July 7, 2025 • 48 mins
Practical Magic and Royal Pains star fakes it til he makes it with Kristin while they discuss Season 2 Episode 4: "They Shoot Single People, Don't They?". Mark reveals what shocked him about seeing his own shirtless body on camera, shares a hilarious story about his father telling everyone he knows to watch Sex and the City, and what his Rabbi thought of his scenes!
Mark also has high praise for Cynthia Nixon and you'll want to hear all of the behind-the-scenes stories! This episode was on FEUERstein!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
you a Charlotte? All right, you guys, I have the
incredible Mark bursting. Did I do all right?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Nailed that?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I really could tell, I really could tell. This is
the thing. If you look at how your name is spelled,
it is confusing, but if you just think about it.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It's a lot of valid.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Right you look at them short spear, don't look at them,
just think about how it sounds. Right. So that's what
I did, Hannah, and I great job. Thank you, thank you,
thank you, so you all. I'm sure know who Mark
is for many reasons, but our reason that we have
him today is that he was in an incredible episode
called They Shoot Single People, Don't They filmed in in
(00:48):
nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Right, Oh my god, looking at yourself, I mean this
must happen to every guest on your show. But looking
at yourself at that time, I mean, on the one hand, yes,
so young and god the skin is young and vibrant
and unaffected by cracks of life and age. But I'm
(01:13):
also quite thick and meat heady to myself.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Oh you look adorably, very handsome, but kind of real,
like a guy and.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
By the way, another weird thing that my wife and
I both noticed watching it last night. I have an
incredibly hairy chest. It's gone. I don't have that hair.
Can I show you now? Yes, I'm gonna why not?
(01:44):
Why can't.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
So much less hairy then in the show?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Like a gorilla?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I don't know, so you didn't.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
It's a fascinating thing about boy. And there's a chance
we would do a podcast for the medical show that
I did called Royal Pain. Yes, so in that we
can explore where my ear went. Fantastic, It'll be like
a crossover episode of podcasts.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'm going to listen to that. So were you aware
previous to watching rewatching this old episode that that there
was this absence of hair?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Was I aware that I would see how hairy I was?
Or you'd like you forgot? I've had this phantom feeling like, wait,
I think it's much better up there than it used
to be. And this was confirmation.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Really funny, really funny. I like that a lot. I mean,
it is really funny the things that you notice when
you look at your younger self.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
You know, friend, there were so many things about the episode.
So I want you to guide me but like, believe me,
I have things to say.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Oh I can't wait. I'm sure I have a lot
of things to say to you. I have to say.
My overall gist of rewatching the show is that it's
all much much better than I remember.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Great.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I remember thinking that it took us a long time
to get ourselves like really together. But when I look back,
I'm like, no, no, it's fantastic. Like sometimes there's funny
production things, like when this episode starts and it has
the stars, it has like the twinkling lights and the
stars to me is so charming.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yes, it is sweet, so sweet.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
It's so not you know, HD blah blah for a
whatever the heck blah blah blah. No, it's adorable.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
And then there's some really funny camera anglis. This episode,
by the way, is directed by John David Coles, who.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I've worked with on other things, many other things. He
was the first time, and then we would do an
entire series called Three Pounds, which I did with Stanley
Tucci about brain surgeons. He played the like bad bedside
manner guy. I was the good bedside manner guy. It
was like ahead of its time. It was a great
show created by Peter Aco. Okay, and in dearra Varma,
(03:53):
a great actions from England was wonderful on it and
it just was too like specific niche for that time
where you want just like general medical practice, but like
in this time, it was like there was a question
which asked the question, an episode which asked the question
does the brain create God? Or does God create the brain? Wow?
(04:17):
And like we went into some deep Wow.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I missed the show. I want to look at us.
I love you and Stanley too.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
She Oh, I loved him. He was amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
He's amazing.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
He had us all to his house in upstate New
York or yes, South Salem, somewhere like that and made
us all fresh pizza in his pizza ovens.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Oh, how incredible. So I have to ask you because
you just reminded me. Do you remember and I don't know.
I feel like this was after this episode. Do you
remember running to me into me in the Hampton's.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yes, I do, I don't remember where it was.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Well, my best friend Lisa, her mom Dorothy Cornblith not
that everyone needs.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
To know that she's a dear friend of our family.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Right, So Lisa, I was out there because at that time.
I don't even know if I rented a house. I
think I just went to Dorothy's house. Okay, because why not.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, if you know somebody the house George from this
episode and many others, you just take one, you go
with it.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
At least it would come out. And we had no
children then, so we would just like have fun on
the weekends and it was really fun. And then there's
like some like a cocktail part of your dinner. Park
can't remember and there you were, right, so you are
still like your family's still out there. You still go.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Oh, yes, I mooch off my parents who rent a
house in Bridgehampton, and my brother and his wife own
one in Sagaponic. Oh, fantastic. It's the gangs all there
for like some of July and August fun. It'll be great.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, when we work we go out as well. Still amazing,
like every other summer, which is perfect for the kids
because they love it, love it, they love it. Okay,
let's talk about first of all, what I love to
ask my actor friends to come on, which is so exciting.
Tell me about your life when you got this part.
What do you remember?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Oh my god, I it was nineteen ninety nine, I
had us. Okay, So I came to New York in
I want to say ninety four, after drama school voiceovers
agent pretty quickly got an agent, was doing regional theater,
(06:14):
did a play called a Dibick at the Hartford Stage Company,
did something at Act and then in ninety seven, ninety six,
ninety seven, I was doing sitcoms. So Sex and the
City was, Oh my god, I'm just remembering the story
that I very much want to tell you about being
on Sex and City, but I will.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I have a story also, I can tell you, yes,
maybe the stories go together.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
It feels like we're going to be telling each other things. Yeah.
So I got some sitcoms when I first came out
to LA. One was called Caroline and the City, and
one was called Fired Up with Lea Remoni and Sharon Lawrence.
And then I came back to New York, was on
(06:58):
Broadway in a play called Last Night at bally Who
and somewhere that oh you did, yes, okay, Well, Paul
Rudd had been in it originally, and then for that
summer of like ninety seven I was I replaced.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Him with Jessica.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Jessica heck, okay, well then awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Amazing, that's a win, what a great thing.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
It was an amazing play. It was so great great.
It was really good to be in that and be
on Broadway and go to Sarties every night special and
my father was like leading various contingents from my life
in New York to come. So it was like a
bar mitzvah every night after the play. It was one
night it was the building, one night it was the synagogue,
(07:45):
one night it was my school. I had teachers come.
But which is leading into my Sex and the City store,
because now I got this role of josh ophthalmologist on
Sex and the City. And while my sitcoms were to
do and real work in TV, this was the first
time I was on a cool show that was like,
(08:06):
I mean, come on, Sex and the City was.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
At this point, I don't really remember.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
That, are you kidding? After one, it was everywhere and
HBO was just hitting some stride. Yes of course, and so.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yes, okay, very cool, cool, Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
So my father is feeling that to the extent he
can be aware of what's cool, and he's telling everyone
that I just mentioned in the building, the the school,
the Snega and everybody. Mark's gonna be on Sex and
the City. You gotta watch Mark on Sunday night on
Sex and the City. So now all of our Upper
(08:47):
east Side New York is aware. And the show comes
on and we're watching, and there's the scene with Miranda
where she says, Josh, you know where the clitterish is?
And I say, she goes, it's two inches from what
you think is the second the episode is over, Rabbi
Einseidler is calling my father, Go Harvey, how could you
(09:08):
tell me to watch this show. I'm watching with my
daughter Sarah and Rifka. It's horrible this, Thank Clintoris, what
is happening? I'm so sorry, rap Harold. Anyway, it was
my father. You know what you wish for.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I understand, I understand. I feel bad for your dad
that he that he didn't grasp the entirety of the situation.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
The sex part of the title didn't hit him until
he didn't really he heard the word taurus.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I get it, I get it. It was not a
word you heard a lot on television. I still don't
think it is a word you hear a lot on television,
but I could be wrong. Because there's so much now.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I don't know, It's it's hard to say. I mean,
does is there been any show there's dying for sex,
which is maybe.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
It's true, but I haven't heard only one episode They
didn't talk about no nothing. It's it's so funny. As
I was watching it, I was thinking to myself, this
is still an issue, this stuff, you know, faking orgasms, right,
where's the clarist? These are still these are still things
that need to be discussed, yes, which is kind of
(10:13):
insane because that's like twenty five almost twenty eight years ago.
Ye crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I mean, I guess what could have happened in that
twenty five years, like better sex education? Yea, fathers sending
your sons down and going this is what you have
to do.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Wouldn't it be helpful?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I mean, I may have a very interesting conversation with
my son Frisco tonight.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I think it would be great. Frisco's a great name.
I mean, look, I have a son he's seven, so
I really haven't had to contemplate this yet, thank goodness,
because it is daunting, right, it is daunting. But the
thing that I think could have changed that obviously went
kind of the opposite way is if you think about
the ascension of porn, right, because now this is where
(10:56):
kids apparently are seeing things. It's not a good source. Okay,
it's very misleading and no one's explaining anything. It's just
the mayhem.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
So how would you go about educating young men? Right?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
They got to watch sex.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
So they won't fall into the josh trap?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Right, well, the josh trap. First of all, let's just
talk about how incredibly adorable you are. I mean, because
this is one of the things I've been seeing in
the beginning of the show. Especially the men sometimes are
just awful, like just like.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
You mean in terms of their behavior or yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
The storylines, the storylines, I don't mean the performance at all,
because usually they're just I mean, who knows. I've been
trying to get Gabrielle mocked on here to explain how
he felt, because he has to play this guy in
the first season who is secretly filming himself having sex
with models and tells Carrie that it's his work of art.
But it was secret, right, and he's just bragging to
(11:49):
her and it's all the girls from the pages of Vogue.
It's like, so she no, she smokes a cigarette.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And she's yeah, she's like interesting hearing a little more. Yeah, serious.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
It was nineteen ninety eight, right, and it was a
different time, and you know, I talked to Kennis Buschanel
about that also, saying like where were these stories come from?
