Mike Tyson

Michael Gerard Tyson.

This week Mike Tyson joins Angie Martinez in studio for a thought provoking conversation you dont want to miss.  Angie and Mike try to define “love”, explore anger & rage, and tackle topics from cancel culture to angels and prophets. 

Mike shares intimate stories about his greatest success and time machines, his children, and reminds us all why everyone loves Mike. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Martinez in Real Life podcast. What's your middle name? Gerard,
Michael Girard, Michael, are we rolling? Yes? I mean Michael
Girard Tyson trouble. I never want you to feel like that. Wait,

(00:21):
hold on, man, I need my crool. I need everybody
in the room to it up. This is like, yeah,
for you, we love you. You know people love you, Mike.
What's the definition of love? Um, let me think about that. Well,
there's many definitions of love. The way I use it

(00:42):
for you is that anytime I tell people that I'm
gonna do this thing with Michael, I'm coming to Mike's podcast,
people are fascinated with you and want to meet you
and want to be around you, and um, people get
excited when you're around. Yeah, I understand that's pretty interestingly
thinking like that. In order for me to have that,

(01:04):
I don't even know what, but that, I have to
be truly flawed personally, too flawed and because we're all flawed. Yeah,
but you are honest about you. You are naked about
your flaws. You like you let everybody see them seemingly freely.
Like you seem to be very free about your whole story.

(01:26):
No matter what I used to think we as people
human beings are more transparent and we know of really yeah,
even when we don't think we are being Yeah, well,
just studying life, not even as a pupil, just what
goes on around you. You know what, how there's certain
kind of people. You know, they're fake, straight people. There's

(01:50):
people that bullish it. There's people that's quiet. You just
noticed that certain kind of people and you we just
read it from that perspective. You're really good at reading
people are well. Of course that's what I did for
a living. What do you mean, not fighting exactly? Yeah,
if you don't even have to be a fight, he
could be a two pound lower lawyer. Nice stuff. Sizing

(02:11):
you up, looking at you, watching the way you talk, listening,
looking for your weaknesses and flaws. You have to break
that down for me. I need to understand look everything,
Look at how we enact with his children, his wife,
his woman, with his weakness. In that perspective, maybe I'll
talk about them in the press conference and they get mad. Uh,

(02:36):
what is the definition of love to you? Love to me?
And um having the worst person in the world. It's
the worst person in the total world. And they that

(02:56):
that purpose in the world is to hurt people and
I of them regardless. That's love. I just love people
through well. And I'm not saying everybody. I means saying
that person who I love. There's nothing they can do
to be wrong, unconditional of No, I don't know what
unconditional of. It's just nothing. In my opposite, there's nothing

(03:17):
that they can do to be wrong. If they have
another husband, another boyfriend, they're not wrong. I love them really. Yeah.
Love is so much bigger than me. Who who might
have think I can control it? I have never heard
it explain that way. You don't. That's my way of love,
and they're here. It explain a different way from my wife.

(03:40):
How do you implement that in real life? Like how
does that affect your real life, like your relationship with
your wife or your kids, or like the people you love?
So you just love them through whatever, whatever. There's no rules,
there's no boundaries, have eight everything whatever? Yeah, whatever, do
you have a boundary? Do you have a limit from
your love? It's a limit. My love is my loyalty

(04:02):
is just from this perspective, and once that perspective is
I don't know. I think there's two types of love.
I think there's love like that you feel, and then
this love as an action like action is like showing love.
Loving somebody, loving on somebody is different. So if somebody
is like abusive or not good for me or not

(04:23):
healthy for me, I may disconnect from that love from everybody.
From my perspective of it, love is the most, the slowest,
and the most direct form of suicide. Oh my god,
do you feel that when you love? Sometimes I'm just

(04:43):
gonna die. They don't they're not interested in me, and
they start looking at me funny because I gained weight.
I don't know I felt like that. But maybe a
version of that you see one day is having years
walk while you see is eyes looking at somebody else.
You know, it's the vulnerable you become vone. You know.

(05:05):
I don't have to tell you had your heart broken before.
Of course it's the worst. Then you feel in a
form of death. Love is the form of death, you know.
Sometimes check this out. When you're so in love with somebody,
they don't come when you can't eat, or to get
locked up. You just can't eat for a full couple
of days. Loved the form of dying. You might even

(05:25):
kill yourself over them. Oh god, I'm sure you heard
those stories. Of course, that's so funny because if I
wouldn't the first time, I probably got my heart broken.
I was like, why didn't nobody tell me how awful
this is? Nobody? This is the best nobody could have
hear you for it. But this is the best thing.
You survived it. Not many people survive it. It's so
powerful they have to take themselves out. And love gives

(05:49):
you a lot of balls to never underestimated. Pussy what boyfriend?
You know? What? Right? Don't do that. I won't say
you can't prepare anybody, but I do. Like for my kids,
I tell my kids, um, one of the most important
decisions you make in your life are the people that

