Angela Simmons On Breakup With Yo Gotti, Growing Up On 'Run’s House' With Rev. Run

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Angela Simmons. Are you telling me right now you're in
your single girl era again?

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Yeah, I'm telling you that she's single. Oh Angela.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
First of all, Angela and I showed up today like
we came to give peace and blessings and soft girl,
and so we didn't even we didn't even plan the
white on white on white on white.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
I don't know what this means.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
We match the caream background. It's great.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
I'm gonna be honest, though, I do feel like I
don't know what it is, but I feel like there's
a synergy. Like I run into you in places all
the time, like all the time you haven't run into
somebody all the time when you feel like, am I
supposed to what are we supposed to this person? Or
I don't know what it is, but I feel like
I've run into you enough times that I'm like, and
then I saw you at the dentists and.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Named Ange, why haven't you come to.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
The podcast like for real?

Speaker 1 (01:00):
And I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Let's do it?

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, because I see you when I see you working
and go to your card. I have your card.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
It's a very light card. It just talks about the
fact that you are not only a legacy name. You
are a Simmons. Yes, this is a legacy name, and
you've grown into that name in front of the whole culture,
the whole world. I want to talk about the weight
of that, what that's been like for you. But you
are a mother, You're a boss, you are a brand,
you are a baddie. Thank you and and yeah, I

(01:28):
felt like it was time for us to have like
a who are you now?

Speaker 3 (01:32):
What do you care about now?

Speaker 1 (01:34):
I wanted to have a moment where people could get
to know you on a different level than maybe they
I know, people feel like they know you because they
saw you growing up.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
But they don't.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
I do that, right, That's a conversation I have Like
a lot is like I feel like people don't know me,
Like they see me grow up on TV, and then
they see me on my social and they're like, I
feel like I know you, but I'm like, you feel
like you know me?

Speaker 2 (01:55):
You know what I mean? Like knowing me and knowing
of me is like, I don't know's.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
It's so weird because the cameras have been in my
face since I was like literally seventeen, right, and I'm
grown now, right, I'm thirty seven, So I've been doing
this a long time and I feel like the perception
of like who I'm supposed to be is one thing.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Then it's who I am?

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Who are you supposed to be?

Speaker 2 (02:17):
A reverend's daughter?

Speaker 4 (02:18):
And I'm supposed to like behave a certain way, act
a certain way.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
That almost to the.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Point where like when I do things that are regular
to me, people don't think it's regular. They're like, you
can't do that because what dressing? Dancing?

Speaker 2 (02:32):
I mean, god forbid.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
I courage like eating, but in a different way, not
just because I'm on TV, but because there's a perception
of who I am and who they feel.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Like I should be. So then who are you, Angela?

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Are everyday Simmons? How different is that from what people think?

Speaker 4 (02:46):
There's a lot of it that's like, you know, like
I'm fun, I like to have fun, and I'm romantic,
I'm I'm funny. I guess I'm so many layers that
I feel like people just haven't seen yet.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
Well, what season are you in now?

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Like what if you have if you have to call
it like a season, what season is Angela Simmons in today?

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I'm in a growing season. I would say I'm in
a healing season.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
I'm in like I'm transforming into like the next like
part of myself, you know.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
And I think there's always different like layers.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
And then there was like me as a mother, becoming
a mother, a fiance I've been like I think people
forget there's so much I go that goes on in
my life behind the scenes and people don't see.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
You would engage to your son's father, yes, ah, wow, yes,
And that was like its own like whirlwinding happen.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
It was so quick for me.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
And yeah, that's a whole chapter. That's a couple of chapters. Oh, yes, yeah,
for sure. Have you ever thought about a book, by
the way.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
I have, But I'm like, geez, I'm still in the
middle of my story, you Like, I feel like I'm
so far even but not done. Like I don't think
I can can complete the book until I get to
like the goals and like what I want.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Let's start back first. It will take you up to
like Angela and love and all those things. Right love you,
I mean you've been through a lot love, lost, grief,
I know, motherhood.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, single mom, Yes, that's a very real thing.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
It's a real thing, especially for growing up the way
you grew up, you were like the Cosby Show. You
guys were like the Cosby family, and.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
That's what That's what I've always wanted, like, is to
have that like big family and like because I grew
up in it. So that was always like a goal.
I thought at seventeen, I want to be married. And
my siblings are like laughing me to be like, you're
not gonna get married a seventeen I'd be like leave
it alone, But I like, I want to be married seventeen.
I want seven kids after I have a first One'm like, okay,
seven maybe a.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Stretch, but.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, Like I I love love.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
You do. Do you feel like you're I don't know
particular about it, like a certain kind of love or you.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Just I like romantic love. I like fun love, like
I'm being on the word fun.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Do you like healthy love?

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Of course?

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah? I mean we all do, but I don't.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, I'm not taught. I don't.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
I think everyone has a little toxicity in them, but
I don't like toxic Like I'm not attracted to that.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, I won't like healthy love.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Because that's what the household you grow up in yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
And then you know, I have four parents and my mom,
my dad, my step mom, my stepdad, which I grew
up with like basically my whole life. So seeing two
different marriages, I know what it looks like to be
healthy and a healthy household.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
It's so different than a lot of the conversations we have.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Here really, yeah, because a lot of especially women, you know,
the dad's not around. So then you grow up with
not knowing how to even have a proper vulnerable emotional
relationship because you don't have a relationship with a man
that way, or or whatever. Toxicity between the parents, you know,
just all kinds of stuff and that and then all

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of the things that happened from then. Yeah, so what
happens from a perfect I'm sure your family was a
perfect say.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Perfect, yeah, perfect would be like but healthy healthy.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah, it happens for my health.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Well, what issues could happen from growing up in watching
two healthy relationships.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Divorced or being in the middle of that as a
kid and seeing that, you know, internalizing that.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
You know, I think people don't realize that like that
affects you as a kid.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
You're like parents but up and this' that, but like
they both got into healthy relationships and that's great, but
like I think a lot comes with that. Like I
feel like I move around a lot, because I went
back and forth to my parents' house so much as
a kid.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
So I'm like naturally cannot sit still.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Like I'm like, I gotta I gotta move, I gotta
do this, I gotta do that, Like I have it
in me just because like since I was a little girl,
like I would go back and forth to the houses,
like I would be in my mom's house, dad's house weekend,
you know, So it was always moving.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, so there's not a lot of sitting still.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
I still don't still.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Yeah, I think, are you chasing something I'm not.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
I don't like to chase things.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
I like to like flow, And I think I'm at
that point in my life too, like if it's not
meant for me, I didn't I don't want I don't
want it, you know what I mean, anything in life
that I have to chase, I don't feel like it's
for me. I think if I'm pursuing it and it
starts to like flow to me, then I feel like
that's what's for me.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Are you super like spiritual about that process? Like do
you pay attention to signs and.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
Like yeah, Like if I feel like too many things
are going this way, I'm like, okay, I'm not gonna
do that. Even down to my travel, I'm like, oh,
if it's like off that flight in for you or
they saying for me, like I get to say, yeah,
that's not right, or it is like I pay attention
to the signs around me for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Did you grow up and I know your father was
a reverend, but like he wasn't always a referend, right,
was he a reverend your whole life?

Speaker 3 (07:14):
No?

Speaker 4 (07:14):
No, I used to go to the shows when he
wasn't a reverend, Like yeah, it was the little girl
in the van going to the show run before him.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
I never understood it until understood it, though.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
I always say that, like, you know, you're in school,
the kids are like, you know, their parents want pictures
and stuff. You're like why you know, like eve in
first grade, like like my dad's weird and then eventually
like oh, like I think it took like one of
those shows to get it.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Like have you ever been really like fully able to
grasp like you know the legacy of the name alone,
like your uncle is known as like a godfather a
hip hop Your father is in arguably the most one
of the most one of or if not the most
important rap group in hip hop history, like in terms
of hip hop culture. And I know you did growing
up hip hop and all that stuf, But do you

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really feel connected to that legacy or is that just
kind of like your family.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
I definitely feel connected, I would say, and it's my family,
Like I think it's both, you know, like music plays
a really big part for me in my life and
always has. And then like watching what my family has
like grown and have done impacted me and like just
like my path and what I want to do.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
I think the coolest.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Part is like my dad always gave me the support
of like, you can do whatever you want and if
you change your mind, that's fine too. And I think
I extend that to my son because it's like that
helped me.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
You know, did that get weird?

