Sherri Shepherd On 'The View,' Female Friendship, Divorce, Motherhood & Autism

Actress and comedian Sherri Shepherd joins Angie Martinez to discuss her new children’s book, ‘The Sunshine Queens,’ and the importance of female friendship. They also chat about Barbara Walters, ‘The View,’ life after divorce, dating advice, why it’s okay to be alone, and being a mother to a child with autism. Plus, Angie asks some In Real Life questions.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm actually writing a romance novel, which I've always wanted
to do romance novel. Right now, I want to tell
you I got some sex things for yo, mama.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Oh my god, do.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
You have like a favorite, like a reoccurring girl. I
just had this fantasy for a man, just like walking
down the beach. You know, my wig is whipping in
the wind.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
He looks at my eyes. I look at his eyes.
God know my heart. And it's gonna be some whoa.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
The amazing Cherry remind me of the thought I was just.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Telling you because I write Jaded and the season that
we're But first I must say that she is a
force of nature. A comedian and actress, a daytime talk
show host. She's an Emmy winner and NAACP winner.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
She is a badass.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
She is a mom. She just killed this movie. She
am I Forgetting Anything, a New York Times bestseller. Oh
my gosh, a podcast podcast sir, actually syndicated talk show,
of course, and still.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Don't know her head from her ass.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
We wanted all the ge I'm excited to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
I'm excited too, because I know we don't we haven't
hung out.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
That much time. I was thinking the same thing, like
we gotta hang out, we would have fun.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
But I will tell you the times that we have interacted, yeah,
have been very genuine.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Absolutely, you are real one, So are you. I always
felt that about you and I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
We just run into each other with moments. Is always
very quick, honest conversations about whatever's going. Absolutely, and don't
let us have time at a bar, because the time
we'll see each other.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Be right at the bar time. Like what you think
about this? Think some advice here? Tell me about that.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
We were just what we were just talking about before
being in the season in the season of oh and
you said.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
And I said, a bit jaded, you know?

Speaker 1 (01:55):
And I said, because I don't, you know, at this
season in my life, a lot of stuff does not
impress me like it did when I was in my twenties,
in my twenties, in my thirties.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
What impressed you? You know what?

Speaker 1 (02:04):
I always wanted to be a part of I felt
like if I wasn't a part of the group, that
fear of missing out. So if I was on a
set or somewhere and people were talking, I'd have to
feel like I have to join in and say something witty,
you know, and like I remember being at a home
when when Beyonce had a party for her first perfume
and somehow I managed to get behind that rope and

(02:26):
I was sitting between Beyonce and jay Z and I
didn't feel enough, and so I looked at.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Jay Z and I was like I was in jail.
Looked at me like, okay.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
So I always felt like I had to have a
funny story. Now if I see like a group of people,
I don't feel like I have to join.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
In, I have to want to impress. I don't feel
like I have to impress. I am so good, that's
so good.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
At who I am. I feel like I'm enough and
it's okay, It's okay.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, I'm in a weird season right now.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Show. Let's be really honest, because when you said that
being about Jada, I was like, am I jaded? I
don't think so, but I am not easily impressed with it.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
But ye might be the word. But I will say
on the other.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Side of that lately, because I've seen I've seen some
bad character in people recently, right, and it makes me
I'm so in tune to people who are self aware,
say what they mean, mean what they say, and you
know that's not the norm.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
It's not the norm at all.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
If you meet ten people, you're lucky if one of
those people is self aware, confident in the in the
moment present. And so lately, when I'm in the presence
of those people, I genuinely I feel like I'm genuinely.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Grateful to meet people who are just absolutely who have
done some work on this. They're comfortable, they know who
they are, they say what they mean, they mean what
they say.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, my genuine people
like you know, it's funny. Have you ever been talking
to a person and they look beyond you, like who
else is in the room, And You're like, okay, you know,
probably shit in this conversation. I'm here, You're obviously looking
for somebody way more important, and.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
They just looking around. But I feel the same way too.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
It's just like in this season, I'm going I don't
want to be in situations where it's drama.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
I don't want to you know, I'm not going.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
To beg you for your approval, and you have the
right to Like there was a guy. He was texting
me and then he just ghosted and I was and
everybody was like, you know that butthole and nothing, and
I said, you know what, I'm not. It's okay, You're
not obligated to like me. And I'm not going to
spend a lot of energy on this because that's how

(04:36):
I feel like it's a season of my life. I'm
not spending a lot of energy on unnecessary energy.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
So I'm just like, you know, trying to.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
Make you, trying to appreciate appreciate me, trying to show
you a look and doing a whole clown dance like no, no,
I'm really funny.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
No, no, I'm a great person. I'm not doing all
of that. I know. I am. I know.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
So if it's not you, then out of the way.
It would have been nice if you would have said, okay,
this is not for me.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
But if you didn't, it's.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Okay because you out of the way, and then there's
someone else like energy.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
I'm just really like discerning for energy. This mean you're
in the dating streets right now? Girl? Yes, I am.
I love that. I am. I am. And you say that.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Street girl, what's out here?

Speaker 1 (05:23):
It's well, you know, what I refuse to be because
I know women who are like you know, men ain't
nothing and men don't never.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah, yeah, I'm.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Not like that because I absolutely believe that there is
someone out there. It's only one. There is someone out
there that is either being prepared for me or I
have to go through something to get prepared for him.
But there's somebody out there that I am really ready
to be intentional about committing, you know.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
But until then, Look, you're like you're.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Even smiling and getting when you're talking about it. You
really believe it.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
I love that you don't believe that. But I feel
like if that doesn't happen right now, it's because, Sherry,
you need to do things. I'm so busy right now.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
So it's like, maybe it's just not right now. But
I know that there's one and I'm very excited about
what God is going to bring. And you know, if
you ask me out, let's go out and have a
good time. You know, I'm not pressuring, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
I love that for you. Yeah, So I'm in a
great I'm in a great space.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Are you very locked in and very committed to like
the idea of God's will and God's time, and when
things are for you, you're.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Like, yes, you know that spirituality is right there. And
I'm always praying Angie because I'm like, Lord, don't let
me spend a lot of energy on stuff that I'm
not supposed to be spending it. Don't let me be
running after a person that is I'm not supposed to
be running after.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
So this is what I ask God.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
I go, Lord, if it's not from you, blow this
sucker up, Blow it up quick so that I know
this is from you, and then give me the strength
to walk away. Because sometimes God will blow it up
and you'll be like yeah, but maybe you don't understand, Like,
but he did what he didn't?

Speaker 2 (06:56):
I go, Lord, give me the strength once you blowed
it up.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
And I said, give me a strength to walk away
because I don't want anything to I'm not twenty, okay,
I got a finite amount of time.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
People. What do people say?

Speaker 1 (07:06):
It's more years behind me than it is in front
of me. I look good, I look good, so do you.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Well.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
It's still like it's just like I know, I don't
have a lot of time to be playing around. I
don't have five years looking up five, six, seven years,
and I done, gave you everything.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Here's the thing, here's the thought that I've had.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
I've had this conversation girlfriends recently, especially younger women.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
You get involved or get in relationships with.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
People, and it's about what they believe this person could become. Potential,
the potential you in love with a potent show you
hear me?

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Po ten show? All right? Have you done that? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:48):
When I was in my twenties and my thirties and
my forties, yeah, you're not doing potential.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
And we don't do potential no more.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Now because I know he's like, I know who I am.
I don't want to waste your time. I don't want
you to wait my time.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
I have learned.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
I've been through two very high profile divorces, and let
me take you. When you owe the irs money for
the next decade is what I was making.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
You know.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
It cost me, geez, that second divorce over a million dollars.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
That's the money I could have been saving them for
my son's college education, not that all that money's gone
to the irs. And so I have learned, through very
hard choices and hard consequences, this is what I need.
I'm not gold digger, but you have to be on
some kind of financial level like me. We both got
to have something to.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Lose on an equal partner. I would like an equal partner.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Now every day is not gonna be equal, but that's
what I know, and that's what I So if you
don't have that, it's okay, no harm, no foul. But
I'm not the one for you, and it's okay. So
maybe you're the one for somebody else. I don't you know,
I'm not gonna be trying to you're telling me, well,
all I can afford to do is take you.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
That's not gonna work.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
So potential, though it's not only sometimes about money. Potential
is you believe somebody is going to become i'm a
better version of themselves.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
They are going to shining the town fall vet, they're
gonna do the work.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Because that sounds very that sounds wonderful, And you have
to link up with someone who's on that level as well,
so y'all can help each other grow. So y'all can
help each other build the empire that you want. That
is absolutely beautiful. But at this stage where I am,
I can't help you build, right.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
And then also if they don't ever become that.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
And if you don't build it again, I'm not looking
up in seven years going I have helped this. He
be using my car, driving every I done, helped him
out of a car. I'm not doing all of that.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
And he said, okay, no harm, no foul.

