Sex and the Wedding! (S2 E7 "The Chicken Dance")

Kristin is diving deep into wedding etiquette and it appears none of the girls are following proper protocol. Madeline, played by the incredible Carrie Preston, falls in love at first sight which leads Kristin to reveal whether or not she believes it can happen. Kristin throws a red flag about one of the story lines not adding, will you agree?? 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte? Hello, everybody, welcome back to are you
a Charlotte?

Speaker 2 (00:13):
How's it going?

Speaker 1 (00:15):
I am here today with producer Easton.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Hi.

Speaker 4 (00:19):
Thank you meack wow.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
I mean, look, you're here all the time, as I know,
but I'm really happy to have you on camera with
me and or on the mic, whichever way you guys
are are you know what do you call it?

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Thank you? Thank you already such a huge help. Thank you.
So today we are rewatching episode two o seven of
Sex and City is called the Chicken Dance. This is
kind of a famous.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
Episode, yes, an iconic episode.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
People talk a lot about this episode and it's been
very interesting to rewatch it because it is very very
different than what I remember, like very different. But I
will share my memories in a second. But also I
wanted to update you guys on something. When Chloe mal
was on last week, we were talking about some fashion
She is the editor of Vogue dot com and one
of the things that I can't honestly remember if we

(01:08):
got to it or not, but one of the things
that we were going to talk about at least was
sir Jessica Carrie re wearing a kind of vintage Chanelle
blouse that she wore in the first episode about first
show Sex and City, and then she wore and just
like that. And there's been a lot of you know, conjecture,
is it the same bluss? Is it not the same bluss?
Was she wearing it frontways and then she wore it
back ways? Did the colors fade over time? Many questions

(01:31):
out there in the world. Which is so adorable that
people pay attention? But I get it because obviously Carrie
has an incredible style and incredible wardrobe. So I texted
Sarah last week and I said, hey, you know, did
you get this out of the storage? You know, the
where she has Sir, Jessica keeps everything very incredibly impeccably stored.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Everything is catalog.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
It's like a very impressive storage situation that I could
never live up to. I said, did you go into
your your storage to get out the Chanelle? And she
said no, she did not that Mollie had found it.
So then at the time that I asked Molly last week,
she was in a fitting with Ann Hathaway for devil
Ware's product too. It felt really bad I know, bro.
It was like, where did you get that Shanelle vintage book?
And she was like, get back to you, get right

(02:13):
back to you, babe, because you know she is. And
so she did. She got back to me after we
had recorded last week's episode and she told me, and
I love this story so much because it just goes
to show kind of the level of attention and care
that Mollie puts into her job, her work, and how
great she is. So there was a vintage door called
No Mad Vintage in New York and they were having

(02:36):
a sale of Karen Elson, who is a really beautiful,
incredible famous model red hair. If you ever saw her picture,
you would know exactly what I'm talking about. She was
selling some of her vintage clothes at No Mad Vintage,
and I guess they sent Mollie up some pictures of
the clothes and in the bottom of a suitcase these
are Molly's words. She saw this Chanelle top that she

(02:59):
recognized from Sex and City, what twenty years ago or whatever,
twenty five years ago, So it is not, in fact
the same top. I do think it's a different colorway
and it was Karen Elson's. I do think Sarah ware's
a backwards but is it was Karen Elson's top, probably
from the same year that Carrie wore it on the
original Sex and the City and now it was reworn
on and just like that, which is a really cool story.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
That's like more magical than if it had been the
same blouse.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
No, that is true, and also, like I think, and
I don't know for sure, it's possible that both were samples.
Because they only make things sometimes for the runway, right,
and because they lend things to us, which is so wonderful.
Sarah Jessica might not even have it in storage. She
didn't go look because she's too busy, but it might be,

