
these ideas like Blue, Like some people be like, yeah, Blue, God,
put it in and put that in your head like Blue.
Like people be like like, yo, I need you to
make another plane, Chaine, I need you to get into
your trap, little bag, get into this. And I'm like,
(22:06):
I ain't come up with none of that ship Like,
I'm not trying to do it.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
It just came.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
And that was a moment in time, and that was
a moment of time in your life where you was
having experiences listening to that music that left a time
stamp on your heart, like I can't create all of
that for you again, like it's not just the song,
it's like.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
But also if you try to do that, you might
be blocking your blessing of what you actually supposed to
be uncovering in the flow of your life. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
You you basically like trying to like go against the current,
and it's like I'm not here to do that. I'm
here to just flow and let it, let the art
come out the way it's gonna come out.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I love you that, you know that you up with that.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
But that's I think that's that's the exercise of being
an artist. It's like we always want to we always
want to be on the the edge of like the
cunning edge, Like a great artist always want to be
on the cutting edge, Like how close can you get
to the cunning edge of.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Whatever?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
You know what I'm saying Like when I when I
say that, I'm thinking about like people like Andred three
thousand or like you know where it's like, you know,
the society may not agree with this, but fuck it,
like I'm saying at Rock.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Because they're gonna have to come meet me.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, because I'm just a container that's holding energy and
I gotta let it loose. I was just gonna it's
gonna materialize it something else. You could turn it to
depression or whatever the fuck, and people be thinking they depressed,
but it's no, they're just not letting themselves flow.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
That's good? Is this a real thing that you study.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, I mean, I just I'm into psychology. I'm into
like thats YouTube, like just me, let me, let me dive.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Buddhist like flow state is like Buddhism.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Name said, it was called flow a flow flow fair.
It's a health fare.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
But we do yoga yesterday, right, no, no.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
No, no, that was a that was I did a
run today, but that was a fairy strong run. But
we we did won the first one in Harlem in
the beginning of the year.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
What was happening? Tell me? So basically, can you invite
me to the next one place?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Of course?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Okay, So we have sound Bowl healing well, we have
a five k run in the morning at nine o'clock.
Then we have a sound bowl healing class. We have meditation,
we have a workout boot camp, we have afro aerobics,
We have aunts and.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Uncles with the vegan food.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
We have Melbour's, we have a bunch of like juice
makers and healthy snacks and stuff. And then around four
o'clock we start gearing up for the music. And this
year I headlined and I brought out uh Renee from
John Yeah, my.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Favorite in the whole world. That's my twin.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
And I brought out a lot of up and coming
artists as well, like before me. So yeah, we're gonna
do another one next year. We're gonna do it annually.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
But when when you When were you introduced to that
idea of living that way? And and just like the
the kind of the science behind that.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Because I hated feeling jealous or I hate it, feeling like.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Comparing. I hated all of these things.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
And I have to figure out the root of where
this energy comes from.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
And so is the energy that.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Like, yeah, I didn't like the energy. I don't like forcing.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I hate like reaching hard, trying too hard. I don't
like none of that. And all of that comes from
like ego, and where does ego come from? It comes
from just like insecurity, like you just got to trace
it all the way.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Why am I feeling like this?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
And then just you know, being stressed out about everything
to the point where I feel like I'm out of
my body and I'm not present.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I think that really brought me into like a therapy.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Love therapy, therapy. As you're saying that, I was thinking
about this. You know, I'm not like a fashion girl.
I've never been one to like I've probably been to
fashion Week twice my whole career, whole life. I just
it ain't my type of people, my type of vibes.
I do appreciate art. I love when people look to
go to do interesting things, like I can appreciate fashion creativity,
but it's just not you know, it's not my world
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really like that. So but I remember being I was
being young, I was probably young in a game just starting,
and I was at a fashion event feeling a little
like out of place, out of place, I don't belong here.
And somebody was sitting next to me at a table
and they were talking about somebody else and they went, oh,
greeks of effort, and I remember the line, but I
reeks up crazy, right, And when I tell you, that
(26:59):
has stayed with me my whole life. But the because
but I also felt I felt her. I felt that like,
that's probably why I don't like this, That's why I'm
not comfortable here, because everything in this room rereaks of
effort to me. So to me, as I'm sitting there,
I'm like, I don't I don't want to try that
hard to impress anybody, and I don't want and there's
nothing wrong with I'm not disrespecting the fashion world and anything.
(27:20):
I'm just saying me internally, why I didn't I fell
out of place and something about the way she coined
that to me, Like, I don't know, I've always that
phrase is literally part of my.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
What's she Parisian? Maybe its effort.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Maybe, but I do think that's like part of my
DNA is like I don't want to don't try. I
don't want to try so hard, and then I want
to feel you trying that hard, Like I want us
to just kind.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Of like I just want to be around people that
know themselves and we can just be a tribe of
people that flow.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
We all got the right and because that's when you
have the most fun for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, like you ain't got to worry about like damn
this person like me. I don't know if this person
liked me. And the fashion the fashion industry is really
like that. It's really a lot of insecure people because
remember you dressing yourself a lot of times that make
yourself look beautiful.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, you're trying to follow a trend instead of the
ones that are actually pure and creating from a place
that's like different exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
So it's like the fact that you're not into it.
I could feel that.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Is because it's not that I don't appreciate fine material
or dope look or like I love how you carry
yourself and sometimes you put it on and I'm like,
I would never think that you should wear that together.
But what I don't remember just times I've seen you
you come out with a shoe with a thing, and
I'm like, that's so interesting to me. It's so dope
(28:50):
that you have that type myself, that you can express
yourself that way. And even when you guys all came out,
even when ASAP first launched, it was a big part
of that brand. And I don't mean to call it
a brand, it is, but it was you were people
by the brand, but it represented like a culture, a
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culture and a freedom, just a creative freedom that I
hadn't seen in a wild from Harlem or for New
York or hip hop.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Especially were the kids that felt like we wasn't being heard.
We was the creatives, the you know, we was in
the streets, but it's like, oh, you're gay if you
wear skinny jeans or you know what I'm saying. It
was like that era, well it was just like everything
was gay. If it wasn't ACG boots and true religion jeans,
it's gay.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
So what made you confident enough as a crew to
not like fall victim.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
To Because I think my vision was strong enough to
just believe in what I was on, and I was
confident in myself. I mean I was. I was in
junior high school, rest in piece of to Neil. That
was my first my first girl. She was in a
raffle lawn pageant, long hair, light skinned, green eyes, black,
(30:10):
nice body, lived in the projects. I had the hottest
joint in the Bronx, Like I'm taking the train to
go see it. Like I'm having joints like this, you know,
I'm having girls pull up from Soho to the hood
and like I just dressed different. I'll just move different.
And my family is my family, so it's like it's
(30:34):
definitely like, oh yeah, that's that's you know, that's first.
So you do whatever you want to do, like but
I still like I could have just been like trying
to be like them. That was the safe way to go.
My mother hated the way I dressed. She like, what's
some orange shoes?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Why you keep getting these different haircuts? And I was
imb like, my this is Yoshi.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I'mamoto, like from the sample cell right a hundred cash,
these is four twenty in the store.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I just came up so like you know, I knew
what I was into. And then when we found each other.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I was gonna say, how do you find each other?
How do you find like minded people?
Speaker 1 (31:14):
And in a hood though always shopping and we all
go to the same spots. We all going to a
trium where Calice used to work at. We all going
to the bape store were Cutter used to work out.
We all going to all these we all going to
the alien parties. That's like early underground. We all going
to the underground hood by ear parties, Like we're like
(31:37):
an early Shane. This is you and no, this is
well this is that's later. But like this is me
and like my immediate crew from like homies, a part
of h m V. You know pay so slim dollars
all of those guys. I was a part of a
crew before.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
A sad got it.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
So then when did happen and how did that happen?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
So asap happened, me and Rocky we will always see
each other. He was down with million dollar babies. I'm
down with Harlem movie. But we used to go to
all of these parties back in the days, and we
was like the rappers out of the cruise. So he's like, yo,
let's do something, let's get it, let's we always say it.
And then I remember like when Charles Hamilton was, he
was like hot and he had like the studio. He
(32:23):
would use the studio out of FDA. It was a
junior high school in Harlem. For some reason, they allowed
us to go in to school when it was closed
and they had a studio and he would be in
there recording with my boy Zannie and we was like men.
Me and Rocky would go up there and record our
ship too, and we had like we would call ourselves
(32:44):
asat Red that was Rocky and Dferd.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
And then.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I remember we had like a conscious meet and it
was like with Calender Saint and we all sat down
and we were just like, Yo, we're gonna change all
of our names. We're gonna put our first name is
our last name, and Asap is our first name, and
I'm as rockets as like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
What was the thinking that we were going to just
lift each other up or we were going to be a.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah, like how they got lazy bone, flesh and bone,
crazy bone. Yeah, but we just did the opposite. Yeah,
and so more of a unit, more uniform.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
We're all black. And it wasn't like we had it
all thought out like that, but it just seemed like
it was clicking.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah, it was. It was that little flow it. Yeah,
that's fire. So what happens in the real world when
you get a little notoriety sometimes it fucks up the
flow because even take that a take a sap, whatever
was happening creatively when you created that. I'm just thinking
that people want to define that label that keep it
(33:51):
a certain way. You know, you know you get what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, yeah, you just want some people get weird. We
don't want to stop eating make Donald's. You gotta try
a caveall one day. You gotta try collar Greens one day.
