April 19, 2023 • 19 mins
Welcome back to IRL #TakeAways! Join Angie and special guests as they reflect on past episodes, highlights, and takeaways. This week, Angie, producer Brittany, DJ Nyla Symone, and Ashley from Dear Young Queen dive into the Kim Kardashian episode. They discuss Kim's coparenting journey, the feedback from listeners, and Angie's conversation with DJ Nyla about her before-and-after opinion of Kim. Tune in to celebrate Kim's ability to navigate criticism and learn from the feedback.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Edgie Martinez in Real Life podcast. This episode and conversation
is powered by IDU. Say hello, guys, welcome to another
takeaway episode Edge Martinez IRL. I'm so sorry these have
been so backed up, but life has been lifing.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Real life has been real lifing out here. But here
we are.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
So I'm gonna today We're gonna talk about this Kim
Kardashian episode, which obviously there's so many opinions about it.
It's either like, people love Kim, people don't love Kim.
People are passionate about however they feel about Kim and
I first of all, First of all, she was lovely
to us. She opened up her office on a Sunday
(00:43):
after she had been already kind of worked. Oh I
think she took the kids to like Disney or something,
and then after came to do the podcast at her office,
had her whole staff there to cater to us.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Now, I let's see her. By the way, who has
opinions about Kim Kardashian, We're gonna get to them because
what I learned after the episode dropped not the only one.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Okay, So you'll speak to a certain population of the
audience with some of your opinions about Kim also actually
see I Do Young. Queen Brittany's here, our show producer,
and we are talking about some of the takeaways of
the episode. So I just want to get to mine
first before I get to the conversation. Number one, Kim's
co parent parenting journey kind of cracked this interview open,
(01:22):
like right from the beginning, clearly she has was I
don't know if it was the day that week, there
was a lot going on.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
They were in the news a lot that week.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
You know, it's quieted down now since then, but to
take us back to that week, it was a very
noisy Kanye was on socials, and so when we started
talking about co parenting, this this moment happened.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Let's just play it.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I don't want to get emotional.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
No, it's just been a day for me, but it's
been a time.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
You know, it's hard. Shit is like co parenting.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
It's really fun looking hard, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Like and you're not co parent thing with the with
just anyone.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Yeah, with the quietest I had the best dad, and
I had the best memories and the greatest experience. And
that's all I want for my kids as long as
they can have that. That's what I would want for them,
you know. So like if they don't know things that
are being said or what's happening in the world, Like,
(02:30):
why would I ever bring that energy to them? You know,
that's like really heavy, heavy, grown up shit that they're
not ready to like deal with, you know. And when
they are, we'll have those conversations, but like and I'll
be so prepared. But until then, I'll do anything to
(02:50):
like keep their life as normal as possible.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
You know, I've felt her here. You're not a mom yet, Nily, you.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Don't know I'm I felt her here because if you've
ever been in a cold parenting situation and it's regarding
what you love most in your whole life is your children,
it is hard.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
It doesn't matter if you're a billionaire or if you
broke cold parenting with somebody that you do not see
eye to eye with about the thing that you love
most in the world, your children, is hard. And so
when she just opened up that way, I felt her.
I understood. I can't imagine cold parenting with Kanye how challenging.
That's a different and so publicly and everything they do
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being scrutinized all the time. But the interesting thing about
that is as much as she was like she had
that moment, she kind of pulled herself together after that.
For the interview, that moment to me was more. It
told more about her and her relationship with her dad.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
Especially I didn't know that they just went the Disney
She probably, you know, you want to do that as
a family, you know, the kids.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
She talks about like wanting to protect her kids because
of the experience that she had. And the one thing
about that family, the way they regard Robert Kardashi and
their father, they all just like worship him, you know,
the father figure in that family was so strong that
that's what really was the root of her being upset there,
not just the cold parenting journey, but like she wants
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her kids to have the experience that she had with
the dad that she had. So I just thought that
that moment was interesting and then led to her talking about,
you know, the influence on her life from her dad,
her wanting to be an attorney. I didn't realize how
many hours she was putting in to become an attorney.
That was interesting for me to hear, and then her purpose.
I really want to play her reason and her end
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goal of what she wants to accomplish when this.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
When she gets her law degree.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I hope that I can open up a firm that
hires formally incarcerated people. I think they know the laws
so well. A lot of the people inside that have
had to fight for their lives with no attorney, no
access to attorneys, no good sometimes not a good attorney.