(06:09):
you choose to love. Your friends, the relationships. Hey, then
your kids don't got power over that. They don't, but
it's it's good to be at least be mindful of it.
You cannot power over that. What do you mean? You
can't choose to like hit you and if you don't
react to it, it kills you. Yeah, but if you are,

(06:32):
if you are not mindful, and you are, you subject
yourself to love, because sometimes love happens because you put
yourself in situations to fall in love with a certain
type of person that may not be healthy for you.
That's your excuse for not acknowledging love it bigger than you. Yeah,
I don't know. Now who do we think we are
to handle love? I think you can make choices about

(06:52):
who you decide to offer your love too. No, I
don't know. How did you work out with that? I
feel I felt told what do you mean you felt?
You did amazing. It's one of the things that I'm
most fascinated about you, how you've managed to relate your
wife and the family, and um, this is my third marriage,
and I heard people so bad being selfish. All right.

(07:17):
You know what's funny that you say that that's the
thing you go to is that I hurt people, not
that people, because some people say I've been hurting love
or they regret love, because well, I know who I
am and I know when I'm in that stage of
my life people are sad. It's not because of me
taking advantage or even being disrespected. It's about what I'm
doing to myself. Yeah, but you have regret and hurting

(07:37):
other people, but some people don't even Well, I have
regret because I thought it was just me and there
was none of that business. If I want to hurt myself,
whatever I want to do, get high, but it's not
my perspective. So many other people are affected by it. Yeah,
and that's why I don't like why you know what
I mean. I understand the act of one of you know,

(08:00):
the fate of all, but the sometimes you say, hey,
what the funk am I doing? I don't want to
be here now? And that hurts my family and my
friends because it's like responsibility that comes with love, right
somewhat Yeah, when you have a wife and kids and

(08:21):
become a dad. That's it's not just free love. It's
like it's kind of somewhat responsible responsibility to be responsible
to the people you love. No, I don't know, really,
you know, I guess I love the way I do.
I don't know I's the definition and or it's a
blueprint to it. I just and it maybe and my
love maybe art to some people, but it's my form

(08:43):
of love. Yeah, but you fucking did it like you like,
what's it getting doing it? Like? I find it fascinating
that you, because your self say I have I've done
this wrong. But you've you've been married how long? Thirteen years?
Don't think that's a tremendous accomplishment. I do, but um,

(09:04):
and being honest, I think I was beating in submission itself.
That's crazy. That can't be the only reason that it's last.
And the actions with just um, your spouse, UM, and
the things that have been said, you know, things that

(09:25):
have been said when you know when we're going through
our who's going to back down um discussions? Yeah? Yeah,
sometimes some names said and they never forgotten even when
we say everything's cool, we're backed on loving each other,
but those names and never forgotten. In this words, you
always have to be careful what comes out your mother,
because once you come out, it's everywhere. You can't pull

(09:48):
it back. But it's just funny to me where you say,
why I live because the thought of you, Mike Tyson,
just submitting and being you said, what did you say,
beat into submission? It was beaten into submission, tossion. It's
just not I don't think what people would expect. I
want to. I want to be with my children. I

(10:09):
want to I justus want to do things different in
my relationships now. I'm not I'm just some it's just
interesting that I'm naver getting this. I don't have no
particular an adota, it's just working. Are you proud of
yourself in that space? Yeah? I am. I am because

(10:31):
no one, though offends, thought this would be over in
a year. Yeah, so I'm proud of that. See, they
don't know the power of love. No. I used to know.
I'm not gonna leave her from nothing. I just know
this is just where it's gonna end, right here, whatever happened, discretions,
what this is where I'm this where I'm a die

(10:53):
Yet with that? Don't you have those perspectives? And I
want to die with him? Do you have somebody like
that want to die with him? Yeah? I've been I've
been in a relationship for ten eleven years. Think your
longest relationship ever? Um, yeah, absolutely so, I've had you

(11:15):
find yourself easy to get along with me. It depends
on the day. I think I'm a fair person, so
I could like, um, if you meet me, I will
show up there and I will deliver. But I think
also that I'm I ask a lot, you know, so
why what do you want to know? What's the cause

(11:37):
of you wanting to know? I want to know everything?
Why what does it satisfying? I don't know. I like
like a seeker of truth. I'm always seeking the truth
in myself and I feel like that what is it
that you want? What are you searching for that you
want to know? I don't know. I want to figure
out how to, Um, I don't know, be the best

(11:59):
but you to myself? How do you figure to do
that to make yourself the best possible person on this
blueprints that anybody knows how to? Have you seen it? No,
I don't think one person's blueprint could be my bluepriend
just the way you want to be. Have you seen
it done before you want your relationship? Oh? Yes, Manifested,

(12:22):
it's a fucking great question, Mike. I don't know. No,
I haven't. I grew up in a house with we
didn't have I didn't grow up around anybody who was
married or in a healthy relationship or any of that.
So I don't even know. No, I'm figuring it out
as I go. Um. I think I'm doing it just

(12:44):
as much as you are. And I've known how since
she's been nineteen, and through that process of knowing, since
we're nineteen and living together and breaking up and live
hanging out together and breaking up and breaking up all
the time. We know each other's flaws. We're happy with that,

