September 4, 2025 • 54 mins
Things are about to get REAL intimate. We love talking and chatting with Charlotte's boyfriends!. Things get hot when Dan Futterman, aka the charming pastry chef Stephan, sits down with Kristin. Find out what Charlotte and his wife have both asked him in the bedroom.
He also reveals the Sex and the City star he had a crush on! Dan Futterman is spilling so much tea we don't even know how to contain ourselves.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte? Hi, everybody, welcome back to Are You
a Charlotte? Today we have a really special episode. It
is a catching up with friends episode and we're talking
to the incredible Danny Futterman, who was in the episode Evolution,
which is season two, episode eleven. It's a fantastic episode
(00:24):
where he plays my would be boyfriend Stefan, who is
very in touch with his feminine side, shall we say so.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
The thing that I want to say about Danny he.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Is so so brilliant as a person and an actor.
But also he went on after our show to be
nominated for an Oscar for writing Capodi, which is an
incredible film if you haven't seen it, so so good.
And he's created shows and he's a showrunner and a
writer now. So this is a really fun conversation. Please
(00:54):
enjoy listening. Hi, how are you.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I'm good. I'm good. It's great to see you.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
You good, It's so great to see you. And you
look just the same.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Oh yeah, we looked just the same.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Let's just go with that.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
We look great.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
But okay, okay, fair enough to me, you look the
same because I literally just watched the episode, right, which
is so crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I just watch it too, But I didn't have the
separate thought. I was like, I'm I am so young,
like who we really are? Child?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Oh well, I think I was equally equally young looking,
right like. But also it is kind of like to me,
I feel the same, you know inside, so like I
have that very weird dichotomy like I look so young,
but I remember it like it was yesterday in a way.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
You know. Yeah, I remember a lot of it. I
remember all of it.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
No, I didn't remember all of what's on camera, right,
Like you have kind of like a like a filter
in your memory of like like the good parts for
like as an actor or whatever. Right, right, Well, first
of all, let me back up. It was I know
you're working. That's the other thing I want to talk about.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I am working, you know, as a writer, like trying
to get stuff going. You know.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, I'm so impressed.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
That makes you know, well, thanks, Sometimes I am. Sometimes
I'm just disappointed.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Well, I mean that's our business, isn't it, right, Like
it's always going to be one with the other.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
There's never just glory, right, That's right?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
And look, I should say at the top of this,
I'm sorry. I don't know how you feel about the
fact that you guys aren't continuing.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Oh, very upset. I'm very upset.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I'm very upset and confused. And thank you for saying
you're sorry, because you know, we've all been through so
many different things right in our careers, and you've been
nominated for an oscar, like since you were on Sex
and the City, which was really kind of like somewhat
early in your career.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Though.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I remember at the time that I thought, you know,
you'd been on Broadway with Cynthia and Angels in America,
and you know, you were a big deal to us
at the time, and then you became an even greater
deal in terms of your multifaceted career.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Okay, all right, you get to rewind a second. They
meant audition for this, ah, so I love and I
was getting some offers or stuff, not a lot, but
I was like, I'm going to go out to Queen's
to audition for like a one episode thing. Seriously, but
I was going to do it.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Shame on them.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Well, I'm glad you did it, thank God, thank god.
I mean, look, auditioning, I think is always semi much
a nightmare, so I'm not good at it at all,
but I have enjoyed because we all remember our first
trip to Queens as well and being like, uh, where
are we?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
What is happening? What is the show?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
And whenever I talk to people and they tell me
their funny audition stories about how either they refused to
go and they missed out on one role and then
they come back or whatever it is, and then they
had to get out there and they were like, where's
It's a very enjoyable part of it all for me
because I remember that also vividly too. But it's funny
because I know that at that point, I feel like
one of the things we were trying to do that
(04:09):
Cynthia was really a big part of was trying to
get great theater actors because we had access, you know,
to all the great theater actors, and here we are
in Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
There was Law and Order and there was us, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yeah, Well, it was like, you know, it was one
of those God sends. There were not that many shows
right that were shooting in New York, and I don't
know how many times I auditioned for Law and Order
and I never order like I cried, I got angry.
I you know, my child was kidnapped, like whatever it was.
(04:41):
Oh my god, I was a stalker. I like whatever
it was. And I never I never got in that show.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
One one New York actor who's never been on that show.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Oh my god, I'm me neither me neither, but I'm
not totally actor.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
But we're bus there.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I was. I was, in fact busy. Yes, it's true.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
So when you went out to see our guys, did
you have to go more than once?
Speaker 3 (05:03):
No? I went out and it was basically like, I mean,
everybody's very nice. It was what the What I remember
was I think Cindy Shupac was there, probably Pam Thomas,
who direct, and and I think maybe Jenny Bicks, but
I don't but I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Well those are all the people that we collectively were
crushing on you, so that makes sense. But I just
said Cindy on and she was like, oh, Futterman, and
I was like, Futterman, like we just had a whole moment.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah, okay, okay, but it was it was, you know,
it was like a semi humiliating audition where they're basically like,
get up on a chair and be scared.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
No, wow, wow, yes, you certainly did. You certainly did.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I mean the thing, I love so many things about
your part and that episode, and and we did discuss
with Cindy like what holds up?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
What doesn't hold up?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Do you remember at the time everyone was saying was
saying the word metro sexual as though it was like
a thing, And now it's gone.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I think that's okay, Like I reard, what's wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Totally?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I don't know. I mean that was what Cindy and
I were talking about too, like like what because I
do there were things I remembered about it, and then
there were things I didn't right of course, which is
always true. And at the end, I love the voice over.
I mean, we'll refresh our viewer's memory or our listeners,
whichever we want to call them. Danny is in Evolution,
(06:34):
which is in season two towards the end. And the
thing that I remember it most for, other than the
fact that you were amazing and I was so excited
to have you, was that in this is really literally
Charlotte's first kind of positive type sex scene.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Oh interesting, Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I'd had these other sex scenes where it's kind of
like a joke or something's going horridly wrong, right, and
I'm in the scene just trying to get out of
the scene as an actor, you know what I'm trying
to say. I'm mortified and or uncomfortable as it is Charlotte, right,
And do you remember, because Pam came from commercials that
she I don't know how much you were part of
(07:14):
this because we didn't have the intimacy coordinators, but she
had a whole plan for how to film the scene
and she and I talked at length about it, and
she was gonna you know, she had the track above us,
I think, you know, and it was very cool and beautiful.
And this is the first time Charlotte's ever had a
beautiful sex scene that she's enjoying. And yet it wasn't enough,
(07:35):
I know, which I'm really sorry about. But I do
love the final I mean, this is like somewhat the
stupidity of Charlotte, right. And I really shouldn't say stupidity
of Charlotte because that will be the clickbait of this
of this talk. But you know, she had some weird
her vision was, you know, extremely elevated at this point
(07:56):
in time, right, and you had to check so many boxs.
I mean, it was elaborate, which I do think is
something that that women and probably men can relate to.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
But I do love the final voiceover, which I had
forgotten about, which says Charlotte realized that she was not
in touch with her male side enough to be involved
with someone who was so in touch with their female side.
Something did that effect, which I thought was pretty clever
and accurate. You know, Charlotte is not particularly evolved in
terms of her masculine side. Right.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah, So all right, I'm so I'm gonna this is
very deeply personal, but I'm gonna I'm going to this
wasn't you? So they're the scene on the bed before
Stephan and Charlotte have sex and you say, you sit
up and you're like, are you gay? So early in
my relationship and I just started dating Anya, she I
(08:54):
cannot tell you how many times she said, that's me indead,
She said exactly, And she said, if you are gay,
just tell me. Now that's where I fall in love.
And this continued once we got married, like and part
of it was I mean not part of it, but
like a lot of it was. I've been in Angels
(09:16):
in America, I've been on this show that winter on
and I went to Sun Dance, where I was in
a movie called Rbania. I played a gay man who's
like searching for the guy who killed his lover. You know.
Soon some time after that, I did like a four
(09:39):
episode thing on Will and Grace called back Then, where
they like Will and Jack are teaching, are teaching Jack's cousin.
I think it was how to be properly gay, you know,
so like she you know, there was a oh oh.
And I think that the last thing was I am
(10:01):
I had. I had this quilt that like at some
point I was like, I need a blanket for my bed.
Like so I'm walking through replay and I'm like, this
is a this nice blanket. I'll just buy this blanket.
And it was like, let's just say I had some
pink in it.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
This is so good.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah. It was like the first place where you know,
we were and at some point she was just like,
what are you? Why are you gay? Why? I love it.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
First of all, I didn't realize that you played that
many characters, and that is so fascinating, And what do
you think about it now when you look back on
it being a straight after playing those characters.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Well, you know, I probably wouldn't have gotten to you know,
if it was, I might not have gotten to play
that though, all those roles, and so I don't know,
I don't know they I totally believe that there I see,
you know, I see plays all the time I am
where I'm like, I know that guy's straight and he's
playing gape hard or you know, so maybe that's not true.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, it's unclear right now.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I think, yeah, there might have been more of an
issue with it, but like, I don't know, I just
felt I don't know, I felt comfortable, you know whatever.
It is a judgment and he thought about it. And
different characters are all different from one another too.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Very much, very very very different. I mean I didn't realize.
I guess I hadn't at the time. I don't think
I really would have categorized like, oh, that guy played
a gay guy, Like who cared?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Like, obviously you would want to be an Angels in America?
Who wouldn't want to be in like one of the
most brilliant and important, you know, plays about something so
important in our lives, right, oh god?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah. And also that's I mean I was in a
second cast. I replaced Joe Mantello right. That second cast
was amazing, absolutely f Marie Abraham, Oh my god, replaced
Ron Leeman, right, Steven's we now hung around for a while,
which was incredible. Cynthia Nixon marka gay Harden like unbelievable,
(12:05):
I know, and who replaced Ellen McLoughlin Cherry Jones, Oh
my god.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
And Cherry's gonna come on our show soon and I
can't wait.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Okay, well, there you go, like incredible, all of you.
The more I thought she was, I mean I sort
of idolized her already, and she had and she hadn't
done you know, half the stuff that she's done by now.
