August 14, 2025 • 32 mins
Not only is Benito Skinner the "it" guy, he’s also a Sex and the City superfan. Benito explains why Carrie and Big are a super couple and why Miranda needs to stop being so mean to Steve.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
you a Charlotte. We are back you guys. Benny's still here.
It's amazing. I can't wait to hear what he has
to say about this episode so much. I know you do.
It's episode two o nine Old Dog's New Dix excellent,
(00:23):
and this is directed by Alan Taylor, who's incredible, obulous,
who goes on to direct He's Sopranos. We stole him
from there. He goes on to do a lot of
Game of Thrones and all kinds of amazing things legends.
We love him so much. And he's written by the
wonderful Jenny Biggs, who we also love so much. Yes, okay,
all right. This is one of those ones where I'm like,
(00:44):
you know, let's discuss Big and Carrie, because I know
you've got some thoughts and feelings.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I have a lot of thoughts and feelings. Here's my thing.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I know that everyone is kind of like Big is terrible.
That's kind of like the general consensus is. Right now,
how much are you watching like fan edits on TikTok
Because they're electrifying by the way.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
They never know when they're going to be mean.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Well, oh, there's only good ones a Charlotte. It's like
Charlotte has one line and then boom, it's like, you know,
all these like clips of her are likes are eating down. Yeah,
I'm like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna send you. But I know,
here's the thing in between the movies. Yea, And and
just like that, there's a happy marriage there. They were
together for a long time and the days they have
(01:23):
that we see where he's kind of putting on like
records and she's like getting takeout and they're kind of
like hanging out and he's got a cigar. I don't know,
it just seems like they really they match each other's
freak and they're and they're slight, you know, I don't
I think we say narcissistant a little too freely. Of course,
(01:45):
I think, you know, they both can be self centered
at times. But yes, and I think that he he
is of course toxic, but I do think that he
loves her. And his actions in the American in Paris
part two, I'm I'm like, he loves that woman, and
he did, and at the wedding it was a lot
(02:06):
I kind of see why.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
He was a little bit like freaked out.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
And I do get that he was like, it looks
bad because it's my second marriage and I've already had my.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
My marriage was in the trades.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I think also he tried to call She's got to
start using that phone, my daughter to get that exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I'm like, Lily, don't play this.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
But here I'm like, I think, of course, I'm glad
that she was like you at the wedding.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I mean, that was and when my father gave them.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
The lived one of the few lives ever.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
That's my girl. But yeah, I all.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
The years of them telling you, Charlotte couldn't be angry,
pent up, you.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Have to come watch this, Zachos ready to.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Let's go. But I just, yeah, I think I kind
of I'm I'm a Charlotte in that way that I
am like.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I I do see that there is like a love
and a friction here. I think there's other powers that be.
Do I think they're like totally perfect for each other?
Maybe not, But I do think that there was a
beautiful bond there. I think, and I really don't want
to I don't want to speak ill of it. I
don't like her and aiden together way more than I
have problems with that.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, we can't talk about that right now because we
will never do it.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
I know.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, sorry, Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Thing so I at the time, right because I played Charlotte,
and Charlotte was always believing in love and always poring right.
So I never ever, ever second guessed it at all.
And I'm not the kind of actor where I read
a script and think about it from an outside perspective.
Cynthia does that beautifully, like she'll say, oh, we need
(03:40):
more of this or this or that. You know, she
can think about it analytically. I'm in it from the
second that I read it. I'm never out interesting.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, I'm saying is it's only the information I'm getting
in the right and.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I'm going to go with it. And yes, I'm building
on it in my head, right, like what do I
need to deepen out here in my mind that I'm
going to play subtext whatever blah blah blah. Actually in
the beginning, right because we were just starting. But I
never questioned big And also, and I've said this many times,
but oh, I say, Benny, with the Kardashians, I was
supposed to.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Talk to you about that next next.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Time, Okay, I really felt. I really felt, like I
look back on it now because I never rewatched before
I am now, right, So I'm like these episodes I
hardly remember. Yeah, it's fascinating. I don't know what I'm
about to do. I'm like, what am I about to do?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And they came out? Did you watch them?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I watched it before they came out, because they'd give
us a VHS. Oh well, I was on HBO.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Okay, she just watched that, and then that was Run
Home and we'd be so excited.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
At least I was right, you know what I mean.
I wasn't that critical of myself back then. But also
I was so into the world we were creating.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Well yeah, of course, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and
see what everyone else is doing.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
That's what's fun to be like, I don't know you
were shooting.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
That, right, because you weren't there. Yeah, it's really cool.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So I never thought twice about big. And I also
think that we were just very, very used to men
like this, of course, And I mean it's not like
they don't exist now, but like back then, they were
kind of the norm.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah, him in this episode looking at women, I'm like, yeah, that's.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I don't see any changes now, Like I still I'll
still literally be with like a guy, a straight guy.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It's rare, but I'll be with a straight guy every
now and then.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
And I'll see like them check out, you know waitress,
and I'm like, I'm sure I do that.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Okay, So as a man.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
You know, I'm like, I get that. And also I've
seen like women do that, I mean my friends.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
But do we do this? Obviously no, of course there's
so men don't do this thing. It's called being discreet.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I would say that that's not necessarily on the menu,
but I do think that. Yeah, I get where carry's
coming from. I wish big. I hate him in that
that bar scene with the cigar. That part is oh
my gosh, and that's so crazy. It's like I die
a little bit. That's where he uses me.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
So sad. It's sad because the episode before he sings
to her, I know in the Italian my girlfriend and
you were in love and says that you're just like
everything I ever said about him.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I take you back exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
And then we're now in this episode smoke a cigar
and this is a durable young waitress comes and Carrie
puts up with it, and I'm dying. She looks fabulous,
She looks fabulous. She looks fabulous at all times.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Really at all.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
My favorite carrying moment that I feel like, actually now
I'm I think it's getting its flowers.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
But when she's got the newsboy cap on, pony chail.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Out and she shows up at the bar and Aiden's
playing like yacht Si with the bartender, and you guys
want me to like Aiden, don't be crazy.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Don't don't be crazy?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Funny that part. I know the outfit.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I haven't done.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Watch that bastard when he tries to when he tries
to punish her for her little.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Her love with Big. Sorry, I love record.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
That's the whole thing. That's the whole thing. We have
to we have to hear. Okay, okay, okay. So here
we are, here we are he So this is the
thing that bugs me about the So what about Samanth.
Samantha says, so Big is very obviously looking at other
women as carry and here are walking down the street.
Then she talks to all of No, she talks to
just Samantha when they're walking in Central Park, and she
(07:10):
basically says he's wondering and it's very good, and she says,
Samantha says, you can't change the part about a man.
