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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte? Thanks for coming back, everybody. This is
going to be part two of our favorite moments from
the first six months of.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Are You a Charlotte. I hope you enjoy.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
And I'm honored to have you for many reasons. Number One,
I'd just like to see you. I love to see
Number two Lena, in case you guys don't know, is
a multi hyphen it. I'm going to tell you your whole
resume later and you're not in front of me. But
the thing that's important is that her knowledge a film
and television is so expansive and deep, and this is
(00:41):
partly why I love her. Like when we first started,
and just like that, you left me the sweetest, sweetest voicemail.
I don't know what panicky thing I had sent to
you or whatever, but you know, you're just very grounding.
Your knowledge is very grounding in terms of you know
what has happened before, you know how things develop in
our culture on television, in film, what it means, and
(01:04):
as you just said to me when you sat down
we were talking about this episode, you said, I think
television has a time stamp.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
But tell me more, what do you mean exactly?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Well, I think sometimes when people look at TV from
say ten years ago or even twenty, it can feel
in moments uncomfortable or icky, even because you're thinking, oh, well,
no Onah would make that joke today, or you couldn't
do that now. And what's interesting about that is what
I believe art is it's time capsule, really, and it's
(01:33):
a time stamp of where we were at that time
and what was happening in the world then. And so
I think of even though yes, He's are fictitious characters,
in a way, this is sort of giving us a
sense of what New York was at that time, what
it was for women at that time, what the limits
were at that moment, and what could and couldn't be
talked about, and what barriers you guys were pushing up against.
(01:55):
And so I'm really grateful that I got to grow
up with it. I was, like am I I was
a teenager when it first came, and so I was
learning so much about what it meant to be an
adult friend by watching you all. And I think I
was more interest than that than the love stories per se.
But the love stories were there as well sold you
about self love and how you see yourself. But watching
(02:15):
it now as a forty year old person revisiting the episode,
for a lot of us who are my age, we
feel a little confronted by now Sex and the City
because we are now the ages that you guys were
then at that time, and we're seeing ourselves play out
(02:37):
some of these storylines, and that I think is saying
that the show. You may point certain things out and say, oh,
you can't make that joke now, but I do think
the show is aging well, thank you, because the fact
that I can see myself in it as I get
older and understand things better. It's work that I've gotten
(03:01):
to grow up with and I still get to sit
with now. But now it's not a lot of us
are saying, it's not just fun on the background. Now
now it's okay, I'm in this stage right now, or
I'm going through a divorce, or I'm about to get married,
or I'm about to have my first baby, and so
now it's as if you guys are still there. I
think of art as an inheritance, and so we have
(03:23):
inherited this, this work, and that's why I think within
just like that is the continuation of the life of
the work. And so when I go back and revisit
and just like that, I will be as I get older,
I will then start to understand these stories even more.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
He always got my eighties is the eighties. I was
doing an off Broadway show at the time. It was
it was the end of nineteen ninety nine, I think,
or two thousand, okay, I think it was early two
thousand and I he said, I wrote you something.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So he wrote it for you. Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
But I was doing an off Broadway show at the time.
But I went in to read just make it official,
and you know. So I was doing a show called
The Crumple Zone, which did very well, ran for six
months off Broadway, and I.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
I remember our night. The day we filmed. It was
a tech day and the director, who I.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Loved very much, not please no, he didn't want to
let me out.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
I'm like, it's a tech day. People stand there and
you light it right.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
And I went like this, I'm going to do this
episode because there was an.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Issue of maybe.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Oh no, I was like, I'm going to do.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
This episode and I went, oh no. It wasn't desperation episode,
like what was.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
There was one?
Speaker 4 (04:35):
It was one episode that was wedding as your wedding
wedding player, and do you remember we had two scenes?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
We had a SCE scene.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I remember, Okay, see I love I love so you
do every episode I don't.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
I was recurring.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
I did people go how many episodes.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Did I do?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I did twelve?
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Only twelve?
Speaker 5 (04:56):
I did one? Season three? Yeah to season four?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Are three, Season five and six season six, and.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Then both movies.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Regular the movies really kind of solidified it, which was nice,
you know. So uh, there were two scenes in that
first episode. There was the one hates it, the very
famous hates it.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
With the wedding dress.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yeah, don't use Yeah, all that's okay. You're you're dragging
and I'm yelling at the girl. And then there was
another scene in the back of the vera Wang in
this kind of little area yep, and I was fitting
you and you were getting very anxious as Charlotte, and
I had his scissors and it ripped the dress and
(05:43):
you were furious and we just kind of looked at
each other. That scene got cut because it was at
three in the morning, four in the morning. There wasn't
enough coverage, and they cut it. Luckily they cut it
because it was almost like an argument between us.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I dressed, so it might not have gone well. So well,
they probably wanted to keep you. They probably knew already.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I don't know. No.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
I remember running into Michael and he said, do you
know how much great feedback we got on you?
