Bun B On Marriage, Manhood & Love: What It Really Means To Be A Protector

Houston rap legend and Trill Burgers co-founder Bun B joins Angie Martinez for a conversation on love and marriage. From UGK sensation to family man, Bun B gives insight into what keeps his marriage healthy and happy. Overall, the key to a successful marriage is a partnership with your significant other and to constantly work on yourself. Plus, Bun B tells the story of the home invasion he fell victim to, and the aftermath he and his wife faced from that. He later recounts when he officiated rapper Eve and her husband Maximillion Cooper’s wedding. Bun B talks about his successful business venture in the Trill Burgers establishment and answers a fan’s question about sustaining a healthy marriage. Finally, Angie asks Bun B some In Real Life questions.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
When I found this woman, I was at the bottom.
I had nothing to offer this woman, and this woman
took me in. And it's my duty to take care.
I don't see any other duty. I start there and
then everything else. If I can make sure that's intact,
we can get through anything else like those We've done
it already.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
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Speaker 2 (00:29):
GK the dude.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
I defined the soulful, blues driven sound of Southern rap
and put Texas on the map in a whole new way.
And he's built the wildly successful Trill Burger's brand. He
is a pillar of Southern culture and artists and educator
and entrepreneur, a devoted husband, a father who's carrying his
Texas pride into every chapter of his life.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yes, he is the incredible bump being. Here's my guess to.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Thank you so much. What I'm good. I'm good. It
isn't honored to be interviewed by the media.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Queen sweet, you have an interesting life, man, and we've
had interviews over the years.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
But I feel like it was album mold.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
It was always promo driven.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, I don't feel like we have ever had a moment,
so like, I don't know, to dig a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Let's do what we got today.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Today, we should dig because your life is man, the
chapters of your life are so interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
You seem to be thriving and well, like, are you happy?
And I'm very happy you are?

Speaker 1 (01:27):
I am because a lot of what I had to
do in the past was out of necessity. This is
the part of my life where I actually get to
plan things out, you know what I'm saying, and live
a life by design. I was just kind of going
with the flow for many years, and we would have
to move a certain way just to survive certain situations.
And now it's like I get the house with the

(01:49):
picket fence, I got the wife, the kids, I got
the grandkids, and I got six grandkids.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Now let's take them. Let's go back a little bit too.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Let's do it early early inception of just the moment
when you thought, okay, I might this might take me somewhere.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah. I remember when we when we had released our
first single. We were part of a radio contest in
Houston that they had for independent artists.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
What were you at this time?

Speaker 1 (02:16):
I'm fresh out of high school, working in the store
in the Fleet market, the record store in the Fleet Market,
that the guy who has signed us. Oh, they're very
broke and just trying to make it happen. But I'll
be honest, Angie, I didn't feel like a rapper until
we got that call from the label to come to
New York and signed a deal. But even when that happened,

(02:39):
my relief turned into despair within like five minutes to
side in my deal. Like, we go up to Jive Records,
we sit down, they pull out the seventy page contract.
They show you seven yellow tabs you signed on that.
You don't know what the other sixty plus page. I
got crazy, and but we're thinking we made it because
here's the thing, right, The way they entice you was
that they put the check on the table so you're

(03:00):
looking at the checking the envelope the whole time. So
you're like, yeah, I just want to get that. Let
me hurry up and signing and get that work. And
then we come out to celebrate. We see Keris One
walking down the hallway in the record company. We're like, yo,
what's up. Cares He's like, what's good? What do you like?
We're on the ground Kings. We're from Houston. We came
up here to sign with job. He was like, did

(03:20):
you sign yet? And I was like yeah. He was like, damn, well,
good luck. And in that moment we realized we went
from thinking we had reached the Highland yeah, and realized
like we might have done the worst thing we'd ever done.
And part of that was true. We had to fight
that contract we signed in nineteen ninety two. All the

(03:42):
way up until two thousand and six, we were doing revisions,
amendments and all of that.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
It's crazy to people, probably now, especially young people in
the business. They old people like you so much because
all the mistakes everybody made, even about business when we
were young coming up, people didn't even we didn't.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
This was a new business. We even knew how to
navigate the work.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
I wanted to even know what my publishing was like
realistically until about maybe signing in ninety two, probably finding
out in like maybe early two thousand and two. So
a lot of my career was not really about any
financial success because we never got to check from that
record company, know never about financial stuff. It was about

(04:22):
surviving everything that they put in front of us and
hoping that eventually, once we got past all of that bullshit,
we would be a profitable group. You know. The people
took care of us for many years. We would tour
a lot. We would tour a lot because that's where
pretty much our revenue was coming from. If it wasn't
coming from that, we'd have to do other side things
to bring money in, and we were trying to get

(04:44):
away from as much of that as possible.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
You know. So we eventually got to where we wanted to,
but Pimp passed shortly after. So I felt like he
achieved everything he wanted to achieve, but he never got
to really enjoy. But take keep in mind, I don't
know many people that lived like he lived like Pim
died respected respectfully at a young age for a human being.

(05:08):
He wasn't very old. But I would argue that the
life Pims lived in that short time, I could live
twice as long as that. And probably yeah, no, not
at all. The audacity that that man had for everything.
And I say audacity in a great way because there

(05:30):
were a lot of things that we achieved only because
we didn't believe that what people told us about not
being able to achieve, because we were from a very
small town. So to believe that he could come out
of that kind of environment and actually become impactful and
successful in the music industry at that time was really
unheard of. But I didn't think we could do it,

(05:52):
but I believe he could do it, so I put
my belief in him. He believed that I could be
impactful in helping him get from A to B. And
there was a lot of us around at the time,
but at the end of the day, it ended up
being just me and him, and it took a while
and we went through a lot of shit to get there,
but we eventually got where we wanted to go.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
I know that you credit to Pimp for like letting
you see that your wife was the person for you.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Absolutely he was. I didn't. I didn't pimping out with
different people. We live different lives. Pimp loved the attention
of women. I'm not saying I didn't, but I really
wanted to be who I needed to be for her,
and Pimp always loved that I put my wife first.
You know what I'm saying. I would always everywhere we

(06:41):
go to this day, typically where I performed, my wife's there.
You know what I'm saying we've been doing that basically
since we've been together, before we got married, because I
don't I don't like being away from her, Like right now,
my wife is looking for things and I'm not home
the keys. Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, we.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Talked about that moment A big pimp and at uh
you know you from that lifestyle. I just wonder what
that pivot is like. Was it her who made that
pivot in you? Or would you as a man, making
that pivot of like wanting something else in your life?

