June 27, 2025 • 37 mins
Kristin's TV daughter joins her to discuss The Freak Show. Cathy Ang brings a unique perspective as they discuss Carrie's bad dates and Mr. Pussy.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
you a Charlotte. Kathyang is here with us. She plays
Lily on in jes like that my pretend daughter. That's
what we call you about my house. I say, I'm
going to go see my pretend daughter in New York.
They're like, oh, my mother, like she might. No, No,
(00:21):
they like you. They're just a little thrown off, you know,
they're my real children. They're like, oh, okay, the pretend daughter. Okay,
but you know, this is the weirdness of having a
mom as an actress. Actress mom, weird things happen. Okay,
we're going to discuss an episode from the second season.
This episode two of three is called The Freak Show
(00:43):
and it's really good. It aired on June twentieth, nineteen
ninety nine. You guys. Wow, Oh it kills me when
I say these dates. So the synopsis is basically is
New York full of freaks. Carrie, Charlotte, Miranda, and Samantha
all date a different kind of quote freak and wonder
(01:04):
are they freaks as well. It's a great synopsis, you guys.
And this is directed by one of my favorite directors,
Alan Colter, who we are going to have on the
podcast soon. I'm so excited. He made a huge difference.
He came in on the on the show in the
first season and really shifted the show, like his kind
of way that he moved the camera, the way that
he spoke to us. He's the first person who spoke
(01:26):
to us about talking fast and walking slow in the
walk and talks because you run out of space. Yeah,
if you walk as fast as you're talking, because you
tend to want to keep the rhythm the same. But
you have to teach yourself to move your feet slower
and let your mouth go quick.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You're not a human, You're like, yes, you are.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
You are not a normal human. It's true. There's also
written by Jenniebigs, the Great Jenniebigs. Yay, okay, this is
a crazy episode because this is when my character dates
someone that we call mister Pussy. Oh yeah, so Charlie
Schroeder played mister Pussy. He did a real name was
(02:04):
Mitchell Saylor, but really everyone calls her calls him mister Pussy,
and he is like a legend apparently, which is interesting.
But can you I can actually I can't. I do
think it's real. See, this is when we're still in
the era of storylines that were actually based on Kannas's
column and Candice knowing people and having these stories be
(02:27):
real stories from life. WHOA, yeah, that is crippy.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
That is a moniker for you.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
That's totally right. So all of us have really really fascinating,
fascinating storylines I think in this episode. And so Carrie
the thing. There's so many things I love about this episode,
but one of them is the way that it begins
as Carrie's voiceover, of course, and she's talking about dating
in Manhattan, and we see images of Ellis Island, which
is so crazy, and then it bleeds into a couple
(02:58):
like a CPA looking photograph leads into actual extras in
the show that are dressed in ways that look like
they're you know, like term the century. It's fascinating, and
it's talking about everyone came with a dream. And then
she talks about how single women dream of getting married,
which I'm just like, wow, would we write that today?
I don't know, what do you think, Kathy, would we
(03:19):
write that today for your generation? Do you feel?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I mean, well, A part of it is also like
I don't think that my generation always thinks that way.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
That's what I mean. Yeah, right, And there's more options.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I gee, there's a lot of options.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I mean, like the thing is that the show was
featuring women who, like we're you were looking at those stories,
so like it still makes sense.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Oh it makes sense. I'm not saying it doesn't. I'm
just I like to think at what's different, now, what's
not different?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
No, you wouldn't, right, you think he was an opener
to not right?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And then it also shows it's like, you know, uh,
here we are in a bar on Saturday night and
there's just thirty something women every where just hoping to
meet their man. I know, it's kind of crazy, right,
but I mean this was the background of you know,
nineteen ninety nine. This was like the we still hadn't
kind of gotten away from it, do you know what
I'm saying. Yeah, I mean obviously our four characters in
(04:15):
each and every one, not my character as much, but
the other three trying to get away from it, trying
to create their own destiny, you know, make choices. But
I don't think that was the place that we were
coming from. And that's why our show was like kind
of shocking or whatever. So I love all of this opening.
Then we see Samantha. She's on a date with a
very handsome man who is named Harrison his character and
(04:37):
he's a litigator and they make some weird jokes about
a sexual this conversation. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I was like, this is a dicey conversation today, but like,
Samantha finds it hilarious, hilarious until he says.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
That she seems like she might be forty one. Yeah,
and then she's upset and it just broke my heart
because she's so perfect. Who doesn't really look forty one?
Forty one mean it means nothing. That's still really young. Yeah, young,
So you don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
No, no, no, no, no, I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I mean what I mean, forty one is nothing. He's like, well,
you you know you're an older woman, you might be
forty one.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Like it's like, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
But then we find out from Carrie that no, Samantha
has been turning thirty five for so many years now, okay.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Also, can I say that that shot of her debating
what to say there is so long. I was like
if I asked my friend how old do I look?
And they take that long, and they took that long,
and they like first there lived. It was so funny.
I was like, so right, it was amazing.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
You're so right. Well, there's some voiceover, so she's got it.
She's gotta make it worse. Hell no, you're right, it
was too long. I didn't think about that. I was
just thinking of the tragedy of the fact that she's
upset that she might look forty one. I'm just thinking
about how wrong and messed up that is. That's what
I was thinking about. Oh yeah, but that's because I'm,
(06:01):
you know, over forty one. So so they're there then
oh then okay. Then she goes back to his apartment,
so he says, you might be forty one. She gets
kind of offended, and she has to excuse herself to
the bathroom. She looks in the mirror. She touches her face,
which we're gonna see Samantha do many times over the years.
Touches her face. She's thinking about, you know, how old
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do I look? Do I need to do something to myself?
She goes back out. It's so crazy. She goes back out.
The bedroom's empty, She's looking around and the camera. This
is an Alan could thing. The camera kind of like
swings around her in a really cool way that's very organic,
you know, very much in sync with how Kim is
moving in the scene, right, and it swings around. You
see that the whole bedroom is empty, and she's kind
(06:43):
of looking around, and he calls to her from a door,
and she.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Opens this door and somehow's chained himself up in like
a you know, BDSM type situation in his own closet,
and he wants her to slap him really hard.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Oh my gosh. I was just like our show was crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Okay, what a thing to walk into.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Wait, because nineteen ninety nine you just were not seeing
this on television.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
But just also like just just in general and life.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I know I can't walk into that.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I probably can't. It's never happened to me. But I
mean I feel like now there's a lot more room
for people to have whatever they're into. But I also
feel like you wouldn't just bring that on somebody like that,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, also after like they might have been clearly offend.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I don't. I don't know. She really covers pretty well,
you know what I mean, But she clearly was just
going to do what he was going to do. I mean,
which is the theme of the men in the first
couple of years of our show. They're just on their
own wavelength. They're going to do their thing, and we're
either going to come along or we're not, you know
what I'm saying. So Samantha doesn't seem that into it.
She's not. She's not digging it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
So kind of a surprise.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
It's a surprise, for sure. And Samantha often is very
you know, amenable, but not this particular time, right, So
so she now we're at her party. She throws a party,
and Samantha's telling Miranda and Carrie about Harrison. I'm not
there because I'm off meeting mister Pussy. I thought to myself,
like every time we have a scene in the beginning
(08:12):
with them, I'm like, darn it, I didn't get to
be that scene because I wassed to feel like I
wouldn't be get to be in all the group scenes.
And then I show up. I'm like, oh, thank god,
I'm at the bar. I'm there. I'm there, so I come.
They're talking about it, and this is when Miranda says
they're all freaks in her very Miranda way, and then
she says, if a man is over thirty and single,
there's something wrong with him. And Carrie asks, but what
(08:34):
about us, I know, and Miranda says, we're all just
choosy and she totally believes it, and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, such right, such perfect writing. I know, it's perfect audience.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
And the thing I also love about this theme is
that in the beginning, yes, it does seem like the
men are freaky, and as the show goes along, we
also see a female version of freaky. And at the
very end, she has this beautiful voice over where she says,
you know, in the end, aren't we all freaks? And
we're just looking for someone to love our three heads?