Speaker 5 (06:07):
I said, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
I said, and I don't care.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
I just want to know him. I coming back and
I said, yes.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I need some clarity though, because sometimes people say things
that I'm not quite sure if I'm hearing correctly, Like
basically sam is saying. Samantha saying that you don't want
to be the guest star in the Three Cents.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
So you do want to be the guest.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
You don't want to be the guest star because you
don't want connections.
Speaker 7 (06:28):
You don't want connections. You don't want to do it
with like a good friend. You want to be like
you want to come in and out, enjoy it and
get the hell out right.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
It's so crazy that Charlotte's like, no, maybe I would
want one of my friends, but.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
That's so Charlotte.
Speaker 7 (06:40):
She's like she would feel safe that way. It was terrible.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
If she tried to converse.
Speaker 8 (06:52):
Terrible, okay, just terrible in so many ways, Like, oh
my god.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Anyway, I had a moment of fear then too, because
I was like, I don't remember any of this.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
She's like, wait, oh didn't I have a try to talk.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Her into it? Oh my god. I was mortified. Thank god,
I do not. But then poor Miranda.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
I know, I know, it's so adorable.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I remember this at.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
All, I know, and I love I really I love
how Cynthia played it through the episode so brilliant, like
I'm going to get to the bottom of this, and
I'm upset and I'm sorry I wasn't chosen.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
I am not upsetting, I know.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And she's got this therapist, which like, do you ever
see this person again?
Speaker 6 (07:32):
I don't think we did. Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
He's an older man and he basically is like, are
you asking to have a THREESOMEE?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Right?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
It's so weird and funny, and it's such a traditional
looking therapy office where I'm just like, is this what.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
A therapy would look like in nineteen ninety eight?
Speaker 7 (07:46):
And Manattan knows it was probably whatever set we had
said that we could put up two flats, some books
and some books.
Speaker 9 (07:53):
The first time we met Sarah Jessica was at Pat's apartment,
which is above the store on Eighth Street. It had
rubber floors that after parties she would like kind of
hose and that was sticky liquor or whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I'm sure, I don't want to know more.
Speaker 9 (08:15):
Let's show s j just a few little ideas. So
we had won Rebecca.
Speaker 10 (08:20):
And Pat and I Rebecca was Pat's girlfriend at the time,
as you remember, went to Aina, who had a consignment
store in Soho. Yeah, and pulled a few things, which
we still do for you. We still go there, all
of it so much.
Speaker 9 (08:36):
And we showed Sarah Jessica the fur coat, Oh.
Speaker 8 (08:43):
You had it right then, Yeah, the clutch purse which
I believe she paired on the show with the fur coat,
and some little mules that were plastic. And I remember, uh,
you know, I always I've kept a diary all my life,
and I remember writing in my diary that Pat and
(09:06):
Sarah Jessica were so excited because they were going to
not wear pantyhose.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Aha. That was a major major point.
Speaker 9 (09:16):
I don't think people understand that.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
No, I don't think people remember that number one. You
always had to wear them previous, like for me in
melrose Land and just Los Angeles in general, like that
was a normal thing. And obviously in South Carolina where
I grew up, I mean, of course, you wore panty hose, right,
which is what we called them back then.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And then I remember Pat just like no, and she's
being like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And in the beginning when I'm rewatching, obviously I hadn't
remembered a lot of this, but I've got hose on
a couple times, and I'm like, Pat must have been so.
Speaker 7 (09:51):
Mad at me.
Speaker 10 (09:54):
So funny. I'm glad that you understand where that's coming from,
because it was kind of like not a requirement, but
women just wore it. And yeah, Pat, and they were
just we're talking about bare legs, bare legs, yep.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Even Oh, I know, I remember those days. I remember
those cold days.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
At one point, you know how at a baby shower,
there's a tradition, I don't know if you did this
where you take all the bows from all the packages and.
Speaker 11 (10:29):
You make something in your head, yes, did you do this? No,
my baby, my water broke it my baby shower.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Oh yeah, that's like a TV show, No, I know,
what did you do?
Speaker 6 (10:40):
I went to the hospital. Did everyone panic? Everybody panicked?
Speaker 11 (10:45):
And they called my husband, who was with some of
the other guy thing like coming a beer on the corner.
And we were here in New York on the I
mean we lived here on the rooftop somewhere nearby. It
was like April, so it was beautiful twelve years ago
and like two weeks my daughters.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
About to have her birthday.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Oh that's nice.
