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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hi?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Everybody, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? We are going
to do something a little bit different.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
You know.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I've been doing this podcast now for about six months.
It's been incredible. I can't believe it's only six months
because I feel like we've gone so deep already. We've
had such incredible guests. So what we're going to do
is recap some of our favorite moments from the last
six months and just let you enjoy them. For those
of you who've just joined us, this might be some
(00:35):
things you haven't heard. And for those of you who've
been along for the ride, I hope you enjoy just
short little takes of our favorite moments, our favorite guests,
and here we go.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
My story that I told myself and other people about
the first season was I didn't even know what the
show was to the finale, which is O, come all
ye faithful, right, And then when I looked at Bay
and Mary Pigs, I was like, I'm not going to
say that again.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
It's so true because you knew the Yes, it's there.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
The thesis of the entire series, The thesis It's true,
clear as a bell, real, which is married people think
single people are lepers, right, which is what we built.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Definitely, But also then at the end, how she comes
back together with us. Think about how many times over
the years we have filmed that scene.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Yeah, I know, it's amazing, amazing. And as far as
you saying, oh, I didn't know what I was doing,
and I'm me saying, oh I didn't know who Charlotte was,
she's pretty clear in that episode.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It's true when you think about that, And thank god,
because I was, I was like, oh my god, is
the whole episode good? The whole first season going to
be me flailing? Now I knew that the episode you reverenced,
which I hate to even say it still forty years later,
thirty years later, Up the Butt obviously is a very
specific set of memories of like joy of performing.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
As well as like humiliation. You know, well that is
the joy.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Definitely, Definitely they go together, they go together.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
Especially for Charlotte.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Yeah, and what you grew to embrace as an actor
was the absolute joy of being in a moment that
could be considered embarrassing totally and just going with it.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
It's true, It's true.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Well, at some point one of you, either Darren or you,
I can't remember which, said you know you're going to
have to get the pie in the face.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Now, I know if you talk.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
To each of us, each of us really feels like
we had to get the pie in the face.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
And probably that's true.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
I always say it's going to be a queen pie. Yeah,
you know you're gonna get hit.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
You're gonna get hit.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
And I mean that was really I remember going like, oh, okay,
that I need.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
To embrace that. That is what we're doing.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
I think the reason this show was tolerable was because
the heroes were also the fools, definitely, So every as
soon as somebody stood on a soapbox, which Charlotte did
so often, we always broke the soapbox. So she felt
at the end, you can't make a speech on the
show without getting a cream pie.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Totally. There was this backlash where people were sort of
some people were like horrified, right, and said, these aren't women.
Women don't act like this, women don't talk like this,
women don't have this kind of lack of inhibition and
lack of sentimental but romantic you know necessity, right, these
(03:33):
are gay men disguised If you remember this and Trouble right,
it was very annoying. And I also remember, and I
don't remember what season it was, where we had a reporter,
like all four of us were talking to this person time,
and the reporter said, do you think this is a
feminist show? And all four of us basically almost took
(03:57):
that person's head off, like, well, of course it's a
feminist show, like, what's.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Wrong with you?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yeah, yes, we're all feminists.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
It's a feminist show. What would it be if it
wasn't a feminist show?
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Right, because we're wearing lipstick and high heels.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Right, it's not a feminist show. What's wrong with you? Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
But I do think that that also reminds me of
the different times, you know, and the fact that we
were not there was no blueprint for us, you know,
and that in some ways is I think like this
kind of magic about us coming together and HBO allowing
us to find ourselves and then also being able to
do the movies and then also being able to do
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and just like that, I mean, like there is no blueprint,
there is nothing else.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
But you know what, it's really funny for me because,
as I said, I started acting when I was like
eleven twelve, and one of the very first things that
I did was this movie All Little Darlings, which is
starring Tatum O'Neil and Christy McNicol. And then there are
six of us who aren't those two people, so they're
eight young women amazing, and we're all like, we're all
(05:05):
supposed to be like mid teens, I would say, and
some of us like me or twelve as I'm tall,
and other people are like eighteen, but they're playing fifteen whatever.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
We're all playing like yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
And it's about two girls who don't like each other
at summer camp and somebody starts a bet to see
which one of them can lose their virginity first. Wow,
And all the rest of us line up with one
or the other and there's lots of betting on it,
and wow, camp.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Right gets involved.