It's in their genetic code, like something else I'm not
going to say, she.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Said, like farting, Yes, thank you, Yes, of course you
got to have I say all the crude stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
But this is her She's a theme, right because in
the cheating episode, she's like, this is just what they're
going to do. It's in their code. It's genetics, it's
you know, it's who they are. Like, are you of that, thinking.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
That that men it's just men are going to do this? Yeah,
I mean there's a pattern for sure. I think that
there's a natural thing that we tell straight men that
there's like always a something better out there for them,
you know.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
So then I think gay men feel this.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Maybe sometimes, but I do think it feels very straight
guy to be like the world is built for you,
and I think it is in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
So then I think they're.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
They're like hedging their bets because there might be something
better maybe.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
And also I think, yeah, I don't think Samantha's wrong
and that if this is like a huge red flag,
I don't think that this feels like the biggest red flag,
just because just I think guys in general, now, the
red flag is how he acts in that.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Rest Totally, totally, totally, you're so brutal.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I know, and thank god, Yeah, doesn't she say She's like,
you're so you're so full of yourself?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Does she say it?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
There?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
She said something like that will get to it in
a second. I mean, but this is when this whole
episode starts, and you can she's holding it in and
holding it in, holding it in, holding in it, which
I really relate to and feel for her, and you know,
it's fascinating to watch, and she does it so beautifully,
you know, because I was talking to someone else who said, oh,
you know, she makes drama when things are good, but
(08:51):
that's because she's held in so many things.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, of course. Also she's an observer.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I think like she's coming to this as like a
writer and someone who's writing about it, so it's like
the her being thoughtful also talking to our friends a
lot about it.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I don't know if I necessarily think.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
That that's like narcissistic, like I think it is her
job and that to me, I'm like, it's kind of
the this feels like you would. Anyone in relationships is
probably talking about it too much, especially in a new relationships.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
That's just when you're young.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
People do I want my girls to they once they're done,
I go start from the top.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Which I want to hear it again? What do we
think he's doing? I got to hear this again.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
God, you're such a good friend.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I love Anthony in a lot of ways. Love it.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah about that, I will. I will think you're less angry, yes, yes, yes, yeah,
I'm more playful yes, which I love.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
So let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
We've got we are in the depths now with Miranda
and Steve. He just showed up last episode. I first
of all didn't even realize he comes in the second season.
He's early and she's amazing, say from the first second,
which I didn't remember.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, he's really not to you know, do you know
not to.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Do it?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
What would this be? I guess I don't know. I'm like,
what would I How would this get me in trouble?
But he just has a great butt and well.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
So much love.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Like I feel like people like as like a young
gay guy watching the show is like Steeve's like kind
of hot, it's because everyone's like guys, but I'm like,
Steve's hot.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Oh my god, he's very hot, and he's hot. I
never noticed the butt because I know him and I can't.
It's I mean, and I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yes, so much more than that. He really is.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
And the thing that's great about him is that he's
very in the way that I think Evan also does
and definitely Kyle does from the minute they show up,
even though you don't know that that guy is going
to stay and I can't remember if we really knew
what was going to happen with Sidenbergh. They come with
so much.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
And they feel so real, like they feel like the
fully formed because some I think so beautiful are so
beautifully written as this almost like like the jazz guy
for some reason is so funny because that is such
a specific guy and you don't want to it's like, boom,
that's him.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
There is nothing else you need to know. That's true.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
That like some just feel like like even in aiden,
I know I'm being really hard on him today. I
don't know why, but like.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
I just feel like there's a lot Yeah, okay myself, Hey,
we all are I think you know this show so
beautifully writes these like complex, like iconic women, but the
way men are written, I feel like it's so I
don't know, so inspiring to me with.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
The show because it just yeah, at times you can
make so flat, so satirical. So but then someone like
Steve can come in and they're just what you thought
you were imposing on the sprint.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
They're completely different. There's so much that's true and where
he's coming from, and that's.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
So true and what I love is like so he
really also cuts through her stuff, you know, like mine
is obviously and you know, tough and all of the
things right, and she's so mean to him in the
first episode that he comes and now they're just having
all this sex and stuff. She's trying to stay away
even am right, what's morning sex? And she does this
it's a very interesting thing. But then she gets all
(12:11):
dressed uff for him and drinks a bunch of coffee
and then he comes over, he falls asleep and then
she's like no.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
So that's so like it's those moments.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
I think it even is the you know, the Charlotte,
I'm your wife and you know, I won't do the
whole thing again.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
But it is it is fully just putting yourself.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
It's like those vulnerable moments I think are where the
show is so funny and real, and that like, there's
something funny about turning on sexiness because I think no
one knows when they're actually sexy. Good point, Like we
all think this thing is so sexy, but then I
say that to someone and they're like, no, that was
it was so much hotter when you did that. And
I'm like, oh my god, I looked really.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Gross, you know what I mean. And you're like, I
hate when I wear my hair like that. So it's
something I think it's true like that.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It feels so real in that he's like, you look great,
but it's like that's not the you know.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Well, it's also like she obviously made this effort, which
I think of matters because previously she was kind of
making none, right, and you don't know about that effort. Well,
I do think Steve Keres, because apparently later someone else
(13:20):
told me this again. I'm really like in it, he
asks her to do something for him. It comes to
his basketball and he doesn't, but then she does, right.
But you know, she's just Miranda has her walls and
she's so much right, and she's like, I'm not going
to compromise her whatever, that's her thing. And as we know,
the whole course of them, this is going to continue
(13:42):
in different ways.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
In beautiful ways. I think their relationship I love too.
I think their relationship is so Yeah, I don't know,
it feels really real to like, I agree.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I went to college with a lot of New York kids,
and I feel like she feels like a lot of
the parents I met, and those relationships feel like the
parents met.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I don't know. I don't know how to describe it.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Well.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I think that people who go to New York. First
of all, there's a bunch of interesting people who go, right, Like,
you only go to New York if like you're full
of something, like something you want to super succeeds for life,
alpha lost for life, creativity, whatever it is. You only
go to New York if you're like like overly full, right,
and then you go there and then you might be like,
(14:23):
oh what did I do? This place is insane and
you might leave. But if you stay and creative family,
that means you're different.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yeah, there's something exactly that that's so especially from people
who came to New York not like raise that right,
because it's like parents, like grew up in Brooklyn and
like that feels that.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
It's definitely, definitely, definitely, Yeah, there's.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Something about them. It all feels very real.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I'm with you. I'm totally with you. Okay, So I
love their love their thing. Now you see me with
this guy, and you know, apologies to this person. I
don't remember him literally at all. He's so weird. Well,
there were a lot you see yourself and you're like,
oh my god, I'm because I have no I'm just
like I was blacked out that episode. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I mean the amount of like hours you're clocking in
Honestly at that point on a sound stage. It is
just like I thought, no.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
And we're not in the sound stage at that point.
I do think I had. I think at this one,
I saw my white flowers, Charlotte's white flowers show up
in this episode for the first time. Very exciting. Yeah, yeah,
I think I might have three flats from my bedroom now.