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that it taught you though.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
You know, is very interesting?

Speaker 1 (10:37):
The second marriage at forty three, I was so scared
that I was going to be this old lady with nobody.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
In my life.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Forty three. Okay, at this season my life now, which
is fifteen years later, Girl, I'm good. I wake up
in my brownstone, Jeffrey's upstairs, sleep, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
I don't feel that like, oh my gosh, who am
I without a man? Now? Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
There are we a time and I know this, When
there will be somebody, I'm gonna be great for him,
he's gonna be great for me.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Maybe it's not the time right now, but I feel good.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
You know what I'm more intentional about, really like living
life and traveling with my girlfriends where.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
I'm not looking at them going.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
I got to pick up the check all the time
I travel with women who got we all put our
credit cards down, you know, we all go. You know,
I'm gonna take care to build this time. So I'm
more intentional about traveling. I'm about to go to Italy
with my girlfriend. We're gonna buy a place in Tuscany.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Okay, heard you did? You heard? I heard?

Speaker 1 (11:45):
So that's when we're gonna have the girls trip at
the villa in Tuscany. I am so excited about that.
I'm gonna buy a place in Ghana. Like I just
there's things that I'm doing in this season that I'm
very excited about and I don't have anybody holding me back.
I'm not gonna girl, I gotta be home. But because
you know, if I don't call him, he gonna be.
I don't have to, you know, be with somebody who's

(12:06):
like he wants to walk their red car because he
needs me to talk to this person about his script.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
It's like, I am in a great place. I'm open
for something. But until somebody comes in that opening, that's
the right person. I'm having fun. I love that for you.
I'm having fun and I'm intentional about going out.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
So when people call me, Bevy Smith, call you want
to go out, girl, yes, because otherwise I'd be I'm
gonna need you and be to reach out to the
kid right here, because girl, we call you. When we
was out with Candy Birds, me Bevy and Candy we was.
We was open and acting a fool, acting a complete fool.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
All three of us.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
Where we hung out till probably midnight when we were
having She said midnight like that was crazy, well for
me because I was looking at candy birds like when
we're gonna go home, so they're gonna tired.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
But we had a great time. This season is about
getting out having fun. I don't take things seriously and
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
And I'm also trying to lean into my feminine energy.
So I have to learn the soft in my voice
because right now I'm in boss mode.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
You know, I got two.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Hundred and twenty three people relying on me because as
you for their livelihood. Oh you know, Angie Martinez on
show up, there's a lot of people not working people.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yeah, you said a couple, couple.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
You're not as many as your show, not as many
as the Cherry Sheppard Show, which I'm sure it's a
lot of people.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
But I still am leaning into my feminine energy, so,
you know, talking a little bit softer.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Is that was gonna say? What does it mean? What
does that mean?

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Leaning into your feminine you know, is that required? Because
maybe I need some of that too.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
I think that because we so often that women are
not heard and are not seen, you have to sometimes
make yourself heard and make yourself seen. Like I remember
one time it was told to me I wanted a
certain female on my team and we couldn't find one,
and so the heads up send me an email and said,
don't worry, We'll find the right woman for you. Okay,

(14:02):
hold on, now, I'm not five. That boss thing has gone.
I'm not five years old. I'm not I can. I
want to be a part of this process. I am
going to be a part of this process of finding
the right executive to be alongside me. So it's like
having a boss up and be a little bit firmer.
But I'm still a woman, So I'm still nurturing, I'm

(14:23):
still caring, I'm still compassionate. But I think in the
dating thing, men sometimes ladies, we have to learn how
to switch and turn that boss off. And you know,
because men, and you know this, they want to be respected,
they want to be acknowledged, they want to be supported, you.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Know, so we do, but sometimes I do.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
But I think sometimes coming in and going you know,
with this kind of thing, like what are you doing
it's too much.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
I say, to that man, what are you doing to
allow her to be in her feminine space around you?

Speaker 2 (14:55):
That's absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
So if you if to a man who is not
receiving that man, they have to question what they are,
whatever they're but hopefully you are what kind of space
and you're creating for that woman?

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Right?

Speaker 1 (15:06):
But then I have to because I can't look to
that person to be that thing for me. I'm hoping
that that is a person I will align with, but
I also have to look at me.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
What am I doing to you?

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Know?

Speaker 1 (15:18):
So we're creating a space for each other. That's what
being having discernment is and knowing in this season, seeing
it right away and not thinking, you know what, it'll
be better or maybe he'll change.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
I mean, no, no, no, he's showing you who he is.
That's what that's what you're getting.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
He shows that's what you're gonna be getting for the
next however many years. He's showing you right now. So
leaning into that. But I also leaning into my softness because
it's there. That's one of my superpowers.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
I've just had.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
You always have like a warm wealth kind It's probably
why you've been successful.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
People like you.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
They want to talk to you, they want to be
around you, But I still do I just go, you know,
I just want to make sure that I am in
that space.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
What about in your work in your workspace? Like, yeah,
are you still as motivated and spot like? Because daytime
talk show every like every day every day, people don't.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
Realize what a workload. That's a workload. That's it is.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
It is like you really got to be committed to
what you do.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
It's and this is the fourth season, so it's always
you're having to It's that pressure of having to top yourself.
What are you going to do better than last season?
And unlike being on the View, you have four of
the women. If you call in sick on the View,
it's somebody that can take your place because it's ninety
two of those women that sit at the take.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
You know, if you are when it's.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
The Sherry Show, I can't get sick because if I
get sick, it's a lot of people. There's no camera
men that need to come in, no sound people, no
light people, no hair and makeup. That's people's lively, a
lot of brush. There are people who depend on me
to keep myself together, to come in every day at work.
So it's a lot of work, but it doesn't feel

(17:09):
like it because I love it, like I still love it.
I love it so much, you know, to be able
to come out. And I always pray, God, show people.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
The side of you. When I'm standing behind the doors
and they're going, you want to have.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
A good time, I go, God, show people the side
of you that they don't get to see much. And
that's the God that loves to laugh, Like, that's the
God who wants to laughs till his stomach or her
stomach hurts. Show them that side of you. Meet people
in their hurting place with love and laughter. Bless them
to feel better than when they came. Show them that

(17:42):
side of you through me. You can't help, but like, go.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
In and have a good time. It's a great prayer
to go into.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
To have a job where your only assignment is to
make people feel good. What a job to have, that's all,
God says. I want them to feel good.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
What happens when you because you can't be good all
the time, right, because life has seasons, you have challenges.
This thing that happened, how do you push through those moments?
Like what makes you go out I mean, I know
the prayer probably helped, right, But when you're in those
moments and you have to show up on that level.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
And you have you got to pick yourself up. And
I've been through those moments, it's like, do you always deliver?
It's really my spirituality, It truly is my faith in
God that this is temporary. You always have to believe
this is not where I'm going to stay. This is
not a place that is a permanent place that I'm
going to resign in it. This is the place that

(18:37):
I'm going through. I'm going through it to come to
the other side. It's a lot of you know, self
talk of maybe I am supposed to be what am
I supposed to be learning in this season? Where am
I supposed to regroup? Where do I need to course correct?
I'm thankful that God gave this blessing of a talk
show to me in this season. I got it at
fifty four. I don't know who gets talk shows at

(18:59):
this age.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Who gets talk shows? And oh yeah, they don't even
give our talk shows anymore. But I remember the season
everybody was getting a talk.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
If you got one laugh, they give you a talk.
It's a lot harder you know. But for me, I'm
just like am I supposed to be course correcting? I
heard a pastor say one time, and sometimes God doesn't
give you to make that dream come true. Sometimes he
allows you to go through the fire because when the
reality of that dream comes, you have to know how

(19:28):
to get out of the crash and burn. You got
to know how to you know, get up, brush your
shoulders off so you can continue. But so many people
get things so early and they crash because they don't
know how to handle when they fall. So for me,
I'm just like you know what, I've learned not to
overthink things, Angie. Sometimes I say stuff on that show
and I go, oh, what are they gonna think?

Speaker 2 (19:48):
What they think about you? That's one thing they.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Not thinking, and if they were by tomorrow, it's gonna
be something else that they think.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
For two days from now. Two days now, it's rare
anything less more.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Than a couple absolutely, And I go, if I didn't
harm anybody, I'm probably overthinking it. And I've learned to
brush my shoulders off. Sometimes I'm doing now, I do
something different on my show. I come out and do
stand up in front of the crowd. That's different I
don't sit in my chair. I come out and I
do straight stand up for four minutes.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
I did a bit the other day. It was bombing.
Wasn't nobody laughing, so Sherri, they hear the thing in
my head.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
I was like, God, put you here. It wasn't like
he didn't notice what's gonna happen. Calm down, Slow down,
because if you start speeding up, it sounds like you're nervous.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Slow down. They're enjoying you. They're enjoying you.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
It might not be going the way you want it,
but they still like you. And it just kind of
calmed me down. I stopped overthinking, Wait, is this going
on while you're doing it?

