November 24, 2025 • 48 mins
She's well known for hosting the podcast Not Skinny Not Fat, and now it's Amanda Hirsch's turn to analyze everything Sex and the City. Amanda's hot take: she loves baby Aiden but finds him annoying. The popular podcast host shares with Kristin why Miranda's loose behavior with her work phone is so risky.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi. I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte? Hi? Hi, everyone, welcome to Are You
a Charlotte? Today we have the amazing Amanda hersh She
is the founder, creator, and host of Not Skinny but
Not Fat, which is its whole brand, and she is
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here today to rewatch or Are We Sluts? Which air
July sixteenth in the year two thousand and It was
directed by Nicole Holofsoner written by Cindy Schupack. I like
that intro because.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I feel like you personally have been on the forefront
of kind of navigating this new world that we live
in with what appears to be ease. So I would
love just a minute, you know, kind of description like
how did you build this whole brand?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Like you were so to start when you did.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I was smart, I guess, but I think it was
just out of pure And this is like advice that
I give people is like, my passion was so there
that when I started, it wasn't even like, let me
build this brand, and you know, it was like, if
this is a hobby, if this is a I do
this after work to fill my soul, then that's what
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it is. If this gets me an opportunity or a
cool connection or I always thought like something good can
come of this, and I just kept going and going,
and this was like before TikTok or It's like, I know,
how old do I sound that it's like before TikTok.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Oh, I'm way older than you. So you know, roll
roll with it. I mean, I know you've been doing it.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
By the way, you've been doing so good content wise,
you deserve all the props.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I feel like you've been thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
I trying it.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I try, but it's not easy, right, It's not easy
because for me, obviously you remember what it used to
be like, I mean, you started it not seeing that
fat in twenty sixteen, right, is that right?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So, I mean that was It doesn't seem like that
long ago.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
But in some ways we're just moving so quickly now
in terms of the changing and for me, I've been
you know, Sex and City we started nineteen ninety eight,
which is insane, right, insane, And obviously I was acting
before that, and so just the amount of change that's
happened and me trying to just force myself to be
in the present. It's hard sometimes, you know, it's it's
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like huh.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
But on the other hand, I also feel like it's fun.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Yeah, like you get into it.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I can tell that you because I think like whether
or not somebody is helping you or forcing you or whatever,
it is, like you can tell when it's like okay,
but she gets it, like gets it, she's in it.
So you deserves the props because like even for me,
when I have to like lip sync the thing.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Oh I hurting, I mean, that's the funny thing. Yet
you have to find what you're comfortable with. And I
definitely have people helping me, and I love them very much,
and they would come, you know, with the list of
ideas and I'd just be like no, no, oh no, like,
you know, so stressed by it all. But once I
looked at it kind of almost like an acting, you know,
like a scene. You know, I have to look at
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it like that, and then it can be fun and
like the lip syncing somehow frees me up, whereas some
of the other things I'm just like, oh, so self conscious.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
You know. Well, maybe it's the actor in you, you know,
maybe it's like the let me get my lines, yep,
let me be like on on point and on time.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
But back to your question, it was just a passion.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
That's amazing that that that I'm so happy that it's
where it's at today. But I was so naive and
like go with the flow and believing that like if
you keep doing something that you love, something good will
come of it.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
So it's it was just like this really natural progression
that I'm just so happy about out. But it, you know,
when it started, like it like I think about even
you know, your show. It's like what I started by
doing was kind of watching shows and talking about that, right.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I was going to ask you what the kernel in
the beginning was like, was it just kind of like
your love for what you were watching in pop culture?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yeah, it was like let's talk about, you know, what's
going on in pop culture. But also I would like
watch a show with people, so I would like film
the screen talk about it. You know, that's cool and
kind of that was not to give myself too much credit,
but nobody really was filming their ugly TV screen at
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the time and then like flipping the camera because it
was like an old you know, it wasn't trying to
look pretty. It was just like filming a scene talking
about it and people really as you know, because even
think about rewatch podcasts, people love diving deeper talking even
if they've watched the show a million times, even if
you're late to it, because there are shows that I
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not like timely about, like oh, let's watch the show
that everybody watched five years ago.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
But it really build like this community of people that.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Like love to like dig in you know, yeah, and
I feel like it's more people than not that like
you know, all these after shows and like I said,
recap pods and like let's talk about it and let's
go back to it and let's so there's really like appetentunity.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
For that, yeah, appetite for that.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
So so it grew from there, amaze. It keeps some
kind of like changing and evolving. But my love for
like my podcast and talking to people like you is
really you know what I love because it's just so
fascinating to me, you know, loving it for so many
years and then getting to talk to the people that
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are doing it, that are in it, that lived it. Yeah,
it all comes together.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I think is really fun too.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
And I do love like it's a kind of a
really interesting, unexpected thing that you can now rewatch. I mean,
for me, I wanted to rewatch our show partly because
I felt like all these other people were, you know,
who don't have anything to do with the show, And
of course that's flattering that they even want to write.
But then I thought, well, wouldn't it be amazing for
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us to be able to kind of go back in
time and talk about what it was like, because back
in the day we didn't really I feel like for us,
we felt like we shouldn't talk about the reality of
what it was like. We just wanted it to live
in a fantasy on the screen, right, And so like
if people would say, you know, oh, isn't it fun,
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isn't it fun? We just say yes, when in fact
we're just deliriously exhausted and we've worked all night and
you know what I'm saying. But people, we felt like
we didn't want to necessarily like that we would seem
like we were complaining if we talked about the realities
of it. But I feel like now people are so
much more educated about what goes into making shows and films,
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and you know, they're interested in the details, which I
think is really cool.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
We're interested, but okay, so here's my thing. I feel
like sometimes we're too interesting, you know what I mean? Yeah,
yea yeah, because like even now, like I love like
what you're talking about personally, like the inside Baseball and
breaking the fourth wall and like all of it, like
give it to all to me, like I care about
every last detail. But I feel like there's something to
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be said about, like exactly like your time of filming
it how mysterious, how chic that we didn't know fucking
every day? Yeah yeah, yeah, And now it's like every
actor that has a fucking kissing scene needs to talk
about the intimacy coordinator and we hear about it.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
If you like the.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Intimation, if you use it, if you didn't use it,
And then, oh, you know what.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
I hate the most when like let us live in.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
The fantasy that these actors are in love and like
I don't care that you have a family and like
a husband.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Well that's a good point, that is a really good point.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
And then they go in these press tours like actors
that play lovers that in the movie you're like, oh
my god, they're in love, like you want to believe
the sex scene, you want to live it, And then
are in a interview, being like, you know, it was
so technical, That's right. I love to say it was
all so technical. You know, it's not anything like you
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think it is. You know, it's yes, And I'm like.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I are we losing something?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Are we losing something that is an integral part of
the audience experience by discussing it?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, And so there is that I've thought about this
because you can tell I've thought about it. Yeah, there's
that that I don't love and another thing that I
don't love. And I wonder how it was like when
you were filming is like the paparazzi.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I think it's terrible that.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
We're seeing every guest star.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
You know, you're seeing what they're wearing.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
You're seeing what they're wearing.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
They look mad? Are they mad at the scene? You
know what I'm saying. You're seeing so many.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Kissing scenes that maybe we're not supposed to see.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
So yep, No, it's out of control.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
It's it really is.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
It's out of control. It's fully out of control. It
was out of control for us for a really long time.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
But back when we were doing the original show, they
were there, you know, all day long with us, but
we didn't have social media, so it was which picture
did the magazine buy? Right, So you might see one
picture and maybe sometimes you'd see a picture that would
end up.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Like in a tabloid. And we would often be rehearsing
our lines, you know, with our script on our hand,
but maybe they would crop the script out so it
looked like we were arguing with each other when in fact,
you're just trying to remember your line, right, and then
they would read into it like Kristen's mad no whatever, nonsense,
you know what I'm saying, in like the lower the
lower tabloids, right, But you wouldn't see the whole day,
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you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Now, it wouldn't circulate like it wouldn't be shared a
gazillion times one magazine you.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Saw it or you did.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Right right right right now, it's the whole you're just papered.
I mean, I also feel like it makes you for us,
the thing that was hard. We needed to be out
on the streets, right, that's part of our whole, you know,
brand and reason whatever. I don't know how to put it.
It's like integral to the fabric of our of our being,
of our show. And yet we knew if we were
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out there. Everything was going to be documented, so then
it affected kind of like what scenes were inside versus
what scenes were outside. And then sometimes we would do
pretend scenes to throw people off. It just became a
whole other animal.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Oh wow, Do you think everyone's dealing with this, like
everyone who's filming now on the show?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I think depends on how much experience they have with it, right,
because I think for us, we did have this really
long history of the PEPs being with us where we
know their names and they eeded our craft services, which is.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
You know, weird, but that's how it was, right, Like
they were just part in a weird way, like we
need their cooperation, right because like if they're in the shot,
obviously that's not a good take. So we had to
say like please, you.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Know, can you guys back up?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Like we need their help, and so we kind of
had to deal with it in a certain way. But
I don't know that everyone is used to that, right,
So I don't know that, for instance, their writers aren't
necessarily thinking about, Okay, now, blow by blow, this is
going to be documented and circulated. As you said, do
we want and Haway to be falling down the stairs publicly?
