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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hi, everybody, we are here today.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
It's just me and we are going to recap episode
two one, take me out to the ballgame.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
So this is a great episode.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
It is the first episode of season two, and it's
really fun because we go to the Yankees game, and
I remember, well, we go to a pretend Yankees game,
if I'm being honest, so it wasn't really the Yankees game.
But I remember so much about shooting that and I
remember being so excited that we got picked up for
season two because we really didn't.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Know if we would be picked up.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
So I feel when you watch this episode, I can
feel just us being excited to be there and us
being kind of a little bit more relaxed, you know,
then we might have been, at least myself, I guess
I'm just speaking for myself, more relaxed than I would
have been season one, which is I think really nice
(01:00):
to see just across the board. This is directed by
the wonderful Alan Coulter, who I have so many memories
of and who is actually in the beginning of the
episode on the street. He is standing and kind of
bumps into carry or carry kind of bumps into him.
That is Alan culture, our director, and he made a
very very big impression on all of us, at least myself,
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and I think on the show and the pacing of
the show and the style of the show. And he
comes back many times throughout the end of the show.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
He's great.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
And written by Michael Patrick King, Yeah, yeah, yeah. And
the thing that I think about that I want to
say first about Michael is that there's going to be
a big storyline in here about how much we talk
about men. And I feel like Michael took that from
the reviews of the first season, which that was a complaint,
was that all we talked about was men, So he
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wrote it into the show, which I love and I
think is a classic classic moment coming up. Okay, so
we'll jump right in. Hey, the first thing we see
is Carrie on the street. And anytime we've got any
of us walking on the streets of New York, especially
in the olden days, I just love it because a
New York looks so quaint and adorable and b there's
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usually real people walking around, and it's really just such
a you really feel the city and I love that
about it. So she's out there, she's walking around, she's
talking about how she keeps imagining that she's going to
see mister Big on the street because they broke up,
as we know at the end of season one, and
so now she's still, you know, in her breakup mode
and obviously not really together, and she is smoking her cigarettes.
(02:37):
Oh my goodness, takes me back. I remember her and
half the crew smoking all the time.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Back in the day.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Her voice over says that the city becomes an emotional
battlefield because of the reminders of your ex.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
So she's seeing places.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
They went and thinking about him, and obviously we all
know that's no fun, no fun at all.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That's how we begin.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Then Charlotte and Miranda show up at Carrie's apartment to
get her out, and this is when we start talking
about our different opinions about how once you get through
a breakup, and Miranda basically wants her to cut her
losses and get back in the game. Charlotte says she
thinks that it takes half the time that you are
in a relationship to get over that relationship. And we
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learn then that Carrie and Big were together for a
year which makes sense. But also I don't think we
have been one hundred percent clear about that the first season,
so that's kind of a cool, cool fact to find out. So,
you know, Charlotte always has her ideas and her rules
or whatever, so here we've got one. And I think
it's a pretty good rule personally, but I also think
that you can't really.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Control these things.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
But the thing that I like about that rule is
it's saying take some time, feel bad, go through your
different feelings, which I think is important, and then also
have an end to it so that you're not just
going on and on and on forever feel bad and
not wanting to leave your house, which is never healthy,
never healthy at all. Okay, so I like Charlotte's rule.
What do you guys think?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Do you like a rule? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I don't know what do people think about this. I
have no idea and I don't really know. I don't
really know if it works. I do think that there's
some people that are harder to get over than others,
or some relationships that are harder to get over than others,
for sure, But I do think it's good to try
to get over them.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
And I always like to get outside. That's my idea.
Get outside, walk around, walk around the city, hike if
you're somewhere you can hike, that's what I do.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Okay, then we're on the street. We're going to get
a taxi. Oh, we're all together. The girls are taking
her out. You don't know where we're going at. I
don't think do we No, I don't think we do, Carrie.
This makes me laugh. So, Harry, Carrie is too dressed
up for where we're going, which really is like very important,
you guys, because this is going to go on like
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even now in life. We're getting ready to go out
and promote and just like that. And I always have
to check in with Sir Jessica because I need to
know what Sir Jessica is going to wear to our
different events, because she might be wearing something that is
like way dressier than what I pictured in my mind,
and I hate to be out of sync with her.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
So this is a very important point.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
She basically says that she doesn't care if she's too
dressed up because it's more important that she looks good
in case she runs into big But in general, the
important fact is she doesn't care if she's too dressed up.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
That is important to know for life and the show.
And you know what, there's a.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Part of me, I mean part of me I was
always like, oh my gosh, why do I have to
dress up so much all the time. But on the
other hand, it's fun to dress up, and in life,
I really don't dress up at all. So when we
haven't worked for a while and we go back to
work and we get to get in all the clothes,
it's just really, you know, I love it so much
because I don't do it that much, and so I
think it's a good thing to remember, like it can
make you feel good to dress up. So we go
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together in a cab and we pick up Samantha, and
Samantha is standing there with this guy James that shockingly
she's still with, which I did not remember that he
hung around for so long, and it's kind of amazing.