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Oh? Yeah, I'm talking in the middle of your monologue.
This is the conversation. Help talk in my head. Yes,
Oh my gosh, I don't here laughing. Oh my god,
look at that girl who just staring at me. She's
not even smiling. In my thoughts, I go, maybe she's
just enjoying what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
She don't have to laugh.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
That's a lesson for everybody, because everybody has a voice
inside there all times. And then we meet people in
the streets. We meet people at work, or the lady
in the office gets on your nerves. You have no
idea what's going on in her. You know, maybe she's
sitting there.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Thinking, nobody in this room likes me, nobody's and we're looking.
It happens to me sometimes. I just said this to
Brittany the other day.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
I was like, sometimes a guest will come in and
they'll be like a little reserved, and I think, oh,
they hate these questions, they hate the way this is
going on. And then it'll pick up and things get better,
and then later they'll say, oh God, thank you, I
was so nervous, right, And I go, oh, they were nervous.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
They were nerves.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
But in my mind, I think they don't want to
be here, they don't enjoy this conversation. I'm already having
those like what's happening here?

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Okay, just keep going. But you just never know what
another person has going on, or you don't know what
you know what their defense mechanism is. Another prayer that
I always pray is I'm like, Lord, show me that
person the way you see them. And sometimes I'll get wow,
they're very lonely, or you know, they're shy, or they're

(22:01):
it's just like you love them too, so how do
you see them? Let me instead of making those assumptions
about somebody that's really good, you know, and imagine we
all did that because there's so much there's so much
judgment these days. I don't like this person. They don't
like what I like, so I don't like them, or
absolutely it's.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Just judgment at every everybody's all day judging everybody all day.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Sometimes you might see somebody just staring at you and
they're just thinking of something else, you know, it just
so happens they're not thinking about you.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
But imagine every time we stopped ourselves before we had them,
we judge somebody or disliked somebody, or made an opinion
about somebody, if we stopped ourselves and said, God, show
me them the way you see them, the way you
see them, Yeah, how different the world would be.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
How different the world would be, and how different you
might know. It might be a friend that you make it.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
But I wanted to say another thing when you asked
me when you go through it, I think you have
to have really good girlfriends. I think you for me
being a woman, like for men, I will say, you
gotta have some really strong men, friends that keep you accountable.
If I were a man, but as a woman, I leave.
You have to have some really good girlfriends in your life.
Tell me a time, Oh gosh, when I was going
through my second divorce, and I'm gonna say this name

(23:07):
because everybody knows her. I was working on the show
sole Man with Cedric the Entertainer and niece Nash. I
was flat broke because I hadn't worked on the view
of the year.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
They had let me go. Like I was going through
this very expensive and very high profile divorce. Google it,
That's all I got to say.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
And I needed money because I had a son who
has special needs, So any job.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Girl was taking jobs cooking shows.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
I don't know how to cook. I don't know the
right words to cook. All I kept saying on this
cooking show, I did ooh, this tastes good. But I
had a cooking show.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
You know.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
I was doing whatever I can could to keep my
son together, keep the mortgage paid. And I took a
job on soul Man, and I flew back and forth
like twice a week to do soul Man, and I
got served papers like at a comedy club.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
You know, that's the thing. When you were serving somebody
go through divorce, you want to do it in.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
The most humiliate that person in the most way you
I don't know, in the in the best way you can.
But I remember I had gotten served, and I was
just like, I can't do this anymore. All I'm trying
to do is take care of my son. I gotta smile.
Nobody knows what I'm going through.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
You gotta go up there and tell Joel.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
I gotta tell jokes. Everybody hates me because they think
I was a certain way.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
They don't know me. And I'm reading these comments, and
you know, I can't.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Get a brand deal because advertisers don't like any scandal. No,
they don't have any jobs. And I remember going to
niece's room and she said, hey, David, and I just
started crying.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
I fell on the floor and I just sobbed, and
all I felt was her getting on the floor next
to me and she just held me.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
She held me. I got snot all on Niece's leg
and she just held me or rocked me back and forth.
And I was like, I can't do this no more.
I'm not a bad person. What did I do? And
just cried and she just helped me and I was
just going through it.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
I mean, it was just like it was a very
high profile divorce that I find that it's just a
moment because I feel like there's a lot of people
going through a lot of shit right now. People are
having trouble with jobs, money, relationships, whatever. I just know
a lot of people is going through really dark shit.
And so when I think of you in that moment,

(25:15):
and it's even in a movie straw, it's.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Like, you know, that's arise your diog when I tell
you everything happened to her in the first fifteen minutes,
Like what else?

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Listen this People out there in those moments, and those
those are critical, critical moments. And so yes, you have
this friend that puts her arms around you in that
singular moment. But then you have to get up and
I'm sure you went back on stage right.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, you get up and you do it.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
But that's what you need in that moment. I have
friends who are like, you know, you have those friends
who hear directly from God. They would be like, girl,
I was in the shower and God told me to
tell you. When they offered me this show, I didn't
want to leave LA because my village for Jeffrey was
in Los Angeles, the autism centers because he had just
gotten diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder. Like everything was in LA.

(26:01):
I finally gotten my village back together. Now I got
to go back to New York. And my girlfriend said
to me, she said, God said to tell you New
York is not for you, Sharry, It's for Jeffrey, because
that's where he will find his independence. When I tell you,
this boy is on uber. He takes the train to school,
he goes to get his hair cut like he's on
the spectrum. So I've let him go to Brooklyn by

(26:22):
himself and said to him, was like, Hallelujah, jesus'a not
gonna be a I'm speaking in tongue, so I'm like,
my baby's in Brooklyn. I'm looking at my phone because
I got the locate.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
I see his head. Just spin it.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
You could tell where you're son. He just headed, Just
spin it. He go this way, he go that way,
and I go, he's lost.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
I got a call up, and then he'll right himself
and make it to the train station. He is finding
his independence here. So I needed that girlfriend because I'm
so protective of my son because you don't want the
world to hurt your child.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
And he's twenty Angie.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
If you look at my son, you will automatically see
this boy is you know, he's a young kid. He
operates at a different mental level. But to others he
looks like a grown man with sideburns and a beard
coming in. So he must be this type and you
don't want anybody to judge him. So I always am
very protective. But my son, literally him being here, do

(27:16):
nothing affect him. He's so light, he's so happy, go lucky.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
He said.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
I was on a train, Mommy, and this man he
was sleep next to me and he woke up and
he looked at me and he said, what are you
doing here?

Speaker 2 (27:26):
And I said, Jeffrey, what did you do? He went,
I said, bro.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
He shrugged his shoulders like whatever, bro, and he went
back to listening to his music.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
But how do you prepare him?

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Do you have?

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Because so funny? Who was I talking?

Speaker 3 (27:39):
I had Cardi be here Cardi episode and you know,
she's the boy mom, and we were talking about the
things that we tell girls versus being a boy mom
and how you prepare and One of the things she
wanted to tell make sure her son knows is about
like dating.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
So she was saying, when a girl says no in
any type of way, no, it's no.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
And I just you know, I'm a boy mom too,
So that's commons I've had to have about the people
you choose in your life.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Relationships, friends is a big thing. I always try to
tell them.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
And also, you know, you got to first and foremost,
you got to be a good person, right, You got
to treat people how you want to be treating it,
say what you mean and mean what you say. But
also when you have a child who, like you said,
has special needs, yeah, there's probably so many things.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
You have to prepare him for so much and I
feel like I got five minutes left to teach him
about Life's I got five minutes.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
He's on his own.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yes, you know, even now, he feels like I'm nagging
him all the time. And it's so sometimes it's very scary,
you know, Like Jeffrey had to even though he's on
the spectrum, he had to register for the military. That
was something that I didn't think about because at the
time he had to be registered at eighteen.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
They said I was trying to get him out.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Of it, but there was like, you know, you a celebrity,
so either he could go to jail or be fined
a lot of money. You could be a scapegoat. So
I had to register my son and they said, don't worry,
we're not in an active war. An active war, so
if any thing happened, we would, you know, do the
mental test, the emotional tests, and we gonna set them home. Well,

(29:10):
now with this administration, I don't know what's about to happen.
I know, I wake up out of my sleep terrified. Well,
my son is registered for the military. It's hard explaining
to him what's going on now, you know, about the government,
because he just looks at things in black and white,
right and wrong. And I'm just like, I don't want

(29:31):
anybody to take advantage of my son, because Jeffrey doesn't
read bad energy.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
He's just like happy, go lucky. So you know, you
don't want them to get hurt.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
But sometimes, you know, we are where we are because
we got hurt, you know, because we had to go
through some stuff.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
So what do I tell my son. I try to just.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Teach him to be an amazing person. I really work
on accepting his differences. I had to mourn why he
wasn't like me. My son doesn't like attention. He stopped
me from talking about him on stage. I am forbidden
to say his name, to give any experiences. I said,
you are my money. I don't have a man in