I didn't like collar Greens when I was a kid.
Your taste change.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
You grow.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
You like you're a certain age. You're doing certain things,
certain things it's cool for you. We're talking about body counts,
how many girls we had, and all of that. As
a I don't care about that Now, that's you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
You just start thinking about different things. You learn different things,
you get exposed to different things, and you and you
want to elevate.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
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Speaker 4 (34:42):
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Speaker 3 (35:02):
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Speaker 4 (35:07):
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Speaker 3 (35:08):
The mattress is not great in there, but I can
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on top. So I'm going to order a foam toppers
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and then all the things that it takes to host
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a tradition in my family that you have to have
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wondering if there's growing pains in that right because because
the inception of that is like a really I don't know,
(36:33):
it's like a moment, right, It's like a moment, especially
the culture is a moment. But then it has to
evolve and the flow has to happen.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, it's definitely growing pains because we practically lived with
each other for years, like being on the road together
and all of that stuff like that. So you know,
and then while I was thinking about this the other day,
it's like when a group's splits or whatever the case
(36:59):
may or evolves, I won't say split when a when
a group evolves, your fans is it's like having a
a divorce something. You gonna stay at mommy house, You're
gonna stay at your uncle house, your pops like where
you're gonna go. And then it's like hard to make
(37:21):
it everywhere at one time. So it just hm, you know,
you you kind of start developing your own family, you
know what I'm saying. And that's kind of like what happens.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
It's like you.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
But I also that's I feel like, you know, I
can't look at it. I can't look at anything negative
because I'm just not that type of person. I look
at it like, this is how it has to happen,
so we could all become fixtures and pillars to hold
up a building that you know, it's a temple. Now
(37:53):
everybody could come and like this side is strong, this
side of shrown, that side of strong ain't like just
us in the middle when it the building is lopsided.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
I mean you think about like and in no way
comparing this two different things. But I was watching some
footage of Kelly Rowland the other day and like it
was ebro. Somebody was like going no, no, it was
Joe Button. It's like, all of a sudden he realized
how dope Kelly Rowland was. He was like, I don't
know what planet I've been on, and she's like a
(38:25):
goddess walking around you. It's like this whole thing. And
it was like, of course she's Kelly Rowland, like she's
always been beautiful. And also like like it's almost like
he was surprised at what a dope performer she was.
And it's like she's Destiny's child, yes, but that but
because they had to it's like a flower right, Like
(38:45):
it's just like it's still part of your roots. I
would imagine for you and I know it's a very
weird comparison.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
To make, but the thing actually really what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah, it's like, how could she be the Kelly Rowland
that's at the Boy's Mind Tour without having grown up
in that and having that moment, but also without being
able to go past it. If she would have stayed
trying to hold on to that, how do you even
become that? Or Beyonce become Beyonce.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Exactly and then us be able to see her for
her and her and beyond a group like group think,
you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, as an adult,
I'm able to grow and think and.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
I'm so into like.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Doing what I want to do more and more and
more and more because we grow up with so much
group think and like projection that is like we wound
up doing what our parents want us to do.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Like I had to grow out of that.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Even my mother like graduated you know, bachelor's, my stepdad bachelor's.
I had the pressure on me to graduate college early on.
I had to really grow like say like, no, I'm
going bosky out on them, like I'm going to be
I'm going I'm going to really be like uh, just
(40:09):
bohemian lifestyle dude that just sleep on my friends couches
and live like and just figure it out.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Like I'm like, if I got to go there, I'll
go there.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Because college wasn't working for me and I had to
really like grow out of that condition and just know
that my way will be different from my mom way
on my stepdad way. And I understand that my father
didn't take the college route either, so you know, with
other things I tried it, it didn't work for me,
and you know, i'd be like that.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
There's a lot of conversation about that now, the relevance
of college, but oh really in this world right now, hey,
I and this is and also I feel like college
is like behind.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
The world house kids even like taking tests and all
of that, because I feel like they could just do
are they're using their phones like they they.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Was first colleges and the schools were like, you can't
use AI in here. Then I think now it's suggesting
where they're like, Okay, how do we use AI, which
is smarter? How could you be an institution that's supposed
to lead and you're telling people don't use AI when
the whole world is using AI. So I think there's
a lot of weird shit about school. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
and then what are you teaching and who's teaching based
(41:19):
and based on what right? I think socially, there's a
lot of that you can get out of it being
in a group with people, like you know, like minded people. Community. Yeah, community,
but you had community already without having to go to college.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, and that's that's probably what it was. It's like, Yo,
Harlem was a school of his own.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
I feel like it's like going to X Men's school
like for Flashit like for flash culture, you can't come
outside without having your superpower.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Is sharp just superpower?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
For I'm a thinker, that's my superpower.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
What has been your greatest thought?
Speaker 1 (42:08):
My greatest thought is to trust my intuition, Like I
got jumped twice not trusting my intuition.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Like in Harlem, like I remember, it was like a funeral,
and like in Harlem, funerals be popping because all of
the girls come out, especially somebody somebody's famous died, like
everybody wanted like, you know, it's bad, somebody died, rest
in peace. But everybody's outside like a club, Yeah exactly,
(42:37):
So were hanging out and all of that, and you know,
the blockers started thinning out, and my friend tried to
higher at some girls girl and he said some disrespectful stuff.
She went back on her brothers were still on the corner,
and it ain't no more girls outside, and I just knew,
like we wasn't sposed to be there. We got jumped,
(42:59):
but I knew, and I got jumped another town the
same way, and I knew. So I think that the
streets made me super sharp, and that was the lesson
that I learned to trust in my intuition.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Trusting that. Oh so you knew before it happened, Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah, I was like, while we're still standing there, it
ain't nothing going on, and here it comes. It was
super lit, like we're out of here, Like while we're
still standing here.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Yeah, that sounds so scary to me. It's probably like,
not that scary to you because you've witnessed.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
It so much.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
No, it's always scary because you don't know if somebody's
gonna cut you or shoot you or yeah whatever.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
They could just do you in.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Isn't that funny. It's like terms that people just have become, Oh,
I got jumped or oh I went to prison, or
or I went to or with my my friend this,
Like I don't know. There's just certain terms that we
grow up here in so much you don't really think
about the trauma in it.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Oh it's trauma.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
But getting jumped must be fucking horrible, a horrible feeling.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Like I've seen my friend get stabbed at death and die,
Like I seen what does that do to multiple times?
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Though not like with different people. Yeah, like I've seen death.
I've seen.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
For Dominican dudes run like run to their car with
a gun, with guns, all guns. They catch one of
the Dominicans and he's telling the cops I'm with him
as a kid as I'm going to my cousin's house
with them, He's saying like randomly.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah he with me. No, I'm not language like he
like you with him?
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Nah ring my the bell. They answer like come on, yeah,
like yeah, it's so much that I can like, do you.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
As a grown man now, who's done work on himself,
who's in therapy, who's followed flow, do you see the
different do you see that through a different lens? Because
as a kid, I don't know. You just this is
what goes on in your neighborhood, right, it don't it
starts to feel I think normal those type of experiences, or.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
I think I understand it a little bit more, but
it feels the same to me. Like a lot of times,
it just hurts, and it's it's a shame that we
kind of got to like go through it like that.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
What a tech therapy teach you.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
When I went to therapy, like, I was super anxious
and I didn't understand how it worked. I thought I
was gonna have to take some medication or some shit.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
I was. I was like, yo, and I'm not a
pill person.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
I don't take pills in them, but I'm like, yo,
give me whatever I need because I'm stressed.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
But he was like, you don't need nothing. You good?
Speaker 1 (45:42):
You know this way he asked me, said, do you
see flying blue birds or something in this room? Do
you see like stuff that's just I'm like nah, He's
like you good.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Yeah. But my I was so wound up.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
And it has like so much anxiety, And I remember
I had came out of tour because I was just
like overwhelmed.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
I felt like.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
I wasn't happy. I kicked everybody off tour. It was
just like me and Tea on the bus and I
just wasn't happy and I was just trying to figure
out what that was. So I was like, damn, if
I like come off tour, They're gonna definitely think I
went crazy. And my mother was like, yo, they're gonna
sue you. These venues is going to sue you if
(46:28):
you come off tour, and I'm like fuck it, Like
I'm like, yeah, I gotta go. And then like I
would see, like I went to San Francisco and I
seen all of these homeless people and stuff and it
made me real sad, and I'm like, I gotta go home. Yeah,
something was going on, but I think what happened is
(46:51):
the best way I could describe it is like Angie
is a person and then like your ear is over
here and yeah is down here and your heart is
dead and like no, this is literally how I was formless.