So I really have a lot of faith and trust
that I can open up a firm that just like
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hires some really smart people that just work on getting
people out. This is like a huge reason why I
also don't cancel people. Everyone cancels everybody, but everyone cancels
these people that like make a bad choice, a horrible choice,
a really crazy choice sometimes. But then I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I think that redemption for I think anybody is like.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I believe in redemption absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I mean, that's that's dope. That is say what you
want about Cameo a like or she's that like?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
That to me is dope. The criminal justice system in
this country is I mean, along with many other things
with this country. But let's not get started there. You know,
that's admirable to me, the work that she's doing in
that space. But you know, so we dropped the episode,
all that stuff came out, and then there was all
this feedback I wasn't used to. It's very noisy because
(06:11):
people have a lot of opinions. Even you, Nila, when
I told you about we were gonna interview Kim, what
did you say?
Speaker 7 (06:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (06:17):
I was a little nervous, but you said why.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
You said why? But did she say why?
Speaker 8 (06:23):
Yes, she did.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
I don't hate Kim Kardashian or anything like that, but
I was like, yeah, you know, she always is trying
to like tap into blackness with her kids. And you
were like, well, her kids are black, and I'm like,
I mean, yeah, they are down things. It's like, why
am I making a big deal about these things?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
No, No, not to say you're listen.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
If you have criticism of anybody, it's not to discredit
anybody's criticism or how somebody makes you feel.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
But to me, I.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Feel like even people that you might criticize or judge
for whatever reason, or you might not like something about somebody,
I still think there's an opportunity to learn some thing
about people, no matter who. Honestly, if I'm keeping it
a buck, there's probably people that I would probably get
canceled for to even talk to them, that I would
love to talk to because in the deepest part of
(07:12):
my soul, I believe even the worst people walking the
planet is worth a conversation. You know what I'm saying,
even people that we have canceled. I'm not gonna start
naming names because I don't feel like y'all jump into
my comments.
Speaker 8 (07:23):
I know what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Listen, I'm just.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Talking about the worst creatures on the world, right, even
the worst ones. Sometimes I want to know why, how
did this happen to you? Why did you do that?
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Like?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
What did you? What did you? Who did it to you?
Speaker 8 (07:36):
You know who I would like to see that.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Oh, I feel like I could fall under this boat
for you is R Kelly.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And I wasn't actually thinking about him, but I hear you.
Speaker 7 (07:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
And I only say R Kelly because after watching one
of the many documentaries on him, it talked about his
family life and how he got touched. Of course, there's
mad people in the world who have been touched and
don't talk about it, and we see where it led
him with money and power. But just for the average person,
I feel like it's something that needs to be talked about.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
So here's the problem.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
People say, because I've seen this as a criticism, It's like,
then people get compassion for that person.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, so then they're like, I saw.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Somebody say that somebody who was beefing about Chris Brown
the other day. I saw a comment in the section,
and then it was like, well, because Chris Brown this,
Chris Brown did this. Now watch Chris Brown go on
Andrew's podcast, and then all of a sudden, everybody's gonna
feel bad and listen, I feel you. I think people's
actions require you know, when you do something bad that
(08:37):
requires some type of disability. Accountability. Yes, if you take
advantage of young women, you have to go to jail, sir, absolutely,
you know. And not to mention, I believe in karma
accountability that will eventually also come to you, and that
you have to answer to something greater than us. But
I do think the accountability is not to be negated.
(08:58):
But I even but but also I still think there's learning,
like I said, to happen from the worst people in
the world.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
And I'm not.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Putting Kim Kardashian in the realm of the worst people
in the world. Even though by some of the comments,
some of y'all maybe think so I still think wow
with the business she's made. Wow, she's raising four kids
and she navigates noise in a way that is just
fascinating to me. And she's co parenting with Kanye West.
Gotta be challenging and and yeah, like I don't know.