(30:13):
my life. It's just you, like all I talk about it,
and he said, no, I'm not a story. So I've
had to respect that because so I just try to
teach him, you know, Jeffrey, just you know, be a
good kind person. I told him the other day, I said,
if the police stop you, you must tell them that

(30:34):
you're autistic and that you need to call your mom.
He said, I'm not autistic. I'm not a label mom.
And I'm like, oh my gosh, Jeffrey. But if something
like that happens and he goes and the police aren't
going to stop me, So I don't want.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
To put the fear of God into my son. Yeah,
but you want to prepare. But I want to prepare him.
But he's so like and that's what he believes. His
heart is so pure. He's like, that's not going to happen.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
I know that I have friends who have kids the spectrum,
and there's a I always think it's like a gift
in a curson where he says challenges and blessings.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
But there's such a purity. It's such a purity about
the way they maneuver, at least the ones that I know.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
I'm sure everyone's different. The children I have been around,
there's such a purity in how they move around the
world and how.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
They move around in life. And I go, well, maybe Father,
he knows something. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
He's manifesting something, you know that what might be true.
And that's what my girlfriend said when I go through
it with about Jeffrey. She said, God told me to
tell you who knows best. Who knows Jeffrey best? His
mother or the one who created him. That had me
laid out on the floor stuff. I literally have to say, Lord,

(31:42):
I just.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Entrust my son to you. Of the you know, I
don't remember nothing, but I just trust this word to you.
What about what has been the greatest joy about that part?

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Like what has been the biggest blessing of that of
raising a child who's on the spectrum?

Speaker 2 (31:59):
And then the most challenge, the.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
Biggest blessing is Jefferies taught me to be fearless. Jeffrey's
taught me to advocate for myself because I have to
advocate for him. And if I can't advocate for myself,
I have to be able to you know, I can't
advocate for him, you know, Like it's a real thing
about black boys being in school and the way that
you know, prison and the pipeline pipeline in prison and

(32:23):
how they are treated, and they need we need more
male teachers of color in there, and that black boys
get in trouble more, you know, because you got people
who don't understand them. And I remember there was an
incident at school and they were like, we gonn have
to put in this file, and I had to step
up and go, no, you're not, because that's not Jeffrey's fault.
That's not no, no, that's not my son. We gonna
we're gonna talk about this. I'm coming in, you know.

(32:51):
That's always I never like any kind of come what
do you call it confrontation. I was raising a religion
where we didn't do confrontation. So having a step up
up to advocate from my son, you know, has been
a big one. But it's been also wonderful. It's been
a challenge. You know, a child on the spectrum, they
repeat things thirty forty times. They have meltdowns, things that

(33:15):
look that you might look at with my son going
I can't believe you let him say that.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Jeffrey doesn't know.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
The difference between tone, so he might so I might go,
Jeffrey doing He thinks that's just like a regular you
don't understand disrespectful. So I have to teach him that,
you know, And so somebody else might look at it
and go, I can't believe he was doing that, But
I know that that's his spectrum.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
It's called stacking.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
Like if Jeffrey sees something you if you see a
dangerous situation, you'll go, wait a minute, they're doing this.
Then you stack it with another thought, I need to
do this because they were doing that. Then you stack
it with another thought. So he doesn't do that. With
his disorder, he sees it and he still goes and says, hey, bro,
you know right, it's a dangerous situation. So I had

(33:59):
to except this is my son. I had to accept
his little quirky ways. I had to accept, Sherry, he
will say the same thing to you thirty two times,
and he will have meltdowns. And I said, Jeffrey, do
I frustrate you?

Speaker 2 (34:17):
He went, yes, every day, all day. You always want
to come in. You keep going, Jeffrey, how you doing, Jeffrey?
I love you, Jeffy. How was school? Jeffy?

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Did you pull your plans on? Jeffrey didn't take a shot.
Jeffy did and I was like, okay, watch your tone.
Then he goes what I've had to accept that is
my son. I've had to accept that my son, who
was born the same time as Garcel Bouvet's kids and
the same time as Boris Kojo's son.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
They're all in college right now.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
They're all it's a little click not click bad, but
they've all grown up together, all the Hollywood kids. I've
had to accept my son is a little different, so
he probably doesn't fit in like they would. I'm not
going to Howard unpacking Jeffrey's stuff, And sometimes I wonder
what would he have been like if he didn't have autism.

(35:08):
And I've learned to go but he's just like who
he is, and he's a beautiful kid, and he's sober,
and he loves me, even though he wants to be
away from me. So that's probably been the biggest challenge
of going. You know, Jeffrey's father is a stand up comic.
I'm a stand up comic. But that boy in more
bad moods than anybody ever.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
He don't want nothing to do with comedy, with no jokes.
He don't want nothing.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
But if you say to Jeffrey, what are people most
people say about Jeffrey? He's so funny, He's got this
dry sense of humor, but he wants nothing to do
with what his mother and father do, And I go,
what are you gonna do? He ain't gonna be no
rocket scientist. So that's the challenge of acceptance and accepting

(35:52):
that just he is who he is, and accepting that
you know what he's going to be. Okay, I wake
up a lot terrified, going is the world going to
treat my son? And they're gonna see my son out innocent?
He is that even though his face Jeffrey will say,
I'm crying inside, mom, But will they see that that

(36:13):
purity in this boy that is now twenty one. Because
I can't speak for him no more, Angie. People get
on the phone, we were talking to Social Security. I'm
gonna just tell you a story and we will move on.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
But like, I can't.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
I think of my son as a thirteen, so I
can't speak for him. So we have to talk to
the Social Security Office. And they said, miss Sheppard, we
can't talk to you.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
He's twenty.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
We just talked to mister Tarpley, and I said, he
don't know his head from his ass, like, I'm the one.
You gotta talk to me, and they said, no, we
have to talk to him. So the first thing they
said to him, they said, what is your sex? He goes, well,
I'm not having it right now, but when I'm twenty four.
My mom said, what I'm twenty four, I'm having a
lot of sex. And I'm sitting there going, you see,
this is why I want to talk. And they said,
do you do drugs? He goes, not yet, but twenty four,

(36:54):
I'm getting hot. I'm going to see strippers and it's
gonna be lit. Mom, I'm gonna be out there in
the streets like and so a call that would have
taken twenty minutes. Two hours, yeah, two hours, And I
was just sitting here, but I can't talk for him anymore.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Does he make you laugh? I just sit there and
I go.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
You're so funny when I tell you I can have
an HBO special from the stuff that I go through
with my son.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
But even that that he forbids me to talk about me.
But maybe when he turned to twenty four, he'll change
his mind. I hope so, girl, because I got funny stuff.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
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kept going off.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
I had to put them on silent.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
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(38:03):
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Speaker 2 (39:46):
What are you going to do about the dating? Is
he dating it? You say, twenty four, he's allowed to
know he was date dating? How is that? How does
that go? Because that must be tricky and scary?

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Girl, it's so hard because you know he meets certain
girls at the school he goes too, and you know,
he just he likes girls. And I told him, I said, well,
you could go to your prom. When he didn't have
a date for a prom, I said you could take niece,
Nash's daughter, Dia. He said, how old is she? I
said she's twenty one. He goes, oh my gosh, she's
so old.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Why he fixing me up with these old women? Twenty one.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Jeffrey was like eighteen, what so, yes, he's dated. He
just broke up with the girl. He said, I just
it was some word that these kids used today. But
he was like, I needed a break. I said, what
did you tell her? He goes now, and I goes, Jeffrey,
that's ghosting. You can't ghost a girl.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
He was like, why, I just need a break. You
know she need a break too, So I made him
call her.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
But the one little girl kept calling him all the time,
like every thirty seconds, and he was getting so stressed.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
So one day she called him. He picked up the phone.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
He said, yeah, hey, this is Jeffrey's mom. You're call
him Jeffrey too much. And she goes, Hi, I'm miss Sherry.
I like your wig and he goes yeah, yeah, yeah,
don't get distracted. But you call hi Jeffrey too much.
Stop calling him so much.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
And she goes okay. He goes okay, bye. I said, Dave,
you never changed your voice. He's like, she thought it
with you. Oh my god, you've seen the Story's gonna
kill you. He's gonna kill god this much about it.
It is because you make it too easy to talk
to Angie he was mean. I wouldn't open up about nothing.