I was just like what's happening? And I was like no,
(47:13):
I gotta like sit.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Down, and I gotta think it is taking anything not
at all.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
I had went vegan and I just was working real hard.
So may yes, definitely probably sleep. I couldn't go to
sleep for a second.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Diagnose it that I think that, like, literally, I needed
a break because I've been traveling for ten years.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
And I had some some unpacking the dude, That's what
I think it was. And it was like I had
to I had to do a deep dive.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I think I was growing and I was still trying
to stay where I was at mentally, and like it
was just like I was overflowing and I just had
to cat show with myself.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
I love that you knew that.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
I didn't know it at the time.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
But you knew something was wrong, because sometimes we don't
have to know exactly what's wrong, but you know something's wrong.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
I knew something was wrong, and I knew that I
didn't want to turn the drugs. And because I said, ooh,
this is when niggas started taking drugs and I was like,
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Going to do that.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
To get through you didn't pick up a ice nah.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
I was like, oh, that's something you know. I mean
to each his own, but it just wasn't for me.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
So you went home and you went did some therapy.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Yeah, and I arrested and I had to catch up
with myself. I arrested.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
You know, before I took therapy, I never held my
own keys. I never held my own credit card, Like
I didn't have a driver's license, I didn't have a house,
I didn't have like I was sad because I wasn't
seeing like my little cousins.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Grow up, and so disconnected from your life.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Super connected the friends that I was even doing it for,
not even around, like this is a time I went solo,
Like it was like a time where I started with
HMV and like all of my creative art friends from school,
and then we started mobbing asap mob so I kind
of went from them to the mob and then you know,
(49:21):
my stuff took off. So now I got my own
bus and my own staff. And by that time, it's
like ten years of hard work and no sedative, Like
you know what.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
I'm saying, no base, no foundation.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
I don't have a relationship with God. I don't.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
I don't know what that is. So I had to
really figure out what it is. Like I was like, yo,
I lived this shit to the max life of ten men.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
I know what this is about?
Speaker 1 (49:49):
What is the inside, Like, what is making me operate?
How am I thinking? I wanted to know the metaphysical part,
and that's when I got into it. I wanted to
understand how people die, like why do most people die?
And going to researching about that, Like you know, most
of the time is mental. You know what I'm saying,
(50:12):
Like mental, You're gonna eat it away, You're gonna sex
it away, You're gonna take drugs. People just need things
to like escape.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
I love that you knew that, that you found that
you didn't go the wrong way. Those are the forks
in the road, right, you could easily go in a
different way.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
But I had examples like yes, you know, like my dad.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
Kidney failure, Like what do you attribute that to?
Speaker 2 (50:41):
My father died of a kidney fan.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
I know, but why it was it? Eating? It was it?
Like what do you attribute why do you think?
Speaker 1 (50:48):
I think it was a bit of just a lifestyle.
He wasn't a drinker or nothing like that. I think
just be eating out, being out all the time.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Maybe he should have not getting a proper rest.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
He was an early silkscreen user, so he was using
the Plasta sat silk screen and the fumes from the
curation of the paint going into your lungs and your
kidneys and all of that ship not having a proper
ventilation like a lot of people like gotta get new
kidneys and ship like that after years and years, like
(51:21):
early on, like the early silk screen guys that was
in the basement knocking out a thousand shirts. I was
in there with him, like you not you don't got
no windows and nothing like you.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
Just I'm so glad you're taking care of yourself. I
hate that we have to rap right now because I
have so many questions about the way he's fucking figured
out his life. So, but you were so great to
be a part two. No, it was so many good
stuff that I know we have to rap.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
We want to go to your movie, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm great.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
Where'd you just go? You went somewhere?
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Just now. I was just taken in. I'm present.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
I'm just thinking about how great of it and of
you this is because it's just different, thank you, It's
very different.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
It's sometimes I don't know how to read that from
people because I'm like, I'm.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Also I'm talking about different stuff that I never talked
about before. I love that being jumped in, like my
pops and the silk screen and stuff.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
And all of that.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
Like, yeah, sometimes that makes people uncomfortable, So I try
to be like mindful.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
Oh nah, I don't want to the most uncomfortable at places.
I already took myself there. So this is a piece
of cake.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Okad good?
Speaker 2 (52:29):
I love that. All right?
Speaker 3 (52:31):
We have a segment. So I have a I have
a segment. It's our boost Mob segment. It's a voice
note segment with somebody. It's either one of the fans
of the pod or fans of you that knew you
were coming left. You have voice, So okay, can we
hear it?
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Yo? For what's up?
Speaker 3 (52:46):
Man?
Speaker 2 (52:46):
My name is Mike. I'm a graphic designer. You know.
Speaker 5 (52:50):
The past couple of years, I've been working at nine
to five, you know, trying to build my own brand
on the side the hardest things.
Speaker 4 (52:56):
You know.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Some days I you know, I have a lot of energy.
Speaker 5 (52:58):
Some days I don't, you know, And you know that's
something the bat us I've been dealing with when you
were coming up is my question. When you were coming up,
how did you protect your creativity while still handling the
real life responsibilities.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
That's a great question.
Speaker 3 (53:11):
It's a good question. How do you protect a.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
Creativity having to handle real life? Keep you your job,
keep your job, keep that money coming in because we
got to support ourselves but also find time to do
what you feel like you're destined to do. And that
was the way I balanced it. And then you know,
I'm great at like throwing paint on the wall and
(53:36):
just seeing what sticks and you know, creating something out
of that. So early on I was like making jewelry.
I was doing this, doing six scring t shirts.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
I was raight.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
I had a card that said all of this, and
I remember Rocky told me, he was like, you gotta
choose one thing because people ain't gonna take you serious.
Maybe I was wrong for putting it on a card,
but I think what that made me, what the hell
me do? Was I experimented so much that I figured
out what kicked and I still do it to today.
(54:08):
I figured out what kicked and I go with that.
And I always kept a job like it kept something
that had some money coming in. So I would just
say that, yeah, just just just try different things. You
know what I'm saying, like, just whatever come to mind,
is your ideas. Just go with the ideas, but always
(54:29):
be able to support yourself.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
There's also going to be something to the fact of
leaving room for those what you explained before that that
thing that pops in your head that I don't know, making.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
Space for that, Yeah, making space. I didn't understand making
space then I do now because I'm so busy. But
I would say, and in his stage, take yourself very serious.
Take I wish that, like I would have took myself
more serious. But maybe I mean that that led me
(54:59):
to like being loose enough to be in yeah, to
be in a flow, because I just was like, but
I would sometimes being in bed with my girl and
be like, ah, these people are out there getting it.
They are at the Migo's house right now, like making
a million songs and I'm here, and I was like, man,
I gotta take myself more serious.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
But it took me. I was like in a full
blown relationship all the time.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
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and we'll wrap up in one of these. You want
me to pick it or you pick it. Let me
see if who picks a better one. Oh, we didn't
really talk about relationship and love, so I'll leave that
on the side unless you want to give it love advice.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
Oh I'm not the person for that.
Speaker 3 (56:28):
No, you haven't figured that out yet. Nah in therapy,
now you haven't learned nothing about love.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
I just learned self love and boundaries.
Speaker 3 (56:38):
Oh my god. Yes, yes, the boundaries.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
Boundaries.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
So of our conversation today, what sticks with me? By
the way, Yes, the boundaries. I wish we had another hour,
but also flow like leaving room, and it's with boundaries,
like leaving room in your life so that you could
be in the flow, so that you could even hear
the whispers or feel what feels good or see the
aura or like how could you even be in it
(57:03):
if you don't leave room for that in your life?
Speaker 2 (57:05):
You know, let it come to you, because when it
comes to you, that mean it's right.
Speaker 3 (57:09):
It's so funny, you know what I'm we're saying this
and looking with the conversation with in the bowl. It's
in the bowl and then and I feel like we're doing.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
That and takeaways from today's conversation, right, I gotta pick
one now, all.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
Right, what do you take away from today's conversation? And
I was actually saying them without even looking in the bowl? Yeah,
you don't you know when you're in it too, like
you know it like the universe.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
Oh is clicking right now. It is like like with
my art and all of that, like my music and
just my ship is clicking.
Speaker 3 (57:43):
I love that feeling.
Speaker 2 (57:45):
Well, are some of your pet peeves? Triggers? Lazy people?
Speaker 3 (57:50):
Lazy people? Why does that bother you so much?
Speaker 1 (57:55):
It don't bother me no more because I just don't
fuck with lazy people out of here. Yeah, don't be
around me.
Speaker 3 (58:04):
You don't know nothing about that life.
Speaker 2 (58:06):
Let's pick another one, because that was too easy, easy
for you.
Speaker 3 (58:09):
Not everybody?
Speaker 2 (58:10):
Yeah, like, but they should know, like lazy people is
not it?
Speaker 3 (58:16):
Is it the one? My favorite?
Speaker 2 (58:18):
If God were to text you right now, what would
would it say? That was the one? Yeah? I love
that God was it text you right now? What would
it said? Good job son?