She said, Oh, they were real stories. People would come
up and volunteer them to me because they wanted me
to write them in a column, which is very interesting
to model all of that over and how we as
women were just kind of used to it, right, because
it's not even a big deal.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
In that episode horrible, I mean, there was this scandal
in France.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I don't know if you don't even I don't know,
so awful talk.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
About like that situation times.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
A million, horrific and incredibly brave women. We're not even
going to go deeply into that because that's a different show,
but I mean that's a good example of like things
gone horribly right.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Just the most extreme example proof like just how awful
it would be. Can tell that story without the judgment
that is like warranted.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Absolutely, And that's the part when I look back and
it's so interesting, like as a time capsule, and people
debate a lot about Big and Carrie at this point,
and I've Sara Jessica's been on the record, and I
understand her point of view, and largely what she's saying
is if you think about the time and then the
generation that raised Carrie and bag right in us as well,
(13:12):
but we're raising the young people and so now things
are different, right, So now we know all these words
about you know, gas lighting, bread crumbing, when you just
leave enough tidbits to keep someone interested, but you're not
really there. You're withholding like we have all these words now, right.
We didn't even ever talk like that in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
No, no, But is bread crumbing a good word for
what happens to Samantha in this episode?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Definitely?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
When the guy keeps mentioning we we we're gonna go.
We're gonna go to the Hamptons, Yes, we And then
she's sitting alone at the table with an actor who
I love, who I know.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
You do you know the waiter? The waiter, Oh my god,
he's so sweet.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
A Jay Mayita.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Wow, he's so guy.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
He plays Roger's father in Royal Pains. I'm saying rog
like anybody that's okay. But anyway, someone there was a
great character named Divia played by Rashmash. She married a
character named Raj and a Jay Meta.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Is his dad?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Is her dad? Sorry? Is her dad?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Cool?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And he was?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
He was so lovely. Samantha just breaks your heart sitting
there by herself.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yes, it was a little odd how close they were
so quickly in that little vestibule by the bathroom. Listen,
because it was like you were like, oh, this is
something's about to happen.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
That totally totally. But I think that's because Samantha is vulnerable,
which is really rare, really rare. You know that she's
like crying at a table like it was very moving
and shocking, I know. But I also think, as Candace
told us when she came back, then everybody was like
available to having sex, at least in Candace's world.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I don't personally remember it like that, but phones had
not taken over our lives.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
My phones phones. That's the thing for that scene that
you take away. She's sitting there and she's like, I
didn't have anything to distract me. I didn't have a
book or a newspaper, right, And I'm just sitting there
and I'm like, right, we didn't even have a.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Phone and she has to call her machine, right, the
machine to find out if he left a message. It's
such a different time and I'm just so glad it's
on film so the people can like to see what
it was like.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Anachronism, right, just like no young person would be like
just take out your phone.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I know, yes, I know. And then at the end
when Carrie is sitting by herself, which I thought was
I remember none of this some episodes. I remember everything
this episode. I was like, what is going to happen?
And like when Carrie's at the end and she's got
her Petmina around her and she has her glasses, and
she's like, I did it on purpose. I'm sitting by myself.
I'm claiming this. I'm not going to distract myself.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
I was like, yes, yes, yes, yeah, but like yes
in a very profound way, because she's saying, I'm I'm
leaving myself open and bare and vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Publicly to be approached, to just be in my own space,
and that doesn't exist anymore. I know. No one sits
alone and puts their phone on their table and.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Looks without the glasses.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Me world, I know, they just go on their phone.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I know, I would be scared. I would be scared
to sit at a table, take my glasses off and
just stare into the distance. Yeah, I don't know what
would happen.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
But you know this writer Jonathan hat who talks about
our dependents on social media child psychologists and how kids
all agree if we could all agree to get rid
of certain of the apps from like Snapchat and TikTok,
they would do it like they would all like they
(16:50):
would tell the other kids would agree. No one agrees,
and therefore we just have this.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Well, I think we're going to get there. That's my feeling.
I haven't let my daughter have any social media.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
She has a phone.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Now she has no social media.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Amazing. I know, good for you.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I know, and I think it's really good for her.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Of course it is, Yeah, of course it's super. They're
like these two young girls in eighth grade at the
school we send our kids to. But this this one
dad and the one couple who have a they're like
from another era. These girls. On a Saturday night, they
go to one of their houses whose parents are artists
(17:26):
and they paint. And the eighth grader of my my
friend's daughter doesn't have a phone. At all.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
And he's like, I think I need to get you
something so I can like where you are. And she's like,
get me a flip phone.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I don't know, love her, good for her, good for her. Okay,
let's go back to the show and yourself. So you're there,
you get this cool show, your dad's all excited. Then
you get in some trouble with a rabbi.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Oh dear, yeah, wait wait, I have a thing about
this sexual aspect. Tell me because we were on that.
So I'm just going to stay on that for one
more for it, go for it. I'll never get how
comfortable Cynthia Nixon wash.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
She has no fear.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
It's crazy, like I maybe this is gonna sound chauvinistic,
like I enjoy being the actor, the guy who would
make his counterpart feel comfortable. Oh good, feel safe.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Sure she's discobing.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
In some way. We're doing intimacy stout, intimacy coordinators. Definitely
respectful but also chivalrous, all of that. And I come
in with that attitude to Cynthia Nixon and she's like
drops her tops. She's like, let's go, and I'm like, oh,
and now I'm uncomfortable. And now I'm like, would you please?
Oh make no? I was, but like I really.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Thought, she's not normal. But you got to love that
about her.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
It's very very impressive.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yes, it's very impressive. But the rest of us were
always a little bit like, oh God, what's going to happen?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
And then what about for yourself?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Oh I'm nervous, Nelly big time?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
So how would you handle that in a time when.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I didn't have to do it, didn't have to do
it a lot for a while though. We have distressed
this and I did get in some trouble. But see,
I'm not really conservative. It's a very funny and interesting thing.
This particular episode pretty conservative. But there I had more
guys in the end before I found my different husbands
than even Samantha. Really can you believe that?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Who knew?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I know? I know you. I wasn't even really aware.
There was a time where I was like, oh my god,
if I have to kiss another guy this week? Oh
my lord, Like you know it's hard.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Can you dish or at least just say about the
guy in this episode where that started?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
And can I tell you that I literally remember nothing terrible?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Did that guy last more than episode?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
This one?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Guy who just came fixed stuff and then you were like,
all right, let's see what happens. Yes, it was funny
that he was an actor deciding whether or not to
stay with acting, because.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Now he was like the least literally you're looking actor
that they've ever hired for any of us.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Well, that you've given me a perfect segue to the
most actor looking actor who appears in this episode.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Oh oh, Bradley, are you kids?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
And he is so great? Yeah, he's Bradley Cooper.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Here was like four lines. He is a member.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I remember it's so funny that he was in this
episode because I went to a Christmas party at Darren
Starr's house and there was Bradley Cooper who was at
that moment. And I don't know where it falls in
the timeline. He was the star of Kinschit and Confidential.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Wow what year was this? I mean god, because we
were his first on camera job. No, isn't that insane?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Insane?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And he has talked about it at some point on
something and said that he was really nervous and that
he couldn't drive a stick shift and they told him,
you're going to be driving a vintage Poorschief to drive
a stick shift, and they send him to driving school
and he's still messed up on the day. I'm sure
it was like four am.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Right. The shift is so hard that it was my
first experience in a car. I stripped the clutch within
a week of having it.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
For sure, and you can imagine a vintage Porsche. I'm
sure it was nervous making. I would be dying, so
I said someone else had to do it, and that
then in the take because they pull over and then
he says he's going to cigarettes. But apparently they had
to just kind of ad lib the pulling over. I
don't know. He wasn't supposed to do it like that,
but it worked. It worked, and who cares?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
It worked?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Interesting?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Would you have we have to believe other than maybe
silver Lining's playbook or something that. Yeah, that was the
last time we're going to see Bradley Cooper rejected like
he is.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Well, look, he is not rejected in a casual manner.
He's rejected because she's having this large existential crisis based
on this magazine cover.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
She's saying, like exclamation point, I am single, exactly exclamation point,
and I choose to be and I don't need men
to right.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And the thing that I loved about Bradley because I
only have the vaguest memory. I don't think I ever
ran into him or whatever it was the middle of
the I I'm sure I wasn't there, and I just
remember that he was there and that I would talk
to him intermittently as his success, you know, happened like
oh my god, you know when I would see him,
but I didn't really remember the gist of the part,
and then it was in this particular episode. So I
(22:22):
think he makes a couple of really fascinating choices, even
in his very new be self right, And one of
them is when so he goes to get cigarettes. Part
of why she chooses him is that he's he's he's
I don't even know if she says good looking, he's single, heterosexual,
and he smokes. That's why she goes out of the
bar with him, which I think is very finally the
reason Bradley Cooper.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I mean there's some other reasons. Yeah, there's other reasons,
but in the young Bradley Cooper's self, I could see it,
and that's where the character carry is at. Right, And
so Stanford is left saying everyone here is homosexual even
though there's two heterosexual people like fully make it out
behind her, but whatever, and so then then Bradley, yeah,
I was like those anyway. Ben Bradley walks in and
I mean, why not, right, And he's got a cigarette,
(23:04):
so she's like yay hey, and he's you know, dreamy.
So then they leave there in the Porsche. He gets
out to get the smokes and of course sees this
magazine where she does not look the best of herself,
and it says, uh, is it single and fabulous? Question mark? Right,
that's the point rather than single and fabulous? With that
explamation boy which she.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
On how she looks and weather or that she's.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Been up all night. It's all my fault. I made
her have more drinks. But we'll get to that in
a second. So then he comes he comes back, and
the window is up of the of the convertible Porsche,
and he takes the magazine and puts it right in
her face, and like a kid, says, is that you?
It's the most interesting choice because he really could have
gone negative there, you know, but he doesn't. He's like,
(23:50):
is that you? It's not necessarily like he thinks it's horrible. Right,
it's just really in her face, you know what I'm
saying that like confronting this perception of being single, you know,
and maybe that's bad. And we've been talking about it
the whole episode, right, And that's when she says, if
I go home with him, I am going home with
him to prove exclamation mark, but I will actually be
(24:10):
proving question mark, right, and I'm not going to do that.
And then he goes, I'm not going to let you out,
which he also says in the most adorable way, which
could also have been kind of sinister, right, right, it
was a little sinister, but his choice there was super interesting.