I started with just two and a bed and a
night stand and a picture of a woman falling through water.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yes, that was it, and that that's so high it's high. Yeah,
it's high in the corner.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
It's high.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Although I don't think Charlotte would have a TV and no,
I know.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I think I only had it because I had that
handyman one time who had to come fix it, and
then I decided to have sex fix it.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Exact you thought it was day Zo. Need to start
with me, you can go all day I remember that
I love that gay guy that you're like, oh no,
oh my god, I.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Love him and crush on him is incredible.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Ye, when he's had a huge crush.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Well done. Yeah, yeah, well let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
We called him metrosexual.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Oh yeah, which I think we got to bring that back.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
That was so so you're not against, No, I think,
I mean, okay.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I'm like, I don't think I'm I don't know if
I'm pro or against. I think I'm more like, I
just if that was a tiptoe into being more accepting
gay people tell you. But also I'm like, it is
funny to finally give it a term, because it's like,
you guys are acting Gaysing.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Said that at the time it would have been bad.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, but metro feels like it was the culture at
that it was my thing.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Is also like they're like, no, that guy is gay,
you can't go out with him, and I'm like, he is,
Oh no, I think I haven't rewatched, but I think
there's like a lot of I think you're like, let.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Me see, I really love Charlotte being like it feels
very true. It feels very true to my experiences with
women to where it would be like gay was put
so far down on the list of things they thought
that were going wrong between me and them.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
This is true.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yeah, They're like, it's me. It's my body, it's my hair,
my skin, the way I talk. And then someone's like
or he's a flaming homosexual and they're like no, no, no, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yes, okay. I went to college with a bunch of actors.
I went to Rutgers and they had me school School
of the Arts, like the BFA program. Yeah, so when
we started.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I know where this is going, you do.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
When they started, the sophomores and up would take beds
on the freshman and who would be gay and who
wouldn't be gay, and we were just like what you know?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And I came from South Carolina, all right, so I
was super clueless. I know a bunch of gay people,
but no one said they were gay. Of course they
were in South Carolina. Yeah, so in the eighties.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah, my prom date is gay. But that's also my
boyfriend exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, and we're going together for a while, exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
So. I have a boyfriend in college in my freshman year.
His name is Bob, and he was a sophomore. So
I thought, well, he's already as the freshman test or whatever.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Of course, I love this to me, let me.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
She was so sweet, right, really, like you could have
emotional conversations with me. I've never had this in my
young life, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I never total So then.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
In the in the indimcy category, he was really into
giving oral sex, not so much into the other things. Right,
it's not really my thing, which I know, like I'm
saying a lot. I understand its clickbait right now, but
this is the truth in your Benny, So I'm gonna
tell you. I was like, that's not really my thing
so much, but it's just I could never like get
(18:41):
over that hurd so important. I'm talking to my other
freshman girlfriends about it, and we're all just like, oh, well,
that's interesting, and they were all put it, don't you
like that?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Isn't that good?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Trying to please you? Isn't that great? And I'm like, well,
I don't know, it's just really kind of all it happens,
and like I just can't seem to like I just
keep thinking it's gonna progress and it just doesn't.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
That's kind of it.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, okay, but isn't that that's not really bad? And
I'm like, I don't know, I don't know. I mean,
I don't know why it took them so long, but
come junior year, very gay. Yeah, but then it was
a drama and it's so sad when I look back
on it because it was like such a it's like
what your show is about, you know, And that's part
of why I love your show, Like it's it is
(19:28):
a specific relationship that you should be able to make great.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah, but it's it's what's so it's that it's both sad,
but then also in the end, I think there is
something beautiful about it. There's like a safety as long
as like women. I think I always feel terrible if
it ever comes across as like women getting used in
that way because it's.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
So used you know, it's it's so confused.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Absolutely, yeah, and that's it. It's a little bit like
mental warfare that you were unfortunately, psychological warfare that we're
imposing on women where they're like yeah, and so I
think that's the thing too. It's like that everyone is
kind of having this in all of their sexual.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Explorations, you know, yes, yes, And I think that's what
Sex and the City does so beautifully.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
That there are so many other ways that these things
can be strange because sex is so weird, like the
way and everyone brings a weirdness to it.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
But yeah, it is, I know.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
But the thing that was said was that after we've
been so close, I was always just like a little
mad at him. I guess I was just like, yeah,
well Macnus.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
And I think that's that also is the show and
that I'm like, I these relationships are so complicated, like
he does there and there's miscommunication, and there's you are
you know unfortunately like telling you know something.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Eighteen or nineteen or whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, and you're like, oh, I put right.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
You're like I gave you my body like I felt,
you know, and and then like, oh you wasted my time.
That was kind of a thing that conversation at that
point in time in a theater school, I would say
probably most Oh yeah, you had to look real hard.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
You had to look real hard to find anyone.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
And there would probably be the one you would never
would have thought.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Oh no, No, it was one that I totally thought, okay,
and it was a great, great boyfriend. But it took
me till senior year to figure that out. But it
was great because it was freedom. It was freedom once
you kind of accepted you know, it's just freedom. Yeah,
I'm saying, oh, totally, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you want
to talk about Charlotte and this this boy it's just
to get circumcised, which is so weird and honestly, can
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it even happen?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
So yeah, I don't know if this I think I can.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I love that Charlotte's crushing our guys like this, that
she's saying, hey, I need this, but it is so
a guy thing to have this new At the end,
when he's like, I know, I kind of have this
newfound life.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I can't live it.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
You don't see it coming from this dude, He's like,
kind of.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
It's just great.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
It's just like it's such a deliciously written this sequence
to me that it's like, I mean, I don't, yeah,
I don't. This is so interesting to me because if
it is so American and that this is such a
because I grew up in Idaho, so it was like
if someone was uncircumcised.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Everyone knew, right, it was very different.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
It was so different and so yeah, and so I
feel like there is something so Charlotte when she has
that line that she's like, I'm from Connecticut.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Right, that is so Mary.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I know a lot of people do this, like cover
their true selves, but I mean it's it's a lot
of work.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
It's a lot of work, so much so that acting
is really it feels really fun.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, I'm like kind of back in, back in the
swing of things. I love that. I think Charlotte, I don't.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I think she could have maybe come to love it
at some point if she really ended up liking the guy.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, that guy was exciting enough.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I completely agree, and.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I think she was like, oh, yeah, maybe let's see
and then I'm getting it done.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
At first I could see how that'd be like for me, right, No.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
That was exciting.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
What could be better?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
The girls are like, you know, the girls don't even
get on her her thinking, which is obviously not unusual,
but it is very sweet. But there are also so
many big things that happened, but you know we weren't well.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Samantha's My favorite is is very much. I really see
myself reflected in that of returning to an ex girlfriend
and you're like dressed up as.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Them in a way. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
I think about that a lot where I'm like, well, yeah,
I had kind of been with this girl in college,
if you and so I wonder if she was ever
story And I just say, I've never heard a single
thing from her about anything, and I've never heard anyone
ask her, but I am curious, like if she it
seems like maybe she is kind of like more on
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the mad side, you know, and kind of like what
the fuck me?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Does she still have an Idaho?