Speaker 3 (58:27):
Oh? Yeah, well then good job son. I hope you
get that text. You should get that text today.
Speaker 2 (58:33):
It's downloaded already. I love that.
Speaker 3 (58:36):
Acept Berg or just Ferg? Are we going Ferg? Or
is it Ferg? Whatever you want, it's kind of except
forever right someone?
Speaker 2 (58:42):
Or I mean like it's tattered on me.
Speaker 3 (58:45):
It's what people know me as like you officially go
by Ferg just for now.
Speaker 2 (58:49):
I mean I've been just going by Ferg. People don't
when they call me, they don't.
Speaker 3 (58:53):
Like but you never did like a press release. Sometimes
people are like, yo, it's such and such dropped a little,
or we dropped the I have to do young. Some
people drop like Jeezy dropped young. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
It's it's either or whatever you desire today.
Speaker 3 (59:08):
I felix Ferg. Today's today. Ferg was with us today.
Speaker 2 (59:12):
Wait until you meet Daryl.
Speaker 3 (59:14):
I feel like Daryl was here.
Speaker 2 (59:15):
Too well Fergus every all of them, but Daryl was
just a little different.
Speaker 3 (59:21):
Next next episode, next episode, for sure. Thanks for today, man,
pleasure in real life. That is beautiful.
Speaker 2 (59:30):
That was the best interview I ever did in my life.
Get on camera. I love that this is fer in
real life.
Speaker 3 (59:41):
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While I was thinking about this the other day. Is
like when a groups splits or whatever the case may be,
or evolved, I won't say split your fans is it's
like having a.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Divorce or something.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
You gonna stay at mommy house, You're gonna stay at
your uncle house, your pops, like where you're gonna go.
And then it's like hard to make it everywhere at
one time. So it just hm, you know, you you
kind of start developing your own family. I can't look
at anything negative because I'm just not that type of person.
I look at it like, this is how it has
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to happen. So we could all become fixtures and pillars
to hold up a building that you know, it's a temple.
Now everybody could come and like this side is strown,
this side is shown, that side is strong. Ain't like
just us in the middle and it is the building
is lapsided.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:51):
I love that I was getting all warm and.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Do you feel seen?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Because that you feel seen?
Speaker 1 (01:58):
You do feel like wow you You was the first
to acknowledge that Chris was like an early supporter in
my clothing line, So shout out to you for that.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
You know, Swiss beatsy well, Jay.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Cole, I had a longer version that had all the artists,
but I was like, I didn't want to make it
about all the artists.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
But yes, no, but yeah, I mean this was a
young man that was in Harlem.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Tell me how old you are at this time.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I had been about straight out of high school.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Yeah, trying to figure it out, linking up with an
early stylist name Fatima, an early stylist name you know,
Quasi Casey that worked under Mike being.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Groovy lou legends.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, so you know these guys, I will, I will
go take my belts. I mean, I was making these belts.
It was the brands called the Pony, and I would,
I would.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
They would get these budgets from like huge budgets.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I remember one time I had went to go visit
Qua's uh and he was shipping and closed out to
Chris Brown and he had, like I swear, it looked
like two hundred pairs sneakers stacked to the ceiling and
they closed down.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
And this is what Chris Brown, He's already Chris Brown.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
This is Chris Brown.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
This is like yeah, he's like, this is Michael Jackson
of our generation.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Yeah. And like I remember, I go, like I.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Quasis, like yo, we got a budget, and I'm like
all right, bet, and he's like, I'm gonna get a
few belts from you, and you know, just if you
could jazz it up. So I put all his in
all his belts, I put his name inside all his belts,
and he just went so crazy.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
What the bet he loved?
Speaker 1 (03:38):
He still got the belt We did a skit on
one of my albums where we're talking about they have
a conversation about the belts.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Shout out to Chris Brown.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
So you're eighteen, you're designing rapping, right, like you just
want to make well.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I was always a rapper. I was a rapper.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
I was kind of doing both at the same time
because I was battled back since I was fourteen, So I'm.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Just going to be in the streets.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
And I had a crew called h teen and uh,
you know, it then turned into Harlem Envy, and I
would just go to different people blocks and just battle
rap people, watch Madd Ciphers, loving all of the Philly rappers,
Vodka Kaboom, Meek Mills, uh read Dollars and then also
(04:26):
like Harlem rappers, J Mills, Charlie Clips, you know, Vado,
you know all of the guys and.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, just really diving into that world.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I'm hearing the Harlem cookouts when you risk your life.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, we was at them Harlem cookouts, like
we was going to to Uh. They used to have
an MH Cookout Most Hated Cookout where it used to
be like thousands of people outside all of the fly
Chicks was outside cam is pulling up with the Pink Range.
He got the Air Force one with all of the
Dipset members faces.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
On them, and I'm like this, do they know who
you are at this point?
Speaker 2 (05:05):
No? They they knew my dad.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
They didn't know that my pops had a son running
around like looking at what they was doing, aspiring.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
But this was like the inspiration around in the neighborhood,
right yeah, yeah, And you're making clothes.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I'm making clothes for all the crews coming up. Rich Girls,
Team Nerds, Superfly like Rich Girls. Uh, was a part
of that crew. It was a bunch of cruise in Harlem.
It was Trump Devas, Rich Girls, Top Models and Dougie
Fresh and them sons.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
They They was called Square Off.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Our crewise called Harlem Envy Rocky crew was called Million
Dollar Babies. It was Mad Cruise in Harlem. So we
was like famous. Her crew is called rich She was
a part of a crew called Rich Girls, but then
she made Team Nerds. After the crew started out, she
made Team Nerd and she had yams L's like a
(06:05):
few of the Mob members before the Mob and then
ye had the cruise faded out and then it was
like asap, and like that was it?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
That was what a moment. Though, when you think back
about that time, it's funny because when we came in,
you asked me about some of my moments and times.
But for you, like that time, when you think about
all that talent running around Harlem, really just trying to
find yourself and trying to create, trying to make some
shit matter, and trying to like what was the goal?
(06:34):
Like what were you chasing? What was the was it fame?
Was it money? Was it to be flies? To be
the flyest? Like what are you chasing?
Speaker 1 (06:43):
At that age, I felt fly already because my dad
and my family was fly, Like you know, my pop's
dropping around silver benzes with the mink, the match. You know,
we're going to Fat Joe store in the Bronx. He
putting his clothes in there on consignment. He teaching me
how to hustle. I'm silk screen and shirts, taking garbage
bags and shirts to my high school. I got my
(07:03):
mom's air rings in so the buggers is looking crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Like I was already super fly. I was chasing Aura.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Like me and my my bro j West, We'll be
on the phone for hours talking about the smile talking
about Yo. You see how you popped out that red,
which is extra. We talking about the aura that's with
the skin glowing because we just noticed like there was
a certain type of person that brought a certain type
of energy and it was aura, and there was certain
(07:34):
characters in Harlem that had the aura, and we just
always wanted to be the aura for people.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
There's a shitlottle aura that you just explained all the
people that were involved in that. I love that definition.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah, like even early on, like Tiana having a sweet
sixteen getting signsed for real, like and then you got like.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
And still running around hallm still running.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Around Harlem, like talking about Yo. I just came back
from one to see some park. I did the tone
wopping and Harlem shake for Beyonce and.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
That's you know, it's funny your hero stories are like,
you know, we was all young, struggling and trying to
get out this and the story you guys tell of
this time in this generation is not that we wasn't
young struggling, trying to get out of hard time, trying
to feed our face. Of course, everybody's always trying to
make money, take care of your family, but I mean
the story is not that. The story is like we
(08:27):
were young, we will fly. We wanted to be more
than just fly.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
It was having fun, it was and it was then
internet too, so it's like it was a lot of
entrepreneurial energy. And then I came from my pops who
was an entrepreneur, so I never seen him have a boss,
and I might have took the train with him like
three times, so like, and then he only introduced me
to bosses, so I only knew one way to go.
(08:56):
But I was really trying to understand the metaphysical part
of not needing a boss, because it was a point
in life when my pods passed and I'm like, yo,
how can I work for myself? Literally, like really trying
to figure it out. It ain't clicked to me right
then and there, but then as I like, I just
(09:18):
I don't know, I figured it out, figured it out.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
But that was important thing to use to be your
own boss.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Oh for sure, Definitely I hated it working for people.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
How dope is that? Though? That's also your story is
different in that way, like the fact that you had somebody,
your pops, that was teaching you how to to even
or even be in the example of something that you
wanted to become. It's like, I'm sure not everybody around
you has the same story of that we have. We
interview a lot of people here, and a lot of
the girls got daddy issues. A lot of the dudes
(09:48):
didn't know how to do certain things because they didn't
have that. Me and Brittany talk about this a lot,
because I'm always I'm always like deep of delving into
like women's issues with daddy, and She's like, I don't
understand that because my dad is he was there and
how that's affecting changed her life. So I would imagine
for you having that that role model. I'm sure it
(10:10):
was important and special to you at that.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Super important because you know, that's why I try to
be like a role model to my little brother because
my father passed away, well, our dad passed away when
he was super young. So it was like I got
a chance to witness pops like hustle out of the
trunk and then get his own store and then support
(10:33):
his brother that I was locked up, and then like
introduced me to like all the celebrities and superstars, and
you know, I'm still hearing stories about what he did
for people that just came home from jail and you know,
the amazing things he did in the industry and still
being like a super grounded person and a relatable person,
(10:53):
community person. I could walk the walk and talk to
talk because I've been there for it, like.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
A growing I was grown with him, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
So it was his aura, like oh, his or was
like nothing can't happen around this dude, like you know how,
like you know, like he passed away, but he's one
of the people that you just think like that can't
happen to him. It's a few people in my mind,
Like it was a girl named Kilane that was in
my Catholic school and I was like, she can't pass
(11:25):
she can't ever pass away because she too bad.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Like her energy was like.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Oh, she was like an eighth grader giving me like hugs.