(41:17):
Why would I be mean? What could be easier? Then
I keep my mouth shut? Listen, I have an I
r L.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
But oh we have very life today questions. Our I
r L bowl in real life questions, conversation starters. Let's
see take take a question in the bulls, see what
you get? I want Cardi B's questions bring out that bowl.
Like with the question they was asking Cardi By, it says,
what are some of your pet peeves and triggers? I'll

(41:43):
tell you one thing on the show that I cannot take.
We get a lot of interns, you know, and I
do not like people who walk around me with no smile.
That because I go if I got to smile every day,
then you need to smile. But one time I learned
about one of the interns because I had to literally
tell her when I come in, I need to see
you smiling, because that's what our job is. People who

(42:04):
come into the building need to see smiles, and damn it,
if I got to get out there every day, you
bets be smiling.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
But then I found out later after she left, or
not right before she left, that she was you know,
she came from a very beautiful home. She made her
way through the world. She was very shy.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
She was on her first job. She was really kind
of intimidated around me. Then I felt bad. I was like,
oh my gosh, I ain't this.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
So then I had to go and do it differently,
and I told her, I say, your smile is gonna
be your money because you have a beautiful smile, and
your smile says so much. It lets people know you're
approachable and when you you know, I more was a mentor.
You know, when you get a job, a smile.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Says so much.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
And then when I tell you she live up like
a Christmas tree, then she couldn't stop talking, Miss Shared,
Miss Share.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
No, it's true though, what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
And I understand that why especially because when you do
a job like you do, it's like the energy is
really important. If you walk into the room and the
energy is bad, how are you supposed to makes your
job twice as hard, makes my job twice to light
up the audience. When when the energy you're not good,
it's not good exactly. So I totally get that.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
So that was the one.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
I don't have too many pet peeves. You don't have
too many things that trigger me. Ex husbands who serve me.
That's when I'm at a comedy club, when I'm in
my car and they just throw it through the window
to dag on subpoena.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
That's definitely triggered with me. You know, I don't like people.
I like people. I like these young kids walk like
you got something on your mind. That's what my mother
used to say. I feel like these kids today, like
y'all don't understand a hustle. It's something that do. But
like the majority like, we went too crazy with the hustle.
We went crazy.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
We were crazy with Oh my gosh, I didn't even
look at my cards today. It's that you're so good
show because you do this for a living. I never
stopped talking.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Look at me. I could literally not even ask a like,
we can just sit here. We can sit here and
just talk and have a conversation for four hours.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
This is what we would at the bar, except we
wouldn't be watering our glass age.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
It shouldn't be water in a glass today because I
couldn't used the cocktail today that I had.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
The career, I mean, the career is going, I mean,
is it not a scale of one to ten. It's gone.
You would say a ten. Yes, I say it's really good.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
I say it's you know, I wish I could do more,
but you know, I got to do a movie that
was like a huge movie, and you know, I get
I'm doing what I love for a talk show. I'm
about to start a twenty city comedy tour. I mean
I'm writing. You know, I got children children's but I'm
actually writing a romance novel, which I've always wanted to do.

(44:39):
Romance novel right now, That's why.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
You need a new boot, so he could be like
a subject like he could. Oh girl, I got fantasies
in my mind that I can hold on paper. I
don't even need a man for that. You know how
many fantasies is rumming around in my mind right now?

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Very very I got when I say I got some
sex things for your mama, Oh my god, no man
for that.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Do you have a reoccurring one? Do you have like
a favorite, like a reoccurring girl?

Speaker 1 (44:57):
I just said this fantasy of a man just like
walking down the beach with cream linen pants rolled up
to his knees and like that's my favorite place on
the beach, the beach, you know, my wig is whipping
in the wind, and he just comes and he's just
and it's just on from there.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
He looks at my eyes. I look at his eyes.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Oh heard you like, oh my gosh, just dark chocolate,
just oh my gosh. And then after that the fantasy
woo living rent free in my head. And it's gonna
be all in my book when I tell you, I know,
we know what God know my heart and it's gonna
be some WHOA is that already in the works. It's
already happened in the book.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Yes it is, Yes it is, and I'm very excited
about it.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
I'm about to take it, start taking my Italian lessons
because I told you I'm buying.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
That. When I think about your career and the different
uh just the different phases of it and all the
things you've done, what would you say is the hot
the high, the high moment and the low moment? Like
what what was the best moment for you in your career?

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Is it now?

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (45:57):
My god? What is what is what is your peak?
And what is your what has been your what was
the worst time and the best time of your career?

Speaker 1 (46:05):
I had so many wonderful moments, and I've been blessed
to work with so many wonderful people. Every moment is
a high when I'm blessed to get something it.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
You know they're doing it.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Everybody Loves Raymond kind of documentary and I got to
be on that, and I was like, so thankful because
I had a.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Great time on Everybody Loves Raymond.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
When I was on thirty Rock, I met Tracy Morgan
and I had a ball on that show, you know,
the talk show that I'm on every day when I
did The View, So I've had really wonderful highs. I
don't feel like I've reached my peak, but I'm so
thankful for the journey. The Low's Girl. I had a

(46:47):
lot of lows on The View people. You know, when
I first got on The View, black women love me.
They you know, I had these high Q scores. Then
one day Barbara Watters and Bill Getty called me in
the office. It was like, every black woman hates you
because I didn't know if I said I didn't know
if the earth was around her flat. I made mistakes
publicly and it was like, and by the way, I

(47:07):
do know the Earth is round. I was just very,
very nervous, and.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
You sit next to Barbara Walters and wood Be gold Burn. Yeah,
I was.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
So I've had my own experiences. Yes, yes you have,
gust on this. Did you get kicked out of the table.
I didn't get kicked out.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Of the table. I got I had a very awkward
moment with Barbara one time. She was a hard cookie.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
She was a hard cookie, and I was a hard cookie.
But I was there in a soft capacity because I
was a guest and also I.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Was you know, so she caught me off guard.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Yeah, a lot of people got caught off guard who
were against because you would see the you would see
the woman who has ten most fascinating people. She'd be
walking through the guard and may be crying, you know,
she'd get him to cry. And then then it was
the reality of you said, right next to her, she
was tough like she was, She wasn't fat person who's
walking through the garden arm in arm with somebody and

(47:58):
they're sharing all of their secrets and I don't know,
why are you making me cry? This is a different
lady at the view. So it was that way with
a lot of the guests. They came home, they was
like you somebody thrown cold water in their face.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
And actually I just remembered the moment with you. With you,
I had had an experience with Barbara that wasn't amazing.
As a young you just happy to be there. It
wasn't amazed. She was.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Her tone with me was like and then I kind
of was like, yo, I'm not like, You're not that one.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Yeah, But also I was respectful because I was in
her house and I was so I was torn and
tormented with how I was going to handle this situation.
And I believe I saw you in the hallway this
is coming to me now, and you had said something
like you know, she she's she's going through some I
don't know. It was like a time, but there was
something happening at the time, but you just let me

(48:50):
know like it wasn't me, right, it's not you.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
I would tell you you're okay.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
You said that to me, and I was like, all right,
so this is not it's not a special thing that's
happening here. This is just her world and how she operates.
But you were gracious enough to like, I don't know,
just come and like almost put your arm on me.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Like I was fine at the view that did that
to the guests, because I think they would be thrown
a lot. And I would always go and let guests know,
don't take anything personal, like it's not you. I would
let the producers know some every producer would have a
day with Barbara where they would come out in tears
because she was very, very this is exactly what I

(49:30):
want and it wasn't. Sometimes it was not the most
compassionate or the nurturing. That's not the world wasn't used
to describe Barbara Walters. And I would tell the producers
we all have our days like that. There are days.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Robert looked at me one day and she was like,
did read a book and just walked away? Barbara? She
was like, she goes read a book deer and walked away.
And I was like, I know, she just didn't she
what what you know?

Speaker 1 (49:55):
And I would tell people it literally, don't take a
personal That was one of those things. It was like, Lord,
show me this woman the way you see her. And
I saw a lot of things, you know, relationships that
weren't their splintered, relationships with people that she loved.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
That were not. You know, I just saw a lot
of So it made me have a lot more compassion.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
But also she would you know, I'd have that when
Barbara and I would go out to eat was one
of the most wonderful times of my life. When it
was just her and I, I wanted to crawl in
bed and have a sleepover. That's when you got to
see that vulnerable.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Box she had. She was she had multiple sides.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
She had multiple sides, and we would go to dinner
it would be like, oh my gosh, I just want
to have a sleepover.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
The next day, I come in with that thing and
she would stab me right in there.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Can I be like what?

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Like, I just wanted to growl a band with.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
You and have it.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
And you know, she would say something to me and
I'll be like, okay, wow, you cut me.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
So there were a lot of stuf explaining, but I
did let people, no, please don't don't take it personally.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
That was very sweet of you though.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Barbara also, you know, because she was getting older, having
different co hosts at the table was jarring, you know,
because you have to get to know them. You gotta
find a groove like it. Sometimes, you know, as we
get into seasons, that's harder for us to accept new
people into the circle. You know who you know, and

(51:23):
now there's somebody different, especially as you get older, and
you like what you like the way you like it,
the way you're like, this is the way. Now I'm
looking up because they don't remember things the way younger
people do.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
I go through that Angie all the time.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
In my show, I go, Lord, why you give me
the show at this age? And you know, I can't
remember shit nothing. I was sitting there across from lorenz
Tate and he was talking and I go, who is this?