(09:29):
To me, I just think everybody there's something to learn
from from everybody's story, and that's really what the podcast
is about.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
So listen.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
If there's somebody that comes comes along that you don't
like them for some reason, that maybe that's not the
episode for you, and that's okay, or maybe or maybe
give it a chance, and maybe you actually there's some
common ground between you and somebody you don't like. And
that doesn't mean you have to like them, be best friends,
to be the biggest fan, but maybe there is some
human common ground where there is something that you can
(09:55):
take away from somebody you didn't even expect you would
be able to like.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
To me, that's that's the goal, right.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
But yeah, some of the some of the criticism and
the reaction to this episode was definitely harsh, But I really.
Speaker 8 (10:09):
Think is bots because in real life.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I have not, definitely.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I will tell you some of these comments are Kim
box this, Kim army bots.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I saw a lot of bots. I did it. I
saw him.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
I don't be thinking it's real because in real life, well,
somebody has to program the bots all the people.
Speaker 8 (10:24):
That's true, I.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Think, But you could be one person programming the ten
thousand bucks. We saw a lot of it on this episode. Guys,
we'll shore We'll get into that a little bit more later.
But as you Nyla who somebody who maybe wasn't a
Kim fan after the episode, do you feel anything like,
I mean, do you like her?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
He's cool? Did you was there anything?
Speaker 5 (10:47):
No?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
But okay, but this is honest.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
But as somebody who, because I have other people I
have talked to who love Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
And friends loved Kim and they were like, and even.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
J T was loved Kim, loved Kim Kardashian. JT was like,
I love that episode.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
I it's really nothing personal but just the influence that
she has had on women's lives that are just like unrealistic.
Like I had a friend who was having a baby
when we were in college, and she asks for like
this Gucci stroller that Kim Kardashian had, And I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Just like, bro, so you're mad with Kim or you're
mad at your friend.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
You know it fair enough, but it's like it's just
an influence, Like why do they want to be like her?
Just be yourself. You can like her, Like I don't
have a problem with Kim. I like that she makes money.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I like them.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
I really actually enjoy the fact that, not to say
I enjoyed it, but I think it's cool how she
started with as an assistant, had a sex tape, and
it's now a billionaire.
Speaker 8 (11:43):
Like that's that's nuts.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's real life, that's real life. That's not normal for
real life. That's only Kim Kardashian's real life.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
But exactly, so, don't ask me for a Gucci stroller, Like.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
That's pissing me off. But that's it. You mad your friend,
You ain't mad at Kim.
Speaker 8 (11:58):
You're right, all right.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
We learn a lot here in these little takeaways. Look
at how we all get to common ground. You did
say you had a takeaway that you liked.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Yeah, I really loved when she said if people were
just real and not so hateful, and I was like, man, that's.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Oh about like feedback and criticism and yeah, online I
loved that too.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
And it's like because she's like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I'm actually really open to that was kid right that
I just sound like him a little bit.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, I'm actually really open to criticism. I just don't
if it came without the hate. Yeah, nobody, listen, nobody
wants criticism with a side of hate on it, Like nobody.
Nobody wants to hear nothing you have to say if
there's hate infused in it. But yeah, she had a point.
I asked her because I am curious, like, she's been
(12:45):
in this for a long time, and her family has
been under a lot of scrutiny and lots of criticism.
Has any of it ever stuck? Has any of it
ever made you feel like, yeah, maybe I need to pivot?
And so yeah, so she said that she is definitely
open to criticism.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, let's play that clip.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Actually, you know, what I wonder for you is like,
because you've been in this for so long and have
been just subject to opinion for so many years, I
was thinking today and wondering, if ever, you know, you
brush off some criticism as hate and stuff, but ever
if there's been any criticism where you felt like that's fair,
(13:21):
or if you've had to like self correct something totally
based on reaction to you or your whatever.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Just yeah, see that's what I'm like, actually really good
at is taking the criticism, like if people were just
real and not hateful and just be like, you know what,
I really don't like this, and I think that you
should do this. I'm so open to those suggestions. I mean,
like even when I was starting Skims, I didn't realize
(13:50):
that our name that was Kimono was going to be
appropriating and right away it wasn't even an option, like
let's change this. This is making a lot of noise
and I didn't see it, and the whole team didn't
see it, and that happens sometimes. But let's do the
right thing.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
See, it's all how you deliver no hate. How are
you guys with criticism?
Speaker 8 (14:13):
I actually love criticism.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
You do.