I was a freshman, but my pops was like a
pure light like and I was like, it's just impossible.
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You know what's so interesting you said about that. I
always have a theory that because there's people that I
have met that I was like, Wow, they are light
(12:22):
and then they pass and I wonder like, oh maybe
they maybe they really were a light.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
And that pop smoke, Yes, like I feel like he
went like yams like like that like they light is
so bright it can't stay in this vehicle like they have.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
To or they did already what they were supposed to do.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And yes, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, I was like,
oh y'all good, I'm out of here.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Aaliyah when I think of going back, like Aaliyah was
that type of energy, like anybody in the room with
her who you feel that like, are you talking about
aura or that light is bright, and then when they're gone,
it's just like, I don't know what I always thought,
maybe there's something to that, Maybe there's something to the
idea that somebody when their light is that that right
and nobody could front on it, Maybe they closer to
(13:09):
God in some type of way.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
For sure, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Definitely, or like who says you gotta go until you're
two hundred years old, Like you could be a baby
and just do something, vibrate something to your parents that
they needed to get right then and there, and then
the baby go. You know what I'm saying, Like a
baby only been alive for a month a day.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
You just never know what they leave, Right, How did
that shift you? When your pops left?
Speaker 1 (13:39):
You were young, right, Yeah, it was three days before
my seventeenth birthday. So when he left. When he left,
I was just trying to figure out the rest of
what he was trying to teach me or what he
would have thought, like what he would have tried to
teach me. I was looking for like male figures, older
(13:59):
brother mentors. You know, I have a few of them
in my life. And yeah, it was it was a
bunch of that. It was unanswered questions and as far
as like the the emotional part of my father leaving,
(14:21):
I was emotional, but I wasn't too emotional because I
always felt like I was a part of my dad.
Like I always felt like I looked just like him.
I look in the mirror, I can't miss him. So
it's like and I literally feel like that, like I
came out of his nutsack. I'm literally a branch of
his tree, so.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
So you still feel him. It was true, true, it's true.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Now I come out of like I'm a part of him.
I literally come out of that person. I'm like the
best creation that my mom's in my pops could have made.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I love that you feel like that.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
It's a fact.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
You just reminded me of something I was telling you
before about how we launched this pod and that our
first episode was with Lauren London. You know, she went
through it with Nip, and she was talking about that
Nip was a light right and when he left, she
said her relationship, she still had a relationship with him
even he was gone. Wow, it's like the relationship still
(15:23):
continued and it wasn't just memories. It was like her
it still was there some things we've been better or
you know, like the way she explained having a connection
to people who were already gone was really ill to me.
And something about the way you just said that you're
like an extension of your dad. I never really heard that,
but I think that's probably important for somebody who has
(15:43):
maybe lost a family member or something, because it's really true.
It's forever.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
It's like when you eat an orange and you spit
the seed out and the wind blows it into the dirt,
and then it rains, it grows another orange tree.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah, it's just a cycle. It just keeps going.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah, that's really.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
So.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
What's your relationship now with your brother?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
With your little brother? Oh, we lit like he's in
a movie. He's in a movie.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
He got a role in the movie, and he's a rapper.
He's actually super nice. He's a rapper and a singer.
I gotta stop saying rapper because he knows how to
sing really good. He's like, I'm one of his biggest fans.
But I also told him. I was like, because we
did songs and stuff together, I was like, do this
because you want to do it and figure out your
purpose of why you're doing it, and don't ever be
(16:29):
a like I want him to know, like, don't ever
be afraid to pivot and act like this is what
you gotta.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Do, because I know as my little brother, he probably.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Look at me as like this is the way.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
I gotta be, babyfir he probably feels.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
To be exactly.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
But even with my pops, I watched him do a
certain thing, but I still ventured off and experimented a
little bit because I always my father's shoes is so
big to feel. I was like, I need to do
my own thing, to ask my grandma, what's the what's
the age he drove his first car, What's the age
he got his first apartment? So that was like, you know,
(17:06):
I was just trying to create my own space, and
I just wanted to know what he did so I
can kind of make my own moves as well.
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And he's in the movie. So you did a movie?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, I did a movie. It's called flipp On Shorty.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
It's like the whole concept of my project album.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
And yes it's short. It's a twenty five minute joint
and I wrote, produced it, directed it. Sage directed it.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Sage, you know, but me and him work very good
in collaboration.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
He's great. Yeah, Sage does a lot of our trailers
for this pot.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Shout out to Sage man.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Sage helped bring our trailers to life for this show. Yee,
I'm gonna have him do the trailer for this episode
you have for short for sure. I just shopped my
first short.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Too, shout out to see you.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Are you excited about it?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
I am, but it's kicking my ass a little bit
because we did it with a very low budget and
it was my first time. I always wanted to like
write something. I've been part of projects and films and
things in small levels, but I wanted to just me
in a room, write something, make a story, shoot it.
Like I just wanted to do it all the way through,
like get the story across the ford. And so there
was some mistakes that happened when you do it app
(20:04):
for the first time. So I made a lot of mistakes,
missed some shots, and now I'm trying to like figure
out creative ways to still make it come alive.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
But that's the thing, though, I feel like the mistakes
is actually the purpose, but it's God's purpose. It's like
we look at it like a mistake, but it's like, no,
You're supposed to go there the whole time. Yeah, Like
and that's how I'll be looking at it now, Like
I study the art of the dial and basically it's
like the art of letting it flow. So like if
(20:32):
we don't go the way you wanted to go, and
it's like we can't control everything, so it's supposed to
just it's like you don't try to be It's like
the moment you try is like the moment that that
thing dies. It's like a tree ain't trying to be
a tree. An apple ain't trying to be an apple orange.
It never tries. Humans is the only thing animals don't try,
(20:56):
Like humans is the only species that try. And when
we try, we just put roadblocks on ourselves. So now
I just when that happens, I just let it flow,
and I just see where universe is taking me. Like
what what am I supposed to learn from this? When
I'm so it's no losses really, like you know, we
(21:17):
all made it to the A. I love that it's
supposed to be here.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
It's so funny because when I when I do, because
I live my life that way, I try to so
I'm not perfect though sometimes I want to control some ship.
I want to like I have a vision and I
wanted to be that, and so sometimes I hold on
too tight and it never works out good. You hold
on too tight to something. It really you do have
to be in the flow. You do have to like
what is the word I'm looking for. It's like just
(21:41):
release like it just be in the present and let
it happen and trust.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah, you gotta trust. You gotta trust that it ain't
up to us. We ain't coming up with none of
these ideas like Blue, Like some people be like, yeah, Blue, God,
put it in and put that in your head like Blue.
Like people be like like, yo, I need you to
make another plane, Chaine, I need you to get into
your trap, little bag, get into this. And I'm like,
(22:06):
I ain't come up with none of that ship Like,
I'm not trying to do it.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
It just came.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
And that was a moment in time, and that was
a moment of time in your life where you was
having experiences listening to that music that left a time
stamp on your heart, like I can't create all of
that for you again, like it's not just the song,
it's like.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
But also if you try to do that, you might
be blocking your blessing of what you actually supposed to
be uncovering in the flow of your life. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
You you basically like trying to like go against the current,
and it's like I'm not here to do that. I'm
here to just flow and let it, let the art
come out the way it's gonna come out.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I love you that, you know that you up with that.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
But that's I think that's that's the exercise of being
an artist. It's like we always want to we always
want to be on the the edge of like the
cunning edge, Like a great artist always want to be
on the cutting edge, Like how close can you get
to the cunning edge of.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Whatever?
Speaker 1 (23:13):
You know what I'm saying Like when I when I
say that, I'm thinking about like people like Andred three
thousand or like you know where it's like, you know,
the society may not agree with this, but fuck it,
like I'm saying at Rock.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Because they're gonna have to come meet me.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Yeah, because I'm just a container that's holding energy and
I gotta let it loose. I was just gonna it's
gonna materialize it something else. You could turn it to
depression or whatever the fuck, and people be thinking they depressed,
but it's no, they're just not letting themselves flow.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
That's good? Is this a real thing that you study.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, I mean, I just I'm into psychology. I'm into
like thats YouTube, like just me, let me, let me dive.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Buddhist like flow state is like Buddhism.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Name said, it was called flow a flow flow fair.