Speaker 11 (11:05):
And they called and they said, and everybody was laughing
because it was it was shocking.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
And there was only one man in the.
Speaker 11 (11:12):
Room, and it was the cater and he threw paper
towels at us and then walked out of the door.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
He was just like, I cannot deal with this, Oh
my god.
Speaker 11 (11:21):
And it was what was even more comedic about it
is we were in a circle. I was opening present
right and my friend goes, oh my gosh, she's about
to have that baby right here. My stomach made a
weird movement, Oh my god, which I guess is what happened.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I have no idea.
Speaker 11 (11:36):
I have no idea, okay, and it only this has
only happened with my first child and my water broke
in front of every single person sitting, and everybody's reaction
was so different, Like somebody cried because they were pregnant,
and they were like.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
They just had and had so much feeling, so much feeling.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
Other people were dying laughing.
Speaker 11 (11:55):
So when they called laughing, well, it was like kind
of funny.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Because also I was like, what is that happening?
Speaker 12 (12:03):
You know?
Speaker 11 (12:04):
But they called my husband and Barbara and my sister
and I have a twin sister, right, We've played so
many pranks on him over the years. Oh no, he
did not believe, like he thought this was like a
funny thing girls were doing. And also he'd been to
the doctor like with me the day before where they
were like, you have six more weeks, So he just
was the thought. And then there is a producer that
(12:26):
works on our show, still now works on our show,
who I've known all these years, twelve years later, who
was so lovely and earnest and kind, and her husband
call was with her, Henry my husband, and she called
and she's like, real, this is real, and he was
like listen. Her husband was like, I know, Barbara and
Jenna can lie, but Carrie cannot.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
So you need to go to the hospital.
Speaker 12 (12:49):
Woaw.
Speaker 13 (12:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
Anyway, so I we put the bow on her, you.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Didn't get to Also, I'm not sure people still know.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
I feel like it was more no a kind of
like it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Saying, but I just don't know if it still happens.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
So for some reason, Charlotte also manages to get a
bow on her head, which I really think I probably
had something to do with because it is one of
my favorite pictures.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
It's very funny.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
I mean, I also think because Charlotte just really would
like to be part of this club, you know what
I'm saying. So then Laney has a huge amount of
bows on her head, at which point one of her
friends says, oh, little Sheila is gonna love blah blah blah,
whatever gift it was.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And I'm like.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
What and like, you know, kind of a big reaction
for young Charlotte. I stand up, like that is my
secret baby name that I told you. She's like, well,
I'm just really sorry, I don't remember, and this is
such an unfair thing that I'm about to say.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
But like I.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Back then would have a lot of trouble separating the
actor from the part, right, So, like later on, when
Big has Natasha like I've said this to Britend, like,
I'm really sorry, I just really couldn't look at you.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, I just couldn't. I just couldn't like you.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
I know, it's terrible.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
One of the things I want to ask you about
is a male perspective of Big here because in this episode,
which is super interesting to look back on, because Charlotte
was always pro Big, but I'm looking back on this
early season and being like ew ew because Carrie is
very connected and very open. We start the beginning of
the episode and she's saying, like, you know, we're in
the middle of New York, seven million people, and it's
(14:29):
that great shot where you know, real New Yorkers are
walking acard the camera. It's so cool and it looks
so seventies now to our eyes now and twenty five
right close right, all of.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
The cars everything.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
So they're they're like so united and within this crowd,
and she's obviously, you know, over the moon into it,
and we assume he is too, and they're spending all
their time together to the point where she hasn't seen
the girlfriends at all, and we think she's you know,
fallen off the cliff. Or whatever, and then cut to
he says he has a work dinner, and yes, and
(15:04):
we go out to dinner with her because she said,
oh yeah, Big has a work dinner tonight, a work
thing tonight, you know, let's go out to dinner. We
go out to dinner, and we see him in the
corner having dinner with another woman, which I'm just like
he should have been out then, like, oh, what the
heck like just because to me, I would feel that
they were not in sync. That if I was in
that relationship and I thought we were over the moon,
(15:26):
not even talking to our friend's level of connected and
then he's gone out.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
With another woman.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
What the heck?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Boo out the door?
Speaker 6 (15:33):
I guess, what do you think?
Speaker 13 (15:34):
Well, so here's the show specifically, Yes, he said he
had a work dinner, so right, a.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Working I think dinner.
Speaker 13 (15:44):
Yeah, there's a lie, a white lie there. Okay, take
that away just for a second, Okay, later on in
the not later on. But I love the way that
that scene was handled. And it's funny you're asking me
about this because I took note of it where he
wasn't caught.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
He didn't play it like he was caught.