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Or whatever, or should we put that scene inside or
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Right, we were both thinking of Devil as product too.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Definitely, definitely, And I mean we know them, you know,
that's our costume designer and David Frankel is one of
our directors. But they hadn't been out there in a while,
so I don't know if they were really aware of
what they were walking into, you know what I mean,
they might have been.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
It's interesting because I think on some level, I think
that studios feel like it's helpful, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Like getting it promoted and like yeah, exposure. Yeah, but
like Devil where is proud of too? I mean I
get if you're doing something, but I mean we're gonna
be there, you know, like not sure you need it.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
I know.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
And I also feel like so much fun is in
the outfits and the interactions and you don't necessarily want
to know stuff, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
I don't don't.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I don't want to know.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I think I think a lot of people feel like that. Yeah,
So I don't know like how it can be avoided.
But yeah, some things were lost in this craziness and
some some stuff is too much. But I do love
like knowing kind of what happened. I feel like I
wonder if with you this is me like flipping the script.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
For it, but like I expected it, but like.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
If also the time away from the show and being
able to rewatch it, because in it makes sense, you're working,
you're this, you're that You're not able to see it
from the outside, but like are you able to see
from the outside now, Like damn, that was like iconic?
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Like that is a one thing.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I mean, yes, yes, definitely.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I hate that word so much because I feel like
people use it so much now.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I know, but like, but but you text on the
City Diane Keaton, when I use that word for her
rest and peace, I.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Was like, she is an icon Oh you know, like yes, no,
that's inappropriate usage.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah yeah, there are people and things that like are deserving.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
But I agree with you on that too. It is
overused and it is it is.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And I think part of the reason that I don't
like that word so much is because even at the time,
people would use it to our faces and we'd.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Just be like, ah ah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Like during the original show and we just be like,
we're too young and new to use use that word. Also,
I think because we were in it right. So like,
on the one hand, I think on a certain level,
like we knew from the response right that things were powerful,
But until you have some time and some space to
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look back, it's really hard to take it in, I think. So,
I think for me, like the joy part part of
the joy is connecting with people like yourselves and you know,
fans and unlikely fans, and then also people from our
show and being able to talk about what it means today,
which if you had told me in nineteen ninety eight
that we would be doing this, I never would have
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believed you, you know, in a million hundred years.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
And that's the power of the writing, I think, you know,
and the power of what the show was.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Like the idea of the show being about for you know,
powerful women who are all different but trying to navigate
you know, relationships and talking openly about it obviously a
great idea Darren Starr had and Kennice bushnel. But like
the fact that it hasn't been really replicated. I mean, yes,
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there are definitely shows similar, right like now we have
I Love La or I don't know if we really
think that similar, But you know what I'm saying, like Girls,
you know, Insecure, I mean, I could keep going, but
and I love all of those shows, and I think
all of those shows have their own kind of identity
and DNA, you know, but they're at least they're women's perspectives,
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which I love so much. You know, that's a show
that I want to watch all those shows because I
love a woman's perspective. But when we did it, the
fact that we weren't a soap opera, you know, was
the thing that was different, right, Like we made a
big effort not to be I don't know really even
how to categorize that, but right we were trying to
be a comedy and trying to tell the stories where
we would go from kind of the dramatic to the
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comedic in a way that was not so soapy.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
And like, god, only twenty three minutes, I know.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I know, when I look back on it, that part
really amazes me.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
It's so short.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Like I I'm interviewing, like, come somebody from a reality
show today and every episode is an hour okay, wow
hour of reality TV en episode okay, And then I
got my homework for this, which is bested and and
it was.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I know, I know, I feel the same when I
watch it.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I was like, twenty three minutes.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, that's it, like so much story, right.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
And so much story Like, no wonder people are binging
in now because it's freaking binge able.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I agree, I agree.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I'm so proud of it. You know, when I look back,
I mean, I am able to be much more objective
about it, I think at the time, because the thing,
the reality for us filming it was that it's twenty
to twenty three minutes. But to film it was very
hard because we had to do all the little scenes
that would connect by the voiceover to fit right. So
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it was like the A storyline, B storyline, C storyline,
D storyline.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
We're all part of the theme.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Especially in third season where we're watching now, everything's like
really gelled together, right, So it's like filming an hour
long show, but we don't have the time for an
hour long show, especially in the beginning, and then the
scenes are really short, right because she's connecting them through
her voiceover.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
So when people would be like, oh, it's so fun
and you're on a sitcom, and.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
We'd be like, well, we're not really on a sitcom.
We're on a single camera show. That's like doing a
film every week, you know, like a like a That
is what made it challenging to film it, but it's
also what made it great to watch it.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah, now that you're saying that, I'm like, right, it's
like in the episode even that we watched, it's like
telling stories the same theme, similar theme, but like we
get to see you, Carrie, Samantha, and Miranda all going
through something, all in twenty three minute.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Wo I know, it is amazing to think about it.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
And again I just go back to our writers and
how incredibly economical and smart they were.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
And also the.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Thing that sometimes surprises me because what I remember is
the dialogue and having to really you know, the dialogue.
They wanted us to be like fast, fast, fast, you know,
like a old school kind of almost like Carol Lombard
or I don't know how to put it, but like quick, quick, quick, quick, right,
And so if we had a we didn't have one
in this in this episode, but like if we had
a long walk and talk with all of us, it
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was like very challenging, you know, because.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
We had to be on it.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
We had to be walking and talking in those heels
and everything had to be fast, and then I would
have thought when I'm watching it, I'm surprised by how
many moments of silence there are.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
But I think that, oh, you're really like you're watching
it from like so many different for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Well, I mean that's partly why actors don't like to
watch themselves, right, It is like we dissect and you know,
critique everything, right, But it's nice from this perspective of time,
right because I obviously cannot change my performance.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Now, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Not that you ever can, but you know what I'm saying,
Like it gives you a freedom to just look at
it like honestly, you know, in terms of all of
the things that are working, and every once in a
while think to myself, like I could.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Have been better in that scene. But whatever.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's just that's how actors are, you know what I'm saying.
But I think it's like the reason that people I
think there's a couple of reasons that people still love
the show, and the writing and the subject matter I
think is kind of like forever interesting relationships obviously, but
then I think the reason that people feel so connected
to the characters are these moments of silence.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Because I wish I noticed that. Now I'm like, damn it,
notice show.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
You'll think about it. You'll think about it.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Like, for instance, Samantha's storyline. I had totally forgotten about
this one, which is part of also why it's interesting
for me to look back at the show.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
There's some things I have no memory of. I remember
every moment of my storyline, which we will get to, and.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
It's not one of my favorites. It is my probably
possibly least favorite. But that's okay. It wasn't as bad
when I look back at it as how I had
remembered it, you know, of course, because I had to
live it at the time. I have this dude shouting,
shouting obscenities in my face.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
But we'll get to that.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
But the thing about Samantha's storyline that I loved, I
had completely forgotten why she moved from the Upper east
Side to the meatpacking district. I had not remembered that
she had let one of her gentleman callers in late
at night and a criminal had followed him and like
robbed and beat a woman in her like an older
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woman in her building. I had completely forgotten this, and
it was kind of sad, I thought, and also sad
that they all judge her in the way her neighbors
are so judgy. I had totally forgotten this. And it's
interesting because I feel like she has her Samantha blushed,
you know, but at the same time you can see
the hurt in her face, you know, in those quiet
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moments in the elevator.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
And yeah, where she's like self conscious.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, And it's interesting because I don't The thing that
I remember mostly about Samantha is the freedom. You know,
like such a powerful character and she is so free,
but at the same time, she's so human, and those
moments are kind of cutting, you know, like to see
her face and then see her try to kind of
put her cover back on, you know, like you know, how.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Dare they judge me? But at the same time you
can tell it hurts.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Yeah, that's so true.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
That's but I feel like that's why people, you know,
connected with Samantha so much, because she is so like
multi layered. Like it's not just like, oh, I like
sleep with everyone and I don't care, you know. She
has those moments of like feeling and feeling like she
didn't care to like make out in front of the
elevator guy of you know, every day of the week.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
But yeah, that montage is pretty hysterical.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I know, I know, I died over the elevator guy. Yeah,
but yeah, the minute that she has everyone in the
building judging her, Yeah, she wants out, nobody's kicking her out.
She doesn't. She doesn't want to feel judged. It doesn't
feel good for anyone.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
No, of course, he doesn't feel good for anyone, for sure.
And I like that.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
And I had totally forgotten about it. I had also
completely forgotten about the Miranda storyline with Steve where they
discuss how many.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
People they got sex with.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
And I also forgot about chlamydia. I forgot all about
this stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
So about Steve that I did remember that. You know,
your show has so many lines that are now I
can never.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Say iconic again.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
But sorry, sorry, No, you're right, you're right, I'm with you.
So many lines that are like top you know, like
ones that you will remember forever.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
They're in the go in the history books.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
And I have to say for me personally, and I
wonder if for other people they're like what, I'm a
bar time and I'm cute.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Oh my god, yes, so good.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
So good.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
I feel like the minute because I like you, I
I kind of forgot the chlamoitya storyline everything, but the
minute Steve said like what, I'm a bytender and I'm cute.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
I'm like I was brought back. I was brought back.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
And I was like, that's like, I mean top top twenty, Like,
den't the lines that that that you remember?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
And also like he's so interesting.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Steve is such an interesting character, and David does obviously
just incredibly brilliant job in terms of like the way
that he is within what they've written. You know, he
has so many, so many emotions play on his face
at so many.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
By the way, I didn't remember if he like had
sex with a lot of people or not.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Me.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Man, he could have, and it could have went each
way for me. Like if you would have said you're
I'm a virgin, you're the first person.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Friend, I would have been like, Steve, you know, so
I thought he was going to say four, I really did.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I really did, I really really did.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
That's where I was I was like, wait, what Steve, Steve?