Speaker 8 (14:15):
I'm always trying to get.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
It, but like from people you don't know or people
you know, Like if people criticize you in the comments
or like in uh.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
No, no, no, people I know, even people I don't know,
I'll look at it and I see if there's something
to it, So I'll mention it to like my dad
or something like that's someone said this, what do you think?
And if he agrees like yeah you should or now
you're fine, then I'm not gonna pay attention.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
You're filtering, you feel, filtering through someone you trust.
Speaker 8 (14:38):
That makes sense. But I'm not just gonna go jump
out the window. Are you kidding me? There's too many
crazy people like.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah that there is.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, how about you, Brittany, I know you had some
thoughts well, number one about the work your ass off comments.
We talked about that a little bit. And her work ethic.
Her work ethic is crazy no matter how you put it,
and I know it be sensitive and I want to
hear your thoughts about that, Brittany. But like in this
she talks about like she's studying to be a lawyer
while she's running multiple million dollar businesses, while she's taking
(15:10):
care of four kids, while she has a television show.
You know, you know, her work ethic, I don't think
is the question. I think it's about the privilege, right.
The privileged thing is is really bad.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
Like being a woman and having all the access that
she does, you're more susceptible to be successful, so it
is hard to like believe how hard she works.
Speaker 9 (15:34):
Well, you had that conversation with her about that clip
about like what it means to be hardworking, like get
up off your ass and work hard, and it's like, Kim,
how hard did you have to work? Like how much
did you have to get off your ass to do that?
But I think it's like, you know, she has an
interesting way. We all know not we all us in
this room sitting here, no celebrities that don't work very hard.
And then we know celebrities that have booked their day
(15:56):
out twelve to twelve, right, that are doing twelve hour days.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
We have to all be fair.
Speaker 9 (16:01):
Kim is one of those celebrities that's doing a twelve
hour day.
Speaker 8 (16:04):
She came in weekend.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
No, no, no, she's working twenty hour days.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
This is what I would say, surprised if she gets
five or six hours of sleep. Now, her work ethic
is and that's one of the things I always found
interesting about her from the beginning of her career. The
first time I met her, when she was on the
come up, I met her through Adrian and she was
you know, I was impressed even then, and I was
a workhorse, Like God, she's a peast.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
She's not selfish either, and that's something I learned about
her later on, Like she wants to help the people
in her circle strive. Like Lala was on the Breakfast
Club and she was saying, how kim helps everybody who
wants to start a business. She's not hoarding on to
the person who does her social media. She's like, she
wants to share her connections.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, that's dope because not everybody's like that. So is
that your takeaway from her?
Speaker 7 (16:56):
My takeaway for her was staying for and keeping tight
with your family. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
She has a love that part where she says, I
hit the fucking jackpot.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, from my friends and family.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Because really, and I have said this on many episodes
of this podcast, the people you choose to be in
your life are the people that will help frame your life,
Like bad friends will ruin your life, and so friends
and family and she says she hit the jackpot on that.
I liked that part and she meant it too, because
she said I hit the fucking jackpot.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I like kim Ka saying fucking jackpot.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
That was pretty good anyway, if you haven't checked out
the episode you can. It is up on YouTube page,
and of course right here we're all podcasts are heard,
and we'll be back with another takeaway tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Tomorrow's takeaway is.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
From the Kelly Clarkson episode, which, by the way, if
you haven't watched that full interview, you absolutely should. You
could do it today and then join us for the
takeaways tomorrow and be right on time.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
But just to refresh your memory.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
We talked to Kelly Clarkson a lot about the past
couple of years and the challenge from the to you know,
be in a single mom now and balancing her life.
She's a great conversation. Here's a little taste of that.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
What does divorce do to you? Like, how does this
shift you? What it has to shift you?
Speaker 7 (18:15):
Right?
Speaker 10 (18:16):
It rips you apart, you know, whenever you you fall
in love with someone and it doesn't work. I think
the thing about divorce that, you know, especially having it
public size, like it's just you know, and people thinking
they know the whole thing. The hardest part of that
is like it wasn't an overnight decision like anyone that's
(18:36):
been divorced like that was years in, like you know,
trying to trying to make, you know, not make it
work because I don't want it. I never wanted to
be partisan to make it work. I wanted to make
it beautiful. I wanted to make it awesome. I wanted
to make it everything it possibly could be. And and
sometimes that just doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
That is Kelly Clarkson and tomorrow we will get to
the Kelly Clarkson Takeaway. So join us back here tomorrow
for another Edge Martinez IRL Takeaway.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Thanks guys,
Edgie Martinez in Real Life podcast. This episode and conversation
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takeaway episode Edge Martinez IRL. I'm so sorry these have
been so backed up, but life has been lifing.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Real life has been real lifing out here. But here
we are.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
So I'm gonna today We're gonna talk about this Kim
Kardashian episode, which obviously there's so many opinions about it.