Speaker 3 (23:56):
No? No, this was in college, but it's just so
but it's so funny to me to think, like, oh
my god, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
That scene feels so real of like my.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Thought looking at it was why is she not more flattered?
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Well what I mean incredible delivery of like I'm so
much prettier than her.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
So it's funny, but it's incredible.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I think now maybe more flattered. I think at the time,
I think it might be a little bit of the
Bob thing where you're like, damn, wait really and like,
am I the reason that.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
She's confused?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
But I'm a perfect woman, right, you know?
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Like how so I and I think there is just
something so almost in that of him like taking her
entire vibe.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
For the drag queen. I feel like it is also.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Is it not flattering?
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I think both the name and the look is kind
of like that could be like to.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Wait, you're you know of like calling yourself you took
my whole vibe?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, I'm clearly the reference here, right, you know, but
but it's just to I think that is almost like
just a beautifully like comedic scene in an episode that
feels more like about this complicated of like carrying big
kind of being hell, yes, need that moment of like.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Oh definitely don't know. I was thinking about this as
I rewatched, like how once we feel more confident to
be dramatic, the things that we have deemed to be
the comedy subplots have to be upped of course.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah, yeah, it's like tone.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I mean that show like I think Sex and the
City balances tone so beautifully because it's like the second
it would maybe get too much, then there is like
a perfect laugh or just like someone one of the
side stories, whether it be you or Miranda or you know,
and that these and or carry at times where like
that that's the humor. Like even I think Hot Child
in the City. I'm trying to think of what the
(25:48):
other storylines were, but Carr watch it was just like
a young guy that she's like taking, Yeah, and it's
like she kind of gets to have that kind of
like funlucky hair.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah exactly. And he's like he drawser in a comic book,
you know, and it feels.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Very had a new writer drew comic books all.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
This is why it happened. Yes, it's all coming.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Back to it's very like light and I think can
balance that and what a gift of an ensemble.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I think that that's so fun for writers.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Okay, if it's going to be so if this is
going to be so sad, like I remember when I
was writing the fifth episode, Scott King and I were
laughing so much at the thought of Haley spreading Mono
at this party while you know, me and Carmen are
getting our hearts broken, but just playing within that world
because you know, people sign up for a comedy so
you also.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Want to definitely, and I asked a very risky question,
and you can go please.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I never want to leave.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
So obviously we took time off. We did the movies,
we took time off, we came back with them just
like that. We intended to come back and make a
different show with the same characters, which I know is
slightly insane. I don't know if I knew it then,
but I definitely know it now.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Well, of course, as is always the case.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
And no one had really done this. It's not something
that's commonly done. We're so lucky we got to do it, obviously.
And the tone is different, obviously because we could never
replicate the tone, you know, And it's twice as long,
and there's more characters and we're dealing with different things.
But when you look at say, the balance of drama
and comedy in Sex and City and then the whatever
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people want to call it, like people talk about how
like we're insane on interest like that, which I don't
feel when I'm in it.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Like that people are acting insane in the show, or
that it's or like, oh the scenarios are insane.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I don't feel any of it is insane.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I don't know it's insane.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
I think it's it's it's a shift from the show,
but in a way that, Yeah, that feels like you
have to naturally evolves.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I mean, what an insane creative challenge. I think it's like.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
The whole process of it because also each one is
coming to you want to show evolution of characters, and
I think that's something tricky that that people you know,
whether they love or don't love how a character acting.
It's like, but the actor also has to bring in
history to it, like this has been they are not
that character that you met, because no one is the
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person that they were years ago.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
That's that would be strange.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
And that's the problem though, because we're frozen in time
and still being watched. Yeah, yet we're making this new thing.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Well that's why it's smart to create a different format
for it. But I think there's still in obvious blend
of comedy and drama and and maybe like a little
bit lesser like intense drama. I mean, I guess big
like literally dropped dead. But sorry, I'm laughing at some
uncomfortable because I think it's funny, just like I guess, well.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
We started so then exactly the ultimate.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
There is exactly that there is like a maybe more
levity than any for me, definitely, I don't know. I
think that the show so beautifully can keep people still engaged.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Though I don't know. That's the thing I like to
say exactly, which.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
I think, isn't that Like, I don't know, it's kind
of proving it self in that it's like, still we
have so much to say about women and what we
think women should be an act in too in culture,
and whether that be sexually.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Or with their families exactly. So I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
And each of the relationships also still feel complicated, Like
I think the carry and aiden thing does kind of
sound like something that I think some people that are
single at that age feel, and that there's you know,
so I'm like that feel are you really yeah, marry me?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Is he going to come?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
He's coming? Of course? My Charlotte's so sweet? Yeah, he
really is, my Charlotte?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Are you a Charlotte at all?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Okay, So I think I'm Charlotte Rising because at times
I am very you know, and I do feel kind
of like a preppy boy, and I like being straight.
I like being straight. A's I like doing you know,
I was the auditorio very that. But then I think
I lean maybe a little bit like naughtier like Samantha.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
And then I do have like some Carrie in me.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I think I was going to say Carrie, I do
feel get a.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
I'm not, but I love her so much. I just
and I surround myself. I think with Miranda and Charlotte's
that feels like like Mary Beth to me, feels like
a bit of she's such a Charlotte. But then I
think there's like a Miranda. She's very logical, very like also.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Like sharp sharp yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's I
wouldn't use sharp.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I think she is.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
She's so sharp, you know what, and she's.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
So like I think what I love is like the
stances are always just like it's this, and that feels
and so totally like my East Coast girls like you
nail that and and just like that is a joy,
like just to be clear like everything. I think it's
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cool that there's so much discourse, like that is so
scary to me. Of course it's scary, but I like,
I think I'm getting like a tiny dust of that
with my show, where like there are people have so
many opinions of careacters. Yeah, and they keeping like redeem
him or I hate her she's a lesbian, and I'm like, yeah,
I know, okay, sometimes but I think the fact that
people are talking about it and electrified and that carry
(31:11):
all of a sudden it is pissed at Miranda.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Hell yeah, I seated.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
It was fascinating. I didn't see it coming.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Man, I don't drink that Mexican cut were scared.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I was scared. I was scared last week when they
argued after my birthday party.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
That's what I mean. I haven't seen the latest week
that's tonight.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah, and yeah, because the coke, I think was even
before it's been coming, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Well, she took the last Mexican I know.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
See, they have a complex relationship. When you look back,
it's own.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
There is the kind of remember when I think there's
something there. I agree, but they need to kiss, but there's.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Something, there's something at this point, it's like letter.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, lesbian too, and I just watched My Power Lesbians.
It was really fun. Up opportunity woman.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Oh my god, her lines, what a great mic drop.
She But if you're not gonna eat seat, you're not. Oh.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I know, man, I know. I went to the cubby
room when I was young, and well in there.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I love you so much. You're perfect.