(13:07):
and we just live to help people, our friends and people.
That's basically what we live to do. Do you think
there's something too? Because you use the term beat into submissions?
Do you think there's something too? I don't know. When
you're younger and we're like chasing things and like trying
to get shipped, do you think there's something to the

(13:30):
effective just finding like somebody that could just give you pieces?
Even as we do these things is because how we
see ourselves. You know, most of all me, I'm gonna
saying myself, I'm really low self esteem. I have the
biggest ego that's ever been seen. Though it balanced me
out because sometimes when I say things that are not

(13:52):
really complimentary to myself, my thumb, they don't talk like
that about you. I feel who don't who's gonna tell
me to stop? Who's gonna tell me the truth? Only
I could do that. I don't know who's gonna say, Hey, Mike,
what's up, brother? You're an asshole. You shouldn't have done
this and this and that. You're fucking dick but still

(14:15):
can about a couple of dollars. But I respect that
so much. But who's gonna tell me I'm so stupid?
Who's gonna tell me to say stop? Only I could
talk to myself like that? What is that? Little self?
What is that? I would never think that. You see,
it's being poor most of my life. No, that's not

(14:35):
most my life, but that experience being poverty is pooh ship.
When they they did um a documentary on me and
Hulu and when I was a little kid, they made
me look so good. My house is so clean and wow, man,
I said, this is so full of ship. I hate
they did that. It's all stupid though. That was never

(14:57):
a middle class, a low class. We didn't pay a ram.
It was just the weird my brother that the fund
somebody for you won't kick us out. It's just that's
the way. Yeah, yeah, it was the trenches. But is
that weird for somebody to tell your story and you
not be part of that. How No, it's not weird because, um,

(15:20):
in all due respect, if I could be permitted to
say without being egotistical, they're gonna be writing movies and
stuff about me forever. So who am I telling them
to stop, like you know what I mean, they could. Yes,
I can say that was good, that was bad. But
people are gonna do what they're gonna do, and I
can't stop them. I don't know. They helped me just

(15:41):
as much as I helped them. You do have this
way about you. It's like you have this like ferocious
side where you're like, like how you said, you read people,
you see people's weaknesses. But then also you have this
thing about you that you're like, go ahead, do that.
They're gonna make stories about Oh, go ahead, you want
to do that. I still love you even though you did.

(16:03):
I think I'm the old man. What is that? I
don't know. That's one of Frederick Nietzsche's um archetypes, and
believing the person that can endure anything paying suffering, and
that um reflected back there's no income, he's just dooping everything.
I think that's one of the reason why I say

(16:24):
people love you. You just have had so many peaks
and valleys and ever fascinate you know. I just think
I'm a part of people that they don't want anybody
to see. That's why I think I received for our
of accolades because I'm what they will never let people see.
What is that? Exactly who they really are, and that

(16:46):
whatever they may be, whatever it is behind closed, whatever
it is. But what is that in you? Is that
like a thought out a state of being that you
try to be in or is that just something that
God is? Just your experience and God gave you that
kind of it's my experience. Yeah, and I'm sure God

(17:08):
has a great thing to do with that, because God
inventents me. So I start I stopped looking at God
as a gender gender. He's just or she or I
don't say God is the universe. I was told everything
anonymous was done by a woman. I like that. I

(17:29):
believe that. I that IK. We've been talking a lot
on this podcast. You know it's called in real life.
It's like all the real life things that make us
who we are. And one of my first chapter that
I did was about the fact that we're all going
to die. And I know you think about that. The
other thing about that today life is just um the
willingness to die. I was just thinking about. I was

(17:51):
thinking about the willingness. What do you mean break that down?
Not being afraid of it, not clinging the life. You know,
that's the most of it. Do we cling of life?
Believe them we're never going to die? When they know
we're gonna die? How can Who do you cling to this?
You enjoy this while we're here and then it's over
a part of the dirt? How do you not? How

(18:11):
is like? How do you not cling to it? No? Yet,
sometimes we have to think about ourselves. Why didn't God
decide to make us? I didn't bother nobody? Why did I?
Why did I? Why did he decide to make me?
And now I gotta be afraid of death? Why can't
I just never existed? I never knew anything about life.
I would never knew anything about myself. But you decide

(18:32):
to make me, bring me here, and I'm afraid to death?
Not really, I'm listen. This is what I realized is
life is good? I could death be bad? How could God?
You think God want to want us to suffer? No? Really,
you think the universe really wants us to suffer? Did
they create us to suffer? So? Did they create us
to be problem solvers? If you look at that from

(18:55):
that perspective? So I look at death is just another
part of life that we never experienced. Do you think
about what happens when we die. But like you know,
I know God, It's not gonna be cruel to us.
That's what I mean. He did did he did she?
Or he did the universe create us to be missed.
I don't know my leveling to us? What would that

(19:15):
be like they just made the suffer. It would be chaos,
which there is a lot of chaos the mind. The
mind is easy to be manipulated. And we think we're
controlling and we're very easy to be manipulated. I totally
agree with that. I think people are manipulating us all day.