(09:06):
It's so great. It's so great. I love that it
ends like that, but it's it's a journey. So we're here.
I show up and I say, you know that I've
met someone amazing Mitch Saylor, and Samantha says, what, Oh
my gosh, that is mister pussy. He's a legend. And
I'm like, what do you mean, and she says, what
he's a legend at and then I'm embarrassed and I'm like, oh,
(09:29):
I don't know if I can date him, then you know,
this is like Charlotte when she's really torn between You're
so brutish, thank you, She's torn like I don't know,
I don't know if I could do this. And then
we have one of the many, many close ups of
this very nice actor eating some crazy food and in
this case, it's an oyster. And I remember this like
(09:50):
it was yesterday because there were so many takes where
he had we all had to watch him and he's
just like doing some stuff to that oyster and or
later on that fig and we just we all have
to watch him, and it was a lot. I was like,
I was like, no, no, that was my thought. I'm
just thinking, no, no, I couldn't do that. I know
this actor was committed.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, I'm Charlie proud of I know.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Oh listen, we found some committed male actors, okay, and
this guy was top of the list. I mean, he
committed to that in every scene without apology. It was
impressive but also slightly scary. So this is when this
very wait, oh, this is interesting. We have an adorable
(10:37):
scene of Carrie getting dressed, which I really love because
this is where you see sir Jessica's true creativity have
you ever noticed? Probably not, because you don't. You're not
rewatching all of them. There's scenes where she's getting dressed
and there's a voice over and she finds creative ways
to move about the apartment, finding her different pieces of
clothing that are slung around. She bumps into walls, she
trips over things. This is, sir, Jessica's like super special
(11:00):
physical comedy, which she will tell you she does not have,
but she one hundred percent is a skilled physical idea is.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
The worst lie she's ever told.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
It's true. It's true because she's just so brilliant at
it and it's so creative because think about, like when
I get dressed, I'm super boring, Jared. I'm saying, you know,
the clothes are like in one area and I put
them on or whatever, I look at them. I might
take them back off, but it's not so interesting. Like
she's so dynamic. It's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
So we have a I betye' with a kill anyway.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
No, So then she says that she's going on the
first blind date she's been on in two years now.
I feel this is because Carrie's pretty good at finding
some men to date. She doesn't really need blind dates,
but she's trying something different because she's broken up with
Big right, She's trying to like reset her dating life.
So she goes out with this documentarian who made a
(11:50):
documentary about seagulls. And then it's telling her like, I
care about making money, you know, I'm just trying to
make it to the action movies. And she goes really innocently,
but what about the seagulls, And he's like the seagulls
and he's smoking in her face. I'm like, oh, bad, bad.
So she doesn't like him, so then she goes on
the oh the movie date. They're standing in line at
(12:11):
the movie theater. I know, a big red flag. I know.
If this guy just starts shouting at these guys standing behind,
I know, but this is also a nineteen ninety nine thing.
She still just stands there with them. She looks embarrassed.
But like today, if someone just started shouting like angrily,
like basically trying to excite the guy behind you who
(12:33):
did nothing, you would leave. Oh yeah, like no woman
or man really like it would not be okay, right,
but also you would be like red flag, like you said,
but back then we were just like, oh, that guy's angry.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I mean, like you might check like, hey, are you okay,
like what's going on with you? But that's like you'd
probably just get out of there.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Right, But she's just like, oh dear, you know. And
then she goes like the man with two faces.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
It's crazy how much you guys deal with or.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Dealt with past ten. So that way, because it's a
different time now, it's a different time. Yes. Then she
goes on a date with this guy Max, who's really handsome.
They're basically at the Strand Bookstore, which is a famous,
(13:22):
famous landmark. I think they're there or there are some
less interesting books. I think they are, too right, okay, good?
And he puts a book in the back of.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
His pants he steals and he's like a millionaire or something.
He's like already rich. So he's just a klepto, I know.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
And also I feel like, now you just be like no,
you just feel like no, And I mean she is.
She doesn't go out with him again, but she doesn't leave.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
That's true, she know, I mean, like, but part of
that is like the most interesting thing about Carrie is
that like she's just experimenting, right, and so she just
prays things out because she just wants to know how
crazy things will get.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
No, I think you're absolutely right. I think she wants
to write about it.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, exactly, And it's such a good avenue for like
crazy dramas that like probably wouldn't happen today because you know,
just way to stand for it.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
You're absolutely right. So then she does look straight at
the camera, which I was taken aback. I thought we
were done with this looking at the straight at the camera,
but we're in second season. She looks straight at the
camera and she says, Okay, now, I was afraid over
the book stealing, which is kind of funny. She wasn't
afraid over the guy WHOI almost hit the guy, She's
afraid of the book stealing. So then she goes home
(14:32):
and looks at this book about actual circus freak shows,
which is kind of funny and I enjoy. It's very
Allen culture. I'm gonna ask him about it when we
talk to him. Cut to Charlotte is with mister Pussy
in bed, and obviously she's gonna do the work. She's
going to try to do it, even though she told
the girls that she wasn't going to and he tells
(14:53):
her to relax, which is kind of funny. I'm like,
does he know who he's talking to? I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Fine, I know all the nervous giggling that.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
You listen that was real, okay, and watching that's that's
Kristin dying. Yeah, it's Kristin dying that I am having
to try to act like someone is going down on
me and I'm going to come on camera. I'm that's
a very difficult dying.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Difficult situation.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Giggle, nervous giggle, nervous giggle, which is exactly what Charlotte's
going through, which is good. But then it says that
the montage of Midge going down and apparently we don't talk,
which we find out later, which is pretty entertaining as well,
like there's no conversation, it's just this, it's just funny.
And then it starts the exactly the voiceover says that
(15:40):
that he goes down to me every day and that
on Monday Friday, I Charlotte came seven times, which wow, okay,
I know. First season I had my day where a
week maybe when I was addicted to the rabbit. Now
I'm addicted to mister Pussy, you know, and people think
I'm the prude because that's like out you really.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I mean, like, come on, we also talked about We've
talked about it so many times on this podcast. Already
up the butt, Like it's just like all these things.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
We're like, really slash Cavy, you've talked about show, but
you know, I don't. This is like if my real
daughters this tar, I would diag no, it's a dormab.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I know, this is this. The nervous giggle just came out.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
That was it.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
That was it, That was it.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
That was totally It's so real.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
We're like, it's actually great to Also, Charlotte's character is
so fun because like you know, if you're a woman
and you have been in this situation, like that's the
the first time that you let yourself go like that.
It's like there's so much giggling with any kind of sex,
you know, like there's.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
It's true and it's fun. We got to show it, yeah,
because I feel like sometimes film and TV it's just
all like oh passion, passion and not real. Yeah. Yeah,
you're absolutely right. Yeah, you're absolutely right. It's very relatable,
very relatable. Okay. So now luckily we move on to
Carry and she's a Central Park sitting by Bethesda Fountain
I believe, or maybe is it is it Bethesda? I
(17:18):
think it's Bethesda, And this adorable guy in glasses is
sitting near her. His name is Ben. The character's name
is Ben, and they start chatting, which is so old
school New York. Know, it's cute, but also I was
a little worried, like I don't I didn't remember this
storyline at all for her, like, I don't recognize that guy.
I have no idea who he is. We could look
(17:40):
up his name, but I don't remember anything about her storyline.
So I was watching it as if for the first time.
And the days where you know, you have no phone, right,
You're just sitting there looking out in the distance, right,
and then some guy just chats with you. It's crazy
like a stranger.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It really would. It's not as easy today, And that's
the same thing. So that was also like one of
the reasons why I was like, whoa mister pussy has,
like Trevor, like just conversations about this man some woman
in the bathroom just over heres and joins in your conversation,
these kinds of things. It's like it's a little bit
harder now, Like that's true, but I will say that
New York is still more open to that maybe, like
(18:21):
people just kept starting people.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
People are chatting with me in the elevator yesterday, and
I don't think they recognize me.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Oh that's lovely.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
I mean, I'm not sure, but I think I think.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I mean, I would believe it because I think people
miss that too.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I think so teenage.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
So it's nice to see it on camera.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I agree. I agree, it's really durable. So these two
Ben and Carrie start comparing their bad dates, and he
says he dated a crazy one and she's like, oh yeah,
I dated a crazy one and then he was dealing
books or whatever she says. And then he says he
actually doesn't date because women are bizarre, which is kind
of funny. And then of course Carrie looks like super normal.
