December 26, 2022 • 58 mins
This is an episode you won’t want to miss.
This week on Angie Martinez IRL Podcast, Angie is coming to you live from one of the most zen places on earth… Kim Kardashian’s office. Kim has a “big life” full of tons of opinions but has somehow mastered remaining calm mentally and emotionally despite it all. She admits she doesn’t look at comments, is open to self-correction, and believes in the room for redemption but reveals that the robbery in Paris is what really shifted her values in a major way.
Everyone is going through something in real life, Kim Kardashian included. In this episode, Kim shares how the memories of her own father help her keep it together for her kids and continue to be what leads her in her very complex co-parenting journey.
Despite all that’s happening around her, she makes time where there is often none, is dedicated to helping others, and admits to truly feeling at peace. Kim Kardashian is free, having fun, and enjoying dating, even if it means various forms of dating in the house.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Martinez in Real Life podcast. So I am at
this stunning office. Thank you, the stunning office of Kim Gardashian.
It's not just Kim, right, it's Skims. It's all of
your businesses here. It's not really our mean Skims office,
but it's everything I do. So it's my skin office.
(00:20):
I just rebranded my beauty brand um with my skincare,
with the makeup nice, the tables beautiful, the chairs are lovely.
It does right. It's like, oh, like monochromatic, like when
I post pictures of my house, they're they're like, wow,
this is so minimal and crazy, or they're like or
(00:44):
they get it, but I love it. I just like
I get it for you. When I came in, I
felt immediately peaceful. Yeah, And I realized, like, for your
life and as crazy as your life is, this one
you must need this, like you must need peace at
any anyway you can get it. And when I walk
in and I see just a calm, peaceful like workspace,
(01:05):
living space. The people who work here are old color coordinated. Yeah.
Is that intentional? Absolutely? I have I have Well it's
not like, hey, this is like your uniform, it's just
color palettes. Is this like a handbook, though, Is this
like handbook? Yeah? Grays, heather, gray, black, navy, white, cream, khaki.
(01:29):
I mean we can stick with all neutrals and like
not not a lot of color blocking, Like my house
is so zen. So I asked how everyone felt about it,
and everyone actually said that would make our life so easy.
And once everyone was on board and thought it wouldn't
be easier for them, yes, let's do this. It's so good.
(01:50):
It really is a feeling. It should like a few
a free dress day on their birthdays or something that
irritate the whole day. First of all, Kim, thank you
for doing this today. It was such like I was
coming to l a I've shot here before. And it's
(02:11):
funny because this podcast, actually my first episode was with
Lauren London and sharing her story and how she's gotten
her she have you met her? Lauren? Yeah, she's um,
She's had a lot of work on herself, but she's
managed to get through this type of trauma. And she
just opened up this podcast in a way that was
so truthful and so honest that it just like set
the tone off for me and the types of conversations
(02:33):
I wanted to have because after you talk about the
real is ship. Ever, it's very hard to go back
to conversations about what are you wearing exactly? Know, I'm
interested in what your staff wears, but you know what
I'm saying, Like, I'm so interested in having like real
conversations about just our real lives and what I'm what
(02:53):
I'm most interested in you about is you seem to
have navigated because you have a very complex, hated life
that is so big. It's so big, and everybody has
so many opinions about it, and you're constantly um the
topic of conversation, which brings so much energy to you.
You just there's so much energy around you, and I
(03:18):
just fascinated how you manage it? Yeah? Um, and do
you manage it well? And and how and what are
the keys? And I do manage it well. When I'm
going through something, I take a minute and I'm just like,
but because so much happens all the time, sometimes I
(03:38):
don't have all I can't put all my energy into that.
If something is happening to me, I will make sure
that I deal with that, whether it's like um situation
that I need to just like dig deeper in myself
to figure out why this is happening or situations that
have happened, and I felt like I needed to go
to therapy. I per personally don't have a therapist, and
(04:01):
I'm not the biggest therapy person, but I'm not opposed
to it if I feel like I needed at that moment.
So I'll take care of myself and I'll make sure
that I take a beat. But um, I do manage
it well. And I think that I am probably the
most calm person mentally. Emotionally, I just yeah, and I
(04:24):
think that, like if anyone can handle things that have
come my way, it's definitely me. Doesn't mean that it's
not hard and doesn't mean that I don't feel it opinions,
and when I see a lot of stuff, sometimes that
kind of stuff gets to me and I wish I
was a bit stronger at that. But I do manage
it well. You do know you have to manage it
(04:47):
well because people would quit, people would have breakdowns. The
amount of energy that you carry around you all the time,
I don't think the average person could withstand in a
healthy way. And I've I've said that to like family
members after like some ship has gone down. I was like,
you guys, thank god this happened to me, because if
(05:08):
this happened to you, you'd be fucked up for the
rest of your life. Like I truly believe that. And
I don't know why I was given that ability what
to take it. I don't know. I really don't know.
Sometimes I mean, I joke with them and I'm like, you, guys,
I'm like a robot robot because sometimes I'm just like,
(05:34):
I don't know why I can I don't know why
I can handle this. I saw you were in Miami
this you look amazing, by the way, just a little
strap things out at the house. And I saw Serena,
who I know your friends with post some pictures, so
then I want to wrap them down a rabbit hole
and looking at some of the comments, and that's what
(05:56):
I don't do. I don't look at comments. I can't
like some people bullshit and they're like, oh my god,
I don't look at it, like I actually don't. And
then if I do, that's the time where I'll like
spiral for a minute and then I'll just say like,
I actually can't like too much. But what I think
it is. Part of it is because I'm like everybody,
(06:18):
so mean, like, what is that there's like a thing
about you that people don't think you're like human. It's
like your because your brands, your family, it's like you've
become this like um thing and there's no understanding that
like this is like a woman. It's a woman at
the other end of that energy. UM, I don't know
(06:43):
what do you say to that to people, or to
do you do you even give it any energy in
your life or do you that I actually don't and
I actually don't care really that kind of stuff, I genuinely,
I mean, I think it's like fascinating that, um, there
is a lot of negative hate and energy towards my
(07:04):
family because we all really like mind our own business.
We're all, you know, just obsessed with each other and
and just we're like a super super close family. So
I don't know where that energy came from or where
that started. We've never really tried to like assess it
or like what is it or what you know? But
(07:27):
yet we definitely are held responsible for a lot of
things that even aren't even us. We take that burnin
on you especially. I mean I think Chloe, I think me,
I think you know, I think a lot of us
my mom. You know, I think you a lot. I
(07:48):
think you a lot because I feel like all that
energy comes to you. Do you feel like yeah, and
I used to really feel that way, you know. And
I mean I feel like I've felt a little bit
of separation since i've you know, I filed for divorce
like two years ago, so I started to slowly feel
(08:10):
that separation. UM. But you know, I think that that
will always follow me. You know. I think you're so
gracious about it. I'll be honest, I thank you, thank you. UM,
even when you were attacked or maybe, um, I don't
know if attacked or if you've ever felt attacked or
(08:32):
may be accused of things. UM, you haven't all the time, yeah,
all the time, just recently actually again all the time.
You know. Is it is it a conscious thing to
um not talk about it or to ah. I don't know.
I feel like, and this could just be my assumption
is that you protect your kids. I definitely protected him,
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and I still will in the eyes of my kids
for my kids. So in my home, my kids don't
know anything that goes on on the outside world, and
I've managed, I've managed to I'm holding them by a thread.
I know, I'm like so close to that not happening,
but while it's still that way, I will protect that
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to the end of the earth as long as I can,
like I will. I mean, my kids they don't know
anything so so at school, like some of my best
friends are the teachers, so I know what goes on
at recess. I know what goes on at lunchtime. I
hear what's being talked about. None of the kids have
ever seen anything to my kids, um social media. My
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kids aren't North has a TikTok account on my phone
and my phone only they're just not on social media.
They don't see stuff I keep, you know, when stuff's
going down, Like I protect stuff in the how as
far as like the TVs and the content that feels
like it must be a full time job. It is, yeah,
it is, yeah, but worth it, Yeah, I mean worth
(10:09):
it because I think that. Of course, I want to
disassociate in specific thoughts and things being said because that's
not me. But at the same time, in my home,
like I could be going through something, but if we're
writing to school and they want to listen to their
(10:30):
dad's music, no matter what we're going through, no matter
what is being happening in the world, Like I have
to have that, you know, smile on my face and
blast his music and sing along with my kids and
act like nothing's wrong. You know, as soon as I
drop them off, I can have a good cry or
you know, text back and do what I gotta do.
(10:51):
But it's like I had the best at I had.
I don't want to get emotional. It's just been a day,
but it's been a time. You know. It's hard. Ship
is like co parenting. It's really fucking hard, you know,
and like you're not co parent thing with the just anyone.
(11:18):
But I had the best dad, and I had the
best memories and the greatest experience. And that's all I
want for my kids. As long as they can have that,
that's what I would want for them, you know. So
like if they don't know things that are being said
or what's happening in the world, Like why would I
(11:39):
ever bring that energy to them? You know, that's like
really heavy, heavy grown up ship that they're not ready
to like deal with, you know. And when they are,
we'll have those conversations, but like and I'll be so prepared,
but until them, I'll do anything to like keep their
(12:01):
life as normal as possible. You know, they don't have
a normal this is like but they're so normal, Like
they really really are, Like they're super like, like super
creative and super special. But as far as just like socially,
(12:26):
they're super normal. And I love that for them. And
that's why I like, you know, I love just all
their fronts, like everyone. They just have the best crew.
The TikTok is so good. Oh my god, it's so
embarrassing the things you'll do for your kids. I will
do TikTok dances with Nor always said that here's the thing, Well,
(12:49):
I'm not like a great dancer. I hate to dance.
It's just not my thing. It's like so not my thing.
You would never get not in a billion years. I
would never get on TikTok. I saw a thread the
other day about people saying that North runs you, but
she does a little bit. But when I get when
(13:09):
when it's serious, and she knows, she knows I'm when
I'm being serious, But I just I just let her,
you know, Like the other day, we're just in the
car and she puts on these beats with no like
words or lyrics, and she just sits in the car.