And he then calls her his princess, which is really bizarre, Okay,
like I don't know who he thinks that he's in
a relationship with. It's super interesting. But she kind of
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seems to enjoy it, which is also interesting. So she
gets in the car and then again she starts talking
about her complaint with him, which is the Girkin situation,
which you know, I'm not even gonna say too many
things about, but you know, it's amazing that she's even
hanging in. That's what I think, because we all know
how she actually really feels.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Then we go to what is the pretend Yankee Stadium.
It is actually where they used to hold the US
Open in Flushing, Queens, I think right, and it was
empty because there was no no tennis happening, and the
I think the Yankees might have used to actually be
there and then move to their big stadium. I'm not sure.
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I'm not a baseball uh person, as you know you
might guess. Now, Miranda is the big baseball person in
this whole mix, and she's telling us, oh, all kind
of things about the Yankees. And then there's this new
Yankee and she knows his stats. And I do remember
being in New York and people would just really really
have so many details about these guys who played for
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the Yankees, and I was always like, Okay, whatever, that's cool.
You know, I'm glad you guys are happy and into it.
But like if there's a new player, everyone talk about it.
And whatever the drama was going on with the Yankees.
You know, it's a big deal in New York.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Big deal.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So Carrie says that she's a big fan of anywhere
that you can smoke and drink at two pm without judgment,
which seems very on character, on point for Carrie.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
So she's happy she's wearing her first coat.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Then Samantha goes back to her upset about her her
boyfriend James, and she's got a hot dog to do
a visual representation of, which is, you know, kind of
funny but also sad, kind of sad. So Carrie makes
lots of little, kind of funny analogies between baseball and
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her own dating stats, and then a flyball comes up,
which even I know that's a big deal, like when
a ball comes to you in a game of baseball, basketball, football.
I don't know if that ever happens, probably not. Anyway,
Carrie catches the fly ball, which is really cute, really cute,
and she's very excited. And I think Sarah has gone
to probably more baseball games than possibly the rest of
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us combined. Matthew loves baseball, so she probably knows how
truly exciting this is. Then cut to us somehow. Oh,
she used her press her press pass to get us backstage,
as I would call it, at the Yankees game, and
we are standing outside their locker room unembarrassed. Also, I
might add, as though we're at backstage of a theater production,
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which I find also really funny that we're there standing
there waiting for them to walk through through back into
their locker room.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
So then they meet the new.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yankee, who's very cute, and Miranda is kind of acting
a fool, you know, she's pretty excited.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
She kind of over the top.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
She says things like I'm a lawyer, you know, she
says her blurting out things, which if you watch them,
just like that is the whole first episode of And
just like that for Miranda, which everyone complained about but I.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Felt was very very own character for her.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
She just blurts some stuff out when she gets nervous,
which is really cute because Miranda obviously is also often
very not nervous and kind of cutting. So when she
does get nervous and start acting kind of silly, it's cute,
I think. So Kerry gets her ball signed by the
very adorable new Yankee, and then she gets very bold,
and she chases him down the hallway and she asks
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him out to the adult Changabana party, and all of
us are like kind of shocked and really impressed, which,
you know, yes, it kind of comes out of.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Nowhere, but it is adorable. And then Miranda, well, yes,
she's not impressed.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
She's kind of displeased because she thinks that Carrie should
be rebounding with the CPA or someone boring and not
rebounding with the new Yankee.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
But I think it's cute.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Samantha then tries to look at the guys through the door,
which I really it was such a funny and kind
of long moment of her trying to look through that door.
And I thought that the thing that was nice about
it was the kind of unabashed, unapologetic, you know, adoration
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of the male body from Samantha, especially obviously because she's
in her situation. And I think it's it's like the
thing about our show that everybody was so kind of
shocked and like ah about in the beginning, and I
like that we're leaning into it. I think that's I
think that's good because why shouldn't we, you know, we
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should be allowed to do that just like men are
always googling women.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Then okay, carries back at her apartment and she's writing
and smoking I believe Sabata smoking in this episode. And
she's wondering what are the breakup rules? That is her
big question of the episode.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Then we go through a montage of real people.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I believe doesn't say it, but it says montage, so
I think that's what it means. And they say different things.
They say, don't cry, don't call for three months, which
is interesting, like why don't call for three months?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
But why are you calling? Interesting?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Benn says, don't sign a thing, which I mean, who
wants you to sign something that's interesting? And then change
your name, your phone number and your job.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
That's rough.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
That's someone who like, probably did something wrong, I would say.
But anyway, it's interesting to hear all the different perspectives.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Okay, So then this is so cute.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
This is Carrie rushing to get ready and she finds
this picture of her mister Big. But the thing I
think is so cute about it it's the you know,
the apartment that we know so well now after all
these years, but it's so early days and she's at
the you know, we have the camera kind in her bedroom,
shooting down the closet hallway and you can just see
her running back and forth in the cute little bathroom.
(12:12):
Whi's so realistic. That bathroom is so realistic to old
New York apartments. It's got the black and white tile.
It's really cool. And she's like like, ah, she's very
girly and getting ready. It's cute. It's really cute. I
thought it was so cute. So she decides that her
first breakup rule is to destroy all the pictures, which
I would say in this early pre you know iPhoto situation, No,
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don't destroy the pictures because if you have the men film,
then you don't want to have to go find them
the negatives and get the reprinted. So don't destroy the pictures,
That's what I say. But now we don't really have
to worry about that because we the pictures follow.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Us around everywhere we go. So we go to this party.
