June 16, 2025 • 32 mins
Sarah Jessica Parker shares deep thought provoking insights into the iconic relationship between Carrie and Big. She goes against the tide and gives an analysis of Big that we’ve never heard from anyone before.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte? Hi?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Everybody, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? We had so
much to discuss with Sarah Jessica that we have another
episode all just thoughts, random thoughts with Sarah Jessica. The
thing that I want to say to now is that
I do feel that female friendship is so much more
valued and talked about and discussed now, And I love
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that so much because I do feel like it's just
incredibly important and it used to be a time where
somehow it wasn't discussed or you know, there were all
these soap operas where the women were fighting each other,
and that was always something that was very key to
our DNA was that that was not going to happen
on our show. We were never going to fight over
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a man. Do you remember? That was one of the
few notes that came from HBO over a kind of
very minor story point between you and Miranda that one
time where she wanted to date that you had dated,
and you.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Were like, yeah, sure, okay, you know what I mean,
Like it was.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It was a different we were going to be completely
different in that way. And then eventually we get to
that beautiful scene on the stoop where I say, you know,
maybe wore each other's soulmates, which I remember was just
a beautiful scene in the middle of the night on
that certain street that I think I'm still not supposed
to mention.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Are I don't know what. Yeah we got yeah we
got some trouble. But you know, so confused the special
students on your daily path. Just go to the second left.
Just trust me, it's the second left. There you go.
But you know what else I want to ask you?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
But I mean, I'm going to have to mold this
over what you're telling me now, and I'm going to
have to really think about it from this person food
for thought. I know, I think for me right because
I'm over here, right like you're there and I'm over here, and.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
You had to play cares I'm up here. No, no, no, no,
we're sitting there in our housewife quote apparently, I don't know, yeah,
famous house it was housewife. It just makes me laugh.
I don't know. Yes, somebody said I'm up here and
you're down here. Really you're saying, oh, you're over there,
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you know, we're in our own bubbles.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Someone the other day told me that they think that
that the Housewife you know, uh franchise, mega franchise that
our friend Andy.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Created was inspired by us. And I was like, what,
I've never seen it, so I didn't know what to say.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
That she meant as a compliment. Yes, you know, Andy's
just a genius and came up on his own.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I believe. But anyway, and I forget. Oh, I know
it was good. Are you kidding? You said the driver
hare cast. Yes, because so one thing, when I'm looking.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Back on the show right and rewatching, which is so incredible,
I was in my own, you know, somewhat of a
tizzy right like the first beginning, especially because I'm in La.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I'm coming back. I have my golden Remember, I would
haul my golden retriever back and forth with me Kelli
and you know, like just trying to figure out where
I'm going to live and what I'm gonna do, how
A'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Wear those shoes that took her a whole season at
least to get me into the shoes she wanted me
to wear.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
You know, so funny. I know, I know it's also funny.
So I'll let you finish. Then I just want to
say something about your angst that you talked about. Please
tell me what you want to say now about I'm
going to say that, you know, I think you're always
really good about saying when you were nervous or worried
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or even if something upset you. But I was very touched.
I mean, I feel like I I hope that you
felt if you shared that with us, that you were
taken care of. Like I hope that when you felt
(04:00):
nervous or literally angst and you would lie in bed
and worry about seeing your body, any of these things
at the times that in which you felt comfortable to
share it. And I feel like we we talked a
decent amount about that that you nobody dismissed it as silliness, no,
but I was like, wow, it really like state. It
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was like your constant companion for the entire first season
for sure, for sure. And my part of me is like,
oh my gosh. But the other part of me is like, wow,
look at her. Because everybody has a way of like
revealing or beings demonstrative about the things that they're worried about,
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and some people are are willing to share it, and
some people just it blurts out and in different directions,
and you have to assume that it's because they're worried
or they're insecure, nervous like it. That's our most human
parts of ourselves. Absolutely, But I just don't like, you
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didn't really it didn't really mess with you. Curiously, I
know it didn't really mess with you. And that is
a real testimony because I feel like we talked about
being worried, upset, nervous, et cetera, and you, I think
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you started the podcast today Sarah Jessica doesn't cry much,
and I was like, what, I feel like I am
so sensitive so overly. Well, it's not creating sense of
or two different things, right, but I feel like in
my head I'm a mess, worried, nervous, et cetera, et cetera.
But we have like a job to do in the
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camera rolls is to try to convince somebody at that
time that you are Charlotte and you feel really strongly
about this and you need to get from A to
B and then B two C and and then exit.
Cy is where you're going to and the camera is
going to say cut right, thank god. Well, she was
so good at saying when she was upset, nervous, and
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then something did something like distracted you or gotten a thing.
Then it was like over and out and done, like
you expelled it. But I didn't know that you actually
weren't expelling all of it, like you weren't ridding yourself
of all of it. You actually were like, hang on
to have a hood about I did.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I did, I did, And I think, I mean, really,
what you're saying, when I think you're saying, is that
I am.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I don't have a.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Lot of cover, you know, my my myself if I
know you and I trust you, which I do obviously
trust you. Ever since the Krispy Kremes, I was.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Like, I can talk to her, but I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I think it took a while for me to feel
because I've been in these other TV situations where you know,
you did just kind of you were in your own
bubble and you had your own situation and you wouldn't
want to burden the others or you know, whatever it
would be, or necessarily share all of your thoughts. I
wasn't in a safe situation previous to our show, let's
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put it that way. So I think once we got
to our show. It did take me some time because
I thought all of you were sew together and New
York and tough, you know, and you are in a
certain way.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
You know what I'm saying. Nay, I just don't. You're funny.
But like you talk about the rain's nothing here. I
mean for me, I have so many traumatic rain memories. Okay,
like in my mind, like the sideways rain. I remember
one time. Do you remember that the sideways rain? Remember
that Nokia shiny phone I had that. You always like,
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why do you have that phone? Do you remember this?
Was it like a mirror reflected. It was like from
the matrix or whatever. I check my teeth in it,
which it lip and it was like a mirror. Yes,
And he would laugh at me, laugh at me. I
was on the shiny phone, which was like my prize possession,
trying to walk to my Upper West Side apartment. Yeah,
(08:12):
I had no they didn't past the men. Okay, I'm
not sure. I'm shaking the flowers. That's how excited I am.