Speaker 1 (07:12):
No, No, all these things come from my wife. I'm
very like focused. I have tunnel vision, so I really
only see what's directly in front of me, my wife.
That's why I bring my wife everywhere, because my wife
understands nuance. My wife understands how to read a room.
So I may go in a meeting to meet with
two people, but there's six people in the room. So
while I'm talking to the two I came to engage with,

(07:32):
my wife is watching the body language of other people
in the room. My wife recommends artists to collaborate with
artists to perform with all of these type of things,
and I give her. I give her that space to
do that because I'm very logic minded, like two plus
two has to equal four. Right. She's common sense kind
of a thing. She's like, you know, you can't do

(07:53):
that because that's just you can't do that, like that
type of right.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
And so you guys are like an old school couple,
old school.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
And it works like it works. I have to a lot.
There's a lot of times where I have to sit back,
be quiet, take her advice because in certain situations, she's
more informed than I am, you know what I'm saying.
But that doesn't make me any less than the man
in the house. I'm still allowed to be the man.
But every now and then my wife will encourage me.
My wife will give me advice, or my wife will
see a situation clearer than I can, you know what

(08:22):
I'm saying. And it took me a while as a
self made man to allow other people to have a
say in what I do. Right, And I was like, okay, well,
let's try your way. I remember the first time, let's
try your way.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Are dating at the time, was she away? She was
a wife, she's already your wife and you're still testing her.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yes, yeah, yeah. I was just like, I just don't
I didn't understand what her perspective came from. And she
was like, I'm a consumer, I'm a woman. We're the
ones that buy all the music. We're the ones that
decide what's a hit record. You haven't done a song
about this, you haven't worked with this person. It's not
going to be what people expect from you. I have

(09:02):
to be because I always want to push the ledge right.
I want to try something different to go first. She's like, no,
you stay right here where you are. Ye, be comfortable
right here and give these people what you've always given them.
Don't overthink it.

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Speaker 2 (09:48):
Terms apply. That takes time, that takes trust.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
But that's what I love about it is the fact that
if she thinks it's right and I'm wrong, She's not
gonna stop. She's going to keep being like I don't know,
I really think to the point where you need to
do this. I mean, it's been amazing, you know, to
have a partner.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
What is the key to that?

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Because a big key of this podcast I try to
like we talk to people about their lives and like
and I try to give people lessons that they could
use in their own lives. So when hearing you and
hearing the way that you found the partner, created a
life with her, trust her too with to make decisions
in your career, what do you think it was about

(10:26):
either your decision making or her decision making that allowed
you to kind of form this type of partnership.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
You know how they talk about girls mature bassetting boys, Yeah,
that definitely exists in my relationship. I was still very
young minded and a lot of things, and my approach
was my way or no way for a while, and they.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Won't let you get away with that, and she.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Would make it known that she didn't agree with certain things.
But if that's how I felt, I had to deal
with it. She let me do that. But after a
while it was just like, look, I don't think you
need to do this this way. I really think you
should do it. Try something a little different. It's not
going to hurt you. And I was like, all right,
I'll give it a shot. And it worked. Then I
was like, okay, what else do you think you know?

(11:10):
She would give me advice and for me about certain
things as I progressed, and everything led itself to better
in our situation because there were things that she was
taking into consideration in certain times that I really didn't
think it through in that way.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
In business and work, Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
And she was right. She was right from I always
said that if I'm wrong and she's right, it works
a lot easier in my house than if she's wrong
and I'm right.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
You know what I'm saying, It's a.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Lot easier for me to just try it her way
and if not, we can go back to my way.
But eight times out of ten, her way is actually
going to work. So I just stopped fighting against it,
and I was like what you think, what do you think,
how do you think we should do it? And she'd
give us some thoughts, she'd give her input and we
give it a shot, and it would work. It would
really work. My wife's been this is.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Great advice for men to take. Just do what your
wife wants to do. At the end of it, it's
a lot easier.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
It's a lot easier to maintain that stuff. So I've
I've been really blessed with a great partner to go
through life with. I couldn't imagine going through this life
that I've lived without her, and I hope I never
have to.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah, what if you had to change about yourself to
be that type of hunt quiet?

Speaker 1 (12:16):
I had to be quiet. I had to literally just
shut up, let the woman say what she said, get
her full thought out, and at least take it into consideration,
because in the middle of her telling me what she
would think I should do, I would start arguing just
on general principle because for many years I felt like,
you're not a rapper, you don't do these things, you

(12:36):
don't understand this. And then she would be like, yeah,
but you know, when we went to this meeting and
you was talking to this dude, every time you said something,
this guy would tap that guy and write something down.
And you're not seeing none of that because your tunnel vision.
You're looking only at the people you need to look at.
I'm looking at everybody else's body. Lange. Wow, and that
was something you're like, I love her. I didn't know

(12:58):
that was something you could do. I thought your attention
should be focused on who you're talking to and all
of that. But it's been surprising the kind of things
that she's been able to pick up in these rooms
and we've been able to utilize in these negotiations to
further where we're trying to go. She's been a she's
been a god sending to me. My wife has really
been a godsend to me. You know what I'm saying.
I try to make sure that I'm living up to

(13:18):
my part of the deal because she's locked in, She's
where she needs to be. Anytime I need her input
on anything, She's exactly where she needs to be for that.
So I'm trying to make sure that I'm where I
need to be for her as much as possible.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
And you said that the key to that is mostly
shutting up.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Just shutting up. And listening and quite frankly, doing most
of what she tells me to do and and it
typically works out.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Is this advice you'd give like young men.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Young married men, Yes, I would, but it depends on
what they're marrying for, because people nowadays married for different things.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Okay, you tell me about that.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Well, I mean, most most people are looking for women
that everyone wants. They're on social media that looking at
how many follows, likes and all of that, and they
want to be with a woman that everybody wants. But
what is that about? I think I think that I
think it works both ways. I think men women want
to be with a man that women want because he's

(14:12):
a private provider, he's a good looker, he's got all
these things. Same thing with men. Men want a woman
that everybody wants to be with. But the reality about
those things is that everyone has a ceiling and if
they're looking for a certain thing from someone, once you
hit your ceiling and you're not what they want, they're
going to continue to move on. And we have a