Like he doesn't go sexy at all. He just goes like,
I'm not going to let you out. Well, he's very charming, okay,
(24:31):
and he seems like he might be playing a little drunk,
like when he gets out of the car in his
leather pants, he looks a little drunk, you know, like
high on the night. Whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
It's all very fascinating, and I thought we could have
had a whole episode of them, you know what I mean.
But I am also that was it. It wasn't even
a whole episode right, But I also really would have
loved a whole episode of you and the other oh
oh my god. And that's what I started saying too earlier,
is that some of the guys, especially first season, you're
just like ow ick ew. Part of it is the storyline,
(25:01):
but part of it is just like you can't see
the positive and what I loved about what you did,
And I don't know if this was conscious, and I'm
so curious how you felt. You're just adorably like wanting
to please and it's almost like like what he like
the look on your face when she tells you that
all these other women must have been faking it, and
you're just like really trying to think through, Oh my god,
(25:23):
were they were they faking it? With it like it's
so adorable?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Oh thank you? Well, I just I just took what
was written very seriously and that this is this guy's
a doctor and if he's going to if his skill
set is lacking, he is going to learn, just like
he did with medicine. Sure, but the fun of it
(25:47):
for me was knowing that she's faking it as an actor, Yeah,
that it's only held in starker relief by a guy
who thinks he's There was one ad lib that I'm.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I was, I was, I was proud of tell us.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
At the very last moment of the episode, you know,
I guess Samantha is a Samantha Miranda, Carrie is saying
in voiceover, and not much was happening uptown, and Carrie's
giving the performance of her I.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Mean, uh, Miranda, Miranda's giving.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
The performance of her life. And I'm behind whatever.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, yeah, that's funny for camera.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, and I'm like, oh oh yeah. And then at
my moment of climax, I yell, I'm a manble just
stepping into how pathetic he is.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
That's so cute because funny in his mind he thinks
he just nailed it totally. But that's what's so adorable.
And she's so not she's so funny on her side
because she's in front of him. You can't see your face.
It's very funny. I thought that that John did a
(27:12):
great directing job of this episode.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
He's a great director, like a real stalwart.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Amazing and he does some fun like he do. You
remember in the beginning when we're out dancing, which we'll
talk about in a second, because I'm not in order
and he does these funny camera things. He then comes
back later on when I don't know if I take
a drug or something, meaning Charlotte, but I have this
trippy dancing. I don't know if we just called him
when we had dancing or whatever, it seems like we did.
(27:39):
And I have this trippy dancing that I do. But
maybe next season. And I can't remember what leads to this,
but something under the lane.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Of sex and City was no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
It wasn't that. It was Charlotte being uptight and then
Charlotte in some way having an alternate experience.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Carry back and like you're the one saying, let's come on.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
We never with the drinking, yeah, I know, which is
very unusual, too, very unusual. And I remember all that.
But we're gonna talk about that a second, because I
want to tell you my story that I remember. Okay,
so you come, it's your first day. Now, I don't know,
did you go to a readthrough or anything like that?
Do you remember?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Okay, I know that we always tried to have read throughs,
but at a certain point it got really hard with
the you know, the schedule and then the new people
you know, and whether you're free or not free. So
some people remember the read throughs like vividly like a theater.
It's almost like a theater level read through because Michael
Patrick especially looks at it like that, you know, like
an old school read through, right, where like if that
(28:40):
joke doesn't land in the read through, that joke gets cut,
which I'm continually trying to explain to my potent children,
like please act in the read through because they're you know, young,
and they would like to be very real and I'm like,
your jokes are going to get cut, so you need
to do it up right, okay, smart? Yeah, and they
look at me like I'm insane.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
It's a great it's a great thank you advice because
it's like Hollywood, you're always selling always, like gotta always
be in a pitch, in a development meeting, whatever it is, like,
don't let it sag because they'll just go, you know what,
I've lost all enthusias.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, and I just think the young people idea, right,
I don't think they know this, you know, And I
mean they are young, so yeah, I mean, and I
am there.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
They're paid, so they.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Are getting paid. But I just want their stuff to stay,
you know, too, just for self selfish reasons. I want
them to have good stuff. Anyway. Sometimes maybe they listen occasionally,
I don't know. But anyway, so you did never read through.
So I think that was your first day. And the
three of us are in the trailer, and in the
trailer what we would do is we would run our
lines because Michael Patrick expected us to have our lines perfect.
(29:41):
Oh hell yeah perfect. And on this particular day I
remember him, we were, you know, going around that one
section with the fence and I'm stretching or whatever, and
I had some line. I don't remember exactly what the
line was. I should have paid more attention whenever you watch,
but it's like something something something something something something. And
I flipped two words and he comes, like, you know,
with some energy over to me, like don't flip those words.
(30:04):
And I'm like, did I flip the words? He's like,
it's not funny that way. I'm like, okay, Michael, okay,
all right, we're.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Really gonna I mean, look, the guy's brilliant, no Joe,
and he gets comedy and he comes from like sitcoms
and like bam bam bamb WHI it's all about this.
So I get that. Yeah, And there's also some situations
where there's room to have.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Fun and he's more relaxed now. But I mean we
never add love. Like everyone's like, were you guys out
of living? We're like, no, we're still not ad living okay,
But but that's what I remember about that day from
him and then from you. We're in the trailer, we're
running our lines, can make them perfect, right and snippy snappy,
snippy snappy, and you come in, you know, later, because
obviously we come in early to get ready and we're
all in the like you know, amped up mode of
(30:49):
like pre pre scene, right, and you say something. We
say like, hey, you know, Mark, do you want to
run some lines? And you're like, oh, I don't really
know them? And we're like, no, yeah something You're like
I'm not sure, I'm one hundred percent something like that.
Not not like totally. We were very scared to me. Look,
it could have been, and I think about this now,
it could have been, because like it's a lot to
(31:10):
walk in, you know, to another show, another you know,
group of people's show.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
But it's so funny. It's so great to hear this
story because I am someone who now is so prepared.
I know my lines. I on I Believe Royal Pains
with medical terminology for eight years. I had it down
and I pride myself on that, and I get a
little disappointed when people don't because it's just like I
(31:39):
even was on Instagram today and Tom Hanks was giving
some advice about like show up on time, which means
a little early, know your lines, and then give that
extra perspective that only you can add to it. That's
nice and like it's not much more complicated than that.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I think that's well put. I think that's really I mean,
this is nineteen ninety nine, right, so whatever was going
on with you whatever. But also so what happened was
and this is the part that I remember the best.
So we were kind of like we were at that point.
I mean, I don't know that I felt that we
were hit, but we were definitely a group like we
were in it, you know what I'm saying. And we
were working all night, working.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Around in the streets of New York. Was different for
you guys than just a bunch of girls.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah, we were. We were feeling that and we were
I don't know if we felt the sh but we
felt like we felt like we had to really work hard,
do you know what I mean? Like we were like
because we had to film and film and film and
all night long and getting those heels and look great.
And you know what I'm saying, Like we were we
were in it, and we were like, but you.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Were the Beatles of New York at the time.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
We didn't feel like it, but maybe we were. I
don't know, you, I don't know. I don't know. We
felt like it. So let's say the rest of.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
The story like the Sopranos.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
But it was cool and oh sure we were made.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Every girl was obsessed and every guy was away.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Which is nice. I don't know that we were aware
of that fully at that point. I feel like third
season is when that clicked for us, got it because
we got nominated for an Emmy, which we never, never,
never thought would happen. And that was when we were like,
people are watching because no one ever talked about numbers
at HBO, right knowing it wasn't like beingond a network
show where Monday morning you would hear, you know what
(33:21):
the overnights were, whatever the heck? You do know what
I'm saying, right, But no, it wasn't like that. So
anyway you come in, some version of this conversation happens
where we were like, oh, and then you said something.
In my mind, maybe I'm wrong, But this is the
reason that I remember this is because it was kind
of a watershed moment for me, and we had a
conversation amongst ourselves about it later that we had to
(33:44):
be more considerate about our guest stars, especially the men folk,
because you guys are coming in as the guest stars
kind of like as the girls, you know, which is
not normal back then, especially right right, Like it wasn't
like a regulation.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
As the girls who traditionally been visiting the more male dominated.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Shows the girl time role. Yeah, like the one one
episode girlfriend roll right for sure, but it was flipped.
So you come in, We're like, you want to run
some Liz, and you're like, oh, I don't know if
I'm a hundred, which could have just been you also like,
I'm sure all of us were.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I like hearing it, and I was. I was relaxed
at one time in my life about being prepared and not.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
So then you say something like, I mean, are we
going to have to do it exactly like the script?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
And we were like did.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Something like that, right, and all of us were just like, ah, yes,
And then it seemed like maybe we had created a
bit of tension in the trailer, Jered. I mean that's
how I felt with me, Yeah, that we hadn't maybe
been the nicest I'm.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Saying, yeah, sure, I felt you.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Just seemed possibly quiet, you know, not like stand offish.
But and also you weren't over with us physically in
the scene. You were running past us, right, yes, So
it's not like we got to kind of bond with you.
We didn't. You were just like running past and we
all look at you like, well, who's that? You know, Miranda,
you know what I'm saying, like, oh, who's that? Rather
than us being in the scene with you.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I remember having the best time.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Oh good.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I'm on the reservoir where I trained free all and
wrestling seasons as a high school kid in New York,
and I ran into people I knew, Like, as I'm
waiting around on the side of the reservoir, friends running
said Hi. It was just like it was so much
(35:38):
more casual than I had imagined in my head, Like
this is just oh, I'm just shooting sex in the
city and there's some cameras and these guys are nice.
It was intimidating because it wasn't as like as legendary
as it would become good. It was still new. But
I just on something as cool is that makes you
(36:01):
think you're cool for second?
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I mean, look, especially when we're all young like that,
I mean, you definitely feel you know, you're looking for validation,
like yes, I am going to be able to do
this career.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
I mean yes for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, yeah good. I'm so relieved that you didn't remember us.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Mean, I'm such a pleaser on a set. Yeah, And
so to hear like I feel like the way your
story is painting me is like it's getting give them.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
I mean, I wouldn't go that far. I just felt
like I just felt like you were because you know,
I had a friend too, I mean I had numerous
actors actor friends more here in LA and I remember
we'd done the first season and I was just so
devoted to the show, right. I was just so like,
we're going to keep going. It's going to be amazing.