It's either like, people love Kim, people don't love Kim.
People are passionate about however they feel about Kim and
I first of all, First of all, she was lovely
to us. She opened up her office on a Sunday
(00:43):
after she had been already kind of worked. Oh I
think she took the kids to like Disney or something,
and then after came to do the podcast at her office,
had her whole staff there to cater to us.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Now, I let's see her. By the way, who has
opinions about Kim Kardashian, We're gonna get to them because
what I learned after the episode dropped not the only one.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Okay, So you'll speak to a certain population of the
audience with some of your opinions about Kim also actually
see I Do Young. Queen Brittany's here, our show producer,
and we are talking about some of the takeaways of
the episode. So I just want to get to mine
first before I get to the conversation. Number one, Kim's
co parent parenting journey kind of cracked this interview open,
(01:22):
like right from the beginning, clearly she has was I
don't know if it was the day that week, there
was a lot going on.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
They were in the news a lot that week.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
You know, it's quieted down now since then, but to
take us back to that week, it was a very
noisy Kanye was on socials, and so when we started
talking about co parenting, this this moment happened.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Let's just play it.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I don't want to get emotional.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
No, it's just been a day for me, but it's
been a time.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
You know, it's hard. Shit is like co parenting.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
It's really fun looking hard, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Like and you're not co parent thing with the with
just anyone.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Yeah, with the quietest I had the best dad, and
I had the best memories and the greatest experience. And
that's all I want for my kids as long as
they can have that. That's what I would want for them,
you know. So like if they don't know things that
are being said or what's happening in the world, Like,
(02:30):
why would I ever bring that energy to them? You know,
that's like really heavy, heavy, grown up shit that they're
not ready to like deal with, you know. And when
they are, we'll have those conversations, but like and I'll
be so prepared. But until then, I'll do anything to
(02:50):
like keep their life as normal as possible.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
You know, I've felt her here. You're not a mom yet, Nily, you.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Don't know I'm I felt her here because if you've
ever been in a cold parenting situation and it's regarding
what you love most in your whole life is your children,
it is hard.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
It doesn't matter if you're a billionaire or if you
broke cold parenting with somebody that you do not see
eye to eye with about the thing that you love
most in the world, your children, is hard. And so
when she just opened up that way, I felt her.
I understood. I can't imagine cold parenting with Kanye how challenging.
That's a different and so publicly and everything they do
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being scrutinized all the time. But the interesting thing about
that is as much as she was like she had
that moment, she kind of pulled herself together after that.
For the interview, that moment to me was more. It
told more about her and her relationship with her dad.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
Especially I didn't know that they just went the Disney
She probably, you know, you want to do that as
a family, you know, the kids.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
She talks about like wanting to protect her kids because
of the experience that she had. And the one thing
about that family, the way they regard Robert Kardashi and
their father, they all just like worship him, you know,
the father figure in that family was so strong that
that's what really was the root of her being upset there,
not just the cold parenting journey, but like she wants
(04:24):
her kids to have the experience that she had with
the dad that she had. So I just thought that
that moment was interesting and then led to her talking about,
you know, the influence on her life from her dad,
her wanting to be an attorney. I didn't realize how
many hours she was putting in to become an attorney.
That was interesting for me to hear, and then her purpose.
I really want to play her reason and her end
(04:46):
goal of what she wants to accomplish when this.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
When she gets her law degree.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
I hope that I can open up a firm that
hires formally incarcerated people. I think they know the laws
so well. A lot of the people inside that have
had to fight for their lives with no attorney, no
access to attorneys, no good sometimes not a good attorney.