She could for hours just wraps like over the beans
(13:30):
can just so I pressed record on my phone just
so that like one day she'll hear it and it'll
be so cute. I'm like a memory documentary. I like
to keep everything. And so that's just like our fun times,
just just driving around. And she loves to blast music
and just like freestyle. It's so she's gonna be like
a rapper. Like what is she gonna know? She's gonna
(13:52):
she's gonna be fashioned, right, what do you see? What
are you? What is your dream for your kids? I
know you want them to be happy and do what
they love, but like, no, but that's it, like and
just be happy. I just truly want them to be
happy in what they do. And I have very very
happy babies, Like they are so such good kids, so
happy and kind, and they are probably my biggest reality check.
(14:17):
I mean my morning madness in the morning to get
four babies ready for school is insanity? Does that every
day you have help? You have help? I do have
help in the morning. I have one person to help
me in the morning with the two little ones, mainly,
and I get up really early to work out before
everyone wakes. Up, and I always leave a note, like
(14:40):
there's always a baby in my bed, so I'll leave
a note like I'm in the gym if you wake up,
you know. Otherwise as soon as I get in, I
wake everybody up, and then it's like a mad rush
out to get ready and do hair and you know
the whole thing. So there's so in habit any other way,
Isn't it crazy? How was like women like I could
(15:01):
sit here and ask you, oh the things that you've
been throughing your doors or whatever, and you're like answering me,
just find it. But the second we talk about our kids, yeah,
it's a different type of like, yeah, it just hits different.
How we want to protect them, how we wanna you know,
the thought of them having to deal with something that's
challenging or hurtful or And you asked me about like
(15:25):
the grace I one day my kids will thank me
for not sitting here and like bashing their dad and
I could, you know, like of course all the crazy
ship that's you know, not just me, it like it
kills me for my family. Like I'm like I can
handle it, but like they'll thank me and I will
(15:51):
be I'll privately answer anything that they want to know,
but it's not my place anymore to really like jump in,
and sometimes obviously I have to, but then sometimes I'm like,
wait a minute, I posted something in support of the
(16:13):
Jewish community, or like even with the Balenciaga thing, it
was like everyone was like, why aren't you speaking out?
Why aren't you speaking out? And I'm like, wait, I'm
not in this campaign. I don't know what's happening. Let
me like take a minute to research this. And then
as soon as I saw what everyone was seeing on
(16:36):
the internet in the reality of the situation, I completely
spoke out and gave my my thoughts on child Born
and completely denounced it. But because I didn't say fuck
you Balenciaga, that's it. People got mad at that. So
it's like I'm they're mad if I don't speak out,
(16:59):
they're mad if I do speak out, and if I
don't cancel, they're just mad that if you don't cancel
someone in today's society, then it's just like, I know
people talk about cancel culture and how crazy it is,
but it's still happening. And so it's never been my place.
(17:22):
The whole point of life is to make mistakes. Is
to grow and to evolve and to be better people. Obviously,
there is absolutely no place or an ounce to even
play with anything with children, like any sexualization of children.
There's like not an ounce of that in our should
(17:43):
be in our brains and in our society. I get that.
I couldn't have been more clear on this is horrifying.
This is this, this is disturbing. I mean, but unless
they heard what they wanted to hear is like, fuck you,
You're canceled. Don't you feel like that was Ne're a
part of you that feels like no matter what you
say or no matter what you said, that there's just
(18:06):
there will be people who have a problem with whatever
version of response you have to a Balenciaga or to
something you know Kanye might say, or don't you feel
like you can't win or totally you definitely can't win
no matter what, you can't win. But I'll still be me.
I just think that my this week was just really
(18:31):
testing for me, just because I'm in so much other
ship that's not my ship, and that is like, I
just you know, when you just don't want to be
a part of the narrative, but you're brought in. But
then I have to take responsibility and say, Okay, people
look at me as the face of this, so let
me let me speak out. I just always want to
(18:53):
do the right thing, and you always have to just
do what feels right, and you just can't take on
all that extra energy because is there trauma in that?
Because I think for you, do you wake up every
morning and be like what could have? What? What ship
could hit me today? Or wish it could hit my
family today? There's got to be like trauma in that,
(19:14):
like that you have that feeling every day? Or do
you not have that feeling every day? I can't. You
can't live like that. You can't. I mean there's obviously
you know, maybe certain times or you know, when I
was in a relationship before, and you definitely wake up
and be like what are we going to hear today?
What are we going to hear today? Stuff like that.
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But I mean as far as like the family as
a whole, like thank god we just have each other,
Thank god, you know, because it isn't how we I mean,
that's just like together we've been we've been having like
family meetings just over dinners and just really talking about
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like life and what makes us happy, and so I
think just coming together. The closer we are, the more
we can tune it all out and just we have
these deep conversations about what's going on in the world.
And it's a really different time, you know, and it's
really scary for sure for everyone. But you just always
(20:21):
have to do you You always have to stay focused,
and you always just have to live your authentic life
and not worry about all these opinions. You know, what
I wonder for you is like, because you've been in
this for so long and have been just subject to
opinion for so many years. I was thinking today and
wondering if ever, you know, you brush off some criticism
(20:43):
as hate and stuff, but ever, if there's been any
criticism where you felt like that's fair, or if you've
had to like self correct something totally based on reaction
to you or your whatever. Just see, That's what I'm like,
actually really good at, is taking the criticism, like if
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people were just real and not hateful and just be like,
you know what, I really don't like this, and I
think that you should do this. I'm so open to
those suggestions. I mean, like, even when I was starting SKIMS,
I didn't realize that our name that was Kimono was
going to be appropriating and right away it wasn't even
(21:25):
an option like, let's let's change this. This is making
a lot of noise and I didn't see it, and
the whole team didn't see it, and that happens sometimes,
but let's do the right thing, and we did, so
I'm open to that. What about when people were reacted
so strongly to the you telling people to work their
ass off? Was that a similar type of moment for you?
(21:46):
Like that that affected it? Right? I hear you like
I hear you, you know, And when people were expressing
how they felt it was that was a weird one
because so many people were like absolutely yeah, and in
my understand why everybody was so mad. I actually had
with my producer of Brittany I was at what we
were talking about it. She's twenty something. I was like,
(22:08):
really the wire people just met, and so she was like,
we were talking about the fact that maybe some people
are you know, they look at you as being privileged
totally um and maybe that has to do totally and
that is that what you received from it? Like what
did you receive? I received that also, So the context
(22:29):
in that was I had just been doing interviews for
the last few weeks on people to work in my office,
and everyone had all of these you know, well, I
only want these hours, I want Fridays off, I don't
want to do this, I don't want to do this,
so I'll only do this. And I was just like,
I come from a time when we just grinded and
(22:51):
everyone that I'm super close with that is built our
businesses together, we would just kind of do anything any job,
like get it all together, even if it wasn't our job,
and we'd ask for something, we just get it done
and we would just you know, and also coming from
like that workaholic mindset. Um, I think I just came
off of all those interviews being like, damn, like no
(23:14):
one really wants to work. Everyone has all these like
um god, I'm blanking on the word, but everyone had
all these provisions of what they wanted in their job,
and um, I just never would have come into a
job interview like that. That was different for me, you know,
and like this younger generation. But I think people also
took it like it was coming out of COVID. A
(23:35):
lot of people that really wanted to work didn't have
the opportunities to work and might not have had the
opportunities that I have had. And so I saw that,
and I was really mindful of that that, like, sometimes
people do really want to work their ass off and
they're not given those opportunities and they're not in the
position to do that even if they really want to.
So I saw that, and I'm super super sensitive to that.
(23:58):
And if I say something like I just wasn't generalizing
it for a bunch of people. It was just my
specific experience. I had a similar one. I just posted
recently on Twitter because I was looking we were looking
to hire somebody like at an entry level to help
us with the podcasts and stuff, and so I was like,
we're old, like back in the day we had interns.
I interned for years for radio, and I was like,
where are the interns? And the response I got was nuts.
(24:21):
People were like, that's like, we don't do that anymore,
no work the work for free doesn't like people were angry,
and I was like, I was trying to give somebody
an opportunity. It was like I was looking for a
paid intern, and not even a paid intern, it was
more like an entry level kind of gig. But I
was just looking for young, hungry people who wanted to
learn something and um, but the times are different, and
so that was education for me. I was like, I
(24:43):
get it, and actually they're right, people shouldn't because I'm
sure there are people have been abused in those type
of situations, and so I got it. But I told
that's what I was talking. But I come from the
same thing. I come from working my ass off and
till I passed out, And so I understood how that
happened for you, and that's wondered what you got from it.
The two kids open my eyes to that. Now it
(25:06):
really did. I'm oh, I just always try to Like
I think also, no matter what phase, no matter what
stage a matter my life, I'm never too above or
never too good to want to learn something new and
to not I never I want to stop evolving. I
never want to stop growing, you know, I don't. I'm
(25:27):
not that type that thinks I know everything. But I'm
also not one of those people that is like, oh
my god, I wish I wasn't famous. Being a celebrity
is so hard. Obviously, more money, more problems like all
of that. Yes, you know, when my mom lives with
that guilt a lot, you know, Like God, if I
(25:48):
hadn't really like encouraged everyone, maybe we wouldn't have like
some of these hardships that come in our lives. And
I'm like, mom, this what our journey is. This is
like for us to elevate to the next level. Like
we have to go through these things in life in
order to be able to grow and evolve and get
(26:09):
to the next level. Like, this is what our journey
is supposed to be, these hard things. What would life
be if nothing was? You kind of enjoy the challenge,
am And I think too, Maybe not when I'm in it,
but I'm proud that I made it through. And I'm
proud that I I learned my lesson from every single
thing that I go through. I'm so not oblivious to
(26:31):
what's happening when it's happening, and that is, I think,
such an important place to get to, even if I'm like,
even if it's a smaller thing, I'm like, Okay, that's interesting.
Is there ever a time where you do feel like
you could? I know, you know, I know You're not
the what was me? I'm famous. I don't want to
(26:51):
be famous, but like because you can't even can you
go to the supermarket? You can go to the supermarket,
you can't go to can you go anywhere? Do you
ever miss any normal life activities? Like what I mean,
I really missed going to like CVS and stuff like
that was my life. I saw you go to CVS
with David Letterman. This is the first time in hell
long in a long time. But I'm also like, I
(27:15):
went to see VS today. It was really not that great.