The rain. The rain came and it came sideways, and
I was like the phone. I was talking on the phone.
I was like, oh my god, I've got to get
into a door, stupid phone.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yes, you know what I mean, like I have. And
then like one time I was shopping. Oh, this was
a bad memory.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I was shopping. I was wearing my bright pink puffer.
Don't ask me why why were that pink puffer? You remember,
I mean so bright but very cozy. Yes, you're the
queen of cozy. I love to be. I'm always if
you're looking to feel good, travel well, pack right among
the things. Lady, what are my specialties? Is true? So
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I'm marrying my paint puffer.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I had gone downtown to go shopping. That's when I lived,
the Upper West Side.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I had shopped. I had multiple bags, you know, very
New York City. I was. It was a day off.
I had no makeup on. I'm sure my hair was
a mess.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Suddenly the rain comes and I'm like, no, I think
I was wearing mug boots and I'm not prepared for
the rain. It's cold too, right, soa I'm wearing the
puffer and it got so wet that the bags gave out.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
The things get that fall on the ground. That's really awful. Yeah,
then I have to find the subway. I'm on the subway.
I get on the subway, I'm holding the things. I'm
like a wet rat, you know, and these young high
school kids get on and there are a bunch of
boys and they're like rah, and I'm like, oh god.
And they look at me and they're like, that was
like that girl from the Sex and the City. And
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the other guy's like, that's not her. She's ugly.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
And I was like, okay, I don't know if this
is good or bad, but it looked like a white rad,
a wet rad.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I'm like, you know, it's probably a white rang. Whichever, both,
it's probably a good thing because they're not gonna ask
for autographic a picture right now. I don't think we
were a picture time in history anyway.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Side note, I feel very much a whimp, you know,
compared to you guys, even Cynthia especially, I mean, Kim
is definitely more, you know, of the sensitive nature and
and sometimes you know, she and I would.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Be like we're cold, yeah, and you would be like,
you know, used to it, I know, and that's actually
really good advice. But I always feel, and I felt
at the time in the beginning, especially because the first
season was so fast. You shot in three months.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I believe the whole season, and I was just like,
I got.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
To pretend like I'm a month we started. I know
we are going to get to the bottom of this.
I don't know. I bet I have my call sheets though, no,
oh yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Oh yeah, wow, incredible, incredible. Molly also has all the costume.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Molly's like a receptacle. She has like made so much
great enough.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So back to me and the and the and the
things I was holding clothes. I think for me, I
felt so upset that they had tried to demote me
during the pilot. You heard that story, and I didn't
tell you guys, because I felt like that was like
a weight and like also I didn't want them to
be like, yeah, she doesn't fit in, Like that was
my insecurity in the beginning, right, Yeah, I was like, yeah,
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we shouldn't fit in obviously, you know what I mean,
Like in my mind, that was that was like a
possibility for a while. It went away, you know, and
thank goodness. And also I did have that core belief
in Charlotte, thank goodness.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
And I feel like you guys did too. Yeah, I
didn't feel like you were. I had a core belief
in everything all of it right, Like in the Foursome,
I did. Absolutely it had to be this way, right,
you know that we all needed each other. Yes, even
if you looked at it like to survive. Absolutely, it
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was like, well we were, we were very because weather personal.
Yet it was like more like, well you have to
have she needs me, I need her. We are sustaining,
we are our life sustaining. Absolutely, because these stories need
to these stories need to bounce off of each other
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absolute order to be to have like relative and like
touch on things a.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Bigger because that's that's one of the things I love.
And one of the reasons for the podcast is the themes, which.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
We literally were supposed to talk about, but there's too much.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
The themes are so great, right, and I just want
to touch on this for a second at least because
when I'm watching you first of all, Also, let me
just say everyone has better storylines and first season than
I remember, including myself. Right, So with Carrie, I just
want to talk about Carrie for a second, and Big
in particular and the other men that are around Carrie
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because Okay, oh my god, Oh I've been dying to
ask you this. Okay, two things, Oh my god, thank god,
I remembered number one. Do you remember this insane sex
tape episode?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
What? Okay, yes, it's possibly.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
It's with Modalizers with Carrit with real mocked playing the modelizer.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
So I remember him. I don't remember anything else. Wasn't
he kind of a big deal? Did he become a
big deal? Was he's on Suits? The original Suits? And
then he quit acting and moved to Europe with his family.
It's not awesome. I know they pulled him back in
by doing suits la. Oh really, only a little bit
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he can out there? I don't think does anyone know?
Is he anyway? I's talking about toxic ma masculinity in
the world. I love him. Oh, I'm passionately begging him
to be on the podcast. What Why would he say? No?
I think he's busy.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
But you know what, we need him because we need
some clarity on this one episode. Okay, I didn't really
remember it, which I think is also interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
So you don't think it's material from her book.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I do think it's material from her book, and I
just haven't had time to look. Maybe she just didn't
want to mention, but you know how she was actually
telling stories that she heard. She did say I do
think that was a real story that was circulating, got it?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Old person?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
So basically, Gabriel mocked incredibly handsome, he was an artist.
You're with him at his art studio and he's like
moving paint around a.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Camera a big open soho space very much so yeah,
vague recollection, yes, And.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Then he says, but I need to show you my
real work of art, at which point he pulls you
into a different room and you're like, cool, Carrie, You've
got your cigarette, you know, you're cool. And you go
too this other room and there's all these old fashioned
TVs set up in this weird tower and then he
presses play or turns them all on by hand maybe,
and it's him having sex with different models, unbeknownst to
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the models.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
And you sit there, one at a time, one at
a time. Yes, yes, he's having sex. This is his
calling card. This is that I'm going to sleep with
you and film it and not tell you. Yes.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Wow, But he tells you, Carrie, because you're cool, right,
and he can confide to you. You're like one of
the guys somehow times in the beginning, I know, and
you very gamely sit there.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Okay, do you remember this no one remembers this. It's fascinating. Okay,
I bet I didn't have to watch it. I'm sure
you didn't have to watch Is there a shot that
I am included in this imagery? I would have to
go back and look.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I think there's a shot where you're included in the
back of the TVs.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
But we can't see what's on the TV. So I
bet I didn't have to see it. And then at
the end you're like, oh oh, and then your voiceover
says something like I recognize them all from the pages
of Vogue. Every major fragrance ad was represented on screen.