(19:35):
That's like one of my big things about like friendships
or like boundaries as you talk about, like I don't
have relationships and love no matter what. It's like one
of my triggers, like people who try to manipulate you.
Like so if you be vulnerable and you can give
love unconditionally, like you say, you can't help it, you
just love, and if somebody takes that and uses it

(19:58):
and to manipulate you, Yeah, it's a trigger for me.
I was told them that's gonna happen all your life,
you know. That's that's what the purpose that God created
is to solve problems to live beyond those um fears
that we we have. You know what I mean to

(20:19):
become my best, best person, like you were saying, where
sometimes we're gonna God would allow us to accelerate, and
people we love may not be able to reach that
level and we may have to leave them there to
be the best that we possibly could be. Being the
best you possibly could be is starting with people, not
finishing with them because you want to be the best

(20:42):
you want to be, and they really don't want to
go to the direction you want to go. They want
you to stay here and not be disrespectful, hating on it.
This this is where they can communicate what you at
do use some movie they can communicate with do that
makes sense. They can't communicate what you appear. But you
love We still love each other, but you can't help it.
Guardless is taking you here, and you still want to

(21:02):
go down here, But you gotta make the decision. Are
you gonna come down here just the love and kill
yourself and all your accomplishments and anything that you ever
wanted in life and your goal, or you're gonna keep
as sending that could be lonely. It is lonely. But um,
it's better than the other. And never you can stay

(21:24):
down here and you don't belong here, so you can't
stay out here if you wanted to. You just go
to ascend it. You start getting high and stuff and
doing drugs you'll come back for. But if you're doing
the right thing, you start to sending and keep going
further and reaching what you want to reach, which is
very scary, and you're gonna reach it, but be careful

(21:45):
what you wish for you might get it. Do you
feel like you've gotten all the things you wish for?
I think I'm overrated as what not a fighter, as
the mom entity of what I am now can't go
the place where people applaud and we can't walk the
street no more. You can't do what makes me me

(22:07):
anymore because you're overrated as a human because I don't
have no space. I am booming in my face constantly.
But you managed to, and I've been around you. You
managed to still be who you are. I know, but
you're not with me when I'm home after that. I'm tired.

(22:29):
No I'm not. I'm tired, but I'm just ranting a
raven because I know if I do it out there
I might have we can you know, Oh, but I
used to try to drain myself. But yeah, I get
really angry at people too when they, yes, don't fucking
stop when I do everything, I give them all attention,
to give all the autographs on paper they want, and they, yes,

(22:49):
don't fucking stop, and they don't understand that. I get
angry too. You never show it publicly, Well, we don't
know it. Sometimes I have to, Yeah, but we haven't
in a long time. But sometimes, um, I don't even
hate saying sometimes you gotta kick a motherfucker that. Oh
we did see that recently. Sometimes we see that recently.
Sometimes you have to do it. I was happy for

(23:11):
you in that moment. I'm gonna be honest. Sometimes you
were talking about the same moment. But sometimes you have
to do it, and I don't like doing it, but
it just feels remarkably good when I do it. Good
for what? Like? What does it serve? What party was
just serving before? Before? It recall more or less adrenaline pumping.

(23:31):
My mind's going back to that aggressive ship, Let's kill him,
and that felt good. I don't know. You still got that.
You step fighters forever in you forever for your whole
life and the fight experience that it is just my
anger on my rage. How do you do how you
distinguish the two? People don't distinguish the two when they

(23:53):
see me. Yes, he's great, don't suck him up. But
if I have rage, to have anger sometimes still forever
you think, Yeah, I'm listen. I was getting a brain
scan recently, not too long ago, a couple of months,
and the guy said, wow, your brain is great. To
be a box. He was talking about other boxes brains

(24:14):
and it looked like Joe. Yeah, it was really bad.
And he said, but listen, I see anger here. How
can you tell somebody's anger? You have rages right here?
This is rage and saying yeah, I do get upset
sometimes you can tell that to a brain scan. I
had no idea. What else did you find? Everything's cool

(24:39):
but that anger? He said, I'm never going to have
not anger. He said, I'm never gonna have what's this stuff?
When you start to mention none of that stuff? Um,
he's never gonna have that because I have a very
together brain. I didn't really get hit that much, but
the fact is that, um he detected that rage. That
blew my mind. I've never heard of that something that

(25:02):
you're trying to hear it high and now it's exposed.
I'm curious from you because there's so many people that
deal with rage all the time. Or if it's not
you don't rage, you in a relationship with somebody who
got rage and people die from that. Yeah, we forgot
to say that that's would make rage rage because people die.
People suralive it, but most a lot of people die

(25:23):
from rage. Household do you mean no? Other people's might
cut you off and say, right, you don't know what
this day was like, Yeah, that's just what it is.
Some people get me, motherfucker. They don't know there's people
out there more angry than they are, and they don't
want to have an encounter with them. That's just what