(03:45):
you know, that Karen had a sample and Sir Jessica
Carrie got a sample. Carrie might have returned her Sir
Jesska might have returned the sample. So it's all really
interesting but kind of just amazing that Molly found it.
This is why we love Molly. There's no one like
Molly and Danny and I just love it when they get,
you know, credit for their incredible creativity.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
And I don't know, have.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
You seen the little shorts that they're doing about costumes
behind the scenes.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
I have not seen those yet they're fun. Got it's
really fun.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
I think they're on social media and maybe they come
on after the show on guess what we get to
call it HBO. You guys, it's so exciting. As of
this week, your apps are going to change back to
say HBO Max. I believe I could get that wrong,
but I think it's HBO Max.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
All right.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
I know HBO was in the title again and on
your little app on your iPad or whatever you're watching,
which is that's what I watch. But I'm very excited
and very exciting. And I oh, I should have worn
my hat today. I got at HBO Max hat that
I wore at the front open when we were doing
all of our like funny little spots for HBO about it,
which I think they're being really hysterical about it. Yeah,

(04:50):
and obviously right, and we love it.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
We love it.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
We couldn't be more happy. People are like, you're happy,
I'm like a no joke, We're happy? Are you kidding? Like,
like it was so painful to have to not say
HBO like it, it's so so strange. So we obviously
love HBO and.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
We're very hard.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah, it's not TV, it's HBO.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
I know, And then wait, did you see No Wiley?
He did a really funny little spot for the pit
where he's like, and it's not TV, but maybe it
is TV, but no, no, actually it's not actually really
TV anymore. Like it's pretty funny because.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, what is it now? It's streaming?

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, but that's not that's like a weird thing to say,
it is, right, Like what are we supposed to say?

Speaker 4 (05:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
I don't know either.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
Yeah, streaming does feel weird, right, but yeah, I don't know.
There's gonna be another word, right, I mean, whatever it.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Is, let's just call it HBO.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
It's HBO.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Okay, great, all right, now, okay, here we go to
the episode. So now, Easton tell me you've been producing
my podcast since the beginning, which is a joy. You're
incredible share. Jessica is a big fan and Easton was
not supposed to be talking to me today. We had
a wonderful guest who got sick and I'm hoping he
will he will ever soon and beyond soon, and we

(06:02):
love them, very excited to have him. But Easton's filling in,
so I appreciate that so much, But this would I
want to say. I think one of the reasons that
when you do the podcast, and that one of the
things I love about the podcast is that you know,
almost everyone that we know has seen the show at
some point or at least some of the show. Right
So for me, because I hadn't rewatched it since we

(06:23):
made it, you know, way back, I have memories about
filming it, and I have vague memories about that episode, like,
for instance, this Chicken Dance episode. I have vague memories
of the thematics of it. I have a lot of
memories of the filming of it, but when I rewatch
it, it's so different than what I remember. And that's what
I love about it is that, you know, the show
has seeped into the consciousness kind of of you know,

(06:45):
our generation certainly. I mean I'm older than you, but
you know, like it's in your consciousness though you might
not remember the details, but I don't mind that.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
I think that's what's interesting.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Right, Yes, because you when I got here, you quoted
a line from it, so you have a line in
your tell us it's a days off, yeah, so today,
just so you know, I have a lot of memories
about this episode of filming this episode. This episode is
kind of up there in the pantheon, a very very

(07:15):
difficult episodes to film. Interesting, Yes, and when I rewatched it,
you don't really see that on camera. And I do
remember that around this time of the second season, we
would be working literally all night, Like there is a
twenty four hour day in this episode, twenty four hours
straight of filming.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
I will get to that, but it.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Was the time when I remember thinking like, because here
we are trying to look glamorous, trying to wear these
glamorous clothes and have our makeup in our hair just perfect.
But it's you know, five am, six am, seven am,
where we've been working since seven am the day before,
and I remember just thinking there should just be a little.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Cry on against the bottom of the screen.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Please forgive these actors.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
They have been up for twenty four hours.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
You know.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
But there you can't do that, right. Yeah, And back
in the day, we always felt like we didn't want
to complain or talk about that kind of stuff too much,
so we didn't. So when everyone was like, isn't it fun,
we'd be like, yes, it's so fun, But really we
were just like delirious.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
You know, that's something whenever I watch a movie or
TV show that takes place at night, especially, I have
to remind myself. I'm like, it's probably like three in
the morning at this point, I'd be going all night.
Oh yeah, all day.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Oh if you've got the night shoots, Yeah, it's rough.
It's rough and for us. So basically this episode, largely,
this is about lovely Carrie Preston comes on and she's
going to be a guest hopefully you guys. I love
her so much, and she plays this character Madeline Dunn.
We're going to go in order. She is Miranda's interior
des enter because Miranda has bought an apartment, which is