It's horrifying, right, But then you're so calm and collected,
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and then you're like, I need a cigarette. Can you
believe it? No, it's so.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Old school, you know what I'm saying in a bad way, right,
And I'm dying to talk to Gabriel Monckton what he
thought and felt film.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
He doesn't want to talk about it. Maybe that might
be why it's not his bright. It might be why
he's busy. So you didn't know, you didn't know you
were actually watching. To me, that's for sure. We had nothing,
We had no clothing, We were being getting.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Oh, you know, when I talked to Molly, she this
is when Molly knew every corner of Century City, sorry,
century twenty one, and you won't ask her where the belts.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
She lived down there.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And I remember going with them to Century twenty one,
like we would have shopping.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Down would be like, there's four dresses down here, exactly,
come on your lunch free, exactly exactly, it's a trip.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
And people on the on the Great Vitadini down here,
there were people on the they were like, what is
century twenty one?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
What are they talking about? I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
So anyway, there are some things, some some really like
question problematic, problematic. But for us at the time, I
I remember thinking like, wow, this is racy for TV. Yeah,
but I don't remember thinking this isn't true or anything
like that.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
We were just used to it. Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah,
I think the difference between racy and problematic it might
not have been even in our lexicon, like we wouldn't
necessarily have believed it was if the culture in which
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we were living kind of existed in a way and
we were just carrying on exactly, get on with your day,
get on with your life. Somewhere else, and so today,
of course we'd be it wouldn't it wouldn't be suggested
as a plot line. But if for some crazy reason
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it were like say a writer had dropped from a
time machine and offered that up, all of us would say,
you understand that, Carrie can't you can do this? Right?
The response Kerry needs to then go call the police. Correct,
Like there has to be an entirely different right response. Right,
she can't be a gavalier and internally objecting, right, which
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you do.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Later tell Samantha not to go, but then Samantha goes
because she wants to be filmed, and then he tells
her he's not going to film her because she's not
a model, and she says, do it anyway. And it's
all very interesting. But the bigger, the bigger issue for
me watching the first season is not these you know,
occasionally questionable and liked about the twenty seven guys. You're
definitely in like some very questionable locations and.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
You're just like what and you're like I just needed
to be kissed, Like it's all so very I just
love it.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
It's very exciting and also like odd, you know, to
remember back then But the thing that the through line
that is hard to watch for me and shocking really
surprise me is the complete.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Wall that Big has.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Up just as a human, you know, not necessarily towards you,
just in general, Like you take him to a party
where he takes you to a party, and that guy
who recurred, I can't remember his name right now, he
is his party.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
He had a cigar, he always had a cigar. Who's
blonde guy? I can't remember that, the one that who's
crossword puzzle?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I no, I think it's a different one than him,
But in my mind they were also the same, but
they were different blonde guys. We're friends of bigs and
you go to this party and this one girl comes
up and like kisses him right.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
In front of you and is like you you still
have my passport?
Speaker 2 (19:27):
You're like, oh, international travel, Like you're just so you
handle it, man, But inside you can see flitting across
your face at all times, so many thoughts and feelings
and thoughts and feelings. And then there's different times when
you try to get Big to talk to you in
all these different ways, and it's like infuriating to watch.
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I just want to shake Big, but I never thought
about it at the time, because.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
First of all, we just read a script.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I mean, I think that you were much more able
to be objective and think about the overall arc and
you know, things from a storytelling perspective back then. Even
that I was, but I was just like, it is
what it is. I'm team big, I believe you love
No no, no, I didn't really there was no critical thought
or whatever. And also, and I talked to Candas a
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little bit about it. It was interesting to hear her
point of view. That's what our lives were like then.
We were used to that as women being alive in
that time. Yeah, like there weren't some guys who were
expressive and some guys who weren't, or some guys who
are emostly intelligent, some guys who weren't. They were just
guys and they were shut off. And so your thing
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was like like one time, you'd have those couple drinks
and you'd go over and then you try to get
them to talk.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
To you, and you'd be like, Carrie, what's wrong with you?
You'd be like, I'm just too much. You know, You're
so not too much. You're amazing, you are You're so amazing.
You're too good for Big, you are Look, she's surprised.
I mean I've had so many guests also who are like, oh, yeah,
she's too good for Big. And then I'm like, well, see,
I tell us, I guess that made her happy. Like
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I don't know that, I don't know that Carrie's I
know people have a lot of strong feelings about Carry.
I've come to understand that people have feelings about Carrie
and that's perfectly all right, and there's nothing you can
do about it. And it just means they love the show.
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It just means something has connected gotten a little bit
with them. Yeah, And my feeling is that I believe
Carrie is very smart. I believe Carrie is bright, and
I believe that she is that she sees this man
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they meet. He asks her this question in the pilot,
and it's like a harpoon. It's like this thing got
into her that is interesting. And I don't know that
Big is as bright as Carrie. I actually, I really
don't think he's as facile and as complicated a human
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being as she is. It's like, if you look at
architecture that is beautiful, and there is a kind of
simplicity to it. You are admiring of its stability, You
are admiring of its place, that it can stand in
its simplicity and people can look to it and it
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can provide a kind of reliable shelter, and it can
be a mark in a time and history. And I
feel like Carrie looked at Big and she you know,
inexplicable feelings. It is the human being that can't explain
to her friends why somebody that could be beneath her
might be beneath her is dictating the hunt, yes, and
(22:58):
well put, I I don't think that that is. I
can't place any judgment on it. I can't say he's
a bad guy or vacuus or like shallow or not.
He is what he is. And it wasn't as if
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like there was an erosion, like water washed away like
a whole shoreline, and finally he couldn't take it anymore,
and like he's like all right, you know, like sure,
I think he came to see what her absence in
his life meant, and even if she wasn't the type.