I just love going up the It was okay, Target, Walmart,
like all those a grocery store. Couldn't you do like
I know, Beyonce does Beyonce I said she's put the
guys on to go a bicycle on a bike in
Central Park. Have you ever tried? No? I mean I
think it's like because then you need security because you
(27:37):
need to you know, It's like, it's fine, You're okay,
I'm fine. You know you can have a CVS in
the back of the office. I'm fine. What are you
most proud of about yourself? I mean, I'm sure you're
proud of your kids, but I mean about you likely
like um, in terms of your evolution and what you've
become and what you've built I'm most proud that I've
(27:59):
got into a place in my life where it's not
all about me, and a lot of my life has
been all about me, and I um houscle just in
helping other people and dedicating a lot of my time
and energy to helping as many people as I can,
(28:21):
just in the prison system and learning a lot and
probably like the challenge of actually going back to school.
I never was like a school girl. I never really
liked it. So the challenge of like going back and
having to study. I mean I do like twenty hours
a week plus you know, every single day. I take
(28:45):
one day a week off and um, you know, I
have like about a year and a half. What are
you working on now? Like what are the cases? Because
you're doing as you're studying, and so I work on
cases at the same time. Um, I will be working
on I mean the Julius Jones case in Oklahoma. We
(29:06):
um he was granted a stay of execution, but he
still is now in prison life without parole. So that'll
be something that will work on until we get him
out and continue to fight for him. UM working on
c murders case constantly. What do you do exactly? Like
(29:31):
is it. We're trying to get him out, but everything
is there, every situation is different, and I do everything
privately first. That's my strategy. So if I have to
get to the governor and the attorneys, I will work
privately until it doesn't work anymore. And we really have
to get loud. And even when I get loud, and
I mentioned people, a lot of the times we have
(29:52):
communicated first before, so I do like to communicate with
whatever whoever is in power or to help me these decisions.
And it's lengthy processes. There was something I didn't know
at the beginning and thought that everyone just got out
when you make the call, and with Alice, I was
really naive to how this all worked. Um, but it's
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it's a lot of work that goes behind it, and
a lot of the paperwork in the drafts that have
to be written. There's so many other cases that I'm
working on. Why are you doing this? I wondered if
it had to do with your dad, I think it's
I think he would like love it, and he would
be so proud of me and so happy for me.
That's for you, I mean him and I talked about it,
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actually we talked about me going to law school, and
he was like he actually was like listen, I don't
think being an attorney is going to be your thing,
and and we talked about it, and it's kind of
like it's just more of like a personal challenge. I
hated how I felt when I went into the White
House for the first time and I didn't know half
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of anything that they were saying, like all of the
like clemency talk and all of the attorney lingo and
everything that they were talking about. I literally was sitting
there like texting my attorney that was next to me,
Like I was to the point where I didn't even
know like all of the abbreviations in the White House.
So they were like, Okay, this person at the d
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J and the and I was like, what is my
attorney was like come on, Department of Justice, and like
she kept texting me all this stuff. But I was
never too embarrassed to ask. And I think that sometimes,
like you go into something and you like I should
know all this stuff, and so I just I just
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dove into it. And then they kept on inviting me back,
like to full clemency meetings of how to make the
clemency process easier. And I remember having this big meeting
in the Roosevelt Room and and I just was I
want I had to bring my attorneys with me, and
I wanted to be able to be there on my own.
And I felt like every time I helped someone, it
would always be like, Okay, well talk talking to the team, Well, okay,
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what can we do? What can you do? I'll just
like supervise, but like, what can you do? Because you're
the attorney, they can get them out. And I just
feel like I can get more people out if I
knew it and I can do it myself. I do
all the work. It's not just a small thing. You know. Celebrities,
people without access or privilege decide so they want to
give back in some type of way. So they write
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a check, or they they donated a little bit of
a time, or they support a cause. This amount of
efforts that you are putting anyway, from my kids every
single day for three hours a day, you know, it's
I do test I had some mid terms last week,
writing essays I'm doing And then what's the end goal?
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Do you have a vision for it? Like do you
know what? Like I hope that I can open up
a firm that hires formally incarcerated people. I think they
know the laws so well. A lot of the people
inside that have had to fight for their lives with
no attorney, no access to attorneys, no good at sometimes
not a good attorney. So I really have a lot
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of faith and trust that I can open up a
firm that just like hires some really smart people that
just work on getting people out. This is like a
huge reason why I also don't cancel people. Everyone cancels everybody,
but everyone cancels these people that like make a bad choice,
a horrible choice, a really crazy choice sometimes. But then
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I agree with you. I think that redemption for I
think anybody's like I believe in redemption absolutely, like absolutely,
and yeah, I mean I I I hope that this
is you know what, I just like I do see
like one day just being an attorney and like giving
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up a little kim Ki, you know, I do see that.
That's amazing. I don't know if I don't know if
you could pull it off because you love this. You
love this, I know how much, how much as like
in real life, so we it's amazing how you inspire
looks you wear something I see I go out I see.
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I saw today and now I'm in at Los Angeles,
so I really see the kim Ki effect. In my
hotel lobby, I saw three girls that looked like you. Yeah,
their hair was the same color blonde, They had the
same they were the same thing. Kind of dyed my
hair blonde because I was like, okay, I want to
switch it up, want to switch okay. But then when
you switch it up, there was a whole fashion movement
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of people that kind of come, do you love that?
Like is that a thing for you? Like, do you
still have that? I don't really think about it, you
don't know. I just like do what I like and
when I feel like a change and when I feel like,
you know, I don't really think about that. I just
do like what I want to do and the makeup
that I like. And I'm not thinking of like, oh
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I have to start a trend. I just wondering, like,
in real life, how much clothing means to you? I
mean material things, because that is a criticism. Interesting is
like it used to mean so much to me, and
it's completely how I valued my importance by the things
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that I had, the cars that I had, I had
to have like I thought that that made me cooler,
and after I was robbed of all of it in Paris,
I didn't know I was needing that lesson, but that
lesson was so well received. Isn't it crazy how the
universe will give you exactly what you need, even if
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you don't understand it in the momently, even if I
believe that like shakes you to your core, like my bags,
my stuff, even the memories of it, Like I know
I have that memory, so I don't really need that object.
I have objects. I have it all and now that
like when all my jewelry and stuff was taken from me,
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like I don't I just truly don't care about stuff
like that, Like I want what feels good. I want
if it's a memory, I'll hold on to that, but
if it was taken again, it wouldn't affect me, Like
things are now just for fun for me. But the
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lesson of having it all taken from me really made
me understand that, like all of this stuff doesn't matter,
and all of this stuff can be taken from you,
it doesn't go with you. And I'm so happy that
that all happened to me, And like there's fires in
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Calabasas and sometimes you know, we have to pack up
our whole house the first year, go to my shoe
and back closet, pack up everything. Maybe the first two fires.
I mean I have all my stuff, like my letters
and all that kind of stuff, Like I already got
rid of that stuff. But far as stuff in the house,
go for it. Now there's a fire, I'd literally just
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walk out with my babies, like I wouldn't even waste
the time. Like it doesn't hold the same weight for you, right,
I still love it. You still love pretty things and totally,
but that's it's like the fun icing on the cake.
It's not the cake. I don't need it, and I'm
and I'm secure and confident in myself to know that
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that I could walk out, I know i'd makeup on
and all that and stuff like I even that was
like a shield, you know, always having to be made up,
always having to look a certain way. No one likes
to dress up more than me, but I know I
don't need to and I don't care what the comments
say and all of that. If I were to go
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out not looking the way that people want me to,
that is like I feel the way that I feel
like I'm in my life right now. I feel free.
I feel free of things. I feel free of like opinions.
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There's moments, you'll have your moment, but I'd say in
this last year, this year for me, even I got
emotional before talking about Kanye, but that was in relation
to like my kids and my protection. I feel free
in the sense that I am not anybody else. I
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don't hold anyone else's thoughts, opinions burdens. And I used
to hold this guilt that I wasn't there to fix
situations and I wasn't there to put it all back
together or to I'm I'm free. Do you never feel
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the urge to like? And I feel like you do
some times watching your show and you respond to things
one needed. Yeah, but like and it's on my mood, yeah,
because I mean recently he accused you of some things,
but he always has accused you of some things and
or attached you to people or your family members to people,
and you haven't really said anything about any of that.
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Because it's like if I'm in a petty moon, I'll
go back and I'll be like, Okay, I have all
the receipts, you know, and like Okay, you wanna mess
with me on this, like, oh my god, the receipts
I have. But then I go back to my babies
and I think they will see if they'll feel my energy.
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I'm the one that's at home with them seven and
they will feel my energy. And if I have to
go and deflect every ridiculous thing that is said about me,
even if it's from the per person that was the
closest to me that was supposed to protect me and
still will post I'm your protector and I'm I'm protecting whatever.
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If I go and let the energy in my life
to go say this one is not true, and this
one's not true, and this one's not true, and no,
this is not true about my mom and no. It's
like I go back and forth on that. Sometimes I
want to like get so sometimes I get heated and
I'm like, that is so not true, and it like
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affects a lot of people. I was going to say
that because sometimes it's not just even you and him.
Sometimes it could affect other people's families. It could absolutely
And that's I think the hardest part of figuring it out.
But sometimes you just have to say this isn't the
energy I'm going to let in my life and I
have to like rise above it and not be in
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this like like I just from my mental health and
my sanity. As long as everyone inside knows what's good,
then it's like, but the character, um, I don't know
what the word is, like assassina, character assassination pretty much
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that the testing of my character to make me look
like a bad like just out of my character is
the one thing that's hard because there's already so many
people that have that energy that you were saying that,
like are these haters of me and the fam anyway?
So it's really hard when there's also people that were
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once close, especially from my kids, Like why would you
even want anyone to think that of your mom? You know?
For my kids. That's what's hard for me. And then
I get really protective over my mom my. You know. Yeah,
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I get that, you know, but I handle it all internally,
you know what I mean, Like I'll speak out and try.
I just I'm not that type to just go back
and forth on the Internet. I live my life on
a fucking reality show. I'm like, there's social media everywhere.
Like I'm just not the type just say I mean
the ship that I know and the ship that I've
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been through. Oh I bet it's you know, it's wild,
and I'm just not the type to be like what
does that do to your trust? Because how do you like?