It's adorable.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Carrie has taken the new Yankee, which is also very cute,
and you see Charlotte and she is dating this guy, Paul,
who's a VP at recording, and it's trying to sink
the phrases of Miles Davis, which is hysterical, like who
hasn't listened to Miles Davis? Oh my gosh, Like if
there's any young people right now who haven't listen to
Miles Davis, please go out and listen to Miles Davis immediately.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
So he's trying to talk about how great Miles Davis is,
which is entertaining, but also he has this weird habit
where he continually kind of adjusts himself it's private parts,
and Carrie is looking at it and kind of rolling
her eyes, and Charlotte eventually grabs his hand to trying
to like distract him from his own private parts, which is.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
You know, interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Poor Carrie thinks she sees Big across the party, which
actually makes total sense because I could completely see that
he would be there, and I, you know, that's just
the worst feeling when you're in a breakup and you
think you see the people or you're going to see
the people, and you have so much kind of anticipation
and you know, blah blah feeling or I guess nerves really,
you know. Then I asked Charlotte as Carrie how she feels,
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and Carrie comes up with breakup rule number two. Lie
lie about your how you're feeling, because it's easier than
telling the truth about how you feel to your friends.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Which is kind of sad.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So then she goes out walking with the New Yankee
Joe on the streets of New York, looking so beautiful.
They're downtown, I think, and it just looks so quaint,
and we're, you know, in those days where we were
shooting on the Super sixteen, and the light flares are
so beautiful, and they kiss and it's adorable. Then cut
to Breakfast and page six has Carrie and the New
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Yankee and Charlotte super excited about it. I feel like
I'm always very excited when anyone is in the paper.
There are many circumstances through the years where I get
myself in the paper with tray.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I'm very excited, very excited. I'm always very excited.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I'm reporting what's in that paper all the time, very
on onto the different papers, not not even just page six,
the New York Times, off the different papers. Charlotte's into
the papers, and Charlotte thinks that the this is the
best thing because Big is going to see it and
carry looks fantastic and she's with a new guy.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Isn't that great? Miranda asks, and this is the crazy part.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Miranda one says, to stop talking about guys and or sex.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
It's unclear to me.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
And so everyone is silent for a little while, and
then I think Charlotte, not unlike myself, has trouble is silence.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
So she starts.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Talking about her new problem, which is that her boyfriend
keeps touching his private parts, and then Samantha makes jokes
that maybe his certain parts of his private parts are
too long, and then Miranda is like, has a whole
breakdown and says that all we talk about is big
or balls or small things.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I can't go down the list.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
And then she says it's like seventh grade with bank accounts,
which is really funny. And then she gets up and
she leaves, which is also insane, like just because of
what the show is, right, But I do think this
is when Michael Patrick was taking some criticism of the
show and using it in the writing, which you know, Heliah.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
So now we Carrie.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Decides after this breakfast with the girls that she's going
to go shopping, and we come up with breakup rule
Number three until emotionally stabilized, enter nose door. I think
that's excellent, But the problem now is that you can
shop online, so that's really hard, Like what do you
do with your phone and everything? Right, So cut to Samantha,
and this is very sweet. I mean, Samantha's so sweet here.
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She's trying to coach James in all these different sex positions,
and you can tell that she's a little annoyed, but
she's doing her best, you know, She's just like in
there trying to make it work. And in the end
she gets a vibrator and then James asked her to
put it.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Away, which is so bad, really bad.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Men.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Do not do this.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I don't know if there are any men listening, but
if you are, do not do this to any women,
and women don't do it to any other women. But
I don't think you would anyway, just my advice. Then
we cut to Charlotte and she's gone out, and I
feel like there might be a scene that got cut
out where either I talk to Carrie about this, or
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I go shopping, or there's some I feel like there
was a piece missing where I come up with this
plan that to get this new boyfriend to stop touching
his private parts. I'm going to buy him different underwear.
But maybe I just made that up in my head.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
So cut to Charlotte is in her really cute white
bedroom with her white hallway, which is really all she
has at this point of her apartment, and she is
giving Paul this present, and he gets very upset with
her because they haven't even had sex and she's giving
him a gift, which is such a weird overreaction, and
I don't even he doesn't seem to have any feelings
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that it's underwear, which is the thing that I would
have thought he might have thought was weird, Like what
a weird first gift. But Charlotte's all like it's supposed
to be the best. The person at the store talked
about the pocket.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Is that what she says? Something like the pocket? That's
what I say, Right, It's pretty funny.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
But anyway, this guy huffs off, huffs off over getting
a gift. Also interesting and weird. Then this is all
the best sequence in the world. So here's Miranda. Previously,
she's been wearing this green turtleneck, which I own. I
used to get Miranda's clothes at the end of the
season because they're very wearable. They're everyday clothes, you know. Often,
so is a green sweater she was wearing before. I
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wear that sweater still. Now she's on the street. She's
gone on her really famous what's now become a Halloween
Miranda outfit office where she's got overalls and like a
puffer on and a baseball cap. And she's out walking
on the street and she sees her ex, which we
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have referred to earlier with his wife, who is the
woman that he left her for, and she hides and
then she runs away, and it's really great because she's
been kind of on her high horse about how Carrie
should or shouldn't feel about her breakup, and then I
think she's a bit surprised by her own feelings about
running into him. And she's wearing this truly iconic outfit. Iconic,
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possibly for bizarre reasons, but also like so adorable and funny,
and whenever I see people wearing that for Halloween, I
really really love it.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I think it's so great. All right.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
So now Carrie's out at a bar with the new Yankee,
and now she finally sees mister Big and he walks
over to her, and she feels calm because it's the
perfect first meeting. Breakup rule number four. Never stop thinking
about him, even for a moment, because that's the moment
he'll appear. I do find this to be true, Yes,
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for sure. So he comes over and slow mo, it's
very good. I love how they filmed it. It's really
a good moment. And he touches her shoulder and she
looks at his hand and I mean, you just can
tell that she's a goner, you.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Know what I'm saying. Obviously we know what happens with
this relationship, but.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
It's all very present, even way back in the beginning.