Speaker 13 (16:04):
That's true, which is that was an actor, by the way,
but he didn't play like he was.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
That's a good point. He didn't.
Speaker 13 (16:10):
He's like, oh, hey, maybe a little uncomfortable, but hey,
this is Bonnie or whatever her name is ew But
and I just had this conversation with a friend in
real life. Was there an established there was no situation,
and there wasn't here was it where it's like, are
we boyfriend girlfriend? Are we committed? And so you can't
(16:31):
just assume that one is committed and the other isn't.
Even if you're getting the committed vibes, you still have
to have the conversation for sure, but you.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Just talk emotionally.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yes, I agree with you, but emotionally it would really
hurt me to think that we were not on the
same level, like when she goes, oh, I didn't realize
I was in these feelings by myself.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
That's the upsetting feeling.
Speaker 13 (16:57):
Sure, but then you have to take into account the
reasons why he might not be right, I might not
be well. There could be a psychological thing. There could
be something like he's been burned before, he's been hurt before,
his parents have divorced, he's a noncommittal person, he's feeling love,
he's feeling women.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Okay, Okay, okay, but let's say that those Okay, He's
a grown up, right, He's not twenty five, he's not thirty,
he's a grown up.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Okay. So she is obviously open to this in a
way that he seems like he might not be. John
is in.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
The first season, which really surprised both of us. Yeah, exactly,
we thought it was like later on in the run.
Speaker 12 (17:39):
Absolutely, I would have probably said end of the second
maybe even their.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Third, which I think of as our best season.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
If we have to pick an overall season.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
Episode for your episode, that's why.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I'm saying I would put it in the best because
it's such a good episode. It was written by Michael
Patrick King, which you can completely tell.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Oh God, yes, John plays guy.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
He has a real name, is called Thomas John Anderson,
which is kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Because John three names for three das he's.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Playing Michael Patrick Kings basically and his own episode, and
he is called the Catholic guy. That's what we call
him in the shorthand to the friends, and he's opposite
Cynthia and they are incredible.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
This episode was directed by Matthew Harrison. We don't have
a ton of memories about him. We're really sorry, I
who it's apologize if I.
Speaker 12 (18:24):
Do never remember the fact vivid memories of MPK not
directing me, but just he's such a brilliant, extraordinary presence
on set and his writing was so great that I
remember him and of course have known him all these
years after.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
But yeah, I don't remember the directors. I know, but
that's not because he didn't direct a great episode.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Absolutely, because that's an episode.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Good director disappears a little bit.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
This is a good point. And you also direct, so
you know very well. You know very well. So tell
us your memories.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And your thoughts about the new it was relatively new show.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Yeah, is this a G rated program?
Speaker 11 (18:55):
No?
Speaker 12 (18:57):
Well, what I vividly remember is being on top of Cynthia,
having being in the throes.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Of passion and having orgasm.
Speaker 12 (19:05):
After or fake orgasm after orgasm, and getting up and sharing.
And you know, a lot of people have seen it
in syndication and all that stuff's out, but in the
I guess the DVD or box set or whatever you
call it these days, you.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
See all of those sex scenes.
Speaker 12 (19:22):
So what I remember most vividly is being in bed
in flagrante with Cynthia Nixon.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Thank goodness. I had known her. We had done a play.
Speaker 12 (19:32):
Together, which is the way you get very into it
very quickly, is by being on stage together. And we
had such a great time doing this play and such
a great rapport and such great trust that we immediately
threw ourselves into it. And you know, this was before
Sex and the City was Sex and the City, So
going to that set and having to do such a
(19:54):
huge sex scene was really nerve racking.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Nerve racking.
Speaker 12 (19:59):
So that's my biggest memory is just being on top
of Cynthia and you know, and then the casual after
an hour or two, it becomes so casual, like what
are you gonna have for lunch? I think I'm gonna
have that, you know, totally both yeah, naked. I mean
we all had. We've talked about cook socks and all
that stuff. Yeah, right, right right, And I guess I
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remember the sock as well.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
There you go. Very memorable.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I mean the thing about Cynthia too, which is a
theme in every guy that I've ever spoken to who
was opposite hers, that she has no real fear or self.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Consciousness about it.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Yeah. No, she doesn't.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Thank you so much for joining me to recap all
these little moments. Everyone, If you haven't heard those episodes,
they are there. You can go back and re listen
if you would like, or listen for the first time.