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
you a Charlotte. We are back you guys. Benny's still here.
It's amazing. I can't wait to hear what he has
to say about this episode so much. I know you do.
It's episode two o nine Old Dog's New Dix excellent,
(00:23):
and this is directed by Alan Taylor, who's incredible, obulous,
who goes on to direct He's Sopranos. We stole him
from there. He goes on to do a lot of
Game of Thrones and all kinds of amazing things legends.
We love him so much. And he's written by the
wonderful Jenny Biggs, who we also love so much. Yes, okay,
all right. This is one of those ones where I'm like,
(00:44):
you know, let's discuss Big and Carrie, because I know
you've got some thoughts and feelings.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I have a lot of thoughts and feelings. Here's my thing.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I know that everyone is kind of like Big is terrible.
That's kind of like the general consensus is. Right now,
how much are you watching like fan edits on TikTok
Because they're electrifying by the way.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
They never know when they're going to be mean.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Well, oh, there's only good ones a Charlotte. It's like
Charlotte has one line and then boom, it's like, you know,
all these like clips of her are likes are eating down. Yeah,
I'm like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna send you. But I know,
here's the thing in between the movies. Yea, And and
just like that, there's a happy marriage there. They were
together for a long time and the days they have
(01:23):
that we see where he's kind of putting on like
records and she's like getting takeout and they're kind of
like hanging out and he's got a cigar. I don't know,
it just seems like they really they match each other's
freak and they're and they're slight, you know, I don't
I think we say narcissistant a little too freely. Of course,
(01:45):
I think, you know, they both can be self centered
at times. But yes, and I think that he he
is of course toxic, but I do think that he
loves her. And his actions in the American in Paris
part two, I'm I'm like, he loves that woman, and
he did, and at the wedding it was a lot
(02:06):
I kind of see why.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
He was a little bit like freaked out.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
And I do get that he was like, it looks
bad because it's my second marriage and I've already had my.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
My marriage was in the trades.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I think also he tried to call She's got to
start using that phone, my daughter to get that exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I'm like, Lily, don't play this.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
But here I'm like, I think, of course, I'm glad
that she was like you at the wedding.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I mean, that was and when my father gave them.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
The lived one of the few lives ever.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
That's my girl. But yeah, I all.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
The years of them telling you, Charlotte couldn't be angry,
pent up, you.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Have to come watch this, Zachos ready to.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Let's go. But I just, yeah, I think I kind
of I'm I'm a Charlotte in that way that I
am like.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
I I do see that there is like a love
and a friction here. I think there's other powers that be.
Do I think they're like totally perfect for each other?
Maybe not, But I do think that there was a
beautiful bond there. I think, and I really don't want
to I don't want to speak ill of it. I
don't like her and aiden together way more than I
have problems with that.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Yeah, we can't talk about that right now because we
will never do it.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
I know.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, sorry, Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Thing so I at the time, right because I played Charlotte,
and Charlotte was always believing in love and always poring right.
So I never ever, ever second guessed it at all.
And I'm not the kind of actor where I read
a script and think about it from an outside perspective.
Cynthia does that beautifully, like she'll say, oh, we need
(03:40):
more of this or this or that. You know, she
can think about it analytically. I'm in it from the
second that I read it. I'm never out interesting.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, I'm saying is it's only the information I'm getting
in the right and.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I'm going to go with it. And yes, I'm building
on it in my head, right, like what do I
need to deepen out here in my mind that I'm
going to play subtext whatever blah blah blah. Actually in
the beginning, right because we were just starting. But I
never questioned big And also, and I've said this many times,
but oh, I say, Benny, with the Kardashians, I was
supposed to.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Talk to you about that next next.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Time, Okay, I really felt. I really felt, like I
look back on it now because I never rewatched before
I am now, right, So I'm like these episodes I
hardly remember. Yeah, it's fascinating. I don't know what I'm
about to do. I'm like, what am I about to do?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And they came out? Did you watch them?
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I watched it before they came out, because they'd give
us a VHS. Oh well, I was on HBO.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Okay, she just watched that, and then that was Run
Home and we'd be so excited.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
At least I was right, you know what I mean.
I wasn't that critical of myself back then. But also
I was so into the world we were creating.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Well yeah, of course, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and
see what everyone else is doing.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
That's what's fun to be like, I don't know you
were shooting.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
That, right, because you weren't there. Yeah, it's really cool.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So I never thought twice about big. And I also
think that we were just very, very used to men
like this, of course, And I mean it's not like
they don't exist now, but like back then, they were
kind of the norm.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah, him in this episode looking at women, I'm like, yeah, that's.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
I don't see any changes now, Like I still I'll
still literally be with like a guy, a straight guy.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It's rare, but I'll be with a straight guy every
now and then.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
And I'll see like them check out, you know waitress,
and I'm like, I'm sure I do that.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Okay, So as a man.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
You know, I'm like, I get that. And also I've
seen like women do that, I mean my friends.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
But do we do this? Obviously no, of course there's
so men don't do this thing. It's called being discreet.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
I would say that that's not necessarily on the menu,
but I do think that. Yeah, I get where carry's
coming from. I wish big. I hate him in that
that bar scene with the cigar. That part is oh
my gosh, and that's so crazy. It's like I die
a little bit. That's where he uses me.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
So sad. It's sad because the episode before he sings
to her, I know in the Italian my girlfriend and
you were in love and says that you're just like
everything I ever said about him.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I take you back exactly.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
And then we're now in this episode smoke a cigar
and this is a durable young waitress comes and Carrie
puts up with it, and I'm dying. She looks fabulous,
She looks fabulous. She looks fabulous at all times.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Really at all.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
My favorite carrying moment that I feel like, actually now
I'm I think it's getting its flowers.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
But when she's got the newsboy cap on, pony chail.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Out and she shows up at the bar and Aiden's
playing like yacht Si with the bartender, and you guys
want me to like Aiden, don't be crazy.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Don't don't be crazy?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Funny that part. I know the outfit.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I haven't done.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Watch that bastard when he tries to when he tries
to punish her for her little.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Her love with Big. Sorry, I love record.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
That's the whole thing. That's the whole thing. We have
to we have to hear. Okay, okay, okay. So here
we are, here we are he So this is the
thing that bugs me about the So what about Samanth.
Samantha says, so Big is very obviously looking at other
women as carry and here are walking down the street.
Then she talks to all of No, she talks to
just Samantha when they're walking in Central Park, and she
(07:10):
basically says he's wondering and it's very good, and she says,
Samantha says, you can't change the part about a man.