(19:00):
So then he says he asks her out on a
non date, and she says a non no, which is
so charming and adorable, I know, so cute.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
There's a line where she brings up the freaks in
the circus, the world's fattest twins. Yes, and how they
managed to.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Find husbands yeah yes.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, yeah yeah, and that they were skinny. And he
says this line, which is like such a brilliant you
can interpret it different ways, but like maybe it was
an optical illusion.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Oh my god, yes, And I.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Like upon rewatch. I was so curious if that is
in reference, like the audience is seeing like an optical illusion,
or if it's that the spouses just like couldn't if
like that was the idea.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I don't know, we have to ask Jenny Biggs.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
And it's good because it's just like the two ways
of thinking about this whole thing is like whether or not,
you know, like Marana thinks there are people who are
freaks and there are people who are not freaks, and
we just haven't found the non freaks yet and versus
maybe you just like kind of convince yourself that like
(20:10):
people aren't freaks, or or like you just don't think
about them being freaks because you love them so much,
you know, all these things. Yes, I just really like
that one line. I think it's great that actually I
gotta talk to Jenny Picks. I don't know, I don't know, definitely.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
And also I thought part of the reason is so
good is because you can see how Ben and Carry,
the two characters are kind of on the same wave
length and could work out, which is why it's said
what happens because they're kind of meeting in a really interesting,
kind of somewhat intellectual kind of way, like a theoretical
intellectual you know, kind of interesting way, which is not
(20:47):
how she usually meets people. Yes, right, so that's why
it was like kind of hopeful. But then it doesn't
go great, but we'll get to that, all right. We're
cut to Samantha who runs into this lady on the
sho street who literally I think my hairdresser did her
hair because we have the exact same hair. Like I
thought it was me for a second, like, oh no,
that's not me. I have like a weird little flip
(21:09):
going on. I don't know what happened to Charlotte's hair.
It's like flat to my head and then.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Just flips this the strong side part.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, oh waist like super side part. I know. I
don't know what was happening there. But this lady who
runs into Samantha also has that hairdo looks very nice,
and Samantha says, oh my god, you look amazing. Elie says, Oh,
I just had this wonderful thing done. I had the
fat take it out of my butt and put in
my face. And she's like, and the best thing is
you can eat a cheeseburger and then boom, it's in
(21:39):
your face. It's so good. It's so funny and weird.
But I do remember this time because back then you
didn't talk about plastic surgery everywhere with everyone the way
that people do now, Like now Instagram is all like
people's new faces blah blah blah blah blah. We didn't
have Instagram, right, But I remember when fat trans became
(22:00):
like this new thing. We were like what they do? What? Like,
are you kidding me? It was a crazy idea. And
there were people around, like Upper East Side Manhattan, which
is where Samantha is, when she runs into this lady
doing it, and we were like, oh, so and so
did it? Are you kidding me? We've got to see
her face? Like we were fascinated. This was the first
(22:22):
time that I remember, separate from like boob jobs that
you would hear about people doing, you know, that would
been a thing for a while. This is the first
thing that I remember hearing about like face wise, that
people we knew who were not that much older than
us were actually doing that. We were just like, oh
my god, Wow, it was big news, you know what
(22:43):
I'm saying. So they wrote it into the show, which
I thought was great. And obviously now this is very
not interesting, I guess comment.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I mean, like I also think, I guess it is common,
but it's also like people get a lot of more
butt injections and like the way that well, listen, this
is swung over.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Right, but that yes, because then Samantha says something like
all this time, we've been trying to hide the fat
in our buscher.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Maybe Randa said it right.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
But now I mean, this is not true anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Oh yeah, you want that there, or like some people
want that there, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Not everybody, right, But I mean I spent at least
a decade trying to hide my ass on the television.
Like I had a boyfriend at one point who was like,
I don't like your TV butt as much. I like
the regular one. And I was like, well, that's why
I'm with you. Yeah, I mean one of the reasons,
but you don't have a thing. It was a nice
compliment because I really thought that, like that was not
(23:34):
supposed to be there, Like you had to hide that thing.
So Samantha tells us all that she is going to
be getting the fat transfer, that she's already gotten a
light bow and she's wearing a girdle and we have
(23:55):
to see her in her girdle, which is really entertaining.
They shoot it very tastefully, and then I say that
I'm that I'm meeting Mitch. I'm calling him Mitch, And
then I think, I Charlotte think that we have a
future together, and they all are just like ugh, and
Samantha very smartly says, you cannot have a future with
mister pussy because you haven't even been out to dinner
(24:17):
or know anything about each other, and she is so right, right.
So then the weirdly Carrie goes on to double date
and tries to set Miranda up with a friend of Ben's,
her glasses guy, and this guy is really cute but
he has never left Manhattan, which the girls think is bad,
which I'm like, that's so weird that they think it's bad.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Well, but it's like, I think it's one thing to
not leave, but like another thing to like. Also, Scoff
that's true, somewhere.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Else to be so aggressive about. Like this guy's very mad, right,
very mad. But it's funny because I always think of
them as being so our girls are so Manhattanites, you
know what I mean? But whatever, they're like that guy's
angry whatever. So then I do love this. Miranda says
that she has to go home and feed her cat,
which we learned from the voiceover is the code that
(25:04):
Miranda and Carrie have together.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Have a code?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Did you know? No? I mean I think we would
just look at each other and just be like.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, it's true by guys, Like if we were in
that kind of situation, your date probably wasn't even like
paying enough attention.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
To write to you were like, hey, totally, totally. No,
I don't think I was creative enough to have a code,
but I do think it's a really good thing to
have with your friends. I think it's a good, good idea.
So then poor Charlotte tries to go on a dinner
date with mister Pussy and it doesn't go well because
he has nothing to say.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
He just wants to eat a peach or like what, yeah,
this is a big At that point, I think, yeah,
it's a fig and it is it's a lot going on,
and I'm sitting real close to him, and I had
to just try to keep it together, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
So then poor Samantha has to go off to the
plastic surgeon and then she says that it's like shopping,
so she wants to see what else she could get
while she's there, and he draws all kind of crazy
pictures on her. And then you see sweet Samantha who's
so perfect looking in the mirror, and she seems really sad.
So I felt really bad for her. I felt bad
for her a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
It's actually a really sad episode that with the body
shaming there, and like.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I mean, look, this is this is our culture. This
was for reals, like the two thousands. I mean there
are people on the Instagram also like the two thousands
with the low cut jeans. Yes, it was terrorizing, Okay
you were too young.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Well yes, but I saw it, Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
So let's go on with the show. So then, oh,
this is adorable. So this is when Carrie's with the
guy in the Glasses Bend she spent the night. It's
gone really well, he's adorable. He has to go to
his I believe his soccer game or his football game
or something in the morning, and he leaves her there,
and very much like that early episode where Miranda goes
looking through her dates, private belongings, Carrie just rips through
(26:59):
this man's thing, I mean, with abandon. She's like like,
she's like the FBI searching for clues, you know, for
a murderer, right like, it's a lot, it's a lot.
She gets carried away to.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Use a phrase, why they named her Carrie.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Nope, okay, it comes later. That comes later, But she
also in the voiceover, says that she's taken over with
the need to find this man's particular freaky side.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Now she's scared that they're all freaks, and so she's
trying to find the clues to what kind of freak
is he? At which point, of course, he comes back
in the apartment and he's so devastated. And I felt
really bad for this guy because he's like, you seem normal,
and she says, yeah, I was.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I'm sad.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
It's so sad and so sweet at the same time.