(14:35):
lot of I will say this, I will say this
in the entertainment culture, we have a lot of people
that want what they believe other people have, So you'll
have a dude that's looking at this girl that gets
flown everywhere and she gets purses and she gets dressed
and all this type of stuff and all these things,
and you're like, I want a woman like that. I

(14:55):
want a woman. But you got to be able to
afford a woman like that. You got to be able
to pay for those things like that. And you don't
know if that's what she wants. She may want more
than that. Most women want to be provided for, but
they also want to be provided for by a man
that they want to be with. Right, some people don't
need that necessarity. I just need what they can afford

(15:16):
to give me. That's men and women. I'm not picking yourself,
you know what I'm saying. So you got to be
very clear about what the fuck you want before you
get out here. Choose the motherfucker that becomes a problem,
because then you'll just be like, well, I want to
be at the same level of fame that this guy has.
He's fucking her, I should be at least fucking her
somebody close to her. And the same thing for women,

(15:36):
women like I want a certain quality of life. This
dude looks like he tricks off and buys all these
persons and takes women everywhere. I want that life too,
you know what I'm saying, But there are things that
come with that. You know what I'm saying. I was
very lucky that I found somebody that wanted what I
wanted without compromising each other.

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Speaker 1 (17:30):
Right, like, we're in this together. I'm not gonna make
any moves that belittle you just to get us further,
or vice versa. Like if we're not enough to get
where we're trying to go, then we're gonna have to wait.
We're gonna have to wait, figure it out and try
another bath.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
What was the thing you wanted?

Speaker 1 (17:47):
I wanted the white house with the pick of fence outside.
You know what I'm saying. I want a security Like
all my money. I didn't make any money for the
record company. Drive Record still to this day has never
paid us more than in advance for the next project. Right,
But it was about making sure that my family could
consistently have what they needed. I would try different things,

(18:13):
some work, some didn't. Then my wife would offer some advice,
like maybe we should instead of focusing on it. I
know you think that's probably what's gonna cash out, but
I don't. I think you should try this. It will
take a little longer, but it's this little money is guaranteed,
and we can work with it and build it up
to something else. You got to be open to that,
like the wife has to be open to her husband's

(18:34):
dreams and the husband has to be open to his
wife dreams or else you're going to have a problem
in the house.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Yeah, and then how can you have a future if
you're you're gonna be stuck in that moment, chasing whatever
the shots are.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Now, my thing is, if I don't think it's for you,
I can voice that, right, I can express that. If
it's something that you still think you want to do, Yeah,
then I have to look at how could this potentially
compromise the family? Right? This is how my wife will
look at what I want to do, and vice versa.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
And really, like a partnership, really it really.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Is marriages and partnerships. Like there's no a successful marriage
doesn't run one way, doesn't It has to go two ways?
You know what I'm saying. You have to be there
for them, they have to be there for you. You
have to be willing to hear them tell you you're wrong,
and vice versa. And then not go want to sleep
on the sofa or anything like that, Like we don't
do that, Like we don't go to No, No, we

(19:26):
don't do that. We got to talk this shit out,
and sometimes we're up very late talking this.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
So that's a rule you have.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, because if you go to sleep with it, you
wake up with it. Are you automatically on the wrong
side of the bed, You're not open to things the
next day. In my opinion, at least go to bed
a green to disagree, not try not to be mad
and be like, well, I just can't see it today.
Let's let's try another day.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
I've heard that rule.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
I don't know anybody that actually has all the time.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Well again, all the time. It don't work because we're
human beings, right, And sometimes somebody's like, no, it's got
to be like this, And sometimes you just gotta let
that sit. Like if you're arguing back that on a Monday,
we'll come back to it on Thursday. You know what
I'm saying, Like, we don't need to wake up focus
concentrating on that unless it's something super pertinent. Let's let
that shit breathe, Let that bitch breathe for a little while.

(20:11):
You calm down, I calm down. You might come to
some realization or I may come to some realization, but typically, no,
we need to address this shit now. We need to
talk about my wife. Well, my wife has an issue
with me. My wife doesn't talk to me about it
until it's bedtime, like as soon as I get in
bed and get comfortable or whatever. That's what she likes.
So about today and then, and that's where we are,

(20:34):
you know what I'm saying, Because it's something that she
doesn't want to go to bed thinking about or worrying over.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
She wants to put it to bed literally literally literally
put it to bed.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
I love that, And that wasn't my idea. That wasn't
my idea. That was her idea. But I'm glad that
that it's been instituted in our marriage.

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Right the personally it was the trial was pushed back
for several years and then finally came up and he
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Speaker 1 (22:08):
It is deeper because when this happened, like my wife,
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to the public, so I was like every time the
front door would go, I would answer the door. This
particular day, I was about to leave to go to
the grocery doore. I said, no, hold up, let me
go use the bathroom right quick. And while I was

(22:29):
in the bathroom, it happened. And I can hear the
tone of my wife's voice, and I'm realizing something is
very wrong because my wife is scared, and my wife
does not live a life of fear. I protect my
wife know she's going to be protected, so she doesn't
walk around with that. She doesn't use that tone in
her voice. So I could he hear her saying, just

(22:50):
take the car, just take the car. And I'm like,
my car's paid for at the end of somebody in
my house now. For years, for years I had been
waiting for someone. I knew it was because of my life,
where the way I move and you know, where I
am at in the community. I felt like somebody at
some point might try it. And it wasn't until that

(23:12):
day where it actually happened, and so I ran out
the bathroom I went got my gun. But what I
didn't know during that moment that whole time was my
wife was trying to stall him out so I could
get to the gun to come down and protect her.
And the gun was the gun was literally on her forehead,
like the muzzle was on her forehead that whole time.

(23:34):
And her rationale in that moment was if I die,
I know, one you're going to kill him, and then two,
you're going to make sure this family is okay. And
so she had to come to terms with dying in
that moment and what this family would be after that.
But she was secured for her telling me she was

(23:55):
secured and knowing that one I was definitely going to
come down and do something in that moment. She knows
that's going to happen regardless. But should something happened to
her before I can get there to save her, at
least she knows her husband will take care of this family.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
How does she know that?

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Like?

Speaker 2 (24:11):
What is is?