Because I try to remember this, and this is a
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very long explanation for or as Bridget ever always likes
to say, uh, short, story long. Sometimes you have to
remember the age of the person, what year they were born,
who raised them, and what year they were born. So
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look at Big. Yeah, so in early two thousands, Big
was how old? I don't know, forty two okay, So
in that means that he was born in nineteen sixty, right,
or nineteen fifty eight? Sure, right, I'm going to go
with a fifty eight Okay, So he was born in
fifty eight. That means his dad was born in like
(24:33):
forty no, thirty thirty thirty eight? Yeah, right, totally different time. Yeah,
who raised him? Persian era people? Correct? He chose everything
the conventional way. He went to college, he got a
good job, he worked in finance. He bought this kind
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of apartment. He dresses like this, He goes for a
cigar like he is going to have to undo his
entire cultural DNA to appreciate what Carrie is offering. And
that's a really big deal. So why did she want
that so badly? Because that's what she liked. God, that's
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what she loved. He is who she loved. She liked
the way he smelled, she liked the way he looked,
She liked the way he owned the street. She liked
the way he drove around the city. She liked the
way he talked to her when they were good. She
liked the way that she knew she was mysterious to him,
that she was kind of like this, and I'm going
to use the word exotic in the sense of it
was unknown to him. It was like a she was
(25:40):
a source of total curiosity, but not what everybody else
around him was doing. And he did that two times.
He did the other thing two times. Two times he
did the thing that his dad told him or would
have told him to do. YEA, she is from a
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good family. Her hair does this, she can look good
in a ship. She's this, she's this. She won't embarrass us,
she won't be colorful at the wrong time. She won't
reach for the same cocktail that the men are reaching for,
whatever it is culturally that is. And so I think
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Carrie pushed against that the whole time, like she was
always trying to allow him the freedom to make the
choice that he basically said he wanted to make from
the minute they met. You feel that, I feel he
the minute that they had that exchange, the minute that
she said in his car the minute he said have
(26:48):
you ever been in love? And she said nine things
with one word or four words, and then he said,
abbs of fucking lutely. That's that's that's it. Yeah, it's
like I think it's being like. It doesn't mean that
she didn't hate him, that he didn't disappoint her, that
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she didn't think he was a monster, that he was
far less a man, that she endowed him with far
too many good qualities, you know, when he disappointed her.
But they did end up together, They did end up
being married because he wanted to be with her, right,
It just took a while. Yeah, because he's he was baked,
(27:32):
you know, he was cooked. He was done, and he
had to be yes, you know, yes, And she stuck
around enough. It's not like she didn't go elsewhere. It's
not like she didn't try. It's not like she made
herself unavailable. Right, So I like this, This is helpful.
(27:52):
You can't be that devastated by the loss of a
person if they were are a mere version of who
you always wish they'd be. Like when he passed spoil alert,
I think everyone else, I think everyone knows my go ahead.
When he passed away, it was pretty tough on her, like, yeah,
(28:16):
of course that's because they're not saying I'm just saying
that because that was a really hard fought for love,
no joke, you know. I just have to say one
(28:37):
more thing. Yes, I want to say this. Don't make
me know it, Christmas. I won't. I'm just going to
try to close my eyes. I want to say it
is the biggest honor of my life to work with you.
I love you so much. I could never ever ever
have dreamt that we would do everything that we've done.
(29:00):
And you are the best friend and a joy you are.
Thank You's we have a what did you write in
a card? It was so great you said it in
a card You're bones. Yeah, bones. I was like, wow,
(29:21):
I know. It's so hard to explain what it all
has meant, and it's very special. It's the most special
professional thing that's ever happened to us. And it's funny
because I don't know that we would ever have found
each other in a million years, Like if you had
(29:41):
not done this, and I had been in New York
and you've been Los Angeles working there, and I was
working in New York, like I was thinking about the
other day when I was like when I was listening
to the podcast, and I was like, oh, we would
never have found each other, so true, you know, like
our lives just would not have intersected. And it's just
it's amazing to have colleagues that you feel such intensity
(30:05):
for and about, you know, like yes, such like very
lively feelings, very lively feelings, and it's just amazing. And
I agree your family, your parents, your kids, like a
whole you know, like someone upsets you, someone said something wrong,
(30:30):
you know, like you've been upset with me, like I've
been upset. Like I'm like over like absolutely about that though, absolutely,
you know absolutely, it's a really big deal, and it's
such it's such a it's a it's the privilege of
a lifetime. It is a privilege of a lifetime. So
proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm going
(30:51):
to show you this one thing before we go, because
it's very cool.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Look at what I got at the airport. Do you
know what these titles have in common, Lord of.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
The Flies, that these are all banded books?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, look at this, you guys, don't you think this
is fantastic that they're selling this at the airport.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I'm going to give you that. Now, you keep this,
give it to give it to she would love it.
This was available at the airport. Yeah, isn't that great?
At the at the Hudson Books. Wow right, yeah, that's incredible. Great.
Next time you're here, we're talk about band of the
Naval Library, the books that have just been banned the
Naval Library. We're going to pass your talk about printur
(31:34):
we can talk about books on our set. Yes, yeah, yes, yeah,
that's always so much. You've talked about that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I have, and I'd love to talk about it because
you are just a multi high in in so many
beautiful ways.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Not really not like you, baby, I mean, sir Jessica.
A joy, a joy to have you. I'm not going
to cry again, okay.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
But really, literally, we could talk to you for a year.