And then she has to leave and I'm like, couldn't
they try harder? Couldn't they have a deeper conversation, you know, Yeah,
he I guess didn't want.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
But also I got a I mean, well, I guess
because it was found their spark was founded on the
fact that they were both sick of freaks, right, So
I got I understand where he's coming from.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
It's a good point.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, but I also like, Okay, I gotta say the
way that they like shot this, the style is different
with Alan Coulter. Yeah, and like it's very apparent and
like Carrie, I don't know if this wasn't I read
it like she really wasn't actually as passionate in this episode,
Like there was something about it where like it felt
(28:28):
their chemistry was sweet, but I didn't feel anything. No,
you're so right, And I actually was like, oh, they're
really painting it. They're like, oh, if you're not a freak,
you're just so boring. This guy played it perfectly. The
guy played it perfectly. But I was just like, I
don't remember who you don't even know.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I don't remember him at all. No, he made no
impression on me. She's so boring. I know. That's interesting.
I hadn't thought of that. Yeah, but I think That's
also why I thought, oh, maybe this is good and
then and then suddenly it's not. But I also think,
you know, this reminds me of something Sarah said to
me when I tried to talk to her about Big,
And of course she's been in it so long. I
don't know why I thought she could talk objectively about Big,
(29:04):
but one of the things she did say was that
Carrie is exotic to Big. Right. Big is not creative.
Big is not you know, full of feelings and conflicted
and all the different things that Carrie is. Right, so
she's exotic to him, which I kind of forget about.
And then like, if you think about this with this guy,
she's too much for that guy. Yeah, you know, yeah,
(29:28):
And that's why her freaky side comes out, like trying
to find the secrets that he's keeping because he seems
so normal, but I think in reality he was just
normal and possibly boring.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
He wants to go see a soccer game, like I
feel like in nineteen ninety nine, that's that's supposed to
mean that you're kind.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Of No, No, that was super common, but that's what
I'm saying, right, No, I just mean, like all the
crazy people went to the soccer games and the baseball
games as well, Like on the weekend in Central Park,
like that thing was full of people playing soccer and baseball. Okay, okay, okay,
in the olden days, you know it really was, It wasn't.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I just don't know how to get out of my
understand hubble whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
My Yeah, your apartment. You don't want to go, No,
I do.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I Actually I don't want to be homebody.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I don't want to go to many people.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Who are like active and good with I don't know
what to say anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
You're funny, you're double. This is what happens towards the
end of a podcast. You're just saying stuff. You don't
know what. Let me just read the last thing. This
is good. No, this is how I feel too, voiceover
of Carrie's saying, I became the woman, the frightening woman
whose fear ate her sanity. That's a pretty deep She's
a very interesting thing. I mean, I think I've definitely
(30:38):
felt that way before in my life. Where if you haven't, what.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
If you haven't, you're not examining yourself closely enough.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Most definitely, No, No, I do think that's true. But
I also think like, if you've lived at all, right
and taken chances, taking risks, gone out of your comfort zone,
you know, been vulnerable to somebody like you, You're going
to feel a little crazy at some point. Yeah, you
know you're gonna feel a little crazy, a little freakish.
You're gonna lose your sanity. This is all part of it.
And then she says the adorable thing about how if
(31:08):
you're single, everyone gets freaked out from time to time,
but you can still have hope. It's adorable, but a
little bit sad, but adorable. I loved all of our storylines.
I thought they were super interesting. Yeah, I mean, did
you think how young we were when you watch this?
Were you like look at them the little children?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Well, okay, part of it is also on this show
most of the time, I'm getting to see you be
my mom. Yes, and then this episode you not your mom. No, no, no,
you are.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Not missing like you really are not.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
And and so it was it's always like fun on
the rewatch, like just seeing as we talked about on
I guess the previous episode. Yeah, your growth of like
you're experiencing so many new things, but at the same time,
like you've had this you've always had this like desire
(32:07):
for like a family, and like watching that version of
a woman who like also gets to be kind of
like kiddish at times. And this episode, yeah, you know,
like it's it's very endearing to like see that through
line though.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeay for sure, Yeah, I agree. I mean, yeah, Charlotte
definitely has her hope, and she has her her innocent
side and also her fear. You know, she has some
fear about things, but she also tries stuff, which is
you know, great, that's you're not a.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Prude who says that you're really not approved?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Thank you, Kathy. I agree. So many people for like
ten years thought thought that Charlotte was a prude, and
wherever I went, they'd be like, oh, you're the prude,
and I'd be like, whatever.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I guess you're the prude in the sense that, like
sometimes you don't like talking about it, right, but you
actually just love doing it.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I feel like that's what well. I think Also, it's
all in relationship, right, So Samantha talks a big game,
but then sometimes in these early episodes you really see
the vulnerable side of her two you know, which I
think is also like just the great writing and acting
of everybody like everyone has both sides, right, But I
think because there were four of us and we were
(33:18):
all so different, everyone kind of got pigeonholed, like, oh,
Charlotte is the prude, it wants to get married. Veranda
is the cynic, you know, Carrie is the dreamer whatever.
I don't know what they think of whatever. I don't
know how to describe Gary the complicated one. And Samantha
is the you know how what are the how do
we describe Samantha? She's the you know, the or free
(33:42):
she's free, Daniel, how would you she's the free spirit, yes,
free spirit, and she's she's she's bold. She does whatever
she wants without apology.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
In her work too, it's the same, like it's the
same for sure.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Very bold. Yeah, I agree, she's bold and doesn't apologize,
takes no prisoners.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I know even some of them will just show up
in a closet for her.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
She need do, no, she doesn't need to do what
a woman. Well, Kathy, thank you for being with us
for a whole adventure. It's a fun day.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
This was a really fun day with us. I love
hanging out with you. I love hanging out with you.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Also, I love to hear a different perspective from a
much younger person on our old episodes. It's really helpful.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Well I feel like we're on the same page.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
We definitely are, but it's interesting just to hear you go,
oh yeah, no, that wouldn't be okay now, like you know,
it's just like a no brainer for you. Oh yeah no,
that would be a red flag, you know, Like that's
what I love about your generation. You're just like, yeah, no,
that's not good, No, that's not okay.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
It's because shows like this have existed where the people
started examining the behavior. I cannot believe. I mean every
person that I talk to, and there's so many people
who are my age who are watching it for the
first time and they're like, this was twenty years ago,
this is so oh yeah, this is oh my goodness.
(35:10):
Yeah yeah, yeah, this was thirty years ago, and they're like, amaze,
how relevant it is relevant it is today, And then like, yeah,
it's just it's complicated. The story is complicated, and like
it's like such a deep dive into romance.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
I know, and expectations. Yeah yeah, now.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I didn't think about that growing up.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
No, I don't think I thought about these things growing up,
either yeah, yeah, or like.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I didn't have the foresight to question societal dating behavior.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I had the foresight to question some assumptions because I
grew up in this very southern thing where everyone was
expected to get married at the first possible chance, which
I just thought was very, very weird. So I was like, no, yeah,
that was me though, Yeah, wasn't anybody else that I knew?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
You know what I mean, that's why you're on the show.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
That is why I'm on the show. That is why
I'm on the show. That's why I'm so lucky that
I found the show. I mean, obviously lucky in many
different ways, but yeah, it really I really was like, yes,
this is special, this is different. I love it. I know,
thank you, thank you. We'll have to have you back.
I don't know when we're going to go back to work.
I know we'll just be here.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
May happen. Yeah, if not, then we'll just start our
own podcast.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Totally. You would Alexa could have a young person's podcast.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Oh my god, you know, we can do a multi
generational three of us if we do one. Can you imagine?
Speaker 1 (36:46):
It's so funny? Yeah, I can't even imagine what she
was would just.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Do so like half of the time I would just
be asking, like, what does that word mean that you
just came up with? Please please update me on the slang, which.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I know what everyone says, but it's I know, I
know her group has a different I know, Gemma, my
daughter has the same group, and yeah she has to.
She gives me definitions. You know that's good.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
That's really sweet of Gemma.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
It is it is kids.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Could you please keep doing that without judging us first.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
They judge like they judge it. Okay, they roll arrive,
It's fine, fine, I.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Get it all right.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Thanks everyone for joining us. Come back next time.