Speaker 8 (05:33):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
And this was a very popular, successful movie that it's
like very dear to a lot of people's hearts. But
when it came out, I remember one review that started,
now here's a disgusting idea for a movie, right, critics
were horrified, And this was like literally twenty years later,
and it was I was like it was deja vue
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for me. It was like, here are women who are
talking about sex and the possibilities of sex with their
female friends and then going out and assertively pursuing it,
and audiences are like wow, cool and critics are like ew.
Speaker 7 (06:16):
To me, it's like, you know what, back then, you
would have had to work really, really really hard not
to have sex for four years, which is super Interestill
would have been kind of impossible. But people had a
lot more sex back then than they do now. I
mean now there actually is a sex drought. Wow, this
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is for real.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Whoa.
Speaker 7 (06:41):
But back then, you know, people had sex a lot.
So I do think in nineteen ninety eight three months
that would have been a long time, okay, because it
was so easy to have sex back then. Why because
there was a lot of interaction and you saw people
(07:04):
out in person in the wild. And it also feels
like it feels like the population was younger than and
it actually was. There were more young people, there were
more people in their thirties got it, and there also
(07:26):
wasn't as much to do. Now we have the phones
and there's gaming and there's streaming, and everybody is in
their own bubble, you know, bubble of like this is
this is you know, my entertainment. But back then.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
It was other people.
Speaker 7 (07:46):
Yes, it was other people. You went out and did stuff,
You did stuff, and people wanted to have sex. Amazing
to think that it was very easy.
Speaker 9 (08:02):
I mean now I have.
Speaker 7 (08:04):
Women come up to me and you know, I mean
attractive women in their fifties and they'll say like, I've
been trying to have sex for the last year and
i haven't found anyone to have sex with me. Wow,
which is like, this is really a different time.
Speaker 9 (08:19):
Do you remember shooting that day Because all of the
background workers, they didn't want anybody to know that Big
had died, So when they were speaking when the background
workers were in the art studio, which is where we
filmed that day, right and Chelsea, they would use her
(08:41):
she And then when all the background workers were released
and they turned around and we were seeing all of
the cast speaking about mister Big, it was at that
point that the script changed and everybody was referencing mister Big.
But they didn't want anybody to know, so the whole
day we had to keep it a secret because the
(09:04):
background workers and manacragbergers, the background artists were all under
the impression that the person who that they were there
to memorialize was a woman. I had a line. My
line was, am I the only one that remembers what
a fucking asshole he was? The girl that I had
to say to was sitting next to me at the funeral,
(09:25):
and I remember after we finished shooting, she said, why
did you ask me if he was an asshole? If
the person that died was a woman?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Wow?
Speaker 9 (09:34):
And I said something like, I didn't write the episode.
I don't know, you'd have to have one writers. Good Molly,
I'm going to craft service Sea by wow.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I had forgotten all this drama in that day. Yeah,
it was a big day. What I do remember is
they hadn't gotten the montage together yet of big that
we were supposed to be watching on the wall, So
we had puppies and stuff. Do you remember this?
Speaker 6 (10:01):
Were you there for that part?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yes? There was like puppies and kiddies and pandas. And
at one point Sarah Jessica never breaks like never, never,
like not from laughing, not from any anything, do you
know what I mean? And she's sitting next to me
in the scene and at one point they're you know,
they're doing close up after close up, and we're watching
the puppies and trying to have our feelings, and I
(10:24):
think it was just one more angle, and Sarah was
just like ah, just like felt on her knees and
put her head in my lap and just started just
like hysterically laughing, which I had never experienced before in
my life.
Speaker 10 (10:46):
I initially got. I was asked about the show by
my agent, Kevin ey Vane sent me either it was
a phone call. I'm certain it wasn't an email, because
this was nineteen ninety seven or ninety six ninety seven
in situation, that's right.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
And he.
Speaker 10 (11:09):
So he sent me the script with a cover letter,
very traditional for those of you who don't know what
that is. There's a script and there's typically it's a
company by a cover letter from your agent or whoever
is submitting it. And Ne'll explain you know, this is
a project, it's shooting in New York. You have been
offered the role of blank. The producer is blank, the
director is blank, or they have no director set yet.
(11:30):
This is HBO, this is the studio, this is the network.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
And you were like wow.