Speaker 3 (24:12):
I mean, I guess just the history that you guys have. Yeah, No,
we like you being a protector.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yes, imagine we've had that before, you know, not not
at the home, but we've had incidents before where I've
had to stand in and be like, you know, what does.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
That mean to you as a man, Because it's.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Top, it's top. Provision is number one for sure, like
providing for your family is number one. Now, everybody's not
going to provide the same way. Right. Some people are
working class, some people have other unemployment that all befores
them more money. But at the very least they should
have a roof over their head, and the bills, the delights,

(24:48):
the water, and all that shit should be taken care of.
That's provision protection. There is no It's one hundred percent,
all day, every day, at your worst, whatever it is,
it's one hundred percent. I'm the one that's supposed to
stand in front of the gun, right. That's the job
I took, is to stand any threat to my family.
I have to see it and meet it first. That's

(25:11):
the way I've tried to live this life. And the
fact that she had to meet that threat first, but
had already come to terms with the worst case scenario
of that situation and found strength in the idea that
her husband would do what a husband should do in
that moment. But she also said that she felt like
a glow around her in that moment to where like

(25:34):
this is going to be okay one way or another.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Wow, you know that she's protected.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yes, Wow, I can't imagine that moment for you, that
that fear because it's just fear of what's happening. But
then it's also, I don't want to say burden the
responsibility I was.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
I was prepared and the protector. I was prepared for
all of that. None of that was a problem. My
only issue was can I get to her before something
happened to her? That's all I cared about. Can I
get to her in time because I'm coming. Because the
guy was like, who's at upstairs, She's like, that's my husband.
She was like, you better tell him. If he come
down here, I'm gonna kill you. You know what I'm saying.
And she was like, Bun, don't come downstairs. I'm coming.

(26:14):
Her fear was that we get into a shootout where
she's in the middle. I'm upstairs, he's downstairs, and she
gets hit. In the situation when she started telling him
don't come downstairs, she said she said, Bun, don't come.
He told her telling him don't come, she said, Bun,
don't come downstairs. When she called when she said bun

(26:35):
because he had a mask on the whole time. She said,
his eyes got big because there's only one Bun, right.
So he realized where he was that in that moment,
and so he started asking for the keys to the car.
Give me the keys to the car. So he would
he went out, she'd let the door up, and then
she would put it back down, right, And she did
that twice, and he said, put that mother. He pointed

(26:57):
the gun at her again, like, put that motherfucker up
and leave. And so by this time, why was she
doing that to try to stall him out so I
could get to him. The whole time she's like, this
motherfucker came in our house. I know what he's going
to get. I want him to get to this man.
So by that time she was coming back in the house.
I was coming down the stairs and she's like, don't

(27:18):
go outside. He's got a gun. Don't go outside. I'm like,
I'm finna go outside. I'm going to meet this guy
where he is. And the confrontation happened in the garage.
Shot him in the well. I shot into the car
because he was in the car, but he couldn't figure
out how to start it. Because I just bought her
like a new Audi, and the newer audis the ignition is,
the gearshift is here, and the ignition is to the right.

(27:40):
So he's all up here looking how to start. He's
so he never got the car started. So when I
got in the garage, he was still in the car.
So I put five shots in the car. I started
walking to it to see if I hit him. I
heard a pop. I realized that's him shooting back at me.
I put five more in the car. I put four
more shots in the car. He jumped out of the
car and please don't kill me now. On my way

(28:02):
down the stairs, I cocked the gun to make sure
it was loaded. That took one shell out. So the
eleven shots that I put in the car, the twelfth
bullet was the one that I cocked out. So when
I put the gun in his head, it didn't go out.
There was no bullets left.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
You were prepared to do that.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
No, I was. I have to say, yeah, I don't.
I didn't want to have to kill anybody. But nobody's
going to kill us, you know what I'm saying. And
you had already done far worse than anything anyone had
ever done to my wife at that point. So I
really wanted to do something to that man, but I couldn't.
I couldn't kill him. So I hit him a couple
of times with the pistol. I believe his nose broke.

(28:37):
And then my wife because she heard the gunshots. And
my wife came in screaming, and I looked back at her,
and he burnt. He jumped out and jumped up and
ran out. Now I'm half naked because I was in
the bathroom, so I'm winny to pool. I'm like top on,
I'm bottomless at this point, So I ran back in
the house. My gun was empty, I got her gun,

(28:58):
put on some pants, got in the car. Where I live,
there's only one way to go when you leave. You
can either go out this way, turn right, or turn left.
He's on foot, so I go. I turned right, he's
not there. I turn left. I coun see him running
down the street, so I go down there, and my
first mind is to run him over, like just kill
him right there.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
When you tell that story, does it take you does
it take you right back there? Is it like hard
to talk about?

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Not at all?

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Really, not at all? Wow?

Speaker 1 (29:23):
For me, for my wife, is excruciating for her to
talk about it and deal with it, because quite frankly,
she dealt with the majority of the threat. And my
wife had been dealing with a level of anxiety for
a while and we had just gotten rid of it,
like no medication everything. She had just gotten back where
she needed to be, I should say. And this not
only knocked her back and knocked her back further. So

(29:45):
we were literally.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
She was dealing with some anxiety before the inside, yes.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Got so not only did we go back to where
we had to start with her initial anxiety, now there's
this on top of it. So it pushed her back
further than she had ever been. How could it not
for that that type of thing. So, you know, it
took a while for her to work herself through that
and get out of it in the right way, you know,
because we tend to just go to church and you know,

(30:09):
and smoke a cigarette and we'll be fine, type of thing.
But this took a little bit more hard work for her,
and I'm glad she did the work. I supported her
through it, and we're just starting to get to a
place where the anxiety isn't as big of a situation
as it was before, and she, for all intents and purposes,
she's the wife I've always known. Now she wasn't for

(30:32):
a while, and that took some time for us to
deal with it. But we had to give her a
grace to work through.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
That was that fear. She was sitting in fear or
it was.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Very hard for her. I'll tell you this. When it
happened at nighttime, well let's say it happened in like
the late afternoon. It went into nighttime, and we slept
in that house that night. But she was still obviously
in the state of shock from the whole thing. Because
the next morning when she woke up, and because we

(31:00):
lived in the three story townhouse at that time, we
slept on the third floor, and so she went to
the kitchen, which is on the second floor, to get something,
and then she realized she needed something from the first floor.
And once she went and looked at that stairway and
saw the bottom of those stairs, it was an immediate trigger.
It was a trigger, and literally she came back upstairs.