And I hope you all have a wonderful fourth of
July and I'll see you back here soon
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte? Thanks for coming back, everybody. This is
going to be part two of our favorite moments from
the first six months of.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Are You a Charlotte. I hope you enjoy.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
And I'm honored to have you for many reasons. Number One,
I'd just like to see you. I love to see
Number two Lena, in case you guys don't know, is
a multi hyphen it. I'm going to tell you your whole
resume later and you're not in front of me. But
the thing that's important is that her knowledge a film
and television is so expansive and deep, and this is
(00:41):
partly why I love her. Like when we first started,
and just like that, you left me the sweetest, sweetest voicemail.
I don't know what panicky thing I had sent to
you or whatever, but you know, you're just very grounding.
Your knowledge is very grounding in terms of you know
what has happened before, you know how things develop in
our culture on television, in film, what it means, and
(01:04):
as you just said to me when you sat down
we were talking about this episode, you said, I think
television has a time stamp.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
But tell me more, what do you mean exactly?
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Well, I think sometimes when people look at TV from
say ten years ago or even twenty, it can feel
in moments uncomfortable or icky, even because you're thinking, oh, well,
no Onah would make that joke today, or you couldn't
do that now. And what's interesting about that is what
I believe art is it's time capsule, really, and it's
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a time stamp of where we were at that time
and what was happening in the world then. And so
I think of even though yes, He's are fictitious characters,
in a way, this is sort of giving us a
sense of what New York was at that time, what
it was for women at that time, what the limits
were at that moment, and what could and couldn't be
talked about, and what barriers you guys were pushing up against.
(01:55):
And so I'm really grateful that I got to grow
up with it. I was, like am I I was
a teenager when it first came, and so I was
learning so much about what it meant to be an
adult friend by watching you all. And I think I
was more interest than that than the love stories per se.
But the love stories were there as well sold you
about self love and how you see yourself. But watching
(02:15):
it now as a forty year old person revisiting the episode,
for a lot of us who are my age, we
feel a little confronted by now Sex and the City
because we are now the ages that you guys were
then at that time, and we're seeing ourselves play out
(02:37):
some of these storylines, and that I think is saying
that the show. You may point certain things out and say, oh,
you can't make that joke now, but I do think
the show is aging well, thank you, because the fact
that I can see myself in it as I get
older and understand things better. It's work that I've gotten
(03:01):
to grow up with and I still get to sit
with now. But now it's not a lot of us
are saying, it's not just fun on the background. Now
now it's okay, I'm in this stage right now, or
I'm going through a divorce, or I'm about to get married,
or I'm about to have my first baby, and so
now it's as if you guys are still there. I
think of art as an inheritance, and so we have
(03:23):
inherited this, this work, and that's why I think within
just like that is the continuation of the life of
the work. And so when I go back and revisit
and just like that, I will be as I get older,
I will then start to understand these stories even more.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
He always got my eighties is the eighties. I was
doing an off Broadway show at the time. It was
it was the end of nineteen ninety nine, I think,
or two thousand, okay, I think it was early two
thousand and I he said, I wrote you something.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So he wrote it for you. Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
But I was doing an off Broadway show at the time.
But I went in to read just make it official,
and you know. So I was doing a show called
The Crumple Zone, which did very well, ran for six
months off Broadway, and I.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
I remember our night. The day we filmed. It was
a tech day and the director, who I.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
Loved very much, not please no, he didn't want to
let me out.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
I'm like, it's a tech day. People stand there and
you light it right.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
And I went like this, I'm going to do this
episode because there was an.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
Issue of maybe.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Oh no, I was like, I'm going to do.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
This episode and I went, oh no. It wasn't desperation episode,
like what was.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
There was one?
Speaker 4 (04:35):
It was one episode that was wedding as your wedding
wedding player, and do you remember we had two scenes?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
We had a SCE scene.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
I remember, Okay, see I love I love so you
do every episode I don't.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
I was recurring.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
I did people go how many episodes.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Did I do?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I did twelve?
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Only twelve?
Speaker 5 (04:56):
I did one? Season three? Yeah to season four?
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Are three, Season five and six season six, and.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
Then both movies.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Regular the movies really kind of solidified it, which was nice,
you know. So uh, there were two scenes in that
first episode. There was the one hates it, the very
famous hates it.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
With the wedding dress.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yeah, don't use Yeah, all that's okay. You're you're dragging
and I'm yelling at the girl. And then there was
another scene in the back of the vera Wang in
this kind of little area yep, and I was fitting
you and you were getting very anxious as Charlotte, and
I had his scissors and it ripped the dress and
(05:43):
you were furious and we just kind of looked at
each other. That scene got cut because it was at
three in the morning, four in the morning. There wasn't
enough coverage, and they cut it. Luckily they cut it
because it was almost like an argument between us.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
I dressed, so it might not have gone well. So well,
they probably wanted to keep you. They probably knew already.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I don't know. No.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
I remember running into Michael and he said, do you
know how much great feedback we got on you?