(08:48):
so impressive and exciting, and she ends up getting married
in the episode, and it's very funny in how it happens,
and we her wedding takes place at the Plaza. And
the funny thing about the Plaza, you know, it's very
very famous hotel in New York City, right on the
edge of Central Park South.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
We just did our junket there for.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
And just like that, and it looks so different now
that when I first started watching The Chicken Dais, I thought, wait, wait, wait,
this must not be the one that's at the Plaza.
Because it looks so small. It looks small and like
super old fashioned.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
I thought like, I must be thinking.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Of a different episode that happened at the Plaza. But
then luckily they do say we're in the Plaza, and
then we show a room and it looks more familiar.
But I mean they've really redone it and it looks
way posh now, so it was kind of funny to
it looks the very eighties.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Oh yeah, this episode is just a few years after
Home Alone two, which was a big plaza. Oh my god, yes, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Bet it's identical. We should look at that. Oh my god,
I forgot.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
That's crazy. That's crazy to think about it.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
Big a couple of years for the Plaza.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Big couple of years for the Plaza. They had their
PR people working hardcore. I think for us it was
a very big deal to get that location because it's
only our second season. I don't think we had a
ton of money, so I think that the Plaza must
have been, you know, giving incentives to to come and
film there, and good for them.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Okay, we're going to go in order.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
Now.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
This is so cute and funny. There's so many funny
things about this. This episode is directed by Victoria Hakberg
and written by Cindy Schupak, who ends up being one
of our executive producers. Incredible, incredible writer. She was with
us for from this point in the second episode through
the end of the show. She's gonna come on. I

(10:38):
can't wait. We love her so much, Cindy, Cindy, Cindy.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
This is her first.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
One, the Chicken Dance, and we've got the incredible Cary
Preston in it, who is so great and has been
on so many things, which what I think of Carry Preston,
I really think of True Blood. Yes, and that was
so much fun to watch. Also in HBO not that
long after US possibly overlapped US, I can't remember, but like,
she's such a great actress and so funny, and she's
so herself when I watch this, like, it's so like

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what we love about Carrie Preston.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
She's so beautifully cast as Charlotte's friend.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
I might add, though literally I do not think that
we talk the entire episode, which is weird, but they say,
like the voiceover I believe says, you know, Miranda has
hired Charlotte's friend Madeline to decorate her apartment, and she
has some questionable things she brings in.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
She brings in these dancing.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Frogs, very questionable, very questionable statue. Sorry if anyone has
it out there, but it's big, and I have to say,
I feel like I grew up with some of these
things around me in the South. Like I don't think
my mom had this, but I mean it didn't look
foreign to me. It looked like very familiar. It's kind
of a Southern looking thing. So we begin with the adorable, adorable,

(11:48):
adorable Carrie Preston and she is she got this. It
also cracked me up the beigeness of this episode, Like
you know, when we look back and like I tech technically,
I just forget what things look like back then, right,
I remember living through it, and I remember that sometimes
things now seem familiar to back then. But also there's

(12:09):
just so much beige, Like it's bad beige too, it's
like really down. Like this guy Jeremy, who's this guy
who Cynthia has a crush on, who's been living in England.
He only dresses in beige until he gets married and
he's wearing a tux. And then the couch that we
begin the episode on that Carrie Preston is getting from Miranda.