Speaker 10 (11:34):
And so Kevin called me and said, Darren has asked
about meeting you to discuss this, and and he said
he wrote this like I was in his head in
some way, which I found really interesting. Was perfectly happy
to meet with him, and I and I did say
(11:58):
I knew Darren Starr's name from Beverly Hills nine er
two and zero and Meloe's place, and I was pretty
familiar with Candas's work as a reader of The Observer,
which was a fairly well known New York paper that
a lot of us reached for. Its distinction was that
it was pink, which was kind of unusual. And coincidentally
(12:22):
or not, I had been sent a copy of her
book that Darren had then bought the rights to, and
that book was a compilation of all of her columns
for The New Yorker, for The Observer, and so I
did know that, And I don't know why I was
sent a copy of the book, but I was, and
I enjoyed it. And there were some in particular, No,
there were some in particular columns that I loved. So
(12:44):
I read the script and loved it. And I was
doing a musical on Broadway at that time, Princess, and
I was doing Once Upon a Mattress I saw it,
and thanks, and I was going to get I was
going to get married, and secret it was a secret, yes,
(13:08):
And and I had a wedding date, and I didn't
really want to mess with that date. And because I
kind of I had understood that maybe it was shooting
around the exact same time, and we had cleared that
date primarily because all of our friends who worked in
(13:29):
the theater only have Mondays off. So our met, our
wedding was on a Monday. And yeah, and so I
met with Darren, and I, you know, I told him
I loved it and that I thought it was especially compelling,
and that I, you know, my only objections and I
(13:51):
feel like objections is almost too strong a word. I
I I alerted him to the fact that I didn't
do scenes nude. That I just, for whatever reason, right
or wrong, I just never felt comfortable doing that.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
When you went on follin the thing that I love
so much many things, obviously, because you are number one,
so inspiring and amazing and fabulous and powerful and really
just the epitome in so many ways of what we
wanted to create when we started the show. That kind
of wasn't really out there, you know, especially in television.
So from that perspective, I love you anyway. And then
(14:28):
just to hear you with your incredibly well thought out,
well researched points on all of us.
Speaker 10 (14:35):
I want to talk about it.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I want to hear about it, okay, and I want
to hear if there are any updates. So let's just
rehash in case anyone missed that. Okay, so you just
discovered the show when.
Speaker 8 (14:44):
Probably like, well, I've always known what the show was, okay,
but like as a child, like you watch it and
it's going over your head. You don't know what.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
I'm a little thing. I don't know what y'all was
talking about it, of course.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
But I rewatched it turning twenty nine, and I'm looking
at the show and I'm like, wait a minute, nobody
told me six and the city was this damn good.
So I'm watching and I needed to rewatch it a
few times so I could really get into everybody. I
feel like everybody already has their favorite characters, like and
(15:17):
I'm late to the party. So I'm like, okay, everybody's
favorite character is Carrie? Okay, Well, no, like, like Charlotte
and Samantha are my favorite characters. Okay, I like and
no shade to carry. I definitely love Carrie, we love you.
But Carrie, she just makes bad decisions all the time.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
I mean, I know you're saying.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
When I'm rewatching it myself, I am kind of shocked, Like.
Speaker 8 (15:46):
You are literally running into the same wall thinking you're
going to turn into a ghost and walk through it.
I don't understand. That's like, that's the definition of insanity.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
That is a good point.
Speaker 8 (15:54):
I loved how well dressed this insane person. Was like,
that's so I give Carrie like my favorite character dressing wise.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Right, Well, well, yeah she was. She was very well dressed,
a very well dress crazy person.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Sarah has incredible style and Carry does also, and it's
eclectic and fun.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
But like that part.
Speaker 8 (16:12):
At first, I thought I didn't like Samantha. Like in
the first couple of episodes, I was like, why are
they making it seem like sex is her whole life?
But as I kept watching, I'm like, wait a minute, baby,
she in sex like and she puts her foot down.
I feel like that to me. She owns her body,
she knows what she wants.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
She's very confident, unapologetic.
Speaker 8 (16:30):
She's unapologetic her, and she wasn't letting these men stop
all stop all over her. That's me. So I was like, damn,
am I Samantha? But then you was kind of crazy too.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
I have my crazy element, but it was like it
was logical crazy.
Speaker 8 (16:46):
She's very emotional.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
Yes that's me, is it? That's me? I get emotional? Yeah,
me too, Like it's okay to be irrational.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Sometimes I'm completely wow every time I look back at
these episodes, and partly I'm wild because like, mister Big
is not worth this effort.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
I've said this time.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
But I'm like, I agree, Okay, thank you, because but
I all this one?
Speaker 6 (17:15):
Did you? Okay? Explain? I've never been a fan, got it?
So I wasn't a super fan of Aiden either. I
just I just wasn't. Do you think good enough for her?
Speaker 4 (17:27):
No?