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
you a Charlotte. Kathyang is here with us. She plays
Lily on in jes like that my pretend daughter. That's
what we call you about my house. I say, I'm
going to go see my pretend daughter in New York.
They're like, oh, my mother, like she might. No, No,
(00:21):
they like you. They're just a little thrown off, you know,
they're my real children. They're like, oh, okay, the pretend daughter. Okay,
but you know, this is the weirdness of having a
mom as an actress. Actress mom, weird things happen. Okay,
we're going to discuss an episode from the second season.
This episode two of three is called The Freak Show
(00:43):
and it's really good. It aired on June twentieth, nineteen
ninety nine. You guys. Wow, Oh it kills me when
I say these dates. So the synopsis is basically is
New York full of freaks. Carrie, Charlotte, Miranda, and Samantha
all date a different kind of quote freak and wonder
(01:04):
are they freaks as well. It's a great synopsis, you guys.
And this is directed by one of my favorite directors,
Alan Colter, who we are going to have on the
podcast soon. I'm so excited. He made a huge difference.
He came in on the on the show in the
first season and really shifted the show, like his kind
of way that he moved the camera, the way that
he spoke to us. He's the first person who spoke
(01:26):
to us about talking fast and walking slow in the
walk and talks because you run out of space. Yeah,
if you walk as fast as you're talking, because you
tend to want to keep the rhythm the same. But
you have to teach yourself to move your feet slower
and let your mouth go quick.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
You're not a human, You're like, yes, you are.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
You are not a normal human. It's true. There's also
written by Jenniebigs, the Great Jenniebigs. Yay, okay, this is
a crazy episode because this is when my character dates
someone that we call mister Pussy. Oh yeah, so Charlie
Schroeder played mister Pussy. He did a real name was
(02:04):
Mitchell Saylor, but really everyone calls her calls him mister Pussy,
and he is like a legend apparently, which is interesting.
But can you I can actually I can't. I do
think it's real. See, this is when we're still in
the era of storylines that were actually based on Kannas's
column and Candice knowing people and having these stories be
(02:27):
real stories from life. WHOA, yeah, that is crippy.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
That is a moniker for you.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
That's totally right. So all of us have really really fascinating,
fascinating storylines I think in this episode. And so Carrie
the thing. There's so many things I love about this episode,
but one of them is the way that it begins
as Carrie's voiceover, of course, and she's talking about dating
in Manhattan, and we see images of Ellis Island, which
is so crazy, and then it bleeds into a couple
(02:58):
like a CPA looking photograph leads into actual extras in
the show that are dressed in ways that look like
they're you know, like term the century. It's fascinating, and
it's talking about everyone came with a dream. And then
she talks about how single women dream of getting married,
which I'm just like, wow, would we write that today?
I don't know, what do you think, Kathy, would we
(03:19):
write that today for your generation? Do you feel?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
I mean, well, A part of it is also like
I don't think that my generation always thinks that way.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
That's what I mean. Yeah, right, And there's more options.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I gee, there's a lot of options.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
But I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
I mean, like the thing is that the show was
featuring women who, like we're you were looking at those stories,
so like it still makes sense.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Oh it makes sense. I'm not saying it doesn't. I'm
just I like to think at what's different, now, what's
not different?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
No, you wouldn't, right, you think he was an opener
to not right?
Speaker 1 (03:53):
And then it also shows it's like, you know, uh,
here we are in a bar on Saturday night and
there's just thirty something women every where just hoping to
meet their man. I know, it's kind of crazy, right,
but I mean this was the background of you know,
nineteen ninety nine. This was like the we still hadn't
kind of gotten away from it, do you know what
I'm saying. Yeah, I mean obviously our four characters in
(04:15):
each and every one, not my character as much, but
the other three trying to get away from it, trying
to create their own destiny, you know, make choices. But
I don't think that was the place that we were
coming from. And that's why our show was like kind
of shocking or whatever. So I love all of this opening.
Then we see Samantha. She's on a date with a
very handsome man who is named Harrison his character and
(04:37):
he's a litigator and they make some weird jokes about
a sexual this conversation. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I was like, this is a dicey conversation today, but like,
Samantha finds it hilarious, hilarious until he says.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
That she seems like she might be forty one. Yeah,
and then she's upset and it just broke my heart
because she's so perfect. Who doesn't really look forty one?
Forty one mean it means nothing. That's still really young. Yeah, young,
So you don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
No, no, no, no, no, I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
I mean what I mean, forty one is nothing. He's like, well,
you you know you're an older woman, you might be
forty one.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Like it's like, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
But then we find out from Carrie that no, Samantha
has been turning thirty five for so many years now, okay.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Also, can I say that that shot of her debating
what to say there is so long. I was like
if I asked my friend how old do I look?
And they take that long, and they took that long,
and they like first there lived. It was so funny.
I was like, so right, it was amazing.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
You're so right. Well, there's some voiceover, so she's got it.
She's gotta make it worse. Hell no, you're right, it
was too long. I didn't think about that. I was
just thinking of the tragedy of the fact that she's
upset that she might look forty one. I'm just thinking
about how wrong and messed up that is. That's what
I was thinking about. Oh yeah, but that's because I'm,
(06:01):
you know, over forty one. So so they're there then
oh then okay. Then she goes back to his apartment,
so he says, you might be forty one. She gets
kind of offended, and she has to excuse herself to
the bathroom. She looks in the mirror. She touches her face,
which we're gonna see Samantha do many times over the years.
Touches her face. She's thinking about, you know, how old
(06:21):
do I look? Do I need to do something to myself?
She goes back out. It's so crazy. She goes back out.
The bedroom's empty, She's looking around and the camera. This
is an Alan could thing. The camera kind of like
swings around her in a really cool way that's very organic,
you know, very much in sync with how Kim is
moving in the scene, right, and it swings around. You
see that the whole bedroom is empty, and she's kind
(06:43):
of looking around, and he calls to her from a door,
and she.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Opens this door and somehow's chained himself up in like
a you know, BDSM type situation in his own closet,
and he wants her to slap him really hard.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Oh my gosh. I was just like our show was crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Okay, what a thing to walk into.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Wait, because nineteen ninety nine you just were not seeing
this on television.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
But just also like just just in general and life.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
I know I can't walk into that.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I probably can't. It's never happened to me. But I
mean I feel like now there's a lot more room
for people to have whatever they're into. But I also
feel like you wouldn't just bring that on somebody like that,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, also after like they might have been clearly offend.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I don't. I don't know. She really covers pretty well,
you know what I mean, But she clearly was just
going to do what he was going to do. I mean,
which is the theme of the men in the first
couple of years of our show. They're just on their
own wavelength. They're going to do their thing, and we're
either going to come along or we're not, you know
what I'm saying. So Samantha doesn't seem that into it.
She's not. She's not digging it.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
So kind of a surprise.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
It's a surprise, for sure. And Samantha often is very
you know, amenable, but not this particular time, right, So
so she now we're at her party. She throws a party,
and Samantha's telling Miranda and Carrie about Harrison. I'm not
there because I'm off meeting mister Pussy. I thought to myself,
like every time we have a scene in the beginning
(08:12):
with them, I'm like, darn it, I didn't get to
be that scene because I wassed to feel like I
wouldn't be get to be in all the group scenes.
And then I show up. I'm like, oh, thank god,
I'm at the bar. I'm there. I'm there, so I come.
They're talking about it, and this is when Miranda says
they're all freaks in her very Miranda way, and then
she says, if a man is over thirty and single,
there's something wrong with him. And Carrie asks, but what
(08:34):
about us, I know, and Miranda says, we're all just
choosy and she totally believes it, and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, such right, such perfect writing. I know, it's perfect audience.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
And the thing I also love about this theme is
that in the beginning, yes, it does seem like the
men are freaky, and as the show goes along, we
also see a female version of freaky. And at the
very end, she has this beautiful voice over where she says,
you know, in the end, aren't we all freaks? And
we're just looking for someone to love our three heads?
(09:06):
It's so great. It's so great. I love that it
ends like that, but it's it's a journey. So we're here.