So I really have a lot of faith and trust
that I can open up a firm that just like
(05:17):
hires some really smart people that just work on getting
people out. This is like a huge reason why I
also don't cancel people. Everyone cancels everybody, but everyone cancels
these people that like make a bad choice, a horrible choice,
a really crazy choice sometimes. But then I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
I think that redemption for I think anybody is like.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I believe in redemption absolutely.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
I mean, that's that's dope. That is say what you
want about Cameo a like or she's that like?
Speaker 1 (05:49):
That to me is dope. The criminal justice system in
this country is I mean, along with many other things
with this country. But let's not get started there. You know,
that's admirable to me, the work that she's doing in
that space. But you know, so we dropped the episode,
all that stuff came out, and then there was all
this feedback I wasn't used to. It's very noisy because
(06:11):
people have a lot of opinions. Even you, Nila, when
I told you about we were gonna interview Kim, what
did you say?
Speaker 7 (06:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (06:17):
I was a little nervous, but you said why.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
You said why? But did she say why?
Speaker 8 (06:23):
Yes, she did.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
I don't hate Kim Kardashian or anything like that, but
I was like, yeah, you know, she always is trying
to like tap into blackness with her kids. And you
were like, well, her kids are black, and I'm like,
I mean, yeah, they are down things. It's like, why
am I making a big deal about these things?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
No, No, not to say you're listen.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
If you have criticism of anybody, it's not to discredit
anybody's criticism or how somebody makes you feel.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
But to me, I.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Feel like even people that you might criticize or judge
for whatever reason, or you might not like something about somebody,
I still think there's an opportunity to learn some thing
about people, no matter who. Honestly, if I'm keeping it
a buck, there's probably people that I would probably get
canceled for to even talk to them, that I would
love to talk to because in the deepest part of
(07:12):
my soul, I believe even the worst people walking the
planet is worth a conversation. You know what I'm saying,
even people that we have canceled. I'm not gonna start
naming names because I don't feel like y'all jump into
my comments.
Speaker 8 (07:23):
I know what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Listen, I'm just.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Talking about the worst creatures on the world, right, even
the worst ones. Sometimes I want to know why, how
did this happen to you? Why did you do that?
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Like?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
What did you? What did you? Who did it to you?
Speaker 8 (07:36):
You know who I would like to see that.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Oh, I feel like I could fall under this boat
for you is R Kelly.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And I wasn't actually thinking about him, but I hear you.
Speaker 7 (07:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
And I only say R Kelly because after watching one
of the many documentaries on him, it talked about his
family life and how he got touched. Of course, there's
mad people in the world who have been touched and
don't talk about it, and we see where it led
him with money and power. But just for the average person,
I feel like it's something that needs to be talked about.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
So here's the problem.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
People say, because I've seen this as a criticism, It's like,
then people get compassion for that person.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, so then they're like, I saw.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Somebody say that somebody who was beefing about Chris Brown
the other day. I saw a comment in the section,
and then it was like, well, because Chris Brown this,
Chris Brown did this. Now watch Chris Brown go on
Andrew's podcast, and then all of a sudden, everybody's gonna
feel bad and listen, I feel you. I think people's
actions require you know, when you do something bad that
(08:37):
requires some type of disability. Accountability. Yes, if you take
advantage of young women, you have to go to jail, sir, absolutely,
you know. And not to mention, I believe in karma
accountability that will eventually also come to you, and that
you have to answer to something greater than us. But
I do think the accountability is not to be negated.
(08:58):
But I even but but also I still think there's learning,
like I said, to happen from the worst people in
the world.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
And I'm not.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Putting Kim Kardashian in the realm of the worst people
in the world. Even though by some of the comments,
some of y'all maybe think so I still think wow
with the business she's made. Wow, she's raising four kids
and she navigates noise in a way that is just
fascinating to me. And she's co parenting with Kanye West.
Gotta be challenging and and yeah, like I don't know.
(09:29):
To me, I just think everybody there's something to learn
from from everybody's story, and that's really what the podcast
is about.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
So listen.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
If there's somebody that comes comes along that you don't
like them for some reason, that maybe that's not the
episode for you, and that's okay, or maybe or maybe
give it a chance, and maybe you actually there's some
common ground between you and somebody you don't like. And
that doesn't mean you have to like them, be best friends,
to be the biggest fan, but maybe there is some
human common ground where there is something that you can
(09:55):
take away from somebody you didn't even expect you would
be able to like.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
To me, that's that's the goal, right.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
But yeah, some of the some of the criticism and
the reaction to this episode was definitely harsh, But I really.