(31:20):
She was very, very upset about it, and I realized
in that moment we got to move. Now we had
our townhouse which was for our home, and we had
another apartment like closer in the city, so we just
moved into that apartment. We had to literally walk her
out with her eyes covered because she couldn't look at
that stairwell anymore, and her mom and I did most
of the packing and everything for her. Again, we moved

(31:43):
into new space. We had to find a completing new
home after that, and it just took her a while
to get out of it, you know. So we found
a house with a nice big park across the street
so we could go out, take walks and just enjoy.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Well, what about you as a husband, Like, so, you're
you're the protector in that moment, but then it doesn't
It isn't just that moment. It's like you have to
also protect her through the trauma that came after.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
And so how do you do that?

Speaker 3 (32:13):
How do you support your wife or your partner in
the time of what she's dealing with.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
You don't even less you have to, because you can't
get it.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
There's no gun, no gun, there's no level.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Of anything that can take her out of that initial moment, right,
and the things that someone that goes through your mind
when you think you're about to die of a violent death,
There's a lot of things that she had to work
her way through, and so I just wanted to give
her her space. That was the main thing, because there
are going to be certain moments that I couldn't console

(32:46):
her through these things. All I could do is maybe
hold her hand or something. But we had a back
porch with a big backyard, so she spent a lot
of time out there, just you know, trying to process
this type of stuff. But we got her the help
that she needed to kind of get through it. And
then as soon as we get through it and get
in the house, COVID comes and now we're stuck inside.
But my wife and I have such a great relationship

(33:08):
that we didn't really care about being around anybody else.
We didn't like the fact that our family couldn't come
and see us, right because my son and his wife
had a baby during COVID and they both caught COVID
in the hospital, so we had to go and get
the baby from a newborn for like the first two weeks.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
And I think that moment really reprioritized everything in the
way that you don't you don't continue to think about yourself,
you think about the children. You know what for us,
it was about making sure that doesn't have it again,
making sure we're protected, getting her gun lessons and different

(33:50):
things like that, right and so, but when the baby came,
we realized that it's not about us right now, We've
got to protect this baby because we had been so
concerned about protecting ourselves and now we have to protect
this baby from an invisible threat, catching COVID. Right and
so it took two weeks for the parents to get

(34:10):
clean and clear and we could bring the baby back.
But it also reminded us of you know, having this
little baby, you know that we're responsible for and we're
completely Is it a.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
Crazy how God gives you what you need even if
it just seems weird and left?

Speaker 1 (34:26):
That baby changed everything. I will say that baby, she's
my youngest grandchild, Zoe, and she changed everything.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
I wonder, I don't know how to frame this question.
It was like, I find that men in relationships sometimes
the provider the protector is the easier thing for men
to easier to like, Okay, this is what I do.
I gotta make the money, I gotta do this, I
gotta uh. The emotional part of the support, I think

(34:57):
is challenging for someone.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
I don't think enough men talk about the pressure they
find themselves under once they take on a family. The
idea of providing the essentials is one thing, but then
kids get sick, cars get in recks, right.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Parents, you know, all.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
These other life gets in the way, is what I
like to say. Life will eventually get in the way.
Even if you have the majority of this thing kind
of figured out, life will still get in the way.
And it's the it's these other factors that come into
play that really define how your households together. Because I
can go out and try to find a job that
will pay all of the bills, take care of the

(35:40):
car if she wants something, if we need to go somewhere,
do that. But there's things that money doesn't really give
you an out for, you know what I'm saying, And
then we just have to kind of band together as
a unit to get through it. Because if you're a
billionaire and you're on the highway and you have a
flat tire, if if you're not, if you're like, I'll

(36:03):
tell you a story. I do this thing called gumball
three thousand every year, and.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Oh you do gumball. That's the car thieves.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
I did. I married them.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
You married them? I had her on the pod. She's
so happy.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
She they fell in love.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
We got to get back to the Gunboll story.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
But tell me that, well, the gunball repences. We were
we were driving from La to Vegas and that year
Lance Hamilton, the racer, that fund racer, was there. He
was in a very expensive car. And these Bugattis and
these Puganis and all of these super cars, they operate

(36:42):
almost like an airplane engine in the way that if
I was sold that if you get into Bugatti with
a full tank and you put foot all the way down,
your car will be on e in like ten minutes. Wow.
And so this guy was out in the middle of
the open and thought he'd open it up and ran
out of gas. Where him being Lewis Hamilton, I said, Lansam, sorry,

(37:04):
Lewis Hamilton. Doesn't help him. His money doesn't help him.
He needs a friend. He needs someone, a person to
come and stop and help him, you know. And someone did. Yeah. No,
at that point it doesn't matter. I don't care who comes.
I just need help. So we do.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
I'm all over the place. But did you go to
Gumble regularly.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
Yeah, this is my first year not doing it in several years,
but I've done I started in two thousand and ten
and I've probably done it twelve times.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Oh the wedding though, tell me about that. We had
Eve on the pod. So she seems really happy, She's
very happy.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Could you tell that in that moment of bringing two
people together before?

Speaker 2 (37:40):
And how is that your job? How did that even happen?

Speaker 1 (37:42):
So we even I started doing the rally, the Gumball
three thousand rally the same year got it. She didn't
know anyone. I didn't know anyone but we and we
had never met, but we were familiar with who each
other was. So we were like, I don't know what's
gonna happen, We're gonna stay close.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
You're my friend.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yes. At the same time, the guy that owns Gumball
was going through a divorce during that race. And I
remember the first night because he always escorts the talent,
like whoever's performing, whoever's the celebrity, he escorts them to
the parties. That night he escorted everybody, including Eve. The
second night he only brought Eve. And then the third

(38:22):
night you could just see something was happening with these
people after the rally, and I don't want to tell
all their business. But after the rally, he invited her
for a date to come to London to meet him
and go on a date. And she went and she
never left. She never left. He loves every single part
of her. And I'll tell you how much. When I

(38:45):
knew he loved her, he called me one day, this
is before he asked me to do the wedding. He
called me, said, Bun, I've got a problem. I said,
talk to him. He was like, I touched Eve's hair
last night and she was not excited about that. He like,
He's like, is that a thing? I said, that is
absolutely a thing. Yes, like black woman's hair. Once it's done,

(39:06):
you leave it. You leave it, you don't touch it,
you don't caress it, you don't run your fingers through it.
It's not that kind of situation. And he was like,
good to know, good to know. But he wanted to
make sure that he wasn't doing anything that would mess
this up. He really really wanted to do this right.
And then I remember we were in this is the