It's a health fare.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
But we do yoga yesterday, right, no, no.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
No, no, that was a that was I did a
run today, but that was a fairy strong run. But
we we did won the first one in Harlem in
the beginning of the year.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
What was happening? Tell me? So basically, can you invite
me to the next one place?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Of course?
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Okay, So we have sound Bowl healing well, we have
a five k run in the morning at nine o'clock.
Then we have a sound bowl healing class. We have meditation,
we have a workout boot camp, we have afro aerobics,
We have aunts and.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Uncles with the vegan food.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
We have Melbour's, we have a bunch of like juice
makers and healthy snacks and stuff. And then around four
o'clock we start gearing up for the music. And this
year I headlined and I brought out uh Renee from
John Yeah, my.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Favorite in the whole world. That's my twin.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
And I brought out a lot of up and coming
artists as well, like before me. So yeah, we're gonna
do another one next year. We're gonna do it annually.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
But when when you When were you introduced to that
idea of living that way? And and just like the
the kind of the science behind that.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Because I hated feeling jealous or I hate it, feeling like.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Comparing. I hated all of these things.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
And I have to figure out the root of where
this energy comes from.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
And so is the energy that.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Like, yeah, I didn't like the energy. I don't like forcing.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I hate like reaching hard, trying too hard. I don't
like none of that. And all of that comes from
like ego, and where does ego come from? It comes
from just like insecurity, like you just got to trace
it all the way.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Why am I feeling like this?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
And then just you know, being stressed out about everything
to the point where I feel like I'm out of
my body and I'm not present.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I think that really brought me into like a therapy.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Love therapy, therapy. As you're saying that, I was thinking
about this. You know, I'm not like a fashion girl.
I've never been one to like I've probably been to
fashion Week twice my whole career, whole life. I just
it ain't my type of people, my type of vibes.
I do appreciate art. I love when people look to
go to do interesting things, like I can appreciate fashion creativity,
but it's just not you know, it's not my world
(26:35):
really like that. So but I remember being I was
being young, I was probably young in a game just starting,
and I was at a fashion event feeling a little
like out of place, out of place, I don't belong here.
And somebody was sitting next to me at a table
and they were talking about somebody else and they went, oh,
greeks of effort, and I remember the line, but I
reeks up crazy, right, And when I tell you, that
(26:59):
has stayed with me my whole life. But the because
but I also felt I felt her. I felt that like,
that's probably why I don't like this, That's why I'm
not comfortable here, because everything in this room rereaks of
effort to me. So to me, as I'm sitting there,
I'm like, I don't I don't want to try that
hard to impress anybody, and I don't want and there's
nothing wrong with I'm not disrespecting the fashion world and anything.
(27:20):
I'm just saying me internally, why I didn't I fell
out of place and something about the way she coined
that to me, Like, I don't know, I've always that
phrase is literally part of my.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
What's she Parisian? Maybe its effort.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Maybe, but I do think that's like part of my
DNA is like I don't want to don't try. I
don't want to try so hard, and then I want
to feel you trying that hard, Like I want us
to just kind.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Of like I just want to be around people that
know themselves and we can just be a tribe of
people that flow.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
We all got the right and because that's when you
have the most fun for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Yeah, like you ain't got to worry about like damn
this person like me. I don't know if this person
liked me. And the fashion the fashion industry is really
like that. It's really a lot of insecure people because
remember you dressing yourself a lot of times that make
yourself look beautiful.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, you're trying to follow a trend instead of the
ones that are actually pure and creating from a place
that's like different exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
So it's like the fact that you're not into it.
I could feel that.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Is because it's not that I don't appreciate fine material
or dope look or like I love how you carry
yourself and sometimes you put it on and I'm like,
I would never think that you should wear that together.
But what I don't remember just times I've seen you
you come out with a shoe with a thing, and
I'm like, that's so interesting to me. It's so dope
(28:50):
that you have that type myself, that you can express
yourself that way. And even when you guys all came out,
even when ASAP first launched, it was a big part
of that brand. And I don't mean to call it
a brand, it is, but it was you were people
by the brand, but it represented like a culture, a
(29:11):
culture and a freedom, just a creative freedom that I
hadn't seen in a wild from Harlem or for New
York or hip hop.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Especially were the kids that felt like we wasn't being heard.
We was the creatives, the you know, we was in
the streets, but it's like, oh, you're gay if you
wear skinny jeans or you know what I'm saying. It
was like that era, well it was just like everything
was gay. If it wasn't ACG boots and true religion jeans,
it's gay.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
So what made you confident enough as a crew to
not like fall victim.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
To Because I think my vision was strong enough to
just believe in what I was on, and I was
confident in myself. I mean I was. I was in
junior high school, rest in piece of to Neil. That
was my first my first girl. She was in a
raffle lawn pageant, long hair, light skinned, green eyes, black,
(30:10):
nice body, lived in the projects. I had the hottest
joint in the Bronx, Like I'm taking the train to
go see it. Like I'm having joints like this, you know,
I'm having girls pull up from Soho to the hood
and like I just dressed different. I'll just move different.
And my family is my family, so it's like it's
(30:34):
definitely like, oh yeah, that's that's you know, that's first.
So you do whatever you want to do, like but
I still like I could have just been like trying
to be like them. That was the safe way to go.
My mother hated the way I dressed. She like, what's
some orange shoes?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Why you keep getting these different haircuts? And I was
imb like, my this is Yoshi.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I'mamoto, like from the sample cell right a hundred cash,
these is four twenty in the store.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
I just came up so like you know, I knew
what I was into. And then when we found each other.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I was gonna say, how do you find each other?
How do you find like minded people?
Speaker 1 (31:14):
And in a hood though always shopping and we all
go to the same spots. We all going to a
trium where Calice used to work at. We all going
to the bape store were Cutter used to work out.
We all going to all these we all going to
the alien parties. That's like early underground. We all going
to the underground hood by ear parties, Like we're like
(31:37):
an early Shane. This is you and no, this is
well this is that's later. But like this is me
and like my immediate crew from like homies, a part
of h m V. You know pay so slim dollars
all of those guys. I was a part of a
crew before.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
A sad got it.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
So then when did happen and how did that happen?
Speaker 1 (32:00):
So asap happened, me and Rocky we will always see
each other. He was down with million dollar babies. I'm
down with Harlem movie. But we used to go to
all of these parties back in the days, and we
was like the rappers out of the cruise. So he's like, yo,
let's do something, let's get it, let's we always say it.
And then I remember like when Charles Hamilton was, he
was like hot and he had like the studio. He
(32:23):
would use the studio out of FDA. It was a
junior high school in Harlem. For some reason, they allowed
us to go in to school when it was closed
and they had a studio and he would be in
there recording with my boy Zannie and we was like men.
Me and Rocky would go up there and record our
ship too, and we had like we would call ourselves
(32:44):
asat Red that was Rocky and Dferd.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
And then.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I remember we had like a conscious meet and it
was like with Calender Saint and we all sat down
and we were just like, Yo, we're gonna change all
of our names. We're gonna put our first name is
our last name, and Asap is our first name, and
I'm as rockets as like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
What was the thinking that we were going to just
lift each other up or we were going to be a.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah, like how they got lazy bone, flesh and bone,
crazy bone. Yeah, but we just did the opposite. Yeah,
and so more of a unit, more uniform.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
We're all black. And it wasn't like we had it
all thought out like that, but it just seemed like
it was clicking.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah, it was. It was that little flow it. Yeah,
that's fire. So what happens in the real world when
you get a little notoriety sometimes it fucks up the
flow because even take that a take a sap, whatever
was happening creatively when you created that. I'm just thinking
that people want to define that label that keep it
(33:51):
a certain way. You know, you know you get what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, yeah, you just want some people get weird. We
don't want to stop eating make Donald's. You gotta try
a caveall one day. You gotta try collar Greens one day.
I didn't like collar Greens when I was a kid.
Your taste change.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
You grow.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
You like you're a certain age. You're doing certain things,
certain things it's cool for you. We're talking about body counts,
how many girls we had, and all of that. As
a I don't care about that Now, that's you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
You just start thinking about different things. You learn different things,
you get exposed to different things, and you and you
want to elevate.
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wondering if there's growing pains in that right because because
the inception of that is like a really I don't know,
(36:33):
it's like a moment, right, It's like a moment, especially
the culture is a moment. But then it has to
evolve and the flow has to happen.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Yeah, it's definitely growing pains because we practically lived with
each other for years, like being on the road together
and all of that stuff like that. So you know,
and then while I was thinking about this the other day,
it's like when a group's splits or whatever the case
(36:59):
may or evolves, I won't say split when a when
a group evolves, your fans is it's like having a
a divorce something. You gonna stay at mommy house, You're
gonna stay at your uncle house, your pops like where
you're gonna go. And then it's like hard to make
(37:21):
it everywhere at one time. So it just hm, you know,
you you kind of start developing your own family, you
know what I'm saying. And that's kind of like what happens.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
It's like you.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
But I also that's I feel like, you know, I
can't look at it. I can't look at anything negative
because I'm just not that type of person. I look
at it like, this is how it has to happen,
so we could all become fixtures and pillars to hold
up a building that you know, it's a temple. Now
(37:53):
everybody could come and like this side is strong, this
side of shrown, that side of strong ain't like just
us in the middle when it the building is lopsided.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
I mean you think about like and in no way
comparing this two different things. But I was watching some
footage of Kelly Rowland the other day and like it
was ebro. Somebody was like going no, no, it was
Joe Button. It's like, all of a sudden he realized
how dope Kelly Rowland was. He was like, I don't
know what planet I've been on, and she's like a
(38:25):
goddess walking around you. It's like this whole thing. And
it was like, of course she's Kelly Rowland, like she's
always been beautiful. And also like like it's almost like
he was surprised at what a dope performer she was.