Speaker 5 (06:07):
I said, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (06:08):
I said, and I don't care.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
I just want to know him. I coming back and
I said, yes.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I need some clarity though, because sometimes people say things
that I'm not quite sure if I'm hearing correctly, Like
basically sam is saying. Samantha saying that you don't want
to be the guest star in the Three Cents.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
So you do want to be the guest.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
You don't want to be the guest star because you
don't want connections.
Speaker 7 (06:28):
You don't want connections. You don't want to do it
with like a good friend. You want to be like
you want to come in and out, enjoy it and
get the hell out right.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
It's so crazy that Charlotte's like, no, maybe I would
want one of my friends, but.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
That's so Charlotte.
Speaker 7 (06:40):
She's like she would feel safe that way. It was terrible.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
If she tried to converse.
Speaker 8 (06:52):
Terrible, okay, just terrible in so many ways, Like, oh
my god.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Anyway, I had a moment of fear then too, because
I was like, I don't remember any of this.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
She's like, wait, oh didn't I have a try to talk.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Her into it? Oh my god. I was mortified. Thank god,
I do not. But then poor Miranda.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
I know, I know, it's so adorable.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I remember this at.
Speaker 7 (07:15):
All, I know, and I love I really I love
how Cynthia played it through the episode so brilliant, like
I'm going to get to the bottom of this, and
I'm upset and I'm sorry I wasn't chosen.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
I am not upsetting, I know.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
And she's got this therapist, which like, do you ever
see this person again?
Speaker 6 (07:32):
I don't think we did. Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
He's an older man and he basically is like, are
you asking to have a THREESOMEE?
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Right?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
It's so weird and funny, and it's such a traditional
looking therapy office where I'm just like, is this what.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
A therapy would look like in nineteen ninety eight?
Speaker 7 (07:46):
And Manattan knows it was probably whatever set we had
said that we could put up two flats, some books
and some books.
Speaker 9 (07:53):
The first time we met Sarah Jessica was at Pat's apartment,
which is above the store on Eighth Street. It had
rubber floors that after parties she would like kind of
hose and that was sticky liquor or whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I'm sure, I don't want to know more.
Speaker 9 (08:15):
Let's show s j just a few little ideas. So
we had won Rebecca.
Speaker 10 (08:20):
And Pat and I Rebecca was Pat's girlfriend at the time,
as you remember, went to Aina, who had a consignment
store in Soho. Yeah, and pulled a few things, which
we still do for you. We still go there, all
of it so much.
Speaker 9 (08:36):
And we showed Sarah Jessica the fur coat, Oh.
Speaker 8 (08:43):
You had it right then, Yeah, the clutch purse which
I believe she paired on the show with the fur coat,
and some little mules that were plastic. And I remember, uh,
you know, I always I've kept a diary all my life,
and I remember writing in my diary that Pat and
(09:06):
Sarah Jessica were so excited because they were going to
not wear pantyhose.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Aha. That was a major major point.
Speaker 9 (09:16):
I don't think people understand that.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
No, I don't think people remember that number one. You
always had to wear them previous, like for me in
melrose Land and just Los Angeles in general, like that
was a normal thing. And obviously in South Carolina where
I grew up, I mean, of course, you wore panty hose, right,
which is what we called them back then.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And then I remember Pat just like no, and she's
being like, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And in the beginning when I'm rewatching, obviously I hadn't
remembered a lot of this, but I've got hose on
a couple times, and I'm like, Pat must have been so.
Speaker 7 (09:51):
Mad at me.
Speaker 10 (09:54):
So funny. I'm glad that you understand where that's coming from,
because it was kind of like not a requirement, but
women just wore it. And yeah, Pat, and they were
just we're talking about bare legs, bare legs, yep.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Even Oh, I know, I remember those days. I remember
those cold days.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
At one point, you know how at a baby shower,
there's a tradition, I don't know if you did this
where you take all the bows from all the packages and.
Speaker 11 (10:29):
You make something in your head, yes, did you do this? No,
my baby, my water broke it my baby shower.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Oh yeah, that's like a TV show, No, I know,
what did you do?
Speaker 6 (10:40):
I went to the hospital. Did everyone panic? Everybody panicked?
Speaker 11 (10:45):
And they called my husband, who was with some of
the other guy thing like coming a beer on the corner.
And we were here in New York on the I
mean we lived here on the rooftop somewhere nearby. It
was like April, so it was beautiful twelve years ago
and like two weeks my daughters.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
About to have her birthday.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Oh that's nice.