Speaker 6 (17:27):
I don't. I don't. I know, I don't think that
at all. Okay, I just think that, Oh my god,
I'm I say something that's so controversy, do it? Do it?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I think she's bad taste in men.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
It's okay, it's okay. Some of us have bad taste
in men. Okay, listen, it's the truth. Listen.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I don't get Big Okay, get into it, because I
have a lot of opinions about this episode.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Help me, help me, because I mean through the really now,
looking back, I also have a lot of opinions, and
I didn't at the time. I just accepted it as
normal because I think that I also experienced many of
these things.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
Do you know, well, yeah, I mean there was definitely.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I mean, isn't there a time where where we all
have bad tastement. I think what bothers me about Carrie
is that like she hang on hung onto a man
that was like, obviously just I don't understand.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
What the appeal was Me neither.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
When I look back at the time, I completely did
right And even when I'm watching this episode, which we're
out of order now, but I'm just gonna say because
it's sure, you know. Okay, So this is the episode
where Carrie is doing some research about religion, and so
she goes and she's standing on this very picturesque summer
New York City street corner and she happens to see
(18:48):
she's looking at a church. She happens to see Big
walk out with his very beautiful mother. Good lord, yeah,
Marion Sell. They's an incredible actress and She's like, oh
my god, Big in his mother. It's almost like she
didn't realize that he had a mother, you know, was
so interesting. And then she walks over, they chat, they
have a weird conversation like that's also part of what
(19:11):
is amazing to me is like, like their dynamic is
very fascinating, and I think a lot of it is
because they're really good actors also, right, So, like there's
so many layers, yes, like her face and all the
things that she's.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Knowing, Like I mean, okay, I'm gonna get canceled. This
You're You're not gonna get canceled. Carrie has no poker
face and it drives me crazy, So I are you kidding?
I love you, Sarah. First off, to the camera, I
love Carrie doesn't have a poker face.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
That's and someone who also doesn't, So I totally know
what you're saying.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Well, and I also think that that was listen. That's why.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Also to her credit, we loved the show because I
could tell.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
I can tell on every moment what she's thinking.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
I know.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
I feel like viewers felt like they were growl friends with.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
You, right yeah, So I'm like, no, no, her feelings
are hurt.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
But as a girlfriend, I'm also like, don't show him
that face.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
I know he's so unavailable, Like, don't look so hurt, Like, no,
I know she's so vulnerable.
Speaker 9 (20:14):
I wound up kind of being the first person to.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Have sex on sex in the city, I know, And.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
This this is what I remember of that, right. So
when we so we did this show, obviously we were
all very excited and I really really desperately wanted my part,
but we were nervous because do you remember the show
dream On that had been on HBO and like every
week some girl would just for some reason take her
dove off, like just randomly, kind of like we were like,
(20:41):
is this what we're supposed to do? Like please know?
Like even though we were scared, right, we didn't really know.
As I was telling everyone before too, we didn't know
how people would respond to kind of the very upfront
way that we were talking about sexuality, because at that
point it hadn't really been done on TA right, and
cable was a weird thing. Like it was all very unknown,
(21:01):
and so I remember being really nervous and we didn't
have clauses in our contract at that point that we
had to be new or that we did whatever we
because we were all panicked, like we don't work, scared, right,
And the day that you had to do that news scene,
I was in the hair and makeup trailer getting ready
for whatever, like talking on the phone or something boring,
and they came in. One of the makeup artists came
running like, we need cups of ice for Sarah Winter.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
Oh my god, right.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
I for my nipples? Like I who knew that that
was a thing.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I did not know either.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
I was trying to be so cool. You did and collected,
you did, but they needed ice.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
I know.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
We were really impressed.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
We were panicked, but also maybe that's why they look
so good.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
They look fantastic ice. I know it worked, it worked
of ice, it worked of But all of this said,
and then they ran back out. We were like, oh,
what is going on? Oh my gosh, like a thing. Yes,
it's like no one's ever off with me I since
and no one offers me.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
You know, I don't do those kinds of scenes anymore.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
But yeah, well you did it well, and you really
see you like you were fine. Thank you so much
for joining me to recap all these little moments. Everyone
if you haven't heard those episodes, they are there. You
can go back and re listen if you would like,
or listen for the first time. And I hope you
all have a wonderful Fourth of July and I'll see
you back here soon
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hi?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Everybody, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? We are going
to do something a little bit different.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
You know.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I've been doing this podcast now for about six months.