So he touches her shoulder and he tells her that
she looks great something like that. But anyway, it's like,
you know, it's not gonna end well for the Yankee guy.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Let's put it that way.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
So she's walking home with Joe the Yankee guy, and
she's distracted.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
He kisses her.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
She starts crying, and she says she's she's not ready,
and she asks him to leave, and he doesn't, and
then she says, Okay, then I'll go. She's interesting here.
I think carry is so interesting. And then she she's
on the phone. She goes to the phone and it's
an adorable old phone boothy guys like these actually used
to work.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
It's so cute.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
And she calls someone and she's kind of dramatic and
she says, like, can you meet me at our place?
And then they do this really adorable reveal of Miranda
sitting in the coffee shop, and we now have our
coffee shop set, our first coffee shop set, which really
takes me back to look at that set, and it's
so sweet that mirandas who Carrie called, and that Miranda's there,
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And really, every time I see these two together, I'm
really just so impressed by the writing of their relationship
throughout the years because I love it. It's so interesting and
I don't know that I really realized it at the time,
how interestingly they wrote them, and how they're almost like
a couple. You know, there are elements of Carrie and
Miranda that are kind of coupling, like, you know, in
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terms of their like emotion together. I don't know how
to put it, but you know, it's it's like she's
got to touch like.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Touch her touchstone.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
That's not really well put, but she's got to like
check in with her touchstone about her feelings. So Carrie
sees her, she sees Miranda. She explains that she fell
apart after seeing Big and then Miranda says that she
ran into Eric and that she hid and that she
forgot how hard it is, and she tells her to
take all the time she needs. And then the most
important breakup rule, You'll never get through it without your friends,
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which is so nice and like very also much relevant
to where the show goes and the movies and all
of it in terms of us being each other's soulmates
and you know, maybe maybe we're the ones for each other.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
And I love that part of the show.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I don't know in the beginning if we really realized
how important that would become, but I I'm one hundred
percent down with it. I love it, and I think
that's part of the longevity of the whole, the whole,
the whole thing, really and part of why the fans
connect to it so much. And I feel, I feel
like it's an awesome, awesome, you know point in terms
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of you know, how important friendships are in general and
women to women relationships, and I feel in the olden
days especially I don't feel like friends were really thought
of as being that important. I feel like maybe now
friendships are are are really people are aware of how
important it is to have your your girlfriends around.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Do you feel like, yeah, sometimes I like I like
to get it. Yes, yes, I mean I feel that way.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I'd love to know what you guys think. Okay, so
I had to go pull the room you guys, and
my producers are telling me they're younger women.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
They're telling me that they think that Big knows exactly
what he's doing when he walks over and says you
look good, kid, and touches her shoulder, and they think
it's like kind of like him intentionally you know, flirting,
I guess, or or making sure she's feeling something back.
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That he knows what he's doing is the main point
that he That is not it's not like he's just
being there, that he's doing something to her to get her,
make sure she's still reeled it and make sure she's
not going anywhere, which you know, yeah, I mean, I'm
sure that's true. I'm sure that's true. That does seem
in character and it works, you know, it works, which
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is why it's so hard to get over people.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
And you, I guess you just have to leave the city.
You just have to go somewhere else, which is really
not possible really, but yeah, it's really hard. But obviously
we know that they have.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
It's so funny to look back on things when we
know what the future holds. You know, like, they're not done,
and I don't feel like they should be done. As
much as I want to criticize Big in the first
season and how he was with her, now that I'm
kind of seeing it with fresh eyes, I also feel like,
for whatever reason, they're each other's person and they're going
to go through all these different things. Obviously many many
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different years of different things coming, but they do have
kind of a I guess at this point you could
call it an entanglement. You know, they're they're entwined. They're entangled.
They're not done. Might not be the healthiest thing in
the world, but there they are. You know, it's interesting
and you look, it keeps us all hanging, right, and
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it keeps us hanging for years, which is kind of insane.
From the writing perspective that they were able to do that,
and from the acting perspective, like I think they're both
so good, and that's partly why we are invested in
it and have our feelings and you know, put our
own ideas onto it, you know, project onto it, basically
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because it's so well written, so well acted, and.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Uh, that's it.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I hope you guys have a great day.