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Like when you were young and you guys were sharing
so much and you're still growing, I don't know when
you're still fine to trying to find yourself, but now
there's a version of you out in the public, so
people start looking at you through a lens.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yeah, I would imagine that sometimes you start looking at
yourself through that lens.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
But I went through it.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
Yeah, I went through it until I didn't go through
it no more, you know what I mean. Like for me,
it was hard to like the public always gave me
a hard time on like my body image. I felt
like it was like yeah, like specifically when I started
going to Miami a lot when I was young, Like
there were paparazzi there, so that's like I'm in a
bathing suit, so they would be like, you know, she's

(09:13):
that tell you like or shell like ridden this that
like every day different story, and I'm like, hey, I
was having like a real breakdown. I had to speak
to my dad and having conversation with him kind of
like just change my perspective on people and their opinions,
and like said that he just told me like because
it was like around the time for like media takeout

(09:33):
was around right right, so there was like a story
on there on me, and I was just like so
hurt about it, like how could they say this about me?
Like and I couldn't take any of it off. And
He's like it is like like a very small percent
of people.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
And I was like day.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Why would I care about this small amount of people
when the world is this big.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (09:53):
Like, why am I even giving this my attention? And
when I just like put that in perspective, I'm like, bro,
like I need to be in my world, worry about
what I got going on, and I can't worry about
what people say about me.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
And for kids, you're young at that time. How old
are you at that time?

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Early twenties? Yeah, come on, you're still early? Do you
not all the way in your back kadding?

Speaker 2 (10:12):
No? You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (10:13):
I was moving around, but I was sick of those
type of stories. I'm like, every other day something different,
or they were.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Like photo shop and stuff making you bigger, like crazy.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
Stuff like if I look up Angel Simmons a bikini,
a billion pistures come up from over like the time
like when I would be out and about, but I was.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Really just genuinely outside having fun with my friends or whatever.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
You know.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yea life normal, That's not No, it's not normal.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
You do take health and wellness very serious.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Though I love health and wellness?

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Is that part of it? Does that like feel that
you're like, I gotta give it them?

Speaker 4 (10:42):
I got into it when I moved to LA because
I lived in LA for like seven years. I moved
to LA, a meta trainer started working out, and I
was like, I feel better like this. I became van
like vegetarian first then so like I just like it
shifted everything for me.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
I felt better about my life.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
I'm like, Okay, I'm going to live my life like this,
and I've only grown in it because I'm just learning more.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
As I go.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
And we should talk about business to the business because
I was looking up I was thinking we were talking
about pastries before. Yeah, and I don't know, I just
looked it up and I was looking at like the
numbers of what you sold it for.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Talk about that time and the success of that moment.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
So with pastry, my sister and I like we started
doing that probably around seventeen eighteen. That's when we first
started filming the show. We traveled like the world Europe everywhere,
lines wrapped around three thousand people plus just to come
to our shoe signings. And yeah, very proud moment. You know,
Like my sister and I designed it together on our own,
like we had the help of obviously our father and

(11:39):
our uncle and at the time. We were working with
another company that got behind it. So but yeah, really
proud moment. We did that for like seven years, maybe
a long time, I don't know. Don't quote me on
the amount of time, but I know that that was
like a really it taught me a lot about the business.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
I was gonna say, from a business, like what are
you most proud of as a business?

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Because it made a lot of money?

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Right, Yeah, it did really well. We did really well
with pastry.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
And I don't know, but chat GBT was throwing around
like fifty million numbers like that.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
It's over sixty six million. Wow, So it did really well.
And my sister and I, like I said, like we
really like it was our thing, like it was a
licensing deal. So we worked with another company on it
and then from there like we just I learned the
business early from there, like there's nothing.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
It's better to really be a part of something. That's
how you learn it, like being on.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
The inside, because like I would have never learned all
the things I learned without being a part of that.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Do you think you get the credit of being the
business woman than you are?

Speaker 2 (12:39):
No? No, I don't you know.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
I think I did a lot of things that a
lot of people do earlier on and because it was
so new that it's not it doesn't always get the
the recognition that other when other people do it.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Do you feel like, are you proud of of yourself
as a business woman?

Speaker 4 (12:54):
It's not like I'm where I want to be it,
but i have a lot of things that I'm working on,
from my Angela's cakes and my wellness. I'm building a
wellness community but I'm not there yet, but I'm close.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
But you take it serious. It's like a part of you, right,
like every part. I mean.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
I think a lot of people don't know how much
I work because it looks so fun, like, oh, you.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Should sit back.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
You're on social media taking photos and I'm like no,
like it's a part of like my job, like you
know what I mean, Like I'm doing stuff. You just
don't see it all.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah every day.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah I'm not gonna post every second.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
I post enough, but it's definitely not It doesn't show
how much I do in a day.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
You said you'd love love.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I do.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
When did love come to your life? Like when was
the first first crush? Well no, no, I mean like love, No,
not your first CRUs but like you, I know you
were engaged.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Was that like your first serious?

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Yeah, it's the first time I lived with someone that
was I was engaged.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
I had never done it that like it was a first?

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Was it like a beverything engagement? And did he ask
your dad?

Speaker 5 (14:04):
Like?

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Was it a whole thing?

Speaker 2 (14:06):
He did ask my dad? And then this will probably
make me cry I talk about it.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
But oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
I don't even know why I'm choking up, but probably
because you're talking about my dad and then my son's father.
But so you asked about the engagement. So he proposed
to me and in Georgia on the lake. But before
we went out, after I called my dad when he
proposed me, obviously he knew he was gonna proposed to me,

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and I said, he said, you know, I accepted it.
My dad was like, well, if he doesn't marry you,
I will. I just thought that was like so white sweet,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Come on, dad, look we have tissues for you.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
When she walked in, she was like, what are the tissues?

Speaker 3 (14:56):
He never knows? So sweet?

Speaker 4 (14:58):
You know, Like that's how so important a relationship like
my dad, Like my dad is just like so supportive
like I literally can talk to him about anything I
don't know, business to guys, like and he's straight up,
like he's gonna be like you tell me the truth
and even though I'm wrong, like you know, straight up
to me like no, like this person right, like you're

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doing this wrong or like, but that relationship is just
so important to me. And like just him even saying that,
because you know, like I had so much scrutiny around
when my son's father and I got together because it
was pregnant, like all of these different things, and it
was just like because youregnant for me, yes, and so

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that was like a thing.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
It must be hard for him though, if you're that
close the father, like giving his daughter away, giving permission
for his daughter to have a man.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
And I think that's.

Speaker 4 (15:51):
Why it matters so much to me. It's like if
my dad stamps approved me dating anyone or being with
anyone marrying.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
It, like that's a big deal to me.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
Like I don't take that like like so he approved
of that relationship for sure.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
He wanted me happy.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
He knew his grandsons are like you know, like so
many things, and like I just feel like my dad,
like he's just the coolest, like for real, like, so
he said he would marry I said, if he doesn't
marry you, I will. I think I cried like a baby.
I have to hung up that phone. I mean I
was already halfy because I was, you.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Know, getting engaged. But I was engaged. But it was
just really sweet.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
You were already pregnant, right or not yet? You know
he was pregnant, so he was already emotional.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
Yeah were you emotional at that point? For sure? Hormones
and stuff.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
But you know what, my pregnancy was easy. I don't
recall being super hormonal, like I was like doing my
thanks to working out, like I had like an easy, breezy.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Fucky you.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
I had twenty three hours of labor and three because
the first two didn't work.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
It was torture. One. I didn't know you did not.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
I had my son natural.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
He came like so it was crazy as his dad
birthday November fifth, he was doing November fifth, My birthday
September eighteenth.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
My son comes September twenty second. Why did you call?

Speaker 4 (17:08):
Because we used to laugh, me and his dad, and
he'd be like, I was like, your birthday's over? What
he comes on my birthday? I asked my son, He's
like I came on purpose. I wanted to take I'm
like you or somebody would take over my birthday. You
could get right your dad's birthday. But you know, I
think God makes no mistakes. Like unfortunately, like he passed
November third, and I just feel like that would have

(17:28):
been something yeah, oh wow, that would have been heavy
on my son for like a long time. And even
when I do these things and I speak about my son,
my son's father son, it's like I get worried because
I know my son looks up everything, he finds out everything.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
He's online.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
So it's like you have to be careful with you
what yeah, because he's he's he want to know some one.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
On Yeah, what did you tell him?