It's been incredible. I can't believe it's only six months
because I feel like we've gone so deep already. We've
had such incredible guests. So what we're going to do
is recap some of our favorite moments from the last
six months and just let you enjoy them. For those
of you who've just joined us, this might be some
(00:35):
things you haven't heard. And for those of you who've
been along for the ride, I hope you enjoy just
short little takes of our favorite moments, our favorite guests,
and here we go.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
My story that I told myself and other people about
the first season was I didn't even know what the
show was to the finale, which is O, come all
ye faithful, right, And then when I looked at Bay
and Mary Pigs, I was like, I'm not going to
say that again.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
It's so true because you knew the Yes, it's there.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
The thesis of the entire series, The thesis It's true,
clear as a bell, real, which is married people think
single people are lepers, right, which is what we built.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Definitely, But also then at the end, how she comes
back together with us. Think about how many times over
the years we have filmed that scene.
Speaker 5 (01:27):
Yeah, I know, it's amazing, amazing. And as far as
you saying, oh, I didn't know what I was doing,
and I'm me saying, oh I didn't know who Charlotte was,
she's pretty clear in that episode.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
It's true when you think about that, And thank god,
because I was, I was like, oh my god, is
the whole episode good? The whole first season going to
be me flailing? Now I knew that the episode you reverenced,
which I hate to even say it still forty years later,
thirty years later, Up the Butt obviously is a very
specific set of memories of like joy of performing.
Speaker 6 (02:01):
As well as like humiliation. You know, well that is
the joy.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Definitely, Definitely they go together, they go together.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
Especially for Charlotte.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Yeah, and what you grew to embrace as an actor
was the absolute joy of being in a moment that
could be considered embarrassing totally and just going with it.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
It's true, It's true.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Well, at some point one of you, either Darren or you,
I can't remember which, said you know you're going to
have to get the pie in the face.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Now, I know if you talk.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
To each of us, each of us really feels like
we had to get the pie in the face.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
And probably that's true.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
I always say it's going to be a queen pie. Yeah,
you know you're gonna get hit.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
You're gonna get hit.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
And I mean that was really I remember going like, oh, okay,
that I need.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
To embrace that. That is what we're doing.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
I think the reason this show was tolerable was because
the heroes were also the fools, definitely, So every as
soon as somebody stood on a soapbox, which Charlotte did
so often, we always broke the soapbox. So she felt
at the end, you can't make a speech on the
show without getting a cream pie.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
Totally. There was this backlash where people were sort of
some people were like horrified, right, and said, these aren't women.
Women don't act like this, women don't talk like this,
women don't have this kind of lack of inhibition and
lack of sentimental but romantic you know necessity, right, these
(03:33):
are gay men disguised If you remember this and Trouble right,
it was very annoying. And I also remember, and I
don't remember what season it was, where we had a reporter,
like all four of us were talking to this person time,
and the reporter said, do you think this is a
feminist show? And all four of us basically almost took
(03:57):
that person's head off, like, well, of course it's a
feminist show, like, what's.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Wrong with you?
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Yeah, yes, we're all feminists.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
It's a feminist show. What would it be if it
wasn't a feminist show?
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Right, because we're wearing lipstick and high heels.
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Right, it's not a feminist show. What's wrong with you? Absolutely?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
But I do think that that also reminds me of
the different times, you know, and the fact that we
were not there was no blueprint for us, you know,
and that in some ways is I think like this
kind of magic about us coming together and HBO allowing
us to find ourselves and then also being able to
do the movies and then also being able to do
(04:39):
and just like that, I mean, like there is no blueprint,
there is nothing else.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
But you know what, it's really funny for me because,
as I said, I started acting when I was like
eleven twelve, and one of the very first things that
I did was this movie All Little Darlings, which is
starring Tatum O'Neil and Christy McNicol. And then there are
six of us who aren't those two people, so they're
eight young women amazing, and we're all like, we're all
(05:05):
supposed to be like mid teens, I would say, and
some of us like me or twelve as I'm tall,
and other people are like eighteen, but they're playing fifteen whatever.
Speaker 7 (05:13):
We're all playing like yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
And it's about two girls who don't like each other
at summer camp and somebody starts a bet to see
which one of them can lose their virginity first. Wow,
And all the rest of us line up with one
or the other and there's lots of betting on it,
and wow, camp.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
Right gets involved.
Speaker 8 (05:33):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
And this was a very popular, successful movie that it's
like very dear to a lot of people's hearts. But
when it came out, I remember one review that started,
now here's a disgusting idea for a movie, right, critics
were horrified, And this was like literally twenty years later,
and it was I was like it was deja vue
(05:57):
for me. It was like, here are women who are
talking about sex and the possibilities of sex with their
female friends and then going out and assertively pursuing it,
and audiences are like wow, cool and critics are like ew.