And luckily I was right. And I remember this guy
was like, well, you're not gonna watch it, are you?
(36:51):
And I was like, yeah, I can't wait. I'm just
waiting for them to send the VHR, you know, tape
bjs whatever it was. And he was like, no, no,
you don't watch your television. You know, you just make
the television for a check. You don't watch your television.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I was like, no, no, no, who said this.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I'm not going to say. Okay, he would know if
he's listening, but he's probably not right. But it was
an actor, okay. And I remember just thinking like, well,
that's not what we're doing, like we care.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
You know. I watch every episode of stuff I'm in, right,
I mean there may be things that I missed because
it was just a small part or something I didn't
wasn't excited about. Yes, I don't know, but like always, yes.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yes, I agree, I agree, But I also think there's
just different types of actors. And some people have a
hard time watching themselves. Like Sarah Jessica. It doesn't mean
she doesn't care, it means she cares too much. It's
hard for her to watch because she judges herself. She
can't get over judging herself.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, watch for me. It's like it takes three viewings
to actually watch it with any objectivity whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Impressive.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Like the first time, you're just watching yourself, like they
keep what they cut, what do I look like? Then
the second time maybe you have a sense of the
general story. And then the third time, like I could
probably say, oh, not the best choice, Oh that was cute.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I like that. I would not watch myself three times
because I would definitely go down a rabbit hole probably,
but rewatching one time now, many many many years later
is just pure enjoyment. Yeah, pure enjoyment. There's so much
time and space and we're such little children, and luckily
we're all still working together, which is wonderful. So we
(38:28):
have that kind of solid, you know, thing that you
can then look back on and see all the things
you know. And mostly I'm just I mean, occasionally all
think like I was bad in that moment, you know
what I'm saying, Like you do, But mostly it's we're crazy.
We would not be actors, absolutely, we're curus.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
But do you ever do you ever bring things you
see in doing research for the podcast to the other
castmates and oh you members?
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yes, are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Can you give me? Like I have to.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Stop from texting them every single day about it because
I think I might be driving them crazy. I mean,
I've had them on. There's more to come on. But
you know, there's things that none of us remember. Like
there's this there's an episode in the first season where
Carrie levitates off Fifth Avenue. What the heck? Sarah's like, huh,
I'm you don't remember. She goes, why, I remember one
(39:22):
time we had this kind of like Jerry rigged kind
of platform. I'm like, that must have been it, because
obviously we had no actual you know, harness or you
know what I'm saying. But somehow she lifted up. I
don't know how it happened. She doesn't know how. I'm
sure it was five am, right, which influences everything. But yeah, no,
we have. But the great part is to try to
weave the memories together because we all remember different things,
(39:45):
you know, So that's the fun part. I just want
to know because you're a married person, right, You're a
successful married person, which i'd like to say, congratulations. Not easy.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
You're doing is not easy.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Thank you. It's definitely not easy, but you know, it
is what it is, and I love it and it
is what it is. Oh my god, thank you so much.
I'm just trying to keep it all going. You know
what I'm saying. Isn't that what we are? You are here,
we are thank you, We are.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Here getting to your kids things.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah, look at you hopefully hopefully knock on the wood. Yeah,
this is what I think, and I'm curious your thoughts.
I had so many moments of watching this thinking nothing
has changed about being single in our world, and I
don't know if it's because I come from the generation
of us, right, I'm not a younger person, and I
do feel like younger people possibly have more freedom about
(40:39):
being single. Are you I I'm fully.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Is that what you're asking me?
Speaker 2 (40:45):
No, No, I'm saying, are you I was going to say,
are you crazy? Because like the apps have made dating
so different? I think, yeah, like there's such a different attitude,
there's such a swipe mentality, right, and like I'm not
gonna take the risk of even five minutes of sitting
awkwardly with is interesting if I don't have to. But
(41:07):
you're doing it, so I don't.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I'm not doing it. No, I'm not on those apps man.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
No, okay, I mean, if it's the same, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
This is the thing that I think is confusing, so
We've had all these changes, right, like the apps, I
fundamentally changed things, right, But I'm not really in the
dating pool, right, I've got my kids. I don't understand
that right to me because I'm I'm from our group,
right like, I didn't. I didn't make the change. I
don't know how to put it. I didn't roll with it,
(41:37):
you know what I'm saying. I was paying sen to
the kids. I wasn't name about dating, you know. So
then I was just like, what the heck is this?
Like strangers? Yeah, I mean I don't understand, like really,
like I'm going to talk to a stranger and then
potentially meet up with them, Like what, But.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
You've never done it now, You've never swiped or looked a.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Friend a single guy friend. I was like, please show
it to me because we haven't.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Even fancy one.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
No, he showed me the riot because he's fancy. But no,
I'm scared to death, Mark, I don't understand. I'm shy.
I know it seems weird to say that because I'm
sitting here easily with you, but you're lovely. But and
I'm an actor, and people think that actors can't possibly
be shy. But we really can, because you have a character,
you know, you're you have like a general.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Why many of just got into it.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
That's why I got into it. So like the idea
that I would be just like swiping up people's faces
with weird descriptions and then just be like, well that
one looks nice and then texting with them or whatever.
I don't understand, and then everyone would know if you
like them or not. I don't get that. And then
you might meet for coffee with a total stranger who
could be a psychopath.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yeah, and you might have already done like sexting and
weird things before, but is that.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
What they do? For sure? Well that's crazy. Sure, I
don't understand at all.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
But maybe what you're also out of order. Maybe what
you're ahead saying is that like the loneliness or the
feelings that are evoked by Samantha sitting at that table, yes,
our time immemorial, like.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
They are so relatable.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
From Jane Austin on through to today. Women or men
want companionship and love and it's hard when you can't
find your.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Pubble well, for for sure, don't get me started on that.
But what I will say also is like I really
related to Carrie, I would say, but like when so
so Sarah Jessica carry you know, she gets this picture taken,
like she's late and she's smoking in this photographer her friend.
She's living her life. You can't prepare. But they know.
They don't even catch her.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
They they zero in on it.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
They go for it. You know what I'm saying in
the way that the press is like now, right and
for the whole time that I've been in the press,
thirty years of this insanity where you have to like
be so careful and they'll make you look bad, and
they want to make you look bad, and they're like,
why is Kristen single? No, no, no, no, no, you know,
I know it's okay, but I mean this is our world, right,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
You are like, I know why you wouldn't be on
the apps because you're the catch of catches.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
We are kind. That is so sweet, That is so sweet.
I'm not on the apps because I think I would
pick a crazy person. That's why I'm Okay, I can
find them. Okay, that's a good reasoning, isn't it. Isn't it? See,
this is the things that I've learned, right, Like you
do learn over time, you know, I know myself. I
know myself. I know what's interesting. Crazy people are interesting.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Yes, right, yes, so that's why I'm not watching every
crime docuseries on TV.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
See exactly right. I've wanted to ask you about your show.
Is your show going to come back?
Speaker 2 (44:42):
There was an announcement about it. It's still like fighting
its way to the moment of official green light, but
is really in process. And I saw things and I
think it's amazing and it would be so great for
Royal Pains to come back in a new form. Yeah,
we shall see incredible.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
And then what about aren't they also redoing Practical Magic
or doing it next they are? Are you not in that?
Speaker 2 (45:08):
I don't want to ruin it for anybody who's about
to see it, but I will because you know, it's
a side character. I got hit by a truck and killed.
But they're witches.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
So all I'm saying to Sandy and the whole team
Practical Magic, yeah, is like, hey, Dan East and Stocker Channing,
just do a little you know, focus and the kid
is back.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
On the screen.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Yeah. That Isn't it fascinating how things are coming back.
I mean, I'm like, on the one hand, I know,
sometimes people criticize that, But on the other hand, I
feel like our business is in free fall and that
there's an ip that people know why not?
Speaker 2 (45:40):
But you know, in the discussion about the Royal Pains reboot,
one of my partners in it was like, there's never
there's no good example of a six and isn't your
show the best example of a successful reboot?
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Well, this is the thing.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
First, a reboot.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
We don't like to call it a reboot becauseuation great, right,
But like, couldn't we say if you had to find
an example of a of a reinvention, it's a reinvention,
it's a rebirth.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yes, that is as good as you can get.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I think you're really kind. I'm just going to be
totally honest and saying not everyone would agree with that.
That's fine, that's fine, screw I'm like whatever, but we're
doing it.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Can you think of a better one?
Speaker 1 (46:22):
No? I mean, I don't know, You're there's.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Lots of reroots on the table, right, but I haven't
seen a lot of great ones.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
And we have continued and we we live on. And
that's really what this third. We're just putting the third
on the air. It's awesome, and you know, to us,
we're women in our fifties now, right, so like you know,
we're pushing this some different boundaries that are not that
easy to get someone to say that you get to
push now, right, so that another shelf isn't accomplished.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
If anybody would be allowed, it would.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Be you, because that's exactly that's why we have to
do it.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Because we're like, we got to show them that it
can be done.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
And even though that's still young, you don't look like
you look like you.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
That's only because I'm having a good time. But thank you, Okay,
you guys, this has been the absolute most fun with
Mark Fuerstein. He has been a dream guest, has been.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
A dream to be here.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
I am so happy to see you again.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Me too.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
And let's not let it be so long until we
see each other again. I know, And I will have
to say I will keep my eyes peeled because frankly,
you're the catch of the century.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
So just just in my travels, in my travels, I
say that you let me know, see I need a referral.
You know what I'm trying to say. I trust, Yeah,
I can't be people.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Yeah, who know you?
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Thank you, Mark. I appreciate your thoughtfulness.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
With that aside. This was so fun. You're so good
and you thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
And you're so great on that episode. So I'm just
happy that we got to be together because I like
to really be able to kind of rehash and reimmortalize
the amazing episodes that we did way back there.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
And I just want to say playing a guy was
so bad in bed that Miranda had to fake her
orgasms was so great for my single life at the time.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
I really wanted to and I didn't know how it
was because you could surprise people.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
It was a bummer when a girl and I would
hook up and then she say, oh, so it was typecasting.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
That's buddy, that's really fready. Well, it all worked out
for you, So I'm glad. All right, your joy
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
you a Charlotte? All right, you guys, I have the
incredible Mark bursting. Did I do all right?