Speaker 3 (24:07):
I know then so and then when he does that line,
you know, it kind of comes.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
It was really good.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
It was really good.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I was like, wait, like he's you know, he's like
one of those sweet loyal puppies that always has a girlfriend.
Like it's going to be a low number, and Miranda's
going to feel slutty, right, because that's the name of
the episode.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
But right.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
But yeah, that was surprising when he had a like
the kids say today, high body count.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Totally high body count for Steve. Wow, yes, and for Miranda.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
So it kind of works out because for me, when
I watched that whole episode, first of all, I've totally
forgotten about the chlamydia.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I felt so bad for Miranda.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
You know, it's like such a kind of a nightmare
thing for a woman that you go to the guynecologist
and all of a sudden they're like, oh, yes, and
you have.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
A sexually transmitted disease. And I'm you know how horrible.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
And she's been in this relation and with Steve for
a while and then she has to call everybody, which
is of course beyond mortifying. And I'd forgotten that it's
David Lansbury's character who gave it to her.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I'm so cranky.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
That's David Lansbury. Yes, remember the angry guy, like he
was the shouting guy.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Oh yes, And she calls him and he's like what,
like he's really mad and she and she is Miranda.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Is so interesting to see Miranda get like shaken by somebody.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
She stands up.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Do you remember she's on the phone, she's like rolling
the calls of all the guys, and you know, he's
like what you know, so mean right away, and she
stands up because she has like a physical memory of
him just yelling at her. I don't know if you
remember the episode. I think it was last season, season two,
and she kind of turns into like a she's like
waiting on him like a like a trad wife or something,
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do you know what I mean? Like she's like just
trying to keep him calm because he just shouts at everybody.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
It's super interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
So it's really so sad and also kind of hysterical
that he's the one who gave her chlamydia and that.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
He he's like, yeah, I had it.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
He doesn't even didn't call her like completely inconsiderate jerk.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
It made me laugh that it made me laugh that
she called him from her law firm.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Office phone to his like whatever he does.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I think he's office or he's a finance Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
He looks financing, he looks like I feel like those
are the moments because you were saying before, like the
show is so timeless in a lot of ways, you know,
like in the way that like even this episode, like
I don't think there's anything about it that that really
couldn't apply to today.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
You know.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
She could like with like wanting to sleep with somebody,
them waiting, you being all of that, feeling like a slut.
STDs haven't gone away. Yeah, so but like the but
then you're like office phone and office phone would never
happen today, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
And also just the phones in general, like when Samantha's
on that old fashioned phone.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
What I know. It's a funny. I just actually posted
the other day.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
I had this like flashback that like I used to
call my mom's office and ask for her as a kid,
you know, yeah, and like how embarrassing for my mom
that all day were three girls like I'm calling my
other sisters, calling my other sister, and we'd call for
anything like we want, like filter the calls and everyone
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was like, oh my god, yes, like we used to
call our parents' office, you know, and and if it
couldn't get to them directly or like a secretary, was it,
whatever it was, it was like hi, and it was
It's just a different time. And I feel like, now,
even if you have an office phone, you're not making personal.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Calls off that phone. Now. Definitely, I'm not making STD
related calls off.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
That definitely, definitely.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I just had a moment that I thought of and
just like that, when I'm trying to sell the painting
to Sam Smith and Rock calls over something really minor,
and I'm like, I'm trying to sell paint into Sam Smith,
and I'm like, why are you calling me? Like I
thought someone died, you know, I'm in a panic because
they're like Charlotte, you know, Roxton the call, and it
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was very much a throwback to how it used to be,
which is interesting to think about because now we would
just text.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Right now, we would just text, yep, and you would
probably text about the c Yeah, you for sure would
text about the chlamythia.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Because you'd be too embarrassed to call.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
I know, I wonder listen I'm not in the dating world,
so I'm I I probably don't have the you know,
the knowledge, but like do people do that, Like they
get an STD and they.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
You know, it's their question next. Yeah, I don't know.
Do they go through their rolodex or their like app
they saying right, did I swife less?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Right?
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Or who did I listen?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
It is you know, there is a stigma around it,
but it is embarrassing. And what I love about Miranda
in this and just like shows you about Miranda, Like
she was not embarrassed to tell Steve. She was so
cool about it. Like if you need to watch an
instructional video on how to like handle telling a partner
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like yes slap on this episode. Yeah yeah, because the
way she tells Steve and like is so cool. I agree,
he said a non issue and then it's like take care,
like you go test it out, make sure you're okay.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Like I was like I would have sex with her.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
With the chlamittee in that moment because she was like
so freakin' cool about it.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I agree, And he's so childish about it. It's one
of those moments where she has to be the mom
which is interesting because he's like now now I don't
want to go, and she's like, no, you have to go.
She's like, you know, talking to your child, like you
have to go. And he's like, but why you already
have it? And he said, she says, because then you'll
just give it back to me, like she has to explain,
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you know, be by. But I also, I mean, it's interesting.
It's hard not to think about where we know those
characters go, right, because obviously so much happens with Steven
Miranda as the years go on, and it's all so good,
Like you know, the movie with the Brooklyn Bridge pops
in my head, like so many different things pop in
my head when I'm watching them, and I think it's
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the through line of their characters is so it holds
so true, you know, even with all the different situations
they find themselves in as the years go along. And
I really am impressed with the writers. I mean, I
say this a lot, but it is interesting to think about,
like how hard it would be to stay you know,
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completely centered in who those characters are and what they've
been through for all these years.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, like as actors, right yeah, yeah, yeah, right, how.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Do you do that? How do you like transform back? Into.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I mean you click in.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
As an actor, you just click back in, you know
what I'm saying, Like like there's like a muscle memory
type of a of a situation that comes over you.
But I think that the reason that we can click
back in is because the writers have held the truth
and written it honestly to where you don't have to think, like, wait.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Is this would I do this? Would I not do this?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Like like certainly for Harry and Charlotte, you know it's
I would never even it just lives, it has like
its own life, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
The only person that I don't know about that that
I that didn't that that like I feel like even
today seeing him in that episode, Aiden, tell me tell me?
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Sorry? Can I can? I tell you my thoughts?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Of course that's why we're here, Okay, Okay.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
It's like I missed that Aiden, and I missed that
knock and it just like it wasn't the same Aiden.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
And then just like that, Oh really do you feel
that I do?
Speaker 3 (32:05):
But like here are two options, like yeah, obviously, like
I witnessed my mom getting older, Like people get older,
they change, their personalities can change, they can become more,
you know of like certain qualities in them can can
become exacerbated.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Like nothing.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
He has to be the same guy, right, but like
damn young Aiden.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Young Aiden, dreamy.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Like dreamy, the nook, the like romantic, the peat, like
it all worked, you know, like it was, it all worked.
And in this episode, by the way, in this episode
he was a little annoying, like young Aiden, So.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Let me ask you this, do you feel because obviously
I'm watching it, I don't remember a lot of it.
Like when I see John Corbet's little babyface.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I mean it really it.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Was such a baby, such a baby and like so
incredibly adorable, and it just kind of.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Brings home to me, like the.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Length that we've all been working together in like so
much like a flood of emotion, you know, when I
see the little babyface and I love it so much
and I'm trying to get him to come on the
pod and I haven't succeeded yet, but fingers crossed because
we've got to talk about all this stuff. But I
hate right, but I feel I feel unsure because I
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don't feel like I've got an objectivity on and just
like that's Aiden, right, because we're still kind of I'm
not haven't processed a having you know, but I know
what you're saying, And let me ask you the question
that comes to my mind A couple a couple of things,
because when I was watching this particular aid in episode,
I was thinking that there's a like a controlling element
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of him.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Do you know what I'm saying kind.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Of that.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Does kind of remain right throughout right? You know, I'm
saying he was annoying in this episode. I was like, Okay,
love the nook, love the like vibes, yeah, but did
not love.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
You're right, Oh my god, this goes deep.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Right, But we didn't think this back in the day,
did we. I don't think we thought that.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
We thought it was like big bad Aiden good? How
did she do this to like good Aiden? And then
there was that episode of him being super annoying with
like the construction that got us.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Like a little annoying, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
But not like annoyed enough where we would like turn
on him, right, I think we just turned on him
in and and just like that, like we it didn't
happen in Texan City. Just like that, we started to
like ask questions, but no, here he was like, excuse me, sir,
why is it your decision by yourself?
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Like when you're gonna penetrate.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Interesting right the bath?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
If he didn't get in that bath, I know, let
me tell you if. Because again we talked about not remembering, right,
so I'm watching like not remembering did he get in
the bath or does he leave her there like a
loser in the bath?
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Like by the way Carrie does.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
She has these moments where she's you know, she goes
with the flow, you know, she gives into whatever the
man wants, a little too much.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Well because she doubts herself.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
My reading of that was that because of the Big situation,
she inherently has a question of like maybe I really
do need to just do something different, right, like because
Big went so badly, you know, when there hasn't really
been anybody like great since then or whatever, right that
I can remember at least, so probably not, you know
(35:56):
what I'm saying, Like there's Jon bon Jovi or whatever,
like weird things have happened been since Big, you know.
And so then I think, just as a woman, you
start to think like, well, maybe I should just do
something totally.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Different, right, Maybe I should get in the bath by
myself and he's like at the door. But another thing
that annoyed me that he said because he got in
the bath, so that's good. But another thing that as
again a woman, I don't know how I would feel.