(25:45):
it is. That's the world I live in, Mike. How
do you manage that rage? Like? What has been the
best thing? My wife always say when I go out,
be nice, be nice. It'd be nice. It'd be nice. Yeah,
but that's unless you being nice. But if you still
have a rage inside, but then that's my problem to
deal with it. I have to be disciplined and keep

(26:07):
it in control. How do you do that because I'm
sure there's discipline and those areas far as my brain
and control of my rage and to my manifesting and
my meditation. Like fourteen man, I got away from that
stuff after I got really a big fight and got

(26:28):
became celebrity, and then you know, my mind started thinking differently.
It's about pleasure m hm. But you went back to it, right,
like meditation? Absolutely? Yeah, I see. I started getting involved
with plant medicine and animal medicine, and I think that
pretty much killed money and my affinity for cocaine or

(26:49):
liquor anything like that. That's a big thing. I think
it's very big. What is the core? What is the like?
What do you blame your rage on? My insecurity? Yeah?
Childhood ship? Right? Isn't it crazy that we could be grown,
have had all these experiences, done all this work, do

(27:12):
all types of health. Yeah, they is when you your
whole life because without fetching, nobody have to reflect on
what you truly are. All of us have our mathica vanity,
and we try to prevent people to know what we
really are. Hm. We were talking. I was talking about

(27:34):
Kelly Roland and we were talking about are neither one?
We just both of us recently. Well, I didn't reconnect
with my father, but I found that my father was alive.
She reconnected with her father, neither one of us. Kelly Roland,
you know Kelly Rowland Destiny Child. Yeah, you know Kelly.
So we were talking about this and she was and
we were talking about the results of not having a
father in your life. Whoa for women and what that

(27:58):
is for you. I'm sure that a whole other thing.
To listen my parents, Um, I don't know. It would
have been interesting with my parents alife when I was
very successful. You know, my parents were alcohol like, they
were sex workers. It would have been pretty interesting. You know.

(28:19):
They were scared of the world like that, they were
scared to get too close to that. I'm sure they
had in securities to them. I forgot it from them, Yeah, yeah, probably,
but there's always like residual stuff. And then I'm like, okay, so, okay,
maybe I got trust issues because my father wasn't around.
So relationships with men are challenging and things like that.
But at some point, as an adult, can't you let

(28:42):
go of that stuff? Can't you do work and like
let it go? Or does you think it always stays
stay with you. Because if you get in a relationship
and said how is your life? Is the kid, have
your boyfriend or who you would ever ask you that?
Of course then you have to explain that because when
he said how was your life to get boom weight?
There you go triggered. You might lie and then one

(29:03):
day you really come with it. You may start telling
speaking on the issue. It never goes away. If you
don't think your childhood ever goes away. If you went away,
I would not be here talking to you. M hmm.
I mean, Um, your mind want you to get so
far away from it, and you think success is leaving
you away, leaving you further away, But success is joining

(29:25):
your closer. What has been your greatest success? Like, what
are you most proud of in your life? Really? Yeah,
what about that you as a dad? Or just who
they are? I think it's just there, Um, it's just
who they are. It's just who they are. I don't know,

(29:46):
maybe having maybe me myself being in their life, being
a present in their life, and maybe that I've never
done that before, and that's it's pretty interesting having a
relationship with your kids. Um, for a long time, I
never had a relationship with them. Oh yeah, I'm just
happy that my older older story has got married. And

(30:07):
I'm just happy I'm a part of the life that's
going to happen now, my next generation, my kids on
my time machine, they're going to the future. For me,
I love that this is like the elevator of life, right,
Like you become the father, then you become the grandfather
your kids more than father and grandfather, and then you
get closer to them. Yeah, and further from my grandkids. Right.

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And as you get older, you get closer to your
parents than you are to your kids as you die.
Do you ever think about reconnecting with your parents or
your mom? Would what that would be? Like? What have
I'm married her? What do you mean? You know? kikiS
like my mother? Really? Yeah, how it's doing my mother?
I get the same, you know, the mean kind, be

(30:52):
nice to everybody, talk to people here that She's like,
um now, she's like van damn, what's the young lady mean?
Come on, she's from Brownsville. Who's that baby is from Brownsville? Yeah?
She badasses? And I had no idea she's badass, man,

(31:14):
I had no idea she was from Brownsville. Yeah, but
that's I think I think my wife is um oh
my god, I think my wife wont that position. She
went to talk to everybody, help them with their feelings.
Talk to them. Oh god, they don't have money. That's now,

(31:35):
get the funk this stop. Okay, you love it. I
know you can't help everybody, but everybody can help somebody.
Look at like that. You help a lot of people
to Mike, do you feel like that? That's my purpose
in life to help people and listen when if I
was twelve, I was thirteen when in spotfit detention for

(32:00):
boys and they came and visit us, and once I
saw him assel, I want to be like him. Wowhamma
Ali walks, Yeah, never know about boxing, didn't care about boxing. Boom.
I want to be like what was it? The people
are crazy, that's what it was. I want to be
like that first time. That's I want to be like him.