And remember she came in. She came in after I
came in. And there's a scene in the hospital where
(12:35):
ellenlo used to get a laugh on some line and
for Cherry Jones wasn't getting the laugh, Like who cares whatever,
she wasn't getting laugh And she like came to me backstage,
She's like, why am I not getting a laugh on
this line? I don't know. I have no idea. I'm
not going to give you acting advice, right but b
I have no idea. But that was that was an
(12:58):
incredible It was an incredible cast. And the truth is
a huge crush on Cynthia at the.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Time, and Cynthia had a crush on you, which I
fashed out later she did. Why do you say.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
That because I don't know because she at the time
she was with Danny.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I know, I know the other Dan another Danny. But
she and I discussed.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
You, and I remember this, yes, I do.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
So there was a collective crush on you in our world,
and so you just shared our like.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Oh and this, you know, and then and she'd be like,
oh in this.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
And the reason that I remember it is because she
was still with Danny, the father of her children, and
I thought of them at the time as like invincible
and the you know, an amazing couple. And I was
kind of like, oh, my god, you had a crush
on Danny Fireman. Oh Like I was kind of like, uh,
it was seemed dangerous to me.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
You know. Well, she didn't portray any of it.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I mean, look, she's got a good cover going on,
you know what I'm saying. She can really keep it
close to the vest. But I mean she really loved
for you in terms of you being on the show
because at that point in time, and I have to
clarify with her, she had a list of actors really
predominantly theater actors right, which she felt like, oh, they
would be amazing on the show, and she would go
(14:17):
in and pitch them, like for Sarah's guys or my
guys or her guys obviously, and you know, it was
always like just a really good kind of a you know,
like reminder to our casting people and our producers that
we have this incredible group of actors that you might
not think of.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
This is really interesting because she has never been I
guess she has never been quiet about that kind of thing.
I mean, I'm very honored that I was on her list.
But when we were doing that play, she was going
to leave after a certain period of time, she offered
you to another play. I remember what it was. And
(14:52):
I think with the story I heard is that she
told George wolf right director that if he because Steven
Spanella was going to leave by this point, that if
he hired John Cameron Mitchell to replace Stephen, she would stay.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Wow, is right. Yeah, And I don't know why, Like
sometimes directors just have this thing about actors. Yeah, I
guess maybe because John was so associated with Hedwig.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Hedwig, yes time, right, the time of Hedwig.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah right. It had just been downtown at Jane Street,
you know, and he was you know, everybody who was
in theater had seen that and just and he just
didn't want to do it, and so she left.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
She really has always been very much a champion, and
I think rightly so, because she's been in theater, you know,
her whole life, and I think she understands the kind
of sometimes forgotten about, you know, incredible riches that are
there in terms of actors, and I think for our people,
I think they did understand that. But at the same
(16:02):
time it always helped her remind you know, did like
pitch like, hey, what about this person? So when you
came the reason that it came up, and thank god
you had already met Anya, because I would have just
been like but I had to behave myself, which is good,
which is good because then you can just put it
in the work, you know what I'm saying. And when
I see us on screen, one of the things that
(16:25):
I think about, and I you know, it's hard to
separate myself from Charlotte at this point obviously, but I'm
just so comfortable with you, which is so nice.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Good together. We were really yeah, we's. I felt the
same way about those scenes. I was like, that is
a really good. First of all, it's a great storyline,
and Cindy is a great writer and really funny. But
it's also you know, every one of the stories in
that is there's nothing that's in there that's just to
(16:56):
be funny. They're all story and they are an our thing,
and I think there's like a real comfort and our
thing and you are so kind of tortured about it
and trying to figure it out and like bringing your
friends in to try to figure this out and wanting
it to work, but it just doesn't. It just doesn't
(17:16):
sit well with you. But it's a yeah, I had
a ball doing it, and I'm sad you guys aren't
continuing because I was going to use this opportunity to
pitch myself to again.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
That would have been amazing.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
You know, cater it or something.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
But oh my god, fantastic opportunity missed. The thing that's
funny about it all, and you know, I feel comfortable
talking to.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You about it.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
But it's been very, very weird the whole trying to
come back with this different, similar show, right like, different show,
which we were very clear about it's different show, you guys,
same characters, which I really think I was naive about
how weird that was for people. You know what I'm
(18:12):
saying for our fans, right Like, it's kind of asking
a lot of fans.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I guess I'm still trying to figure this out.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
But I did.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Just this morning, Cynthia sent me a podcast from people
in the New York Times. It's called Cannonball with Wesley Morris,
and he has this incredible guest, Taffy Brodessa Ackner, who
is a super fan of Sex and the City and
just like that, and she was saying things that made
me feel so much better and really gave me hope.
(18:44):
Like at this point, I'm looking for any understanding of
what we were trying.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
To do, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
What did the podcast say?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
The podcast said, this incredible woman was on I should
find her name, because I literally was listening to it
in the car on the way here.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
It says that he might sound crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
What I'm gonna say she is. I believe she's in
her early fifties or maybe forty nine, so she's slightly
younger than us, but on the precipice like middle age. Right.
She basically said, it's a documentary of middle age. I
I feel so seen, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
I feel so seen.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
And she said one of the amazing things about it
for herself was that she had watched it when she
was younger. She had a lot of really profound and
in depth things to say about the first show and
what it meant to women, and how unusual it was
to see four strong women, you know, leading a show,
which I think people forget about, right, That this was
(19:45):
kind of unheard of, right, and thank god we got
to do it, and that she used it kind of
as a model of like who she wanted to be
and how she wanted to be. And this is a
writer in New York, so of course it would be
very much in her wheelhouse or whatever. And then she
said that what the HBO Max app would do is
when she would watch it just like that, when it
(20:06):
was over, it would go into whatever episode of Sex
and the City she had last been watching, so she
would see our older selves and then it would bleed
into our younger selves. And she talked about she said
she might cry talking about it, and I might cry
talking about it because.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
It's so you know, it's like.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
The kind of you know, profoundness of the time spent,
you know, and us being on camera, you know, when
we were so young obviously I mean not that young,
but compared to now young and now, and like for us,
it was this thing where we knew, okay, people are
going to have a lot of thoughts and feelings about it,
(20:47):
but we didn't really understand the depth of confusion and
or I guess struggle about us aging and trying to
talk about the things that you talk about and deal
with in your fifties. It's like a lot people have,
like some super strong feelings about it.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah, I guess, I don't know. I don't know what
people's reaction was. But for you, I mean, I just
I'm much more interested in your reaction to it. It's
obviously solutional and meaningful. I meant, it's not only that
you guys were playing these roles that meant a lot
to people still do and a whole other generation of people.
(21:29):
But you also it's like a snapshot of your life
where you're forming these really important friendships with people. Absolutely, right,
I mean this was I was fairly early. It was
second season, right, so in terms of the entirety of
the show, So you guys are probably just becoming really
close to one another, absolutely, and seeing that and seeing
(21:52):
yourselves and remembering all those feelings. It has got to,
you know, have a profound impact. I know, just watching
the show, I was very aware that that was a
very formative year for me, and all of that stuff
kind of came up watching watching.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Me, watching the episode, you remember like all like meeting Anya,
your wife, and what you were doing.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Oh my god, I was, I was, I had met her.
I don't remember when we filmed. Sometime in the spring.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I think definitely yes, because it's towards the end of
the second season and we would go back in February,
so it was probably like like the best part of the.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah, in May or June something, act that and that
previous uh September October, I had shot. I was a
guest on homicide and that was what Anya was writing for.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Oh I forgot this.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
That's when that's when I met her, and I remember
and I had been I had been engaged to somebody,
but I think we were both pretty on happy. It
just wasn't been together like four and a half years,
and kind of like what are we doing? What are
we doing? And got engaged? Not the right decision.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Interesting, I don't remember that.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah, lesson for all the younger people listening to this
in four and a half years and you still don't know.
Maybe that's not you shouldn't be doing this right.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Good advice, good advice.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I had read the script that on your had written,
and then I remember very very clearly walking out of
my little cubby trail, you know, like you get your guest,
you get its tiny little ques yes, and walking out
and being total that's the writer, and thinking that's the
person I should be engaged to. Ah, wow, a little unfair.
(23:44):
She's beautiful, but also she had written it was like
a little unfair. It wasn't just like I had read
something that she had written that was meaningful to her,
so I knew something about her. But I really did
have that.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Thought, that's amazing, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
We have an episode a couple times ago about love
first sight, and I say, yes, I have experienced on it.
First I it did not work out for me, which
is the sad part. But I have experienced it and
it was a great experience. But I love to hear
that you experienced it and it worked out. And can
I add that I lent my house to you guys.
I feel like I'm invested, like I'm part of it.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Are you still in that same house or no?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
No, no, I saw that house.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Okay, So you did an incredibly kind thing for me
because I was I was going out to La I
did not live there, and I was going to be
on a regular on a show judging Amy with Amy.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot that that was the show.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Oh my gosh, amazing.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
And you really kindly said, do you I'm not going
to be there in the spring, do you want to
stay there because you're probably shooting the.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
New season exactly?
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, And I said that's really great. Yes, I would
love to you. And it was gorgeous, such a gorgeous house,
and like thank you. And then it was like I
didn't even tell you. Oh, by the way, Anya is
going to be.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Staying with me, Well, you don't have to tell me.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Can I say who you were dating at the time.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Who is it?
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Whisper No, I'm not gonna whisper it. I'll just he's okay.
I actually just saw him the homicide reunion, which I.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Went, okay, then you can talk about it.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yes, if he's okay, then please talk about it.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
He's great, I said to him. I think that was
the last time I saw him. I think it might
have been the last one for you. Oh my god,
you remember what happened. You walked in the house with him,
and you had left me a message saying him and
be home this weekend. And Annie and I were like,
we I think we were in bed. We were not
(25:45):
like having sex in bed, but I think we were
in bed.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I don't remember this, Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
And you were like, oh, oh, you were so you
were so nice, though I can't imagine what was going
on inside. You're like, oh no, no, no, it's okay,
it's okay, don't worry about it. I had not even
think I had a cell phone at the time, so
I didn't missage my messages.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Oh I love it.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
You were so nice, and you were like, we're gonna
go stay in hotel. It's totally fine, totally fine, and
you left with read Diamond read Diamond two.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Who it was I did?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I did date read Diamond.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I do not remember walking in the house and you
not knowing that I was coming. I remember that I
said to you go stay in my house because also
I had.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Like for me.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
You know, the success of the show obviously unexpected. You
never think these things are going to succeed, you know
how it is, And so I had bought this house.
I feel like after the pilot, before the show, and
I remember going to the show and Sara Jusca saying like,
are you crazy?
Speaker 3 (26:41):
And I was like, it's going great. Why should I
buy this house?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Like weirdly, you know, Pollyanna right, But it was a
really special like I called it my treehouse.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
It was like up in the canyon andazing right, thank you,
thank you so much. I loved it. Not everyone loved it.
I had a terrible time selling it, but I.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Did sell it eventually because I need a bigger house
for the kids. Because it was kind of a treehouse.
It wasn't necessarily like a huge house. It was just special,
I thought.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
And being enough to family in case, just if you're
not worried about them falling off of the.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Baloty one percent. It was not the safest house for
little children. I did have my one child there, and
I just policed her, you know, like super But then
I guess we got a bit more of a flat, flatterhouse,
not so far up. But I had guilt about that house, right,
Like it was so weird to own a house. I
had never owned a house, so I was always feeling like, oh,
(27:33):
does someone need a house, Like, please stay in my
house if I liked you, obviously, do you know what
I mean? And for you guys, I didn't. I wouldn't.
I mean, you didn't have to tell me anything about
what you were doing, as long as you weren't like,
you know, having the police called or whatever I'm saying.