And I wonder how like women that are single and
like are in the mix right.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Now would feel.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
But when he said to her like, the next time
I have sex, I want to have sex with somebody
that I care about.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
I know you're like, so.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Then you're deducing, Like okay, then you don't care about me? Yeah, yeah,
And then he follows up with and I think I
can get to caring about you.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
I know it was strange. I know it was strange
by the way.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
I don't know, like Carrie doesn't have an ego, but
I would literally die.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
I'd be like, what do you mean You're not in
love with me after a week? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Like I do, I do know what you mean?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I think that I'm I'm single. I wouldn't really describe
myself as in the mix, but I am single, right,
so certainly as a woman. When I was watching it,
I also didn't remember any of this right, so I
was unclear on what was actually going to happen.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
You know. I just remember that there was like a
series of fantastic outfits that she wears, do you know
what I mean, Like the skirt that's like slit, you know,
like her whole leg and showed like that.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Was hot, by the way, that really hot hot makeouts
in they give it to like Carrie, like the makeouts
because so many times, I, like I told you, I
get into things. So I'll watch shows and I'll really
look at the kissing. Yeah, and I'm a perv no,
but and I'll be like, I want to see the chemistry,
Like I want to believe that it's hot. So first
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of all, their kissing chemistry is there, and then yeah,
his hand goes up that slitted the jeweled skirt or
what else is so beautiful and it really goes up
in there and it looks supernatural.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
So natural.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Their chemistry is perfect and great, which is kind of
amazing because also the big chemistry is obviously amazing. So
I do think that that is you know, Sarah Jessica
just being so fucking good. Yeah, Like when I look back,
I mean, I tell you, I'm amazed at literally all
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of us, but like they're just so good.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
My co stars my people. They're so good. It is
so rewarding to watch.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
And I think also because you're in it, right, and
we're just all trying to you know, like we get
through the hours of working till sunrise and you know,
like trying to figure out what we're gonna wear to
the things, and you know what I'm saying, there's so
much going on right that you don't get to really
appreciate each other's work in a way. So it's really
nice to see. And I mean John Corbett incredibly good,
like so good because the fact that he can say
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these things. Because I also was like, wait, what You're
going to care about her?
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Like, oh, like I really think I can. Yeah, one way,
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
I was also thrown off and I felt like for her.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
And I don't know if this is me projecting, it
definitely could be. I feel like for her, you know,
when the chemistry is so good, right, you kind of
can't you know, really think that straight, you know what
I'm saying. And I feel because she's she's so confused,
like when he's not there, She's like, wait a minute,
what am I doing?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
What is happening? What is actually happening?
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Right, which I definitely have felt so many times myself too,
Like when you're not in the presence of the person
and you're in your intellectual mind, you're like, this does
not make sense.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Why am I doing this?
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Right?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
But then when you're there, because the chemistry is there,
you're just like, yes, I want to do this, whatever
it is, it's going to work out because I think
the vibe, you know, is so powerful.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
But then he ruins the vibe you know.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
But then but then he like cuts the vibe every
time because of this new vie he does.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
He does, but I think she is so not used
to that that she doesn't even really know what to do.
And I feel like, in some ways, and if you
think about Big, Big had all the power, right, and
so it was like her trying all the time to
kind of express herself and connect and get more out
of him, you know, that continual thing that you get
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into sometimes with men, which I hope to God this
is changing, but I don't know if it is. Where
you're just trying to, you know, like, how do I
get them to talk about their feelings?
Speaker 1 (40:27):
It's so impossible.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
And then here's aiden who seems, you know, to be
so much more transparent, right, but then is also kind
of withholding in a different way. So I feel like
that must be something that Carrie is drawn to.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
I wonder if like you do a f well you're
doing like a rewatch rewatch, but if yeah, if we
would see Aiden in kind of a different lens from
the get and see all these things in him that
maybe come out a little bit more later when he's
older and kids at everything. But we do know that
there are moments where he gets really jelly, where he
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like forces his way into moving in together, where he
you know, is can't look past the big stuff, which
makes sense. Yeah, but it was really nice to see
baby John and the way he is, like just as
an actor, so good at like those moments of the
insane chemistry and the moments of just like telling her
(41:29):
the most like annoying, like devastating thing in the moment,
but in this like cute way of like I'm gonna
go home.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
You know, I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
It's so strange.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Yeah, it's interesting Evan early morning, Like the way he
says it is just so you know, it's not like
an whole guy who's like I can't gotta go waking up,
but just the way he says it is like so disappointing,
and you're like, but why you know totally And then
and then it begs the question like which is the
whole episode of? And then Carrie asks herself, Wait, why
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was I thinking that we needed to have sex after
less than a week and a half?
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Like she like the right, which I feel like that.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
And I haven't really done the apps, but I know
a bunch of people who have, and luckily know a
bunch of younger people, and I ask them questions like
what is the norm now?
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Like I don't know what the norm is?
Speaker 2 (42:26):
And someone someone said to me, a guy was telling
me about this this girl that he really liked and
he'd known her like he was not an app situation.
He'd been introduced by I think his uncle that she
wanted to have three dinner dates. And he was like what,
Like that was so much He was like, Wow, you're
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really vetting this?
Speaker 4 (42:51):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
But the thing is like, are we talking about this
or are we just letting? Like cause like with the
Carrie and Naden thing, it's like it's hot, it's heavy,
it's there, Just do it, like who cares?
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Like what the thing is that you're doing. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
To me, it feels like, why are we putting so
much pressure on like that act?
Speaker 4 (43:14):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (43:15):
I do know what you mean, like is there a time?
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Because I know I follow some like you know, influencers
do some dating advice, and I'll see girls asking them
questions like when or how, and I just wonder, like
can things that just be like based on the vibe
and the chemistry.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
I agree one hundred percent, one hundred percent, but I
also feel these.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Are questions that will never go.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Away exactly, which is why it's so good. But the
three dinner dates kills me, Like what if after three
dinner dates you see that like you know, he's a
turn off and he like has boogers all the time.
I don't know, then you're still having the sex, because.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
What happened in this particular situation was that it was
I think also really different for him, and I think
sometimes there's something.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
To be said. Let's say, like.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
If you look at Carrie right, who's obviously like possibly
just the hottest person you know on the planet. Probably
she gets what she wants all the time. Meaning in
terms of the initial beginning of relationships right, not obviously
ultimately as we know from big but like this guy
that I'm talking about, I just think he's used to
getting what he wants, is my main point. So I
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think the fact that this woman who was a little
older than him and they didn't meet on the app right,
like it was a much more kind of old fashioned
type situation. The fact that she actually held herself back,
I think made him kind of perk up and think like, oh,
this is different.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
That may happen.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
That's that's what is so interesting, Like it's I feel
like what I'm saying about following your kind of instinct
and if the chemistry is there, and if it's all happening,
then why why not why like stop yourself if that's
what you want. But then there also is this other
element of we do know that playing games kind of.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Works, right unfortunately, yes.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Like kind but yes it kind of works to be
like a little hard to get but not whatever that is,
and it kind of works to like hold off and
make them want it more than give it up. But
oh my god, that is so confusing also, like how
do you how do you compute it all together?
Speaker 1 (45:27):
But maybe that's what Aiden's doing but.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
Then you can say, maybe there is the person for
you that you don't have to play the games with
and that's like you're a person.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
But that's what I want to believe that.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
I want to believe it to Amanda, let's go with that.
I like the games.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
I've never been good at the games. The games in
my mind are just less.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
Yeah, So like, maybe there's like the person for you
that you can just be you.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yes, they'll be them, Yes, like you'll let it be
organic and let.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
It be organic and you don't have to pretend and
they don't have to pretend. And that's what I want
to That's what I want to believe.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
I like it. I like it. Let's go with it.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
I mean, I wonder, like when I was watching Aiden,
I I don't know if we're going to find out
more about him. I feel like for a long time
we we don't really.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Right, Like we just know how he is with Carrie.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Is coming where we find out that they're friends Steve
and Aid.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
And then they open the.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Bar yep, which is all really interesting and I'd also
forgotten all of that. But it kind of I like
it and I want to know more, Like I kind
of want to know more about the men.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Now you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
You know, when you talk about the show for someone,
I need to rewatch it too. But and we have
those lines like the Steve one. There's like a line
that's so random, but to me it applies to like
I think I've said it like.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
Five times in the last month.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Wow, And I say it often, and I feel like
other people could get this. So there's the episode ware
and this is just like a random throwbag. There was
an episode where okay, so Big starts dating.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
What was his wife's name?
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Right starts I think, wait, was she the model that
he was in love with?
Speaker 4 (47:15):
No? No, yeah, no, the model.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
There was a model that he was in love with
where he was calling Carrie about her. Oh no, do
you remember this? There was a model that he loved. No,
he was calling Carry about and he would be like Carrie,
call Carry like the middle the night. He's like, the
problem is I can't reach her. She can reach me,
but I can't reach her. Oh no, no, don't remember.