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Like even in that moment, So you're you're a young
woman for sure, pregnant, engaged, and you lose him unexpectedly
and your son is what too?

Speaker 3 (17:59):
And where were you in your lifelationship at that time?

Speaker 4 (18:01):
We weren't together anymore, but they definitely, I mean it
changed my life, my world. I don't think people realize,
like have raising a kid without the other parent is
like something you I don't care, No, preparation, like it's
one thing of a parent's here and not doing it
with you. But when you have you, you see the

(18:24):
child like and I see his dad like the older
he gets, you know, it's the hardest thing ever as
he gets older and he has so many questions and
he's like with my dad this or dad, and it's
like but I you know, I like to keep the
conversation alive. And Sutton's family is amazing with my son,
like his mom and the whole family's so good with him.
But hard, hard, very hard. Doesn't doesn't get easier. I'm

(18:47):
just like, you know, hey is me and God, like
what we're doing next? Like how are we doing this?
Because and my family's super supportive, but it's like nothing
replaces like a parent, you know what I mean? Like
that that he has the same name, and that was
hard for me right right after. I was like, I
don't know how I'm even gonna say his name anymore,
you know. And I got past that, but in my

(19:08):
head because I went to therapy, like like I mean,
if he passed the third I was in therapy by
the force, like I was like, I can't do this.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
I was numb. I have never felt physically numb in
my life.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
And I was like, well I do now, Like it
felt like everything's over and I had to go into therapy.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
There were so many things I didn't get to say
to him, and just so much.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
I wondered that because sometimes when people pass you, it's
all the things she didn't say.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Well, I wish I should have, you know, I don't
know regret or regret. Struggled with it.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
I struggled with it, but the therapy really helped me.
Like I went until my therapist like you probably don't
need to come back, like because I was answering. Yeah,
Like I was like, okay, I think I'm good. Like
I felt like stronger and I was in a better
space with it, and like but I knew like for me,
I need to be healthy, and then for my son,
like I can't raise him and not like be strong

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enough to do it. And I just but I couldn't
see it, like I'm like, I don't know how it is.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
So it was like fear that you would be like
what were you, what were you going? What were you
trying to get healing from?

Speaker 2 (20:07):
We had our own stuff, me and his father. It
was him not being there. How am I going to
raise the sun without him?

Speaker 4 (20:15):
You know, it was just a lot at once, and
then it's like you still have to live life, you know,
like life still moving, Like you can't just stay stagnant
because things happen, and things happen every day, you know,
And I feel like I took proper time to like
address it and go through.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
It, but it's ongoing. It never goes away. Yeah, you
just you just keep going.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
How do you do you have like practices of like
how you keep him alive in your son's life.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
Yeah, I talked to him about him all the time.
Or like my son will like say, can we go
through the pictures? I have tons of photos I used
to take. His dad never like photos, but.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
I took tons, so like you'd be like can I
see this?

Speaker 4 (20:52):
Or you can see you send me those, And sometimes
he'll have the pictures on the screensaver or like it's
it's different, that's tough. Yeah, And he'll be like mom, mom,
looking on my dad's stuff because like he's got his
dad loves like shoes and sneakers and he's into it now.
So it's like I do feel like as a kid,
you're always looking for that identity.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Because that's crazy too. As mothers. It's like that's the
thing about motherhood.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
It's like we carried the burden of our children heavier
than our children carry it. Yes, right, It's like you
probably have so much fear around how this is going
to land for him and trying to protect him from healing,
and it's like, oh, it's such a heavy burden to.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
Be all the time, right, Yeah, And I never know
it's coming out of his mouth the next I'm like, Okay,
what what do I need to do or how do
I fix it? But he's thank god, he's like super smart.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
He's doing well.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
Surround that I love too.

Speaker 4 (21:44):
Yeah, my family and everyone, he's super like. Yeah, he
gets his way. If I don't do something, he calling
my dad or my mom or his mom. Like he's
got so many different people he can call when he
can't get his way. I'm like, I think I took
I got a fuddy store, so I took his.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Phone.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
What was his phone?

Speaker 3 (22:02):
From him? Right?

Speaker 4 (22:03):
He gets on his laptop and my dad, he texts
my mom help. They're texting me back to back what's
going on with s JC or I'm like they think
something's wrong with him?

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Help help, help, help me? What did he need his
phone back?

Speaker 4 (22:20):
He wanted them to get so he's like, if I
get to them, they're gonna call her.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Everyone's called me.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Where's that shat is he?

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Okay? I'm like, he's in the room because I.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Took his phone away. He's text for the computer or something.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
Yes, but he's writing all of them. He's writing Grandma,
his dad's mom my, mom my dad. But the text
messages and phone they're coming back to back to where's
that shit is he?

Speaker 2 (22:41):
Okay? I'm like mine, he's eight, he's about to be
nine in September.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
But but he's got community.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
He does.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
He's got extremely smart, bilingual, like great, Like I'm proud
of his growth. I just always want the best friend
when it comes to like the men around him, and like, yeah,
it's because I don't want to know who he sees
himself in.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
You know.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
I think that's that's something that young women and young
men do.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
You're like, who where am I?

Speaker 3 (23:07):
You know?

Speaker 4 (23:07):
And I think his dad, Like you know, he's a
lot of his dad in him, Like yes, yes, his
how ambitious he is, how he just wanted to get
to the money now it e' I'm like, what are
you doing?

Speaker 1 (23:18):
But yeah, I didn't realize I probably knew back then
and just now didn't realize that you guys weren't together
when he Yeah we were, but freshly or you had
been broken up for a.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Little while, it had been some time.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
But that's the thing, Like I I go through so
much that I don't like speak on and I'm not
much of a talker.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Like I talk, but I don't talk, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
So like the stuff that I go through like behind
the scenes, be behind the scenes, you know, Like I
was like, raise my kid, like if we're not together,
and how do we do this?

Speaker 1 (23:46):
You know, like I just I deal with I'm just saying,
of course the trauma and the tragedy of losing him,
but like even being young and having a small baby
and you're breaking up with your fiance tough, right, just
that alone.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
There were so many more layers and stuff I don't
get too far into, but it was a very hard time.
And then you know you feel like like even like
the post like after you have a baby, and then
like the day you realize, wait a minute, I just
came out of that, so I must have been going
through something emotionally and I didn't even realize it, you
know what I mean, Like it was a lot of

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a lot, a lot of emotion. It's very emotional for me.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
I love that you went straight to therapy.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Oh no, no, games gotta go. I actually but not
at all. I don't cause I don't play about that.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
I'm not about to sit around all broke up, like
we got to figure this out, like it's wrong. But
I started going to therapy with my son's father, and
that's what actually opened the door to me realized that.
Like it's helpful because you know, when you sit in
therapy and you sit with the therapist one on one,
you're like, I got some stuff I got going on,
you know, like whether that be from your childhood or whatever,
and you're not dealing with it.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
And so for me, I like, I like therapy.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
I want to get in there and tell you about everything,
and like what so I can figure out how to
become better. I always want to be better than I
was yesterday a year ago, Like what else can I do?

Speaker 1 (25:03):
What's What's something that you learned from therapy, like about
yourself so that you needed to get out of it?

Speaker 2 (25:10):
So many things. Let me see one of the problem.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
I'm trying to think, as you said that I was
trying to think of because therapy has helped me in
my life too. I've definitely been in situations where like
I'm like, it's really like confusion or you get too much,
you can't sort through something. So sometimes having therapists and
you tell them all the things and then they say,
you know, they say what I hear you saying, oh yeah,
because I get to breaking it down, breaking it down
and giving it back.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
To me like, oh, I did say that.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
That does make sense.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Sometimes if you don't have somebody to help sort it out,
it just becomes jumbled and it stays there, right, so
you kind of work through it and get to.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
The other side of it.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
So I think for me, like some of the biggest
therapy lessons, I think it's probably like like I'm a
super empathetic person, right, but sometimes that could get in
the way of like pulling the trigger on something.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
I give people a little bit too much grace. Really, yes,
a little bit too much.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
And I know that probably sounds weird to like people
who know me like might not see that in me,
but internally I do that like, I make excuses in
a way for people.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah what you're like, Okay, this just sty going through.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
They gonna like listen.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
The story I was told when I was a kid
was that my father was a heroin attic. That's why
he wasn't around right, So but I was never angry.
I always thought he had a problem. You looked at
it a different way. So I looked at people, even
people have interviewed, people have I always try to look
at people.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Everybody has a story, everybody, everybody has its history.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Everybody, so you might have done some terrible things, but
probably because of what I try to see that in
people all the time, which is a good quality I do.
I'm not mad at that quality. But sometimes he let
it go too far. You can't let it go too far. Yeah,
you gotta have boundaries up because you see so anyway,
that's what something. So I just wonder for you, what

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what were the things that you kind of had to sort,
or if there's anything to share or one bugby like.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Learning that I.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
Naturally like to do stuff for people and sometimes they
don't ask for it, right, and you're like, okay, but
you know it's I think the therapist called it being
like a people like.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
You like to please, like the people around you. But
it's like, ye, like, but they did they ask you
to do that?