Speaker 7 (06:16):
To me, it's like, you know what, back then, you
would have had to work really, really really hard not
to have sex for four years, which is super Interestill
would have been kind of impossible. But people had a
lot more sex back then than they do now. I
mean now there actually is a sex drought. Wow, this
(06:38):
is for real.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
Whoa.
Speaker 7 (06:41):
But back then, you know, people had sex a lot.
So I do think in nineteen ninety eight three months
that would have been a long time, okay, because it
was so easy to have sex back then. Why because
there was a lot of interaction and you saw people
(07:04):
out in person in the wild. And it also feels
like it feels like the population was younger than and
it actually was. There were more young people, there were
more people in their thirties got it, and there also
(07:26):
wasn't as much to do. Now we have the phones
and there's gaming and there's streaming, and everybody is in
their own bubble, you know, bubble of like this is
this is you know, my entertainment. But back then.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
It was other people.
Speaker 7 (07:46):
Yes, it was other people. You went out and did stuff,
You did stuff, and people wanted to have sex. Amazing
to think that it was very easy.
Speaker 9 (08:02):
I mean now I have.
Speaker 7 (08:04):
Women come up to me and you know, I mean
attractive women in their fifties and they'll say like, I've
been trying to have sex for the last year and
i haven't found anyone to have sex with me. Wow,
which is like, this is really a different time.
Speaker 9 (08:19):
Do you remember shooting that day Because all of the
background workers, they didn't want anybody to know that Big
had died, So when they were speaking when the background
workers were in the art studio, which is where we
filmed that day, right and Chelsea, they would use her
(08:41):
she And then when all the background workers were released
and they turned around and we were seeing all of
the cast speaking about mister Big, it was at that
point that the script changed and everybody was referencing mister Big.
But they didn't want anybody to know, so the whole
day we had to keep it a secret because the
(09:04):
background workers and manacragbergers, the background artists were all under
the impression that the person who that they were there
to memorialize was a woman. I had a line. My
line was, am I the only one that remembers what
a fucking asshole he was? The girl that I had
to say to was sitting next to me at the funeral,
(09:25):
and I remember after we finished shooting, she said, why
did you ask me if he was an asshole? If
the person that died was a woman?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Wow?
Speaker 9 (09:34):
And I said something like, I didn't write the episode.
I don't know, you'd have to have one writers. Good Molly,
I'm going to craft service Sea by wow.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
I had forgotten all this drama in that day. Yeah,
it was a big day. What I do remember is
they hadn't gotten the montage together yet of big that
we were supposed to be watching on the wall, So
we had puppies and stuff. Do you remember this?
Speaker 6 (10:01):
Were you there for that part?
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yes? There was like puppies and kiddies and pandas. And
at one point Sarah Jessica never breaks like never, never,
like not from laughing, not from any anything, do you
know what I mean? And she's sitting next to me
in the scene and at one point they're you know,
they're doing close up after close up, and we're watching
the puppies and trying to have our feelings, and I
(10:24):
think it was just one more angle, and Sarah was
just like ah, just like felt on her knees and
put her head in my lap and just started just
like hysterically laughing, which I had never experienced before in
my life.
Speaker 10 (10:46):
I initially got. I was asked about the show by
my agent, Kevin ey Vane sent me either it was
a phone call. I'm certain it wasn't an email, because
this was nineteen ninety seven or ninety six ninety seven
in situation, that's right.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
And he.
Speaker 10 (11:09):
So he sent me the script with a cover letter,
very traditional for those of you who don't know what
that is. There's a script and there's typically it's a
company by a cover letter from your agent or whoever
is submitting it. And Ne'll explain you know, this is
a project, it's shooting in New York. You have been
offered the role of blank. The producer is blank, the
director is blank, or they have no director set yet.
(11:30):
This is HBO, this is the studio, this is the network.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
And you were like wow.