Like you said, it's somebody is supposed to be closest
to you, like you go and it's not just that's
just knye. I'm sure people in your life have disappointed you,
and um, people have actually been so good to me. People.
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I've never had anybody really betray me but a few exes.
But the people and my my friends are the best
friends in the entire world. My sisters like I have
hit the fucking jackpot of friends and family and my
sisters like and I think like karmically, it's just all lessons.
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It's just all like, I'm I'm okay with it all.
What about love where you would love? I know things
with the last guy with Pete didn't work out, But
it was nice to see you. You look happy for
a little while, like you were having fun and light um,
like you were enjoying dating. Yeah, I was, And that's
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that's what you know, that what it was just so
new and I didn't know what dating was for so long.
You know, I've been in a relationship for like almost
fifteen years, you know, twelve years or something like that,
And I don't know, there's like a part of me
that's like, oh my god, is everyone going to be scared?
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Because you know, I don't have the easiest X and
you know, I don't think that's fair for me to
ever put someone in a situation or bring a new
person in that could be super innocent. So there is
that side of me that's just like, oh my god.
But then there's a side of me that's like, wait,
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what why would I ever have to like live that way?
And I just wanna I'm definitely in my fun zone
right now. I would say I'm in my fund my
fund um now. Were like, can you like so what sucks?
Is like so if you it's just all has to
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be like at a private house party or a house
dinner or like you know, and then sometimes you're so
stuck in your zone working that you know, Chloe and
I were like, we're going to Miami. We're just going
to Miami. Where can I gos? I was like, oh,
they're on one out there, but m And then you're like,
(45:02):
what am I doing. There's no one out here, so
what's the point. But here, here's what I will. But
the pool for you, it's very got to be very small.
It is either somebody that's comfortable standing, that's too comfortable
willing to deal with all the things that comes with
being him, and also somebody that will keep your interests
in your But my person will be able to handle
all of it. And that I do know. And now
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I'm a brave in God love, I have faith and
all of it, and he will bring me my perfect
person that we will. I'm like the biggest hopeless romantics.
So I just I know that. I just know that
my person can can deal and my person will love it,
and and same with me and whoever that is. Do
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you break up? I do? Yeah? I mean I pray
every night with my kids, even if I'm you know,
out of town. They have to call me and we
say our purse together over FaceTime. Um. They just like that.
They can't go to bed without that. Um. But yeah,
I do. What do you pray for? Just health and happiness,
mostly in calmness. Sometimes sometimes I need a little bit
(46:11):
out in that area. Yeah, I'm sure in peace, peace,
But I really do as much as there's the craziness
around me. I do feel at peace. Good for you.
I do, And I think that is like I always say,
calmness is my superpower. It is. But I do have
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a deep, deep sense of peace. And like I said,
like I'm free from all of like the stuff, like
none of that matters, Like I'm free from I'm at peace, Kim,
that is absolutely I didn't. We talk about superpowers a
lot on the podcast, and so I was thinking about yours.
But it really has to be calmness, right because there's
no way you operate this ship without having that superpower.
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Like everyone says, the world can be coming to an end,
and they'll call me and I'll be like, you, guys,
this is exactly what we're gonna do. Sit down, I'm
going to handle it. Let me go out there, I'll
fix it. Let me let me fix the world coming
to it. Um. You might's a lot of bad ship
going on in the world right now. There is, there is,
(47:18):
but you just I mean, like, of course I'll have
my moments because I just happened to be having like
a rough week. But then like even how I cried earlier,
it's like I was feeling that because I was emotional
on the way here for other reasons. Let yourself feel that,
Like I'm not going to say cut that, you know
(47:38):
what I mean, Like that's how I was feeling then,
and now I can talk about if I were just
talk about the same thing that we just talked about,
I would be totally together. You know. So it's like,
let yourself go through what you need to go through.
Don't always be super calm when you don't when you're
feeling those emotions. But also like control your emotions. I'm
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really good at control my emotions and going through them
when I need to. But also, yeah, but there's something
to learn in that about like let it go, let
it go through you, but then let it go. Like
I'm not the type of person that will fight in
a relationship and bring up the same thing a million times.
When I let it go, I let it go. I mean,
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if they're going to start with me, I definitely didn't forget.
I'll tell you, But I'm not on a daily basis
like beating you up about something that we can't change
that we've been through. You know, that's just not who
I am. Because that energy to hold on for me
is worse. It's it's for me, not for you. I'm
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not giving you the easy way out and forgetting it,
not not torturing you about it. But if you funk
with me, I will bring that outing. That is the
one thing I sometimes watch for you and I'd be like,
I wish you would pa a little more ship. Sometimes
I wish she would be like fuck you, or but
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where does it stop? Because there's so many things to
say fuck you. There's so many things to say, not true,
not true, not true, not true, funk out of year,
you know, Like sometimes I want to do that, and
sometimes I'm brought to that point, but then I feel like, wait,
but then if I speak on this one, then are
they going to think all the other ones are not true?
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Like then do I have to or are true? Then
do I have to go back and like bring up
every single thing because there's so many things. Sometimes I'm
the one thing. I have been tested so much this
year there has been the wildest ship that I even have,
like in conversations and d m s, like completely wild
(49:49):
if like someone will speak out and I'll have the
actual receipts and for me to sit on them has
shown I think this year, I've learned like restraint, and
I'll put them in my group chats and my girls
will be like stop, don't. But so there are times
(50:11):
when I really want to get out there sometimes, but
then it just depends on my like I have to
be in like a silly mood just two more talk
about dumb headlines. But I've realized, like for my soul
and my energy, it's not worth it. Totally get it,
and there's no way I can say like sometimes I'd
(50:31):
just be like, Okay, you know this isn't right, but
do you want me to say some other things? Like
I just I don't know if I'd be able to
stop if I started with how I am my my personality,
so I just silence. Is there any other super powers
that you see other people that you admire or that
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you don't have your of your own that you feel like,
I wish I could be like that person. I wish
I had that thing because I admire your calmness. Thank you.
I think I'm a pretty level headed person and I
tend to be like black and white and strategic and
you know, and and thoughtful, but like, I don't um,
I don't know that I could deal with the level
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of energy because I'm also really affected by energy. So like,
if I could be in a good mood and if
I go in a room and three people's energy is terrible,
it literally will affect me, which that won't affect me
in your space. You couldn't live You couldn't live this
life if that happened to you, because then every day
you're in the subject to that. So that isn't that
is a superpower that I admire that because I don't
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think it's just about calmness. I also think it's about
you being able to kind of protect your energy from
everybody else's. But I wasn't always like that. You learned it,
you built it, you know what. I was always calm.
I would stop sometimes, But I think that there comes
a time in your life when you have to choose
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yourself from your family, from your friends, from the energy
around you, and you have to find like what really
makes you happy and work in relationships, in the activities
that you do everything. And once you find what that
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is and you choose yourself, doesn't mean then you can't
then go, you know, get back to everybody else. But
I always put other people in front of me. Always
m hm. And I think like a few years ago,
I was like, I'm really going to this is that
(52:43):
moment over my kid, over everybody? Yeah, And once I did,
Now I can dive deeper into my kids. Now I
can dive deeper into my sister bond relationships. Now I
can dive deeper into my relationship with my brother and
my friends and you know, my mom, like you just
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I don't know if it's a generic experiences, I don't
know what it is, but it's a peaceful place to
be and nothing will really of course, they'll be like
emergency situations and how to figure out what to do
and say and you know this Hollywood life or whatever.
But like when you ask me, do I admire like
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other qualities, like no, because if I'm supposed to have those,
those will come to me and those will be the
lessons that I'm going to learn. I'm like so at
peace with like who I am? Good for you? Like
I really am. And that's why even dating and like relationships,
it's like if someone comes into my life that brings
good energy, so fun. If someone doesn't, I'm very direct
(53:49):
and I'm like this just isn't gonna work, you know,
and but you're still like a romantic You're still hopeful,
and you're still you didn't let because it's a divorce
does things. There are men who have been divorced for
ten years that haven't been able to pull themselves out
of that kind of what it does to people. They
say that, I think that's like divorce, death, move was
like the most dramatic things for people to have to
(54:11):
go through. Yeah, I'm always hopeful, Like I'm so hopeful
that like and maybe it's like a ridiculous fantasy, but
like that all find my perfect person and and I mean,
I don't know if I'll get married again, you know,
but I'll have my forever like partner, you know that,
(54:31):
Like I know that there's gonna be like he's coming,
He's coming, absolutely, but I'm just like at peace and
I'm going to have fun until that happens. What do
you think moving forward? The next phase for you? It's
like what is the what is your purpose in the
world right now? And how do you want to be remembered?
And I think my next face, I think it's this
(54:53):
like at peace phase that I hope last forever, and
I know I know that it's in me and once
it's in you, I don't think it'll ever leave. I
just want to continue to just be a good person
and be a kind person. But as far as my purpose,
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I just hope that like people can realize that, like
it doesn't matter where you're at in your life, or
how old you are, or you know what you thought
your career path was going to be, you can really
change that at any time you want, and you can
really do whatever you want to do. I had never
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dreamed in a million years that I would go through
with law school. And if you support yourself, if you
surround yourself with people that really support you and like
their eyes light up at the idea of helping you
and are so all your friends, you should feel that
way about your friends. Like I look at my friends
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and I light up when they are doing amazing things
and I'm so proud of them and I'm so excited
for them. You're not like a hater friend. They're absolutely not,
And you can't. I don't even have those in my life.
I do not have one hater friend in my life.
I don't have time for it. I don't have room
for it. Did you have to clean out a little
bit as you grew yeah, for sure, but like my
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core has always been everyone that's been in my life
has been there for I mean, even my newer friends
ten fifteen plus. You know, Like I just think you
have to treat people right. You can't really focus on
I mean, even if it comes in sometimes like negativity,
and just surround yourself with people and you'll you'll get
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to where you need to go. But I think it's
like I never dreamed that I would go to law
school and really do it. I thought about it, I
loved it, I was into it. But the fact that
I'm doing it that's why I won't give up, because
I don't want my kids to give up on something
that they really want that end result. It's hard, it's
really fun hard. It's a barely time consuming. I don't
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have time for it, but you make time for what
you want, and I want it and I'm gonna do it.
I can't wait to see what you do in that space.
Thank you. It's been inspiring to watch you build your band,
brand and your business. But I think in that space
it's going to really be interesting to see the work.