Speaker 2 (51:50):
I swear my mind just like what Blake? And I said,
I'm oh, dog, I know, I know him, I know.
And then it came to me, okay, this lorenz Tate
that but that could be menopause. That could have been menipause.
I don't care what it was. But it wasn't good
on that couch at that moment.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
You know that.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
But that's actually that's probably menopause.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
But that's what I'm saying, you know, It's like, it's
like sometimes we have to give great but that's what
after I pray, Lord, show me this woman the way
you see her, because I think she's very harsh on me.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
I think and I saw this is.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
A woman who's in a season of her life where
it's competition of younger people coming in.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Sometimes, even in the season in your life, you don't
want to be called legend. You don't want to be
called that.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
You don't want to have people treating you like you're
about to die, you know, And sometimes you get overlooked
when you're in a season in your life, and so
a lot of this and being older and not remember
who a person was and not remember all of this
stuff that I might remember about this Agie Martinez.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Yeah, you know, and that's so.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
Funny you say that, because you know what, I did
have that not so great experience with her. But there
was another time I was on and we were walking
out and I didn't shaken it off. Yes, I wasn't
whole thing onto it. I was like a little disappointed
because people always, like in the hip hop world, people.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Would always be like, You're like the Barbara Walters of
hip hop, and I'd be like, I'm not a stank face.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
I never wanted to say anything disrespectful because I respect
her so much, you know, But I did have that experience.
But then another time I went back on and we
were going out. It was I don't remember who the
other holes were at the time. When we were walking
out and she took my hand because I was kind
of like going so on. I was like a little
not insecure, but yes, insecure. I was a little like,
you know, this is not my world.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Yes, I just don't want to say anything crazy, you know.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
So I felt and I think she felt that energy
and she like held my hand and she walked out
holding my hand as we walked.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
In, and you're like, wait a minute. It was very loving.
It was like a very loving, same woman, same So
I was like, okay, she just.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Yeah, I think a lot of it was she was
her getting older. Yeah, she didn't want to retire.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
That Barbara did.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
I don't care how many newscasters were walked out and
paid homage. Barbara didn't want to retire. Yeah, she wants
to keep doing what she did. But also, you know,
this is an industry. It's not kind to you as
you age, and so this is a woman who was
going through all of that of not being seen, of
trying to get the interviews that she would have gotten,
like veed, but because they were younger, you know, a

(54:12):
journalist and they wanted to meet with them, they wanted me,
you know. So it's like it was a season that
she was going through that she might not have been
the most caring or compassionate to guess that came in,
and like I said, it was jarring every day to
look up. I was doing Dancing with the stars, and
she was getting irritated because there was always somebody sitting
in for me, you know. And that and Barbara was consistent.

(54:36):
So that's what I saw, you know. Well, when Jeffrey
would would walk in her room, he'd say, nobodys supposed
to go in Barbara Watster's room, and he running the
room and go babla, and she turned around. Her whole
body would turn around and she'd go yes, dear, and
he goes, I love you, give me a kiss.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
He secured my job for another three years. She loved Jeffrey,
you know. So she hooked me up with the Glintons.
They had a found. She gave money to Jeffrey's school.
She showed up.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
That was a woman who like she treated him like
he was her own grandchild. So you know, sometimes people
like you say they give off something, but we never
know what somebody is going through. In their world and
women who are getting older, it's that's that's hard sometimes
in this industry where they want to put you out

(55:26):
the pastor fuck that.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Yeah, I'm with you, mama, I'm with you. All right,
let's go in real life questions. You ready, we'll see
what we got here for you. Oh look, there's a
card here. I didn't even look at the cards. And
Barbara Walters, this is you. Said that Barbara Walters helped
me find my voice. Most definitely. I talk like this

(55:48):
because of Barbara Walters. I used to I used to go,
take a little time to enjoy the view. And Barbara said, look, dear,
lower your voice because it appears that you are confident
when your voice is lower. Speak slowly, because that when
you talk fast, you look nervous, you look desperate.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
And I start.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
I got in the mirror and I was like, take
a little time, take a little time, take a little
time to enjoy the view. And I tell that to
my little I call it my little that does hit
different It does hit differently when you when you are
talking with that bass in your voice. And I tell
it to my little elves at the job I call
my interns and my PA's the girls because they were
coming to go miss Sherry, would you like something to eat?
And I go, lower that voice, get it deeper, talk slower.

(56:32):
So they come and go miss Sherry, would you like
something to eat?

Speaker 2 (56:34):
And I go.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
You see how that sounds sounds more authoritative, sounds more
Now you can speak up. They got the bravado.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
You learn that from now. I do have to have
voice when around the man. I'll be like, you ordered
all this, c you should? You should try the other
the slow voice on the man. It might actually work.
Slow voice all right in real life?

Speaker 3 (56:54):
My love?

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Yes, what are you most proud of about yourself?

Speaker 3 (56:59):
What am I?

Speaker 2 (57:00):
I'm most proud of about myself being.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
Able to go out in front of an audience and
be authentically me. I used to be so scared of
audiences being a stand up comic. I was terrified of
audiences because I was afraid of getting heckled. I was
afraid that people wouldn't like me. My face would immediately

(57:25):
go to that person who wasn't smiling I was. I
just was afraid, and I remember getting heckled. I had
made up a line about my breast because they were
real big, and people would always heckle me, especially the
black clubs about you know, I go, hey, y'all, how
you doing it?

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Somebody would be like them big ass titties. It's bigg
ass titties. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
And I made up a heclar line that I had
worked on that said, you know what, you have to
put these titties on lay away. And it didn't come
out right, Angie, and everybody started bulling me. Everybody at
the Townhouse in La on Latti Hair and Sentinella.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
They started bulling me, and I cried. I still got
to tears on my journal. I cried so much and D. L.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Hughley said where are you going? And I said, I'm
not coming back and he said, if you don't come back,
you ain't never getting back on the stage again. You
gotta come back, because that's what a comic k is.
You get back on that stage. And I got back
on that stage and I did better than Joe Tory
was the host. He talked about me like you know, y'all, lord,
he talked about me, so I love joke. And I
had to get back up on that stage and I

(58:28):
had to learn how to deal with my people, cause
black folks they don't be Black people, not gentle like
white crowds will give you that extra two minutes to go, hey,
how you doing, and they give you that extra time.
Black people like I didn't spend all this money on drinks,
on these ticket prices. You better come with a dog
on rapid fire, you know delivery, You better come with

(58:50):
these jokes.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
They don't.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
And I was always so scared, oh you know, and
I had to really work on that and get back
on that stage as many times as I bomb.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
But that's how I got the respect of you know.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
The comics that I came up with, the Joe Torris,
the DLS, the Cat Williams, you know, the Chelsea Handlers.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
So I think I'm the most proud of my growth
as a stand up comic.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
When they told me they wanted me to do stand
up on my show, I was terrified because I it's
always a thing of what if nobody laughs? What if
I have a party and nobody comes, What if I
stand out there and start doing this material and nobody
likes it?

Speaker 2 (59:28):
But going Sherry, you've been doing this for a long time.
You got this, You've gotten on stage, you rock, you headline,
you do ninety minutes.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
You sell out shows, you sell out casinos, you get
the respect of other.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
You can do this.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
I love that you beat that though, Like when do
you tell a young woman somebody who's afraid to do
something that they love to do.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
I say, do it's scared. Do it's scared, you know,
because you're going to be terrified. But you know what,
on the other side of fear is where all of
the blessings are if you can get past the fear,
and that includes doing it's scared. It always when you
do it scared, it gives you a little bit more confidence.
Do it scared again. It builds up a little bit

(01:00:12):
more confidence, so that that little voice, the voice that's big,
that says you not enough, you too fat, you too ugly?

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Who gonna listen to you?