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And then he goes to the cabin with Aiden.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
We're not there yet.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
I'm not there yet.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
Oh my god. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
So jealous of whoever does this recap with you because
that the cabin episode, oh so good, yaya when you
get to the cabin.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Yeah, we'll help me back on.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
Okay, call me back with the cabin episode and we'll
get I.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Remember the cabin episode being like beyond good. All right,
we're having so much fun talking to Amanda that we're
going to make a part two. Please join us later
in the week on Are You a Charlotte
Hi. I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte? Hi? Hi, everyone, welcome to Are You
a Charlotte? Today we have the amazing Amanda hersh She
is the founder, creator, and host of Not Skinny but
Not Fat, which is its whole brand, and she is
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here today to rewatch or Are We Sluts? Which air
July sixteenth in the year two thousand and It was
directed by Nicole Holofsoner written by Cindy Schupack. I like
that intro because.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I feel like you personally have been on the forefront
of kind of navigating this new world that we live
in with what appears to be ease. So I would
love just a minute, you know, kind of description like
how did you build this whole brand?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Like you were so to start when you did.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
I was smart, I guess, but I think it was
just out of pure And this is like advice that
I give people is like, my passion was so there
that when I started, it wasn't even like, let me
build this brand, and you know, it was like, if
this is a hobby, if this is a I do
this after work to fill my soul, then that's what
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it is. If this gets me an opportunity or a
cool connection or I always thought like something good can
come of this, and I just kept going and going,
and this was like before TikTok or It's like, I know,
how old do I sound that it's like before TikTok.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Oh, I'm way older than you. So you know, roll
roll with it. I mean, I know you've been doing it.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
By the way, you've been doing so good content wise,
you deserve all the props.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I feel like you've been thank you.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
I trying it.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I try, but it's not easy, right, It's not easy
because for me, obviously you remember what it used to
be like, I mean, you started it not seeing that
fat in twenty sixteen, right, is that right?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So, I mean that was It doesn't seem like that
long ago.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
But in some ways we're just moving so quickly now
in terms of the changing and for me, I've been
you know, Sex and City we started nineteen ninety eight,
which is insane, right, insane, And obviously I was acting
before that, and so just the amount of change that's
happened and me trying to just force myself to be
in the present. It's hard sometimes, you know, it's it's
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like huh.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
But on the other hand, I also feel like it's fun.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
Yeah, like you get into it.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I can tell that you because I think like whether
or not somebody is helping you or forcing you or whatever,
it is, like you can tell when it's like okay,
but she gets it, like gets it, she's in it.
So you deserves the props because like even for me,
when I have to like lip sync the thing.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Oh I hurting, I mean, that's the funny thing. Yet
you have to find what you're comfortable with. And I
definitely have people helping me, and I love them very much,
and they would come, you know, with the list of
ideas and I'd just be like no, no, oh no, like,
you know, so stressed by it all. But once I
looked at it kind of almost like an acting, you know,
like a scene. You know, I have to look at
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it like that, and then it can be fun and
like the lip syncing somehow frees me up, whereas some
of the other things I'm just like, oh, so self conscious.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
You know. Well, maybe it's the actor in you, you know,
maybe it's like the let me get my lines, yep,
let me be like on on point and on time.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
But back to your question, it was just a passion.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
That's amazing that that that I'm so happy that it's
where it's at today. But I was so naive and
like go with the flow and believing that like if
you keep doing something that you love, something good will
come of it.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
So it's it was just like this really natural progression
that I'm just so happy about out. But it, you know,
when it started, like it like I think about even
you know, your show. It's like what I started by
doing was kind of watching shows and talking about that, right.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I was going to ask you what the kernel in
the beginning was like, was it just kind of like
your love for what you were watching in pop culture?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yeah, it was like let's talk about, you know, what's
going on in pop culture. But also I would like
watch a show with people, so I would like film
the screen talk about it. You know, that's cool and
kind of that was not to give myself too much credit,
but nobody really was filming their ugly TV screen at
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the time and then like flipping the camera because it
was like an old you know, it wasn't trying to
look pretty. It was just like filming a scene talking
about it and people really as you know, because even
think about rewatch podcasts, people love diving deeper talking even
if they've watched the show a million times, even if
you're late to it, because there are shows that I
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not like timely about, like oh, let's watch the show
that everybody watched five years ago.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
But it really build like this community of people that.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Like love to like dig in you know, yeah, and
I feel like it's more people than not that like
you know, all these after shows and like I said,
recap pods and like let's talk about it and let's
go back to it and let's so there's really like appetentunity.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
For that, yeah, appetite for that.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
So so it grew from there, amaze. It keeps some
kind of like changing and evolving. But my love for
like my podcast and talking to people like you is
really you know what I love because it's just so
fascinating to me, you know, loving it for so many
years and then getting to talk to the people that
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are doing it, that are in it, that lived it. Yeah,
it all comes together.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I think is really fun too.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
And I do love like it's a kind of a
really interesting, unexpected thing that you can now rewatch. I mean,
for me, I wanted to rewatch our show partly because
I felt like all these other people were, you know,
who don't have anything to do with the show, And
of course that's flattering that they even want to write.
But then I thought, well, wouldn't it be amazing for
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us to be able to kind of go back in
time and talk about what it was like, because back
in the day we didn't really I feel like for us,
we felt like we shouldn't talk about the reality of
what it was like. We just wanted it to live
in a fantasy on the screen, right, And so like
if people would say, you know, oh, isn't it fun,
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isn't it fun? We just say yes, when in fact
we're just deliriously exhausted and we've worked all night and
you know what I'm saying. But people, we felt like
we didn't want to necessarily like that we would seem
like we were complaining if we talked about the realities
of it. But I feel like now people are so
much more educated about what goes into making shows and films,
(06:59):
and you know, they're interested in the details, which I
think is really cool.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
We're interested, but okay, so here's my thing. I feel
like sometimes we're too interesting, you know what I mean? Yeah,
yea yeah, because like even now, like I love like
what you're talking about personally, like the inside Baseball and
breaking the fourth wall and like all of it, like
give it to all to me, like I care about
every last detail. But I feel like there's something to
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be said about, like exactly like your time of filming
it how mysterious, how chic that we didn't know fucking
every day? Yeah yeah, yeah, And now it's like every
actor that has a fucking kissing scene needs to talk
about the intimacy coordinator and we hear about it.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
If you like the.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Intimation, if you use it, if you didn't use it,
And then, oh, you know what.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
I hate the most when like let us live in.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
The fantasy that these actors are in love and like
I don't care that you have a family and like
a husband.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Well that's a good point, that is a really good point.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
And then they go in these press tours like actors
that play lovers that in the movie you're like, oh
my god, they're in love, like you want to believe
the sex scene, you want to live it, And then
are in a interview, being like, you know, it was
so technical, That's right. I love to say it was
all so technical. You know, it's not anything like you
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think it is. You know, it's yes, And I'm like.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
I are we losing something?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Are we losing something that is an integral part of
the audience experience by discussing it?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Yeah, And so there is that I've thought about this
because you can tell I've thought about it. Yeah, there's
that that I don't love and another thing that I
don't love. And I wonder how it was like when
you were filming is like the paparazzi.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I think it's terrible that.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
We're seeing every guest star.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
You know, you're seeing what they're wearing.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
You're seeing what they're wearing.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
They look mad? Are they mad at the scene? You
know what I'm saying. You're seeing so many.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Kissing scenes that maybe we're not supposed to see.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
So yep, No, it's out of control.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
It's it really is.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
It's out of control. It's fully out of control. It
was out of control for us for a really long time.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
But back when we were doing the original show, they
were there, you know, all day long with us, but
we didn't have social media, so it was which picture
did the magazine buy? Right, So you might see one
picture and maybe sometimes you'd see a picture that would
end up.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Like in a tabloid. And we would often be rehearsing
our lines, you know, with our script on our hand,
but maybe they would crop the script out so it
looked like we were arguing with each other when in fact,
you're just trying to remember your line, right, and then
they would read into it like Kristen's mad no whatever, nonsense,
you know what I'm saying, in like the lower the
lower tabloids, right, But you wouldn't see the whole day,
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you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Now, it wouldn't circulate like it wouldn't be shared a
gazillion times one magazine you.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Saw it or you did.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Right right right right now, it's the whole you're just papered.
I mean, I also feel like it makes you for us,
the thing that was hard. We needed to be out
on the streets, right, that's part of our whole, you know,
brand and reason whatever. I don't know how to put it.
It's like integral to the fabric of our of our being,
of our show. And yet we knew if we were
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out there. Everything was going to be documented, so then
it affected kind of like what scenes were inside versus
what scenes were outside. And then sometimes we would do
pretend scenes to throw people off. It just became a
whole other animal.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Oh wow, Do you think everyone's dealing with this, like
everyone who's filming now on the show?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I think depends on how much experience they have with it, right,
because I think for us, we did have this really
long history of the PEPs being with us where we
know their names and they eeded our craft services, which is.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
You know, weird, but that's how it was, right, Like
they were just part in a weird way, like we
need their cooperation, right because like if they're in the shot,
obviously that's not a good take. So we had to
say like please, you.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Know, can you guys back up?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Like we need their help, and so we kind of
had to deal with it in a certain way. But
I don't know that everyone is used to that, right,
So I don't know that, for instance, their writers aren't
necessarily thinking about, Okay, now, blow by blow, this is
going to be documented and circulated. As you said, do
we want and Haway to be falling down the stairs publicly?
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Or whatever, or should we put that scene inside or
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Right, we were both thinking of Devil as product too.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Definitely, definitely, And I mean we know them, you know,
that's our costume designer and David Frankel is one of
our directors. But they hadn't been out there in a while,
so I don't know if they were really aware of
what they were walking into, you know what I mean,
they might have been.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
It's interesting because I think on some level, I think
that studios feel like it's helpful, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Like getting it promoted and like yeah, exposure. Yeah, but
like Devil where is proud of too? I mean I
get if you're doing something, but I mean we're gonna
be there, you know, like not sure you need it.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
I know.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
And I also feel like so much fun is in
the outfits and the interactions and you don't necessarily want
to know stuff, you know.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
I don't don't.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I don't want to know.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
I think I think a lot of people feel like that. Yeah,
So I don't know like how it can be avoided.