(57:24):
Thank you. I just want to help people like life
just and when you put it in that perspective, it's
hard to like worry about the details of the nuances
of the bullshit when you're like really trying to do
something powerful and important and yeah, I get that, you know,
How can I be worried about some stuff? Like I
really there's people that are really going through things and
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if you can, you know, change their lives and help out,
Like that's all I want to do. Yeah, kim Yeah, Kimmy,
and look fly doing it. Yes, that that I will
always care about real life
And Martinez in Real Life podcast. So I am at
this stunning office. Thank you, the stunning office of Kim Gardashian.
It's not just Kim, right, it's Skims. It's all of
your businesses here. It's not really our mean Skims office,
but it's everything I do. So it's my skin office.
(00:20):
I just rebranded my beauty brand um with my skincare,
with the makeup nice, the tables beautiful, the chairs are lovely.
It does right. It's like, oh, like monochromatic, like when
I post pictures of my house, they're they're like, wow,
this is so minimal and crazy, or they're like or
(00:44):
they get it, but I love it. I just like
I get it for you. When I came in, I
felt immediately peaceful. Yeah, And I realized, like, for your
life and as crazy as your life is, this one
you must need this, like you must need peace at
any anyway you can get it. And when I walk
in and I see just a calm, peaceful like workspace,
(01:05):
living space. The people who work here are old color coordinated. Yeah.
Is that intentional? Absolutely? I have I have Well it's
not like, hey, this is like your uniform, it's just
color palettes. Is this like a handbook, though, Is this
like handbook? Yeah? Grays, heather, gray, black, navy, white, cream, khaki.
(01:29):
I mean we can stick with all neutrals and like
not not a lot of color blocking, Like my house
is so zen. So I asked how everyone felt about it,
and everyone actually said that would make our life so easy.
And once everyone was on board and thought it wouldn't
be easier for them, yes, let's do this. It's so good.
(01:50):
It really is a feeling. It should like a few
a free dress day on their birthdays or something that
irritate the whole day. First of all, Kim, thank you
for doing this today. It was such like I was
coming to l a I've shot here before. And it's
(02:11):
funny because this podcast, actually my first episode was with
Lauren London and sharing her story and how she's gotten
her she have you met her? Lauren? Yeah, she's um,
She's had a lot of work on herself, but she's
managed to get through this type of trauma. And she
just opened up this podcast in a way that was
so truthful and so honest that it just like set
the tone off for me and the types of conversations
(02:33):
I wanted to have because after you talk about the
real is ship. Ever, it's very hard to go back
to conversations about what are you wearing exactly? Know, I'm
interested in what your staff wears, but you know what
I'm saying, Like, I'm so interested in having like real
conversations about just our real lives and what I'm what
(02:53):
I'm most interested in you about is you seem to
have navigated because you have a very complex, hated life
that is so big. It's so big, and everybody has
so many opinions about it, and you're constantly um the
topic of conversation, which brings so much energy to you.
You just there's so much energy around you, and I
(03:18):
just fascinated how you manage it? Yeah? Um, and do
you manage it well? And and how and what are
the keys? And I do manage it well. When I'm
going through something, I take a minute and I'm just like,
but because so much happens all the time, sometimes I
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don't have all I can't put all my energy into that.
If something is happening to me, I will make sure
that I deal with that, whether it's like um situation
that I need to just like dig deeper in myself
to figure out why this is happening or situations that
have happened, and I felt like I needed to go
to therapy. I per personally don't have a therapist, and
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I'm not the biggest therapy person, but I'm not opposed
to it if I feel like I needed at that moment.
So I'll take care of myself and I'll make sure
that I take a beat. But um, I do manage
it well. And I think that I am probably the
most calm person mentally. Emotionally, I just yeah, and I
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think that, like if anyone can handle things that have
come my way, it's definitely me. Doesn't mean that it's
not hard and doesn't mean that I don't feel it opinions,
and when I see a lot of stuff, sometimes that
kind of stuff gets to me and I wish I
was a bit stronger at that. But I do manage
it well. You do know you have to manage it
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well because people would quit, people would have breakdowns. The
amount of energy that you carry around you all the time,
I don't think the average person could withstand in a
healthy way. And I've I've said that to like family
members after like some ship has gone down. I was like,
you guys, thank god this happened to me, because if
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this happened to you, you'd be fucked up for the
rest of your life. Like I truly believe that. And
I don't know why I was given that ability what
to take it. I don't know. I really don't know.
Sometimes I mean, I joke with them and I'm like, you, guys,
I'm like a robot robot because sometimes I'm just like,
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I don't know why I can I don't know why
I can handle this. I saw you were in Miami
this you look amazing, by the way, just a little
strap things out at the house. And I saw Serena,
who I know your friends with post some pictures, so
then I want to wrap them down a rabbit hole
and looking at some of the comments, and that's what
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I don't do. I don't look at comments. I can't
like some people bullshit and they're like, oh my god,
I don't look at it, like I actually don't. And
then if I do, that's the time where I'll like
spiral for a minute and then I'll just say like,
I actually can't like too much. But what I think
it is. Part of it is because I'm like everybody,
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so mean, like, what is that there's like a thing
about you that people don't think you're like human. It's
like your because your brands, your family, it's like you've
become this like um thing and there's no understanding that
like this is like a woman. It's a woman at
the other end of that energy. UM, I don't know
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what do you say to that to people, or to
do you do you even give it any energy in
your life or do you that I actually don't and
I actually don't care really that kind of stuff, I genuinely,
I mean, I think it's like fascinating that, um, there
is a lot of negative hate and energy towards my
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family because we all really like mind our own business.
We're all, you know, just obsessed with each other and
and just we're like a super super close family. So
I don't know where that energy came from or where
that started. We've never really tried to like assess it
or like what is it or what you know? But
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yet we definitely are held responsible for a lot of
things that even aren't even us. We take that burnin
on you especially. I mean I think Chloe, I think me,
I think you know, I think a lot of us
my mom. You know, I think you a lot. I
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think you a lot because I feel like all that
energy comes to you. Do you feel like yeah, and
I used to really feel that way, you know. And
I mean I feel like I've felt a little bit
of separation since i've you know, I filed for divorce
like two years ago, so I started to slowly feel
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that separation. UM. But you know, I think that that
will always follow me. You know. I think you're so
gracious about it. I'll be honest, I thank you, thank you. UM,
even when you were attacked or maybe, um, I don't
know if attacked or if you've ever felt attacked or
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may be accused of things. UM, you haven't all the time, yeah,
all the time, just recently actually again all the time.
You know. Is it is it a conscious thing to
um not talk about it or to ah. I don't know.
I feel like, and this could just be my assumption
is that you protect your kids. I definitely protected him,
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and I still will in the eyes of my kids
for my kids. So in my home, my kids don't
know anything that goes on on the outside world, and
I've managed, I've managed to I'm holding them by a thread.
I know, I'm like so close to that not happening,
but while it's still that way, I will protect that
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to the end of the earth as long as I can,
like I will. I mean, my kids they don't know
anything so so at school, like some of my best
friends are the teachers, so I know what goes on
at recess. I know what goes on at lunchtime. I
hear what's being talked about. None of the kids have
ever seen anything to my kids, um social media. My
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kids aren't North has a TikTok account on my phone
and my phone only they're just not on social media.
They don't see stuff I keep, you know, when stuff's
going down, Like I protect stuff in the how as
far as like the TVs and the content that feels
like it must be a full time job. It is, yeah,
it is, yeah, but worth it, Yeah, I mean worth
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it because I think that. Of course, I want to
disassociate in specific thoughts and things being said because that's
not me. But at the same time, in my home,
like I could be going through something, but if we're
writing to school and they want to listen to their
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dad's music, no matter what we're going through, no matter
what is being happening in the world, Like I have
to have that, you know, smile on my face and
blast his music and sing along with my kids and
act like nothing's wrong. You know, as soon as I
drop them off, I can have a good cry or
you know, text back and do what I gotta do.
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But it's like I had the best at I had.
I don't want to get emotional. It's just been a day,
but it's been a time. You know. It's hard. Ship
is like co parenting. It's really fucking hard, you know,
and like you're not co parent thing with the just anyone.
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But I had the best dad, and I had the
best memories and the greatest experience. And that's all I
want for my kids. As long as they can have that,
that's what I would want for them, you know. So
like if they don't know things that are being said
or what's happening in the world, Like why would I
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ever bring that energy to them? You know, that's like
really heavy, heavy grown up ship that they're not ready
to like deal with, you know. And when they are,
we'll have those conversations, but like and I'll be so prepared,
but until them, I'll do anything to like keep their
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life as normal as possible. You know, they don't have
a normal this is like but they're so normal, Like
they really really are, Like they're super like, like super
creative and super special. But as far as just like socially,
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they're super normal. And I love that for them. And
that's why I like, you know, I love just all
their fronts, like everyone. They just have the best crew.
The TikTok is so good. Oh my god, it's so
embarrassing the things you'll do for your kids. I will
do TikTok dances with Nor always said that here's the thing, Well,
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I'm not like a great dancer. I hate to dance.
It's just not my thing. It's like so not my thing.
You would never get not in a billion years. I
would never get on TikTok. I saw a thread the
other day about people saying that North runs you, but
she does a little bit. But when I get when
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when it's serious, and she knows, she knows I'm when
I'm being serious, But I just I just let her,
you know, Like the other day, we're just in the
car and she puts on these beats with no like
words or lyrics, and she just sits in the car.
She could for hours just wraps like over the beans
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can just so I pressed record on my phone just
so that like one day she'll hear it and it'll
be so cute. I'm like a memory documentary. I like
to keep everything. And so that's just like our fun times,
just just driving around. And she loves to blast music
and just like freestyle. It's so she's gonna be like
a rapper. Like what is she gonna know? She's gonna
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she's gonna be fashioned, right, what do you see? What
are you? What is your dream for your kids? I
know you want them to be happy and do what
they love, but like, no, but that's it, like and
just be happy. I just truly want them to be
happy in what they do. And I have very very
happy babies, Like they are so such good kids, so
happy and kind, and they are probably my biggest reality check.