(12:30):
It's like the dullest looking beige thing and it's a
pull out sofa or whatever. And Carrie is like, nice sofa,
but she doesn't look that excited. But I mean it's
really interesting to me I was unaware of, Like, at
some point we shifted to a more white, you know,
kind of modern look, which you know I'm down with.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say goodbye to bege.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
I mean we really need to say goodbye to beige.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
I think, you know.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
And now we have the millennial beige is a big
home trend that thankfully is going away. Oh but that
is another shade of beige. Oh no, we I want
to do too deep of a dive on beige here,
But it's.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Was it like the millennial pink?

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Like very muted?

Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yes, Oh, very similar to that.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
What's up with that?

Speaker 4 (13:14):
I don't know? It's interesting. But when you rewatch this again,
this is nineteen ninety nine, So rich heavy, it's.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Nineteen ninety nine, you guys. Is that crazy to say?
I think it's crazy to say. But we were filming,
we were filming this stuff a long time ago and
I think it's really funny when people really want to
argue in my comments about different plot points, and I'm like, Okay,
give us just a little bit of a break, because
it's nineteen ninety nine, and you know, it's interesting to

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look at and I have a lot of different feelings
sometimes about it, Like one of my feelings in this
I should go in order, but one of my feelings
in this as a couple times in the second season,
I'm like, thank goodness, big as adorable, and like, just
as soon as I have that thought, he'll do something
supernal and I'll be like, no, no. But at this

(14:02):
point at least I'm fluctuating, right, Whereas the first season
I was just like, oh no, but now I'm more like, oh, adorable,
and then I'm like, oh, but I guess that's how
the audience felt at the time.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
Yeah. Maybe, yeah, that's how I remember feeling when.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
I really Okay, great, that's helpful.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
I watched the first four seasons on DVD, like all
at once, kind of like I got into it in
season four and my.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
First four seasons at once. Yes, that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (14:32):
My stepmom had the DVDs.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Wait, how old are you?

Speaker 4 (14:35):
I was. I was like, fourteen, No way, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Oh my gosh, what did you think? Like women are crazy? Like,
what did you think?

Speaker 4 (14:44):
No, I loved it, Okay. I started watching it because
I was desperate to see boobs. I knew that that was.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
You did you get enough boobs in the show?

Speaker 4 (14:56):
I started watching it because I knew that it's HBO,
the word sex is and the title ye boobs here.
And then I watched like the second episode and I
was like, I can't wait to see what carries up
to next.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
I was like, so into you got pulled into the plot.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
I really did. Like these professional women living in New
York City, dating, navigating so many different parts of life,
things that are so different from my life as a
fourteen year old living in in California. Yeah, and I
just got so pulled in.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Wow, but I love it.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
I do remember being annoyed with Big at this point.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
No way, fantastic, That's fantastic. That's a great thing to hear,
because some people get very upset with me when I'm
annoyed with Big, and I'm like, this is super interesting,
But you know, this is a great thing. It's a
fictional situation with fictional characters. Which I think people also
forget right, yes, and it is. Everyone's allowed to have
their own feelings about it, you know, and discuss really

(15:50):
and I don't judge anybody, Like if you're pro big cool, yeah,
pro big, you know what I'm saying, right, Like, if
you're pro aid and cool. I don't know if anyone
is right now, but you know, maybe I don't know.
A lot is going on with Aiden in the current show,
but that's okay, we're not gonna we don't have to
talk about that, right all right, here we are. Let's
go back to Miranda. She's in this adorable no apartment.

(16:11):
She's got adorable, adorable Madeline trying to help her. Then,
so we discussed this Jeremy guy, and he is living
in London and he seems like a very cool journalist
and he's really cute. So she's kind of excited he's
coming to stay. This is why she got the pullout sofa,
because they've just been friends, but she feels like he's

(16:32):
been flirting on the phone. Now. The thing that I
found interesting about this episode, and I understand why it's
a thematic thing, but it weirdly seems in the beginning
that Miranda really wants to get married. Yes, oh I
don't remember this. I was like, what, since when does
Miranda really care so much about getting married?