It's in their genetic code, like something else I'm not
going to say, she.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Said, like farting, Yes, thank you, Yes, of course you
got to have I say all the crude stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
But this is her She's a theme, right because in
the cheating episode, she's like, this is just what they're
going to do. It's in their code. It's genetics, it's
you know, it's who they are. Like, are you of that, thinking.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
That that men it's just men are going to do this? Yeah,
I mean there's a pattern for sure. I think that
there's a natural thing that we tell straight men that
there's like always a something better out there for them,
you know.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
So then I think gay men feel this.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Maybe sometimes, but I do think it feels very straight
guy to be like the world is built for you,
and I think it is in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
So then I think they're.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
They're like hedging their bets because there might be something
better maybe.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
And also I think, yeah, I don't think Samantha's wrong
and that if this is like a huge red flag,
I don't think that this feels like the biggest red flag,
just because just I think guys in general, now, the
red flag is how he acts in that.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Rest Totally, totally, totally, you're so brutal.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
I know, and thank god, Yeah, doesn't she say She's like,
you're so you're so full of yourself?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Does she say it?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
There?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
She said something like that will get to it in
a second. I mean, but this is when this whole
episode starts, and you can she's holding it in and
holding it in, holding it in, holding in it, which
I really relate to and feel for her, and you know,
it's fascinating to watch, and she does it so beautifully,
you know, because I was talking to someone else who said, oh,
you know, she makes drama when things are good, but
(08:51):
that's because she's held in so many things.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, of course. Also she's an observer.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I think like she's coming to this as like a
writer and someone who's writing about it, so it's like
the her being thoughtful also talking to our friends a
lot about it.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I don't know if I necessarily think.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
That that's like narcissistic, like I think it is her
job and that to me, I'm like, it's kind of
the this feels like you would. Anyone in relationships is
probably talking about it too much, especially in a new relationships.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
That's just when you're young.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
People do I want my girls to they once they're done,
I go start from the top.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Which I want to hear it again? What do we
think he's doing? I got to hear this again.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
God, you're such a good friend.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I love Anthony in a lot of ways. Love it.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yeah about that, I will. I will think you're less angry, yes, yes, yes, yeah,
I'm more playful yes, which I love.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
So let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
We've got we are in the depths now with Miranda
and Steve. He just showed up last episode. I first
of all didn't even realize he comes in the second season.
He's early and she's amazing, say from the first second,
which I didn't remember.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, he's really not to you know, do you know
not to.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
Do it?
Speaker 3 (10:08):
What would this be? I guess I don't know. I'm like,
what would I How would this get me in trouble?
But he just has a great butt and well.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
So much love.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Like I feel like people like as like a young
gay guy watching the show is like Steeve's like kind
of hot, it's because everyone's like guys, but I'm like,
Steve's hot.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Oh my god, he's very hot, and he's hot. I
never noticed the butt because I know him and I can't.
It's I mean, and I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yes, so much more than that. He really is.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
And the thing that's great about him is that he's
very in the way that I think Evan also does
and definitely Kyle does from the minute they show up,
even though you don't know that that guy is going
to stay and I can't remember if we really knew
what was going to happen with Sidenbergh. They come with
so much.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
And they feel so real, like they feel like the
fully formed because some I think so beautiful are so
beautifully written as this almost like like the jazz guy
for some reason is so funny because that is such
a specific guy and you don't want to it's like, boom,
that's him.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
There is nothing else you need to know. That's true.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
That like some just feel like like even in aiden,
I know I'm being really hard on him today. I
don't know why, but like.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
I just feel like there's a lot Yeah, okay myself, Hey,
we all are I think you know this show so
beautifully writes these like complex, like iconic women, but the
way men are written, I feel like it's so I
don't know, so inspiring to me with.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
The show because it just yeah, at times you can
make so flat, so satirical. So but then someone like
Steve can come in and they're just what you thought
you were imposing on the sprint.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
They're completely different. There's so much that's true and where
he's coming from, and that's.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
So true and what I love is like so he
really also cuts through her stuff, you know, like mine
is obviously and you know, tough and all of the
things right, and she's so mean to him in the
first episode that he comes and now they're just having
all this sex and stuff. She's trying to stay away
even am right, what's morning sex? And she does this
it's a very interesting thing. But then she gets all
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dressed uff for him and drinks a bunch of coffee
and then he comes over, he falls asleep and then
she's like no.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
So that's so like it's those moments.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
I think it even is the you know, the Charlotte,
I'm your wife and you know, I won't do the
whole thing again.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
But it is it is fully just putting yourself.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
It's like those vulnerable moments I think are where the
show is so funny and real, and that like, there's
something funny about turning on sexiness because I think no
one knows when they're actually sexy. Good point, Like we
all think this thing is so sexy, but then I
say that to someone and they're like, no, that was
it was so much hotter when you did that. And
I'm like, oh my god, I looked really.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Gross, you know what I mean. And you're like, I
hate when I wear my hair like that. So it's
something I think it's true like that.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It feels so real in that he's like, you look great,
but it's like that's not the you know.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Well, it's also like she obviously made this effort, which
I think of matters because previously she was kind of
making none, right, and you don't know about that effort. Well,
I do think Steve Keres, because apparently later someone else
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told me this again. I'm really like in it, he
asks her to do something for him. It comes to
his basketball and he doesn't, but then she does, right.
But you know, she's just Miranda has her walls and
she's so much right, and she's like, I'm not going
to compromise her whatever, that's her thing. And as we know,
the whole course of them, this is going to continue
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in different ways.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
In beautiful ways. I think their relationship I love too.
I think their relationship is so Yeah, I don't know,
it feels really real to like, I agree.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I went to college with a lot of New York kids,
and I feel like she feels like a lot of
the parents I met, and those relationships feel like the
parents met.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I don't know. I don't know how to describe it.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Well.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I think that people who go to New York. First
of all, there's a bunch of interesting people who go, right, Like,
you only go to New York if like you're full
of something, like something you want to super succeeds for life,
alpha lost for life, creativity, whatever it is. You only
go to New York if you're like like overly full, right,
and then you go there and then you might be like,
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oh what did I do? This place is insane and
you might leave. But if you stay and creative family,
that means you're different.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Yeah, there's something exactly that that's so especially from people
who came to New York not like raise that right,
because it's like parents, like grew up in Brooklyn and
like that feels that.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
It's definitely, definitely, definitely, Yeah, there's.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Something about them. It all feels very real.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
I'm with you. I'm totally with you. Okay, So I
love their love their thing. Now you see me with
this guy, and you know, apologies to this person. I
don't remember him literally at all. He's so weird. Well,
there were a lot you see yourself and you're like,
oh my god, I'm because I have no I'm just
like I was blacked out that episode. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I mean the amount of like hours you're clocking in
Honestly at that point on a sound stage. It is
just like I thought, no.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
And we're not in the sound stage at that point.
I do think I had. I think at this one,
I saw my white flowers, Charlotte's white flowers show up
in this episode for the first time. Very exciting. Yeah, yeah,
I think I might have three flats from my bedroom now.