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I mean my morning madness in the morning to get
four babies ready for school is insanity? Does that every
day you have help? You have help? I do have
help in the morning. I have one person to help
me in the morning with the two little ones, mainly,
and I get up really early to work out before
everyone wakes. Up, and I always leave a note, like
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there's always a baby in my bed, so I'll leave
a note like I'm in the gym if you wake up,
you know. Otherwise as soon as I get in, I
wake everybody up, and then it's like a mad rush
out to get ready and do hair and you know
the whole thing. So there's so in habit any other way,
Isn't it crazy? How was like women like I could
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sit here and ask you, oh the things that you've
been throughing your doors or whatever, and you're like answering me,
just find it. But the second we talk about our kids, yeah,
it's a different type of like, yeah, it just hits different.
How we want to protect them, how we wanna you know,
the thought of them having to deal with something that's
challenging or hurtful or And you asked me about like
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the grace I one day my kids will thank me
for not sitting here and like bashing their dad and
I could, you know, like of course all the crazy
ship that's you know, not just me, it like it
kills me for my family. Like I'm like I can
handle it, but like they'll thank me and I will
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be I'll privately answer anything that they want to know,
but it's not my place anymore to really like jump in,
and sometimes obviously I have to, but then sometimes I'm like,
wait a minute, I posted something in support of the
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Jewish community, or like even with the Balenciaga thing, it
was like everyone was like, why aren't you speaking out?
Why aren't you speaking out? And I'm like, wait, I'm
not in this campaign. I don't know what's happening. Let
me like take a minute to research this. And then
as soon as I saw what everyone was seeing on
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the internet in the reality of the situation, I completely
spoke out and gave my my thoughts on child Born
and completely denounced it. But because I didn't say fuck
you Balenciaga, that's it. People got mad at that. So
it's like I'm they're mad if I don't speak out,
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they're mad if I do speak out, and if I
don't cancel, they're just mad that if you don't cancel
someone in today's society, then it's just like, I know
people talk about cancel culture and how crazy it is,
but it's still happening. And so it's never been my place.
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The whole point of life is to make mistakes. Is
to grow and to evolve and to be better people. Obviously,
there is absolutely no place or an ounce to even
play with anything with children, like any sexualization of children.
There's like not an ounce of that in our should
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be in our brains and in our society. I get that.
I couldn't have been more clear on this is horrifying.
This is this, this is disturbing. I mean, but unless
they heard what they wanted to hear is like, fuck you,
You're canceled. Don't you feel like that was Ne're a
part of you that feels like no matter what you
say or no matter what you said, that there's just
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there will be people who have a problem with whatever
version of response you have to a Balenciaga or to
something you know Kanye might say, or don't you feel
like you can't win or totally you definitely can't win
no matter what, you can't win. But I'll still be me.
I just think that my this week was just really
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testing for me, just because I'm in so much other
ship that's not my ship, and that is like, I
just you know, when you just don't want to be
a part of the narrative, but you're brought in. But
then I have to take responsibility and say, Okay, people
look at me as the face of this, so let
me let me speak out. I just always want to
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do the right thing, and you always have to just
do what feels right, and you just can't take on
all that extra energy because is there trauma in that?
Because I think for you, do you wake up every
morning and be like what could have? What? What ship
could hit me today? Or wish it could hit my
family today? There's got to be like trauma in that,
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like that you have that feeling every day? Or do
you not have that feeling every day? I can't. You
can't live like that. You can't. I mean there's obviously
you know, maybe certain times or you know, when I
was in a relationship before, and you definitely wake up
and be like what are we going to hear today?
What are we going to hear today? Stuff like that.
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But I mean as far as like the family as
a whole, like thank god we just have each other,
Thank god, you know, because it isn't how we I mean,
that's just like together we've been we've been having like
family meetings just over dinners and just really talking about
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like life and what makes us happy, and so I
think just coming together. The closer we are, the more
we can tune it all out and just we have
these deep conversations about what's going on in the world.
And it's a really different time, you know, and it's
really scary for sure for everyone. But you just always
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have to do you You always have to stay focused,
and you always just have to live your authentic life
and not worry about all these opinions. You know, what
I wonder for you is like, because you've been in
this for so long and have been just subject to
opinion for so many years. I was thinking today and
wondering if ever, you know, you brush off some criticism
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as hate and stuff, but ever, if there's been any
criticism where you felt like that's fair, or if you've
had to like self correct something totally based on reaction
to you or your whatever. Just see, That's what I'm like,
actually really good at, is taking the criticism, like if
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people were just real and not hateful and just be like,
you know what, I really don't like this, and I
think that you should do this. I'm so open to
those suggestions. I mean, like, even when I was starting SKIMS,
I didn't realize that our name that was Kimono was
going to be appropriating and right away it wasn't even
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an option like, let's let's change this. This is making
a lot of noise and I didn't see it, and
the whole team didn't see it, and that happens sometimes,
but let's do the right thing, and we did, so
I'm open to that. What about when people were reacted
so strongly to the you telling people to work their
ass off? Was that a similar type of moment for you?
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Like that that affected it? Right? I hear you like
I hear you, you know, And when people were expressing
how they felt it was that was a weird one
because so many people were like absolutely yeah, and in
my understand why everybody was so mad. I actually had
with my producer of Brittany I was at what we
were talking about it. She's twenty something. I was like,
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really the wire people just met, and so she was like,
we were talking about the fact that maybe some people
are you know, they look at you as being privileged
totally um and maybe that has to do totally and
that is that what you received from it? Like what
did you receive? I received that also, So the context
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in that was I had just been doing interviews for
the last few weeks on people to work in my office,
and everyone had all of these you know, well, I
only want these hours, I want Fridays off, I don't
want to do this, I don't want to do this,
so I'll only do this. And I was just like,
I come from a time when we just grinded and
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everyone that I'm super close with that is built our
businesses together, we would just kind of do anything any job,
like get it all together, even if it wasn't our job,
and we'd ask for something, we just get it done
and we would just you know, and also coming from
like that workaholic mindset. Um, I think I just came
off of all those interviews being like, damn, like no
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one really wants to work. Everyone has all these like
um god, I'm blanking on the word, but everyone had
all these provisions of what they wanted in their job,
and um, I just never would have come into a
job interview like that. That was different for me, you know,
and like this younger generation. But I think people also
took it like it was coming out of COVID. A
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lot of people that really wanted to work didn't have
the opportunities to work and might not have had the
opportunities that I have had. And so I saw that,
and I was really mindful of that that, like, sometimes
people do really want to work their ass off and
they're not given those opportunities and they're not in the
position to do that even if they really want to.
So I saw that, and I'm super super sensitive to that.
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And if I say something like I just wasn't generalizing
it for a bunch of people. It was just my
specific experience. I had a similar one. I just posted
recently on Twitter because I was looking we were looking
to hire somebody like at an entry level to help
us with the podcasts and stuff, and so I was like,
we're old, like back in the day we had interns.
I interned for years for radio, and I was like,
where are the interns? And the response I got was nuts.
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People were like, that's like, we don't do that anymore,
no work the work for free doesn't like people were angry,
and I was like, I was trying to give somebody
an opportunity. It was like I was looking for a
paid intern, and not even a paid intern, it was
more like an entry level kind of gig. But I
was just looking for young, hungry people who wanted to
learn something and um, but the times are different, and
so that was education for me. I was like, I
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get it, and actually they're right, people shouldn't because I'm
sure there are people have been abused in those type
of situations, and so I got it. But I told
that's what I was talking. But I come from the
same thing. I come from working my ass off and
till I passed out, And so I understood how that
happened for you, and that's wondered what you got from it.
The two kids open my eyes to that. Now it
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really did. I'm oh, I just always try to Like
I think also, no matter what phase, no matter what
stage a matter my life, I'm never too above or
never too good to want to learn something new and
to not I never I want to stop evolving. I
never want to stop growing, you know, I don't. I'm
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not that type that thinks I know everything. But I'm
also not one of those people that is like, oh
my god, I wish I wasn't famous. Being a celebrity
is so hard. Obviously, more money, more problems like all
of that. Yes, you know, when my mom lives with
that guilt a lot, you know, Like God, if I
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hadn't really like encouraged everyone, maybe we wouldn't have like
some of these hardships that come in our lives. And
I'm like, mom, this what our journey is. This is
like for us to elevate to the next level. Like
we have to go through these things in life in
order to be able to grow and evolve and get
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to the next level. Like, this is what our journey
is supposed to be, these hard things. What would life
be if nothing was? You kind of enjoy the challenge,
am And I think too, Maybe not when I'm in it,
but I'm proud that I made it through. And I'm
proud that I I learned my lesson from every single
thing that I go through. I'm so not oblivious to
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what's happening when it's happening, and that is, I think,
such an important place to get to, even if I'm like,
even if it's a smaller thing, I'm like, Okay, that's interesting.
Is there ever a time where you do feel like
you could? I know, you know, I know You're not
the what was me? I'm famous. I don't want to
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be famous, but like because you can't even can you
go to the supermarket? You can go to the supermarket,
you can't go to can you go anywhere? Do you
ever miss any normal life activities? Like what I mean,
I really missed going to like CVS and stuff like
that was my life. I saw you go to CVS
with David Letterman. This is the first time in hell
long in a long time. But I'm also like, I
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went to see VS today. It was really not that great.
I just love going up the It was okay, Target, Walmart,
like all those a grocery store. Couldn't you do like
I know, Beyonce does Beyonce I said she's put the
guys on to go a bicycle on a bike in
Central Park. Have you ever tried? No? I mean I
think it's like because then you need security because you
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need to you know, It's like, it's fine, You're okay,
I'm fine. You know you can have a CVS in
the back of the office. I'm fine. What are you
most proud of about yourself? I mean, I'm sure you're
proud of your kids, but I mean about you likely
like um, in terms of your evolution and what you've
become and what you've built I'm most proud that I've
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got into a place in my life where it's not
all about me, and a lot of my life has
been all about me, and I um houscle just in
helping other people and dedicating a lot of my time
and energy to helping as many people as I can,
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just in the prison system and learning a lot and
probably like the challenge of actually going back to school.