Speaker 8 (10:09):
Think is bots because in real life.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I have not, definitely.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
I will tell you some of these comments are Kim
box this, Kim army bots.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I saw a lot of bots. I did it. I
saw him.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
I don't be thinking it's real because in real life, well,
somebody has to program the bots all the people.
Speaker 8 (10:24):
That's true, I.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Think, But you could be one person programming the ten
thousand bucks. We saw a lot of it on this episode. Guys,
we'll shore We'll get into that a little bit more later.
But as you Nyla who somebody who maybe wasn't a
Kim fan after the episode, do you feel anything like,
I mean, do you like her?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
He's cool? Did you was there anything?
Speaker 5 (10:47):
No?
Speaker 2 (10:47):
But okay, but this is honest.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
But as somebody who, because I have other people I
have talked to who love Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 8 (10:52):
And friends loved Kim and they were like, and even.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
J T was loved Kim, loved Kim Kardashian. JT was like,
I love that episode.
Speaker 6 (10:59):
I it's really nothing personal but just the influence that
she has had on women's lives that are just like unrealistic.
Like I had a friend who was having a baby
when we were in college, and she asks for like
this Gucci stroller that Kim Kardashian had, And I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Just like, bro, so you're mad with Kim or you're
mad at your friend.
Speaker 6 (11:19):
You know it fair enough, but it's like it's just
an influence, Like why do they want to be like her?
Just be yourself. You can like her, Like I don't
have a problem with Kim. I like that she makes money.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I like them.
Speaker 6 (11:33):
I really actually enjoy the fact that, not to say
I enjoyed it, but I think it's cool how she
started with as an assistant, had a sex tape, and
it's now a billionaire.
Speaker 8 (11:43):
Like that's that's nuts.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's real life, that's real life. That's not normal for
real life. That's only Kim Kardashian's real life.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
But exactly, so, don't ask me for a Gucci stroller, Like.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
That's pissing me off. But that's it. You mad your friend,
You ain't mad at Kim.
Speaker 8 (11:58):
You're right, all right.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
We learn a lot here in these little takeaways. Look
at how we all get to common ground. You did
say you had a takeaway that you liked.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Yeah, I really loved when she said if people were
just real and not so hateful, and I was like, man, that's.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Oh about like feedback and criticism and yeah, online I
loved that too.
Speaker 8 (12:18):
And it's like because she's like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I'm actually really open to that was kid right that
I just sound like him a little bit.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, I'm actually really open to criticism. I just don't
if it came without the hate. Yeah, nobody, listen, nobody
wants criticism with a side of hate on it, Like nobody.
Nobody wants to hear nothing you have to say if
there's hate infused in it. But yeah, she had a point.
I asked her because I am curious, like, she's been
(12:45):
in this for a long time, and her family has
been under a lot of scrutiny and lots of criticism.
Has any of it ever stuck? Has any of it
ever made you feel like, yeah, maybe I need to pivot?
And so yeah, so she said that she is definitely
open to criticism.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, let's play that clip.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Actually, you know, what I wonder for you is like,
because you've been in this for so long and have
been just subject to opinion for so many years, I
was thinking today and wondering, if ever, you know, you
brush off some criticism as hate and stuff, but ever
if there's been any criticism where you felt like that's fair,
(13:21):
or if you've had to like self correct something totally
based on reaction to you or your whatever.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Just yeah, see that's what I'm like, actually really good
at is taking the criticism, like if people were just
real and not hateful and just be like, you know what,
I really don't like this, and I think that you
should do this. I'm so open to those suggestions. I mean,
like even when I was starting Skims, I didn't realize
(13:50):
that our name that was Kimono was going to be
appropriating and right away it wasn't even an option, like
let's change this. This is making a lot of noise
and I didn't see it, and the whole team didn't
see it, and that happens sometimes. But let's do the
right thing.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
See, it's all how you deliver no hate. How are
you guys with criticism?
Speaker 8 (14:13):
I actually love criticism.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
You do.
Speaker 8 (14:15):
I'm always trying to get.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
It, but like from people you don't know or people
you know, Like if people criticize you in the comments
or like in uh.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
No, no, no, people I know, even people I don't know,
I'll look at it and I see if there's something
to it, So I'll mention it to like my dad
or something like that's someone said this, what do you think?