(32:23):
The first time. I remember saying that what was the thing?
Was it? A thing he did? Was just the way
people respond? I want this? Yeah, but now you got it,
you said sometimes. So that's what I wanted. I wanted
to be like Mohammeddi when people came in, people crying,
the grown men crying. I can't imagine you at thirteen

(32:45):
Robin everybody with Robbins and then I got invol with boxing.
My whole life was crying. Yeah, you see, blue boy,
we grew up. I grew up with him and institutions unbelievable.
So you were together thirteen years old for robbing people.
But that's what you gotta Yeah, that's what I am.

(33:09):
Snatch your pocket to change. They am wrong, But you know,
never trip you out that people like hold you up
at such a high, Like there's people like all over
the world that just like love you, And in your
mind you're like, they don't they don't know that thirteen
year old. Kay, how would they even treat that thirteen
year old? Kill them? But yes, um, I'm conscious. I'm

(33:30):
very conscious of people my situation and that's how you know,
you have to be open with yourself. You are what
you are. Its just the funk it is. You know
what about cancel culture? Does that ever scare you that?
I don't know, because I feel like we live in
a world where like it doesn't it's not conducive to
people being so free. That's one of the most things
I'm most fascinated by you about is you managed to, like,

(33:52):
even with like you say, your demons, your rage or
whatever you have, you still seemingly like all free, live free,
without like fear of I don't know, canceling or offending
or cancelm fuck you. I feel like like if they

(34:18):
cancel you, you would almost enjoy it because you would
want to fight everybody? How scared? How happy are you?
We asked this, I guess a lot. How happy are
you on to scale a one to ten today? Today? Years? Yeah?
I love that this moment. Yeah happy right now at

(34:41):
this moment. Yeah, that makes me even happier on an
average day. How happy are you? I don't know, it
might be how what do you think? Damon normal day?
That's still great? Yeah. But the ship I said, for
that three, it's kind of hur that three is the
motherfucker man. What triggers the three? What is the thing

(35:05):
that would take you down to a three family losing
my wife? It's fucking crazy. That's like deep stuff, that's
like heavy stuff. Take it down the three similar three ship,
that's that three ship to get to make it go
to tender blows up. That's the dynamite that three of
the dynamite everything else is beautiful with that fucking three.
But it takes a lot. You wouldn't be triggered by

(35:26):
like a road rage. Could that take you to a three? No?
But after we get home we discussed that. Yeah, ain't
doing nothing one. We got the wheel, we get home,
we discussed that. Yeah, what is that discussion? As the
baby you ran over the curb three times? I met

(35:48):
other people that help piss you off on the road.
Somebody cuts you off, somebody flips you a finger or
something like that. That won't take you down right, no way.
I like to laugh like that, just make you laugh.
That's really amazing. A ten is fucking great. I'm just
very grateful that I could reach that. Yeah, what is
the key to that? Is a gratefulness. Yeah. I don't

(36:08):
want to lose my family, and let's just it's just
a lot of things that you go through your mind.
People out there, they will be happy to get it
to an eight. Eventually they will stop existing. It's one
of the other m hmm. There's other people out there
more angry than you are. They lost their mother too,

(36:29):
they lost their kids, and you get mad because you're
this girl you just broke up with you be careful
the degree, the fucking bad days. It's my bad days here,
but his bad thing might be here. Somebody always has
it word, somebody always has it works, and he's just
waiting for him, a little motherfucker like this to get
him raised. I think he had some problems. I'm just

(36:51):
showing problems. That's the world out there that I live in. Yeah.
One of your My favorite things I heard you say
is that everybody that you fight is not your enemy
that quote, yea. And everybody that helps you it's not
your friend. Yeah, that's so real and so powerful. How
do you know when somebody is your friend and comes

(37:13):
with time, sacrifice, um, enduring pain together, suffering together. You know,
it's just a lot of things. Do you have a
lot of friends or a small knit Okay, they have
a little small core friends. Yeah, but you love people though,
like you like certain people. Yeah. I think I'm very
easy to get along with. Pa. But everybody that helps you,

(37:36):
it's not your friend, no way. A lot of times
they want things or maybe down the line, maybe five
years from now, ten years from now, and things are
better and things happen different. That's just how it is.
The Other part of that is that everybody that you
fight is not your enemy. That's really powerful because absolutely

(37:58):
beautiful people out here. We um we have a difference
of opinions and our former fighting in verbal and we
never have a chance to really articulate ourselves the way
we want among the two of us, and so that
starts conflict now more than ever. Absolutely, you have all
the computers and stuff, and sometimes you can say a

(38:20):
bunch of stuff to somebody that's in America and you're
in Germany or somewhere, and then conflicts. Yeah, you like fighting,
You're going down this road. And now everybody get just
wants popular arab for this stuff, it would be popular.
It's um, it's terrible, I know. But it's a narcotic.