I never was like a school girl. I never really
liked it. So the challenge of like going back and
having to study. I mean I do like twenty hours
a week plus you know, every single day. I take
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one day a week off and um, you know, I
have like about a year and a half. What are
you working on now? Like what are the cases? Because
you're doing as you're studying, and so I work on
cases at the same time. Um, I will be working
on I mean the Julius Jones case in Oklahoma. We
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um he was granted a stay of execution, but he
still is now in prison life without parole. So that'll
be something that will work on until we get him
out and continue to fight for him. UM working on
c murders case constantly. What do you do exactly? Like
(29:31):
is it. We're trying to get him out, but everything
is there, every situation is different, and I do everything
privately first. That's my strategy. So if I have to
get to the governor and the attorneys, I will work
privately until it doesn't work anymore. And we really have
to get loud. And even when I get loud, and
I mentioned people, a lot of the times we have
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communicated first before, so I do like to communicate with
whatever whoever is in power or to help me these decisions.
And it's lengthy processes. There was something I didn't know
at the beginning and thought that everyone just got out
when you make the call, and with Alice, I was
really naive to how this all worked. Um, but it's
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it's a lot of work that goes behind it, and
a lot of the paperwork in the drafts that have
to be written. There's so many other cases that I'm
working on. Why are you doing this? I wondered if
it had to do with your dad, I think it's
I think he would like love it, and he would
be so proud of me and so happy for me.
That's for you, I mean him and I talked about it,
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actually we talked about me going to law school, and
he was like he actually was like listen, I don't
think being an attorney is going to be your thing,
and and we talked about it, and it's kind of
like it's just more of like a personal challenge. I
hated how I felt when I went into the White
House for the first time and I didn't know half
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of anything that they were saying, like all of the
like clemency talk and all of the attorney lingo and
everything that they were talking about. I literally was sitting
there like texting my attorney that was next to me,
Like I was to the point where I didn't even
know like all of the abbreviations in the White House.
So they were like, Okay, this person at the d
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J and the and I was like, what is my
attorney was like come on, Department of Justice, and like
she kept texting me all this stuff. But I was
never too embarrassed to ask. And I think that sometimes,
like you go into something and you like I should
know all this stuff, and so I just I just
(31:39):
dove into it. And then they kept on inviting me back,
like to full clemency meetings of how to make the
clemency process easier. And I remember having this big meeting
in the Roosevelt Room and and I just was I
want I had to bring my attorneys with me, and
I wanted to be able to be there on my own.
And I felt like every time I helped someone, it
would always be like, Okay, well talk talking to the team, Well, okay,
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what can we do? What can you do? I'll just
like supervise, but like, what can you do? Because you're
the attorney, they can get them out. And I just
feel like I can get more people out if I
knew it and I can do it myself. I do
all the work. It's not just a small thing. You know. Celebrities,
people without access or privilege decide so they want to
give back in some type of way. So they write
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a check, or they they donated a little bit of
a time, or they support a cause. This amount of
efforts that you are putting anyway, from my kids every
single day for three hours a day, you know, it's
I do test I had some mid terms last week,
writing essays I'm doing And then what's the end goal?
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Do you have a vision for it? Like do you
know what? Like I hope that I can open up
a firm that hires formally incarcerated people. I think they
know the laws so well. A lot of the people
inside that have had to fight for their lives with
no attorney, no access to attorneys, no good at sometimes
not a good attorney. So I really have a lot
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of faith and trust that I can open up a
firm that just like hires some really smart people that
just work on getting people out. This is like a
huge reason why I also don't cancel people. Everyone cancels everybody,
but everyone cancels these people that like make a bad choice,
a horrible choice, a really crazy choice sometimes. But then
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I agree with you. I think that redemption for I
think anybody's like I believe in redemption absolutely, like absolutely,
and yeah, I mean I I I hope that this
is you know what, I just like I do see
like one day just being an attorney and like giving
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up a little kim Ki, you know, I do see that.
That's amazing. I don't know if I don't know if
you could pull it off because you love this. You
love this, I know how much, how much as like
in real life, so we it's amazing how you inspire
looks you wear something I see I go out I see.
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I saw today and now I'm in at Los Angeles,
so I really see the kim Ki effect. In my
hotel lobby, I saw three girls that looked like you. Yeah,
their hair was the same color blonde, They had the
same they were the same thing. Kind of dyed my
hair blonde because I was like, okay, I want to
switch it up, want to switch okay. But then when
you switch it up, there was a whole fashion movement
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of people that kind of come, do you love that?
Like is that a thing for you? Like, do you
still have that? I don't really think about it, you
don't know. I just like do what I like and
when I feel like a change and when I feel like,
you know, I don't really think about that. I just
do like what I want to do and the makeup
that I like. And I'm not thinking of like, oh
(34:53):
I have to start a trend. I just wondering, like,
in real life, how much clothing means to you? I
mean material things, because that is a criticism. Interesting is
like it used to mean so much to me, and
it's completely how I valued my importance by the things
(35:14):
that I had, the cars that I had, I had
to have like I thought that that made me cooler,
and after I was robbed of all of it in Paris,
I didn't know I was needing that lesson, but that
lesson was so well received. Isn't it crazy how the
universe will give you exactly what you need, even if
(35:35):
you don't understand it in the momently, even if I
believe that like shakes you to your core, like my bags,
my stuff, even the memories of it, Like I know
I have that memory, so I don't really need that object.
I have objects. I have it all and now that
like when all my jewelry and stuff was taken from me,
(35:58):
like I don't I just truly don't care about stuff
like that, Like I want what feels good. I want
if it's a memory, I'll hold on to that, but
if it was taken again, it wouldn't affect me, Like
things are now just for fun for me. But the
(36:19):
lesson of having it all taken from me really made
me understand that, like all of this stuff doesn't matter,
and all of this stuff can be taken from you,
it doesn't go with you. And I'm so happy that
that all happened to me, And like there's fires in
(36:42):
Calabasas and sometimes you know, we have to pack up
our whole house the first year, go to my shoe
and back closet, pack up everything. Maybe the first two fires.
I mean I have all my stuff, like my letters
and all that kind of stuff, Like I already got
rid of that stuff. But far as stuff in the house,
go for it. Now there's a fire, I'd literally just
(37:05):
walk out with my babies, like I wouldn't even waste
the time. Like it doesn't hold the same weight for you, right,
I still love it. You still love pretty things and totally,
but that's it's like the fun icing on the cake.
It's not the cake. I don't need it, and I'm
and I'm secure and confident in myself to know that
(37:28):
that I could walk out, I know i'd makeup on
and all that and stuff like I even that was
like a shield, you know, always having to be made up,
always having to look a certain way. No one likes
to dress up more than me, but I know I
don't need to and I don't care what the comments
say and all of that. If I were to go
(37:50):
out not looking the way that people want me to,
that is like I feel the way that I feel
like I'm in my life right now. I feel free.
I feel free of things. I feel free of like opinions.
(38:10):
There's moments, you'll have your moment, but I'd say in
this last year, this year for me, even I got
emotional before talking about Kanye, but that was in relation
to like my kids and my protection. I feel free
in the sense that I am not anybody else. I
(38:34):
don't hold anyone else's thoughts, opinions burdens. And I used
to hold this guilt that I wasn't there to fix
situations and I wasn't there to put it all back
together or to I'm I'm free. Do you never feel
(38:57):
the urge to like? And I feel like you do
some times watching your show and you respond to things
one needed. Yeah, but like and it's on my mood, yeah,
because I mean recently he accused you of some things,
but he always has accused you of some things and
or attached you to people or your family members to people,
and you haven't really said anything about any of that.
(39:19):
Because it's like if I'm in a petty moon, I'll
go back and I'll be like, Okay, I have all
the receipts, you know, and like Okay, you wanna mess
with me on this, like, oh my god, the receipts
I have. But then I go back to my babies
and I think they will see if they'll feel my energy.
(39:47):
I'm the one that's at home with them seven and
they will feel my energy. And if I have to
go and deflect every ridiculous thing that is said about me,
even if it's from the per person that was the
closest to me that was supposed to protect me and
still will post I'm your protector and I'm I'm protecting whatever.
(40:11):
If I go and let the energy in my life
to go say this one is not true, and this
one's not true, and this one's not true, and no,
this is not true about my mom and no. It's
like I go back and forth on that. Sometimes I
want to like get so sometimes I get heated and
I'm like, that is so not true, and it like
(40:33):
affects a lot of people. I was going to say
that because sometimes it's not just even you and him.
Sometimes it could affect other people's families. It could absolutely
And that's I think the hardest part of figuring it out.
But sometimes you just have to say this isn't the
energy I'm going to let in my life and I
have to like rise above it and not be in
(40:57):
this like like I just from my mental health and
my sanity. As long as everyone inside knows what's good,
then it's like, but the character, um, I don't know
what the word is, like assassina, character assassination pretty much
(41:20):
that the testing of my character to make me look
like a bad like just out of my character is
the one thing that's hard because there's already so many
people that have that energy that you were saying that,
like are these haters of me and the fam anyway?
So it's really hard when there's also people that were
(41:41):
once close, especially from my kids, Like why would you
even want anyone to think that of your mom? You know?
For my kids. That's what's hard for me. And then
I get really protective over my mom my. You know. Yeah,
(42:02):
I get that, you know, but I handle it all internally,
you know what I mean, Like I'll speak out and try.
I just I'm not that type to just go back
and forth on the Internet. I live my life on
a fucking reality show. I'm like, there's social media everywhere.
Like I'm just not the type just say I mean
the ship that I know and the ship that I've
(42:23):
been through. Oh I bet it's you know, it's wild,
and I'm just not the type to be like what
does that do to your trust? Because how do you like?
Like you said, it's somebody is supposed to be closest
to you, like you go and it's not just that's
just knye. I'm sure people in your life have disappointed you,
and um, people have actually been so good to me. People.
(42:44):
I've never had anybody really betray me but a few exes.
But the people and my my friends are the best
friends in the entire world. My sisters like I have
hit the fucking jackpot of friends and family and my
sisters like and I think like karmically, it's just all lessons.
(43:11):
It's just all like, I'm I'm okay with it all.
What about love where you would love? I know things
with the last guy with Pete didn't work out, But
it was nice to see you. You look happy for
a little while, like you were having fun and light um,
like you were enjoying dating. Yeah, I was, And that's
(43:33):
that's what you know, that what it was just so
new and I didn't know what dating was for so long.
You know, I've been in a relationship for like almost
fifteen years, you know, twelve years or something like that,
And I don't know, there's like a part of me
that's like, oh my god, is everyone going to be scared?