And I remember thinking that Aunia was so cool, Like
I was like, oh, thank god, he's with an awesome
woman since he's not with me, and I guess.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I was with the ready.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I felt like I pulled such a dick move and
was like.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Sure, oh, oh my god, you're a grown up. You're
a grown up. No. I just remember, like, for me,
it made me so happy that you were staying there,
right because I had my little secret crush on you.
Apparently I was Danny Reids, so I really shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Have been having a crush on you.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I can never remember things linearly, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Oh yeah, And if there are a lot of them,
then you.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Know, it's very very difficult, a lot of a lot
of boyfriends. I don't know, there aren't that.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Many boyfriends because the schedule was such that it was
really pretty much impossible to survive, which I don't know
if Reid mentioned was like basically the problem with what
happened there. I mean, I'm sure other problems. He's happily
married now, thank god, good for him. But you know,
we were dating into the third season and the third season, yeah,
(28:43):
young in there for a while. And the third season,
I remember the first week that we went back to
work was one hundred hour week. Oh god, yeah, and
here I'm dating at the time, an unemployed actor. I mean,
what hell must he have been in you know?
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Yeah? And you know when you and both I can
never see you and stop complaining you're working, Yes, exactly,
because homicide had just got gotten canceled stupidly. Yep, that's
why Annie was able to come out.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, right, right, And it's so sad. That was like
an incredible show, an incredible show in all the ways.
I had forgotten all of that. Oh my god, I
love it. And so they just had a homicide reunion.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
It was like a thirtieth reunion of when it started.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Maybe wow yeah, wow, wow wow wow love it homicide
Life on the Street.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
You guys look it up.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yeah, that's a it's an It was a really groundbreaking show.
I mean, it was really like an HBO show, but
it was on NBC.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Absolutely true, absolutely true.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
And and that cat, I mean, it was. It was incredible. Yeah.
Tom Fontana just had who is a creator of it,
you know, just has kind of a mass, this enormous family.
He and Barry Levinson and and so I was I'm
a part of it because of Anya I had, you know,
I was in a you know, one episode. So yeah,
(30:06):
and that's where I saw read there and it was
really nice to see him connect. And I apologized to
him and he said, no, I don't care, as I
never would have been able to stay in the herbitage
if I if I was.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Wow, I can't remember, I can't remember any of this.
Isn't that funny. It's funny because like when I'm rewatching,
because I had never seen the episodes before, I've been
rewatching for the podcast, and I have such vivid memories
of some of it and then some of it, like
I didn't remember. I knew intellectually that there was something
that went wrong with our relationship on screen, right, But
(30:40):
mostly what I remember is that we were so excited
to get you, and I remember talking to Cynthia about you,
and then I remember this sex scene because I had
so many fears and then ended up really enjoying it
because you, of course are a respectful and lovely co
star and were very much you know, in it with
me in a way where it was like easy, you
(31:01):
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
It wasn't hard.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
It was really comfortable. I mean, and I I really credited.
I had no idea that you had spoken through talked
through it with Pam, which is great. I say, Pam
as if I know her. I just she directed that.
I thought she was terrific me too, and she made
it really comfortable. It was kind of quick. Yeah, even
though I.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Don't really I didn't remember all I remember all the positions.
I just was like, oh, one memory of it, and
then I was like, oh my god, they might we
must have filmed for a while. I know it was
a lot, remember that, but I feel like she was like, here,
sit up, I'm gonna and she got like one shot
and said, okay, do this.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It was really quick and she hadn't planned out.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, and you seemed really comfortable, which makes which made
me feel comfortable because it's you know I I have
as a guy, you're supposed to feel comfortable, you know,
that's sort of what you're but you seem totally fine.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
So that means I'm so glad.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I think that's because it was you, because she did
really include me, and because I did love the story,
like it was a very different type of story for
Charlotte than compared to what she had been having. And
I credit Cindy and the writing you know, with that
as well, and then casting you. It was like one
of my most because in my mind, first season, second
(32:18):
season we're kind of a wash in a weird way
in terms of like storylines, because I think we were
just trying to find ourselves in a lot of ways.
When I look back now that I'm rewatching, a lot
of the episodes are so incredibly good, so much better
than what I remembered. But in my mind, this one
was up at the tippy top in terms of enjoyment factor,
in terms of like a beginning, middle, and an end
(32:39):
of a storyline for Charlotte, which kind of took a
while for those to get going.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I mean, you do. I mean, I look, I'm biased,
but I think you had a great story You had
a great storyline. But all the storylines work, right, exactly. Yeah.
It's not always the case in every show, right, So
it's hard, but I think all of them worked in
this one. Yeah. Then, because I'm lazy, I'm like, I
watched it and then you know, it's like ten nine
eight and the next one's going to start, and I'm like,
(33:05):
I don't feel like reaching for the remote. Let's watch it.
And the next one is good too, And it was
interesting to see Sarah Jessica Parker do something totally different
that which was she got and it reminds you like, oh,
she's a really good actor because a lot of it's
kind of light in the you know, but she was
(33:27):
really pissed at mister Big for you know, and she
gets really angry.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah I remember this.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah it's good, And so that was it was kind
of nice to see here. I'm curious about this actually,
sure one the one thing, not the one thing, but
among the things I thought watching it was, Uh, there's,
for instance, the sea. We're walking down the street. I
think it's the first time you meet my character, right,
(33:55):
we're walking exactly, yes, yeah, and the han cab right,
hail the cab.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Oh, I know, right, I know what you're gonna say.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
And it's there's a lot of silence, there's like and
the lines weren't written. And I'm curious if later on.
I mean, I thought I'm not going to add I
just I can imagine what I was thinking. I'm not
going to add lib. This is a funny script. I'm
not going to stay up like you know, there's all
a lot of it's one take because.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
It's just us, which I love so much.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I'm not going to fix out. So yeah, I'm not
going to add lib because maybe they might not want it.
Or and but it's a lot it's there's a lot
of gaping holes in it, even though it's edited to
fit together, right, you guys add lib later on?
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Or that just was we were not allowed to add
lib because one time they let us and then they
just lost control.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah, I bet no.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
And you know how tightly Michael Patrick writes, right, like,
his comedy is very like the rhythm is really kind
of fast, and it's very tight, right at least the
first show. And I think what happened when I watched it.
I was also confused in that scene. First of all,
I just love a Wonner. I'm like, oh my god,
the days of a Wonner. Oh God, I love it
(35:14):
so much. And we just kind of lost that somewhere
along the way. And I think some of it was
because we couldn't afford other things back then, right, But
also just as an actor, the joy of walking down
to New York City Street in a Wuner it's just
h so special. So I also, like, you know, when
I go to hail the cabin, I'm supposedly showing my
leg which I absolutely do not do. I'm like, Okay,
(35:39):
that's really funny and weird. I hate my legs, which
I know, and I'm sure you know. Pat also was
not always a fan of my legs. Oh no, for real,
for real, don't even get me started. But yeah, yeah,
not so much. So I thought about that watching it.
Because also there's a long silence there where you're like,
what's happening.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Exactly, Like, yeah, there are two cars coming in, Like
I get, it's not part of the one shot anymore.
It's there's coverage there because the cars have to have
to come in, right.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
But it's weird. It's weird, and this is what I
think it is.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Also.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
First of all, I think it's the woner and trying
to cut together, right. But I also think because we
still had the voiceover, there would have to be weird
times and scenes where you weren't talking but you're still
acting because she's gonna connect it with the voiceover. But
what they did do, and I would have to ask
Cindy specifically about this episode, they would sometimes change the
(36:35):
voiceover later Oh yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
That could have been.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
It could have been that there was supposed to be
more voiceover, but then they changed it once they saw
our performance.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
That's interesting because there are kind of no lines after
I kiss you, right, and it's the total silence as
if I'm waiting for a reaction and you're getting there's
no conversation, you get no, right.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
It's odd, But it's also I thought it was so
great because I couldn't remember either. I was like, oh
my god, what's happening.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
What's happening?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
But also you kissed me so well, you know, like
it's so good.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
But it doesn't. It's sort of the end of it.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
And then it's like okay, silence definitely, and I don't
say buyer anything. But then they cut to me and
I touched my glasses, which I'm pretty sure Pam told
me to do because it doesn't even look like I
really want to touch my glasses. It looks like I
just want to stare at you. But I touched my
glasses because someone told me to. But I think it
was also I would say budget stuff, right, because like
(37:37):
I think that Pam had this very visual plan. She
had storyboards, I remember, and like none of our directors
had storyboards. Like that was a shock, like.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
What, oh my god, got it? No, it's a really
it's a well shot show.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Right, And I think for her she was trying to
get her visual plan in order and yet afford it, right, yeah,
which is always a struggle, as you know. Is there
anything else that you remember about the time, and like,
what did people say to you after the show?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Oh? I remember my friend Craig thought I had totally
stolen his personality and that I.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Was playing That's funny.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
It was like a Craig. I have a lot of
gay friends. But but no, I just I mean, I'm
not I'm just playing. I'm just playing the part. But
he to this day feels like I was. And this
is a this is a sort of I get recognized
from this part, so.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
You do look the same. See.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
I love that it does become more and more of
a compliment if I if I get recognized, nice because
I don't act anymore. You know, so I.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Don't, So you don't act at all.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
I mean I would act in something maybe if it
came up, but I wouldn't go to Queen's on audition
for it.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Got it?
Speaker 3 (38:51):
I don't. I don't know that I feel totally. I'm
not sure if I would feel totally comfortable. Would I would? See?
Maybe I would. I haven't done it a while.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
So you're just writing and like show running and or
producing and or directing, not directing, not directing. Okay, so
you're producing, creating, writing, Yeah, sometimes on.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
You know, sometimes on my own. I'm doing something now
with another friend of mine. So yeah, So if I
get recognized. It's from a while ago, and I definitely
take it as a compliment now, yeah, right, because twenty
five years ago or more.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Absolutely, And then I try to you know, there are
times when because it's not it doesn't happen very often
because it is so long ago. But there are a
few things that I might get recognized from, and if
I do, I try to guess what it is. I'm
like in.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
My yeah, what it is, Yeah, the bird ca.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Right, yeah, that and that's because that's continued in a
way that this has too. That's like that is still
something that I thought that would not have aged well. Yeah,
if I could have predicted fifteen years ago, Yeah, would
this you know, given sort of changing cultural environment, would
that have aged poorly? I would think yes, but not at.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
All interesting all love it.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
And in same with the first sex in the city.
I mean, I don't think that has aged very.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Well, better than one would have thought.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
When I got asked, my agent just sent me an email,
do you They asked, if you want to do this,
do you want to do it? And I was at first,
I was like a little nervous about us. I don't know,
I do this, I'm not sure. And I mentioned it
my daughters who are or twenty five and nineteen twenty four.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
I got wow.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I said they happened to be around and I was like,
should I should I do this? And they were absolutely
have to do this because they are fans of the show.