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Nailed that?
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I really could tell, I really could tell. This is
the thing. If you look at how your name is spelled,
it is confusing, but if you just think about it.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It's a lot of valid.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Right you look at them short spear, don't look at them,
just think about how it sounds. Right. So that's what
I did, Hannah, and I great job. Thank you, thank you,
thank you, so you all. I'm sure know who Mark
is for many reasons, but our reason that we have
him today is that he was in an incredible episode
called They Shoot Single People, Don't They filmed in in
(00:48):
nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Right, Oh my god, looking at yourself, I mean this
must happen to every guest on your show. But looking
at yourself at that time, I mean, on the one hand, yes,
so young and god the skin is young and vibrant
and unaffected by cracks of life and age. But I'm
(01:13):
also quite thick and meat heady to myself.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Oh you look adorably, very handsome, but kind of real,
like a guy and.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
By the way, another weird thing that my wife and
I both noticed watching it last night. I have an
incredibly hairy chest. It's gone. I don't have that hair.
Can I show you now? Yes, I'm gonna why not?
(01:44):
Why can't.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
So much less hairy then in the show?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Like a gorilla?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I don't know, so you didn't.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
It's a fascinating thing about boy. And there's a chance
we would do a podcast for the medical show that
I did called Royal Pain. Yes, so in that we
can explore where my ear went. Fantastic, It'll be like
a crossover episode of podcasts.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'm going to listen to that. So were you aware
previous to watching rewatching this old episode that that there
was this absence of hair?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Was I aware that I would see how hairy I was?
Or you'd like you forgot? I've had this phantom feeling like, wait,
I think it's much better up there than it used
to be. And this was confirmation.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Really funny, really funny. I like that a lot. I mean,
it is really funny the things that you notice when
you look at your younger self.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
You know, friend, there were so many things about the episode.
So I want you to guide me but like, believe me,
I have things to say.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Oh I can't wait. I'm sure I have a lot
of things to say to you. I have to say.
My overall gist of rewatching the show is that it's
all much much better than I remember.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Great.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I remember thinking that it took us a long time
to get ourselves like really together. But when I look back,
I'm like, no, no, it's fantastic. Like sometimes there's funny
production things, like when this episode starts and it has
the stars, it has like the twinkling lights and the
stars to me is so charming.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yes, it is sweet, so sweet.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
It's so not you know, HD blah blah for a
whatever the heck blah blah blah. No, it's adorable.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
And then there's some really funny camera anglis. This episode,
by the way, is directed by John David Coles, who.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I've worked with on other things, many other things. He
was the first time, and then we would do an
entire series called Three Pounds, which I did with Stanley
Tucci about brain surgeons. He played the like bad bedside
manner guy. I was the good bedside manner guy. It
was like ahead of its time. It was a great
show created by Peter Aco. Okay, and in dearra Varma,
(03:53):
a great actions from England was wonderful on it and
it just was too like specific niche for that time
where you want just like general medical practice, but like
in this time, it was like there was a question
which asked the question, an episode which asked the question
does the brain create God? Or does God create the brain? Wow?
(04:17):
And like we went into some deep Wow.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
I missed the show. I want to look at us.
I love you and Stanley too.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
She Oh, I loved him. He was amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
He's amazing.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
He had us all to his house in upstate New
York or yes, South Salem, somewhere like that and made
us all fresh pizza in his pizza ovens.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Oh, how incredible. So I have to ask you because
you just reminded me. Do you remember and I don't know.
I feel like this was after this episode. Do you
remember running to me into me in the Hampton's.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yes, I do, I don't remember where it was.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Well, my best friend Lisa, her mom Dorothy Cornblith not
that everyone needs.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
To know that she's a dear friend of our family.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Right, So Lisa, I was out there because at that time.
I don't even know if I rented a house. I
think I just went to Dorothy's house. Okay, because why not.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, if you know somebody the house George from this
episode and many others, you just take one, you go
with it.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
At least it would come out. And we had no
children then, so we would just like have fun on
the weekends and it was really fun. And then there's
like some like a cocktail part of your dinner. Park
can't remember and there you were, right, so you are
still like your family's still out there. You still go.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Oh, yes, I mooch off my parents who rent a
house in Bridgehampton, and my brother and his wife own
one in Sagaponic. Oh, fantastic. It's the gangs all there
for like some of July and August fun. It'll be great.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Yeah, when we work we go out as well. Still amazing,
like every other summer, which is perfect for the kids
because they love it, love it, they love it. Okay,
let's talk about first of all, what I love to
ask my actor friends to come on, which is so exciting.
Tell me about your life when you got this part.
What do you remember?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Oh my god, I it was nineteen ninety nine, I
had us. Okay, So I came to New York in
I want to say ninety four, after drama school voiceovers
agent pretty quickly got an agent, was doing regional theater,
(06:14):
did a play called a Dibick at the Hartford Stage Company,
did something at Act and then in ninety seven, ninety six,
ninety seven, I was doing sitcoms. So Sex and the
City was, Oh my god, I'm just remembering the story
that I very much want to tell you about being
on Sex and City, but I will.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I have a story also, I can tell you, yes,
maybe the stories go together.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
It feels like we're going to be telling each other things. Yeah.
So I got some sitcoms when I first came out
to LA. One was called Caroline and the City, and
one was called Fired Up with Lea Remoni and Sharon Lawrence.
And then I came back to New York, was on
(06:58):
Broadway in a play called Last Night at bally Who
and somewhere that oh you did, yes, okay, Well, Paul
Rudd had been in it originally, and then for that
summer of like ninety seven I was I replaced.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Him with Jessica.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Jessica heck, okay, well then awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Amazing, that's a win, what a great thing.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
It was an amazing play. It was so great great.
It was really good to be in that and be
on Broadway and go to Sarties every night special and
my father was like leading various contingents from my life
in New York to come. So it was like a
bar mitzvah every night after the play. It was one
night it was the building, one night it was the synagogue,
(07:45):
one night it was my school. I had teachers come.
But which is leading into my Sex and the City store,
because now I got this role of josh ophthalmologist on
Sex and the City. And while my sitcoms were to
do and real work in TV, this was the first
time I was on a cool show that was like,
(08:06):
I mean, come on, Sex and the City was.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
At this point, I don't really remember.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
That, are you kidding? After one, it was everywhere and
HBO was just hitting some stride. Yes of course, and so.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yes, okay, very cool, cool, Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
So my father is feeling that to the extent he
can be aware of what's cool, and he's telling everyone
that I just mentioned in the building, the the school,
the Snega and everybody. Mark's gonna be on Sex and
the City. You gotta watch Mark on Sunday night on
Sex and the City. So now all of our Upper
(08:47):
east Side New York is aware. And the show comes
on and we're watching, and there's the scene with Miranda
where she says, Josh, you know where the clitterish is?
And I say, she goes, it's two inches from what
you think is the second the episode is over, Rabbi
Einseidler is calling my father, Go Harvey, how could you
(09:08):
tell me to watch this show. I'm watching with my
daughter Sarah and Rifka. It's horrible this, Thank Clintoris, what
is happening? I'm so sorry, rap Harold. Anyway, it was
my father. You know what you wish for.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
I understand, I understand. I feel bad for your dad
that he that he didn't grasp the entirety of the situation.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
The sex part of the title didn't hit him until
he didn't really he heard the word taurus.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
I get it, I get it. It was not a
word you heard a lot on television. I still don't
think it is a word you hear a lot on television,
but I could be wrong. Because there's so much now.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I don't know, It's it's hard to say. I mean,
does is there been any show there's dying for sex,
which is maybe.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
It's true, but I haven't heard only one episode They
didn't talk about no nothing. It's it's so funny. As
I was watching it, I was thinking to myself, this
is still an issue, this stuff, you know, faking orgasms, right,
where's the clarist? These are still these are still things
that need to be discussed, yes, which is kind of
(10:13):
insane because that's like twenty five almost twenty eight years ago.
Ye crazy.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I mean, I guess what could have happened in that
twenty five years, like better sex education? Yea, fathers sending
your sons down and going this is what you have
to do.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Wouldn't it be helpful?
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I mean, I may have a very interesting conversation with
my son Frisco tonight.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
I think it would be great. Frisco's a great name.
I mean, look, I have a son he's seven, so
I really haven't had to contemplate this yet, thank goodness,
because it is daunting, right, it is daunting. But the
thing that I think could have changed that obviously went
kind of the opposite way is if you think about
the ascension of porn, right, because now this is where
(10:56):
kids apparently are seeing things. It's not a good source. Okay,
it's very misleading and no one's explaining anything. It's just
the mayhem.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
So how would you go about educating young men? Right?
Speaker 1 (11:09):
They got to watch sex.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
So they won't fall into the josh trap?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Right, well, the josh trap. First of all, let's just
talk about how incredibly adorable you are. I mean, because
this is one of the things I've been seeing in
the beginning of the show. Especially the men sometimes are
just awful, like just like.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
You mean in terms of their behavior or yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
The storylines, the storylines, I don't mean the performance at all,
because usually they're just I mean, who knows. I've been
trying to get Gabrielle mocked on here to explain how
he felt, because he has to play this guy in
the first season who is secretly filming himself having sex
with models and tells Carrie that it's his work of art.
But it was secret, right, and he's just bragging to
(11:49):
her and it's all the girls from the pages of Vogue.
It's like, so she no, she smokes a cigarette.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And she's yeah, she's like interesting hearing a little more. Yeah, serious.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
It was nineteen ninety eight, right, and it was a
different time, and you know, I talked to Kennis Buschanel
about that also, saying like where were these stories come from?