(43:54):
Because you know, I don't have the easiest X and
you know, I don't think that's fair for me to
ever put someone in a situation or bring a new
person in that could be super innocent. So there is
that side of me that's just like, oh my god.
But then there's a side of me that's like, wait,
(44:16):
what why would I ever have to like live that way?
And I just wanna I'm definitely in my fun zone
right now. I would say I'm in my fund my
fund um now. Were like, can you like so what sucks?
Is like so if you it's just all has to
(44:36):
be like at a private house party or a house
dinner or like you know, and then sometimes you're so
stuck in your zone working that you know, Chloe and
I were like, we're going to Miami. We're just going
to Miami. Where can I gos? I was like, oh,
they're on one out there, but m And then you're like,
(45:02):
what am I doing. There's no one out here, so
what's the point. But here, here's what I will. But
the pool for you, it's very got to be very small.
It is either somebody that's comfortable standing, that's too comfortable
willing to deal with all the things that comes with
being him, and also somebody that will keep your interests
in your But my person will be able to handle
all of it. And that I do know. And now
(45:24):
I'm a brave in God love, I have faith and
all of it, and he will bring me my perfect
person that we will. I'm like the biggest hopeless romantics.
So I just I know that. I just know that
my person can can deal and my person will love it,
and and same with me and whoever that is. Do
(45:47):
you break up? I do? Yeah? I mean I pray
every night with my kids, even if I'm you know,
out of town. They have to call me and we
say our purse together over FaceTime. Um. They just like that.
They can't go to bed without that. Um. But yeah,
I do. What do you pray for? Just health and happiness,
mostly in calmness. Sometimes sometimes I need a little bit
(46:11):
out in that area. Yeah, I'm sure in peace, peace,
But I really do as much as there's the craziness
around me. I do feel at peace. Good for you.
I do, And I think that is like I always say,
calmness is my superpower. It is. But I do have
(46:33):
a deep, deep sense of peace. And like I said,
like I'm free from all of like the stuff, like
none of that matters, Like I'm free from I'm at peace, Kim,
that is absolutely I didn't. We talk about superpowers a
lot on the podcast, and so I was thinking about yours.
But it really has to be calmness, right because there's
no way you operate this ship without having that superpower.
(46:56):
Like everyone says, the world can be coming to an end,
and they'll call me and I'll be like, you, guys,
this is exactly what we're gonna do. Sit down, I'm
going to handle it. Let me go out there, I'll
fix it. Let me let me fix the world coming
to it. Um. You might's a lot of bad ship
going on in the world right now. There is, there is,
(47:18):
but you just I mean, like, of course I'll have
my moments because I just happened to be having like
a rough week. But then like even how I cried earlier,
it's like I was feeling that because I was emotional
on the way here for other reasons. Let yourself feel that,
Like I'm not going to say cut that, you know
(47:38):
what I mean, Like that's how I was feeling then,
and now I can talk about if I were just
talk about the same thing that we just talked about,
I would be totally together. You know. So it's like,
let yourself go through what you need to go through.
Don't always be super calm when you don't when you're
feeling those emotions. But also like control your emotions. I'm
(47:59):
really good at control my emotions and going through them
when I need to. But also, yeah, but there's something
to learn in that about like let it go, let
it go through you, but then let it go. Like
I'm not the type of person that will fight in
a relationship and bring up the same thing a million times.
When I let it go, I let it go. I mean,
(48:20):
if they're going to start with me, I definitely didn't forget.
I'll tell you, But I'm not on a daily basis
like beating you up about something that we can't change
that we've been through. You know, that's just not who
I am. Because that energy to hold on for me
is worse. It's it's for me, not for you. I'm
(48:44):
not giving you the easy way out and forgetting it,
not not torturing you about it. But if you funk
with me, I will bring that outing. That is the
one thing I sometimes watch for you and I'd be like,
I wish you would pa a little more ship. Sometimes
I wish she would be like fuck you, or but
(49:06):
where does it stop? Because there's so many things to
say fuck you. There's so many things to say, not true,
not true, not true, not true, funk out of year,
you know, Like sometimes I want to do that, and
sometimes I'm brought to that point, but then I feel like, wait,
but then if I speak on this one, then are
they going to think all the other ones are not true?
(49:26):
Like then do I have to or are true? Then
do I have to go back and like bring up
every single thing because there's so many things. Sometimes I'm
the one thing. I have been tested so much this
year there has been the wildest ship that I even have,
like in conversations and d m s, like completely wild
(49:49):
if like someone will speak out and I'll have the
actual receipts and for me to sit on them has
shown I think this year, I've learned like restraint, and
I'll put them in my group chats and my girls
will be like stop, don't. But so there are times
(50:11):
when I really want to get out there sometimes, but
then it just depends on my like I have to
be in like a silly mood just two more talk
about dumb headlines. But I've realized, like for my soul
and my energy, it's not worth it. Totally get it,
and there's no way I can say like sometimes I'd
(50:31):
just be like, Okay, you know this isn't right, but
do you want me to say some other things? Like
I just I don't know if I'd be able to
stop if I started with how I am my my personality,
so I just silence. Is there any other super powers
that you see other people that you admire or that
(50:53):
you don't have your of your own that you feel like,
I wish I could be like that person. I wish
I had that thing because I admire your calmness. Thank you.
I think I'm a pretty level headed person and I
tend to be like black and white and strategic and
you know, and and thoughtful, but like, I don't um,
I don't know that I could deal with the level
(51:14):
of energy because I'm also really affected by energy. So like,
if I could be in a good mood and if
I go in a room and three people's energy is terrible,
it literally will affect me, which that won't affect me
in your space. You couldn't live You couldn't live this
life if that happened to you, because then every day
you're in the subject to that. So that isn't that
is a superpower that I admire that because I don't
(51:35):
think it's just about calmness. I also think it's about
you being able to kind of protect your energy from
everybody else's. But I wasn't always like that. You learned it,
you built it, you know what. I was always calm.
I would stop sometimes, But I think that there comes
a time in your life when you have to choose
(52:00):
yourself from your family, from your friends, from the energy
around you, and you have to find like what really
makes you happy and work in relationships, in the activities
that you do everything. And once you find what that
(52:22):
is and you choose yourself, doesn't mean then you can't
then go, you know, get back to everybody else. But
I always put other people in front of me. Always
m hm. And I think like a few years ago,
I was like, I'm really going to this is that
(52:43):
moment over my kid, over everybody? Yeah, And once I did,
Now I can dive deeper into my kids. Now I
can dive deeper into my sister bond relationships. Now I
can dive deeper into my relationship with my brother and
my friends and you know, my mom, like you just
(53:04):
I don't know if it's a generic experiences, I don't
know what it is, but it's a peaceful place to
be and nothing will really of course, they'll be like
emergency situations and how to figure out what to do
and say and you know this Hollywood life or whatever.
But like when you ask me, do I admire like
(53:24):
other qualities, like no, because if I'm supposed to have those,
those will come to me and those will be the
lessons that I'm going to learn. I'm like so at
peace with like who I am? Good for you? Like
I really am. And that's why even dating and like relationships,
it's like if someone comes into my life that brings
good energy, so fun. If someone doesn't, I'm very direct
(53:49):
and I'm like this just isn't gonna work, you know,
and but you're still like a romantic You're still hopeful,
and you're still you didn't let because it's a divorce
does things. There are men who have been divorced for
ten years that haven't been able to pull themselves out
of that kind of what it does to people. They
say that, I think that's like divorce, death, move was
like the most dramatic things for people to have to
(54:11):
go through. Yeah, I'm always hopeful, Like I'm so hopeful
that like and maybe it's like a ridiculous fantasy, but
like that all find my perfect person and and I mean,
I don't know if I'll get married again, you know,
but I'll have my forever like partner, you know that,
(54:31):
Like I know that there's gonna be like he's coming,
He's coming, absolutely, but I'm just like at peace and
I'm going to have fun until that happens. What do
you think moving forward? The next phase for you? It's
like what is the what is your purpose in the
world right now? And how do you want to be remembered?
And I think my next face, I think it's this
(54:53):
like at peace phase that I hope last forever, and
I know I know that it's in me and once
it's in you, I don't think it'll ever leave. I
just want to continue to just be a good person
and be a kind person. But as far as my purpose,
(55:13):
I just hope that like people can realize that, like
it doesn't matter where you're at in your life, or
how old you are, or you know what you thought
your career path was going to be, you can really
change that at any time you want, and you can
really do whatever you want to do. I had never
(55:36):
dreamed in a million years that I would go through
with law school. And if you support yourself, if you
surround yourself with people that really support you and like
their eyes light up at the idea of helping you
and are so all your friends, you should feel that
way about your friends. Like I look at my friends
(55:57):
and I light up when they are doing amazing things
and I'm so proud of them and I'm so excited
for them. You're not like a hater friend. They're absolutely not,
And you can't. I don't even have those in my life.
I do not have one hater friend in my life.
I don't have time for it. I don't have room
for it. Did you have to clean out a little
bit as you grew yeah, for sure, but like my
(56:20):
core has always been everyone that's been in my life
has been there for I mean, even my newer friends
ten fifteen plus. You know, Like I just think you
have to treat people right. You can't really focus on
I mean, even if it comes in sometimes like negativity,
and just surround yourself with people and you'll you'll get
(56:41):
to where you need to go. But I think it's
like I never dreamed that I would go to law
school and really do it. I thought about it, I
loved it, I was into it. But the fact that
I'm doing it that's why I won't give up, because
I don't want my kids to give up on something
that they really want that end result. It's hard, it's
really fun hard. It's a barely time consuming. I don't
(57:02):
have time for it, but you make time for what
you want, and I want it and I'm gonna do it.
I can't wait to see what you do in that space.
Thank you. It's been inspiring to watch you build your band,
brand and your business. But I think in that space
it's going to really be interesting to see the work.
(57:24):
Thank you. I just want to help people like life
just and when you put it in that perspective, it's
hard to like worry about the details of the nuances
of the bullshit when you're like really trying to do
something powerful and important and yeah, I get that, you know,
How can I be worried about some stuff? Like I
really there's people that are really going through things and
(57:46):
if you can, you know, change their lives and help out,
Like that's all I want to do. Yeah, kim Yeah, Kimmy,
and look fly doing it. Yes, that that I will
always care about real life
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