Speaker 4 (27:15):
You're like no, so you can't be mad when they
don't receive it, right, So like that, I was like okay,
but I said, so anywhere back to where did it
come from?

Speaker 2 (27:23):
As a kid?

Speaker 4 (27:24):
My parents are busy like any parents are, Okay, so
you're doing stuff around so you can get the attention
of your parents because they're busy, Like I'm sure my
son may do right, but you're signing up to do
it because it comes from your childhood. So you were
doing that as a kid, see me, look at me here,
I'm gonna do this for you to see me. So
then you become the people. You're people pleasing because you
want the attention from the person and in return, they're

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not giving you what you want.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
So you're like, okay, so you need to know. Yeah,
so you need.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
To know when you're doing that and it's not you
know that's ate an askid that, So you can't be
mad when you don't get what you want from that.
So it's something that I learned. I was like, it
came from childhood though, and some of that you know
you have to.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
Now you don't do it for nobody.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
No, I do, but now I guess I have.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
You know, let's have an expectation like I'm doing it
just because like I want to.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
It's also I don't want nothing.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
It's also the thing of like knowing, at least being
self aware of that part.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
To know why you're doing things is supposed to just
doing things. Yeah, being self aware?

Speaker 4 (28:21):
Yeah, it changes everything when you're self aware, for sure.
And I like to be aware. I want to know
what's wrong with me? Yeah, what can I do to
make it better?

Speaker 2 (28:27):
If I can?

Speaker 1 (28:29):
So you go through all that stuff. Are you open
to like love again right away? Or it has to
take time? Are you scared of it? Are you like
I'm chilling?

Speaker 2 (28:38):
I really don't. I'm like, I'm in my bag, I'm working.
I'm like totally.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
I mean, back then that moment, what you meant right now?
I want to know about right now too.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
But I'm just saying that after going through that, were
you like looking for love again or were you not
to take a while or I.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
Think it took a little bit of time for me
to just say Okay, let me take a beat. I
was still seeing my therapist, and I was kind of like, whoa,
what just happened. First of all, we met, we had
a baby. It was so much quick, and so I
was like, let me just take a pause.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
You know. I started dating a little bit after that.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
So by the time we split, like, I was seeing
other people at that point.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
But I think just because I was curious to like
what's out here?

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah, like why not you should?

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yes, if you're dating, I'm dating whatever, Like you're doing
your thing, even me. So I was just like, but.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
It was a while before love.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Then you had another relationship, Yeah, very public relationship that
people It was weird because you guys shared a lot,
but you didn't share a lot like we saw photos
and we saw we saw it happened, and people were
invested because he kind of manifested it in a way.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
I think, you know, when it comes to me in relationships,
there's a lot of times people don't even see who
I date, right, And with that one, it just felt
special enough to share, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
We both on the same page.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
And then it's like, I don't believe you have to
give it all to show the tree together.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
But you know it just felt right, you.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Having fun to it seemed like you having fun with her.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
Sure, I think you know it felt right, like the right.
It didn't like we both have our own thing going on.
It's like cool, like both these worlds came together. It's cool,
like get shirt.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
And you've been quiet lately. Are you guys together still
or no?

Speaker 6 (30:28):
No?

Speaker 2 (30:28):
No, I'm not with them.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Yeah, not my choice, but you know I respect him.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
It's all loved.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
It's not your choice.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
I wouldn't have chos it, but it was what was best.
But I wouldn't have chosen it. No, what are you
saying to me, Angela Simmons.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
I'm saying that I'm a lover. I love love, I
love relationships. I you know, I still this.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Man proclaimed that he wanted to get with Angela Simmons.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
This man like pursued you.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
He proclaimed it in front of everybody that he wants
Angela Simmons.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
So you're not telling me that he that he did
he in the relationship. It was my choice, you know,
I just I had to make a decision. But I
think there's a certain level of like what I will
always what I.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Can share and would share publicly, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
And I can publicly say that I'm not with him anymore,
but as far as like details, I would just never
It's nice though, nah, Like I'm just not that girl,
Like I'm just not that girl ever to share that
much more like other than like, yeah, we're not together.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, and he's not really that type either.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
So yeah, I just that's yeah, that's my vibe though.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
Like I said, like I could have probably been in
and out of like four or five other relationships. People
would have never known and gotten my feelings hurt or
not or whatever, and I just wouldn't speak on it
because some stuff is just better left unsaid.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
I feel like, so I just leave things alone.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
It's just that it was so public.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
I know.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
That's the hard part. Do you regret that in a
way or not?

Speaker 1 (31:58):
No, No, because you know, now there's curiosity. I know
people want to know what happened.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
I know, I know, but but I understand that.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
Look, I just again like much love and respect him
and just like he's doing his thing. I'm happy for him.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
And of course whether that season is past, I guess yeah, yeah,
was there heartbreaking?

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Well, you know my films were involved. You know.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
I it is hard, I feel like for me in
relationships because I get really invested and I'm like in
like in when I'm in love, I'm in love like,
which means like I'm staying with you. But yeah, my
filone's you know, it didn't feel good to not do it,
to not view with them?

Speaker 3 (32:51):
What is that that coming to an end unto you
or whatever you.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Learned about love or I mean, you just never know.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
You know.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
I'm again, I'm a lover. I love love, and I've
been in relationships where I think is it re married?
And then I'm not married?

Speaker 4 (33:06):
So here I am, and then this life can be
just really unpredictable, I think often, and.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
It's really hard for me.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
I would say to date too, because I feel like
the woman that people watch they.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Fantasize who that is and they don't know me.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
So then maybe and I'm not speaking specifically on him,
I'm saying in general, like, then you get in a
relationship with me and you're like, oh, I thought you
were like this.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
I'm like, bro, like it was like five seconds in
my life, like this is who I am? You know
what I mean?

Speaker 4 (33:37):
And not that that's a bad thing, but you can
have a fantasy of what a girl is like and
then like you get them in they're.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
A bit different.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
I don't know, I might need to get a guy
in here an interview, and because I have had a
lot of guys that said like they you know, like
oh I have a crushed or I like you, and
I'm just like, well what does that mean?

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Like you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Like you like me?

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Do you know?

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (34:00):

Speaker 4 (34:00):
But I think that that that's a hard part for
me is like growing up on TV from now from
seventeen and now it's like you think that's who I am,
and who I really am is like this way versus
that way or whatever. It's an interesting it's interesting, No, totally,
it's different. I've never had none of my friends deal

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with this type of mess like like you are you
cause you get to meet some and that's who they
are and they don't you have no prejudgment to it,
you know what I mean. Like I'm kind of like
automatically you Run's daughter, you're this that like it's just
mad things that you think automatically coming in and it'll
be like, nah.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
It's not my life.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah, you know what's interesting, and you were talking about
how people had a fantasy of you. Yeah, right, there
was also like a level of fantasy put on this relationship.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
I agree, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
And it was number one, the way he came at you,
and then it actually happened, and then it became a
whole thing. You're in the beautiful mansions with the dress.
It's almost like there's expectations of the I just wonder
from the airside, did you feel like that too or
was that not how we perceived it?

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Did you perceive it that way?