I started with just two and a bed and a
night stand and a picture of a woman falling through water.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yes, that was it, and that that's so high it's high. Yeah,
it's high in the corner.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
It's high.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Although I don't think Charlotte would have a TV and no,
I know.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
I think I only had it because I had that
handyman one time who had to come fix it, and
then I decided to have sex fix it.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Exact you thought it was day Zo. Need to start
with me, you can go all day I remember that
I love that gay guy that you're like, oh no,
oh my god, I.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Love him and crush on him is incredible.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Ye, when he's had a huge crush.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Well done. Yeah, yeah, well let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
We called him metrosexual.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Oh yeah, which I think we got to bring that back.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
That was so so you're not against, No, I think,
I mean, okay.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
I'm like, I don't think I'm I don't know if
I'm pro or against. I think I'm more like, I
just if that was a tiptoe into being more accepting
gay people tell you. But also I'm like, it is
funny to finally give it a term, because it's like,
you guys are acting Gaysing.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Said that at the time it would have been bad.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, but metro feels like it was the culture at
that it was my thing.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Is also like they're like, no, that guy is gay,
you can't go out with him, and I'm like, he is,
Oh no, I think I haven't rewatched, but I think
there's like a lot of I think you're like, let.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Me see, I really love Charlotte being like it feels
very true. It feels very true to my experiences with
women to where it would be like gay was put
so far down on the list of things they thought
that were going wrong between me and them.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
This is true.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Yeah, They're like, it's me. It's my body, it's my hair,
my skin, the way I talk. And then someone's like
or he's a flaming homosexual and they're like no, no, no, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Yes, okay. I went to college with a bunch of actors.
I went to Rutgers and they had me school School
of the Arts, like the BFA program. Yeah, so when
we started.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I know where this is going, you do.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
When they started, the sophomores and up would take beds
on the freshman and who would be gay and who
wouldn't be gay, and we were just like what you know?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
And I came from South Carolina, all right, so I
was super clueless. I know a bunch of gay people,
but no one said they were gay. Of course they
were in South Carolina. Yeah, so in the eighties.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah, my prom date is gay. But that's also my
boyfriend exactly.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, and we're going together for a while, exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
So. I have a boyfriend in college in my freshman year.
His name is Bob, and he was a sophomore. So
I thought, well, he's already as the freshman test or whatever.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Of course, I love this to me, let me.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
She was so sweet, right, really, like you could have
emotional conversations with me. I've never had this in my
young life, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I never total So then.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
In the in the indimcy category, he was really into
giving oral sex, not so much into the other things. Right,
it's not really my thing, which I know, like I'm
saying a lot. I understand its clickbait right now, but
this is the truth in your Benny, So I'm gonna
tell you. I was like, that's not really my thing
so much, but it's just I could never like get
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over that hurd so important. I'm talking to my other
freshman girlfriends about it, and we're all just like, oh, well,
that's interesting, and they were all put it, don't you
like that?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Isn't that good?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Trying to please you? Isn't that great? And I'm like, well,
I don't know, it's just really kind of all it happens,
and like I just can't seem to like I just
keep thinking it's gonna progress and it just doesn't.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
That's kind of it.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, okay, but isn't that that's not really bad? And
I'm like, I don't know, I don't know. I mean,
I don't know why it took them so long, but
come junior year, very gay. Yeah, but then it was
a drama and it's so sad when I look back
on it because it was like such a it's like
what your show is about, you know, And that's part
of why I love your show, Like it's it is
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a specific relationship that you should be able to make great.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Yeah, but it's it's what's so it's that it's both sad,
but then also in the end, I think there is
something beautiful about it. There's like a safety as long
as like women. I think I always feel terrible if
it ever comes across as like women getting used in
that way because it's.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
So used you know, it's it's so confused.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Absolutely, yeah, and that's it. It's a little bit like
mental warfare that you were unfortunately, psychological warfare that we're
imposing on women where they're like yeah, and so I
think that's the thing too. It's like that everyone is
kind of having this in all of their sexual.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Explorations, you know, yes, yes, And I think that's what
Sex and the City does so beautifully.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
That there are so many other ways that these things
can be strange because sex is so weird, like the
way and everyone brings a weirdness to it.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
But yeah, it is, I know.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
But the thing that was said was that after we've
been so close, I was always just like a little
mad at him. I guess I was just like, yeah,
well Macnus.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
And I think that's that also is the show and
that I'm like, I these relationships are so complicated, like
he does there and there's miscommunication, and there's you are
you know unfortunately like telling you know something.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Eighteen or nineteen or whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, and you're like, oh, I put right.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
You're like I gave you my body like I felt,
you know, and and then like, oh you wasted my time.
That was kind of a thing that conversation at that
point in time in a theater school, I would say
probably most Oh yeah, you had to look real hard.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
You had to look real hard to find anyone.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
And there would probably be the one you would never
would have thought.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Oh no, No, it was one that I totally thought, okay,
and it was a great, great boyfriend. But it took
me till senior year to figure that out. But it
was great because it was freedom. It was freedom once
you kind of accepted you know, it's just freedom. Yeah,
I'm saying, oh, totally, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you want
to talk about Charlotte and this this boy it's just
to get circumcised, which is so weird and honestly, can
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it even happen?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
So yeah, I don't know if this I think I can.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
I love that Charlotte's crushing our guys like this, that
she's saying, hey, I need this, but it is so
a guy thing to have this new At the end,
when he's like, I know, I kind of have this
newfound life.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I can't live it.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
You don't see it coming from this dude, He's like,
kind of.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
It's just great.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
It's just like it's such a deliciously written this sequence
to me that it's like, I mean, I don't, yeah,
I don't. This is so interesting to me because if
it is so American and that this is such a
because I grew up in Idaho, so it was like
if someone was uncircumcised.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Everyone knew, right, it was very different.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
It was so different and so yeah, and so I
feel like there is something so Charlotte when she has
that line that she's like, I'm from Connecticut.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Right, that is so Mary.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
I know a lot of people do this, like cover
their true selves, but I mean it's it's a lot
of work.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
It's a lot of work, so much so that acting
is really it feels really fun.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah, I'm like kind of back in, back in the
swing of things. I love that. I think Charlotte, I don't.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
I think she could have maybe come to love it
at some point if she really ended up liking the guy.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah, that guy was exciting enough.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I completely agree, and.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
I think she was like, oh, yeah, maybe let's see
and then I'm getting it done.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
At first I could see how that'd be like for me, right, No.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
That was exciting.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
What could be better?
Speaker 1 (23:07):
The girls are like, you know, the girls don't even
get on her her thinking, which is obviously not unusual,
but it is very sweet. But there are also so
many big things that happened, but you know we weren't well.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Samantha's My favorite is is very much. I really see
myself reflected in that of returning to an ex girlfriend
and you're like dressed up as.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Them in a way. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
I think about that a lot where I'm like, well, yeah,
I had kind of been with this girl in college,
if you and so I wonder if she was ever
story And I just say, I've never heard a single
thing from her about anything, and I've never heard anyone
ask her, but I am curious, like if she it
seems like maybe she is kind of like more on
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the mad side, you know, and kind of like what
the fuck me?