Hi, I'm Kristen Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hi, everybody, we are here today.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
It's just me and we are going to recap episode
two one, take me out to the ballgame.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
So this is a great episode.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
It is the first episode of season two, and it's
really fun because we go to the Yankees game, and
I remember, well, we go to a pretend Yankees game,
if I'm being honest, so it wasn't really the Yankees game.
But I remember so much about shooting that and I
remember being so excited that we got picked up for
season two because we really didn't.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Know if we would be picked up.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
So I feel when you watch this episode, I can
feel just us being excited to be there and us
being kind of a little bit more relaxed, you know,
then we might have been, at least myself, I guess
I'm just speaking for myself, more relaxed than I would
have been season one, which is I think really nice
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to see just across the board. This is directed by
the wonderful Alan Coulter, who I have so many memories
of and who is actually in the beginning of the
episode on the street. He is standing and kind of
bumps into carry or carry kind of bumps into him.
That is Alan culture, our director, and he made a
very very big impression on all of us, at least myself,
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and I think on the show and the pacing of
the show and the style of the show. And he
comes back many times throughout the end of the show.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
He's great.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
And written by Michael Patrick King, Yeah, yeah, yeah. And
the thing that I think about that I want to
say first about Michael is that there's going to be
a big storyline in here about how much we talk
about men. And I feel like Michael took that from
the reviews of the first season, which that was a complaint,
was that all we talked about was men, So he
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wrote it into the show, which I love and I
think is a classic classic moment coming up. Okay, so
we'll jump right in. Hey, the first thing we see
is Carrie on the street. And anytime we've got any
of us walking on the streets of New York, especially
in the olden days, I just love it because a
New York looks so quaint and adorable and b there's
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usually real people walking around, and it's really just such
a you really feel the city and I love that
about it. So she's out there, she's walking around, she's
talking about how she keeps imagining that she's going to
see mister Big on the street because they broke up,
as we know at the end of season one, and
so now she's still, you know, in her breakup mode
and obviously not really together, and she is smoking her cigarettes.
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Oh my goodness, takes me back. I remember her and
half the crew smoking all the time.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Back in the day.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Her voice over says that the city becomes an emotional
battlefield because of the reminders of your ex.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
So she's seeing places.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
They went and thinking about him, and obviously we all
know that's no fun, no fun at all.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That's how we begin.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
Then Charlotte and Miranda show up at Carrie's apartment to
get her out, and this is when we start talking
about our different opinions about how once you get through
a breakup, and Miranda basically wants her to cut her
losses and get back in the game. Charlotte says she
thinks that it takes half the time that you are
in a relationship to get over that relationship. And we
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learn then that Carrie and Big were together for a
year which makes sense. But also I don't think we
have been one hundred percent clear about that the first season,
so that's kind of a cool, cool fact to find out. So,
you know, Charlotte always has her ideas and her rules
or whatever, so here we've got one. And I think
it's a pretty good rule personally, but I also think
that you can't really.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Control these things.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
But the thing that I like about that rule is
it's saying take some time, feel bad, go through your
different feelings, which I think is important, and then also
have an end to it so that you're not just
going on and on and on forever feel bad and
not wanting to leave your house, which is never healthy,
never healthy at all. Okay, so I like Charlotte's rule.
What do you guys think?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Do you like a rule? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I don't know what do people think about this. I
have no idea and I don't really know. I don't
really know if it works. I do think that there's
some people that are harder to get over than others,
or some relationships that are harder to get over than others,
for sure, But I do think it's good to try
to get over them.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
And I always like to get outside. That's my idea.
Get outside, walk around, walk around the city, hike if
you're somewhere you can hike, that's what I do.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Okay, then we're on the street. We're going to get
a taxi. Oh, we're all together. The girls are taking
her out. You don't know where we're going at. I
don't think do we No, I don't think we do, Carrie.
This makes me laugh. So, Harry, Carrie is too dressed
up for where we're going, which really is like very important,
you guys, because this is going to go on like
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even now in life. We're getting ready to go out
and promote and just like that. And I always have
to check in with Sir Jessica because I need to
know what Sir Jessica is going to wear to our
different events, because she might be wearing something that is
like way dressier than what I pictured in my mind,
and I hate to be out of sync with her.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
So this is a very important point.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
She basically says that she doesn't care if she's too
dressed up because it's more important that she looks good
in case she runs into big But in general, the
important fact is she doesn't care if she's too dressed up.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
That is important to know for life and the show.
And you know what, there's a.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Part of me, I mean part of me I was
always like, oh my gosh, why do I have to
dress up so much all the time. But on the
other hand, it's fun to dress up, and in life,
I really don't dress up at all. So when we
haven't worked for a while and we go back to
work and we get to get in all the clothes,
it's just really, you know, I love it so much
because I don't do it that much, and so I
think it's a good thing to remember, like it can
make you feel good to dress up. So we go
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together in a cab and we pick up Samantha, and
Samantha is standing there with this guy James that shockingly
she's still with, which I did not remember that he
hung around for so long, and it's kind of amazing.