Speaker 4 (35:11):
I think everything has like, uh, what people see versus
what it is. And we had we are you know,
we had a lot of great, beautiful like memories with
like being together.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
I feel like, you know, so.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
What they've seen was really happening in real time, you
know what I mean? Or like you know, any of
the picture like that's what was happening and most definitely
like we've had beautiful times so.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
But we only saw that we didn't see That's the
thing about social media.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
Social media show yes, I.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
Feel like that's like anyone's relationship. Like I feel like
you go to a girl's page right now and she'll
have like tons of flowers up and all these bursts
and different stuff, and you'll be like, I want that.
I've learned never to say that. I don't want nothing
nobody yet, but you know I want that. And behind
the scenes, it's like there are going through it. They
don't want to be together, you know, like you just
don't know, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (36:04):
So, oh, social media is a devil.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
It's terrible. It's a fake book. I don't want to
read it. I want the truth.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
But you participate in the book.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
Yeah, but I participate in the book of just showing
things that I like. I like pictures and beautiful things.
Before Instagram got big, I literally had probably three five
fouls whatever. It was like, like I like pictures, like art,
I'm a creative, so like for me, like I just
like that stuff. But I participate just in what I
like to look at. It's all when I'm saying, like,
you would never know what someone's going through by social media,

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I just don't know.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
You got to be there to know for.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Sure, because who knew. We didn't know me either. Oh
I hate that for you.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yeah, it's okay.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Yeah, how do you deal with heartbreak?

Speaker 1 (36:49):
Because I always feel like people don't like people talk
about grief and trauma and loss, but like heartbreak is.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Some real shit. It's hard, Like it can make people
go to jail.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Just be depressed, like it could really, it could ruin
people's lives. Like I just feel like it's an underestimate,
like an under valued conversation of like how to come
out on the other.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Side of that.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, but some people they break up and they're finding
they're on to the next Some people are.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
I feel like they not do They're not dealing with
their feelings.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
I don't know, really, that's rough.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
If there's some people that break up, well they'll be
married for ten years and then they're dating somebody else
six months later.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
That's not you, No, They're they're locked in.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
I mean, like I think for me, heartbreak is leaning
into my friends, leaning.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Into what I like to do more.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
You know, in your a relationship, you put everything into
like the person and y'all or whatever you got going on,
and then like.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
They don't know, there's so many different ways to deal
with heartbreak.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Are you on the other side of that? Are you
still in it?

Speaker 2 (38:00):
I'm always healing.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
That's just like my model like I just trying to
get through everything.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yeah, but I'm good.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Yeah you seem good.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, I'm definitely good.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
It'll seem like you're like curled up no ice cream?

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Yeah no, no, I don't no, no, I want to
eat healthy.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Would you do a public relationship again?

Speaker 2 (38:25):
You don't know, never say never? Maybe, maybe not.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
I don't mind really okay, the fact that you're not
bruised to the point where it's stolen your like heart
and your your you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
Like, I think it has to do it work self
work and the amount of time I put it into myself.
But if anything bothers me in life especially really, like
I'm like, all right, when we go self reflect and
figure out what's going on and like figure out how
to fix it, you know. I think everyone has been
through getting their films hurt or like hurting, So it's
just like, what.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Do you do with it? If you sit in it,
it doesn't help.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
So what do you tell somebody who's sitting in it
right now?

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Go get some.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Help, like, or go get your friends, go pull yourself together,
like do something for yourself, you know what I mean.
I think relationships we do so much for other person.
So when you come out of it, you can't breathe
almost you like like.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
I felt that because it is literally that's how it feels.

Speaker 4 (39:21):
It's like m m, the pull up parts, like you
can't breathe you Like, I don't know this life, about
this person, Like what do I do?

Speaker 2 (39:28):
You know?

Speaker 3 (39:28):
So I just focus on you.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
That's all you really can do. You know what's good
advice and do what you want to do. I think
in life like whatever the heck that looks like, you know,
I give myself that grace, say, any day if I
choose to be with whoever or go back to whoever
or do whatever, like it's my choice.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
That's why I always tell people, if you happy.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
You like it, I love it, you know what I mean?
Like I don't, I just as long as it ain't
hurting you.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
But healing is still happening.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
Yeah, always, always, always healing. Always working on a better
version of myself. I've been working on this music project
that I'm working on for like the last year and
a half.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
Good because like personally that's.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Therapeutic, yeah for me, Like are you doing like single
girl music?

Speaker 3 (40:13):
I want to call it that heartbreak music.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Like beautiful girl music, A little bit of that, a
little bit of that. But you know, like for me,
something that helped me a lot in my life was
like different music and listening to affirmations and like it helped,
like literally heal me in the morning time I get up.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
That's a part of my.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
Routine, is like listening to certain music, listen to certain
like healers, like that helps it.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, it changed everything for me.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
Like everything I've been through in life, I've always looked
for a way to pivot, like, Okay, what's next?

Speaker 2 (40:45):
How do I feel better?

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Like I like positive and you don't like sitting up?

Speaker 2 (40:50):
No, I don't even like dark rooms.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Yeah, like this is why we have the whitest whitest
I like to me, the sun give me all the lights,
good lighting today and.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Shine and beat the color of the sand. We're right there, I.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Mean we are right. We are so focused, so good,
perfect alignments. Good for you. Who needs Life is short?

Speaker 4 (41:14):
And that's what I've learned, like you literally like for me,
like when I seen in the blank of an eye
what happened to my son's father, and how quick my
life even changed like that became like you've got to
live like right now, it's so important to be like present,
to like what you want, and so I'm definitely like
far into like okay, even if something happens that hurts me,

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like what's next?

Speaker 2 (41:37):
How do I feel better from here?

Speaker 4 (41:40):
You know that's I can't It would stop everything, Like
I just can't do that.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Angela Simmons, are you telling me right now you're in
your single girl era again?

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah, I'm telling you that she's single.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Who's So, what's that like at this point in your life?

Speaker 6 (41:57):
Vibe?

Speaker 2 (41:58):
And I'm chilling.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Is it already? Like are you like looking around yet
or it is too soon? No, I'm just chilling.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
I'm in a space where I'm just about me and
whatever that looks like. It looks like you know what.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
I mean Like there's no like nothing in specific specific,
but I'm definitely not like out here like let me go.
They like, yeah, like I'm chilling, You're gonna wait and
see or just let it on God's time. So I'd
be like, I don't know what that looks like. God
can go from this has happening in this day and
tomorrow could be this. I give myself grace and space
to like do what I want. When I want to

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do it as long as it hurt nobody like it
makes sense?

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Yeah, yeah, good for you. You don't been through some things, girl,
I have. I have.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Sometimes I forget what I've been through. I get thinking back, like,
oh God, like what you're here?

Speaker 3 (42:40):
You made it out? Are you still like? Because you
said you love love? I love you still have that?
Is it that strong love? I don't.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
I nothing about that? Like I love love, I love
R and B, I love love songs like.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
You have not been to the point you have not
been ruined, that has not been taken away from you.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
I just I just like it.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
It's beautiful. I think it's it's so nice to watch.
I like seeing other people happy.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
Do you still want to like, do you want to
be married?

Speaker 2 (43:10):
I do want to be married all day? I do. Yeah.
My son wants me to get married. He always asked me.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
And you believe, I'm sure in the in the union
like in marriage for sure?

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Yeah. For you, I hope you find it.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
I'm going to leave you alone right there with you.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
We got kind of deep. I'm like, the tears start
coming out. A lot happened here.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
I didn't even get to my cards. But we got
a couple, we got a cop of I R L questions.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Okay, Oh, we talked about your business already. I'm sure
you have other business happening and your wellness and your
family and.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Your iconic family.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
It's funny because I know your brother has a podcast now, Jojo, Yes,
I was thinking about that. Are there any kind of
like is there a universal way that you guys handle
it or do you figure it out as you go?

Speaker 3 (43:58):

Speaker 4 (43:59):
In the pub, I think we're all pretty synergized, like,
you know, like we all talk, so it's like if
we need to have a conversation about something we do.
But I think everything is you just go as you go,
you know, because we're all like have our own stuff
going on, but we're all in sync, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Jojo was saying how Vanessa or Vanessa was saying how
she felt in the family like she had to like
look after.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
She liked the she's the big sister, right sister, Yeah,
you're the big little sister.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
I wonder how the dynamics of the family as adults,
like sibling relationships as adults, that changes. It's interesting rights
so much there, and I just wonder what the dynamics
are now because we know you guys as the young
Simmons family, and I know what is the what is
the what are the relationships?

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Like now? What are the what are the siblings?

Speaker 4 (44:52):
It's funny because like when we all together are still
similar to what has always been. Really, I feel like
Vanessa's always been the worst, soft and like laid back
when I'm like a little more outspoken, a little more
like it's just like that's the dynamic.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
And then JoJo's Jojo. He's the older, younger brother.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
Too, because he's like always been like I don't know,
he always thinks he's older than us, and I'm like,
who you younger than me?