I show up and I say, you know that I've
met someone amazing Mitch Saylor, and Samantha says, what, Oh
my gosh, that is mister pussy. He's a legend. And
I'm like, what do you mean, and she says, what
he's a legend at and then I'm embarrassed and I'm like, oh,
(09:29):
I don't know if I can date him, then you know,
this is like Charlotte when she's really torn between You're
so brutish, thank you, She's torn like I don't know,
I don't know if I could do this. And then
we have one of the many, many close ups of
this very nice actor eating some crazy food and in
this case, it's an oyster. And I remember this like
(09:50):
it was yesterday because there were so many takes where
he had we all had to watch him and he's
just like doing some stuff to that oyster and or
later on that fig and we just we all have
to watch him, and it was a lot. I was like,
I was like, no, no, that was my thought. I'm
just thinking, no, no, I couldn't do that. I know
this actor was committed.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, I'm Charlie proud of I know.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Oh listen, we found some committed male actors, okay, and
this guy was top of the list. I mean, he
committed to that in every scene without apology. It was
impressive but also slightly scary. So this is when this
very wait, oh, this is interesting. We have an adorable
(10:37):
scene of Carrie getting dressed, which I really love because
this is where you see sir Jessica's true creativity have
you ever noticed? Probably not, because you don't. You're not
rewatching all of them. There's scenes where she's getting dressed
and there's a voice over and she finds creative ways
to move about the apartment, finding her different pieces of
clothing that are slung around. She bumps into walls, she
trips over things. This is, sir, Jessica's like super special
(11:00):
physical comedy, which she will tell you she does not have,
but she one hundred percent is a skilled physical idea is.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
The worst lie she's ever told.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
It's true. It's true because she's just so brilliant at
it and it's so creative because think about, like when
I get dressed, I'm super boring, Jared. I'm saying, you know,
the clothes are like in one area and I put
them on or whatever, I look at them. I might
take them back off, but it's not so interesting. Like
she's so dynamic. It's very interesting.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
So we have a I betye' with a kill anyway.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
No, So then she says that she's going on the
first blind date she's been on in two years now.
I feel this is because Carrie's pretty good at finding
some men to date. She doesn't really need blind dates,
but she's trying something different because she's broken up with
Big right, She's trying to like reset her dating life.
So she goes out with this documentarian who made a
(11:50):
documentary about seagulls. And then it's telling her like, I
care about making money, you know, I'm just trying to
make it to the action movies. And she goes really innocently,
but what about the seagulls, And he's like the seagulls
and he's smoking in her face. I'm like, oh, bad, bad.
So she doesn't like him, so then she goes on
the oh the movie date. They're standing in line at
(12:11):
the movie theater. I know, a big red flag. I know.
If this guy just starts shouting at these guys standing behind,
I know, but this is also a nineteen ninety nine thing.
She still just stands there with them. She looks embarrassed.
But like today, if someone just started shouting like angrily,
like basically trying to excite the guy behind you who
(12:33):
did nothing, you would leave. Oh yeah, like no woman
or man really like it would not be okay, right,
but also you would be like red flag, like you said,
but back then we were just like, oh, that guy's angry.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
I mean, like you might check like, hey, are you okay,
like what's going on with you? But that's like you'd
probably just get out of there.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Right, But she's just like, oh dear, you know. And
then she goes like the man with two faces.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
It's crazy how much you guys deal with or.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Dealt with past ten. So that way, because it's a
different time now, it's a different time. Yes. Then she
goes on a date with this guy Max, who's really handsome.
They're basically at the Strand Bookstore, which is a famous,
(13:22):
famous landmark. I think they're there or there are some
less interesting books. I think they are, too right, okay, good?
And he puts a book in the back of.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
His pants he steals and he's like a millionaire or something.
He's like already rich. So he's just a klepto, I know.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
And also I feel like, now you just be like no,
you just feel like no, And I mean she is.
She doesn't go out with him again, but she doesn't leave.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
That's true, she know, I mean, like, but part of
that is like the most interesting thing about Carrie is
that like she's just experimenting, right, and so she just
prays things out because she just wants to know how
crazy things will get.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
No, I think you're absolutely right. I think she wants
to write about it.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, exactly, And it's such a good avenue for like
crazy dramas that like probably wouldn't happen today because you know,
just way to stand for it.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
You're absolutely right. So then she does look straight at
the camera, which I was taken aback. I thought we
were done with this looking at the straight at the camera,
but we're in second season. She looks straight at the
camera and she says, Okay, now, I was afraid over
the book stealing, which is kind of funny. She wasn't
afraid over the guy WHOI almost hit the guy, She's
afraid of the book stealing. So then she goes home
(14:32):
and looks at this book about actual circus freak shows,
which is kind of funny and I enjoy. It's very
Allen culture. I'm gonna ask him about it when we
talk to him. Cut to Charlotte is with mister Pussy
in bed, and obviously she's gonna do the work. She's
going to try to do it, even though she told
the girls that she wasn't going to and he tells
(14:53):
her to relax, which is kind of funny. I'm like,
does he know who he's talking to? I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Fine, I know all the nervous giggling that.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
You listen that was real, okay, and watching that's that's
Kristin dying. Yeah, it's Kristin dying that I am having
to try to act like someone is going down on
me and I'm going to come on camera. I'm that's
a very difficult dying.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Difficult situation.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Giggle, nervous giggle, nervous giggle, which is exactly what Charlotte's
going through, which is good. But then it says that
the montage of Midge going down and apparently we don't talk,
which we find out later, which is pretty entertaining as well,
like there's no conversation, it's just this, it's just funny.
And then it starts the exactly the voiceover says that
(15:40):
that he goes down to me every day and that
on Monday Friday, I Charlotte came seven times, which wow, okay,
I know. First season I had my day where a
week maybe when I was addicted to the rabbit. Now
I'm addicted to mister Pussy, you know, and people think
I'm the prude because that's like out you really.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I mean, like, come on, we also talked about We've
talked about it so many times on this podcast. Already
up the butt, Like it's just like all these things.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
We're like, really slash Cavy, you've talked about show, but
you know, I don't. This is like if my real
daughters this tar, I would diag no, it's a dormab.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I know, this is this. The nervous giggle just came out.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
That was it.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
That was it, That was it.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
That was totally It's so real.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
We're like, it's actually great to Also, Charlotte's character is
so fun because like you know, if you're a woman
and you have been in this situation, like that's the
the first time that you let yourself go like that.
It's like there's so much giggling with any kind of sex,
you know, like there's.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
It's true and it's fun. We got to show it, yeah,
because I feel like sometimes film and TV it's just
all like oh passion, passion and not real. Yeah. Yeah,
you're absolutely right. Yeah, you're absolutely right. It's very relatable,
very relatable. Okay. So now luckily we move on to
Carry and she's a Central Park sitting by Bethesda Fountain
I believe, or maybe is it is it Bethesda? I
(17:18):
think it's Bethesda, And this adorable guy in glasses is
sitting near her. His name is Ben. The character's name
is Ben, and they start chatting, which is so old
school New York. Know, it's cute, but also I was
a little worried, like I don't I didn't remember this
storyline at all for her, like, I don't recognize that guy.
I have no idea who he is. We could look
(17:40):
up his name, but I don't remember anything about her storyline.
So I was watching it as if for the first time.
And the days where you know, you have no phone, right,
You're just sitting there looking out in the distance, right,
and then some guy just chats with you. It's crazy
like a stranger.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It really would. It's not as easy today, And that's
the same thing. So that was also like one of
the reasons why I was like, whoa mister pussy has,
like Trevor, like just conversations about this man some woman
in the bathroom just over heres and joins in your conversation,
these kinds of things. It's like it's a little bit
harder now, Like that's true, but I will say that
New York is still more open to that maybe, like
(18:21):
people just kept starting people.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
People are chatting with me in the elevator yesterday, and
I don't think they recognize me.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Oh that's lovely.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
I mean, I'm not sure, but I think I think.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
I mean, I would believe it because I think people
miss that too.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
I think so teenage.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
So it's nice to see it on camera.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I agree. I agree, it's really durable. So these two
Ben and Carrie start comparing their bad dates, and he
says he dated a crazy one and she's like, oh yeah,
I dated a crazy one and then he was dealing
books or whatever she says. And then he says he
actually doesn't date because women are bizarre, which is kind
of funny. And then of course Carrie looks like super normal.