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (16:52):
It's odd, It's very odd, right, But I do think
that when people around you all start to get married
or all start to have babies, you suddenly feel like, well,
why not me?

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Or should I be doing that? Or what is happening?

Speaker 1 (17:04):
I think it's like a symptom of kind of like
the time of life where this kind of starts to happen.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Do you feel that way?

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (17:12):
So I think it must be that because I was like,
I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Though, right right? I mean, and also, you know, because
we know what happens later. Obviously she wasn't like, oh yes, Steve,
I'm pregnant, let's get married.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
She was like, oh oh god, all right? But then
it worked out.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
But you know, then it didn't, as we know, because
life is complicated. Okay. So we see Miranda very excited
that she's going to have this you know guy come
who's adorable, going to come from London, and she's very
hopeful that it's going to go great. Then we go
to Carrie at Biggs, and again I thought he was
super charming. Big is super charming, and she says, can

(17:50):
I borrow a toothbrush? Which is kind of funny, and
he looks at her all silly, and then you know,
he pulls out this adorable little toothbrush head that's pink
and gives it to your out at the top of
the part that holds his electric toothbrush and gets out
a little toothbur I don't remember that I never had
one of those.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
It's very interesting.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
So she's very excited. It's a little pink toothbrush to
go with his little blue toothbrush, and she literally says
that she had never felt better about them. I think
that this is quoted somewhere in my notes? Is it
quoted somewhere in my notes? She basically says, single most
encouraging moments so far in our relationship, which is so adorable,
and she's happy and you just want to very happy.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
That's all we want.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
And he's cute, he's funny.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
A cute, big moment, right, he.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Kisses her on the forehead. It's cute as anything. So
then we go to Miranda's Jeremy has arrived and he
basically says, I'm tired of dating. I'm ready to get married,
and she looks like kind of excited.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
It's interesting.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
And then Madeline arrives with his end table, No, with
the end table for Miranda, and then Jeremy's like, well,
I like that end table, and then the two of
them just kind of stare at each other. Miranda's like, uh,
we're going to dinner, and he's like, hey, do you
want to come.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
To adorable Carrie Preston?

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Who wouldn't And she's like yes, and she kind of
bats her eyes, and Miranda looks a little bit perturbed.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
And I feel for Miranda.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
I really feel for Miranda at this point, but I
do have to say, Jeremy, I don't think Jeremy and
Miranda would have worked out anyway. No, no, no, no no.
So it's all very interesting. But anyway, should I go ahead?

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Yes, we're at the date.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Good they go to a date. It's so sad. Miranda's
the third wheel. They're not even looking at her. Carrie
Preston's just giggling as her character Madeline, and then Jeremy's
just looking at her all moony eyed, and you know,
then they're like, yeah, go ahead and go home, Miranda,
and it was it sad?

Speaker 2 (19:41):
I felt sad?

Speaker 1 (19:42):
And it starts Miranda saying this thing that I do
remember being a bit of an interesting through line with her,
where she says she feels like no one sees her.
And do you remember later on she has a thing
where she's trying to get the water to turn on
in a sink and it won't turn on, yes, and
she feels like the water you know this, I think,
like activation or whatever, it doesn't see her.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
It's an interesting Miranda theme. And also the thing that's
funny about Miranda, which of course she doesn't know about herself.
She's incredibly strong present she's how could you never notice Miranda?

Speaker 2 (20:14):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
It would never happen that you wouldn't notice Miranda, right,
But that's not how she feels, you know, which we
can all relate to, you know. It's so sweet. So
this is her through the whole episode.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
She's like, no one.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Sees me, so sad. Okay. So then cut to she's
throwing Jeremy a party at going away party and he
says something like, oh I got the hint, Miranda, and
then he, like you know, says something vaguely like you know,
madelineus must have had a lot to drink because she
just said she'd marry me.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
And everybody's like yeah. I was like, oh my god,
how bizarre. Like the whole thing is so interesting.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
I'm bizarre, and Miranda does not look happy, so I'm
of course very excited.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Charlotte's very excited.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Charlotte is all pro everything to do with marriage, you
know what I mean. So then we go outside, we
have a scene on the stoop, and I literally thought
I gonna say that we should all be each other's soulmates,
because that's what it looks like. Does that we're in
like the same configuration. I feel like maybe Miranda's on
the other side of me. Then when we say we