Speaker 2 (45:13):
But it's it's interesting we have our are you close?

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (45:17):
For sure?

Speaker 2 (45:17):
We all talk like we have our old group text
family text, like all time close.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
That's beautiful. Sibling relationships are.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Beautiful, they really are.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
I have no siblings, but I have a best friend
since I eight years old. It's the closest I can get.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
It's like having it really is because since eight is
like it's.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
Like she knows me better than I know.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
But there is something about siblings like you, there's always somebody.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Yeah, there's like an understanding. I know, it's just a shorthand.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
Sometimes I don't even have to say nothing. My sister
she'll be calling, but the same thing. I'm like, yo,
you knew, you know, like you all over there on
the different coast, but we're still in sync from wherever this.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
It's like, yeah, it's a connection.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
What a beautiful blesson that is to have you can
have more children.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
I'm in limbo honestly in my head, like in real time,
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
Not seven no, no, no, the idea of having another kid.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Maybe my son wants to see me have another child.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
He wants Yeah, he loves kids.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Are you being like because you said one of your
things was like people please there, And then also you
want to protect your son?

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Yeah, do you like spoil him? Do you over like
like it's weird.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
I'm half in half right because I'm like, no, you
can't have that. And then like like some roadblocks. He
loves roadblocks and rodbux and all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
So I'm like no, like right now, like probably day ago,
I just was with him and he was like can
I have it? I'm like no, but I'm knowing like
it maybe a week, I'll give it to him, but
you just like I need it to be just like
just a little bit, give him a little bit of discipline,
a lot of discipline, and then also like here's this,
so like I try to be the balance and if
I'm too hard on him, everybody else around him going

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to give him what he wants.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
So sometimes I have to be more of the disciplinary.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Got it?

Speaker 2 (46:53):
So it just depends.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
That's the hard thing about being a single parent. Mix
you got to be the disciplinary and you got to
be the loving.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah, I'm like.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
I want to be like the fun mom, but I
have to be like on you who talk to you
like that?

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Like you would be surprised, Like I'm straight.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Mama, really, yes, Like with him, I don't want to
play with him. Yeah, yeah, he's already. Guy, he's too
spoiled already.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Who are you talking to? God, I've said that a
thousand times.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Yeah, when it's a boy too, you like you gotta
like get over here.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
You don't. You can't do that.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
He don't.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
He I don't even if it takes me. Sometimes you know,
you're like you don't know if your kid always takes
you serious. You're like, do you need to take what
I'm saying?

Speaker 3 (47:29):
That's really cute?

Speaker 1 (47:30):
How does he deal with like you on socials and
your celebrity and.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
Your He's so interested now he's become more interested. Really,
he's like on me by his favorite rapper. He's like
my main rappers Kendrick Lamar. He's got like in the
screen taper. I'm like, how did that become your favorite rapper?
I'm like, I just want to understand because I don't know,
Like when you listening to music, like you're on your
phone and he's like, you know, I play with him
about like my music and stuff.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
He's like, are you doing it Kendrick mar If you are,
I want to be there. I want to meet him.
I'm like, sh shay. He's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
But this music thing is like a real thing for you.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (48:01):
Is this something we're gonna hear it too? You are? Yeah,
And you've been doing this for.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
I've been working on it for over a year, a
year and a half.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Interesting, singing, rapping, all of the above.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
I am encouraging and I'm bringing features together. I have
a cool feature I'm really excited about to Jada kiss.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Shot the video?

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Are you doing a video already? And everything?

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Ship?

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Yeah, I'm moving fast.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
But who's heard it?

Speaker 4 (48:31):
Like in your family? Everybody, my dad, my siblings, I
mean you know, I let them in on it and
they like.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
The reviews are good.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
They like it.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Yeah, I can't wait to hear it. We're gonna have
the place where I have to hear something.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
I'll let you hear before, okay, after whatever.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
So is this gonna be soon?

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Yeah, I'm working on it.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
The release date, you know, people about to be in
your oi your business again?

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Happy now with that drop?

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (48:53):
But you know what, I feel like this gives me
a different outlet for my art and creativity and like
the healing and the things that I go through and
to like create a whole different world.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
So in this music, are we going to hear like
some of the stuff we talked about today that you've
just been through and.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
It yeah, like just different parts of me. But also
like I'm big on like impact, Like how can I
positively impact other people or do for other people? And
that's always been my thing, like ever since a little girl.
I love like helping and doing so like I'm like,
where else can you get someone's ears through music, you know,
and it's healed me, and it's always healed me, like

(49:33):
forever I listen to music. When I can't listen to music,
I know something's wrong with me. That's like my thing.
Like I'm like, if I don't want to hear.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Music, something's wrong.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
I'm in a dark place.

Speaker 4 (49:41):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Like that's literally how I know something's
off with me.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Like, if I don't want to hear music, I'm off.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Oh I get that. That's what it's time of therapy.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
I can't listen to music. I need to talk to you.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
So now that like you're on this side and you
have a way to kind of express some of that.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
What have you learned about love.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
A lot of things?

Speaker 4 (50:03):
But love is just unpredictable because you never know what
you'll be dealing.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
With, whether that be good, bad, ugly, like and I
think that too.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
That's when it comes to like people saying they get
married for the better or the worst and all this stuff,
Like it's like you don't know what you're gonna deal
with because you don't know what that person's dealing with currently,
even if they haven't.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Told you, you know, Like there's just so much with love.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
It's unpredictable, but like you love, I still think love
is beautiful.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
You're still willing to be to dive all the way
in one of the times, right, Yeah, But I'm just
saying like sometimes when things are wrong, people get guarded
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
You's guard yourself, protecting yourself.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
I'm definitely like not sure, but not to say I'm
like closed off, but I'm really like chilling right now
for you. You're about to be in these streets this summer,
a nice summer summer coming out, Okay.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
I or old questions, how happy are you right now?
On a scale of one to ten in real life?

Speaker 2 (51:06):
I'm perusing.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
I would say like I'm giving myself like an eight
nine because I feel at.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Peace in real life. What do you pray for most?

Speaker 2 (51:14):
My family, my son?

Speaker 4 (51:18):
Yeah, like I say my family and my son and
my family meaning my friends too, because they're the friends
that become family.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
What are you most proud of about yourself in real life?

Speaker 4 (51:29):
I would say, like my resilience, like being able to
you know, bounce back from anything that life is giving me.
Because I feel like I have been through so much
publicly privately that people could never even like understand the
magnitude of what I've been through and just being able
to like pull myself out and to be able to like.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Be be here.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
Yeah, because there are things that I swear I could
have just sat down and said I'm cool, I won't
do none ever getting like you know, I mean, like
and just close up the shot or feel like it's
too much showing me. You know, like everyone has those days,
and it's like when I've had those days. I've had
those that day and then I'm like, Okay, that's it,
you know what i mean, Like not being the victim.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
You can't. So just that's good getting up and saying
I'm not going it's not what I'm gonna do. I'm
not gonna do this to myself. I'm not gonna die.

Speaker 5 (52:18):
I hear.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
I gotta get I gotta keep going.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Oh that's good, and that's inspiring.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Somebody was down like needs to hear that. Yeah, because
sometimes you're down and you can't even see up.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
You can't see nothing.

Speaker 3 (52:31):
Yeah, you stuck.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
You gotta be reminded like up is there? You just
got to pick yourself up.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
Well, the because that you know, there's always the word
depression is lack of expression. So it's like what are
you not expressing? What are you not putting out there?
You know, like you're not doing something. You know, if
you're in a bad space, maybe you're creatively not where
you need to be, or you're not around the right
people or like the people that talk life into you,
breathe life to you. Like you got to be around
the right folks too, That's super important, knowing the crowd

(52:57):
to be around for sure.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
How often do you think about legacy, Like your family
has such a big legacy, but like what about your own?

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Like what do you think yours will be?

Speaker 1 (53:12):
I have?

Speaker 4 (53:13):
I feel like I know I have a lot of
like businesses, so an entrepreneurship, like for sure being an entrepreneur,
but philanthropy is a big thing to me, is like
doing for other people. So like the two married together,
I feel like that's what I'll be known for. I
feel like when you come from such a big background,

(53:35):
you can't even like like it's inspiring and it's great,
but like I don't ever think like okay, I can
be right there, like where I come from, I just
kind of just am you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Like whoever I am.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
You don't put the pressure on yourself.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
No, I don't even want that pressure because I like
my dad, my uncle and everyone that I come from.
I love what they've done and they inspire me. But
like I feel like I'm meet you know, more than
just that, like I come from it. But it's like
who I am.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Do you ever get fearful of?