(19:00):
So then he says he asks her out on a
non date, and she says a non no, which is
so charming and adorable, I know, so cute.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
There's a line where she brings up the freaks in
the circus, the world's fattest twins. Yes, and how they
managed to.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Find husbands yeah yes.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yeah, yeah yeah, and that they were skinny. And he
says this line, which is like such a brilliant you
can interpret it different ways, but like maybe it was
an optical illusion.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Oh my god, yes, And I.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Like upon rewatch. I was so curious if that is
in reference, like the audience is seeing like an optical illusion,
or if it's that the spouses just like couldn't if
like that was the idea.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I don't know, we have to ask Jenny Biggs.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
And it's good because it's just like the two ways
of thinking about this whole thing is like whether or not,
you know, like Marana thinks there are people who are
freaks and there are people who are not freaks, and
we just haven't found the non freaks yet and versus
maybe you just like kind of convince yourself that like
(20:10):
people aren't freaks, or or like you just don't think
about them being freaks because you love them so much,
you know, all these things. Yes, I just really like
that one line. I think it's great that actually I
gotta talk to Jenny Picks. I don't know, I don't know, definitely.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
And also I thought part of the reason is so
good is because you can see how Ben and Carry,
the two characters are kind of on the same wave
length and could work out, which is why it's said
what happens because they're kind of meeting in a really interesting,
kind of somewhat intellectual kind of way, like a theoretical
intellectual you know, kind of interesting way, which is not
(20:47):
how she usually meets people. Yes, right, so that's why
it was like kind of hopeful. But then it doesn't
go great, but we'll get to that, all right. We're
cut to Samantha who runs into this lady on the
sho street who literally I think my hairdresser did her
hair because we have the exact same hair. Like I
thought it was me for a second, like, oh no,
that's not me. I have like a weird little flip
(21:09):
going on. I don't know what happened to Charlotte's hair.
It's like flat to my head and then.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Just flips this the strong side part.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, oh waist like super side part. I know. I
don't know what was happening there. But this lady who
runs into Samantha also has that hairdo looks very nice,
and Samantha says, oh my god, you look amazing. Elie says, Oh,
I just had this wonderful thing done. I had the
fat take it out of my butt and put in
my face. And she's like, and the best thing is
you can eat a cheeseburger and then boom, it's in
(21:39):
your face. It's so good. It's so funny and weird.
But I do remember this time because back then you
didn't talk about plastic surgery everywhere with everyone the way
that people do now, Like now Instagram is all like
people's new faces blah blah blah blah blah. We didn't
have Instagram, right, But I remember when fat trans became
(22:00):
like this new thing. We were like what they do? What? Like,
are you kidding me? It was a crazy idea. And
there were people around, like Upper East Side Manhattan, which
is where Samantha is, when she runs into this lady
doing it, and we were like, oh, so and so
did it? Are you kidding me? We've got to see
her face? Like we were fascinated. This was the first
(22:22):
time that I remember, separate from like boob jobs that
you would hear about people doing, you know, that would
been a thing for a while. This is the first
thing that I remember hearing about like face wise, that
people we knew who were not that much older than
us were actually doing that. We were just like, oh
my god, Wow, it was big news, you know what
(22:43):
I'm saying. So they wrote it into the show, which
I thought was great. And obviously now this is very
not interesting, I guess comment.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
I mean, like I also think, I guess it is common,
but it's also like people get a lot of more
butt injections and like the way that well, listen, this
is swung over.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Right, but that yes, because then Samantha says something like
all this time, we've been trying to hide the fat
in our buscher.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Maybe Randa said it right.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
But now I mean, this is not true anymore.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Oh yeah, you want that there, or like some people
want that there, you know.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Not everybody, right, But I mean I spent at least
a decade trying to hide my ass on the television.
Like I had a boyfriend at one point who was like,
I don't like your TV butt as much. I like
the regular one. And I was like, well, that's why
I'm with you. Yeah, I mean one of the reasons,
but you don't have a thing. It was a nice
compliment because I really thought that, like that was not
(23:34):
supposed to be there, Like you had to hide that thing.
So Samantha tells us all that she is going to
be getting the fat transfer, that she's already gotten a
light bow and she's wearing a girdle and we have
(23:55):
to see her in her girdle, which is really entertaining.
They shoot it very tastefully, and then I say that
I'm that I'm meeting Mitch. I'm calling him Mitch, And
then I think, I Charlotte think that we have a
future together, and they all are just like ugh, and
Samantha very smartly says, you cannot have a future with
mister pussy because you haven't even been out to dinner
(24:17):
or know anything about each other, and she is so right, right.
So then the weirdly Carrie goes on to double date
and tries to set Miranda up with a friend of Ben's,
her glasses guy, and this guy is really cute but
he has never left Manhattan, which the girls think is bad,
which I'm like, that's so weird that they think it's bad.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Well, but it's like, I think it's one thing to
not leave, but like another thing to like. Also, Scoff
that's true, somewhere.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Else to be so aggressive about. Like this guy's very mad, right,
very mad. But it's funny because I always think of
them as being so our girls are so Manhattanites, you
know what I mean? But whatever, they're like that guy's
angry whatever. So then I do love this. Miranda says
that she has to go home and feed her cat,
which we learned from the voiceover is the code that
(25:04):
Miranda and Carrie have together.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Have a code?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Did you know? No? I mean I think we would
just look at each other and just be like.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, it's true by guys, Like if we were in
that kind of situation, your date probably wasn't even like
paying enough attention.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
To write to you were like, hey, totally, totally. No,
I don't think I was creative enough to have a code,
but I do think it's a really good thing to
have with your friends. I think it's a good, good idea.
So then poor Charlotte tries to go on a dinner
date with mister Pussy and it doesn't go well because
he has nothing to say.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
He just wants to eat a peach or like what, yeah,
this is a big At that point, I think, yeah,
it's a fig and it is it's a lot going on,
and I'm sitting real close to him, and I had
to just try to keep it together, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
So then poor Samantha has to go off to the
plastic surgeon and then she says that it's like shopping,
so she wants to see what else she could get
while she's there, and he draws all kind of crazy
pictures on her. And then you see sweet Samantha who's
so perfect looking in the mirror, and she seems really sad.
So I felt really bad for her. I felt bad
for her a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
It's actually a really sad episode that with the body
shaming there, and like.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I mean, look, this is this is our culture. This
was for reals, like the two thousands. I mean there
are people on the Instagram also like the two thousands
with the low cut jeans. Yes, it was terrorizing, Okay
you were too young.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Well yes, but I saw it, Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
So let's go on with the show. So then, oh,
this is adorable. So this is when Carrie's with the
guy in the Glasses Bend she spent the night. It's
gone really well, he's adorable. He has to go to
his I believe his soccer game or his football game
or something in the morning, and he leaves her there,
and very much like that early episode where Miranda goes
looking through her dates, private belongings, Carrie just rips through
(26:59):
this man's thing, I mean, with abandon. She's like like,
she's like the FBI searching for clues, you know, for
a murderer, right like, it's a lot, it's a lot.
She gets carried away to.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Use a phrase, why they named her Carrie.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Nope, okay, it comes later. That comes later, But she
also in the voiceover, says that she's taken over with
the need to find this man's particular freaky side.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Now she's scared that they're all freaks, and so she's
trying to find the clues to what kind of freak
is he? At which point, of course, he comes back
in the apartment and he's so devastated. And I felt
really bad for this guy because he's like, you seem normal,
and she says, yeah, I was.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
I'm sad.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
It's so sad and so sweet at the same time.