(39:28):
same time we were in Las Vegas. He called. He says,
but I need you to go somewhere with me. Can
you come with me? I was like, yeah, sure, let's go.
And so we get in the cab and I'm like,
where are we going? He's like, we're just taking a ride.
I was like, so even and are getting married? He says,
I propose. She accepted. We're getting married, but the wedding,
the actual ceremony, the wedding has to be done legally

(39:50):
in London or it won't be recognized, he says. But
I want to marry her at the end of the
rally in Ibitha, he says, And so we put so.
So the legal one is the one we're doing at home,
so this one is more like ceremonial kind of thing.
So we were like, who should marry us? So I
wrote a list of names. She wrote a list of names,

(40:11):
and you're the only name that was on both lists.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
WHOA.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
And they were like, we're going to do it next
year on the next rally, and we would love for
you to do the wedding. I had to get ordained.
So even though it didn't mean anything right because legally
wouldn't even be recognized back home, but I wanted to
do seriously, I took it very seriously. I bought clothes
that I would never wear before. I bought like this linen,

(40:36):
this very long linen set. I didn't want to put
on a suit because it was a very relaxed ceremony,
So I dressed what I thought a pastor would wear
at a beach wedding, right kind of a thing. And
we had paparazzi on boats shooting from the ocean. It
was It was amazing. But they were only at the wedding,
maybe fifteen people. It was his children and her family.

(40:56):
Her grandmother came and her grandmother had never been on
a plane before, and they flew her all the way
to Ibitha. Just amazing. It was a beautiful ceremony. His
children got up and they were talking about how happy
they were that their dad was happy, and they have her.
She braided there. They never had their hair braided. Wow,
she braided their hair and played with it in their

(41:17):
room with the dolls and everything. And they love her.
They call her mom.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Why do you think they wanted you to do it?
What was the connection?

Speaker 1 (41:30):
I don't know. I think I was the only one
that they were Like a lot of people do the
rally right, A lot of people pay to do the rally,
but certain people he likes to have on the rally
because he actually likes them as friends, like they're actually
friends when they're not rallying. And so I became one
of those people. And I mean, I just no one

(41:50):
else that E would know more on the rally than me.
And as far as getting married on the rally, that
least common denominator between them was me, and I was
I couldn't believe. I couldn't believe they it really, it
really was to marry them because I knew these people
were in love. I wanted to be a part of
this marriage, you know what I'm saying, So them asking

(42:11):
me to do it cemented my place in their family.
And I just I love how they love on each other.
I love how when she's got concerts, he goes, when
he's got business, she goes. Like they are inseparable as
much as they possibly can be. The only time I
ever saw them separate was when their child was born,

(42:32):
and for the first year, they didn't think it was
okay for the wife for the baby to come on
the rally because it's it's a lot to do this.
But from two on up, he's been there. He's from
two on up.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
He's been there.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Oh he's adorable, he's and oh you should see how
he has a big brother, Cash and Cash loves because
everyone else's girls. So it's Cash and three other girls
for years. And now he has a brother and he
loves being a big brother. He lives in New York.
Now to you to invest in this family, I do

(43:06):
because I feel like I'm a part of it. I
feel like I'm a part of bringing this family together.
But I love to watch them in real time, like
at home online I see him and her and the
boy and maybe the girls. Or for the holidays, they
all go out to the family. The family has a
nice house in the English countryside, and they'll go out
there and see the parents. And I just love being

(43:28):
a part of bringing these two worlds together in a
very genuine and authentic way because these people separately had
everything they needed in life except a partner, and now
they both found their partner, and now they're building this
family together. I love it for.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
You're really like you believe in love.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yeah, I know what love can do to a person.
I know what a lack of love can do to
a person as well. So I'm always for love, like,
just go for it, try it, you know what I'm saying,
See if it works, because a relationship built around love
is so fulfilling and it's so satisfying because when you

(44:08):
don't have everything else that the world says you should have,
if you have a person that loves you and that
you love back, you can build anything from that. I've
seen it.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
No wonder they wanted you to do the ceremony.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
I do believe in love do I do believe in
love because I've been a relationships where I thought I
was in love and I realized I wasn't. I've been
a relationships where I thought people loved me and they didn't.
But when I found this woman, I was at the bottom.
I had nothing to offer this woman, and this woman
took me in. And it's my duty to take care
of I don't see any other duty. I start there

(44:41):
and then everything else. If I can make sure that's intact,
we can get through anything else life throws at us.
We've done it already.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
I love how you believe in love. Everybody believes in love,
but people get it wrong.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
You have to be in love with the worst of
a person you have to be willing to see a
person at their worst and be like bad, I sing
worse than that, I've seen worse than that, you know
what I'm saying, Like I've been in Me and my
wife do not get along all the time, and most
of our arguments are in tone. If she thinks I
talk louder than I should have, that in itself will

(45:17):
become a problem. Yeah, vice versa, Like what cam you?
You really believe you needed to tell me that that way?
Kind of a thing. But in spite of that, in
spite of seeing me at my worst, my wife still
loves me, and I still love her in spite of everything,
you know what I'm saying. Obviously she's had a lot
more to do with me than me with her. But yeah,

(45:40):
love is the only thing that gets us through everything
that we've been through as a family. It's the single
most important thing.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Message. I feel like that's a thing, Like we're going
to need that.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
As a thing. You gotta work to that though, Like you,
you don't meet someone and fall in love and immediately
get rid of all your bad habits. You've got to
constantly work at yourself to make sure that those.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
Things preach that go ahead.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Things don't consistently come up in the relationship because it'll
drive a wedge. Especially if it's something that you can
work on, you just choose not to. That's going to
be a problem. And when your partner has something that
they need to work on, once they start working on it,
give them encouragement, keep them lifted up. You know what
I'm saying, Work with them. If somebody needs to get

(46:24):
in shape, if you're if one person in shape, the
other one is in shape, we still both got to
go to the gym. We still both got to go
to the gym.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
It's a real partnership.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Absolutely. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Because cold school, like grandparent couples.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
This is all of this seems like wisdom. This is
just from sucking up a lot as a younger man
and growing up and living through these experiences and bettering
myself because of these things. That's where I'm at now.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
All right, we got listen.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Love is going to be the theme of this conversation,
but we do have to talk about some of the
real quickly, the reinventions and the evolutions with what's happening. Well,
we'll get to Black Cowboy too, which I want to
talk to you about that too, but also just Trillburger.
First of all, I feel like every cool golf event
that I go to there is a Trillburger spot, and
every time I get to it, it's I don't get