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Like you know, famous, like in a weird place in
the world where I feel like.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
People are getting chopped up.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Every what's happening, and I just wonder if there's fear
and like just the machine of what's out there and
how it's kind of like you know what I'm saying
to you, I.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
Just don't believe that fear and faith live in the
same place. So if I ever have had any fears,
I always put faith before fear. And so I'm not
fearful of anything, you know. I just I stay in
my world and I function in my world, and I
don't try to put insert myself in anything else other

(54:47):
than that, you know what I mean? Yeah, Because you know,
I stay prayed up. I believe in God Christ like
I'm like in my own world and spiritual, and I
love that part for.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Me, so I don't look for the fear.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
You know, they say you are tract what you you know,
constantly think about. So if I'm thinking fearfully, then that's
what's gonna come to me. So I always stay in
my faithfull rare full bubble?

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Is that from your father? Your parents? What do you
get that?

Speaker 4 (55:14):
It's a combination, I would say, like growing up in church,
being around spiritual beings, being around people who are like
minded that also, you know that get it. But definitely
just my upbringing, like my parents, like everything that I
like have been around has definitely helped shape me. And
then I've learned a lot along the way, like as

(55:35):
I'm going through these different traumatic things that I've been through,
learning where to lean into and you.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
Know what's gonna help me is that faith ever waiver.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
Of course, you have your days where you're like God,
you driven you know what I mean? Like I have
had my talk from like God, like this this too
much now, Like I don't know what you want me
to do, Like I've lost right now, Like what do
you want me to do? So You're like, my faith
don't feel as strong as it needs to. But I
know the faith. You know the size of a mustard seed,
you can get you anywhere. So it's like going back

(56:05):
to that and saying, look, if you just have this
much faith, you'd be all right, you know. So it's
going back and like just staying there and knowing like
you're good, Like regardless, that's good to have. How important
is money to you? I think money makes things more comfortable.

(56:28):
I don't place it over everything. I feel like you
need you can have all the money in the world,
but if you're not peaceful, it means nothing, you know.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
I believe that money make helps everything.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
But you need the right foundation to have money on,
because you can have money and be miserable. I've seen
people can have tons of money sad, okay, so what's
money with that? Or tons of money sick? What's money
with that? You know, Like you gotta have the right
foundation to even have.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
It on it to enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Yeah, Like if I could be peaceful, happy, and you
get your money, you good.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
You mean, you're healthy. You need all of these so
it's like you have to be able to enjoy them.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
But some people are motivated by money to the point
that they run there.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
They operate their life in the pursuit of what they
the success to them. I guess it's money, you know
what I mean? So sometimes I think money makes people
they drive, Yeah, it gives people drive.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
Then they realize, like when they get to their first mark, Okay,
now I want the next mark. And it's just you
never become never like satisfied where you're at. So it's
so important to be like like grounded and rooted and
like who you already are. And then the money's like good,
like it's an addition. But you want to make sure
that like that's not all you're chasing, because then you
live your whole.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Life like that. That's not a good life to live.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
Like if I tomorrow was my last thing, not going
not But I'm just saying I wouldn't want that to
be my only accomplishment. I would want to know that
I've impacted the people around me. I would want to
know that I left something for my son to understand.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
But I love. Of course, money is great.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
Sure, let's all make money. Let's I don't like live
a successful life. Success is important. Abundance, Yeah, abundance, a
life of abundance.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Any regrets in life?

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Hmm? Do I regret anything? I can't think of one
right now.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
I think anything I would have regretted would just be
like if you don't tell someone something and you don't
get the chance to tell them again, like just not
being able to like like learning how to say what
you mean to someone and stick into.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
It, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Like I like that. That's a good one. Okay, I
think this is the last one. If that young if
young Angela from the show The Family.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Seventeen year old Angela.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
If seventeen year old Angela could see you now, yeah,
how do you think?

Speaker 3 (58:49):
What do you think she would feel or what would
you say to her?

Speaker 4 (58:51):
She would not have known she was gonna have no
baby right now. She wouldn't have known nothing, Like I
don't think at seventeen I would have seen my life
where I'm married now, I know, like some of the
goals I've hit success wise, yes, like that was inevitable,
but like just all the twists and turns and things
I've been through. No, and you couldn't have told me
none of the stuff like from people I've dated, things

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I've done, Like, no, I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
It would have been like no, absolutely not.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
There are things at seventeen you look at your friend
and you say never, and then you look up and you're.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Like, I know you lying, Like how did I get here?

Speaker 6 (59:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (59:23):
So yeah, what would I tell her? From where? From seventh?
From from this point to seventeen?

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Seventeen year old who's on the reality show with the
family girl.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
You don't know what you're about to put up with,
what you're about to go through. You think you know,
you have no idea for real, Like, because I wouldn't
have you just never, I always I've learned to never
say never.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Turned that's very real. Yeah, never say never because you
just don't know.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
You don't know, and what's left for you to do?

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Like what are your big things that you want to
accomplish while you're still here on earth?

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Definitely sell my company Angela's Cakes for a billion dollars
because it's gonna happen. I am working on a lot
ard you, I'm working on a lot of different doors
with that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
I'm very excited about that. There's a lot of energy
behind that.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
Right now, working in more in my wellness space, which
is Anglia and wellness. So just doing more in the
wellness space and informing people and helping people live beautiful lives.
Like I just believe in being happy and at peace
and doing what you love, so opening up more, giving
people a little more than what I have been. I

(01:00:30):
know this today is a big this is I know
I'm kind of like, did I just take off my clothes?

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
I give you?

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
I know, sometimes after the interviews.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Don't have like what is that called like a vulnerability remorse?

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
After there's always like a moment of like I gave
a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Yeah, I don't speak this much. I think purposely though,
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Because why you're protecting yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
Or your because I feel like I have given so much,
like from so young that it's like how much do
you get to keep?

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
And then how much do I give you?

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
You know, but then are you vulnerable with your like friends?

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
And you're like they know me, they know all parts
of me, crazy meat, all types of me, all of it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
For sure. You have good friends and good circle of friends.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
This girl is my good friend, this lady, this woman,
hey friend, she's a good friend.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Am I crazy?

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
She came in, she told you pict your little hair,
she gave you a little note. She's she's on it, she's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
She's not playing. But yeah, I have great friends.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
I feel like I have a really good like tribe
and lagious people around me. I feel like you always
need people to keep it real with you and like
tell you when you're tripping, and like.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Till you be tripping because everything you told me feels
like you got it all together.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
You look, you feel you got your.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Ask, you get therapy, you get heartbroken, you pick yourself
back up off the floor, and you can call.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Them first the trip.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
That's the part you're leaving off, the hour or two
hour conversation and you're like, all right, that was it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
I just need to Vinci, I'm out. Let me go
back to being regular.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
It's no, this don't don't even this conversation never happens.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Who is that part of you? Like who is the
tripping ass? Like what what is that?

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
Or she just comes out a little bit a little bit,
Oh is there? For sure? I think everybody emotional.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
I can be, but I also can be very like
not emotional, Like it's it. That's the scare bar of me.
It's either one or the other. Either I'm in or
I'm out. The middle part.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
It's not the best like gray.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Yeah, black and white, like give it to me straight.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Yeah, that's good. That's a good way to live.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
What time I try to do, I A'm perfect, but yeah,
for the most part, I'm gonna give you black and white.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
The no mean girls stuff. I don't know how to
lean to it, but so what girls?

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
So I started a movement called no Mean Girls because, like,
everybody bothers me about my dancing, right but before so
before this came up, even before dancing, I feel like
the world people can be clickie, even in like schools
and all this other stuff, and we deal with like kids.
It's like it's like it's insane, right, So I decided

(01:03:03):
I wanted to start something to call no Mean Girls Allowed,
because I don't like mean girls, Like I'm a girl's girl.
I like women like I don't get in. I'm not
gonna be making funny. I don't do it, but people
like to bother me. You want my dance, So that's
what I'm gonna go dance, and I want to teach
people to be confident in who.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
They are no matter what. So they bother you about
your dancing, yes, they.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Bother me by if I put up a dance video right.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
Now, sit down stiff self. I'm like, bro, I'm chilling.
I'm enjoying myself.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
This was fun. You see the video of a teacher Campbell?