Its you know, it really amazing in a way that
you would think, you know, these things would not.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I mean, yeah, I know, it's incredible and we feel
so like just incredibly grateful and lucky. You know.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
It's just luck really that we.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Happen to be there at the right time and get
the chance to do what we wanted to do, you know,
and that it connected because you never know if anything
is going to connect.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
It's true, and that you continued to have these great
writers that stayed, that stayed with.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Absolutely absolutely, that's a hard thing in our business.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Yes, it is. People leave other things and and what
I guess, I'm not sure how how long Cindy Shoeback
stuck Am was she Therefore I.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Think she stayed till the end. Yeah, I mean some
Cindy and Jenny got big deals to go off and
do their own thing. But I feel and I'd have
to double check if shoes there to the bitter end,
you know what I'm saying. But like Duff, only the
final season she was there. Yeah, and then they went
off and did their own things. But I mean we
still see them, which is just such a joy.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Yeah, I know, that's really mean. It's helped really helps
the show stay together. And then you know, all you
guys wanted to continue to do it. I'm sure there
was a there were conversations at some point, should we
keep doing it? Should we not? They probably had some
of you for what five years or something, and then
you I mean they had me for seven.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
I don't ever like to talk about anyone else.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
I had like a standard like standard pilot deal, right,
and I would have kept going. But because Sarah and
Sin had both had babies towards the towards right before
the final season. I think Sarah, Jessica especially Cynthia is
so like, oh yeah, I have a baby, It's fine.
You know, She's very like, I can't do anything. But
(42:47):
I think Sarah, because it was her first, really felt,
you know, the need to be there, and you know
the struggle of like am I a good enough mom?
If I'm at work? It's a hard thing obviously to navigate,
and so she I think think also very similar to
now and just like that, Michael and Sarah are very
much a partnership.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
You know, they work very well together, very closely together.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
They respect each other creatively, and at the time, I
feel like both of them felt when the first show
ended Sex and the City, so that would have been
two thousand and four, they felt like, it's so hard
to make a weekly show and keep it good, you know,
and the rest of us were like, what I don't end,
you know, like I just remember, just just absolute panic.
(43:31):
But I do think, I mean, you've made shows yourselves
like it's grueling for the writers.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
It can be. I've only written well shorter shows guys
were doing. I didn't realize the second season was eighteen episodes.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I know, I think the third season might be twenty
one or something. It was a lot.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
I've never done something like that. It was more like ten.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Right, Well that's how it is now nowadays, you know,
ten is like normal or whatever.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Right, it's very very different.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
So you plan in advance, you write in advance.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Most of it's written in advance. Well, at least the
things that I've done tend to have been so because
that ends up being less expensive, you know, because you
can plan it all out and what are you shooting together?
You know all this. But but it's yeah, I mean,
you just got you guys hit something. I guess it's lucky.
I guess it's just you know, you guys are all
(44:25):
so talented, and you worked well together, and you had
great writing, and you got a you know, a bunch
of great directors that kept coming back, right.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah, so important, Yeah, so important.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
I assume your crew hung around because.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Oh yeah, you know what.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Also, I'm so silly, like I don't know lately, I
think because I didn't realize that we were going to
end and just like that, so I'm still processing and
like so Pollyanna that I thought we would just keep going.
But like when we came back, I thought we would
have the same crew. We couldn't get the same crew
because they had all moved on bigger things, retired or retired.
(45:03):
Absolutely absolutely correct.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
I mean we did get.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Some like we got our set people back. But like Jeremy,
who had been our I guess he was like our
overall designer of everything. He went on to do the Olympics.
Like I'm saying like insane things. And then our I
saw some behind the scenes pictures the other day and
our focus pullar Joe Collins is now like a big
(45:28):
deal DP, you know, like huge end or director.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
You know what I'm saying. Let he should be right.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
So I'm thrilled for them. But I remember when we
got to it just like that.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
I was like, people are.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
All so young, Oh my gosh, but that's how it
should be, right, like new people coming up, and they
were incredible on their own. So but I remember just like, wait,
where where are the other people?
Speaker 3 (45:49):
Yeah yeah, I mean probably you're looking for that sense
of security.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Too, yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
And in my mind it would because we were the same, right,
with some new additions obviously, but you know, we were together,
and so I just kind of in my mind assumed
that the larger picture would be the same.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
But the world has changed.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
I mean, it's such a different environment to go back
to work.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
And that was when we went back to work.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
It was just right after COVID, so it was really
you know early days, like the masks and all the stuff,
you know what I mean, Right.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Yeah, that was a bumner. How did you feel integrating
the new characters into.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
I loved it so much because they are just incredible
people and incredible characters, and it made it exciting for us.
I mean, I guess apparently that was part of what
people didn't like.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
I don't know. I don't even know why.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I'm trying to figure out people because it's confusing.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Can I tell you my issue?
Speaker 2 (46:44):
My issue?
Speaker 1 (46:44):
I used to really try to protect myself from you know,
media and critics and whatever. But because the podcast, I'm
more kind of in it, you know what I'm trying
to say, Like, like I look at more stuff. My
phone knows that I'm always talking about sex and the city,
so it's all showing me stuff annoyingly. So it's just
I'm more in the world of it all than I
(47:06):
used to be. I used to just feel like I
know what it is inside me.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
I know what I wanted to do, I know what
we did, I know what we meant to do. And
I still do feel that, especially with and just like that,
like I know what we were making. I don't know
what people were necessarily seeing when they watched it, but
I think like that's how our business is.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
People are projecting all kind of things of their own
and their own expectations and or desires and or disappointments
or whatever it is. They have such strong feelings. And
so when I can be calm about it, I know
that that's a compliment, right.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
It will for you guys, people that feel so personally
about you guys too. But but you have that I mean,
you know, in the various shows that I've done, you
get praise, that's great, you get slammed that sucks, but
you have no control over it. And it's not as
if you tried harder or less hard without a less
(48:05):
of yourself. And to the ones that just don't click, right,
it's it's just part of the territory. But it's it's uh,
it's painful.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
It can be really painful. Yeah, And it's just been
My biggest thing is that it's been very confusing. I'm
still confused, and I do not like to be confused.
I like to understand things, right, So I am somewhat
trying to seek some understanding and I am getting some,
you know, I'm getting some. Cynthia sent me something really
helpful today. Cynthia is always there for me, trying to
(48:34):
you know, talk talk calmly and practically to me, which
is a great thing because I'm I'm often kind of
up in my you know, like fantasy world some somewhat.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
You're also so deeply in it doing this podcast too,
so it's in you're and you're revisiting it with you know,
me and somebody else next week, and and so that's hard.
It's hard to escape. It is hard to everybody says, oh,
I'm sorry you guys aren't on anymore, you know.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
And that's that's nice. That's nice because you're in it
and you understand what it's like. I mean, it's better
than people going like oh, Noord and upward. I'm like, no, no, no,
I'm not there yet. People, Oh, this just happened, and
I didn't know what was happening, so give me a moment.
But yeah, I mean, I do love looking back at
it though, because I hadn't, like I said, I hadn't
(49:19):
looked at it, and I'm just so it's kind of amazing.
I'm just like amazed by it because I mean people
will talk to me obviously about it all the time,
and like your daughter's like when it came on Netflix
and the younger people started watching. I was like, this
is amazing. That's why I wanted to do the podcast.
And then the joy of the podcast is getting to
talk to people like you and Cindy and also knew
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people who are fans of the show, Like it's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
It's my kind of thing, right.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Like to investigate and talk about and talk about our
memories and also like how the world has changed or
not changed.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
So I do love that part.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
It's just sometimes hard to incorporate all everybody's thoughts and feelings.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah, it's worse.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
And making the transition from just celebrating it is an
incredible weird continuing to Ugh, you're like your mourning in
a little bit right now.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Wahre celebrating for sure, Danny.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Let me tell you, it was like suddenly walking into
your own funeral when you didn't know it was coming.
I mean, it was like we died. At a certain point.
I had to be like, okay, I got to stop.
I got to put my phone down. My phone is
currently ruined for me. I cannot look at Instagram.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
I cannot see any more pictures of our.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Young selves and the odes, you know, they're lovely odes
to the death of our characters, but they didn't die.
And I'm here and I'm fine, I'm good, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
Yeah, but sad, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
It is sad. I'm not dead. This is you know
where I'm at right now.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
And you know what the joy is. Sarah and something
and I had dinner I think last week in New York,
and you know, all the time, you know, ever since
we started nineteen ninety seven or whatever it was us
we sometimes were working and sometimes we weren't, but we're
always in each other's lives. Yeah, so that's I need
to just like, no one's leaving my life. You know,
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that's our on screen life. That's not our real life, right,
that's important. But yeah, I mean I am as you know,
anytime a job ends, you're kind of warning it in
a way, right, But this is like our kind of
our lifelong job.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
And in reality, it's.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
Hard to really believe that it will end because again,
I'm going to see them all and we're all going
to do stuff, I'm sure or whatever.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
And you and play the roles.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Right, right, I mean that hasn't happened yet, but I
really look forward to it.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
You know, and yes, and I think I mean, I
was curious to ask you this.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Tell me.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Obviously, it's an incredible blessing to have this and have
it last for so long. I also would imagine that
you and others have felt like, oh, there were opportunities
you you didn't get to do because people associated you
quite closely with these roles.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
I mean for sure.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yeah, I mean I don't even know what they are,
you know what I mean, I don't even think they
come to you, right, like, like they just you're kind
of like your energy in the business is kind of
sucked up by this, you know what I mean. Right,
but you know what it's like, what are you going
to do about that? There's really nothing to do.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
There's nothing you can do about it. But I think,
right the what I'm saying is that maybe you'll be
sprung from that a little bit.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
I mean, let's hope so, because God knows, we have
a very big profile. Yeah, let's put that to use
for something else, you know what I mean, because no
one can stop talking about us, which is interesting, very interesting.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Yeah. Yeah, but you got a lot of You've got
a lot of years of acting.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
I hope, so because I love it, yes, you know,
so you know, just.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
It brings new opportunities as well.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
I mean, yeah, I'm I'm slightly getting there, you know,
like like I think. Also because we started working on
and just like that right after COVID, right, so we'd
been like a year plus of like no one being
able to do anything, which made it even more exciting
to get to go back to these much loved characters
that we get to do together. Right, But it is
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hard to remember back before when like you'd get this job,
you'd get that job, you know what I mean, like
that kind of it's almost like a journeyman thinking, you know,
like I look forward to that.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
I'm ready for that. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
I mean sometimes you send you things to develop and
I'm like I will try to develop things.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
But we all know that's very hard. Yes it is, Yes,
it is very hard.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
As you know, but yeah, it's all our business is crazy,
as you know, and we're just lucky to still be
in it. Yep, Danny, you're incredible.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
You're incredible yourself.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
I'm so glad that you could come on. Thank you
for the actor Pep dog I needed it.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
Yeah, well you deserve it. You deserve everything good that's
coming to you.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
In the future.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Danny, you too.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Tell Anya Hi, I will, and tell your daughters thank
you because I really really wanted you to come on.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Made me very happy. Thank you. Nice to see you
over Zoom.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
Good to see you too,
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte? Hi, everybody, welcome back to Are You
a Charlotte? Today we have a really special episode. It
is a catching up with friends episode and we're talking
to the incredible Danny Futterman, who was in the episode Evolution,
which is season two, episode eleven. It's a fantastic episode
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where he plays my would be boyfriend Stefan, who is
very in touch with his feminine side, shall we say so.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
The thing that I want to say about Danny he.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Is so so brilliant as a person and an actor.