She said, Oh, they were real stories. People would come
up and volunteer them to me because they wanted me
to write them in a column, which is very interesting
to model all of that over and how we as
women were just kind of used to it, right, because
it's not even a big deal.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
In that episode horrible, I mean, there was this scandal
in France.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I don't know if you don't even I don't know,
so awful talk.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
About like that situation times.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
A million, horrific and incredibly brave women. We're not even
going to go deeply into that because that's a different show,
but I mean that's a good example of like things
gone horribly right.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Just the most extreme example proof like just how awful
it would be. Can tell that story without the judgment
that is like warranted.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Absolutely, And that's the part when I look back and
it's so interesting, like as a time capsule, and people
debate a lot about Big and Carrie at this point,
and I've Sara Jessica's been on the record, and I
understand her point of view, and largely what she's saying
is if you think about the time and then the
generation that raised Carrie and bag right in us as well,
(13:12):
but we're raising the young people and so now things
are different, right, So now we know all these words
about you know, gas lighting, bread crumbing, when you just
leave enough tidbits to keep someone interested, but you're not
really there. You're withholding like we have all these words now, right.
We didn't even ever talk like that in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
No, no, But is bread crumbing a good word for
what happens to Samantha in this episode?
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Definitely?
Speaker 2 (13:34):
When the guy keeps mentioning we we we're gonna go.
We're gonna go to the Hamptons, Yes, we And then
she's sitting alone at the table with an actor who
I love, who I know.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
You do you know the waiter? The waiter, Oh my god,
he's so sweet.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
A Jay Mayita.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Wow, he's so guy.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
He plays Roger's father in Royal Pains. I'm saying rog
like anybody that's okay. But anyway, someone there was a
great character named Divia played by Rashmash. She married a
character named Raj and a Jay Meta.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Is his dad?
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Is her dad? Sorry? Is her dad?
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Cool?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And he was?
Speaker 1 (14:09):
He was so lovely. Samantha just breaks your heart sitting
there by herself.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Yes, it was a little odd how close they were
so quickly in that little vestibule by the bathroom. Listen,
because it was like you were like, oh, this is
something's about to happen.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
That totally totally. But I think that's because Samantha is vulnerable,
which is really rare, really rare. You know that she's
like crying at a table like it was very moving
and shocking, I know. But I also think, as Candace
told us when she came back, then everybody was like
available to having sex, at least in Candace's world.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I don't personally remember it like that, but phones had
not taken over our lives.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
My phones phones. That's the thing for that scene that
you take away. She's sitting there and she's like, I
didn't have anything to distract me. I didn't have a
book or a newspaper, right, And I'm just sitting there
and I'm like, right, we didn't even have a.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Phone and she has to call her machine, right, the
machine to find out if he left a message. It's
such a different time and I'm just so glad it's
on film so the people can like to see what
it was like.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Anachronism, right, just like no young person would be like
just take out your phone.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
I know, yes, I know. And then at the end
when Carrie is sitting by herself, which I thought was
I remember none of this some episodes. I remember everything
this episode. I was like, what is going to happen?
And like when Carrie's at the end and she's got
her Petmina around her and she has her glasses, and
she's like, I did it on purpose. I'm sitting by myself.
I'm claiming this. I'm not going to distract myself.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
I was like, yes, yes, yes, yeah, but like yes
in a very profound way, because she's saying, I'm I'm
leaving myself open and bare and vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Publicly to be approached, to just be in my own space,
and that doesn't exist anymore. I know. No one sits
alone and puts their phone on their table and.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Looks without the glasses.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Me world, I know, they just go on their phone.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I know, I would be scared. I would be scared
to sit at a table, take my glasses off and
just stare into the distance. Yeah, I don't know what
would happen.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
But you know this writer Jonathan hat who talks about
our dependents on social media child psychologists and how kids
all agree if we could all agree to get rid
of certain of the apps from like Snapchat and TikTok,
they would do it like they would all like they
(16:50):
would tell the other kids would agree. No one agrees,
and therefore we just have this.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Well, I think we're going to get there. That's my feeling.
I haven't let my daughter have any social media.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
She has a phone.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Now she has no social media.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Amazing. I know, good for you.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I know, and I think it's really good for her.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Of course it is, Yeah, of course it's super. They're
like these two young girls in eighth grade at the
school we send our kids to. But this this one
dad and the one couple who have a they're like
from another era. These girls. On a Saturday night, they
go to one of their houses whose parents are artists
(17:26):
and they paint. And the eighth grader of my my
friend's daughter doesn't have a phone. At all.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
And he's like, I think I need to get you
something so I can like where you are. And she's like,
get me a flip phone.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I don't know, love her, good for her, good for her. Okay,
let's go back to the show and yourself. So you're there,
you get this cool show, your dad's all excited. Then
you get in some trouble with a rabbi.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Oh dear, yeah, wait wait, I have a thing about
this sexual aspect. Tell me because we were on that.
So I'm just going to stay on that for one
more for it, go for it. I'll never get how
comfortable Cynthia Nixon wash.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
She has no fear.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
It's crazy, like I maybe this is gonna sound chauvinistic,
like I enjoy being the actor, the guy who would
make his counterpart feel comfortable. Oh good, feel safe.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Sure she's discobing.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
In some way. We're doing intimacy stout, intimacy coordinators. Definitely
respectful but also chivalrous, all of that. And I come
in with that attitude to Cynthia Nixon and she's like
drops her tops. She's like, let's go, and I'm like, oh,
and now I'm uncomfortable. And now I'm like, would you please?
Oh make no? I was, but like I really.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Thought, she's not normal. But you got to love that
about her.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
It's very very impressive.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yes, it's very impressive. But the rest of us were
always a little bit like, oh God, what's going to happen?
Speaker 2 (18:54):
And then what about for yourself?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Oh I'm nervous, Nelly big time?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
So how would you handle that in a time when.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I didn't have to do it, didn't have to do
it a lot for a while though. We have distressed
this and I did get in some trouble. But see,
I'm not really conservative. It's a very funny and interesting thing.
This particular episode pretty conservative. But there I had more
guys in the end before I found my different husbands
than even Samantha. Really can you believe that?
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Who knew?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
I know? I know you. I wasn't even really aware.
There was a time where I was like, oh my god,
if I have to kiss another guy this week? Oh
my lord, Like you know it's hard.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Can you dish or at least just say about the
guy in this episode where that started?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
And can I tell you that I literally remember nothing terrible?
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Did that guy last more than episode?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
This one?
Speaker 2 (19:46):
Guy who just came fixed stuff and then you were like,
all right, let's see what happens. Yes, it was funny
that he was an actor deciding whether or not to
stay with acting, because.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Now he was like the least literally you're looking actor
that they've ever hired for any of us.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Well, that you've given me a perfect segue to the
most actor looking actor who appears in this episode.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Oh oh, Bradley, are you kids?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
And he is so great? Yeah, he's Bradley Cooper.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Here was like four lines. He is a member.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I remember it's so funny that he was in this
episode because I went to a Christmas party at Darren
Starr's house and there was Bradley Cooper who was at
that moment. And I don't know where it falls in
the timeline. He was the star of Kinschit and Confidential.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Wow what year was this? I mean god, because we
were his first on camera job. No, isn't that insane?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Insane?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And he has talked about it at some point on
something and said that he was really nervous and that
he couldn't drive a stick shift and they told him,
you're going to be driving a vintage Poorschief to drive
a stick shift, and they send him to driving school
and he's still messed up on the day. I'm sure
it was like four am.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Right. The shift is so hard that it was my
first experience in a car. I stripped the clutch within
a week of having it.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
For sure, and you can imagine a vintage Porsche. I'm
sure it was nervous making. I would be dying, so
I said someone else had to do it, and that
then in the take because they pull over and then
he says he's going to cigarettes. But apparently they had
to just kind of ad lib the pulling over. I
don't know. He wasn't supposed to do it like that,
but it worked. It worked, and who cares?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
It worked?
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Interesting?
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Would you have we have to believe other than maybe
silver Lining's playbook or something that. Yeah, that was the
last time we're going to see Bradley Cooper rejected like
he is.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Well, look, he is not rejected in a casual manner.
He's rejected because she's having this large existential crisis based
on this magazine cover.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
She's saying, like exclamation point, I am single, exactly exclamation point,
and I choose to be and I don't need men
to right.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
And the thing that I loved about Bradley because I
only have the vaguest memory. I don't think I ever
ran into him or whatever it was the middle of
the I I'm sure I wasn't there, and I just
remember that he was there and that I would talk
to him intermittently as his success, you know, happened like
oh my god, you know when I would see him,
but I didn't really remember the gist of the part,
and then it was in this particular episode. So I
(22:22):
think he makes a couple of really fascinating choices, even
in his very new be self right, And one of
them is when so he goes to get cigarettes. Part
of why she chooses him is that he's he's he's
I don't even know if she says good looking, he's single, heterosexual,
and he smokes. That's why she goes out of the
bar with him, which I think is very finally the
reason Bradley Cooper.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I mean there's some other reasons. Yeah, there's other reasons,
but in the young Bradley Cooper's self, I could see it,
and that's where the character carry is at. Right, And
so Stanford is left saying everyone here is homosexual even
though there's two heterosexual people like fully make it out
behind her, but whatever, and so then then Bradley, yeah,
I was like those anyway. Ben Bradley walks in and
I mean, why not, right, And he's got a cigarette,
(23:04):
so she's like yay hey, and he's you know, dreamy.
So then they leave there in the Porsche. He gets
out to get the smokes and of course sees this
magazine where she does not look the best of herself,
and it says, uh, is it single and fabulous? Question mark? Right,
that's the point rather than single and fabulous? With that
explamation boy which she.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
On how she looks and weather or that she's.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Been up all night. It's all my fault. I made
her have more drinks. But we'll get to that in
a second. So then he comes he comes back, and
the window is up of the of the convertible Porsche,
and he takes the magazine and puts it right in
her face, and like a kid, says, is that you?
It's the most interesting choice because he really could have
gone negative there, you know, but he doesn't. He's like,
(23:50):
is that you? It's not necessarily like he thinks it's horrible. Right,
it's just really in her face, you know what I'm
saying that like confronting this perception of being single, you know,
and maybe that's bad. And we've been talking about it
the whole episode, right, And that's when she says, if
I go home with him, I am going home with
him to prove exclamation mark, but I will actually be
(24:10):
proving question mark, right, and I'm not going to do that.
And then he goes, I'm not going to let you out,
which he also says in the most adorable way, which
could also have been kind of sinister, right, right, it
was a little sinister, but his choice there was super interesting.
Like he doesn't go sexy at all. He just goes like,
I'm not going to let you out. Well, he's very charming, okay,
(24:31):
and he seems like he might be playing a little drunk,
like when he gets out of the car in his
leather pants, he looks a little drunk, you know, like
high on the night. Whatever.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
It's all very fascinating, and I thought we could have
had a whole episode of them, you know what I mean.