I could have for a year an entire podcast just
you and me.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
What happens at work too. I know this life happens,
it works actually actually, but it is a joy.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
And there's still memories that that I know are hidden
in there and I'm going to get them out.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I'm going to get them out. Because you have memories,
then I have memories, we can combine them. And thank
you so much. It's been a total pleasure. I was
so looking forward to this. I know we've found the
next year. Until next time,
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte? Hi?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Everybody, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? We had so
much to discuss with Sarah Jessica that we have another
episode all just thoughts, random thoughts with Sarah Jessica. The
thing that I want to say to now is that
I do feel that female friendship is so much more
valued and talked about and discussed now, And I love
(00:31):
that so much because I do feel like it's just
incredibly important and it used to be a time where
somehow it wasn't discussed or you know, there were all
these soap operas where the women were fighting each other,
and that was always something that was very key to
our DNA was that that was not going to happen
on our show. We were never going to fight over
(00:52):
a man. Do you remember? That was one of the
few notes that came from HBO over a kind of
very minor story point between you and Miranda that one
time where she wanted to date that you had dated,
and you.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Were like, yeah, sure, okay, you know what I mean,
Like it was.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It was a different we were going to be completely
different in that way. And then eventually we get to
that beautiful scene on the stoop where I say, you know,
maybe wore each other's soulmates, which I remember was just
a beautiful scene in the middle of the night on
that certain street that I think I'm still not supposed
to mention.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Are I don't know what. Yeah we got yeah we
got some trouble. But you know, so confused the special
students on your daily path. Just go to the second left.
Just trust me, it's the second left. There you go.
But you know what else I want to ask you?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
But I mean, I'm going to have to mold this
over what you're telling me now, and I'm going to
have to really think about it from this person food
for thought. I know, I think for me right because
I'm over here, right like you're there and I'm over here, and.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
You had to play cares I'm up here. No, no, no, no,
we're sitting there in our housewife quote apparently, I don't know, yeah,
famous house it was housewife. It just makes me laugh.
I don't know. Yes, somebody said I'm up here and
you're down here. Really you're saying, oh, you're over there,
(02:12):
you know, we're in our own bubbles.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Someone the other day told me that they think that
that the Housewife you know, uh franchise, mega franchise that
our friend Andy.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Created was inspired by us. And I was like, what,
I've never seen it, so I didn't know what to say.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
That she meant as a compliment. Yes, you know, Andy's
just a genius and came up on his own.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I believe. But anyway, and I forget. Oh, I know
it was good. Are you kidding? You said the driver
hare cast. Yes, because so one thing, when I'm looking.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Back on the show right and rewatching, which is so incredible,
I was in my own, you know, somewhat of a
tizzy right like the first beginning, especially because I'm in La.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I'm coming back. I have my golden Remember, I would
haul my golden retriever back and forth with me Kelli
and you know, like just trying to figure out where
I'm going to live and what I'm gonna do, how
A'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Wear those shoes that took her a whole season at
least to get me into the shoes she wanted me
to wear.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
You know, so funny. I know, I know it's also funny.
So I'll let you finish. Then I just want to
say something about your angst that you talked about. Please
tell me what you want to say now about I'm
going to say that, you know, I think you're always
really good about saying when you were nervous or worried
(03:38):
or even if something upset you. But I was very touched.
I mean, I feel like I I hope that you
felt if you shared that with us, that you were
taken care of. Like I hope that when you felt
(04:00):
nervous or literally angst and you would lie in bed
and worry about seeing your body, any of these things
at the times that in which you felt comfortable to
share it. And I feel like we we talked a
decent amount about that that you nobody dismissed it as silliness, no,
but I was like, wow, it really like state. It
(04:24):
was like your constant companion for the entire first season
for sure, for sure. And my part of me is like,
oh my gosh. But the other part of me is like, wow,
look at her. Because everybody has a way of like
revealing or beings demonstrative about the things that they're worried about,
(04:47):
and some people are are willing to share it, and
some people just it blurts out and in different directions,
and you have to assume that it's because they're worried
or they're insecure, nervous like it. That's our most human
parts of ourselves. Absolutely, But I just don't like, you
(05:11):
didn't really it didn't really mess with you. Curiously, I
know it didn't really mess with you. And that is
a real testimony because I feel like we talked about
being worried, upset, nervous, et cetera, and you, I think
(05:34):
you started the podcast today Sarah Jessica doesn't cry much,
and I was like, what, I feel like I am
so sensitive so overly. Well, it's not creating sense of
or two different things, right, but I feel like in
my head I'm a mess, worried, nervous, et cetera, et cetera.
But we have like a job to do in the
(05:55):
camera rolls is to try to convince somebody at that
time that you are Charlotte and you feel really strongly
about this and you need to get from A to
B and then B two C and and then exit.
Cy is where you're going to and the camera is
going to say cut right, thank god. Well, she was
so good at saying when she was upset, nervous, and
(06:17):
then something did something like distracted you or gotten a thing.
Then it was like over and out and done, like
you expelled it. But I didn't know that you actually
weren't expelling all of it, like you weren't ridding yourself
of all of it. You actually were like, hang on
to have a hood about I did.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I did, I did, And I think, I mean, really,
what you're saying, when I think you're saying, is that
I am.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I don't have a.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Lot of cover, you know, my my myself if I
know you and I trust you, which I do obviously
trust you. Ever since the Krispy Kremes, I was.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Like, I can talk to her, but I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I think it took a while for me to feel
because I've been in these other TV situations where you know,
you did just kind of you were in your own
bubble and you had your own situation and you wouldn't
want to burden the others or you know, whatever it
would be, or necessarily share all of your thoughts. I
wasn't in a safe situation previous to our show, let's
(07:17):
put it that way. So I think once we got
to our show. It did take me some time because
I thought all of you were sew together and New
York and tough, you know, and you are in a
certain way.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
You know what I'm saying. Nay, I just don't. You're funny.
But like you talk about the rain's nothing here. I
mean for me, I have so many traumatic rain memories. Okay,
like in my mind, like the sideways rain. I remember
one time. Do you remember that the sideways rain? Remember
that Nokia shiny phone I had that. You always like,
(07:51):
why do you have that phone? Do you remember this?
Was it like a mirror reflected. It was like from
the matrix or whatever. I check my teeth in it,
which it lip and it was like a mirror. Yes,
And he would laugh at me, laugh at me. I
was on the shiny phone, which was like my prize possession,
trying to walk to my Upper West Side apartment. Yeah,
(08:12):
I had no they didn't past the men. Okay, I'm
not sure. I'm shaking the flowers. That's how excited I am.
The rain. The rain came and it came sideways, and
I was like the phone. I was talking on the phone.