(21:13):
should all be whole soul mates. Also, I think we're
very cold because Cynthia is kind of clinging to me,
which is very unusual to make me. I mean, Miranda's
just having a sensitive episode, okay, Cynthia slash. Miranda is
sitting kind of on my knee, you know, like down
down one step or two, and she's like on my
body and I'm petting her. And then later we walk

(21:36):
down the street and hold hands and I'm like what's happening.
It's so adorable though, and so me and Cynthia, I
think is really what it is. But also I think
we're very cold because it's nighttime, and it's probably wasn't
one of those super hot New York summers like we're
having right now. It's a super hot New York summer,
but sometimes it wasn't. And we would start filming in February,

(21:58):
which I think I've said before, we would begin the
season in February because we came on in June, so
we would the first couple episodes it's literally with winter
like Nightmare and winter New York. But we're in our
small dresses anyway, and then you know, like you can
sometimes see we're like, you know so and sometimes you
can see our breath.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
Oh yeah, I have noticed that.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Always a situation, all right, and like how do you
fix that? How do you fix that? There's really no
way to fix that. So I think it's one of those.
But I don't think it's bitter February. I think it's
just chilly summer, right, Chili spring, I guess, because we're
what is this episode seven, so it would have been
it would have been probably June that we were filming this.
The trees are in bloom, so it's beautiful, but I

(22:38):
think it's cold, so we're we're on those stupid We
do not say the Soulmates thing, but I thought we
were going to because it's very beautifully lit, like that
scene that's coming in a season or two when we
say the soulmates.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
But it's adorable.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
So we're not there yet, are we.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
No, we're not.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
We're still in the party. We're in the party. I'm
very excited. Oh no. Now we go to the s
and then we're all mad about the proposal, except for Charlotte,
of course. And then we discuss the theme of the episode,
which is do we believe in love at first sight?
Which is so great. It's a great topic, and of

(23:17):
course Charlotte believes in it, yes, and I think it's encouraging.
Charlotte said, I think it's encouraging, and I agree, And
then of course Samantha does not agree. Samantha, and I
think she's right as well. She believes in lest at
first sight, and I think that's.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
A good point.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
And sometimes you don't.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Know which one.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
It could seem like Leston, it could turn into love
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Right right.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
Do you Easton believe in love at first sight?

Speaker 4 (23:54):
I do not.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
I do you ever?

Speaker 4 (24:00):
I know I don't think I did.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Okay, do you feel like this is a male thing
or just like a practical thing?

Speaker 4 (24:07):
I think I think it's a practical thing. I believe
in lust at first sight, sure, and I think those
feelings can be so intense that they sometimes get misinterpreted.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Totally.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
If my lovely wife Allison is listening, yes, immediately that
I was in love with you from the first moment,
but I yes, specific case, yes, But I don't generally
as a concept, I don't like to believe.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
I like, it's a nice idea.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
It's a nice idea.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
It's a very nice idea, and I mean, in my mind,
I don't know that it matters if it's lest your love.
I think that the danger of believing in love at
first sight is that you're somehow always looking for that
and you don't think other things are good enough. Yes,
that would be bad. And I do think that women
do that sometimes because we have been kind of fed

(25:04):
this thing from film and television, but mostly film, that
there is this thing called love at first sight. And
so then if let's say you meet somebody and it's
like a slow burn, you might think that that's not
good enough, that you need the love at first sight,
and that person might be fantastic, Yes, right, So you
don't want to be holding up this impossible bar that

(25:25):
you're trying to match or meet or whatever. You know
that that's the only thing that we'll do, because that
is definitely problematic, right, Yes, And so I think it's
nice that we have Charlotte who's on the one side
going like, yes, I believe in this, and very soon
Trey is going to come, which is kind of like
love slash whatever you want to call it. I don't
think it's lest. I think it's more than that, it's depth.