And he then calls her his princess, which is really bizarre, Okay,
like I don't know who he thinks that he's in
a relationship with. It's super interesting. But she kind of
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seems to enjoy it, which is also interesting. So she
gets in the car and then again she starts talking
about her complaint with him, which is the Girkin situation,
which you know, I'm not even gonna say too many
things about, but you know, it's amazing that she's even
hanging in. That's what I think, because we all know
how she actually really feels.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Then we go to what is the pretend Yankee Stadium.
It is actually where they used to hold the US
Open in Flushing, Queens, I think right, and it was
empty because there was no no tennis happening, and the
I think the Yankees might have used to actually be
there and then move to their big stadium. I'm not sure.
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I'm not a baseball uh person, as you know you
might guess. Now, Miranda is the big baseball person in
this whole mix, and she's telling us, oh, all kind
of things about the Yankees. And then there's this new
Yankee and she knows his stats. And I do remember
being in New York and people would just really really
have so many details about these guys who played for
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the Yankees, and I was always like, Okay, whatever, that's cool.
You know, I'm glad you guys are happy and into it.
But like if there's a new player, everyone talk about it.
And whatever the drama was going on with the Yankees.
You know, it's a big deal in New York.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Big deal.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
So Carrie says that she's a big fan of anywhere
that you can smoke and drink at two pm without judgment,
which seems very on character, on point for Carrie.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
So she's happy she's wearing her first coat.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Then Samantha goes back to her upset about her her
boyfriend James, and she's got a hot dog to do
a visual representation of, which is, you know, kind of
funny but also sad, kind of sad. So Carrie makes
lots of little, kind of funny analogies between baseball and
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her own dating stats, and then a flyball comes up,
which even I know that's a big deal, like when
a ball comes to you in a game of baseball, basketball, football.
I don't know if that ever happens, probably not. Anyway,
Carrie catches the fly ball, which is really cute, really cute,
and she's very excited. And I think Sarah has gone
to probably more baseball games than possibly the rest of
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us combined. Matthew loves baseball, so she probably knows how
truly exciting this is. Then cut to us somehow. Oh,
she used her press her press pass to get us backstage,
as I would call it, at the Yankees game, and
we are standing outside their locker room unembarrassed. Also, I
might add, as though we're at backstage of a theater production,
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which I find also really funny that we're there standing
there waiting for them to walk through through back into
their locker room.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
So then they meet the new.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yankee, who's very cute, and Miranda is kind of acting
a fool, you know, she's pretty excited.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
She kind of over the top.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
She says things like I'm a lawyer, you know, she
says her blurting out things, which if you watch them,
just like that is the whole first episode of And
just like that for Miranda, which everyone complained about but I.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Felt was very very own character for her.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
She just blurts some stuff out when she gets nervous,
which is really cute because Miranda obviously is also often
very not nervous and kind of cutting. So when she
does get nervous and start acting kind of silly, it's cute,
I think. So Kerry gets her ball signed by the
very adorable new Yankee, and then she gets very bold,
and she chases him down the hallway and she asks
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him out to the adult Changabana party, and all of
us are like kind of shocked and really impressed, which,
you know, yes, it kind of comes out of.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Nowhere, but it is adorable. And then Miranda, well, yes,
she's not impressed.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
She's kind of displeased because she thinks that Carrie should
be rebounding with the CPA or someone boring and not
rebounding with the new Yankee.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
But I think it's cute.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Samantha then tries to look at the guys through the door,
which I really it was such a funny and kind
of long moment of her trying to look through that door.
And I thought that the thing that was nice about
it was the kind of unabashed, unapologetic, you know, adoration
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of the male body from Samantha, especially obviously because she's
in her situation. And I think it's it's like the
thing about our show that everybody was so kind of
shocked and like ah about in the beginning, and I
like that we're leaning into it. I think that's I
think that's good because why shouldn't we, you know, we
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should be allowed to do that just like men are
always googling women.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
You know.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Then okay, carries back at her apartment and she's writing
and smoking I believe Sabata smoking in this episode. And
she's wondering what are the breakup rules? That is her
big question of the episode.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Then we go through a montage of real people.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I believe doesn't say it, but it says montage, so
I think that's what it means. And they say different things.
They say, don't cry, don't call for three months, which
is interesting, like why don't call for three months?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
But why are you calling? Interesting?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Benn says, don't sign a thing, which I mean, who
wants you to sign something that's interesting? And then change
your name, your phone number and your job.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
That's rough.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
That's someone who like, probably did something wrong, I would say.
But anyway, it's interesting to hear all the different perspectives.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Okay, So then this is so cute.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
This is Carrie rushing to get ready and she finds
this picture of her mister Big. But the thing I
think is so cute about it it's the you know,
the apartment that we know so well now after all
these years, but it's so early days and she's at
the you know, we have the camera kind in her bedroom,
shooting down the closet hallway and you can just see
her running back and forth in the cute little bathroom.
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Whi's so realistic. That bathroom is so realistic to old
New York apartments. It's got the black and white tile.
It's really cool. And she's like like, ah, she's very
girly and getting ready. It's cute. It's really cute. I
thought it was so cute. So she decides that her
first breakup rule is to destroy all the pictures, which
I would say in this early pre you know iPhoto situation, No,
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don't destroy the pictures because if you have the men film,
then you don't want to have to go find them
the negatives and get the reprinted. So don't destroy the pictures,
That's what I say. But now we don't really have
to worry about that because we the pictures follow.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Us around everywhere we go. So we go to this party.