Speaker 10 (11:34):
And so Kevin called me and said, Darren has asked
about meeting you to discuss this, and and he said
he wrote this like I was in his head in
some way, which I found really interesting. Was perfectly happy
to meet with him, and I and I did say
(11:58):
I knew Darren Starr's name from Beverly Hills nine er
two and zero and Meloe's place, and I was pretty
familiar with Candas's work as a reader of The Observer,
which was a fairly well known New York paper that
a lot of us reached for. Its distinction was that
it was pink, which was kind of unusual. And coincidentally
(12:22):
or not, I had been sent a copy of her
book that Darren had then bought the rights to, and
that book was a compilation of all of her columns
for The New Yorker, for The Observer, and so I
did know that, And I don't know why I was
sent a copy of the book, but I was, and
I enjoyed it. And there were some in particular, No,
there were some in particular columns that I loved. So
(12:44):
I read the script and loved it. And I was
doing a musical on Broadway at that time, Princess, and
I was doing Once Upon a Mattress I saw it,
and thanks, and I was going to get I was
going to get married, and secret it was a secret, yes,
(13:08):
And and I had a wedding date, and I didn't
really want to mess with that date. And because I
kind of I had understood that maybe it was shooting
around the exact same time, and we had cleared that
date primarily because all of our friends who worked in
(13:29):
the theater only have Mondays off. So our met, our
wedding was on a Monday. And yeah, and so I
met with Darren, and I, you know, I told him
I loved it and that I thought it was especially compelling,
and that I, you know, my only objections and I
(13:51):
feel like objections is almost too strong a word. I
I I alerted him to the fact that I didn't
do scenes nude. That I just, for whatever reason, right
or wrong, I just never felt comfortable doing that.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
When you went on follin the thing that I love
so much many things, obviously, because you are number one,
so inspiring and amazing and fabulous and powerful and really
just the epitome in so many ways of what we
wanted to create when we started the show. That kind
of wasn't really out there, you know, especially in television.
So from that perspective, I love you anyway. And then
(14:28):
just to hear you with your incredibly well thought out,
well researched points on all of us.
Speaker 10 (14:35):
I want to talk about it.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I want to hear about it, okay, and I want
to hear if there are any updates. So let's just
rehash in case anyone missed that. Okay, so you just
discovered the show when.
Speaker 8 (14:44):
Probably like, well, I've always known what the show was, okay,
but like as a child, like you watch it and
it's going over your head. You don't know what.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
I'm a little thing. I don't know what y'all was
talking about it, of course.
Speaker 8 (14:57):
But I rewatched it turning twenty nine, and I'm looking
at the show and I'm like, wait a minute, nobody
told me six and the city was this damn good.
So I'm watching and I needed to rewatch it a
few times so I could really get into everybody. I
feel like everybody already has their favorite characters, like and
(15:17):
I'm late to the party. So I'm like, okay, everybody's
favorite character is Carrie? Okay, Well, no, like, like Charlotte
and Samantha are my favorite characters. Okay, I like and
no shade to carry. I definitely love Carrie, we love you.
But Carrie, she just makes bad decisions all the time.
Speaker 6 (15:41):
I mean, I know you're saying.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
When I'm rewatching it myself, I am kind of shocked, Like.
Speaker 8 (15:46):
You are literally running into the same wall thinking you're
going to turn into a ghost and walk through it.
I don't understand. That's like, that's the definition of insanity.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
That is a good point.
Speaker 8 (15:54):
I loved how well dressed this insane person. Was like,
that's so I give Carrie like my favorite character dressing wise.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
Right, Well, well, yeah she was. She was very well dressed,
a very well dress crazy person.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Sarah has incredible style and Carry does also, and it's
eclectic and fun.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
But like that part.
Speaker 8 (16:12):
At first, I thought I didn't like Samantha. Like in
the first couple of episodes, I was like, why are
they making it seem like sex is her whole life?
But as I kept watching, I'm like, wait a minute, baby,
she in sex like and she puts her foot down.
I feel like that to me. She owns her body,
she knows what she wants.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
She's very confident, unapologetic.
Speaker 8 (16:30):
She's unapologetic her, and she wasn't letting these men stop
all stop all over her. That's me. So I was like, damn,
am I Samantha? But then you was kind of crazy too.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
I have my crazy element, but it was like it
was logical crazy.
Speaker 8 (16:46):
She's very emotional.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
Yes that's me, is it? That's me? I get emotional? Yeah,
me too, Like it's okay to be irrational.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Sometimes I'm completely wow every time I look back at
these episodes, and partly I'm wild because like, mister Big
is not worth this effort.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
I've said this time.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
But I'm like, I agree, Okay, thank you, because but
I all this one?
Speaker 6 (17:15):
Did you? Okay? Explain? I've never been a fan, got it?
So I wasn't a super fan of Aiden either. I
just I just wasn't. Do you think good enough for her?
Speaker 4 (17:27):
No?