I was like, oh my god, I've got to get
into a door, stupid phone.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yes, you know what I mean, like I have. And
then like one time I was shopping. Oh, this was
a bad memory.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I was shopping. I was wearing my bright pink puffer.
Don't ask me why why were that pink puffer? You remember,
I mean so bright but very cozy. Yes, you're the
queen of cozy. I love to be. I'm always if
you're looking to feel good, travel well, pack right among
the things. Lady, what are my specialties? Is true? So
(08:53):
I'm marrying my paint puffer.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I had gone downtown to go shopping. That's when I lived,
the Upper West Side.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
I had shopped. I had multiple bags, you know, very
New York City. I was. It was a day off.
I had no makeup on. I'm sure my hair was
a mess.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Suddenly the rain comes and I'm like, no, I think
I was wearing mug boots and I'm not prepared for
the rain. It's cold too, right, soa I'm wearing the
puffer and it got so wet that the bags gave out.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
The things get that fall on the ground. That's really awful. Yeah,
then I have to find the subway. I'm on the subway.
I get on the subway, I'm holding the things. I'm
like a wet rat, you know, and these young high
school kids get on and there are a bunch of
boys and they're like rah, and I'm like, oh god.
And they look at me and they're like, that was
like that girl from the Sex and the City. And
(09:37):
the other guy's like, that's not her. She's ugly.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
And I was like, okay, I don't know if this
is good or bad, but it looked like a white rad,
a wet rad.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I'm like, you know, it's probably a white rang. Whichever, both,
it's probably a good thing because they're not gonna ask
for autographic a picture right now. I don't think we
were a picture time in history anyway.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Side note, I feel very much a whimp, you know,
compared to you guys, even Cynthia especially, I mean, Kim
is definitely more, you know, of the sensitive nature and
and sometimes you know, she and I would.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Be like we're cold, yeah, and you would be like,
you know, used to it, I know, and that's actually
really good advice. But I always feel, and I felt
at the time in the beginning, especially because the first
season was so fast. You shot in three months.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I believe the whole season, and I was just like,
I got.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
To pretend like I'm a month we started. I know
we are going to get to the bottom of this.
I don't know. I bet I have my call sheets though, no,
oh yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Oh yeah, wow, incredible, incredible. Molly also has all the costume.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Molly's like a receptacle. She has like made so much
great enough.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So back to me and the and the and the
things I was holding clothes. I think for me, I
felt so upset that they had tried to demote me
during the pilot. You heard that story, and I didn't
tell you guys, because I felt like that was like
a weight and like also I didn't want them to
be like, yeah, she doesn't fit in, Like that was
my insecurity in the beginning, right, Yeah, I was like, yeah,
(11:09):
we shouldn't fit in obviously, you know what I mean,
Like in my mind, that was that was like a
possibility for a while. It went away, you know, and
thank goodness. And also I did have that core belief
in Charlotte, thank goodness.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
And I feel like you guys did too. Yeah, I
didn't feel like you were. I had a core belief
in everything all of it right, Like in the Foursome,
I did. Absolutely it had to be this way, right,
you know that we all needed each other. Yes, even
if you looked at it like to survive. Absolutely, it
(11:45):
was like, well we were, we were very because weather personal.
Yet it was like more like, well you have to
have she needs me, I need her. We are sustaining,
we are our life sustaining. Absolutely, because these stories need
to these stories need to bounce off of each other
(12:05):
absolute order to be to have like relative and like
touch on things a.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Bigger because that's that's one of the things I love.
And one of the reasons for the podcast is the themes, which.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
We literally were supposed to talk about, but there's too much.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
The themes are so great, right, and I just want
to touch on this for a second at least because
when I'm watching you first of all, Also, let me
just say everyone has better storylines and first season than
I remember, including myself. Right, So with Carrie, I just
want to talk about Carrie for a second, and Big
in particular and the other men that are around Carrie
(12:41):
because Okay, oh my god, Oh I've been dying to
ask you this. Okay, two things, Oh my god, thank god,
I remembered number one. Do you remember this insane sex
tape episode?
Speaker 1 (12:53):
What? Okay, yes, it's possibly.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
It's with Modalizers with Carrit with real mocked playing the modelizer.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
So I remember him. I don't remember anything else. Wasn't
he kind of a big deal? Did he become a
big deal? Was he's on Suits? The original Suits? And
then he quit acting and moved to Europe with his family.
It's not awesome. I know they pulled him back in
by doing suits la. Oh really, only a little bit
(13:24):
he can out there? I don't think does anyone know?
Is he anyway? I's talking about toxic ma masculinity in
the world. I love him. Oh, I'm passionately begging him
to be on the podcast. What Why would he say? No?
I think he's busy.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
But you know what, we need him because we need
some clarity on this one episode. Okay, I didn't really
remember it, which I think is also interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
So you don't think it's material from her book.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I do think it's material from her book, and I
just haven't had time to look. Maybe she just didn't
want to mention, but you know how she was actually
telling stories that she heard. She did say I do
think that was a real story that was circulating, got it?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Old person?
Speaker 2 (14:03):
So basically, Gabriel mocked incredibly handsome, he was an artist.
You're with him at his art studio and he's like
moving paint around a.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Camera a big open soho space very much so yeah,
vague recollection, yes, And.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Then he says, but I need to show you my
real work of art, at which point he pulls you
into a different room and you're like, cool, Carrie, You've
got your cigarette, you know, you're cool. And you go
too this other room and there's all these old fashioned
TVs set up in this weird tower and then he
presses play or turns them all on by hand maybe,
and it's him having sex with different models, unbeknownst to
(14:37):
the models.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
And you sit there, one at a time, one at
a time. Yes, yes, he's having sex. This is his
calling card. This is that I'm going to sleep with
you and film it and not tell you. Yes.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Wow, But he tells you, Carrie, because you're cool, right,
and he can confide to you. You're like one of
the guys somehow times in the beginning, I know, and
you very gamely sit there.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Okay, do you remember this no one remembers this. It's fascinating. Okay,
I bet I didn't have to watch it. I'm sure
you didn't have to watch Is there a shot that
I am included in this imagery? I would have to
go back and look.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I think there's a shot where you're included in the
back of the TVs.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
But we can't see what's on the TV. So I
bet I didn't have to see it. And then at
the end you're like, oh oh, and then your voiceover
says something like I recognize them all from the pages
of Vogue. Every major fragrance ad was represented on screen.