Speaker 11 (11:05):
And they called and they said, and everybody was laughing
because it was it was shocking.
Speaker 6 (11:10):
And there was only one man in the.
Speaker 11 (11:12):
Room, and it was the cater and he threw paper
towels at us and then walked out of the door.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
He was just like, I cannot deal with this, Oh
my god.
Speaker 11 (11:21):
And it was what was even more comedic about it
is we were in a circle. I was opening present
right and my friend goes, oh my gosh, she's about
to have that baby right here. My stomach made a
weird movement, Oh my god, which I guess is what happened.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I have no idea.
Speaker 11 (11:36):
I have no idea, okay, and it only this has
only happened with my first child and my water broke
in front of every single person sitting, and everybody's reaction
was so different, Like somebody cried because they were pregnant,
and they were like.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
They just had and had so much feeling, so much feeling.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
Other people were dying laughing.
Speaker 11 (11:55):
So when they called laughing, well, it was like kind
of funny.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Because also I was like, what is that happening?
Speaker 12 (12:03):
You know?
Speaker 11 (12:04):
But they called my husband and Barbara and my sister
and I have a twin sister, right, We've played so
many pranks on him over the years. Oh no, he
did not believe, like he thought this was like a
funny thing girls were doing. And also he'd been to
the doctor like with me the day before where they
were like, you have six more weeks, So he just
was the thought. And then there is a producer that
(12:26):
works on our show, still now works on our show,
who I've known all these years, twelve years later, who
was so lovely and earnest and kind, and her husband
call was with her, Henry my husband, and she called
and she's like, real, this is real, and he was
like listen. Her husband was like, I know, Barbara and
Jenna can lie, but Carrie cannot.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
So you need to go to the hospital.
Speaker 12 (12:49):
Woaw.
Speaker 13 (12:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
Anyway, so I we put the bow on her, you.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Didn't get to Also, I'm not sure people still know.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
I feel like it was more no a kind of
like it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
Saying, but I just don't know if it still happens.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
So for some reason, Charlotte also manages to get a
bow on her head, which I really think I probably
had something to do with because it is one of
my favorite pictures.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
It's very funny.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
I mean, I also think because Charlotte just really would
like to be part of this club, you know what
I'm saying. So then Laney has a huge amount of
bows on her head, at which point one of her
friends says, oh, little Sheila is gonna love blah blah blah,
whatever gift it was.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And I'm like.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
What and like, you know, kind of a big reaction
for young Charlotte. I stand up, like that is my
secret baby name that I told you. She's like, well,
I'm just really sorry, I don't remember, and this is
such an unfair thing that I'm about to say.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
But like I.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Back then would have a lot of trouble separating the
actor from the part, right, So, like later on, when
Big has Natasha like I've said this to Britend, like,
I'm really sorry, I just really couldn't look at you.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yeah, I just couldn't. I just couldn't like you.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
I know, it's terrible.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
One of the things I want to ask you about
is a male perspective of Big here because in this episode,
which is super interesting to look back on, because Charlotte
was always pro Big, but I'm looking back on this
early season and being like ew ew because Carrie is
very connected and very open. We start the beginning of
the episode and she's saying, like, you know, we're in
the middle of New York, seven million people, and it's
(14:29):
that great shot where you know, real New Yorkers are
walking acard the camera. It's so cool and it looks
so seventies now to our eyes now and twenty five
right close right, all of.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
The cars everything.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
So they're they're like so united and within this crowd,
and she's obviously, you know, over the moon into it,
and we assume he is too, and they're spending all
their time together to the point where she hasn't seen
the girlfriends at all, and we think she's you know,
fallen off the cliff. Or whatever, and then cut to
he says he has a work dinner, and yes, and
(15:04):
we go out to dinner with her because she said,
oh yeah, Big has a work dinner tonight, a work
thing tonight, you know, let's go out to dinner. We
go out to dinner, and we see him in the
corner having dinner with another woman, which I'm just like
he should have been out then, like, oh, what the
heck like just because to me, I would feel that
they were not in sync. That if I was in
that relationship and I thought we were over the moon,
(15:26):
not even talking to our friend's level of connected and
then he's gone out.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
With another woman.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
What the heck?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Boo out the door?
Speaker 6 (15:33):
I guess, what do you think?
Speaker 13 (15:34):
Well, so here's the show specifically, Yes, he said he
had a work dinner, so right, a.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Working I think dinner.
Speaker 13 (15:44):
Yeah, there's a lie, a white lie there. Okay, take
that away just for a second, Okay, later on in
the not later on. But I love the way that
that scene was handled. And it's funny you're asking me
about this because I took note of it where he
wasn't caught.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
He didn't play it like he was caught.