(25:47):
I also think that there's just like a in my mind,
I think I probably do believe in love at first sight. A.
I'm really gonna regret saying it, but I have experienced
some things similar to this, but it wasn't like lust, right,
like I believe fully in love at first sight.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Sorry, lust at first sight.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
See now I'm turning into Charlotte. I also think that's
part of the reason sometimes I can't say the swear
words just because we talk about Charlotte and it like
starts to overcome me.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
The Charlotte and stuff at all.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
I felt lust, you know when you see someone, because
it's like a visual thing lust. Right, But then I
met someone one time quite quite some time ago, and
it wasn't like lust. It was more odd like like
just like a pull towards that person, but not like
a lust, like I just wanted to be near that person.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
I didn't want to walk away from that person.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Is it like you start imagining like, oh that, what
would it be like if we got married or would
be like No, I'm not like that. Those aren't flashing
your mind.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
No, No, I'm not like that. I'm not like Charlotte
at all, like literally at all. No, not like that
at all. No, more like the sun shine brighter, do
you know what I mean? Like this person just had
like this energy that I just was drawn to from

(27:10):
the moment I met him in a parking lot where
I just wanted to be with him and do whatever
he said. He was in charge of this situation that
I met him in, and my team was with me,
Amy was there, and they were looking at me like

(27:31):
what who are you?

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Like what is happening?

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Because I was just like okay, like whatever he said.
I was like, yes, okay, okay, You're just like, that's
not the Christ that we know. And I just was very.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Drawn, you know, to him. It wasn't lustful.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
It was more just like I just want to be
there where he is and just look at him and
listen to him. Just sit there and feel the energy,
do you know what I mean? It radiates from him.
And then time went on, I was friendly with him,
I was not involved with him for quite some time,
and we would text professionally. And one time in the

(28:12):
wee hours, one night filming, I was with Sir Jessica
and it was later like it was later sometime, possibly
a movie, and it was the wee hours. Were on
the corner outside somewhere, and this person texted me and
see the smile on your face. I was smiling texting,
you know, and you're smiling texting, and so just was like,
what is this? What is this? And I was like, oh, no,

(28:35):
I've been caught. I was like, it's nothing, it's nothing,
it's nothing. I don't even know this person's situation. I
just know this person professionally. And she was like, well,
tell me more, and I was like I did you know?
And you know, I can't lie to Sir Jesica. It's impossible, right.
So then I was like, you know, it's just me.
It's not him, it's just me. I don't know, you

(28:55):
know how he feels. We just have this professional relationship.
I don't want to ruin it, blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
And she was like, well, you know, let me ruin
it for you.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
And I'm like, oh God, anyway, that's my story. I'm
not going to tell the rest of it. But I
do believe when I look back on that that it
was it was pretty close to love at first sight.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
Wow, that's incredible.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah, it was good.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
It's good.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
It's possible.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
I do think it's possible. I mean, look, I also
feel like, what if situations were different, you know, I
could have never I could have just kept it in
my mind as like a good feeling.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
But it was pretty powerful and it did it did
last for quite so many years, but it didn't ultimately
like work out. I don't. I think that's the problem
is if you think that that means it's going to
all work out, that's a problem, yes, because that does
not mean it's all going to work out.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
No, Sadly, those feelings can happen, but it's not going
to You're not going to ride off into the sunset
together like Prince Charming.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
You know, right, damn it? I know right. Yes, Okay,
let's get back to the episode. That was our deep
personal conversation of the episode. Now here we go. Okay,
So then, okay, then this is kind of funny and
this was the storyline that you remembered from the episode.
So a handsome man walks up while we're all on

(30:19):
the stoop and basically kind of flirts with Samantha roughly
and says like, are you leaving? Are you guys going
back in? And she says, well, I left the party
because there were no handsome single men there. Obviously this
guy is a handsome single man, and so she gets
all interested and basically leaves, and Miranda says, oh, I
get it. My apartment is going to be lucky for