It's horrifying, right, But then you're so calm and collected,
(15:44):
and then you're like, I need a cigarette. Can you
believe it? No, it's so.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Old school, you know what I'm saying in a bad way, right,
And I'm dying to talk to Gabriel Monckton what he
thought and felt film.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
He doesn't want to talk about it. Maybe that might
be why it's not his bright. It might be why
he's busy. So you didn't know, you didn't know you
were actually watching. To me, that's for sure. We had nothing,
We had no clothing, We were being getting.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Oh, you know, when I talked to Molly, she this
is when Molly knew every corner of Century City, sorry,
century twenty one, and you won't ask her where the belts.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
She lived down there.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And I remember going with them to Century twenty one,
like we would have shopping.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Down would be like, there's four dresses down here, exactly,
come on your lunch free, exactly exactly, it's a trip.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
And people on the on the Great Vitadini down here,
there were people on the they were like, what is
century twenty one?
Speaker 1 (16:37):
What are they talking about? I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
So anyway, there are some things, some some really like
question problematic, problematic. But for us at the time, I
I remember thinking like, wow, this is racy for TV. Yeah,
but I don't remember thinking this isn't true or anything
like that.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
We were just used to it. Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah,
I think the difference between racy and problematic it might
not have been even in our lexicon, like we wouldn't
necessarily have believed it was if the culture in which
(17:28):
we were living kind of existed in a way and
we were just carrying on exactly, get on with your day,
get on with your life. Somewhere else, and so today,
of course we'd be it wouldn't it wouldn't be suggested
as a plot line. But if for some crazy reason
(17:48):
it were like say a writer had dropped from a
time machine and offered that up, all of us would say,
you understand that, Carrie can't you can do this? Right?
The response Kerry needs to then go call the police. Correct,
Like there has to be an entirely different right response. Right,
she can't be a gavalier and internally objecting, right, which
(18:13):
you do.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Later tell Samantha not to go, but then Samantha goes
because she wants to be filmed, and then he tells
her he's not going to film her because she's not
a model, and she says, do it anyway. And it's
all very interesting. But the bigger, the bigger issue for
me watching the first season is not these you know,
occasionally questionable and liked about the twenty seven guys. You're
definitely in like some very questionable locations and.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
You're just like what and you're like I just needed
to be kissed, Like it's all so very I just
love it.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
It's very exciting and also like odd, you know, to
remember back then But the thing that the through line
that is hard to watch for me and shocking really
surprise me is the complete.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Wall that Big has.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Up just as a human, you know, not necessarily towards you,
just in general, Like you take him to a party
where he takes you to a party, and that guy
who recurred, I can't remember his name right now, he
is his party.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
He had a cigar, he always had a cigar. Who's
blonde guy? I can't remember that, the one that who's
crossword puzzle?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
I no, I think it's a different one than him,
But in my mind they were also the same, but
they were different blonde guys. We're friends of bigs and
you go to this party and this one girl comes
up and like kisses him right.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
In front of you and is like you you still
have my passport?
Speaker 2 (19:27):
You're like, oh, international travel, Like you're just so you
handle it, man, But inside you can see flitting across
your face at all times, so many thoughts and feelings
and thoughts and feelings. And then there's different times when
you try to get Big to talk to you in
all these different ways, and it's like infuriating to watch.
(19:47):
I just want to shake Big, but I never thought
about it at the time, because.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
First of all, we just read a script.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
I mean, I think that you were much more able
to be objective and think about the overall arc and
you know, things from a storytelling perspective back then. Even
that I was, but I was just like, it is
what it is. I'm team big, I believe you love
No no, no, I didn't really there was no critical thought
or whatever. And also, and I talked to Candas a
(20:15):
little bit about it. It was interesting to hear her
point of view. That's what our lives were like then.
We were used to that as women being alive in
that time. Yeah, like there weren't some guys who were
expressive and some guys who weren't, or some guys who
are emostly intelligent, some guys who weren't. They were just
guys and they were shut off. And so your thing
(20:35):
was like like one time, you'd have those couple drinks
and you'd go over and then you try to get
them to talk.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
To you, and you'd be like, Carrie, what's wrong with you?
You'd be like, I'm just too much. You know, You're
so not too much. You're amazing, you are You're so amazing.
You're too good for Big, you are Look, she's surprised.
I mean I've had so many guests also who are like, oh, yeah,
she's too good for Big. And then I'm like, well, see,
I tell us, I guess that made her happy. Like
(21:04):
I don't know that, I don't know that Carrie's I
know people have a lot of strong feelings about Carry.
I've come to understand that people have feelings about Carrie
and that's perfectly all right, and there's nothing you can
do about it. And it just means they love the show.
(21:25):
It just means something has connected gotten a little bit
with them. Yeah, And my feeling is that I believe
Carrie is very smart. I believe Carrie is bright, and
I believe that she is that she sees this man
(21:46):
they meet. He asks her this question in the pilot,
and it's like a harpoon. It's like this thing got
into her that is interesting. And I don't know that
Big is as bright as Carrie. I actually, I really
don't think he's as facile and as complicated a human
(22:08):
being as she is. It's like, if you look at
architecture that is beautiful, and there is a kind of
simplicity to it. You are admiring of its stability, You
are admiring of its place, that it can stand in
its simplicity and people can look to it and it
(22:30):
can provide a kind of reliable shelter, and it can
be a mark in a time and history. And I
feel like Carrie looked at Big and she you know,
inexplicable feelings. It is the human being that can't explain
to her friends why somebody that could be beneath her
might be beneath her is dictating the hunt, yes, and
(22:58):
well put, I I don't think that that is. I
can't place any judgment on it. I can't say he's
a bad guy or vacuus or like shallow or not.