But I am also that was it. It wasn't even
a whole episode right, But I also really would have
loved a whole episode of you and the other oh
oh my god. And that's what I started saying too earlier,
is that some of the guys, especially first season, you're
just like ow ick ew. Part of it is the storyline,
(25:01):
but part of it is just like you can't see
the positive and what I loved about what you did,
And I don't know if this was conscious, and I'm
so curious how you felt. You're just adorably like wanting
to please and it's almost like like what he like
the look on your face when she tells you that
all these other women must have been faking it, and
you're just like really trying to think through, Oh my god,
(25:23):
were they were they faking it? With it like it's
so adorable?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Oh thank you? Well, I just I just took what
was written very seriously and that this is this guy's
a doctor and if he's going to if his skill
set is lacking, he is going to learn, just like
he did with medicine. Sure, but the fun of it
(25:47):
for me was knowing that she's faking it as an actor, Yeah,
that it's only held in starker relief by a guy
who thinks he's There was one ad lib that I'm.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
I was, I was, I was proud of tell us.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
At the very last moment of the episode, you know,
I guess Samantha is a Samantha Miranda, Carrie is saying
in voiceover, and not much was happening uptown, and Carrie's
giving the performance of her I.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Mean, uh, Miranda, Miranda's giving.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
The performance of her life. And I'm behind whatever.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, yeah, that's funny for camera.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, and I'm like, oh oh yeah. And then at
my moment of climax, I yell, I'm a manble just
stepping into how pathetic he is.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
That's so cute because funny in his mind he thinks
he just nailed it totally. But that's what's so adorable.
And she's so not she's so funny on her side
because she's in front of him. You can't see your face.
It's very funny. I thought that that John did a
(27:12):
great directing job of this episode.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
He's a great director, like a real stalwart.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Amazing and he does some fun like he do. You
remember in the beginning when we're out dancing, which we'll
talk about in a second, because I'm not in order
and he does these funny camera things. He then comes
back later on when I don't know if I take
a drug or something, meaning Charlotte, but I have this
trippy dancing. I don't know if we just called him
when we had dancing or whatever, it seems like we did.
(27:39):
And I have this trippy dancing that I do. But
maybe next season. And I can't remember what leads to this,
but something under the lane.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Of sex and City was no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
It wasn't that. It was Charlotte being uptight and then
Charlotte in some way having an alternate experience.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Carry back and like you're the one saying, let's come on.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
We never with the drinking, yeah, I know, which is
very unusual, too, very unusual. And I remember all that.
But we're gonna talk about that a second, because I
want to tell you my story that I remember. Okay,
so you come, it's your first day. Now, I don't know,
did you go to a readthrough or anything like that?
Do you remember?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Okay, I know that we always tried to have read throughs,
but at a certain point it got really hard with
the you know, the schedule and then the new people
you know, and whether you're free or not free. So
some people remember the read throughs like vividly like a theater.
It's almost like a theater level read through because Michael
Patrick especially looks at it like that, you know, like
an old school read through, right, where like if that
(28:40):
joke doesn't land in the read through, that joke gets cut,
which I'm continually trying to explain to my potent children,
like please act in the read through because they're you know, young,
and they would like to be very real and I'm like,
your jokes are going to get cut, so you need
to do it up right, okay, smart? Yeah, and they
look at me like I'm insane.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
It's a great it's a great thank you advice because
it's like Hollywood, you're always selling always, like gotta always
be in a pitch, in a development meeting, whatever it is, like,
don't let it sag because they'll just go, you know what,
I've lost all enthusias.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, and I just think the young people idea, right,
I don't think they know this, you know, And I
mean they are young, so yeah, I mean, and I
am there.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
They're paid, so they.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Are getting paid. But I just want their stuff to stay,
you know, too, just for self selfish reasons. I want
them to have good stuff. Anyway. Sometimes maybe they listen occasionally,
I don't know. But anyway, so you did never read through.
So I think that was your first day. And the
three of us are in the trailer, and in the
trailer what we would do is we would run our
lines because Michael Patrick expected us to have our lines perfect.
(29:41):
Oh hell yeah perfect. And on this particular day I
remember him, we were, you know, going around that one
section with the fence and I'm stretching or whatever, and
I had some line. I don't remember exactly what the
line was. I should have paid more attention whenever you watch,
but it's like something something something something something something. And
I flipped two words and he comes, like, you know,
with some energy over to me, like don't flip those words.
(30:04):
And I'm like, did I flip the words? He's like,
it's not funny that way. I'm like, okay, Michael, okay,
all right, we're.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Really gonna I mean, look, the guy's brilliant, no Joe,
and he gets comedy and he comes from like sitcoms
and like bam bam bamb WHI it's all about this.
So I get that. Yeah, And there's also some situations
where there's room to have.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Fun and he's more relaxed now. But I mean we
never add love. Like everyone's like, were you guys out
of living? We're like, no, we're still not ad living okay,
But but that's what I remember about that day from
him and then from you. We're in the trailer, we're
running our lines, can make them perfect, right and snippy snappy,
snippy snappy, and you come in, you know, later, because
obviously we come in early to get ready and we're
all in the like you know, amped up mode of
(30:49):
like pre pre scene, right, and you say something. We
say like, hey, you know, Mark, do you want to
run some lines? And you're like, oh, I don't really
know them? And we're like, no, yeah something You're like
I'm not sure, I'm one hundred percent something like that.
Not not like totally. We were very scared to me. Look,
it could have been, and I think about this now,
it could have been, because like it's a lot to
(31:10):
walk in, you know, to another show, another you know,
group of people's show.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
But it's so funny. It's so great to hear this
story because I am someone who now is so prepared.
I know my lines. I on I Believe Royal Pains
with medical terminology for eight years. I had it down
and I pride myself on that, and I get a
little disappointed when people don't because it's just like I
(31:39):
even was on Instagram today and Tom Hanks was giving
some advice about like show up on time, which means
a little early, know your lines, and then give that
extra perspective that only you can add to it. That's
nice and like it's not much more complicated than that.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I think that's well put. I think that's really I mean,
this is nineteen ninety nine, right, so whatever was going
on with you whatever. But also so what happened was
and this is the part that I remember the best.
So we were kind of like we were at that point.
I mean, I don't know that I felt that we
were hit, but we were definitely a group like we
were in it, you know what I'm saying. And we
were working all night, working.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Around in the streets of New York. Was different for
you guys than just a bunch of girls.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeah, we were. We were feeling that and we were
I don't know if we felt the sh but we
felt like we felt like we had to really work hard,
do you know what I mean? Like we were like
because we had to film and film and film and
all night long and getting those heels and look great.
And you know what I'm saying, Like we were we
were in it, and we were like, but you.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Were the Beatles of New York at the time.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
We didn't feel like it, but maybe we were. I
don't know, you, I don't know. I don't know. We
felt like it. So let's say the rest of.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
The story like the Sopranos.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
But it was cool and oh sure we were made.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Every girl was obsessed and every guy was away.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Which is nice. I don't know that we were aware
of that fully at that point. I feel like third
season is when that clicked for us, got it because
we got nominated for an Emmy, which we never, never,
never thought would happen. And that was when we were like,
people are watching because no one ever talked about numbers
at HBO, right knowing it wasn't like beingond a network
show where Monday morning you would hear, you know what
(33:21):
the overnights were, whatever the heck? You do know what
I'm saying, right, But no, it wasn't like that. So
anyway you come in, some version of this conversation happens
where we were like, oh, and then you said something.
In my mind, maybe I'm wrong, But this is the
reason that I remember this is because it was kind
of a watershed moment for me, and we had a
conversation amongst ourselves about it later that we had to
(33:44):
be more considerate about our guest stars, especially the men folk,
because you guys are coming in as the guest stars
kind of like as the girls, you know, which is
not normal back then, especially right right, Like it wasn't
like a regulation.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
As the girls who traditionally been visiting the more male dominated.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Shows the girl time role. Yeah, like the one one
episode girlfriend roll right for sure, but it was flipped.
So you come in, We're like, you want to run
some Liz, and you're like, oh, I don't know if
I'm a hundred, which could have just been you also like,
I'm sure all of us were.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I like hearing it, and I was. I was relaxed
at one time in my life about being prepared and not.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
So then you say something like, I mean, are we
going to have to do it exactly like the script?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
And we were like did.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Something like that, right, and all of us were just like, ah, yes,
And then it seemed like maybe we had created a
bit of tension in the trailer, Jered. I mean that's
how I felt with me, Yeah, that we hadn't maybe
been the nicest I'm.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Saying, yeah, sure, I felt you.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Just seemed possibly quiet, you know, not like stand offish.
But and also you weren't over with us physically in
the scene. You were running past us, right, yes, So
it's not like we got to kind of bond with you.
We didn't. You were just like running past and we
all look at you like, well, who's that? You know, Miranda,
you know what I'm saying, like, oh, who's that? Rather
than us being in the scene with you.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I remember having the best time.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Oh good.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I'm on the reservoir where I trained free all and
wrestling seasons as a high school kid in New York,
and I ran into people I knew, Like, as I'm
waiting around on the side of the reservoir, friends running
said Hi. It was just like it was so much
(35:38):
more casual than I had imagined in my head, Like
this is just oh, I'm just shooting sex in the
city and there's some cameras and these guys are nice.
It was intimidating because it wasn't as like as legendary
as it would become good. It was still new. But
I just on something as cool is that makes you
(36:01):
think you're cool for second?
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I mean, look, especially when we're all young like that,
I mean, you definitely feel you know, you're looking for validation,
like yes, I am going to be able to do
this career.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
I mean yes for sure.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Yeah, yeah good. I'm so relieved that you didn't remember us.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Mean, I'm such a pleaser on a set. Yeah, And
so to hear like I feel like the way your
story is painting me is like it's getting give them.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
I mean, I wouldn't go that far. I just felt
like I just felt like you were because you know,
I had a friend too, I mean I had numerous
actors actor friends more here in LA and I remember
we'd done the first season and I was just so
devoted to the show, right. I was just so like,
we're going to keep going. It's going to be amazing.