(38:42):
It's a drug. Oh I think, so okay, this is
a drug. This stuff that's camera stuff. Yeah, I know.
I try not. I try to have a healthy relationship
with it as healthy as I can. Wow, how do
you have a healthy relationship? What makes it unhealthy? What
makes it unhealthy? It is when I do it because

(39:03):
I want to I want to be I want like so,
or I want fame, or I want you know, make
you deserve. I'm not saying I don't want to make money.
I want to do all those things. I want to
be successful. I'm a driven person. But like me sitting
with you, if I'm just sitting with you, like okay,
how can I get people to like or click or
view this, then my conversation with you is going to

(39:23):
be different as if I sit here and I go
what can I learn from Mike today? What can I
talk to Mike that might actually be offering to somebody
that's watching it. So if I come to the table
like that, not that I'm I'm sucking human. So sometimes
I get caught up in being competitive or get caught
up in trying to chase maybe a success I had

(39:43):
at another point or another interview. But like I have
to I always check myself. If I feel like i'm
my intentions or my I have to check myself. You
have to do self inventory and be like why didn't
why didn't that feel good? That didn't feel good because
you went in there trying to blah blah blah. If
you would have went in there and just listened and

(40:04):
tried to find something to offer, then it would have
been better. Does that make sense for me? For me,
that's the same thing, but then the next one will
be better. Sometimes you have to make mistakes to reach
your goals in life. Anytime you want to be the
best of anything, I'm talking about anything a bug collector
and collector um garbage can collect. The time, you won't

(40:26):
be the best in the world. It's gonna be disappointment.
And by the way you handle those disappointments would tell
if you're going to be a success and not. You know,
so crazy people think that you reach a certain level
of success and then that's it's just success. They don't
realize there's still disappointments. Always for your friends, disappointing you

(40:46):
in certain situation. Anything you disappoint yourself. Sometimes have a
lot of pain. People have a lot of pain. It's
just that we have them. From myself speaking, we have
to accept every thing in life who we are. A
lot of us doesn't don't accept who we are, always
scared to show the world who we are. It's just um.

(41:08):
People are very complex, and that's okay, I've been very complex,
But that's what people are. That's what we do. We
love each other, we heard each other, we die for
one another. It's just we live for one another. It's
just this is what human beings do. There's nothing you
could say that human that human beings haven't done. How's

(41:32):
your relationship with all this cameras, phone, social media, press,
public persona, Like, how do you manage your relationship with
all that outside noise? Even now you're doing podcasts? And
here in this room, it's my room, and wherever I'm
doing this stuff, unequip believe I'm God, I'm guard him

(41:55):
and here right here, I'm going like you go right here.
Whatever you say, the world's gonna see it and most
likely accepted. That's where you're following comes from congregation. Congregation
and next thing you though, they're inviting their friends to
come to church, then write different anything you know, you
get too million friends on church. It's just um. This

(42:17):
is just um a platform for you to be who
you want to be and play the role a divinity.
It's just the role. But we can still play it.
But did you do it to get the congregation? Now? Hey, listen,
I never wanted to do the podcast. I told it
a couple of times and we had millions of views,

(42:41):
and that is sick car And I was just doing
this stuff and people start writing he's the genius, he's
a Google, he's this and that, and I don't know.
I got that just showing up doing you. I think
you have a pretty healthy relationship. You have to be
able to have a healthy relationship. But I don't know.
My kids don't seem to think. So what do you mean?
What do you think? Kids telling me that I'm one

(43:03):
of my god complex? I'm think I'm this and Madonna
and Magic Johnson, Michael john is so much flight in you?
And wait? Is that the bar in your house? Is it? Like?
Are you compared to all these other goats? Is that
what happened was just that I was talking about my
other than under it my thing. Um, I might seem

(43:26):
magic Jonathan when I don't know a fur coat of something.
Why are you not wearing the fur coat? Then? Why
you don't have a oh Man ship? She said? I
tell me Madonna is not bigger than you. D come
on like Oprah Wimpy is so much bigger than you. Dad.
Why do you thank you sobody? And you love it?
I loved that for you. What do you still want

(43:48):
to do? I'm the sky the limits. Start working with
my kids, the shows, the projects with my kids. I'm
not the kind of I don't want the world, you
know what I mean, it's just the the world comes
to me, but I don't want it. I mean, you've
done a lot. You don't have to do anything else.
You don't even have to do with the things you're
doing now, if you want to want to do more,

(44:09):
I guess what I'm I gonna do? Do nothing? Since
I did so much and die from doing nothing. I
guess want um. I want to prosper, I want things
for me, um in my name, to help people. I
just that's what's happening, to give back. You know. I
don't want me personal number, my kids, and I don't
want to die. Rich Man, you don't know way you

(44:31):
want to spend it all, give it away. I don't
want to have no one when I'm dead. Well, hopefully
we have you here for a very long time. Hey,
if I live for twenty years is not long enough.
You had a good life now, right, I mean you're
at a ten. I'm happy. That's amazing. You know. Let's
think about imagine somebody's on death row forever and yes,

(44:54):
um die that we still see them. And I like
all these people that we ran. Of course, I just
looked at it in the car. Where did the as
people go do they do? We see them again sometimes
and they get tricky, get tricky. No, life is wild. No,
every time something happens in life. I figured out I
gave a homeless person some money, two d bucks. But