But yeah, some things were lost in this craziness and
some some stuff is too much. But I do love
like knowing kind of what happened. I feel like I
wonder if with you this is me like flipping the script.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
For it, but like I expected it, but like.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
If also the time away from the show and being
able to rewatch it, because in it makes sense, you're working,
you're this, you're that You're not able to see it
from the outside, but like are you able to see
from the outside now, Like damn, that was like iconic?
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Like that is a one thing.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I mean, yes, yes, definitely.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
I hate that word so much because I feel like
people use it so much now.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
I know, but like, but but you text on the
City Diane Keaton, when I use that word for her
rest and peace, I.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Was like, she is an icon Oh you know, like yes, no,
that's inappropriate usage.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
Yeah yeah, there are people and things that like are deserving.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
But I agree with you on that too. It is
overused and it is it is.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And I think part of the reason that I don't
like that word so much is because even at the time,
people would use it to our faces and we'd.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Just be like, ah ah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Like during the original show and we just be like,
we're too young and new to use use that word. Also,
I think because we were in it right. So like,
on the one hand, I think on a certain level,
like we knew from the response right that things were powerful,
But until you have some time and some space to
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look back, it's really hard to take it in, I think. So,
I think for me, like the joy part part of
the joy is connecting with people like yourselves and you know,
fans and unlikely fans, and then also people from our
show and being able to talk about what it means today,
which if you had told me in nineteen ninety eight
that we would be doing this, I never would have
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believed you, you know, in a million hundred years.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
And that's the power of the writing, I think, you know,
and the power of what the show was.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Like the idea of the show being about for you know,
powerful women who are all different but trying to navigate
you know, relationships and talking openly about it obviously a
great idea Darren Starr had and Kennice bushnel. But like
the fact that it hasn't been really replicated. I mean, yes,
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there are definitely shows similar, right like now we have
I Love La or I don't know if we really
think that similar, But you know what I'm saying, like Girls,
you know, Insecure, I mean, I could keep going, but
and I love all of those shows, and I think
all of those shows have their own kind of identity
and DNA, you know, but they're at least they're women's perspectives,
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which I love so much. You know, that's a show
that I want to watch all those shows because I
love a woman's perspective. But when we did it, the
fact that we weren't a soap opera, you know, was
the thing that was different, right, Like we made a
big effort not to be I don't know really even
how to categorize that, but right we were trying to
be a comedy and trying to tell the stories where
we would go from kind of the dramatic to the
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comedic in a way that was not so soapy.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
And like, god, only twenty three minutes, I know.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I know, when I look back on it, that part
really amazes me.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
It's so short.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Like I I'm interviewing, like, come somebody from a reality
show today and every episode is an hour okay, wow
hour of reality TV en episode okay, And then I
got my homework for this, which is bested and and
it was.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
I know, I know, I feel the same when I
watch it.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
I was like, twenty three minutes.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, that's it, like so much story, right.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
And so much story Like, no wonder people are binging
in now because it's freaking binge able.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I agree, I agree.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I'm so proud of it. You know, when I look back,
I mean, I am able to be much more objective
about it, I think at the time, because the thing,
the reality for us filming it was that it's twenty
to twenty three minutes. But to film it was very
hard because we had to do all the little scenes
that would connect by the voiceover to fit right. So
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it was like the A storyline, B storyline, C storyline,
D storyline.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
We're all part of the theme.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Especially in third season where we're watching now, everything's like
really gelled together, right, So it's like filming an hour
long show, but we don't have the time for an
hour long show, especially in the beginning, and then the
scenes are really short, right because she's connecting them through
her voiceover.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
So when people would be like, oh, it's so fun
and you're on a sitcom, and.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
We'd be like, well, we're not really on a sitcom.
We're on a single camera show. That's like doing a
film every week, you know, like a like a That
is what made it challenging to film it, but it's
also what made it great to watch it.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yeah, now that you're saying that, I'm like, right, it's
like in the episode even that we watched, it's like
telling stories the same theme, similar theme, but like we
get to see you, Carrie, Samantha, and Miranda all going
through something, all in twenty three minute.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Wo I know, it is amazing to think about it.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
And again I just go back to our writers and
how incredibly economical and smart they were.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
And also the.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Thing that sometimes surprises me because what I remember is
the dialogue and having to really you know, the dialogue.
They wanted us to be like fast, fast, fast, you know,
like a old school kind of almost like Carol Lombard
or I don't know how to put it, but like quick, quick, quick, quick, right,
And so if we had a we didn't have one
in this in this episode, but like if we had
a long walk and talk with all of us, it
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was like very challenging, you know, because.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
We had to be on it.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
We had to be walking and talking in those heels
and everything had to be fast, and then I would
have thought when I'm watching it, I'm surprised by how
many moments of silence there are.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
But I think that, oh, you're really like you're watching
it from like so many different for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Well, I mean that's partly why actors don't like to
watch themselves, right, It is like we dissect and you know,
critique everything, right, But it's nice from this perspective of time,
right because I obviously cannot change my performance.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Now, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Not that you ever can, but you know what I'm saying,
Like it gives you a freedom to just look at
it like honestly, you know, in terms of all of
the things that are working, and every once in a
while think to myself, like I could.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Have been better in that scene. But whatever.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's just that's how actors are, you know what I'm saying.
But I think it's like the reason that people I
think there's a couple of reasons that people still love
the show, and the writing and the subject matter I
think is kind of like forever interesting relationships obviously, but
then I think the reason that people feel so connected
to the characters are these moments of silence.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Because I wish I noticed that. Now I'm like, damn it,
notice show.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
You'll think about it. You'll think about it.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Like, for instance, Samantha's storyline. I had totally forgotten about
this one, which is part of also why it's interesting
for me to look back at the show.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
There's some things I have no memory of. I remember
every moment of my storyline, which we will get to, and.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
It's not one of my favorites. It is my probably
possibly least favorite. But that's okay. It wasn't as bad
when I look back at it as how I had
remembered it, you know, of course, because I had to
live it at the time. I have this dude shouting,
shouting obscenities in my face.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
But we'll get to that.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
But the thing about Samantha's storyline that I loved, I
had completely forgotten why she moved from the Upper east
Side to the meatpacking district. I had not remembered that
she had let one of her gentleman callers in late
at night and a criminal had followed him and like
robbed and beat a woman in her like an older
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woman in her building. I had completely forgotten this, and
it was kind of sad, I thought, and also sad
that they all judge her in the way her neighbors
are so judgy. I had totally forgotten this. And it's
interesting because I feel like she has her Samantha blushed,
you know, but at the same time you can see
the hurt in her face, you know, in those quiet
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moments in the elevator.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
And yeah, where she's like self conscious.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, And it's interesting because I don't The thing that
I remember mostly about Samantha is the freedom. You know,
like such a powerful character and she is so free,
but at the same time, she's so human, and those
moments are kind of cutting, you know, like to see
her face and then see her try to kind of
put her cover back on, you know, like you know, how.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Dare they judge me? But at the same time you
can tell it hurts.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Yeah, that's so true.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
That's but I feel like that's why people, you know,
connected with Samantha so much, because she is so like
multi layered. Like it's not just like, oh, I like
sleep with everyone and I don't care, you know. She
has those moments of like feeling and feeling like she
didn't care to like make out in front of the
elevator guy of you know, every day of the week.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
But yeah, that montage is pretty hysterical.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
I know, I know, I died over the elevator guy. Yeah,
but yeah, the minute that she has everyone in the
building judging her, Yeah, she wants out, nobody's kicking her out.
She doesn't. She doesn't want to feel judged. It doesn't
feel good for anyone.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
No, of course, he doesn't feel good for anyone, for sure.
And I like that.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
And I had totally forgotten about it. I had also
completely forgotten about the Miranda storyline with Steve where they
discuss how many.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
People they got sex with.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
And I also forgot about chlamydia. I forgot all about
this stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
So about Steve that I did remember that. You know,
your show has so many lines that are now I
can never.
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Say iconic again.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
But sorry, sorry, No, you're right, you're right, I'm with you.
So many lines that are like top you know, like
ones that you will remember forever.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
They're in the go in the history books.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
And I have to say for me personally, and I
wonder if for other people they're like what, I'm a
bar time and I'm cute.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Oh my god, yes, so good.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
So good.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
I feel like the minute because I like you, I
I kind of forgot the chlamoitya storyline everything, but the
minute Steve said like what, I'm a bytender and I'm cute.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
I'm like I was brought back. I was brought back.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
And I was like, that's like, I mean top top twenty, Like,
den't the lines that that that you remember?
Speaker 1 (23:24):
And also like he's so interesting.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Steve is such an interesting character, and David does obviously
just incredibly brilliant job in terms of like the way
that he is within what they've written. You know, he
has so many, so many emotions play on his face
at so many.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
By the way, I didn't remember if he like had
sex with a lot of people or not.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Me.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Man, he could have, and it could have went each
way for me. Like if you would have said you're
I'm a virgin, you're the first person.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Friend, I would have been like, Steve, you know, so
I thought he was going to say four, I really did.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I really did, I really really did.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
That's where I was I was like, wait, what Steve, Steve?
Speaker 3 (24:07):
I know then so and then when he does that line,
you know, it kind of comes.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
It was really good.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
It was really good.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I'm with you.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I was like, wait, like he's you know, he's like
one of those sweet loyal puppies that always has a girlfriend.