And it's like she's Destiny's child, yes, but that but
because they had to it's like a flower right, Like
(38:45):
it's just like it's still part of your roots. I
would imagine for you and I know it's a very
weird comparison.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
To make, but the thing actually really what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah, it's like, how could she be the Kelly Rowland
that's at the Boy's Mind Tour without having grown up
in that and having that moment, but also without being
able to go past it. If she would have stayed
trying to hold on to that, how do you even
become that? Or Beyonce become Beyonce.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Exactly and then us be able to see her for
her and her and beyond a group like group think,
you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, as an adult,
I'm able to grow and think and.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
I'm so into like.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Doing what I want to do more and more and
more and more because we grow up with so much
group think and like projection that is like we wound
up doing what our parents want us to do.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
Like I had to grow out of that.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Even my mother like graduated you know, bachelor's, my stepdad bachelor's.
I had the pressure on me to graduate college early on.
I had to really grow like say like, no, I'm
going bosky out on them, like I'm going to be
I'm going I'm going to really be like uh, just
(40:09):
bohemian lifestyle dude that just sleep on my friends couches
and live like and just figure it out.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Like I'm like, if I got to go there, I'll
go there.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Because college wasn't working for me and I had to
really like grow out of that condition and just know
that my way will be different from my mom way
on my stepdad way. And I understand that my father
didn't take the college route either, so you know, with
other things I tried it, it didn't work for me,
and you know, i'd be like that.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
There's a lot of conversation about that now, the relevance
of college, but oh really in this world right now, hey,
I and this is and also I feel like college
is like behind.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
The world house kids even like taking tests and all
of that, because I feel like they could just do
are they're using their phones like they they.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Was first colleges and the schools were like, you can't
use AI in here. Then I think now it's suggesting
where they're like, Okay, how do we use AI, which
is smarter? How could you be an institution that's supposed
to lead and you're telling people don't use AI when
the whole world is using AI. So I think there's
a lot of weird shit about school. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
and then what are you teaching and who's teaching based
(41:19):
and based on what right? I think socially, there's a
lot of that you can get out of it being
in a group with people, like you know, like minded people. Community. Yeah, community,
but you had community already without having to go to college.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yeah, and that's that's probably what it was. It's like, Yo,
Harlem was a school of his own.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
I feel like it's like going to X Men's school
like for Flashit like for flash culture, you can't come
outside without having your superpower.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
Is sharp just superpower?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
For I'm a thinker, that's my superpower.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
What has been your greatest thought?
Speaker 1 (42:08):
My greatest thought is to trust my intuition, Like I
got jumped twice not trusting my intuition.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
What do you mean?
Speaker 1 (42:16):
Like in Harlem, like I remember, it was like a funeral,
and like in Harlem, funerals be popping because all of
the girls come out, especially somebody somebody's famous died, like
everybody wanted like, you know, it's bad, somebody died, rest
in peace. But everybody's outside like a club, Yeah exactly,
(42:37):
So were hanging out and all of that, and you know,
the blockers started thinning out, and my friend tried to
higher at some girls girl and he said some disrespectful stuff.
She went back on her brothers were still on the corner,
and it ain't no more girls outside, and I just knew,
like we wasn't sposed to be there. We got jumped,
(42:59):
but I knew, and I got jumped another town the
same way, and I knew. So I think that the
streets made me super sharp, and that was the lesson
that I learned to trust in my intuition.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Trusting that. Oh so you knew before it happened, Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah, I was like, while we're still standing there, it
ain't nothing going on, and here it comes. It was
super lit, like we're out of here, Like while we're
still standing here.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Yeah, that sounds so scary to me. It's probably like,
not that scary to you because you've witnessed.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
It so much.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
No, it's always scary because you don't know if somebody's
gonna cut you or shoot you or yeah whatever.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
They could just do you in.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
Isn't that funny. It's like terms that people just have become, Oh,
I got jumped or oh I went to prison, or
or I went to or with my my friend this,
Like I don't know. There's just certain terms that we
grow up here in so much you don't really think
about the trauma in it.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Oh it's trauma.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
But getting jumped must be fucking horrible, a horrible feeling.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Like I've seen my friend get stabbed at death and die,
Like I seen what does that do to multiple times?
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Though not like with different people. Yeah, like I've seen death.
I've seen.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
For Dominican dudes run like run to their car with
a gun, with guns, all guns. They catch one of
the Dominicans and he's telling the cops I'm with him
as a kid as I'm going to my cousin's house
with them, He's saying like randomly.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah he with me. No, I'm not language like he
like you with him?
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Nah ring my the bell. They answer like come on, yeah,
like yeah, it's so much that I can like, do you.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
As a grown man now, who's done work on himself,
who's in therapy, who's followed flow, do you see the
different do you see that through a different lens? Because
as a kid, I don't know. You just this is
what goes on in your neighborhood, right, it don't it
starts to feel I think normal those type of experiences, or.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
I think I understand it a little bit more, but
it feels the same to me. Like a lot of times,
it just hurts, and it's it's a shame that we
kind of got to like go through it like that.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
What a tech therapy teach you.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
When I went to therapy, like, I was super anxious
and I didn't understand how it worked. I thought I
was gonna have to take some medication or some shit.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
I was. I was like, yo, and I'm not a
pill person.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
I don't take pills in them, but I'm like, yo,
give me whatever I need because I'm stressed.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
But he was like, you don't need nothing. You good?
Speaker 1 (45:42):
You know this way he asked me, said, do you
see flying blue birds or something in this room? Do
you see like stuff that's just I'm like nah, He's
like you good.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Yeah. But my I was so wound up.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
And it has like so much anxiety, And I remember
I had came out of tour because I was just
like overwhelmed.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
I felt like.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
I wasn't happy. I kicked everybody off tour. It was
just like me and Tea on the bus and I
just wasn't happy and I was just trying to figure
out what that was. So I was like, damn, if
I like come off tour, They're gonna definitely think I
went crazy. And my mother was like, yo, they're gonna
sue you. These venues is going to sue you if
(46:28):
you come off tour, and I'm like fuck it, Like
I'm like, yeah, I gotta go. And then like I
would see, like I went to San Francisco and I
seen all of these homeless people and stuff and it
made me real sad, and I'm like, I gotta go home. Yeah,
something was going on, but I think what happened is
(46:51):
the best way I could describe it is like Angie
is a person and then like your ear is over
here and yeah is down here and your heart is
dead and like no, this is literally how I was formless.
I was just like what's happening? And I was like no,
(47:13):
I gotta like sit.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Down, and I gotta think it is taking anything not
at all.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
I had went vegan and I just was working real hard.
So may yes, definitely probably sleep. I couldn't go to
sleep for a second.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Diagnose it that I think that, like, literally, I needed
a break because I've been traveling for ten years.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
And I had some some unpacking the dude, That's what
I think it was. And it was like I had
to I had to do a deep dive.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I think I was growing and I was still trying
to stay where I was at mentally, and like it
was just like I was overflowing and I just had
to cat show with myself.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
I love that you knew that.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
I didn't know it at the time.
Speaker 3 (48:04):
But you knew something was wrong, because sometimes we don't
have to know exactly what's wrong, but you know something's wrong.
Speaker 2 (48:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
I knew something was wrong, and I knew that I
didn't want to turn the drugs. And because I said, ooh,
this is when niggas started taking drugs and I was like,
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Going to do that.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
To get through you didn't pick up a ice nah.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
I was like, oh, that's something you know. I mean
to each his own, but it just wasn't for me.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
So you went home and you went did some therapy.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Yeah, and I arrested and I had to catch up
with myself. I arrested.
Speaker 1 (48:38):
You know, before I took therapy, I never held my
own keys. I never held my own credit card, Like
I didn't have a driver's license, I didn't have a house,
I didn't have like I was sad because I wasn't
seeing like my little cousins.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Grow up, and so disconnected from your life.
Speaker 1 (48:59):
Super connected the friends that I was even doing it for,
not even around, like this is a time I went solo,
Like it was like a time where I started with
HMV and like all of my creative art friends from school,
and then we started mobbing asap mob so I kind
of went from them to the mob and then you know,
(49:21):
my stuff took off. So now I got my own
bus and my own staff. And by that time, it's
like ten years of hard work and no sedative, Like
you know what.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
I'm saying, no base, no foundation.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
I don't have a relationship with God. I don't.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
I don't know what that is. So I had to
really figure out what it is. Like I was like, yo,
I lived this shit to the max life of ten men.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
I know what this is about?