And then she has to leave and I'm like, couldn't
they try harder? Couldn't they have a deeper conversation, you know, Yeah,
he I guess didn't want.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
But also I got a I mean, well, I guess
because it was found their spark was founded on the
fact that they were both sick of freaks, right, So
I got I understand where he's coming from.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
It's a good point.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, but I also like, Okay, I gotta say the
way that they like shot this, the style is different
with Alan Coulter. Yeah, and like it's very apparent and
like Carrie, I don't know if this wasn't I read
it like she really wasn't actually as passionate in this episode,
Like there was something about it where like it felt
(28:28):
their chemistry was sweet, but I didn't feel anything. No,
you're so right, And I actually was like, oh, they're
really painting it. They're like, oh, if you're not a freak,
you're just so boring. This guy played it perfectly. The
guy played it perfectly. But I was just like, I
don't remember who you don't even know.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I don't remember him at all. No, he made no
impression on me. She's so boring. I know. That's interesting.
I hadn't thought of that. Yeah, but I think That's
also why I thought, oh, maybe this is good and
then and then suddenly it's not. But I also think,
you know, this reminds me of something Sarah said to
me when I tried to talk to her about Big,
And of course she's been in it so long. I
don't know why I thought she could talk objectively about Big,
(29:04):
but one of the things she did say was that
Carrie is exotic to Big. Right. Big is not creative.
Big is not you know, full of feelings and conflicted
and all the different things that Carrie is. Right, so
she's exotic to him, which I kind of forget about.
And then like, if you think about this with this guy,
she's too much for that guy. Yeah, you know, yeah,
(29:28):
And that's why her freaky side comes out, like trying
to find the secrets that he's keeping because he seems
so normal, but I think in reality he was just
normal and possibly boring.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
He wants to go see a soccer game, like I
feel like in nineteen ninety nine, that's that's supposed to
mean that you're kind.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Of No, No, that was super common, but that's what
I'm saying, right, No, I just mean, like all the
crazy people went to the soccer games and the baseball
games as well, Like on the weekend in Central Park,
like that thing was full of people playing soccer and baseball. Okay, okay, okay,
in the olden days, you know it really was, It wasn't.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I just don't know how to get out of my
understand hubble whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
My Yeah, your apartment. You don't want to go, No,
I do.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
I Actually I don't want to be homebody.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I don't want to go to many people.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Who are like active and good with I don't know
what to say anymore.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
You're funny, you're double. This is what happens towards the
end of a podcast. You're just saying stuff. You don't
know what. Let me just read the last thing. This
is good. No, this is how I feel too, voiceover
of Carrie's saying, I became the woman, the frightening woman
whose fear ate her sanity. That's a pretty deep She's
a very interesting thing. I mean, I think I've definitely
(30:38):
felt that way before in my life. Where if you haven't, what.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
If you haven't, you're not examining yourself closely enough.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Most definitely, No, No, I do think that's true. But
I also think like, if you've lived at all, right
and taken chances, taking risks, gone out of your comfort zone,
you know, been vulnerable to somebody like you, You're going
to feel a little crazy at some point. Yeah, you
know you're gonna feel a little crazy, a little freakish.
You're gonna lose your sanity. This is all part of it.
And then she says the adorable thing about how if
(31:08):
you're single, everyone gets freaked out from time to time,
but you can still have hope. It's adorable, but a
little bit sad, but adorable. I loved all of our storylines.
I thought they were super interesting. Yeah, I mean, did
you think how young we were when you watch this?
Were you like look at them the little children?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Well, okay, part of it is also on this show
most of the time, I'm getting to see you be
my mom. Yes, and then this episode you not your mom. No, no, no,
you are.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Not missing like you really are not.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
And and so it was it's always like fun on
the rewatch, like just seeing as we talked about on
I guess the previous episode. Yeah, your growth of like
you're experiencing so many new things, but at the same time,
like you've had this you've always had this like desire
(32:07):
for like a family, and like watching that version of
a woman who like also gets to be kind of
like kiddish at times. And this episode, yeah, you know,
like it's it's very endearing to like see that through
line though.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Yeay for sure, Yeah, I agree. I mean, yeah, Charlotte
definitely has her hope, and she has her her innocent
side and also her fear. You know, she has some
fear about things, but she also tries stuff, which is
you know, great, that's you're not a.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Prude who says that you're really not approved?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Thank you, Kathy. I agree. So many people for like
ten years thought thought that Charlotte was a prude, and
wherever I went, they'd be like, oh, you're the prude,
and I'd be like, whatever.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
I guess you're the prude in the sense that, like
sometimes you don't like talking about it, right, but you
actually just love doing it.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
I feel like that's what well. I think Also, it's
all in relationship, right, So Samantha talks a big game,
but then sometimes in these early episodes you really see
the vulnerable side of her two you know, which I
think is also like just the great writing and acting
of everybody like everyone has both sides, right, But I
think because there were four of us and we were
(33:18):
all so different, everyone kind of got pigeonholed, like, oh,
Charlotte is the prude, it wants to get married. Veranda
is the cynic, you know, Carrie is the dreamer whatever.
I don't know what they think of whatever. I don't
know how to describe Gary the complicated one. And Samantha
is the you know how what are the how do
we describe Samantha? She's the you know, the or free
(33:42):
she's free, Daniel, how would you she's the free spirit, yes,
free spirit, and she's she's she's bold. She does whatever
she wants without apology.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
In her work too, it's the same, like it's the
same for sure.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Very bold. Yeah, I agree, she's bold and doesn't apologize,
takes no prisoners.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I know even some of them will just show up
in a closet for her.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
She need do, no, she doesn't need to do what
a woman. Well, Kathy, thank you for being with us
for a whole adventure. It's a fun day.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
This was a really fun day with us. I love
hanging out with you. I love hanging out with you.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Also, I love to hear a different perspective from a
much younger person on our old episodes. It's really helpful.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Well I feel like we're on the same page.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
We definitely are, but it's interesting just to hear you go,
oh yeah, no, that wouldn't be okay now, like you know,
it's just like a no brainer for you. Oh yeah no,
that would be a red flag, you know, Like that's
what I love about your generation. You're just like, yeah, no,
that's not good, No, that's not okay.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
It's because shows like this have existed where the people
started examining the behavior. I cannot believe. I mean every
person that I talk to, and there's so many people
who are my age who are watching it for the
first time and they're like, this was twenty years ago,
this is so oh yeah, this is oh my goodness.
(35:10):
Yeah yeah, yeah, this was thirty years ago, and they're like, amaze,
how relevant it is relevant it is today, And then like, yeah,
it's just it's complicated. The story is complicated, and like
it's like such a deep dive into romance.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
I know, and expectations. Yeah yeah, now.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I didn't think about that growing up.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
No, I don't think I thought about these things growing up,
either yeah, yeah, or like.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I didn't have the foresight to question societal dating behavior.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I had the foresight to question some assumptions because I
grew up in this very southern thing where everyone was
expected to get married at the first possible chance, which
I just thought was very, very weird. So I was like, no, yeah,
that was me though, Yeah, wasn't anybody else that I knew?
Speaker 2 (36:10):
You know what I mean, that's why you're on the show.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
That is why I'm on the show. That is why
I'm on the show. That's why I'm so lucky that
I found the show. I mean, obviously lucky in many
different ways, but yeah, it really I really was like, yes,
this is special, this is different. I love it. I know,
thank you, thank you. We'll have to have you back.
I don't know when we're going to go back to work.
I know we'll just be here.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
May happen. Yeah, if not, then we'll just start our
own podcast.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Totally. You would Alexa could have a young person's podcast.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Oh my god, you know, we can do a multi
generational three of us if we do one. Can you imagine?
Speaker 1 (36:46):
It's so funny? Yeah, I can't even imagine what she
was would just.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Do so like half of the time I would just
be asking, like, what does that word mean that you
just came up with? Please please update me on the slang, which.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I know what everyone says, but it's I know, I
know her group has a different I know, Gemma, my
daughter has the same group, and yeah she has to.
She gives me definitions. You know that's good.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
That's really sweet of Gemma.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
It is it is kids.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Could you please keep doing that without judging us first.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
They judge like they judge it. Okay, they roll arrive,
It's fine, fine, I.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Get it all right.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Thanks everyone for joining us. Come back next time.
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Kristin Davis
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