Speaker 6 (17:27):
I don't. I don't. I know, I don't think that
at all. Okay, I just think that, Oh my god,
I'm I say something that's so controversy, do it? Do it?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I think she's bad taste in men.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
It's okay, it's okay. Some of us have bad taste
in men. Okay, listen, it's the truth. Listen.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I don't get Big Okay, get into it, because I
have a lot of opinions about this episode.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Help me, help me, because I mean through the really now,
looking back, I also have a lot of opinions, and
I didn't at the time. I just accepted it as
normal because I think that I also experienced many of
these things.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
Do you know, well, yeah, I mean there was definitely.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I mean, isn't there a time where where we all
have bad tastement. I think what bothers me about Carrie
is that like she hang on hung onto a man
that was like, obviously just I don't understand.
Speaker 6 (18:26):
What the appeal was Me neither.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
When I look back at the time, I completely did
right And even when I'm watching this episode, which we're
out of order now, but I'm just gonna say because
it's sure, you know. Okay, So this is the episode
where Carrie is doing some research about religion, and so
she goes and she's standing on this very picturesque summer
New York City street corner and she happens to see
(18:48):
she's looking at a church. She happens to see Big
walk out with his very beautiful mother. Good lord, yeah,
Marion Sell. They's an incredible actress and She's like, oh
my god, Big in his mother. It's almost like she
didn't realize that he had a mother, you know, was
so interesting. And then she walks over, they chat, they
have a weird conversation like that's also part of what
(19:11):
is amazing to me is like, like their dynamic is
very fascinating, and I think a lot of it is
because they're really good actors also, right, So, like there's
so many layers, yes, like her face and all the
things that she's.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Knowing, Like I mean, okay, I'm gonna get canceled. This
You're You're not gonna get canceled. Carrie has no poker
face and it drives me crazy, So I are you kidding?
I love you, Sarah. First off, to the camera, I
love Carrie doesn't have a poker face.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
That's and someone who also doesn't, So I totally know
what you're saying.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Well, and I also think that that was listen. That's why.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Also to her credit, we loved the show because I
could tell.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
I can tell on every moment what she's thinking.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
I know.
Speaker 6 (19:58):
I feel like viewers felt like they were growl friends with.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
You, right yeah, So I'm like, no, no, her feelings
are hurt.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
But as a girlfriend, I'm also like, don't show him
that face.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
I know he's so unavailable, Like, don't look so hurt, Like, no,
I know she's so vulnerable.
Speaker 9 (20:14):
I wound up kind of being the first person to.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Have sex on sex in the city, I know, And.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
This this is what I remember of that, right. So
when we so we did this show, obviously we were
all very excited and I really really desperately wanted my part,
but we were nervous because do you remember the show
dream On that had been on HBO and like every
week some girl would just for some reason take her
dove off, like just randomly, kind of like we were like,
(20:41):
is this what we're supposed to do? Like please know?
Like even though we were scared, right, we didn't really know.
As I was telling everyone before too, we didn't know
how people would respond to kind of the very upfront
way that we were talking about sexuality, because at that
point it hadn't really been done on TA right, and
cable was a weird thing. Like it was all very unknown,
(21:01):
and so I remember being really nervous and we didn't
have clauses in our contract at that point that we
had to be new or that we did whatever we
because we were all panicked, like we don't work, scared, right,
And the day that you had to do that news scene,
I was in the hair and makeup trailer getting ready
for whatever, like talking on the phone or something boring,
and they came in. One of the makeup artists came
running like, we need cups of ice for Sarah Winter.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
Oh my god, right.
Speaker 6 (21:28):
I for my nipples? Like I who knew that that
was a thing.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I did not know either.
Speaker 6 (21:34):
I was trying to be so cool. You did and collected,
you did, but they needed ice.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
I know.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
We were really impressed.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
We were panicked, but also maybe that's why they look
so good.
Speaker 6 (21:44):
They look fantastic ice. I know it worked, it worked
of ice, it worked of But all of this said,
and then they ran back out. We were like, oh,
what is going on? Oh my gosh, like a thing. Yes,
it's like no one's ever off with me I since
and no one offers me.
Speaker 9 (22:03):
You know, I don't do those kinds of scenes anymore.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
But yeah, well you did it well, and you really
see you like you were fine. Thank you so much
for joining me to recap all these little moments. Everyone
if you haven't heard those episodes, they are there. You
can go back and re listen if you would like,
or listen for the first time. And I hope you
all have a wonderful Fourth of July and I'll see
you back here soon
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