Like it's going to be a low number, and Miranda's
going to feel slutty, right, because that's the name of
the episode.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
But right.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
But yeah, that was surprising when he had a like
the kids say today, high body count.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Totally high body count for Steve. Wow, yes, and for Miranda.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
So it kind of works out because for me, when
I watched that whole episode, first of all, I've totally
forgotten about the chlamydia.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I felt so bad for Miranda.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
You know, it's like such a kind of a nightmare
thing for a woman that you go to the guynecologist
and all of a sudden they're like, oh, yes, and
you have.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
A sexually transmitted disease. And I'm you know how horrible.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
And she's been in this relation and with Steve for
a while and then she has to call everybody, which
is of course beyond mortifying. And I'd forgotten that it's
David Lansbury's character who gave it to her.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I'm so cranky.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
That's David Lansbury. Yes, remember the angry guy, like he
was the shouting guy.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Oh yes, And she calls him and he's like what,
like he's really mad and she and she is Miranda.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Is so interesting to see Miranda get like shaken by somebody.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
She stands up.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Do you remember she's on the phone, she's like rolling
the calls of all the guys, and you know, he's
like what you know, so mean right away, and she
stands up because she has like a physical memory of
him just yelling at her. I don't know if you
remember the episode. I think it was last season, season two,
and she kind of turns into like a she's like
waiting on him like a like a trad wife or something,
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do you know what I mean? Like she's like just
trying to keep him calm because he just shouts at everybody.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
It's super interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
So it's really so sad and also kind of hysterical
that he's the one who gave her chlamydia and that.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
He he's like, yeah, I had it.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
He doesn't even didn't call her like completely inconsiderate jerk.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
It made me laugh that it made me laugh that
she called him from her law firm.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Office phone to his like whatever he does.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
I think he's office or he's a finance Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
He looks financing, he looks like I feel like those
are the moments because you were saying before, like the
show is so timeless in a lot of ways, you know,
like in the way that like even this episode, like
I don't think there's anything about it that that really
couldn't apply to today.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
You know.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
She could like with like wanting to sleep with somebody,
them waiting, you being all of that, feeling like a slut.
STDs haven't gone away. Yeah, so but like the but
then you're like office phone and office phone would never
happen today, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
And also just the phones in general, like when Samantha's
on that old fashioned phone.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
What I know. It's a funny. I just actually posted
the other day.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
I had this like flashback that like I used to
call my mom's office and ask for her as a kid,
you know, yeah, and like how embarrassing for my mom
that all day were three girls like I'm calling my
other sisters, calling my other sister, and we'd call for
anything like we want, like filter the calls and everyone
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was like, oh my god, yes, like we used to
call our parents' office, you know, and and if it
couldn't get to them directly or like a secretary, was it,
whatever it was, it was like hi, and it was
It's just a different time. And I feel like, now,
even if you have an office phone, you're not making personal.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
Calls off that phone. Now. Definitely, I'm not making STD
related calls off.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
That definitely, definitely.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I just had a moment that I thought of and
just like that, when I'm trying to sell the painting
to Sam Smith and Rock calls over something really minor,
and I'm like, I'm trying to sell paint into Sam Smith,
and I'm like, why are you calling me? Like I
thought someone died, you know, I'm in a panic because
they're like Charlotte, you know, Roxton the call, and it
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was very much a throwback to how it used to be,
which is interesting to think about because now we would
just text.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Right now, we would just text, yep, and you would
probably text about the c Yeah, you for sure would
text about the chlamythia.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Because you'd be too embarrassed to call.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
I know, I wonder listen I'm not in the dating world,
so I'm I I probably don't have the you know,
the knowledge, but like do people do that, Like they
get an STD and they.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
You know, it's their question next. Yeah, I don't know.
Do they go through their rolodex or their like app
they saying right, did I swife less?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Right?
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Or who did I listen?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
It is you know, there is a stigma around it,
but it is embarrassing. And what I love about Miranda
in this and just like shows you about Miranda, Like
she was not embarrassed to tell Steve. She was so
cool about it. Like if you need to watch an
instructional video on how to like handle telling a partner
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like yes slap on this episode. Yeah yeah, because the
way she tells Steve and like is so cool. I agree,
he said a non issue and then it's like take care,
like you go test it out, make sure you're okay.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Like I was like I would have sex with her.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
With the chlamittee in that moment because she was like
so freakin' cool about it.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I agree, And he's so childish about it. It's one
of those moments where she has to be the mom
which is interesting because he's like now now I don't
want to go, and she's like, no, you have to go.
She's like, you know, talking to your child, like you
have to go. And he's like, but why you already
have it? And he said, she says, because then you'll
just give it back to me, like she has to explain,
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you know, be by. But I also, I mean, it's interesting.
It's hard not to think about where we know those
characters go, right, because obviously so much happens with Steven
Miranda as the years go on, and it's all so good,
Like you know, the movie with the Brooklyn Bridge pops
in my head, like so many different things pop in
my head when I'm watching them, and I think it's
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the through line of their characters is so it holds
so true, you know, even with all the different situations
they find themselves in as the years go along. And
I really am impressed with the writers. I mean, I
say this a lot, but it is interesting to think about,
like how hard it would be to stay you know,
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completely centered in who those characters are and what they've
been through for all these years.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, like as actors, right yeah, yeah, yeah, right, how.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Do you do that? How do you like transform back? Into.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I mean you click in.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
As an actor, you just click back in, you know
what I'm saying, Like like there's like a muscle memory
type of a of a situation that comes over you.
But I think that the reason that we can click
back in is because the writers have held the truth
and written it honestly to where you don't have to think, like, wait.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Is this would I do this? Would I not do this?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Like like certainly for Harry and Charlotte, you know it's
I would never even it just lives, it has like
its own life, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
The only person that I don't know about that that
I that didn't that that like I feel like even
today seeing him in that episode, Aiden, tell me tell me?
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Sorry? Can I can? I tell you my thoughts?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Of course that's why we're here, Okay, Okay.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
It's like I missed that Aiden, and I missed that
knock and it just like it wasn't the same Aiden.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
And then just like that, Oh really do you feel
that I do?
Speaker 3 (32:05):
But like here are two options, like yeah, obviously, like
I witnessed my mom getting older, Like people get older,
they change, their personalities can change, they can become more,
you know of like certain qualities in them can can
become exacerbated.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Like nothing.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
He has to be the same guy, right, but like
damn young Aiden.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Young Aiden, dreamy.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Like dreamy, the nook, the like romantic, the peat, like
it all worked, you know, like it was, it all worked.
And in this episode, by the way, in this episode
he was a little annoying, like young Aiden, So.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Let me ask you this, do you feel because obviously
I'm watching it, I don't remember a lot of it.
Like when I see John Corbet's little babyface.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I mean it really it.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Was such a baby, such a baby and like so
incredibly adorable, and it just kind of.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Brings home to me, like the.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Length that we've all been working together in like so
much like a flood of emotion, you know, when I
see the little babyface and I love it so much
and I'm trying to get him to come on the
pod and I haven't succeeded yet, but fingers crossed because
we've got to talk about all this stuff. But I
hate right, but I feel I feel unsure because I
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don't feel like I've got an objectivity on and just
like that's Aiden, right, because we're still kind of I'm
not haven't processed a having you know, but I know
what you're saying, And let me ask you the question
that comes to my mind A couple a couple of things,
because when I was watching this particular aid in episode,
I was thinking that there's a like a controlling element
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of him.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Do you know what I'm saying kind.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Of that.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Does kind of remain right throughout right? You know, I'm
saying he was annoying in this episode. I was like, Okay,
love the nook, love the like vibes, yeah, but did
not love.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
You're right, Oh my god, this goes deep.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Right, But we didn't think this back in the day,
did we. I don't think we thought that.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
We thought it was like big bad Aiden good? How
did she do this to like good Aiden? And then
there was that episode of him being super annoying with
like the construction that got us.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Like a little annoying, yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
But not like annoyed enough where we would like turn
on him, right, I think we just turned on him
in and and just like that, like we it didn't
happen in Texan City. Just like that, we started to
like ask questions, but no, here he was like, excuse me, sir,
why is it your decision by yourself?
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Like when you're gonna penetrate.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Interesting right the bath?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
If he didn't get in that bath, I know, let
me tell you if. Because again we talked about not remembering, right,
so I'm watching like not remembering did he get in
the bath or does he leave her there like a
loser in the bath?
Speaker 4 (35:21):
Like by the way Carrie does.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
She has these moments where she's you know, she goes
with the flow, you know, she gives into whatever the
man wants, a little too much.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Well because she doubts herself.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
My reading of that was that because of the Big situation,
she inherently has a question of like maybe I really
do need to just do something different, right, like because
Big went so badly, you know, when there hasn't really
been anybody like great since then or whatever, right that
I can remember at least, so probably not, you know
(35:56):
what I'm saying, Like there's Jon bon Jovi or whatever,
like weird things have happened been since Big, you know.
And so then I think, just as a woman, you
start to think like, well, maybe I should just do
something totally.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Different, right, Maybe I should get in the bath by
myself and he's like at the door. But another thing
that annoyed me that he said because he got in
the bath, so that's good. But another thing that as
again a woman, I don't know how I would feel.
And I wonder how like women that are single and
like are in the mix right.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Now would feel.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
But when he said to her like, the next time
I have sex, I want to have sex with somebody
that I care about.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
I know you're like, so.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Then you're deducing, Like okay, then you don't care about me? Yeah, yeah,
And then he follows up with and I think I
can get to caring about you.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
I know it was strange. I know it was strange
by the way.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
I don't know, like Carrie doesn't have an ego, but
I would literally die.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
I'd be like, what do you mean You're not in
love with me after a week? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Like I do, I do know what you mean?