Speaker 13 (16:04):
That's true, which is that was an actor, by the way,
but he didn't play like he was.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
That's a good point. He didn't.
Speaker 13 (16:10):
He's like, oh, hey, maybe a little uncomfortable, but hey,
this is Bonnie or whatever her name is ew But
and I just had this conversation with a friend in
real life. Was there an established there was no situation,
and there wasn't here was it where it's like, are
we boyfriend girlfriend? Are we committed? And so you can't
(16:31):
just assume that one is committed and the other isn't.
Even if you're getting the committed vibes, you still have
to have the conversation for sure, but you.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Just talk emotionally.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yes, I agree with you, but emotionally it would really
hurt me to think that we were not on the
same level, like when she goes, oh, I didn't realize
I was in these feelings by myself.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
That's the upsetting feeling.
Speaker 13 (16:57):
Sure, but then you have to take into account the
reasons why he might not be right, I might not
be well. There could be a psychological thing. There could
be something like he's been burned before, he's been hurt before,
his parents have divorced, he's a noncommittal person, he's feeling love,
he's feeling women.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Okay, Okay, okay, but let's say that those Okay, He's
a grown up, right, He's not twenty five, he's not thirty,
he's a grown up.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Okay. So she is obviously open to this in a
way that he seems like he might not be. John
is in.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
The first season, which really surprised both of us. Yeah, exactly,
we thought it was like later on in the run.
Speaker 12 (17:39):
Absolutely, I would have probably said end of the second
maybe even their.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Third, which I think of as our best season.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
If we have to pick an overall season.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
Episode for your episode, that's why.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I'm saying I would put it in the best because
it's such a good episode. It was written by Michael
Patrick King, which you can completely tell.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Oh God, yes, John plays guy.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
He has a real name, is called Thomas John Anderson,
which is kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Because John three names for three das he's.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Playing Michael Patrick Kings basically and his own episode, and
he is called the Catholic guy. That's what we call
him in the shorthand to the friends, and he's opposite
Cynthia and they are incredible.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
This episode was directed by Matthew Harrison. We don't have
a ton of memories about him. We're really sorry, I
who it's apologize if I.
Speaker 12 (18:24):
Do never remember the fact vivid memories of MPK not
directing me, but just he's such a brilliant, extraordinary presence
on set and his writing was so great that I
remember him and of course have known him all these
years after.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
But yeah, I don't remember the directors. I know, but
that's not because he didn't direct a great episode.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
Absolutely, because that's an episode.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Good director disappears a little bit.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
This is a good point. And you also direct, so
you know very well. You know very well. So tell
us your memories.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
And your thoughts about the new it was relatively new show.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Yeah, is this a G rated program?
Speaker 11 (18:55):
No?
Speaker 12 (18:57):
Well, what I vividly remember is being on top of Cynthia,
having being in the throes.
Speaker 5 (19:03):
Of passion and having orgasm.
Speaker 12 (19:05):
After or fake orgasm after orgasm, and getting up and sharing.
And you know, a lot of people have seen it
in syndication and all that stuff's out, but in the
I guess the DVD or box set or whatever you
call it these days, you.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
See all of those sex scenes.
Speaker 12 (19:22):
So what I remember most vividly is being in bed
in flagrante with Cynthia Nixon.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Thank goodness. I had known her. We had done a play.
Speaker 12 (19:32):
Together, which is the way you get very into it
very quickly, is by being on stage together. And we
had such a great time doing this play and such
a great rapport and such great trust that we immediately
threw ourselves into it. And you know, this was before
Sex and the City was Sex and the City, So
going to that set and having to do such a
(19:54):
huge sex scene was really nerve racking.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Nerve racking.
Speaker 12 (19:59):
So that's my biggest memory is just being on top
of Cynthia and you know, and then the casual after
an hour or two, it becomes so casual, like what
are you gonna have for lunch? I think I'm gonna
have that, you know, totally both yeah, naked. I mean
we all had. We've talked about cook socks and all
that stuff. Yeah, right, right right, And I guess I
(20:21):
remember the sock as well.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
There you go. Very memorable.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
I mean the thing about Cynthia too, which is a
theme in every guy that I've ever spoken to who
was opposite hers, that she has no real fear or self.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Consciousness about it.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Yeah. No, she doesn't.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Thank you so much for joining me to recap all
these little moments. Everyone, If you haven't heard those episodes,
they are there. You can go back and re listen
if you would like, or listen for the first time.
And I hope you all have a wonderful fourth of
July and I'll see you back here soon
Host
Kristin Davis
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