But also he went on after our show to be
nominated for an Oscar for writing Capodi, which is an
incredible film if you haven't seen it, so so good.
And he's created shows and he's a showrunner and a
writer now. So this is a really fun conversation. Please
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enjoy listening. Hi, how are you.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I'm good. I'm good. It's great to see you.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
You good, It's so great to see you. And you
look just the same.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Oh yeah, we looked just the same.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Let's just go with that.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
We look great.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
But okay, okay, fair enough to me, you look the
same because I literally just watched the episode, right, which
is so crazy.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I just watch it too, But I didn't have the
separate thought. I was like, I'm I am so young,
like who we really are? Child?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Oh well, I think I was equally equally young looking,
right like. But also it is kind of like to me,
I feel the same, you know inside, so like I
have that very weird dichotomy like I look so young,
but I remember it like it was yesterday in a way.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
You know. Yeah, I remember a lot of it. I
remember all of it.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
No, I didn't remember all of what's on camera, right,
Like you have kind of like a like a filter
in your memory of like like the good parts for
like as an actor or whatever. Right, right, Well, first
of all, let me back up. It was I know
you're working. That's the other thing I want to talk about.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I am working, you know, as a writer, like trying
to get stuff going. You know.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, I'm so impressed.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
That makes you know, well, thanks, Sometimes I am. Sometimes
I'm just disappointed.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Well, I mean that's our business, isn't it, right, Like
it's always going to be one with the other.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
There's never just glory, right, That's right?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
And look, I should say at the top of this,
I'm sorry. I don't know how you feel about the
fact that you guys aren't continuing.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Oh, very upset. I'm very upset.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
I'm very upset and confused. And thank you for saying
you're sorry, because you know, we've all been through so
many different things right in our careers, and you've been
nominated for an oscar, like since you were on Sex
and the City, which was really kind of like somewhat
early in your career.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Though.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
I remember at the time that I thought, you know,
you'd been on Broadway with Cynthia and Angels in America,
and you know, you were a big deal to us
at the time, and then you became an even greater
deal in terms of your multifaceted career.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Okay, all right, you get to rewind a second. They
meant audition for this, ah, so I love and I
was getting some offers or stuff, not a lot, but
I was like, I'm going to go out to Queen's
to audition for like a one episode thing. Seriously, but
I was going to do it.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Shame on them.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Well, I'm glad you did it, thank God, thank god.
I mean, look, auditioning, I think is always semi much
a nightmare, so I'm not good at it at all,
but I have enjoyed because we all remember our first
trip to Queens as well and being like, uh, where
are we?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
What is happening? What is the show?
Speaker 1 (03:48):
And whenever I talk to people and they tell me
their funny audition stories about how either they refused to
go and they missed out on one role and then
they come back or whatever it is, and then they
had to get out there and they were like, where's
It's a very enjoyable part of it all for me
because I remember that also vividly too. But it's funny
because I know that at that point, I feel like
one of the things we were trying to do that
(04:09):
Cynthia was really a big part of was trying to
get great theater actors because we had access, you know,
to all the great theater actors, and here we are
in Manhattan.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
There was Law and Order and there was us, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Yeah, Well, it was like, you know, it was one
of those God sends. There were not that many shows
right that were shooting in New York, and I don't
know how many times I auditioned for Law and Order
and I never order like I cried, I got angry.
I you know, my child was kidnapped, like whatever it was.
(04:41):
Oh my god, I was a stalker. I like whatever
it was. And I never I never got in that show.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
One one New York actor who's never been on that show.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Oh my god, I'm me neither me neither, but I'm
not totally actor.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
But we're bus there.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I was. I was, in fact busy. Yes, it's true.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
So when you went out to see our guys, did
you have to go more than once?
Speaker 3 (05:03):
No? I went out and it was basically like, I mean,
everybody's very nice. It was what the What I remember
was I think Cindy Shupac was there, probably Pam Thomas,
who direct, and and I think maybe Jenny Bicks, but
I don't but I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Well those are all the people that we collectively were
crushing on you, so that makes sense. But I just
said Cindy on and she was like, oh, Futterman, and
I was like, Futterman, like we just had a whole moment.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah, okay, okay, but it was it was, you know,
it was like a semi humiliating audition where they're basically like,
get up on a chair and be scared.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
No, wow, wow, yes, you certainly did. You certainly did.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I mean the thing, I love so many things about
your part and that episode, and and we did discuss
with Cindy like what holds up?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
What doesn't hold up?
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Do you remember at the time everyone was saying was
saying the word metro sexual as though it was like
a thing, And now it's gone.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I think that's okay, Like I reard, what's wrong with that?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Totally?
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I don't know. I mean that was what Cindy and
I were talking about too, like like what because I
do there were things I remembered about it, and then
there were things I didn't right of course, which is
always true. And at the end, I love the voice over.
I mean, we'll refresh our viewer's memory or our listeners,
whichever we want to call them. Danny is in Evolution,
(06:34):
which is in season two towards the end. And the
thing that I remember it most for, other than the
fact that you were amazing and I was so excited
to have you, was that in this is really literally
Charlotte's first kind of positive type sex scene.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Oh interesting, Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I'd had these other sex scenes where it's kind of
like a joke or something's going horridly wrong, right, and
I'm in the scene just trying to get out of
the scene as an actor, you know what I'm trying
to say. I'm mortified and or uncomfortable as it is Charlotte, right,
And do you remember, because Pam came from commercials that
she I don't know how much you were part of
(07:14):
this because we didn't have the intimacy coordinators, but she
had a whole plan for how to film the scene
and she and I talked at length about it, and
she was gonna you know, she had the track above us,
I think, you know, and it was very cool and beautiful.
And this is the first time Charlotte's ever had a
beautiful sex scene that she's enjoying. And yet it wasn't enough,
(07:35):
I know, which I'm really sorry about. But I do
love the final I mean, this is like somewhat the
stupidity of Charlotte, right. And I really shouldn't say stupidity
of Charlotte because that will be the clickbait of this
of this talk. But you know, she had some weird
her vision was, you know, extremely elevated at this point
(07:56):
in time, right, and you had to check so many boxs.
I mean, it was elaborate, which I do think is
something that that women and probably men can relate to.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
But I do love the final voiceover, which I had
forgotten about, which says Charlotte realized that she was not
in touch with her male side enough to be involved
with someone who was so in touch with their female side.
Something did that effect, which I thought was pretty clever
and accurate. You know, Charlotte is not particularly evolved in
terms of her masculine side. Right.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah, So all right, I'm so I'm gonna this is
very deeply personal, but I'm gonna I'm going to this
wasn't you? So they're the scene on the bed before
Stephan and Charlotte have sex and you say, you sit
up and you're like, are you gay? So early in
my relationship and I just started dating Anya, she I
(08:54):
cannot tell you how many times she said, that's me indead,
She said exactly, And she said, if you are gay,
just tell me. Now that's where I fall in love.
And this continued once we got married, like and part
of it was I mean not part of it, but
like a lot of it was. I've been in Angels
(09:16):
in America, I've been on this show that winter on
and I went to Sun Dance, where I was in
a movie called Rbania. I played a gay man who's
like searching for the guy who killed his lover. You know.
Soon some time after that, I did like a four
(09:39):
episode thing on Will and Grace called back Then, where
they like Will and Jack are teaching, are teaching Jack's cousin.
I think it was how to be properly gay, you know,
so like she you know, there was a oh oh.
And I think that the last thing was I am
(10:01):
I had. I had this quilt that like at some
point I was like, I need a blanket for my bed.
Like so I'm walking through replay and I'm like, this
is a this nice blanket. I'll just buy this blanket.
And it was like, let's just say I had some
pink in it.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
This is so good.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah. It was like the first place where you know,
we were and at some point she was just like,
what are you? Why are you gay? Why? I love it.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
First of all, I didn't realize that you played that
many characters, and that is so fascinating, And what do
you think about it now when you look back on
it being a straight after playing those characters.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Well, you know, I probably wouldn't have gotten to you know,
if it was, I might not have gotten to play
that though, all those roles, and so I don't know,
I don't know they I totally believe that there I see,
you know, I see plays all the time I am
where I'm like, I know that guy's straight and he's
playing gape hard or you know, so maybe that's not true.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, it's unclear right now.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I think, yeah, there might have been more of an
issue with it, but like, I don't know, I just
felt I don't know, I felt comfortable, you know whatever.
It is a judgment and he thought about it. And
different characters are all different from one another too.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Very much, very very very different. I mean I didn't realize.
I guess I hadn't at the time. I don't think
I really would have categorized like, oh, that guy played
a gay guy, Like who cared?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Like, obviously you would want to be an Angels in America?
Who wouldn't want to be in like one of the
most brilliant and important, you know, plays about something so
important in our lives, right, oh god?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah. And also that's I mean I was in a
second cast. I replaced Joe Mantello right. That second cast
was amazing, absolutely f Marie Abraham, Oh my god, replaced
Ron Leeman, right, Steven's we now hung around for a while,
which was incredible. Cynthia Nixon marka gay Harden like unbelievable,
(12:05):
I know, and who replaced Ellen McLoughlin Cherry Jones, Oh
my god.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
And Cherry's gonna come on our show soon and I
can't wait.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Okay, well, there you go, like incredible, all of you.
The more I thought she was, I mean I sort
of idolized her already, and she had and she hadn't
done you know, half the stuff that she's done by now.
And remember she came in. She came in after I
came in. And there's a scene in the hospital where
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ellenlo used to get a laugh on some line and
for Cherry Jones wasn't getting the laugh, Like who cares whatever,
she wasn't getting laugh And she like came to me backstage,
She's like, why am I not getting a laugh on
this line? I don't know. I have no idea. I'm
not going to give you acting advice, right but b
I have no idea. But that was that was an
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incredible It was an incredible cast. And the truth is
a huge crush on Cynthia at the.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Time, and Cynthia had a crush on you, which I
fashed out later she did. Why do you say.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
That because I don't know because she at the time
she was with Danny.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
I know, I know the other Dan another Danny. But
she and I discussed.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
You, and I remember this, yes, I do.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
So there was a collective crush on you in our world,
and so you just shared our like.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Oh and this, you know, and then and she'd be like,
oh in this.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
And the reason that I remember it is because she
was still with Danny, the father of her children, and
I thought of them at the time as like invincible
and the you know, an amazing couple. And I was
kind of like, oh, my god, you had a crush
on Danny Fireman. Oh Like I was kind of like, uh,
it was seemed dangerous to me.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
You know. Well, she didn't portray any of it.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I mean, look, she's got a good cover going on,
you know what I'm saying. She can really keep it
close to the vest. But I mean she really loved
for you in terms of you being on the show
because at that point in time, and I have to
clarify with her, she had a list of actors really
predominantly theater actors right, which she felt like, oh, they
would be amazing on the show, and she would go
(14:17):
in and pitch them, like for Sarah's guys or my
guys or her guys obviously, and you know, it was
always like just a really good kind of a you know,
like reminder to our casting people and our producers that
we have this incredible group of actors that you might
not think of.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
This is really interesting because she has never been I
guess she has never been quiet about that kind of thing.