Speaker 2 (36:58):
I think that I'm I'm single. I wouldn't really describe
myself as in the mix, but I am single, right,
so certainly as a woman. When I was watching it,
I also didn't remember any of this right, so I
was unclear on what was actually going to happen.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
You know. I just remember that there was like a
series of fantastic outfits that she wears, do you know
what I mean, Like the skirt that's like slit, you know,
like her whole leg and showed like that.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
Was hot, by the way, that really hot hot makeouts
in they give it to like Carrie, like the makeouts
because so many times, I, like I told you, I
get into things. So I'll watch shows and I'll really
look at the kissing. Yeah, and I'm a perv no,
but and I'll be like, I want to see the chemistry,
Like I want to believe that it's hot. So first
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of all, their kissing chemistry is there, and then yeah,
his hand goes up that slitted the jeweled skirt or
what else is so beautiful and it really goes up
in there and it looks supernatural.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
So natural.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Their chemistry is perfect and great, which is kind of
amazing because also the big chemistry is obviously amazing. So
I do think that that is you know, Sarah Jessica
just being so fucking good. Yeah, Like when I look back,
I mean, I tell you, I'm amazed at literally all
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of us, but like they're just so good.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
My co stars my people. They're so good. It is
so rewarding to watch.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
And I think also because you're in it, right, and
we're just all trying to you know, like we get
through the hours of working till sunrise and you know,
like trying to figure out what we're gonna wear to
the things, and you know what I'm saying, there's so
much going on right that you don't get to really
appreciate each other's work in a way. So it's really
nice to see. And I mean John Corbett incredibly good,
like so good because the fact that he can say
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these things. Because I also was like, wait, what You're
going to care about her?
Speaker 4 (38:59):
Like, oh, like I really think I can. Yeah, one way,
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
I was also thrown off and I felt like for her.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
And I don't know if this is me projecting, it
definitely could be. I feel like for her, you know,
when the chemistry is so good, right, you kind of
can't you know, really think that straight, you know what
I'm saying. And I feel because she's she's so confused,
like when he's not there, She's like, wait a minute,
what am I doing?
Speaker 1 (39:29):
What is happening? What is actually happening?
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Right, which I definitely have felt so many times myself too,
Like when you're not in the presence of the person
and you're in your intellectual mind, you're like, this does
not make sense.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Why am I doing this?
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Right?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
But then when you're there, because the chemistry is there,
you're just like, yes, I want to do this, whatever
it is, it's going to work out because I think
the vibe, you know, is so powerful.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
But then he ruins the vibe you know.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
But then but then he like cuts the vibe every
time because of this new vie he does.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
He does, but I think she is so not used
to that that she doesn't even really know what to do.
And I feel like, in some ways, and if you
think about Big, Big had all the power, right, and
so it was like her trying all the time to
kind of express herself and connect and get more out
of him, you know, that continual thing that you get
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into sometimes with men, which I hope to God this
is changing, but I don't know if it is. Where
you're just trying to, you know, like, how do I
get them to talk about their feelings?
Speaker 1 (40:27):
It's so impossible.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
And then here's aiden who seems, you know, to be
so much more transparent, right, but then is also kind
of withholding in a different way. So I feel like
that must be something that Carrie is drawn to.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
I wonder if like you do a f well you're
doing like a rewatch rewatch, but if yeah, if we
would see Aiden in kind of a different lens from
the get and see all these things in him that
maybe come out a little bit more later when he's
older and kids at everything. But we do know that
there are moments where he gets really jelly, where he
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like forces his way into moving in together, where he
you know, is can't look past the big stuff, which
makes sense. Yeah, but it was really nice to see
baby John and the way he is, like just as
an actor, so good at like those moments of the
insane chemistry and the moments of just like telling her
(41:29):
the most like annoying, like devastating thing in the moment,
but in this like cute way of like I'm gonna
go home.
Speaker 4 (41:40):
You know, I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
It's so strange.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Yeah, it's interesting Evan early morning, Like the way he
says it is just so you know, it's not like
an whole guy who's like I can't gotta go waking up,
but just the way he says it is like so disappointing,
and you're like, but why you know totally And then
and then it begs the question like which is the
whole episode of? And then Carrie asks herself, Wait, why
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was I thinking that we needed to have sex after
less than a week and a half?
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Like she like the right, which I feel like that.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
And I haven't really done the apps, but I know
a bunch of people who have, and luckily know a
bunch of younger people, and I ask them questions like
what is the norm now?
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Like I don't know what the norm is?
Speaker 2 (42:26):
And someone someone said to me, a guy was telling
me about this this girl that he really liked and
he'd known her like he was not an app situation.
He'd been introduced by I think his uncle that she
wanted to have three dinner dates. And he was like what,
Like that was so much He was like, Wow, you're
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really vetting this?
Speaker 4 (42:51):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
But the thing is like, are we talking about this
or are we just letting? Like cause like with the
Carrie and Naden thing, it's like it's hot, it's heavy,
it's there, Just do it, like who cares?
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Like what the thing is that you're doing. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (43:08):
To me, it feels like, why are we putting so
much pressure on like that act?
Speaker 4 (43:14):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (43:15):
I do know what you mean, like is there a time?
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Because I know I follow some like you know, influencers
do some dating advice, and I'll see girls asking them
questions like when or how, and I just wonder, like
can things that just be like based on the vibe
and the chemistry.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
I agree one hundred percent, one hundred percent, but I
also feel these.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Are questions that will never go.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Away exactly, which is why it's so good. But the
three dinner dates kills me, Like what if after three
dinner dates you see that like you know, he's a
turn off and he like has boogers all the time.
I don't know, then you're still having the sex, because.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
What happened in this particular situation was that it was
I think also really different for him, and I think
sometimes there's something.
Speaker 1 (44:04):
To be said. Let's say, like.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
If you look at Carrie right, who's obviously like possibly
just the hottest person you know on the planet. Probably
she gets what she wants all the time. Meaning in
terms of the initial beginning of relationships right, not obviously
ultimately as we know from big but like this guy
that I'm talking about, I just think he's used to
getting what he wants, is my main point. So I
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think the fact that this woman who was a little
older than him and they didn't meet on the app right,
like it was a much more kind of old fashioned
type situation. The fact that she actually held herself back,
I think made him kind of perk up and think like, oh,
this is different.
Speaker 4 (44:44):
That may happen.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
That's that's what is so interesting, Like it's I feel
like what I'm saying about following your kind of instinct
and if the chemistry is there, and if it's all happening,
then why why not why like stop yourself if that's
what you want. But then there also is this other
element of we do know that playing games kind of.
Speaker 1 (45:05):
Works, right unfortunately, yes.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Like kind but yes it kind of works to be
like a little hard to get but not whatever that is,
and it kind of works to like hold off and
make them want it more than give it up. But
oh my god, that is so confusing also, like how
do you how do you compute it all together?
Speaker 1 (45:27):
But maybe that's what Aiden's doing but.
Speaker 3 (45:30):
Then you can say, maybe there is the person for
you that you don't have to play the games with
and that's like you're a person.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
But that's what I want to believe that.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
I want to believe it to Amanda, let's go with that.
I like the games.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
I've never been good at the games. The games in
my mind are just less.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
Yeah, So like, maybe there's like the person for you
that you can just be you.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yes, they'll be them, Yes, like you'll let it be
organic and let.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
It be organic and you don't have to pretend and
they don't have to pretend. And that's what I want
to That's what I want to believe.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
I like it. I like it. Let's go with it.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
I mean, I wonder, like when I was watching Aiden,
I I don't know if we're going to find out
more about him. I feel like for a long time
we we don't really.
Speaker 1 (46:18):
Right, Like we just know how he is with Carrie.
Speaker 2 (46:21):
Is coming where we find out that they're friends Steve
and Aid.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
And then they open the.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Bar yep, which is all really interesting and I'd also
forgotten all of that. But it kind of I like
it and I want to know more, Like I kind
of want to know more about the men.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
Now you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
You know, when you talk about the show for someone,
I need to rewatch it too. But and we have
those lines like the Steve one. There's like a line
that's so random, but to me it applies to like
I think I've said it like.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
Five times in the last month.
Speaker 3 (46:54):
Wow, And I say it often, and I feel like
other people could get this. So there's the episode ware
and this is just like a random throwbag. There was
an episode where okay, so Big starts dating.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
What was his wife's name?
Speaker 3 (47:11):
Right starts I think, wait, was she the model that
he was in love with?
Speaker 4 (47:15):
No? No, yeah, no, the model.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
There was a model that he was in love with
where he was calling Carrie about her. Oh no, do
you remember this? There was a model that he loved. No,
he was calling Carry about and he would be like Carrie,
call Carry like the middle the night. He's like, the
problem is I can't reach her. She can reach me,
but I can't reach her. Oh no, no, don't remember.
(47:40):
And then he goes to the cabin with Aiden.
Speaker 4 (47:42):
We're not there yet.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
I'm not there yet.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
Oh my god. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (47:46):
So jealous of whoever does this recap with you because
that the cabin episode, oh so good, yaya when you
get to the cabin.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Yeah, we'll help me back on.
Speaker 4 (47:58):
Okay, call me back with the cabin episode and we'll
get I.
Speaker 1 (48:00):
Remember the cabin episode being like beyond good. All right,
we're having so much fun talking to Amanda that we're
going to make a part two. Please join us later
in the week on Are You a Charlotte
Host
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