It's adorable.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Carrie has taken the new Yankee, which is also very cute,
and you see Charlotte and she is dating this guy, Paul,
who's a VP at recording, and it's trying to sink
the phrases of Miles Davis, which is hysterical, like who
hasn't listened to Miles Davis? Oh my gosh, Like if
there's any young people right now who haven't listen to
Miles Davis, please go out and listen to Miles Davis immediately.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
So he's trying to talk about how great Miles Davis is,
which is entertaining, but also he has this weird habit
where he continually kind of adjusts himself it's private parts,
and Carrie is looking at it and kind of rolling
her eyes, and Charlotte eventually grabs his hand to trying
to like distract him from his own private parts, which is.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
You know, interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Poor Carrie thinks she sees Big across the party, which
actually makes total sense because I could completely see that
he would be there, and I, you know, that's just
the worst feeling when you're in a breakup and you
think you see the people or you're going to see
the people, and you have so much kind of anticipation
and you know, blah blah feeling or I guess nerves really,
you know. Then I asked Charlotte as Carrie how she feels,
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and Carrie comes up with breakup rule number two. Lie
lie about your how you're feeling, because it's easier than
telling the truth about how you feel to your friends.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Which is kind of sad.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
So then she goes out walking with the New Yankee
Joe on the streets of New York, looking so beautiful.
They're downtown, I think, and it just looks so quaint,
and we're, you know, in those days where we were
shooting on the Super sixteen, and the light flares are
so beautiful, and they kiss and it's adorable. Then cut
to Breakfast and page six has Carrie and the New
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Yankee and Charlotte super excited about it. I feel like
I'm always very excited when anyone is in the paper.
There are many circumstances through the years where I get
myself in the paper with tray.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
I'm very excited, very excited. I'm always very excited.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I'm reporting what's in that paper all the time, very
on onto the different papers, not not even just page six,
the New York Times, off the different papers. Charlotte's into
the papers, and Charlotte thinks that the this is the
best thing because Big is going to see it and
carry looks fantastic and she's with a new guy.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Isn't that great? Miranda asks, and this is the crazy part.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Miranda one says, to stop talking about guys and or sex.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
It's unclear to me.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
And so everyone is silent for a little while, and
then I think Charlotte, not unlike myself, has trouble is silence.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
So she starts.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Talking about her new problem, which is that her boyfriend
keeps touching his private parts, and then Samantha makes jokes
that maybe his certain parts of his private parts are
too long, and then Miranda is like, has a whole
breakdown and says that all we talk about is big
or balls or small things.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I can't go down the list.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
And then she says it's like seventh grade with bank accounts,
which is really funny. And then she gets up and
she leaves, which is also insane, like just because of
what the show is, right, But I do think this
is when Michael Patrick was taking some criticism of the
show and using it in the writing, which you know, Heliah.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
So now we Carrie.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Decides after this breakfast with the girls that she's going
to go shopping, and we come up with breakup rule
Number three until emotionally stabilized, enter nose door. I think
that's excellent, But the problem now is that you can
shop online, so that's really hard, Like what do you
do with your phone and everything? Right, So cut to Samantha,
and this is very sweet. I mean, Samantha's so sweet here.
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She's trying to coach James in all these different sex positions,
and you can tell that she's a little annoyed, but
she's doing her best, you know, She's just like in
there trying to make it work. And in the end
she gets a vibrator and then James asked her to
put it.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Away, which is so bad, really bad.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Men.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Do not do this.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I don't know if there are any men listening, but
if you are, do not do this to any women,
and women don't do it to any other women. But
I don't think you would anyway, just my advice. Then
we cut to Charlotte and she's gone out, and I
feel like there might be a scene that got cut
out where either I talk to Carrie about this, or
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I go shopping, or there's some I feel like there
was a piece missing where I come up with this
plan that to get this new boyfriend to stop touching
his private parts. I'm going to buy him different underwear.
But maybe I just made that up in my head.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
So cut to Charlotte is in her really cute white
bedroom with her white hallway, which is really all she
has at this point of her apartment, and she is
giving Paul this present, and he gets very upset with
her because they haven't even had sex and she's giving
him a gift, which is such a weird overreaction, and
I don't even he doesn't seem to have any feelings
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that it's underwear, which is the thing that I would
have thought he might have thought was weird, Like what
a weird first gift. But Charlotte's all like it's supposed
to be the best. The person at the store talked
about the pocket.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Is that what she says? Something like the pocket? That's
what I say, Right, It's pretty funny.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
But anyway, this guy huffs off, huffs off over getting
a gift. Also interesting and weird. Then this is all
the best sequence in the world. So here's Miranda. Previously,
she's been wearing this green turtleneck, which I own. I
used to get Miranda's clothes at the end of the
season because they're very wearable. They're everyday clothes, you know. Often,
so is a green sweater she was wearing before. I
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wear that sweater still. Now she's on the street. She's
gone on her really famous what's now become a Halloween
Miranda outfit office where she's got overalls and like a
puffer on and a baseball cap. And she's out walking
on the street and she sees her ex, which we
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have referred to earlier with his wife, who is the
woman that he left her for, and she hides and
then she runs away, and it's really great because she's
been kind of on her high horse about how Carrie
should or shouldn't feel about her breakup, and then I
think she's a bit surprised by her own feelings about
running into him. And she's wearing this truly iconic outfit. Iconic,
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possibly for bizarre reasons, but also like so adorable and funny,
and whenever I see people wearing that for Halloween, I
really really love it.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I think it's so great. All right.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
So now Carrie's out at a bar with the new Yankee,
and now she finally sees mister Big and he walks
over to her, and she feels calm because it's the
perfect first meeting. Breakup rule number four. Never stop thinking
about him, even for a moment, because that's the moment
he'll appear. I do find this to be true, Yes,
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for sure. So he comes over and slow mo, it's
very good. I love how they filmed it. It's really
a good moment. And he touches her shoulder and she
looks at his hand and I mean, you just can
tell that she's a goner, you.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Know what I'm saying. Obviously we know what happens with
this relationship, but.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
It's all very present, even way back in the beginning.