He is what he is. And it wasn't as if
(23:24):
like there was an erosion, like water washed away like
a whole shoreline, and finally he couldn't take it anymore,
and like he's like all right, you know, like sure,
I think he came to see what her absence in
his life meant, and even if she wasn't the type.
Because I try to remember this, and this is a
(23:48):
very long explanation for or as Bridget ever always likes
to say, uh, short, story long. Sometimes you have to
remember the age of the person, what year they were born,
who raised them, and what year they were born. So
(24:09):
look at Big. Yeah, so in early two thousands, Big
was how old? I don't know, forty two okay, So
in that means that he was born in nineteen sixty, right,
or nineteen fifty eight? Sure, right, I'm going to go
with a fifty eight Okay, So he was born in
fifty eight. That means his dad was born in like
(24:33):
forty no, thirty thirty thirty eight? Yeah, right, totally different time. Yeah,
who raised him? Persian era people? Correct? He chose everything
the conventional way. He went to college, he got a
good job, he worked in finance. He bought this kind
(24:53):
of apartment. He dresses like this, He goes for a
cigar like he is going to have to undo his
entire cultural DNA to appreciate what Carrie is offering. And
that's a really big deal. So why did she want
that so badly? Because that's what she liked. God, that's
(25:17):
what she loved. He is who she loved. She liked
the way he smelled, she liked the way he looked,
She liked the way he owned the street. She liked
the way he drove around the city. She liked the
way he talked to her when they were good. She
liked the way that she knew she was mysterious to him,
that she was kind of like this, and I'm going
to use the word exotic in the sense of it
was unknown to him. It was like a she was
(25:40):
a source of total curiosity, but not what everybody else
around him was doing. And he did that two times.
He did the other thing two times. Two times he
did the thing that his dad told him or would
have told him to do. YEA, she is from a
(26:01):
good family. Her hair does this, she can look good
in a ship. She's this, she's this. She won't embarrass us,
she won't be colorful at the wrong time. She won't
reach for the same cocktail that the men are reaching for,
whatever it is culturally that is. And so I think
(26:24):
Carrie pushed against that the whole time, like she was
always trying to allow him the freedom to make the
choice that he basically said he wanted to make from
the minute they met. You feel that, I feel he
the minute that they had that exchange, the minute that
she said in his car the minute he said have
(26:48):
you ever been in love? And she said nine things
with one word or four words, and then he said,
abbs of fucking lutely. That's that's that's it. Yeah, it's
like I think it's being like. It doesn't mean that
she didn't hate him, that he didn't disappoint her, that
(27:09):
she didn't think he was a monster, that he was
far less a man, that she endowed him with far
too many good qualities, you know, when he disappointed her.
But they did end up together, They did end up
being married because he wanted to be with her, right,
It just took a while. Yeah, because he's he was baked,
(27:32):
you know, he was cooked. He was done, and he
had to be yes, you know, yes, And she stuck
around enough. It's not like she didn't go elsewhere. It's
not like she didn't try. It's not like she made
herself unavailable. Right, So I like this, This is helpful.
(27:52):
You can't be that devastated by the loss of a
person if they were are a mere version of who
you always wish they'd be. Like when he passed spoil alert,
I think everyone else, I think everyone knows my go ahead.
When he passed away, it was pretty tough on her, like, yeah,
(28:16):
of course that's because they're not saying I'm just saying
that because that was a really hard fought for love,
no joke, you know. I just have to say one
(28:37):
more thing. Yes, I want to say this. Don't make
me know it, Christmas. I won't. I'm just going to
try to close my eyes. I want to say it
is the biggest honor of my life to work with you.
I love you so much. I could never ever ever
have dreamt that we would do everything that we've done.
(29:00):
And you are the best friend and a joy you are.
Thank You's we have a what did you write in
a card? It was so great you said it in
a card You're bones. Yeah, bones. I was like, wow,
(29:21):
I know. It's so hard to explain what it all
has meant, and it's very special. It's the most special
professional thing that's ever happened to us. And it's funny
because I don't know that we would ever have found
each other in a million years, Like if you had
(29:41):
not done this, and I had been in New York
and you've been Los Angeles working there, and I was
working in New York, like I was thinking about the
other day when I was like when I was listening
to the podcast, and I was like, oh, we would
never have found each other, so true, you know, like
our lives just would not have intersected. And it's just
it's amazing to have colleagues that you feel such intensity
(30:05):
for and about, you know, like yes, such like very
lively feelings, very lively feelings, and it's just amazing. And
I agree your family, your parents, your kids, like a
whole you know, like someone upsets you, someone said something wrong,
(30:30):
you know, like you've been upset with me, like I've
been upset. Like I'm like over like absolutely about that though, absolutely,
you know absolutely, it's a really big deal, and it's
such it's such a it's a it's the privilege of
a lifetime. It is a privilege of a lifetime. So
proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm going
(30:51):
to show you this one thing before we go, because
it's very cool.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Look at what I got at the airport. Do you
know what these titles have in common, Lord of.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
The Flies, that these are all banded books?
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Yeah, look at this, you guys, don't you think this
is fantastic that they're selling this at the airport.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I'm going to give you that. Now, you keep this,
give it to give it to she would love it.
This was available at the airport. Yeah, isn't that great?
At the at the Hudson Books. Wow right, yeah, that's incredible. Great.
Next time you're here, we're talk about band of the
Naval Library, the books that have just been banned the
Naval Library. We're going to pass your talk about printur
(31:34):
we can talk about books on our set. Yes, yeah, yes, yeah,
that's always so much. You've talked about that a little bit.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I have, and I'd love to talk about it because
you are just a multi high in in so many
beautiful ways.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Not really not like you, baby, I mean, sir Jessica.
A joy, a joy to have you. I'm not going
to cry again, okay.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
But really, literally, we could talk to you for a year.
I could have for a year an entire podcast just
you and me.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
What happens at work too. I know this life happens,
it works actually actually, but it is a joy.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
And there's still memories that that I know are hidden
in there and I'm going to get them out.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
I'm going to get them out. Because you have memories,
then I have memories, we can combine them. And thank
you so much. It's been a total pleasure. I was
so looking forward to this. I know we've found the
next year. Until next time,
Host
Kristin Davis
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