I mean, I'm very honored that I was on her list.
But when we were doing that play, she was going
to leave after a certain period of time, she offered
you to another play. I remember what it was. And
(14:52):
I think with the story I heard is that she
told George wolf right director that if he because Steven
Spanella was going to leave by this point, that if
he hired John Cameron Mitchell to replace Stephen, she would stay.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Wow, is right. Yeah, And I don't know why, Like
sometimes directors just have this thing about actors. Yeah, I
guess maybe because John was so associated with Hedwig.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Hedwig, yes time, right, the time of Hedwig.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah right. It had just been downtown at Jane Street,
you know, and he was you know, everybody who was
in theater had seen that and just and he just
didn't want to do it, and so she left.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
She really has always been very much a champion, and
I think rightly so, because she's been in theater, you know,
her whole life, and I think she understands the kind
of sometimes forgotten about, you know, incredible riches that are
there in terms of actors, and I think for our people,
I think they did understand that. But at the same
(16:02):
time it always helped her remind you know, did like
pitch like, hey, what about this person? So when you
came the reason that it came up, and thank god
you had already met Anya, because I would have just
been like but I had to behave myself, which is good,
which is good because then you can just put it
in the work, you know what I'm saying. And when
I see us on screen, one of the things that
(16:25):
I think about, and I you know, it's hard to
separate myself from Charlotte at this point obviously, but I'm
just so comfortable with you, which is so nice.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
Good together. We were really yeah, we's. I felt the
same way about those scenes. I was like, that is
a really good. First of all, it's a great storyline,
and Cindy is a great writer and really funny. But
it's also you know, every one of the stories in
that is there's nothing that's in there that's just to
(16:56):
be funny. They're all story and they are an our thing,
and I think there's like a real comfort and our
thing and you are so kind of tortured about it
and trying to figure it out and like bringing your
friends in to try to figure this out and wanting
it to work, but it just doesn't. It just doesn't
(17:16):
sit well with you. But it's a yeah, I had
a ball doing it, and I'm sad you guys aren't
continuing because I was going to use this opportunity to
pitch myself to again.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
That would have been amazing.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
You know, cater it or something.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
But oh my god, fantastic opportunity missed. The thing that's
funny about it all, and you know, I feel comfortable
talking to.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
You about it.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
But it's been very, very weird the whole trying to
come back with this different, similar show, right like, different show,
which we were very clear about it's different show, you guys,
same characters, which I really think I was naive about
how weird that was for people. You know what I'm
(18:12):
saying for our fans, right Like, it's kind of asking
a lot of fans.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I guess I'm still trying to figure this out.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
But I did.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Just this morning, Cynthia sent me a podcast from people
in the New York Times. It's called Cannonball with Wesley Morris,
and he has this incredible guest, Taffy Brodessa Ackner, who
is a super fan of Sex and the City and
just like that, and she was saying things that made
me feel so much better and really gave me hope.
(18:44):
Like at this point, I'm looking for any understanding of
what we were trying.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
To do, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
What did the podcast say?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
The podcast said, this incredible woman was on I should
find her name, because I literally was listening to it
in the car on the way here.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
It says that he might sound crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
What I'm gonna say she is. I believe she's in
her early fifties or maybe forty nine, so she's slightly
younger than us, but on the precipice like middle age. Right.
She basically said, it's a documentary of middle age. I
I feel so seen, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
I feel so seen.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
And she said one of the amazing things about it
for herself was that she had watched it when she
was younger. She had a lot of really profound and
in depth things to say about the first show and
what it meant to women, and how unusual it was
to see four strong women, you know, leading a show,
which I think people forget about, right, That this was
(19:45):
kind of unheard of, right, and thank god we got
to do it, and that she used it kind of
as a model of like who she wanted to be
and how she wanted to be. And this is a
writer in New York, so of course it would be
very much in her wheelhouse or whatever. And then she
said that what the HBO Max app would do is
when she would watch it just like that, when it
(20:06):
was over, it would go into whatever episode of Sex
and the City she had last been watching, so she
would see our older selves and then it would bleed
into our younger selves. And she talked about she said
she might cry talking about it, and I might cry
talking about it because.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
It's so you know, it's like.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
The kind of you know, profoundness of the time spent,
you know, and us being on camera, you know, when
we were so young obviously I mean not that young,
but compared to now young and now, and like for us,
it was this thing where we knew, okay, people are
going to have a lot of thoughts and feelings about it,
(20:47):
but we didn't really understand the depth of confusion and
or I guess struggle about us aging and trying to
talk about the things that you talk about and deal
with in your fifties. It's like a lot people have,
like some super strong feelings about it.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah, I guess, I don't know. I don't know what
people's reaction was. But for you, I mean, I just
I'm much more interested in your reaction to it. It's
obviously solutional and meaningful. I meant, it's not only that
you guys were playing these roles that meant a lot
to people still do and a whole other generation of people.
(21:29):
But you also it's like a snapshot of your life
where you're forming these really important friendships with people. Absolutely, right,
I mean this was I was fairly early. It was
second season, right, so in terms of the entirety of
the show, So you guys are probably just becoming really
close to one another, absolutely, and seeing that and seeing
(21:52):
yourselves and remembering all those feelings. It has got to,
you know, have a profound impact. I know, just watching
the show, I was very aware that that was a
very formative year for me, and all of that stuff
kind of came up watching watching.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Me, watching the episode, you remember like all like meeting Anya,
your wife, and what you were doing.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Oh my god, I was, I was, I had met her.
I don't remember when we filmed. Sometime in the spring.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
I think definitely yes, because it's towards the end of
the second season and we would go back in February,
so it was probably like like the best part of the.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yeah, in May or June something, act that and that
previous uh September October, I had shot. I was a
guest on homicide and that was what Anya was writing for.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Oh I forgot this.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
That's when that's when I met her, and I remember
and I had been I had been engaged to somebody,
but I think we were both pretty on happy. It
just wasn't been together like four and a half years,
and kind of like what are we doing? What are
we doing? And got engaged? Not the right decision.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Interesting, I don't remember that.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah, lesson for all the younger people listening to this
in four and a half years and you still don't know.
Maybe that's not you shouldn't be doing this right.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Good advice, good advice.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I had read the script that on your had written,
and then I remember very very clearly walking out of
my little cubby trail, you know, like you get your guest,
you get its tiny little ques yes, and walking out
and being total that's the writer, and thinking that's the
person I should be engaged to. Ah, wow, a little unfair.
(23:44):
She's beautiful, but also she had written it was like
a little unfair. It wasn't just like I had read
something that she had written that was meaningful to her,
so I knew something about her. But I really did
have that.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Thought, that's amazing, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
We have an episode a couple times ago about love
first sight, and I say, yes, I have experienced on it.
First I it did not work out for me, which
is the sad part. But I have experienced it and
it was a great experience. But I love to hear
that you experienced it and it worked out. And can
I add that I lent my house to you guys.
I feel like I'm invested, like I'm part of it.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Are you still in that same house or no?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
No, no, I saw that house.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Okay, So you did an incredibly kind thing for me
because I was I was going out to La I
did not live there, and I was going to be
on a regular on a show judging Amy with Amy.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot that that was the show.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Oh my gosh, amazing.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
And you really kindly said, do you I'm not going
to be there in the spring, do you want to
stay there because you're probably shooting the.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
New season exactly?
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah, And I said that's really great. Yes, I would
love to you. And it was gorgeous, such a gorgeous house,
and like thank you. And then it was like I
didn't even tell you. Oh, by the way, Anya is
going to be.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Staying with me, Well, you don't have to tell me.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Can I say who you were dating at the time.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Who is it?
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Whisper No, I'm not gonna whisper it. I'll just he's okay.
I actually just saw him the homicide reunion, which I.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Went, okay, then you can talk about it.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yes, if he's okay, then please talk about it.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
He's great, I said to him. I think that was
the last time I saw him. I think it might
have been the last one for you. Oh my god,
you remember what happened. You walked in the house with him,
and you had left me a message saying him and
be home this weekend. And Annie and I were like,
we I think we were in bed. We were not
(25:45):
like having sex in bed, but I think we were
in bed.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I don't remember this, Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
And you were like, oh, oh, you were so you
were so nice, though I can't imagine what was going
on inside. You're like, oh no, no, no, it's okay,
it's okay, don't worry about it. I had not even
think I had a cell phone at the time, so
I didn't missage my messages.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Oh I love it.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
You were so nice, and you were like, we're gonna
go stay in hotel. It's totally fine, totally fine, and
you left with read Diamond read Diamond two.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Who it was I did?
Speaker 2 (26:15):
I did date read Diamond.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
I do not remember walking in the house and you
not knowing that I was coming. I remember that I
said to you go stay in my house because also
I had.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Like for me.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
You know, the success of the show obviously unexpected. You
never think these things are going to succeed, you know
how it is, And so I had bought this house.
I feel like after the pilot, before the show, and
I remember going to the show and Sara Jusca saying like,
are you crazy?
Speaker 3 (26:41):
And I was like, it's going great. Why should I
buy this house?
Speaker 1 (26:43):
Like weirdly, you know, Pollyanna right, But it was a
really special like I called it my treehouse.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
It was like up in the canyon andazing right, thank you,
thank you so much. I loved it. Not everyone loved it.
I had a terrible time selling it, but I.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Did sell it eventually because I need a bigger house
for the kids. Because it was kind of a treehouse.
It wasn't necessarily like a huge house. It was just special,
I thought.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
And being enough to family in case, just if you're
not worried about them falling off of the.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Baloty one percent. It was not the safest house for
little children. I did have my one child there, and
I just policed her, you know, like super But then
I guess we got a bit more of a flat, flatterhouse,
not so far up. But I had guilt about that house, right,
Like it was so weird to own a house. I
had never owned a house, so I was always feeling like, oh,
(27:33):
does someone need a house, Like, please stay in my
house if I liked you, obviously, do you know what
I mean? And for you guys, I didn't. I wouldn't.
I mean, you didn't have to tell me anything about
what you were doing, as long as you weren't like,
you know, having the police called or whatever I'm saying.
And I remember thinking that Aunia was so cool, Like
I was like, oh, thank god, he's with an awesome
woman since he's not with me, and I guess.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I was with the ready.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
I felt like I pulled such a dick move and
was like.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Sure, oh, oh my god, you're a grown up. You're
a grown up. No. I just remember, like, for me,
it made me so happy that you were staying there,
right because I had my little secret crush on you.