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Does she still have an Idaho?
Speaker 3 (23:56):
No? No, this was in college, but it's just so
but it's so funny to me to think, like, oh
my god, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
That scene feels so real of like my.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Thought looking at it was why is she not more flattered?
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Well what I mean incredible delivery of like I'm so
much prettier than her.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
So it's funny, but it's incredible.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I think now maybe more flattered. I think at the time,
I think it might be a little bit of the
Bob thing where you're like, damn, wait really and like,
am I the reason that.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
She's confused?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
But I'm a perfect woman, right, you know?
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Like how so I and I think there is just
something so almost in that of him like taking her
entire vibe.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
For the drag queen. I feel like it is also.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Is it not flattering?
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I think both the name and the look is kind
of like that could be like to.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Wait, you're you know of like calling yourself you took
my whole vibe?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, I'm clearly the reference here, right, you know, but
but it's just to I think that is almost like
just a beautifully like comedic scene in an episode that
feels more like about this complicated of like carrying big
kind of being hell, yes, need that moment of like.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Oh definitely don't know. I was thinking about this as
I rewatched, like how once we feel more confident to
be dramatic, the things that we have deemed to be
the comedy subplots have to be upped of course.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
Yeah, yeah, it's like tone.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
I mean that show like I think Sex and the
City balances tone so beautifully because it's like the second
it would maybe get too much, then there is like
a perfect laugh or just like someone one of the
side stories, whether it be you or Miranda or you know,
and that these and or carry at times where like
that that's the humor. Like even I think Hot Child
in the City. I'm trying to think of what the
(25:48):
other storylines were, but Carr watch it was just like
a young guy that she's like taking, Yeah, and it's
like she kind of gets to have that kind of
like funlucky hair.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yeah exactly. And he's like he drawser in a comic book,
you know, and it feels.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Very had a new writer drew comic books all.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
This is why it happened. Yes, it's all coming.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Back to it's very like light and I think can
balance that and what a gift of an ensemble.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I think that that's so fun for writers.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Okay, if it's going to be so if this is
going to be so sad, like I remember when I
was writing the fifth episode, Scott King and I were
laughing so much at the thought of Haley spreading Mono
at this party while you know, me and Carmen are
getting our hearts broken, but just playing within that world
because you know, people sign up for a comedy so
you also.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Want to definitely, and I asked a very risky question,
and you can go please.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I never want to leave.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
So obviously we took time off. We did the movies,
we took time off, we came back with them just
like that. We intended to come back and make a
different show with the same characters, which I know is
slightly insane. I don't know if I knew it then,
but I definitely know it now.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Well, of course, as is always the case.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
And no one had really done this. It's not something
that's commonly done. We're so lucky we got to do it, obviously.
And the tone is different, obviously because we could never
replicate the tone, you know, And it's twice as long,
and there's more characters and we're dealing with different things.
But when you look at say, the balance of drama
and comedy in Sex and City and then the whatever
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people want to call it, like people talk about how
like we're insane on interest like that, which I don't
feel when I'm in it.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Like that people are acting insane in the show, or
that it's or like, oh the scenarios are insane.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
I don't feel any of it is insane.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I don't know it's insane.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
I think it's it's it's a shift from the show,
but in a way that, Yeah, that feels like you
have to naturally evolves.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I mean, what an insane creative challenge. I think it's like.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
The whole process of it because also each one is
coming to you want to show evolution of characters, and
I think that's something tricky that that people you know,
whether they love or don't love how a character acting.
It's like, but the actor also has to bring in
history to it, like this has been they are not
that character that you met, because no one is the
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person that they were years ago.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
That's that would be strange.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
And that's the problem though, because we're frozen in time
and still being watched. Yeah, yet we're making this new thing.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Well that's why it's smart to create a different format
for it. But I think there's still in obvious blend
of comedy and drama and and maybe like a little
bit lesser like intense drama. I mean, I guess big
like literally dropped dead. But sorry, I'm laughing at some
uncomfortable because I think it's funny, just like I guess, well.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
We started so then exactly the ultimate.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
There is exactly that there is like a maybe more
levity than any for me, definitely, I don't know. I
think that the show so beautifully can keep people still engaged.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Though I don't know. That's the thing I like to
say exactly, which.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
I think, isn't that Like, I don't know, it's kind
of proving it self in that it's like, still we
have so much to say about women and what we
think women should be an act in too in culture,
and whether that be sexually.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Or with their families exactly. So I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
And each of the relationships also still feel complicated, Like
I think the carry and aiden thing does kind of
sound like something that I think some people that are
single at that age feel, and that there's you know,
so I'm like that feel are you really yeah, marry me?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Is he going to come?
Speaker 2 (29:31):
He's coming? Of course? My Charlotte's so sweet? Yeah, he
really is, my Charlotte?
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Are you a Charlotte at all?
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Okay, So I think I'm Charlotte Rising because at times
I am very you know, and I do feel kind
of like a preppy boy, and I like being straight.
I like being straight. A's I like doing you know,
I was the auditorio very that. But then I think
I lean maybe a little bit like naughtier like Samantha.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
And then I do have like some Carrie in me.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
I think I was going to say Carrie, I do
feel get a.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
I'm not, but I love her so much. I just
and I surround myself. I think with Miranda and Charlotte's
that feels like like Mary Beth to me, feels like
a bit of she's such a Charlotte. But then I
think there's like a Miranda. She's very logical, very like also.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Like sharp sharp yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's I
wouldn't use sharp.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I think she is.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
She's so sharp, you know what, and she's.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
So like I think what I love is like the
stances are always just like it's this, and that feels
and so totally like my East Coast girls like you
nail that and and just like that is a joy,
like just to be clear like everything. I think it's
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cool that there's so much discourse, like that is so
scary to me. Of course it's scary, but I like,
I think I'm getting like a tiny dust of that
with my show, where like there are people have so
many opinions of careacters. Yeah, and they keeping like redeem
him or I hate her she's a lesbian, and I'm like, yeah,
I know, okay, sometimes but I think the fact that
people are talking about it and electrified and that carry
(31:11):
all of a sudden it is pissed at Miranda.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Hell yeah, I seated.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
It was fascinating. I didn't see it coming.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Man, I don't drink that Mexican cut were scared.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I was scared. I was scared last week when they
argued after my birthday party.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
That's what I mean. I haven't seen the latest week
that's tonight.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah, and yeah, because the coke, I think was even
before it's been coming, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Well, she took the last Mexican I know.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
See, they have a complex relationship. When you look back,
it's own.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
There is the kind of remember when I think there's
something there. I agree, but they need to kiss, but there's.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Something, there's something at this point, it's like letter.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah, lesbian too, and I just watched My Power Lesbians.
It was really fun. Up opportunity woman.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Oh my god, her lines, what a great mic drop.
She But if you're not gonna eat seat, you're not. Oh.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I know, man, I know. I went to the cubby
room when I was young, and well in there.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I love you so much. You're perfect.
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