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
You ain't got no good ideas, you stupid, You ain't
you shouldn't be at the same because that's what that
voice says, that's a big voice in your head.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
But as you keep doing it scared, that other voice goes,
you're enough, you can do this. You've built it up,
you've done the.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Work, and it starts to drown out that you're not enough,
you too this you too, that with that voice that goes,
they love you because you don't put in the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Work, and that voice drowns out the bad stuff. And
then you can walk out.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
For me.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
When I walk out the door, I go, you know what,
walk into what God has already written, Sherry, And I
walk out, and I go, I'm not slapping God in
the face by going he already wrote it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
This is what He gave me. This is a blessing.
So go out there and be confident, Sherry. Know that
they love you. Know you got a great smile. Know
that you are compassionate, and you are enough.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
You are enough, and that's what That's what I guess
I'm most proud of myself for or I'm so thankful
for that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
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been rocking with most of my girlfriends for over twenty
five years.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
The people that y'all know and your listeners know are
the Niece nash Is, the Garcell Bouvets, the Kim Whitley's Lisa,
and Walter was on Abbit Elementary like those are all
twenty five, twenty six, thirty year friendships that I have had,
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down to a place where four to eight year olds
could get it. Because I believe these little girls watch
us and they see everything that we do, and we
can either plant seeds in them, or we can, you know,
you know, not give them anything, give them negativity. I
believe in planting some positive seeds. I want these little
girls to know the power of a womanhood. I don't

(01:04:02):
like it when women say to me, you know, I
can't say in the women because these women bitches, they
want to take your man. They don't be their treacherous.
They want to who's doing? But then I go, but
then who are you look at yourself? If that's who
you are around, who are you are you showing yourself
to be a friend. You can't have friends unless.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
You are a friend.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
I think womenhood and women being together is the most
beautiful thing ever, and I want little girls to know
you find some friends because you can do things.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
I told some little girls in the Bronx at a
public school. You can do things by yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
But Oh, it's so much sweeter and you get so
much more done with your girlfriend at your side helping you.
That's what a twofolk chord is stronger. So I wanted
girls to know the power their self worth. I think
that young girls growing up into young ladies. That's why
sometimes they get caught up and stuff that's above their
heads and situations where they don't know their power.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
They don't know how to say no.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
But if you have a girlfriend to help you along,
to advise you, ah, it's such a beautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
I wouldn't be.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Where I am right now without my girlfriends for sure,
helping me. Being bossy, go and share it. I don't
think you should go that way.

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
Share it. That man right there, everybody got a story
about my ex husband. I didn't like him. I didn't
do that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
My publisher sitting right there, they all told me all
the stories after I got divorced.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Why is that girl? Why do I wait till the
girl this way?

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
I was like, didn nobody tell But you know what
they didn't tell me when I was may because I
would have cut them. I would have cut them out. Yeah,
I would have chosen and they know that. And I'm
so thankful that they stuck around. But like I literally,
girls will take you. Your girlfriends will take you through
the tough times. And I meet new people in my
life like you, like you know the other people who

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am I meeting you in my life? That I just
love Candy Burris. She shows up for me on this
talk show every single time, six times. She'll drop everything
to come. We just get along. And so new people
are coming into my life. But you know what, they
all bring something different. Candy teaches me about finance.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
I don't know the number I've been seeing like a
lot of Candy finance clips.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
Yeah, let me tell some That girl thinks entrepreneurial on
everything everything And I didn't And.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
I'm like, dad, I should up invested in a fellow.
I didn't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
But she's that person that she really teaches me things
like that. You know, I was like, I need a
sex toy line like you, Candy, because you know, Candy
got their kid. It's bedroom Candy, Candy coding.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
I don't know I got all the toys. But you know,
so everybody brings something. No friendship is key, he oh,
for sure. The Brad calls me up every other day going, hey, ninja.
What you're doing. You gotta be calling the ninja back.
I just was want to know, I'm checking on you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
Make sure your energy and your spirit good, you know,
And so I I just I love I love women,
I do you know what. I was just thinking about
what we were talking about Barbara before, and also talking
about some of the things that we go through as
old are forgetting MENOPOLSI like, forgetfulness and careers. I always
have this idea about when people get older, that like

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Quincy Jones, that that article that Quincy Jones did when
he was telling everybody's business. Yes, I thought, how much
fun must that be to get to an age where
you say, whatever the fuck you want, anything you want
at anybody's expense, and you get to.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
A certain age where it's almost kind of like, let mean, looking,
if y'all gonna just take it, you gotta just take that.
Take that. So maybe that was Dion Warwick. Maybe I
didn't understand that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
If I had that thought in my mind, maybe I
would have appreciated that exchange.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
That I have with Barber in that time.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
It's hard, it is hard, but I could have appreciated
she's in her I don't give a fuck. I'm gonna
say whatever I will say, era, but I do have
to say as a person, so who is the recipient
of that?

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
It's just hard.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
You know it directed other people go, well, you know
she's in that, But when it's directed at you, that message.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
Like, damn, I'm excited to be in that era one
day though, I can't wait, Yeah, I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
I remember I had an aunty Auntie tiny, and my
cousin answered about ten thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
She said no, and my cousin said, Auntie, I know
you got it. She said, I do got it. I'm
not giving it to you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
I said, that's what I want to be, you know
where it's just like I don't care what I'm saying
now I'm saying I said it on me what I say.
And don't want to write a tell all book, But
you can't do it until right before you go, oh,
I want to write a tell all books?

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
So bad? Oh the stories I have, my gosh, I
can only imagine.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
Well you've got stories too. It's like those things where
you know you just those are the stories you tell
with your girlfriend?

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Are we gonna let do you think that we should
do a tell all book at some point.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
You know, I don't know if it's like, if it's
not right, if you should go to your grave with them,
But it's just so many like good maybe I could
do it with no names.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Like and then you got to try and school the stories.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
But now we'll do the Sunshine queens the Sunshine when
you're ready, you know what I mean, we'll get that.
We'll get to the other story that's right in real life?
How often do you think about your legacy and what
do you think that will be?

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
I just started thinking about it, like in the last
maybe two or three years, like what is my legacy?
Somebody mentioned it and I was like, I really wanted
to be that. I that people felt better than when
they came when they came around me, they felt better
as they walked away. I want, you know, young people
to feel like Cherry helped me. Cherry mentored me, Shary

(01:09:35):
encouraged me, she challenged me. I want people to feel
like you know what, Shary made it. Cherry made me
feel like my dream could come true.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
You know just what I want.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
And I want my sun to be able to say
I love my mommy. She did, you know, she was
there for me so beyond that, I really haven't. I
haven't really thought more about it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
We didn't talk about this much earlier. But I wonder,
what is the thing I want some man to go? Damn,
I do want a man to say that you do? Yeah,
that would be nice, that would be nice. I don't
know where you just went. I just want a man
to be like, whoo, that was the one that gotta wait. Yeah,
oh she got a way.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
He's coming and you're not gonna get away, so they're
not gonna get away, and yeah, what is that think
in that little young Sherry as a girl coming up?
Or there's always something in us that makes us want
to do what we do. It's usually something that comes
from childhood or for your surroundings or your circumstances in childhood.

(01:10:36):
What is the thing that made you want to make
people laugh or make people smile?

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Or I always was like my family the Shepherds, everybody's
funnier than me. I just sam the one that makes
the money, Like I'm the one that took the risk.
I think I am more of a risk taker than
a lot of folks in my family because they are
bar none way funnier to me. Quicker but I think

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it was also I just was I knew making people laugh.
I could see that it made them feel better. I
could see that after my mother and my dad would
have a big argument, that if I did something, they
would laugh and it would be better. I saw that
it got me out of trouble if I made them laugh.
My parents moved me from Chicago in the middle of

(01:11:23):
Roots Member Roots, and that was that was very traumatic
for me because my sister and I were the only
black people aside from another boy in the school. We
were the only black kids. So I got called the
N word every other second, I had rocks thrown at me.
I just wanted to have friends.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
You know, how old was I.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
I moved out to the suburbs in Haffines, States when
I was eleven years old and my sister was nine.
So now my sister so they call it eleven year
old all the time because kids learned from their parents.
So if their parents is like that, then they put
it on their kids.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Wow. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
And my sister would fight everybody was like, she wouldn't
want to mess with She would fight you. But for me,
I wasn't a fighter. I just wanted friends, you know.
I wanted to be able to go ice skating on
the pond. But they would be like this this in work,
can go get off the ice inWORD, you know, in
gim I was the last person to get picked. People
would pull my hair. It was all white school. It

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was all white school, you know. They would pull my hair.
When I walk aboud, it would tripped me. My books
would follow. It was a lot of humiliation, and I
learned that laughter would make them forget about tormenting me.
That if I made a person laugh, you know, then
it wasn't so bad that they didn't pick me. I'll
be sitting there the only one to getting picked for,
you know, to do any of the exercises in gym,

(01:12:40):
I was the only one. When we went to the
YMCAA for the summer, you would take a little bus
over there and it was only me and my sister
and somebody pushed me in the deep end. I didn't
know how to swim, and I got deraided by the
lifeguard in front of everybody, and he made me sit
in the corner facing the wall.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
It was very humiliating.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
So I learned that laughter can make people forget about
a lot of things, and that was my what do
you call it? Default mechanism? So people in my yearbook
are right. Sherry was most likely to become famous. She
is most likely to marry Michael Jackson. You're always laughing
and making because I was always laughing. That was mine

(01:13:19):
when I was uncomfortable. I always needed to make you laugh.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
At any point, did that not work for you anymore?

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
Because usually when we latch onto things to make us
feel better, it's almost like a dependency on it, right,
So if it's.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Not working, it's like, I think, it probably stopped working
for me because of the bad choices that I made
and men that I have to accept. I made these
bad choices, and the laughter didn't take me through it.
It didn't take me through it when that's a guilt
that I still suffer from. Because when I found out
that my husband was cheating, I stopped eating and drinking

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water for two days.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
I didn't know that your.