Apparently I was Danny Reids, so I really shouldn't.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Have been having a crush on you.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I can never remember things linearly, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Oh yeah, And if there are a lot of them,
then you.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Know, it's very very difficult, a lot of a lot
of boyfriends. I don't know, there aren't that.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Many boyfriends because the schedule was such that it was
really pretty much impossible to survive, which I don't know
if Reid mentioned was like basically the problem with what
happened there. I mean, I'm sure other problems. He's happily
married now, thank god, good for him. But you know,
we were dating into the third season and the third season, yeah,
(28:43):
young in there for a while. And the third season,
I remember the first week that we went back to
work was one hundred hour week. Oh god, yeah, and
here I'm dating at the time, an unemployed actor. I mean,
what hell must he have been in you know?
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Yeah? And you know when you and both I can
never see you and stop complaining you're working, Yes, exactly,
because homicide had just got gotten canceled stupidly. Yep, that's
why Annie was able to come out.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, right, right, And it's so sad. That was like
an incredible show, an incredible show in all the ways.
I had forgotten all of that. Oh my god, I
love it. And so they just had a homicide reunion.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
It was like a thirtieth reunion of when it started.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Maybe wow yeah, wow, wow wow wow love it homicide
Life on the Street.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
You guys look it up.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Yeah, that's a it's an It was a really groundbreaking show.
I mean, it was really like an HBO show, but
it was on NBC.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Absolutely true, absolutely true.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
And and that cat, I mean, it was. It was incredible. Yeah.
Tom Fontana just had who is a creator of it,
you know, just has kind of a mass, this enormous family.
He and Barry Levinson and and so I was I'm
a part of it because of Anya I had, you know,
I was in a you know, one episode. So yeah,
(30:06):
and that's where I saw read there and it was
really nice to see him connect. And I apologized to
him and he said, no, I don't care, as I
never would have been able to stay in the herbitage
if I if I was.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Wow, I can't remember, I can't remember any of this.
Isn't that funny. It's funny because like when I'm rewatching,
because I had never seen the episodes before, I've been
rewatching for the podcast, and I have such vivid memories
of some of it and then some of it, like
I didn't remember. I knew intellectually that there was something
that went wrong with our relationship on screen, right, But
(30:40):
mostly what I remember is that we were so excited
to get you, and I remember talking to Cynthia about you,
and then I remember this sex scene because I had
so many fears and then ended up really enjoying it
because you, of course are a respectful and lovely co
star and were very much you know, in it with
me in a way where it was like easy, you
(31:01):
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
It wasn't hard.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
It was really comfortable. I mean, and I I really credited.
I had no idea that you had spoken through talked
through it with Pam, which is great. I say, Pam
as if I know her. I just she directed that.
I thought she was terrific me too, and she made
it really comfortable. It was kind of quick. Yeah, even
though I.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
Don't really I didn't remember all I remember all the positions.
I just was like, oh, one memory of it, and
then I was like, oh my god, they might we
must have filmed for a while. I know it was
a lot, remember that, but I feel like she was like, here,
sit up, I'm gonna and she got like one shot
and said, okay, do this.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
It was really quick and she hadn't planned out.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, and you seemed really comfortable, which makes which made
me feel comfortable because it's you know I I have
as a guy, you're supposed to feel comfortable, you know,
that's sort of what you're but you seem totally fine.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
So that means I'm so glad.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I think that's because it was you, because she did
really include me, and because I did love the story,
like it was a very different type of story for
Charlotte than compared to what she had been having. And
I credit Cindy and the writing you know, with that
as well, and then casting you. It was like one
of my most because in my mind, first season, second
(32:18):
season we're kind of a wash in a weird way
in terms of like storylines, because I think we were
just trying to find ourselves in a lot of ways.
When I look back now that I'm rewatching, a lot
of the episodes are so incredibly good, so much better
than what I remembered. But in my mind, this one
was up at the tippy top in terms of enjoyment factor,
in terms of like a beginning, middle, and an end
(32:39):
of a storyline for Charlotte, which kind of took a
while for those to get going.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I mean, you do. I mean, I look, I'm biased,
but I think you had a great story You had
a great storyline. But all the storylines work, right, exactly. Yeah.
It's not always the case in every show, right, So
it's hard, but I think all of them worked in
this one. Yeah. Then, because I'm lazy, I'm like, I
watched it and then you know, it's like ten nine
eight and the next one's going to start, and I'm like,
(33:05):
I don't feel like reaching for the remote. Let's watch it.
And the next one is good too, And it was
interesting to see Sarah Jessica Parker do something totally different
that which was she got and it reminds you like, oh,
she's a really good actor because a lot of it's
kind of light in the you know, but she was
(33:27):
really pissed at mister Big for you know, and she
gets really angry.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah I remember this.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah it's good, And so that was it was kind
of nice to see here. I'm curious about this actually,
sure one the one thing, not the one thing, but
among the things I thought watching it was, Uh, there's,
for instance, the sea. We're walking down the street. I
think it's the first time you meet my character, right,
(33:55):
we're walking exactly, yes, yeah, and the han cab right,
hail the cab.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Oh, I know, right, I know what you're gonna say.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
And it's there's a lot of silence, there's like and
the lines weren't written. And I'm curious if later on.
I mean, I thought I'm not going to add I
just I can imagine what I was thinking. I'm not
going to add lib. This is a funny script. I'm
not going to stay up like you know, there's all
a lot of it's one take because.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
It's just us, which I love so much.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I'm not going to fix out. So yeah, I'm not
going to add lib because maybe they might not want it.
Or and but it's a lot it's there's a lot
of gaping holes in it, even though it's edited to
fit together, right, you guys add lib later on?
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Or that just was we were not allowed to add
lib because one time they let us and then they
just lost control.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah, I bet no.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
And you know how tightly Michael Patrick writes, right, like,
his comedy is very like the rhythm is really kind
of fast, and it's very tight, right at least the
first show. And I think what happened when I watched it.
I was also confused in that scene. First of all,
I just love a Wonner. I'm like, oh my god,
the days of a Wonner. Oh God, I love it
(35:14):
so much. And we just kind of lost that somewhere
along the way. And I think some of it was
because we couldn't afford other things back then, right, But
also just as an actor, the joy of walking down
to New York City Street in a Wuner it's just
h so special. So I also, like, you know, when
I go to hail the cabin, I'm supposedly showing my
leg which I absolutely do not do. I'm like, Okay,
(35:39):
that's really funny and weird. I hate my legs, which
I know, and I'm sure you know. Pat also was
not always a fan of my legs. Oh no, for real,
for real, don't even get me started. But yeah, yeah,
not so much. So I thought about that watching it.
Because also there's a long silence there where you're like,
what's happening.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Exactly, Like, yeah, there are two cars coming in, Like
I get, it's not part of the one shot anymore.
It's there's coverage there because the cars have to have
to come in, right.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
But it's weird. It's weird, and this is what I
think it is.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Also.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
First of all, I think it's the woner and trying
to cut together, right. But I also think because we
still had the voiceover, there would have to be weird
times and scenes where you weren't talking but you're still
acting because she's gonna connect it with the voiceover. But
what they did do, and I would have to ask
Cindy specifically about this episode, they would sometimes change the
(36:35):
voiceover later Oh yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
That could have been.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
It could have been that there was supposed to be
more voiceover, but then they changed it once they saw
our performance.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
That's interesting because there are kind of no lines after
I kiss you, right, and it's the total silence as
if I'm waiting for a reaction and you're getting there's
no conversation, you get no, right.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
It's odd, But it's also I thought it was so
great because I couldn't remember either. I was like, oh
my god, what's happening.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
What's happening?
Speaker 1 (37:07):
But also you kissed me so well, you know, like
it's so good.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
But it doesn't. It's sort of the end of it.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
And then it's like okay, silence definitely, and I don't
say buyer anything. But then they cut to me and
I touched my glasses, which I'm pretty sure Pam told
me to do because it doesn't even look like I
really want to touch my glasses. It looks like I
just want to stare at you. But I touched my
glasses because someone told me to. But I think it
was also I would say budget stuff, right, because like
(37:37):
I think that Pam had this very visual plan. She
had storyboards, I remember, and like none of our directors
had storyboards. Like that was a shock, like.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
What, oh my god, got it? No, it's a really
it's a well shot show.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Right, And I think for her she was trying to
get her visual plan in order and yet afford it, right, yeah,
which is always a struggle, as you know. Is there
anything else that you remember about the time, and like,
what did people say to you after the show?
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Oh? I remember my friend Craig thought I had totally
stolen his personality and that I.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Was playing That's funny.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
It was like a Craig. I have a lot of
gay friends. But but no, I just I mean, I'm
not I'm just playing. I'm just playing the part. But
he to this day feels like I was. And this
is a this is a sort of I get recognized
from this part, so.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
You do look the same. See.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
I love that it does become more and more of
a compliment if I if I get recognized, nice because
I don't act anymore. You know, so I.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Don't, So you don't act at all.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
I mean I would act in something maybe if it
came up, but I wouldn't go to Queen's on audition
for it.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Got it?
Speaker 3 (38:51):
I don't. I don't know that I feel totally. I'm
not sure if I would feel totally comfortable. Would I would? See?
Maybe I would. I haven't done it a while.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
So you're just writing and like show running and or
producing and or directing, not directing, not directing. Okay, so
you're producing, creating, writing, Yeah, sometimes on.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
You know, sometimes on my own. I'm doing something now
with another friend of mine. So yeah, So if I
get recognized. It's from a while ago, and I definitely
take it as a compliment now, yeah, right, because twenty
five years ago or more.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Absolutely, And then I try to you know, there are
times when because it's not it doesn't happen very often
because it is so long ago. But there are a
few things that I might get recognized from, and if
I do, I try to guess what it is. I'm
like in.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
My yeah, what it is, Yeah, the bird ca.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
Right, yeah, that and that's because that's continued in a
way that this has too. That's like that is still
something that I thought that would not have aged well. Yeah,
if I could have predicted fifteen years ago, Yeah, would
this you know, given sort of changing cultural environment, would
that have aged poorly? I would think yes, but not at.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
All interesting all love it.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
And in same with the first sex in the city.
I mean, I don't think that has aged very.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Well, better than one would have thought.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
When I got asked, my agent just sent me an email,
do you They asked, if you want to do this,
do you want to do it? And I was at first,
I was like a little nervous about us. I don't know,
I do this, I'm not sure. And I mentioned it
my daughters who are or twenty five and nineteen twenty four.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
I got wow.
Speaker 3 (40:51):
I said they happened to be around and I was like,
should I should I do this? And they were absolutely
have to do this because they are fans of the show.