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Oh my god, yes, teacher. I saw a video recently
a teacher Campbell. She was dancing to It was like
a house record music.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
We should put it right here so people could know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
But she was just she didn't know nobody was taping her.
She just was having a dance moment. It was really cute,
and we should all thrive to be that free and
have those moments. So when you go and you dancing
and then you're having fun, and then you posted and
somebody says, so there's.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
Like me dancing out and about, Like, that's different, right,
that's like with my friends. And then there's just like
me dancing. You know, maybe a little trend like they
want to do that. I'm the little I don't know
how to do I believe I'm about to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
I'm figure it out when I'm out here.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
I don't know how to fully do it, but I'm
gonna do it because it's fun to me, like movement
and like. But I don't believe in girls being mean.
I think that's so old, outdated. Like people need to
be supportive of each other, love on each other, like
we're at a time where people need it, and I
just I don't like seeing people being left out, Like
I don't like that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
Social media is brutal too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
They're evil.

Speaker 4 (01:04:35):
But I can't do nothing right anywhere on social media.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
I can't do this something tight, And I feel like
you took it down even it was the camel too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
They I didn't think nothing of it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
I didn't even really like to me, I looked at
a bunch of the photos even with it, I didn't
think nothing of it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
People posted all the time. I wasn't trying to get
no attention from that. I genuinely didn't think.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
The first trap.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
I'm like, why would I post that thinking that? But
I took it down.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
But at the same time, like I'm not scared to
say nothing, like I'll talk about it, yeah, because I
don't care like that, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Like and anything I do, I feel like it's just
under like a different type of microscope.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
It's not just you. I think the world we're.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
At they messed with me, Angie, like for real, like
you've got some armor on you though that it doesn't
change because some people would just not do another dance.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
Video I'm doing twenty five forty fifty, one hundred whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
I'm doing what I wanted.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
You're gonna do dance videos with a camel talk, right,
I'm gonna put them blue pants back going into it
because I don't care like my in the circle would
we straight my family straight?

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
It don't matter what y'all think. You can knock me
off my horse like it is what it is?

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
So wait this movement is it?

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
Uh so it's I literally I sat with the trainer Genesis,
and I'm like, let's do this together because I've been
dancing with him and doing like having fun on the side,
and I was like, we should do something together because
I feel like women and girls like we.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
Need that girls allowed. Yeah, so that's crew. No mean girl,
you don't have no mean girl juice in you at all.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
I'm not mean, but I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:06:07):
I think opinionated sometimes can be read as mean. So
maybe having a strong opinion, but I'm not meanody you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Want to my feelings. I'm sensitive. I know people don't
know that. I'm very sensitive. I can besie. I think
I've been told.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
I'm like, what is that in the middle thing with
the chocolate in the middle and smashine the side.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
I'm like, I.

Speaker 6 (01:06:30):
Guess, so stuff in there the same way I could
see that, like it's that New York though, like we
gotta be like that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
It's like we come from that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
You're like, she's like an I could see she was
like my friends have called me several different things like that.
They're like, you like this hard showing and when she
getting inside is get out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
Most hard girls are, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Mean the right ones get through first.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
The heart goes from New York.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
We're like, yo, shoot, shut up, yo, kipping that for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
You know what's so crazy about today is like you
came in, there were tissues there.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
And I know we were gonna. I had had a
sense that you had had a break up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
I know you've been to some grief in the past,
so I thought maybe that some of that stuff would
maybe bring up some emotions from you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
Well, what brought up the emotions was your dad.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
Because he's the best, and I think it's hard for
anyone to like even like I don't know, Like that
moment to me in my life was like that was
a very like I didn't I didn't expect him to
say that, and he's like a vitas and I will
like that was just so sweet, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
And what makes a good dad?

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
They just like my dad.

Speaker 4 (01:07:50):
I don't know if there's one like mine, but a
good dad is like just like all ears, Like my
dad is never like he's just always there for me.
I think, being there over and over and over again,
like no matter what the situation is, and like letting
me know he's there, you know what I mean, Like
it's been through anything everything. When I have my son,
my dad was one of the first people out there,

(01:08:12):
like he's not playing. He was calling me non stop,
like your water, bro, why are you driving? I'm like
in Jersey driving my range to go get food. He's like, please,
you're making me Like he kept calling like I'm fine,
but like, you know, that's just like a dope relationship.
But I just think I don't not explain it. It's
just like they just.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Do it, like it's he impacted me forever. Yeah, he's dope.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
How lucky are you?

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
Very very blessed, very blessed. I always say that I
always feel like God just got my back, so I
feel blessed.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
How much is that the root of who you are?

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
It is the rule it's important. It's at the top,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
Like, I feel like my relationship with God being strong
is super important, you know. And I think everyone's looks
different for them, you know. I think some people think
it's praying fifteen times a day. Some people say, maybe,
you know what, everyone's just different. But I'm just rooted
in that knowing that, like, Okay, God, you got my.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Back, You're gonna leave me.

Speaker 3 (01:09:08):
Where are we going today?

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
What we're doing?

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
You know, it's a good way to live.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
I live on it. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Well you're amazing, baby. I can't wait to hear the
music or projects.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
You gonna sell a company for a billion dollars?

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Not yet, but she's out some hot girls summer this summer.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
Then there's gonna be that's gonna be a new man.
And maybe oh whoa, whoa a husband at some point
a point, at some point, I like a husband.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
You like a husband? Yeah, all right, Well I can't
wait husbands.

Speaker 1 (01:09:37):
All right, once you find them, come back so we
can discuss your love journey.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Okay, pray on it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
I think once the music comes out, we're gonna we're
gonna know more.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Yes, but are you singing thing, doing poetry like singing.

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
I'm kind of like, yeah, oh kind of, I'm not
I'm not singing personally.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
So you're going through stuff, writing your stuff that you're
going through, and you have figured out a way to
put it to music.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
A heel through music, you know, And I've always have
And so I just one day if New York City
went into the studio and just started, I was with Q.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
You know que here statis Q. So I was with him.

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
Yes, yeah, we went in together and he was going
through some stuff himself, like person on his life, and
we just like almost he leant together going through different
stuff like and I just it just was a move
like when I lift met him, like I don't even know,
like I just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
I can't let you hear better than I can tell you, Okay,
better than I can explain it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
I'm interested.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
I'm excited for you to hear it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
I would never even think that I'm going through some
let me go to the studio.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
I've always kind of thought about that, I think. But
I feel like, if anything, I shied away from doing
music even as like a younger like me, because coming
from it, the expectation of what you need to come with.
Oh your dad is this or like either they'll make
you a laughing stock or they're gonna be super hard
on you. You don't just get the fair shout out the
gate like the regular artist you are like the pre judgment.

(01:11:04):
It's the same thing in my relationship and work. Everything
that I come with comes with a pre judgment. Oh
you're doing this, well they should be done like this
because you come from this or are you doing this?

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
You must have money or backers.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
Byd it like you don't know what I'm doing, Like
I'm like, I'm a I'm a hustler, Like I'm out here,
get going, like I don't play, like I'll.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Work twenty four to seven. My phone don't turn off
like I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
It's like a thrill for me. But like people wouldn't
know that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
They would think, oh, silver spoon in mouth, this is
how this is done. Like y'all, I don't even know
the half what I've been through.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
You're a hustler.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
What you ready wan to hear my song?

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
Can we like play a little.

Speaker 7 (01:11:42):
Shew? A girl named restaurant.

Speaker 5 (01:12:00):
S Big makes it in pote make up, it is
struggly working that so have.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
Do you ever found yourself trying to find which way
to go?

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Dude, I go left? Maybe it's right. Have you even
ran from the truth? Being ran from your truth? You
an it's nothing to come about them.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
Did you like this too?

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
She wrote that part I kept okay, fighting is go Sana,
but I related to it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
I love that you're not afraid.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
There's not many things that scared me. Yeah. I mean,
I let when I love something.

Speaker 4 (01:12:54):
I'm creative, so to me, like my art is all
in creativity, I'm like my brain is always going.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Fear stops so many people from doing so many things,
like we all have things that we of course it would.
You're worried, especially now this generation, because you're gonna serve
this up and everybody's gonna have a comment, good, bad,
ugly whatever. We're not gonna be so much of that,
and that stops a lot of people from trying new things,
doing stuff outside their boxes.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
It's fear.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Yeah, I don't like to fear. It's not good. Faith
and fear don't live together. You got to have faith
in yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
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