Speaker 1 (49:49):
What is the inside, Like, what is making me operate?
How am I thinking? I wanted to know the metaphysical part,
and that's when I got into it. I wanted to
understand how people die, like why do most people die?
And going to researching about that, Like you know, most
of the time is mental. You know what I'm saying,
(50:12):
Like mental, You're gonna eat it away, You're gonna sex
it away, You're gonna take drugs. People just need things
to like escape.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
I love that you knew that, that you found that
you didn't go the wrong way. Those are the forks
in the road, right, you could easily go in a
different way.
Speaker 2 (50:31):
But I had examples like yes, you know, like my dad.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
Kidney failure, Like what do you attribute that to?
Speaker 2 (50:41):
My father died of a kidney fan.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
I know, but why it was it? Eating? It was it?
Like what do you attribute why do you think?
Speaker 1 (50:48):
I think it was a bit of just a lifestyle.
He wasn't a drinker or nothing like that. I think
just be eating out, being out all the time.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Maybe he should have not getting a proper rest.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
He was an early silkscreen user, so he was using
the Plasta sat silk screen and the fumes from the
curation of the paint going into your lungs and your
kidneys and all of that ship not having a proper
ventilation like a lot of people like gotta get new
kidneys and ship like that after years and years, like
(51:21):
early on, like the early silk screen guys that was
in the basement knocking out a thousand shirts. I was
in there with him, like you not you don't got
no windows and nothing like you.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
Just I'm so glad you're taking care of yourself. I
hate that we have to rap right now because I
have so many questions about the way he's fucking figured
out his life. So, but you were so great to
be a part two. No, it was so many good
stuff that I know we have to rap.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
We want to go to your movie, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm great.
Speaker 3 (51:52):
Where'd you just go? You went somewhere?
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Just now. I was just taken in. I'm present.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
I'm just thinking about how great of it and of
you this is because it's just different, thank you, It's
very different.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
It's sometimes I don't know how to read that from
people because I'm like, I'm.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Also I'm talking about different stuff that I never talked
about before. I love that being jumped in, like my
pops and the silk screen and stuff.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
And all of that.
Speaker 3 (52:17):
Like, yeah, sometimes that makes people uncomfortable, So I try
to be like mindful.
Speaker 1 (52:22):
Oh nah, I don't want to the most uncomfortable at places.
I already took myself there. So this is a piece
of cake.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Okad good?
Speaker 2 (52:29):
I love that. All right?
Speaker 3 (52:31):
We have a segment. So I have a I have
a segment. It's our boost Mob segment. It's a voice
note segment with somebody. It's either one of the fans
of the pod or fans of you that knew you
were coming left. You have voice, So okay, can we
hear it?
Speaker 2 (52:45):
Yo? For what's up?
Speaker 3 (52:46):
Man?
Speaker 2 (52:46):
My name is Mike. I'm a graphic designer. You know.
Speaker 5 (52:50):
The past couple of years, I've been working at nine
to five, you know, trying to build my own brand
on the side the hardest things.
Speaker 4 (52:56):
You know.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Some days I you know, I have a lot of energy.
Speaker 5 (52:58):
Some days I don't, you know, And you know that's
something the bat us I've been dealing with when you
were coming up is my question. When you were coming up,
how did you protect your creativity while still handling the
real life responsibilities.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
That's a great question.
Speaker 3 (53:11):
It's a good question. How do you protect a.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
Creativity having to handle real life? Keep you your job,
keep your job, keep that money coming in because we
got to support ourselves but also find time to do
what you feel like you're destined to do. And that
was the way I balanced it. And then you know,
I'm great at like throwing paint on the wall and
(53:36):
just seeing what sticks and you know, creating something out
of that. So early on I was like making jewelry.
I was doing this, doing six scring t shirts.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
I was raight.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
I had a card that said all of this, and
I remember Rocky told me, he was like, you gotta
choose one thing because people ain't gonna take you serious.
Maybe I was wrong for putting it on a card,
but I think what that made me, what the hell
me do? Was I experimented so much that I figured
out what kicked and I still do it to today.
(54:08):
I figured out what kicked and I go with that.
And I always kept a job like it kept something
that had some money coming in. So I would just
say that, yeah, just just just try different things. You
know what I'm saying, like, just whatever come to mind,
is your ideas. Just go with the ideas, but always
(54:29):
be able to support yourself.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
There's also going to be something to the fact of
leaving room for those what you explained before that that
thing that pops in your head that I don't know, making.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
Space for that, Yeah, making space. I didn't understand making
space then I do now because I'm so busy. But
I would say, and in his stage, take yourself very serious.
Take I wish that, like I would have took myself
more serious. But maybe I mean that that led me
(54:59):
to like being loose enough to be in yeah, to
be in a flow, because I just was like, but
I would sometimes being in bed with my girl and
be like, ah, these people are out there getting it.
They are at the Migo's house right now, like making
a million songs and I'm here, and I was like, man,
I gotta take myself more serious.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
But it took me. I was like in a full
blown relationship all the time.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
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(56:16):
and we'll wrap up in one of these. You want
me to pick it or you pick it. Let me
see if who picks a better one. Oh, we didn't
really talk about relationship and love, so I'll leave that
on the side unless you want to give it love advice.
Speaker 2 (56:26):
Oh I'm not the person for that.
Speaker 3 (56:28):
No, you haven't figured that out yet. Nah in therapy,
now you haven't learned nothing about love.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
I just learned self love and boundaries.
Speaker 3 (56:38):
Oh my god. Yes, yes, the boundaries.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
Boundaries.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
So of our conversation today, what sticks with me? By
the way, Yes, the boundaries. I wish we had another hour,
but also flow like leaving room, and it's with boundaries,
like leaving room in your life so that you could
be in the flow, so that you could even hear
the whispers or feel what feels good or see the
aura or like how could you even be in it
(57:03):
if you don't leave room for that in your life?
Speaker 2 (57:05):
You know, let it come to you, because when it
comes to you, that mean it's right.
Speaker 3 (57:09):
It's so funny, you know what I'm we're saying this
and looking with the conversation with in the bowl. It's
in the bowl and then and I feel like we're doing.
Speaker 2 (57:18):
That and takeaways from today's conversation, right, I gotta pick
one now, all.
Speaker 3 (57:23):
Right, what do you take away from today's conversation? And
I was actually saying them without even looking in the bowl? Yeah,
you don't you know when you're in it too, like
you know it like the universe.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
Oh is clicking right now. It is like like with
my art and all of that, like my music and
just my ship is clicking.
Speaker 3 (57:43):
I love that feeling.
Speaker 2 (57:45):
Well, are some of your pet peeves? Triggers? Lazy people?
Speaker 3 (57:50):
Lazy people? Why does that bother you so much?
Speaker 1 (57:55):
It don't bother me no more because I just don't
fuck with lazy people out of here. Yeah, don't be
around me.
Speaker 3 (58:04):
You don't know nothing about that life.
Speaker 2 (58:06):
Let's pick another one, because that was too easy, easy
for you.
Speaker 3 (58:09):
Not everybody?
Speaker 2 (58:10):
Yeah, like, but they should know, like lazy people is
not it?
Speaker 3 (58:16):
Is it the one? My favorite?
Speaker 2 (58:18):
If God were to text you right now, what would
would it say? That was the one? Yeah? I love
that God was it text you right now? What would
it said? Good job son?
Speaker 3 (58:27):
Oh? Yeah, well then good job son. I hope you
get that text. You should get that text today.
Speaker 2 (58:33):
It's downloaded already. I love that.
Speaker 3 (58:36):
Acept Berg or just Ferg? Are we going Ferg? Or
is it Ferg? Whatever you want, it's kind of except
forever right someone?
Speaker 2 (58:42):
Or I mean like it's tattered on me.
Speaker 3 (58:45):
It's what people know me as like you officially go
by Ferg just for now.
Speaker 2 (58:49):
I mean I've been just going by Ferg. People don't
when they call me, they don't.
Speaker 3 (58:53):
Like but you never did like a press release. Sometimes
people are like, yo, it's such and such dropped a little,
or we dropped the I have to do young. Some
people drop like Jeezy dropped young. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
It's it's either or whatever you desire today.
Speaker 3 (59:08):
I felix Ferg. Today's today. Ferg was with us today.
Speaker 2 (59:12):
Wait until you meet Daryl.
Speaker 3 (59:14):
I feel like Daryl was here.
Speaker 2 (59:15):
Too well Fergus every all of them, but Daryl was
just a little different.
Speaker 3 (59:21):
Next next episode, next episode, for sure. Thanks for today, man,
pleasure in real life. That is beautiful.
Speaker 2 (59:30):
That was the best interview I ever did in my life.
Get on camera. I love that this is fer in
real life.
Speaker 3 (59:41):
Hey guys, thanks for watching. Make sure you subscribe, like comments,
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