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Amniotic fluid is replenished every time you eat you drink,
and so miamiotic flood was darn near nothing, and I
went into premature labor and I had Jeffrey at twenty
five weeks. He was a pound ten ounces and because
of all of that is why he has all of
the you know, the issues that he has.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
And that's a guilt. Because laughter did not take me
through that. I stopped. I stopped talking for almost like
a year.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
I didn't do stand up comedy, you know, because laughter
was not serving me when I would look at my son,
you know, having seizures and slower than everybody else and
not having the same milestones as everybody else, and laughter
stopped for me. So it's always it worked with everybody else,
but it didn't work for me, and I had to

(01:14:43):
face some real big issues when you know, going through
too painful divorces.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Laughter wasn't working for me. Oh but well, that's your thing,
that's my thing.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
But I would get on stage and those experiences I
would take on stage and it would make other people laugh.
So I saw that me, my pain made other people
laugh because they might have been going through the same thing.
I got a sitcom based on me talking about my
husband cheating on me with a white girl and her
having a baby.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
I got a sitcom called Sherry. Jamie Fox saw with
his manager. He was like, is that real?

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
And I say yeah, he said, keep doing that. That's
that's like can't nobody steal that because that's your experience.
And I had a whole sick math from Jamal Warner
played my husband who cheated on me. You know wow,
Danny Townsend.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Played my ain.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
That was real.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
That was real, thing was real. It was absolutely real.
And we are this is your first marriage, just my
first marriage. So you're how old in your first marriage?
I was when I married him?

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Probably in my I think I was thirty six. We
were in a relationship for six years, so you thought
every five this is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
I thought that was my soul.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
I thought it was gonna be forever. I didn't do
a pre nup. My business manager begged me do a prenup.
I lost everything. That's why I tell people women get
a prenup even if you don't think you know no,
but it's planting to see for divorce. No, it's a contract,
just like marriage is a contract. You don't need it
until you need it, and hopefully you won't.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
Ever need it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
But it protects your assets. If you were trying to
put your parents in a home and pay for them,
all that is gone. If you were trying to set
aside money for your child, all that is gone. Prenupt
protects you from when you go in the assets that
you've worked so.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
Hard to build. I lost my home minute. I lost
everything because I was like, we got married forever. So
you're thirty six years old, Yeah, married forever. This man
is cheating on you. Yeah, and you found out, probably
in a harsh way.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Yeah, Yeah, I found out. And I don't talk about
it too much. And I'm not saying this off direcord.
And the reason why I don't is because she had
children by my ex husband. And here's the thing where
God can come in through the ugliness of a situation.
Me and her was at odds because she fell in
love with my husband. But these two children, when I

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tell you, they are the light of my life life.
Jeffrey's siblings, he's got a sister and he's got a brother,
and they are the like. His brother, who's a year younger,
called me the other day and he said, I will
move to New York because nobody's gonna take advantage of
my brother like his sister loves him. When they he
that's when Jeffrey smiles. He loves them like they are

(01:17:20):
so close. And this came from I didn't even like
this woman. We used to feud all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
She had a baby. I had a baby.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
She was like, don't come by my house. I was like,
bitch talking about your house. That's my like.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
But we get along so well. Now, wow, girl, when
I tell you we get along so well. She wrote
me a long letter saying, I'm sorry. I didn't know
I was I was young at the time. I didn't
know that I was messing up this thing. And then
it made me see who she was.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
You were a young girl. He had no advantage, he
had no right taking advantage of you. That's what I
tell people.

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Sometimes look at these you know, we call them side chicks,
But some of these women, they don't know they young.
She wasn't thinking about me. She was in her twenties.
She was working at a subway saying with shop. You know,
the self esteem wasn't there, and somebody took advantage of it.
And so but God has healed this relationship where she

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will call me if I'm sick, I call her she's sick.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
That beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
She said to me the other day, she said, you
will never have to worry about Jeffrey, because we got
a place for Jeffrey. I will always take care of
your son. And I said, and you never have to
worry about those two kids. They're like my children. I
will always they're my will. I will always take care
of your children.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
And she's thank me for giving them experiences that they've
never had, cause I keep I always made sure I
kept them together because I knew that if Jeffrey looked up,
you know how you look up and you go, y'all.
I got a sister down in Utah, but we not.
I don't really know them. I always wanted him to
be able to count on his siblings, and them to
be able to count on on Jeffrey. And when I
tell you those three, when they come to New York

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and they visit often, they love each other so much
that you know, his sister's like.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
What happened to the father? He's not even you know,
he's not in the picture no more because they're all
of age. They're all of age.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
But when he was in the picture, I would pay
for him and the siblings, and JA forgive. I did
forgive because otherwise I was gonna be better. I was
on the view talking about him. And then finally even
my dad called and said, you gotta stop, Sherry, you
sound so bitter, And I was like, well, you would
be better too if you went through what I went through.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
And then my son is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
But I have to let that go for me, and
I would pray every day. Father, I don't feel it,
but bless me to just forgive, bless me to forgive.
The second one was harder because I was gonna say,
how do you go through that?

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
How do you survive that? Forgive that, come out on
the other side, and then go back in. Did you
have no fear of going back in the second time?

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
The second time, that's when I was lonely at forty three.
I was scared.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
I was scared that I'm going to be by myself
when I should have took the time and do what
I'm doing now and just lived and to find out
what I wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
I got out of a divorce and got right back
into a marriage. It was so quick.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
And you know, I'm not gonna blame him for nothing.
I made bad choices. I didn't have my eyes open,
and it would it costs. We made bad choices. Sometimes
the consequences are a lot. And it really I went
through some stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:20:24):
I really did.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
It took me a long time to trust again. But
every day I had to go Father, God. Every day
I had to forgive.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Every day.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
When I showed up in court and he was subpeding
Barbara Walters, Star Joeing, every celebrity in the business, I
was like.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
What are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
But I had to forgive because I was getting bitter.
And then I would go, Lord, please bless me that
if we ever see each other, I don't spit on them, like,
give me the strength. And now I'm just like, you
know what, I got so many blessings. I'm not you know,
I still talk about him and make fun and it's
you know, I'll make it funny. But yeah, I did
forgive because it's made me who I am now more.

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Now I'm like, I make decisions differently. I look at
certain things. I go, what are the red flags?

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
I don't take certain things.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
And now I'm in a place, Angie, like I said,
I don't feel even at this age, I don't feel
like I need to have a man. I'm not afraid
of being alone. I'm not lonely. I'm by myself and
I'm alone, but I'm not afraid of that. And I
feel great I do. So I had to go through

(01:21:35):
that to be at this place. I was in an
abusive relationship when I was eighteen. The boy he made
used to whoop my ass, and I learned, you know, everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
Has a story. Yes, everybody has a story.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
And he was he was crazy, and he went to prison,
and you know, and I was trying to get up
there to see him in prison, taking the buck, trying
to take the bus up to Long Park, California, putting
money on his books back eighteen girl at eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
At eighteen, he was seeing three different womans. He's from prison.
He sent a card one time and said, Lisa, were
you married?

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
Hell? Like, who the hell is Lisa? She got the
car to say, Sherry, I love you when you married me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Oh my gosh. And this was funny, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
But I went through that at that age to learn
that at this age, I wish you, Ninja, would I
wish you would put your hand on me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
First of all, after I got over the shock, like
did you hit me? Oh, it'd be all kind please
please are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
You gonna see a whirlwind of an explosion like you
ain't never say, But I have to go through that
to get to hear. And I had to go through
the two divorces to know what I will take, what
I won't take, what to look for. And I'm okay
and I'm gonna make it through. It's scary being by yourself,
but then you go, you know what I'd have did it.
I did it before and I can do it again.

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And I'm okay and you seem really happy. I'm so happy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
I love that for you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
And I think that when you radiate that that's when
you attract. And Lord, I have attracted. I guess I
got to get some advice from you on somebody you know,
and so you know it's like girl, but you, But
I don't need to I don't need to be with you.
That's what I tell when go about the business of
who you are and let him interrupt what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
I can't wait to have that conversation. We don't have
that all right.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Our close out question, Maddie, this is good because throughout
this conversation you have shared many times how.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
About how prayer, yes, and God has really gotten you
through so many moments.

Speaker 3 (01:23:43):
Yes. So the last question I asked you is if
God would have text you right now. What would it
say this time in your life, right now today, If.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
God would have texted me right now, I think God
would say, Sherry's being scared of me. I love you
no matter what. The love I have for you is unconditional,
and I got you. I just need you to let
go and trust me, and I got you. That's what

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I think I would say, beautful, and then I curse
and say something crazy and he gonna go, oh Jesus
hit this girl right here, oh my daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Well I'm glad he got you. He done, and we
love you. I love you. And that is Chury Shepherd
in real life. Everybody, This a Sherry Shepherd in real life.
Hey guys, thanks for watching.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Make sure you subscribe, like comments, and check out all
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Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
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