Its you know, it really amazing in a way that
you would think, you know, these things would not.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I mean, yeah, I know, it's incredible and we feel
so like just incredibly grateful and lucky. You know.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
It's just luck really that we.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Happen to be there at the right time and get
the chance to do what we wanted to do, you know,
and that it connected because you never know if anything
is going to connect.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
It's true, and that you continued to have these great
writers that stayed, that stayed with.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Absolutely absolutely, that's a hard thing in our business.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
Yes, it is. People leave other things and and what
I guess, I'm not sure how how long Cindy Shoeback
stuck Am was she Therefore I.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Think she stayed till the end. Yeah, I mean some
Cindy and Jenny got big deals to go off and
do their own thing. But I feel and I'd have
to double check if shoes there to the bitter end,
you know what I'm saying. But like Duff, only the
final season she was there. Yeah, and then they went
off and did their own things. But I mean we
still see them, which is just such a joy.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Yeah, I know, that's really mean. It's helped really helps
the show stay together. And then you know, all you
guys wanted to continue to do it. I'm sure there
was a there were conversations at some point, should we
keep doing it? Should we not? They probably had some
of you for what five years or something, and then
you I mean they had me for seven.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
I don't ever like to talk about anyone else.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
I had like a standard like standard pilot deal, right,
and I would have kept going. But because Sarah and
Sin had both had babies towards the towards right before
the final season. I think Sarah, Jessica especially Cynthia is
so like, oh yeah, I have a baby, It's fine.
You know, She's very like, I can't do anything. But
(42:47):
I think Sarah, because it was her first, really felt,
you know, the need to be there, and you know
the struggle of like am I a good enough mom?
If I'm at work? It's a hard thing obviously to navigate,
and so she I think think also very similar to
now and just like that, Michael and Sarah are very
much a partnership.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
You know, they work very well together, very closely together.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
They respect each other creatively, and at the time, I
feel like both of them felt when the first show
ended Sex and the City, so that would have been
two thousand and four, they felt like, it's so hard
to make a weekly show and keep it good, you know,
and the rest of us were like, what I don't end,
you know, like I just remember, just just absolute panic.
(43:31):
But I do think, I mean, you've made shows yourselves
like it's grueling for the writers.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
It can be. I've only written well shorter shows guys
were doing. I didn't realize the second season was eighteen episodes.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
I know, I think the third season might be twenty
one or something. It was a lot.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
I've never done something like that. It was more like ten.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Right, Well that's how it is now nowadays, you know,
ten is like normal or whatever.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Right, it's very very different.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
So you plan in advance, you write in advance.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
Most of it's written in advance. Well, at least the
things that I've done tend to have been so because
that ends up being less expensive, you know, because you
can plan it all out and what are you shooting together?
You know all this. But but it's yeah, I mean,
you just got you guys hit something. I guess it's lucky.
I guess it's just you know, you guys are all
(44:25):
so talented, and you worked well together, and you had
great writing, and you got a you know, a bunch
of great directors that kept coming back, right.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Yeah, so important, Yeah, so important.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
I assume your crew hung around because.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
Oh yeah, you know what.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Also, I'm so silly, like I don't know lately, I
think because I didn't realize that we were going to
end and just like that, so I'm still processing and
like so Pollyanna that I thought we would just keep going.
But like when we came back, I thought we would
have the same crew. We couldn't get the same crew
because they had all moved on bigger things, retired or retired.
(45:03):
Absolutely absolutely correct.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
I mean we did get.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Some like we got our set people back. But like Jeremy,
who had been our I guess he was like our
overall designer of everything. He went on to do the Olympics.
Like I'm saying like insane things. And then our I
saw some behind the scenes pictures the other day and
our focus pullar Joe Collins is now like a big
(45:28):
deal DP, you know, like huge end or director.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
You know what I'm saying. Let he should be right.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
So I'm thrilled for them. But I remember when we
got to it just like that.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
I was like, people are.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
All so young, Oh my gosh, but that's how it
should be, right, like new people coming up, and they
were incredible on their own. So but I remember just like, wait,
where where are the other people?
Speaker 3 (45:49):
Yeah yeah, I mean probably you're looking for that sense
of security.
Speaker 2 (45:53):
Too, yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
And in my mind it would because we were the same, right,
with some new additions obviously, but you know, we were together,
and so I just kind of in my mind assumed
that the larger picture would be the same.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
But the world has changed.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
I mean, it's such a different environment to go back
to work.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
And that was when we went back to work.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
It was just right after COVID, so it was really
you know early days, like the masks and all the stuff,
you know what I mean, Right.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Yeah, that was a bumner. How did you feel integrating
the new characters into.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
I loved it.
Speaker 1 (46:27):
I loved it so much because they are just incredible
people and incredible characters, and it made it exciting for us.
I mean, I guess apparently that was part of what
people didn't like.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
I don't know. I don't even know why.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
I'm trying to figure out people because it's confusing.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Can I tell you my issue?
Speaker 2 (46:44):
My issue?
Speaker 1 (46:44):
I used to really try to protect myself from you know,
media and critics and whatever. But because the podcast, I'm
more kind of in it, you know what I'm trying
to say, Like, like I look at more stuff. My
phone knows that I'm always talking about sex and the city,
so it's all showing me stuff annoyingly. So it's just
I'm more in the world of it all than I
(47:06):
used to be. I used to just feel like I
know what it is inside me.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
I know what I wanted to do, I know what
we did, I know what we meant to do. And
I still do feel that, especially with and just like that,
like I know what we were making. I don't know
what people were necessarily seeing when they watched it, but
I think like that's how our business is.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
People are projecting all kind of things of their own
and their own expectations and or desires and or disappointments
or whatever it is. They have such strong feelings. And
so when I can be calm about it, I know
that that's a compliment, right.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
It will for you guys, people that feel so personally
about you guys too. But but you have that I mean,
you know, in the various shows that I've done, you
get praise, that's great, you get slammed that sucks, but
you have no control over it. And it's not as
if you tried harder or less hard without a less
(48:05):
of yourself. And to the ones that just don't click, right,
it's it's just part of the territory. But it's it's uh,
it's painful.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
It can be really painful. Yeah, And it's just been
My biggest thing is that it's been very confusing. I'm
still confused, and I do not like to be confused.
I like to understand things, right, So I am somewhat
trying to seek some understanding and I am getting some,
you know, I'm getting some. Cynthia sent me something really
helpful today. Cynthia is always there for me, trying to
(48:34):
you know, talk talk calmly and practically to me, which
is a great thing because I'm I'm often kind of
up in my you know, like fantasy world some somewhat.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
You're also so deeply in it doing this podcast too,
so it's in you're and you're revisiting it with you know,
me and somebody else next week, and and so that's hard.
It's hard to escape. It is hard to everybody says, oh,
I'm sorry you guys aren't on anymore, you know.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
And that's that's nice. That's nice because you're in it
and you understand what it's like. I mean, it's better
than people going like oh, Noord and upward. I'm like, no, no, no,
I'm not there yet. People, Oh, this just happened, and
I didn't know what was happening, so give me a moment.
But yeah, I mean, I do love looking back at
it though, because I hadn't, like I said, I hadn't
(49:19):
looked at it, and I'm just so it's kind of amazing.
I'm just like amazed by it because I mean people
will talk to me obviously about it all the time,
and like your daughter's like when it came on Netflix
and the younger people started watching. I was like, this
is amazing. That's why I wanted to do the podcast.
And then the joy of the podcast is getting to
talk to people like you and Cindy and also knew
(49:39):
people who are fans of the show, Like it's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
It's my kind of thing, right.
Speaker 1 (49:44):
Like to investigate and talk about and talk about our
memories and also like how the world has changed or
not changed.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
So I do love that part.
Speaker 1 (49:52):
It's just sometimes hard to incorporate all everybody's thoughts and feelings.
Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah, it's worse.
Speaker 3 (49:57):
And making the transition from just celebrating it is an
incredible weird continuing to Ugh, you're like your mourning in
a little bit right now.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
Wahre celebrating for sure, Danny.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Let me tell you, it was like suddenly walking into
your own funeral when you didn't know it was coming.
I mean, it was like we died. At a certain point.
I had to be like, okay, I got to stop.
I got to put my phone down. My phone is
currently ruined for me. I cannot look at Instagram.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
I cannot see any more pictures of our.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Young selves and the odes, you know, they're lovely odes
to the death of our characters, but they didn't die.
And I'm here and I'm fine, I'm good, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
Yeah, but sad, that's okay.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
It is sad. I'm not dead. This is you know
where I'm at right now.
Speaker 1 (50:49):
And you know what the joy is. Sarah and something
and I had dinner I think last week in New York,
and you know, all the time, you know, ever since
we started nineteen ninety seven or whatever it was us
we sometimes were working and sometimes we weren't, but we're
always in each other's lives. Yeah, so that's I need
to just like, no one's leaving my life. You know,
(51:10):
that's our on screen life. That's not our real life, right,
that's important. But yeah, I mean I am as you know,
anytime a job ends, you're kind of warning it in
a way, right, But this is like our kind of
our lifelong job.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
And in reality, it's.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
Hard to really believe that it will end because again,
I'm going to see them all and we're all going
to do stuff, I'm sure or whatever.
Speaker 3 (51:34):
And you and play the roles.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Right, right, I mean that hasn't happened yet, but I
really look forward to it.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
You know, and yes, and I think I mean, I
was curious to ask you this.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Tell me.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
Obviously, it's an incredible blessing to have this and have
it last for so long. I also would imagine that
you and others have felt like, oh, there were opportunities
you you didn't get to do because people associated you
quite closely with these roles.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
I mean for sure.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yeah, I mean I don't even know what they are,
you know what I mean, I don't even think they
come to you, right, like, like they just you're kind
of like your energy in the business is kind of
sucked up by this, you know what I mean. Right,
but you know what it's like, what are you going
to do about that? There's really nothing to do.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
There's nothing you can do about it. But I think,
right the what I'm saying is that maybe you'll be
sprung from that a little bit.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
I mean, let's hope so, because God knows, we have
a very big profile. Yeah, let's put that to use
for something else, you know what I mean, because no
one can stop talking about us, which is interesting, very interesting.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Yeah. Yeah, but you got a lot of You've got
a lot of years of acting.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
I hope, so because I love it, yes, you know,
so you know, just.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
It brings new opportunities as well.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
I mean, yeah, I'm I'm slightly getting there, you know,
like like I think. Also because we started working on
and just like that right after COVID, right, so we'd
been like a year plus of like no one being
able to do anything, which made it even more exciting
to get to go back to these much loved characters
that we get to do together. Right, But it is
(53:15):
hard to remember back before when like you'd get this job,
you'd get that job, you know what I mean, like
that kind of it's almost like a journeyman thinking, you know,
like I look forward to that.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
I'm ready for that. We'll see.
Speaker 1 (53:28):
I mean sometimes you send you things to develop and
I'm like I will try to develop things.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
But we all know that's very hard. Yes it is, Yes,
it is very hard.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
As you know, but yeah, it's all our business is crazy,
as you know, and we're just lucky to still be
in it. Yep, Danny, you're incredible.
Speaker 3 (53:44):
You're incredible yourself.
Speaker 2 (53:47):
I'm so glad that you could come on. Thank you
for the actor Pep dog I needed it.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
Yeah, well you deserve it. You deserve everything good that's
coming to you.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
In the future.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Danny, you too.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
Tell Anya Hi, I will, and tell your daughters thank
you because I really really wanted you to come on.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Made me very happy. Thank you. Nice to see you
over Zoom.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
Good to see you too,
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