(45:17):
he see my feeling like this. He didn't say thank you.
That he said God, that was recently. Yeah, he's pointing
up there, and we kept lefting. He kept pointing up there,
and we left his point loft it up. Sometimes when
I see, especially in New York, like I'll see a
homeless person, I'll see somebody asking for money. I always
wonder if it's like an angel or the profits or Yeah,

(45:40):
I always wonder everybody walks past the fact that as
human beings, we could walk down the street in New York,
see a homeless personally in the street and just keep walking.
I do feel like you when we show up upstairs
right and it's our time, we might be questioned about that. No, No,
your consciousness, you're anxiousness is God. If we didn't have

(46:02):
no laws, no laws, and you know it right wrong,
you know you did have fucked up. A conscious is God. Yeah,
unless you really even if you're fad, you know, hurting
that person that right, making that person that look like
you anymore. It's not right. You know, we all know
a conscious tell us what's right and wrong. You listen

(46:22):
to us. Yeah, it tells you. You have to listen
to it. You have to. You're fascinating, Mike. I could
talk to you all day long. I'm so even just
as a fan of somebody who's knowing you and gotten
to know you over the years, like just like so
fascinated and proud of how you just maintained. Like you know,

(46:44):
people look at your life and oh, he spent a
lot of ship, But when you really think about the
life and like you said, their teams doing this, and
you know that's raging it and losing all my money,
then getting kicked out of the box for biting this
Niger ear and then doing some mother ship um rage,
road rage on the jail for that, a motorcycle crash.

(47:06):
Drugs with my wife. I listen, it wasn't for my
wife that that helped me on the drug tip. I
was really fucked up on that looking at cocaine. I
was really fucked up. And it came across from New
the Mike tyson that at the partying and I'm fire,
having a good time. And so I come home and
my wife opened door and see me, and she said, well,

(47:27):
the fun are you? Why didn't you figure it that
over the radio? And I didn't really, I haven't really up.
When did that happen a few years ago? Ten years ago?
Her baby? Fuck? Thank god it wasn't. No, I'm not
ready to go yet. Um planted me here, not ready

(47:48):
to accept me again. Do you ever talk to people
who are addicted to drugs and give them any type
of I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I don't tell how
to beat it because I used always say, why you
gotta start something that you have to stop? You know
you started? You gotta stop this if you want to
live a function to life. That's one of my learning

(48:09):
moments when someone told me that why are you gonna
do something you gotta stop? Do you want to do
something that you never have to stop and live good
from it? Yeah? You're right, absolutely right, yeah, because that
doesn't end well if you never stop. It just didn't
make sense when you said, why are your starting? Did
you have to stop? If it is? The light came more. Yeah,
you're right, yeah, yeah, you're right. We the last thing

(48:34):
we've been talking about. Another thing I've been talking about
on this pod. It's like superpowers and the things that
make us. And by the way, you are a unicorn.
There's no there's nobody else like I can't meet you
and be like, yeah, you remind me of my It's
like nobody else you are Mike Tyson, the only Mike Tyson.
You're like a unicorn. But I think if we really
look at people, that everybody has these like unique qualities

(48:56):
that that you are given to kind of perform in
the world or whatever your purpose or whatever is. Do
you know what yours are? Like? Have you ever thought
about that? Like, what the things are that are your superpowers?
Make people happy? Yeah, that's why I think it is.
You know, I can't stop by cops and the stuff
for my really yeah, my power if I had a

(49:21):
superpower make people smile? Yeah, when did you realize that?
When did you? Like when the when was the moment
that you like, people tell me said, well, you make
so many people happy, and so there's people tell me
you make so many people, have to make so many
people happy, and you don't try, right, No, I mean
it's it's try to be as humble as possible. Sometimes
I get piste off to them and they know I'm
a human being and the mic get piste off. Mike

(49:44):
is good. People don't say this about Mike. Don't get
Mike ananty. People know they know that, you know. So
I have a lot of good encounters with people. Is
there a superpower that you ever admire and somebody else
that you wish or that you wish you could have u? Yeah,
someone that doesn't react so many they can spit on nothing.

(50:04):
You have to control themselves. Do you know anybody like that?
They're out there like monks. You know there's people out there.
They may have been monks before. They may read about
Buddha or something and they didn't want to receive that life.
May read Nietzchee book. They you know people people read
people what they read, you know who they associate with.

(50:27):
That's how you to find the person. What do you
pray for? Let my kids are healthy, my family is healthy.
That's the ultimate thing, right, Yeah? I love that. See
some grandkids and stuff. Do you have grandkids? I love
to see him. Yeah, I love to see So you're
gonna be the greatest. I think so full time. I

(50:47):
think so too. That it's like boxing a thing in
your family, Like, are you allowed to teach the kids that, yeah,
that's that's not I took the punches that they gonna
have to. Oh. I love that well. I hope that
you have many days out of ten of happiness. This
is one of them. Thank you, baby, Thank you so

(51:07):
much for today. M