And if he agrees like yeah you should or now
you're fine, then I'm not gonna pay attention.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
You're filtering, you feel, filtering through someone you trust.
Speaker 8 (14:38):
That makes sense. But I'm not just gonna go jump
out the window. Are you kidding me? There's too many
crazy people like.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah that there is.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, how about you, Brittany, I know you had some
thoughts well, number one about the work your ass off comments.
We talked about that a little bit. And her work ethic.
Her work ethic is crazy no matter how you put it,
and I know it be sensitive and I want to
hear your thoughts about that, Brittany. But like in this
she talks about like she's studying to be a lawyer
while she's running multiple million dollar businesses, while she's taking
(15:10):
care of four kids, while she has a television show.
You know, you know, her work ethic, I don't think
is the question. I think it's about the privilege, right.
The privileged thing is is really bad.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
Like being a woman and having all the access that
she does, you're more susceptible to be successful, so it
is hard to like believe how hard she works.
Speaker 9 (15:34):
Well, you had that conversation with her about that clip
about like what it means to be hardworking, like get
up off your ass and work hard, and it's like, Kim,
how hard did you have to work? Like how much
did you have to get off your ass to do that?
But I think it's like, you know, she has an
interesting way. We all know not we all us in
this room sitting here, no celebrities that don't work very hard.
And then we know celebrities that have booked their day
(15:56):
out twelve to twelve, right, that are doing twelve hour days.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
We have to all be fair.
Speaker 9 (16:01):
Kim is one of those celebrities that's doing a twelve
hour day.
Speaker 8 (16:04):
She came in weekend.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
No, no, no, she's working twenty hour days.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
This is what I would say, surprised if she gets
five or six hours of sleep. Now, her work ethic
is and that's one of the things I always found
interesting about her from the beginning of her career. The
first time I met her, when she was on the
come up, I met her through Adrian and she was
you know, I was impressed even then, and I was
a workhorse, Like God, she's a peast.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
She's not selfish either, and that's something I learned about
her later on, Like she wants to help the people
in her circle strive. Like Lala was on the Breakfast
Club and she was saying, how kim helps everybody who
wants to start a business. She's not hoarding on to
the person who does her social media. She's like, she
wants to share her connections.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, that's dope because not everybody's like that. So is
that your takeaway from her?
Speaker 7 (16:56):
My takeaway for her was staying for and keeping tight
with your family. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
She has a love that part where she says, I
hit the fucking jackpot.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, from my friends and family.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Because really, and I have said this on many episodes
of this podcast, the people you choose to be in
your life are the people that will help frame your life,
Like bad friends will ruin your life, and so friends
and family and she says she hit the jackpot on that.
I liked that part and she meant it too, because
she said I hit the fucking jackpot.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
I like kim Ka saying fucking jackpot.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
That was pretty good anyway, if you haven't checked out
the episode you can. It is up on YouTube page,
and of course right here we're all podcasts are heard,
and we'll be back with another takeaway tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Tomorrow's takeaway is.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
From the Kelly Clarkson episode, which, by the way, if
you haven't watched that full interview, you absolutely should. You
could do it today and then join us for the
takeaways tomorrow and be right on time.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
But just to refresh your memory.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
We talked to Kelly Clarkson a lot about the past
couple of years and the challenge from the to you know,
be in a single mom now and balancing her life.
She's a great conversation. Here's a little taste of that.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
What does divorce do to you? Like, how does this
shift you? What it has to shift you?
Speaker 7 (18:15):
Right?
Speaker 10 (18:16):
It rips you apart, you know, whenever you you fall
in love with someone and it doesn't work. I think
the thing about divorce that, you know, especially having it
public size, like it's just you know, and people thinking
they know the whole thing. The hardest part of that
is like it wasn't an overnight decision like anyone that's
(18:36):
been divorced like that was years in, like you know,
trying to trying to make, you know, not make it
work because I don't want it. I never wanted to
be partisan to make it work. I wanted to make
it beautiful. I wanted to make it awesome. I wanted
to make it everything it possibly could be. And and
sometimes that just doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
That is Kelly Clarkson and tomorrow we will get to
the Kelly Clarkson Takeaway. So join us back here tomorrow
for another Edge Martinez IRL Takeaway.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
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