So he touches her shoulder and he tells her that
she looks great something like that. But anyway, it's like,
you know, it's not gonna end well for the Yankee guy.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Let's put it that way.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
So she's walking home with Joe the Yankee guy, and
she's distracted.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
He kisses her.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
She starts crying, and she says she's she's not ready,
and she asks him to leave, and he doesn't, and
then she says, Okay, then I'll go. She's interesting here.
I think carry is so interesting. And then she she's
on the phone. She goes to the phone and it's
an adorable old phone boothy guys like these actually used
to work.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
It's so cute.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
And she calls someone and she's kind of dramatic and
she says, like, can you meet me at our place?
And then they do this really adorable reveal of Miranda
sitting in the coffee shop, and we now have our
coffee shop set, our first coffee shop set, which really
takes me back to look at that set, and it's
so sweet that mirandas who Carrie called, and that Miranda's there,
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And really, every time I see these two together, I'm
really just so impressed by the writing of their relationship
throughout the years because I love it. It's so interesting and
I don't know that I really realized it at the time,
how interestingly they wrote them, and how they're almost like
a couple. You know, there are elements of Carrie and
Miranda that are kind of coupling, like, you know, in
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terms of their like emotion together. I don't know how
to put it, but you know, it's it's like she's
got to touch like.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Touch her touchstone.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
That's not really well put, but she's got to like
check in with her touchstone about her feelings. So Carrie
sees her, she sees Miranda. She explains that she fell
apart after seeing Big and then Miranda says that she
ran into Eric and that she hid and that she
forgot how hard it is, and she tells her to
take all the time she needs. And then the most
important breakup rule, You'll never get through it without your friends,
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which is so nice and like very also much relevant
to where the show goes and the movies and all
of it in terms of us being each other's soulmates
and you know, maybe maybe we're the ones for each other.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
And I love that part of the show.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
I don't know in the beginning if we really realized
how important that would become, but I I'm one hundred
percent down with it. I love it, and I think
that's part of the longevity of the whole, the whole,
the whole thing, really and part of why the fans
connect to it so much. And I feel, I feel
like it's an awesome, awesome, you know point in terms
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of you know, how important friendships are in general and
women to women relationships, and I feel in the olden
days especially I don't feel like friends were really thought
of as being that important. I feel like maybe now
friendships are are are really people are aware of how
important it is to have your your girlfriends around.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Do you feel like, yeah, sometimes I like I like
to get it. Yes, yes, I mean I feel that way.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I'd love to know what you guys think. Okay, so
I had to go pull the room you guys, and
my producers are telling me they're younger women.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
They're telling me that they think that Big knows exactly
what he's doing when he walks over and says you
look good, kid, and touches her shoulder, and they think
it's like kind of like him intentionally you know, flirting,
I guess, or or making sure she's feeling something back.
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That he knows what he's doing is the main point
that he That is not it's not like he's just
being there, that he's doing something to her to get her,
make sure she's still reeled it and make sure she's
not going anywhere, which you know, yeah, I mean, I'm
sure that's true. I'm sure that's true. That does seem
in character and it works, you know, it works, which
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is why it's so hard to get over people.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
And you, I guess you just have to leave the city.
You just have to go somewhere else, which is really
not possible really, but yeah, it's really hard. But obviously
we know that they have.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
It's so funny to look back on things when we
know what the future holds. You know, like, they're not done,
and I don't feel like they should be done. As
much as I want to criticize Big in the first
season and how he was with her, now that I'm
kind of seeing it with fresh eyes, I also feel like,
for whatever reason, they're each other's person and they're going
to go through all these different things. Obviously many many
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different years of different things coming, but they do have
kind of a I guess at this point you could
call it an entanglement. You know, they're they're entwined. They're entangled.
They're not done. Might not be the healthiest thing in
the world, but there they are. You know, it's interesting
and you look, it keeps us all hanging, right, and
(25:09):
it keeps us hanging for years, which is kind of insane.
From the writing perspective that they were able to do that,
and from the acting perspective, like I think they're both
so good, and that's partly why we are invested in
it and have our feelings and you know, put our
own ideas onto it, you know, project onto it, basically
(25:31):
because it's so well written, so well acted, and.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Uh, that's it.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
I hope you guys have a great day.
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