And luckily I was right. And I remember this guy
was like, well, you're not gonna watch it, are you?
(36:51):
And I was like, yeah, I can't wait. I'm just
waiting for them to send the VHR, you know, tape
bjs whatever it was. And he was like, no, no,
you don't watch your television. You know, you just make
the television for a check. You don't watch your television.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
I was like, no, no, no, who said this.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I'm not going to say. Okay, he would know if
he's listening, but he's probably not right. But it was
an actor, okay. And I remember just thinking like, well,
that's not what we're doing, like we care.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
You know. I watch every episode of stuff I'm in, right,
I mean there may be things that I missed because
it was just a small part or something I didn't
wasn't excited about. Yes, I don't know, but like always, yes.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yes, I agree, I agree, But I also think there's
just different types of actors. And some people have a
hard time watching themselves. Like Sarah Jessica. It doesn't mean
she doesn't care, it means she cares too much. It's
hard for her to watch because she judges herself. She
can't get over judging herself.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, watch for me. It's like it takes three viewings
to actually watch it with any objectivity whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
Impressive.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Like the first time, you're just watching yourself, like they
keep what they cut, what do I look like? Then
the second time maybe you have a sense of the
general story. And then the third time, like I could
probably say, oh, not the best choice, Oh that was cute.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I like that. I would not watch myself three times
because I would definitely go down a rabbit hole probably,
but rewatching one time now, many many many years later
is just pure enjoyment. Yeah, pure enjoyment. There's so much
time and space and we're such little children, and luckily
we're all still working together, which is wonderful. So we
(38:28):
have that kind of solid, you know, thing that you
can then look back on and see all the things
you know. And mostly I'm just I mean, occasionally all
think like I was bad in that moment, you know
what I'm saying, Like you do, But mostly it's we're crazy.
We would not be actors, absolutely, we're curus.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
But do you ever do you ever bring things you
see in doing research for the podcast to the other
castmates and oh you members?
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yes, are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (38:59):
Can you give me? Like I have to.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Stop from texting them every single day about it because
I think I might be driving them crazy. I mean,
I've had them on. There's more to come on. But
you know, there's things that none of us remember. Like
there's this there's an episode in the first season where
Carrie levitates off Fifth Avenue. What the heck? Sarah's like, huh,
I'm you don't remember. She goes, why, I remember one
(39:22):
time we had this kind of like Jerry rigged kind
of platform. I'm like, that must have been it, because
obviously we had no actual you know, harness or you
know what I'm saying. But somehow she lifted up. I
don't know how it happened. She doesn't know how. I'm
sure it was five am, right, which influences everything. But yeah, no,
we have. But the great part is to try to
weave the memories together because we all remember different things,
(39:45):
you know, So that's the fun part. I just want
to know because you're a married person, right, You're a
successful married person, which i'd like to say, congratulations. Not easy.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
You're doing is not easy.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Thank you. It's definitely not easy, but you know, it
is what it is, and I love it and it
is what it is. Oh my god, thank you so much.
I'm just trying to keep it all going. You know
what I'm saying. Isn't that what we are? You are here,
we are thank you, We are.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Here getting to your kids things.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
Yeah, look at you hopefully hopefully knock on the wood. Yeah,
this is what I think, and I'm curious your thoughts.
I had so many moments of watching this thinking nothing
has changed about being single in our world, and I
don't know if it's because I come from the generation
of us, right, I'm not a younger person, and I
do feel like younger people possibly have more freedom about
(40:39):
being single. Are you I I'm fully.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Is that what you're asking me?
Speaker 2 (40:45):
No, No, I'm saying, are you I was going to say,
are you crazy? Because like the apps have made dating
so different? I think, yeah, like there's such a different attitude,
there's such a swipe mentality, right, and like I'm not
gonna take the risk of even five minutes of sitting
awkwardly with is interesting if I don't have to. But
(41:07):
you're doing it, so I don't.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I'm not doing it. No, I'm not on those apps man.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
No, okay, I mean, if it's the same, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
This is the thing that I think is confusing, so
We've had all these changes, right, like the apps, I
fundamentally changed things, right, But I'm not really in the
dating pool, right, I've got my kids. I don't understand
that right to me because I'm I'm from our group,
right like, I didn't. I didn't make the change. I
don't know how to put it. I didn't roll with it,
(41:37):
you know what I'm saying. I was paying sen to
the kids. I wasn't name about dating, you know. So
then I was just like, what the heck is this?
Like strangers? Yeah, I mean I don't understand, like really,
like I'm going to talk to a stranger and then
potentially meet up with them, Like what, But.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
You've never done it now, You've never swiped or looked a.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Friend a single guy friend. I was like, please show
it to me because we haven't.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Even fancy one.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
No, he showed me the riot because he's fancy. But no,
I'm scared to death, Mark, I don't understand. I'm shy.
I know it seems weird to say that because I'm
sitting here easily with you, but you're lovely. But and
I'm an actor, and people think that actors can't possibly
be shy. But we really can, because you have a character,
you know, you're you have like a general.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Why many of just got into it.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
That's why I got into it. So like the idea
that I would be just like swiping up people's faces
with weird descriptions and then just be like, well that
one looks nice and then texting with them or whatever.
I don't understand, and then everyone would know if you
like them or not. I don't get that. And then
you might meet for coffee with a total stranger who
could be a psychopath.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yeah, and you might have already done like sexting and
weird things before, but is that.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
What they do? For sure? Well that's crazy. Sure, I
don't understand at all.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
But maybe what you're also out of order. Maybe what
you're ahead saying is that like the loneliness or the
feelings that are evoked by Samantha sitting at that table, yes,
our time immemorial, like.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
They are so relatable.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
From Jane Austin on through to today. Women or men
want companionship and love and it's hard when you can't
find your.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Pubble well, for for sure, don't get me started on that.
But what I will say also is like I really
related to Carrie, I would say, but like when so
so Sarah Jessica carry you know, she gets this picture taken,
like she's late and she's smoking in this photographer her friend.
She's living her life. You can't prepare. But they know.
They don't even catch her.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
They they zero in on it.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
They go for it. You know what I'm saying in
the way that the press is like now, right and
for the whole time that I've been in the press,
thirty years of this insanity where you have to like
be so careful and they'll make you look bad, and
they want to make you look bad, and they're like,
why is Kristen single? No, no, no, no, no, you know,
I know it's okay, but I mean this is our world, right,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
You are like, I know why you wouldn't be on
the apps because you're the catch of catches.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
We are kind. That is so sweet, That is so sweet.
I'm not on the apps because I think I would
pick a crazy person. That's why I'm Okay, I can
find them. Okay, that's a good reasoning, isn't it. Isn't it? See,
this is the things that I've learned, right, Like you
do learn over time, you know, I know myself. I
know myself. I know what's interesting. Crazy people are interesting.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Yes, right, yes, so that's why I'm not watching every
crime docuseries on TV.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
See exactly right. I've wanted to ask you about your show.
Is your show going to come back?
Speaker 2 (44:42):
There was an announcement about it. It's still like fighting
its way to the moment of official green light, but
is really in process. And I saw things and I
think it's amazing and it would be so great for
Royal Pains to come back in a new form. Yeah,
we shall see incredible.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
And then what about aren't they also redoing Practical Magic
or doing it next they are? Are you not in that?
Speaker 2 (45:08):
I don't want to ruin it for anybody who's about
to see it, but I will because you know, it's
a side character. I got hit by a truck and killed.
But they're witches.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
So all I'm saying to Sandy and the whole team
Practical Magic, yeah, is like, hey, Dan East and Stocker Channing,
just do a little you know, focus and the kid
is back.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
On the screen.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Yeah. That Isn't it fascinating how things are coming back.
I mean, I'm like, on the one hand, I know,
sometimes people criticize that, But on the other hand, I
feel like our business is in free fall and that
there's an ip that people know why not?
Speaker 2 (45:40):
But you know, in the discussion about the Royal Pains reboot,
one of my partners in it was like, there's never
there's no good example of a six and isn't your
show the best example of a successful reboot?
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Well, this is the thing.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
First, a reboot.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
We don't like to call it a reboot becauseuation great, right,
But like, couldn't we say if you had to find
an example of a of a reinvention, it's a reinvention,
it's a rebirth.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yes, that is as good as you can get.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I think you're really kind. I'm just going to be
totally honest and saying not everyone would agree with that.
That's fine, that's fine, screw I'm like whatever, but we're
doing it.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Can you think of a better one?
Speaker 1 (46:22):
No? I mean, I don't know, You're there's.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Lots of reroots on the table, right, but I haven't
seen a lot of great ones.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
And we have continued and we we live on. And
that's really what this third. We're just putting the third
on the air. It's awesome, and you know, to us,
we're women in our fifties now, right, so like you know,
we're pushing this some different boundaries that are not that
easy to get someone to say that you get to
push now, right, so that another shelf isn't accomplished.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
If anybody would be allowed, it would.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Be you, because that's exactly that's why we have to
do it.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Because we're like, we got to show them that it
can be done.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
And even though that's still young, you don't look like
you look like you.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
That's only because I'm having a good time. But thank you, Okay,
you guys, this has been the absolute most fun with
Mark Fuerstein. He has been a dream guest, has been.
Speaker 2 (47:12):
A dream to be here.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (47:13):
I am so happy to see you again.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Me too.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
And let's not let it be so long until we
see each other again. I know, And I will have
to say I will keep my eyes peeled because frankly,
you're the catch of the century.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
So just just in my travels, in my travels, I
say that you let me know, see I need a referral.
You know what I'm trying to say. I trust, Yeah,
I can't be people.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Yeah, who know you?
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Thank you, Mark. I appreciate your thoughtfulness.
Speaker 2 (47:43):
With that aside. This was so fun. You're so good
and you thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
And you're so great on that episode. So I'm just
happy that we got to be together because I like
to really be able to kind of rehash and reimmortalize
the amazing episodes that we did way back there.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
And I just want to say playing a guy was
so bad in bed that Miranda had to fake her
orgasms was so great for my single life at the time.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
I really wanted to and I didn't know how it
was because you could surprise people.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
It was a bummer when a girl and I would
hook up and then she say, oh, so it was typecasting.
Speaker 1 (48:22):
That's buddy, that's really fready. Well, it all worked out
for you, So I'm glad. All right, your joy
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