(47:12):
one because they're gone.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
I feel like, I don't know. It's like a hot commodity.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
And we try to bring every We try to bring
every tournament or every event we do enough food. We
try to bring enough food. But every event that we do,
we were gonna be like, Okay, who's golfing? How many
people are golfing? And we try to set aside two
burgers for each golfer.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Anyone deside for me.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
But it's just been beautiful to try to chase this thing.
I find myself constantly chasing this thing. And the reason
I chase it is because it keeps growing. It's getting
very hard for us to keep our hands wrapped around
this thing because it's dying to grow. It is dying
to grow and being in more cities and more communities
and have more customers come in. But we have to

(47:53):
keep it manageable for us. We get approached. I get
approach every week with people wanting to buy franchise. I've
been offered millions of dollars several times just to be
a part. We're not selling, but just to be a
part of this company. You know, people when we do
when I do the golf tournaments like cal It, most
of the people will be like, man, this is a
good burger. This is a really good burger. I really
like this burger. But those golfers that are also entrepreneurs

(48:16):
and businessmen, they'll be like you got something, like you've
got something? Yeah, yeah. It's like this is are y'all
taking any investment right now? Are y'all taking any partners?
Not right now. I'm not saying we won't eventually, but
right now it's manageable, and right now we're scaling at
a pace that we can control. Congratulations close, but it
takes everything just to keep it contained. But we're at
the space now where we think we can control this

(48:38):
for a while. We we're about to have our third
and fourth door within the next three months, and then
next year we're going to slow down and work on
the culture of the restaurants because we've expanded so quickly
that we've just had to have warm bodies that can cook. Right.
But now we're not just one store. We're not two
stores with four stories. We're going to need it. We
have a regional manager, but we're going to need people

(49:00):
that can lock in on locations and just be you're
that guy for that door.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Yeah, you know what the challenges of any growing business,
I think right right, How does a man with this
level of business and this level of family and this
level of just everything.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
That you have to do? Fine time to do a
high Horse? I don't know you even.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
High Horse worked out because I was already in the
black rodeo space. I'd been performing at the Houston Livestock
Show on Rodeo in Houston for the past four years.
It's a twenty one day event that gets over I
would say two point two million people through those twenty
one days. Every night has a concert in the football stadium,
but the.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Dock's not about that. No, no, no, no, that's your entry point, yes,
got it.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
So me being involved with this rodeo from the black
heritage perspective, it has given me a totally different view
one of what rodeos are, two of what a cowboy is,
and three how contributive Black people have been to this
world for years. Yeah, start doing the deep dives and
realize how bad it was for black cowboys prior to

(50:03):
this time, and that I'm a part of a new
age and a new wave. But we still have to
be still have to be clear about what came before.
And so because of this new awareness, I started to
talk differently about the rodeo. I started to talk differently
about black representation in country Western spaces. And because of that,
I was actually be a part of the documentary.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
That makes sense, I see that. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
So we have a new segment. It is presented by
boost Mobiles called voice Note. So this is where either
listener of a commenter or a friend of the show
sends in a voice note for you, wow, see the
love a story, usually a question, Sometimes people want advice.
These all kinds of different things. Somebody's sent it as
a voice note. Yes, of course he's from Texas.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
I love it yo. Oh my boy, Bob, I got
a question for you, bro, let's go. So I just
got married. A personal players anthem was actually my way
to walkout song. But I'll keep it, bro, I ain't
gonna lie. I used to be a player. Now I'm
trying to walk the straight line and avoid the gun line,

(51:09):
what type of advice would you give me on being
a solid husband and and and then try.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
To do right type shit like, what advice would you
give me?

Speaker 2 (51:17):
No question, he asked the right question to the right guy,
didn't he He didn't even know what our conversation was
gonna be to answered it. The whole podcast.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
By the way, I.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Will just rewind this whole I got specific advice for Will.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Okay, specific advice for Will. Will. I'm gonna need you
in the next I'm gonna need you by the beginning
of the year to get yourself to a place where
you can leave your phone with your wife for the weekend. Mmm,
I'm gonna need you to get to that place.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
How do you get there? Explain that? Break that down?

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Well, you got it. The first thing is you shouldn't
have the numbers in the phone anyway. If you married,
you should have done you should have done this before.
But let's say you don't want to be tempted anymore.
That's not gonna happen. You're gonna be tempted. You're gonna
find women that are prettier than your wife. You're gonna
find women that are built better than your wife. You're
gonna find women that are gonna do whatever you tell

(52:17):
them to do. But they're not gonna protect you. They're
not gonna love you in the way that your wife does.
They're not gonna care for you, they're not gonna know
what you need. They're gonna assume a lot of things.
And basically, what you're gonna have to do is try
to teach and train somebody to love you in the
way that somebody already does. It's not worth it. It's

(52:37):
not worth it. Bro. If you loved enough to marry
her and to give her your last name in front
of all those people, and God Almighty, at least you
could do is keep your phone in your life clean.
That's it. The idea of marrying a woman is saying
to the world, I'm done, I found the one. I
am complete. It won't be perfect, but it'll be perfect

(52:58):
for us. That's it. If you're not there, bro, don't
get married, don't move in like, don't even do none
of that shit, because it's already it's already toxic at
that point, it's already problematic. At that point, take some time.
If you have any women in your life, my brother,
now's the time. Get it. Done, get it done, get

(53:21):
it get erase everything out of that you need to
be done with. And I hope your wife is watching.
I hope your wife is watching because she needs to
do it.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Too, y'all.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
I was gonna say, I wonder she needs to do
it too, because the idea is not just leaving the
phone at home. You should be in a marriage where
y'all can trade phones, right and if somebody calls her
phone for her, you can tell them she has your phone,
and vice versa. That's the test. But you got to
do your part first, will But you chose Clayer's anthem,
so sound like you're on the right way. You're never

(53:50):
gonna again. You're never gonna want to stop being a
player because a lot of people around you are gonna
be single. They're gonna be actively dating, They're gonna be
going on vacation with women, women that can do what
they want, not like you. Because I hope that you
and her building a family at some point. You know,
marriage is a great thing, a wedding is a beautiful thing,
but you need a family. You have a full family,

(54:12):
it'll put life in a perspective a lot better for you,
and you won't have to ask me these questions. But yeah, man,
clean their phone out, And to whoever we'll married, God
bless you from marrying him, clean your phone out too,
because at the beginning of the year, y'all gonna get
some swapping going.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
The fact that he.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Reached out is a good sign because it means he
wants to be a good hub.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Yeah, and he people know I'm known for being a
married man that takes his wife everywhere and that kind
of thing. So I want him to be able to
have that type of marriage. But you've got to have
that level of transparency. You've got to be fully transparent.
She got to have your email passwords. You got to
have your phone password because you're gonna be somewhere with
your wife and her phone going down. She's gonna need

(54:51):
your phone. So if you' hiding something, it's gonna come out. Bro,
nothing stays hidden forever. It's best for you to exercise
these demons now why you can and just get because
what happens is you're not giving all of yourself to
your wife in the first place.

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Right, let's see.

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you bounce.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
One thing I'm no longer apologizing for. One thing I'm
no longer apologizing for is not being a version of
me that you thought could help you. And why I
say that as an entertainer because I don't have a
record company. I don't want a record company. I don't
want artists calling me at three in the morning because
they got kicked out of a hotel for smoking weed.

(56:20):
I don't want artists calling me because they're in a
high speed chase because they got into it with some dudes.
I don't want to have an artist that represents one
color that's prominent in a certain city, then they fall
out with the other color in another city. And now
because this guy's my artist representing that color, I represent
that color. Now I am no longer welcome in the city.

(56:42):
I don't have any gang affiliation or any ties like that.
I don't represent anything. My gang is UGK. I represent
that for life. But those are the type of things
that you have to take into consideration. If you're looking at,
you know, being have a record company signing artist, there's
a lot of things that you have to navigate. I
don't want to have to navigate this stuff.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
It was no longer available for or no longer what
was the question?

Speaker 1 (57:03):
No longer Oh one thing I'm no longer apologized and
apologizing for as not being a version of me that
people expected me. I can only be me, you know
what I'm saying. I can only be who I am.
My job right now is to be authentic and intentional.
So whoever you meet, and that's been the beauty of
being me. I've been very lucky that if you met

(57:25):
me in ninety two and see me again in two
thousand and five, and then see me again in twenty
twenty five, outside of my clothes and my weight and
maybe the drugs I do because I just to smoke
a lot of wet I'll be very honest about that.
But you've met the same person every time. As far
as how I look at life, how I move things

(57:45):
like that, You've you've never had to be like, damn,
what happened to him? I've always been that same person.
And that's and I'm going to be that person whether
or not it benefits me in the moment.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
All Right, Our final question in real life? Bum bye?

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (57:59):
What do you most proud of in your life? It's
really a two part question because it's two questions. I'm
squeezing into one in real life. What are you most
proud of about yourself to this whole journey of life?
And then what do you hope people take away from
your experience?

Speaker 1 (58:15):
I think the one thing I'm most proud of is
that I haven't given a reason to the most important
people in my life to not like me. Like most
of the people that I've been able to count on
in my life, I can still count on because I
haven't done anything that would make them question the choices
that I may or the trust that they have in me.
That for sure. And what's the second part?

Speaker 2 (58:36):
What do you hope people take away from your experience?

Speaker 3 (58:39):
You know, like even this guy who called, or people
who admire your career, maybe you're watched you from afar,
even this legacy that you have, Like, what do you
hope that legacy is?

Speaker 2 (58:51):
What do you hope people take from your life?

Speaker 1 (58:52):
I hope that people try to be a better version
today than they were yesterday and strive to be a
better version of me today tomorrow. That's it, because I've
evolved like a motherfucker, Like I have not been this person.
I've evolved. So I try to do those things as
publicly as possible. When I have, you know, great achievements,
I celebrate that publicly. When I have things that you know,
when I lose people, I have bad things happen. I

(59:15):
tried to share that with people because people would look
at my life of various aspects of my life from
the outside and assume that I've got it made. I've
accomplished so many things. No, I've accomplished a few things,
but those things have been public, and there are things
that other people want to accomplish. So that's why it
gets glorified and lifted up a little bit. It's almost
like it's a beacon to people to be like, see
he did it, you can do it. Do kind of

(59:36):
a thing. But that's fifteen percent of my life. I'm
most proud of the other eighty five percent of my
life that no one else sees, but the people that
I love, and that they're proud of what I do
when I'm off the clock. You know, I remember Will
Smith talking about he wanted to Grammy and then the
first hip hop Grammy, and then he went home and
he showed it to his grandmother. She's like, that's nice.

(59:57):
Go take the trash out of tragedy. That's my wife,
that's my life. I'm not saying that we don't celebrate
achievements and we don't take pride in our accomplishments. But
fifteen percent, get back to the eighty five my got
Get back to the eighty five percent of your duties.
Get that trash taken out. I had to take the
trash out the morning. I'll let it, put it on
the curve.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
I leave you well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
I will tell you the fifteen percent and the eighty
five percent have been really inspiring to hear.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Thank you, thank you. I'm so glad I did this anyway.
We've never had this kind of conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
I'm so grateful for that. Thank you. I feel like
I got to know you in a whole nother truly.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
That's that's the thing. That's the game right now is
to make sure to dispose of any misconceptions, any miscommunication
right or anything that they thought they knew, even if
they liked it about me. I got to be I
got to come clean about these things. I got to
leave everything I've learned, and ye I tell this to everybody.
I got to leave everything I've learned that's helped me
or hurt me in life and get that information out

(01:00:54):
of me to the world before I die. I don't
want to die with game that I didn't give to nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
That's a bar we leave that. We'll leave it right there.
I can't wait to hear the music. I'll watch the documentary, yes,
and I'm gonna Get Me a Trill Trill back.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
The documentary is gonna be cool because they're gonna release
all three episodes at one time. So you know, it's
not like most where you gotta watch one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
This have no patience.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
You're able to sit there and just watch the whole
thing and watch and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
I'm gonna get me a Trill Burker's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
It's perfect holiday watching too. You'll love it. Thank you,
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Bum Be Everybody, Yo, what's up?

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
This is Bumbee rebeuu GK for life, co founder, True
Burgers and Trill Tendants, and you're watching me right now
in real life.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Hey guys, thanks for watching.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Make sure you subscribe, like comments, and check out all
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Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
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