(30:40):
everybody but me. So sad and also very Miranda, right,
very Miranda. And then she complains that she's invisible at
her own apartment because when they try to go back
in the apartment, the door man doesn't recognize her. Which
really hurts. Oh my gosh. So then we go we
go to Carrie's apartment. Carrie goes home from this. This

(31:00):
is what I love about the episode. This event of
these two falling in love so quickly and getting engaged
so quickly stirs all of us up in different ways.
And I do find that very relatable because sometimes you
can just be fine. You think you're fine, you think
everything's fine in your life, and then something happens to
one of your friends and it makes you doubt everything
about your.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
Life, yes completely, A marriage, a baby, a new job.
Just something happens and it shakes up everybody's confidence.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Right, and you think, like, am I doing the wrong thing?
Am I not where I should be? Should be fuller,
further along? So I think for Carrie, she gets home
and she feels like I need to call Big, even
though the last time we saw her with Big, she's
the happiest she's ever been with Big. Yes, right, the
most settled or whatever you want to say, like the
most encouraged. I believe that's the word she used. So
she goes home. She calls Big. He answers on his

(31:45):
cute landline by his bed. He's asleep, it's all very
funny and adorable and old fashioned. And she basically asks
him if he believes in love at first sight, and
of course he says no, because he's.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Big and he's a guy.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
I mean, I need to know if there are any
men listening, if you guys believe in love it first sight,
because I don't know any men who would probably be like, yes,
I believe in love it, except for possibly Matthew Broderick,
because Matthew Brodrey tells a very adorable story about seeing
Sir Jessica for the first time walking down the street
towards him and that he thought, yes, that's it.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
I love them so much.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Right, is not so adorable? And thank god he's on
the record talking about this so that I can talk
about it as well. Anyway, back to Carrie and Big,
So she calls him and she basically says, you know
that she's shocked that they got engaged so quickly, and
then he says something like, you know, what's so surprising
about that or whatever? He's so weird, Big, And then

(32:41):
he asked her what she's wearing, which for me, I'm like, yes, Big,
And then I'm like no, Big, because he does it
with such a like such an egg sounded like, I ow,
that was very good Easton. But yes, I'm just like,
oh big, why do you have to ruin things like this?
So then she's like, no, I'm wearing a tube top.

(33:02):
I don't know Denham and he's like oh, and you
can tell he's making fun of her a little bit.
I didn't like that. Then Carrie starts to wonder because
she's writing, and because she's Carrie, she wonders in a
city as cynical as New York, is it still possible
to believe in love at first sight? And that's great,
It's so great. And then we cut to this dude
on the street. We have a montage of people talking

(33:24):
to the camera, which crazy. I didn't think we're still
doing this.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
Yeah, this was This is a nice interesting return, right,
I mean, did you like it?

Speaker 1 (33:31):
You liked it?

Speaker 4 (33:32):
I thought it was fun because cool like when people
talk about this all the time, but like when you
watch the whole show and then you go back to
season one, you're like, oh, yeah, they used to do
this talking hits.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Oh yeah, it's intense. Well, we also used to do
a lot more of it. This I liked because it
was a little it was fewer people, and it was
a little bit more in depth, you know what I'm saying,
Like they say more sentences, which is great. So a
guy says, love it. First sight is for Carmen Elektra
and Dennis Rodman too flaky for New York His Terrechal

(34:02):
takes me totally totally. I don't know if people know
who these people are, but at the time Dennis Rodman
was playing I believe for the Lakers or the Bulls.
Maybe the Bulls. Oh Easton knows the Basketball and Carmen Electra.
I don't remember how come we came to know Carmen Electra,
but I feel like she was everywhere. She's a very
nice person, very beautiful. She was just everywhere in the nineties.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
I believe I had a poster of her on my
wall as I watched this episode.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
For the That's adorable. Anyway, they got in love and
I guess had love at first sight, and I think
got married. I don't really remember all of it, but
I think it was dramatic.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
They were the couple for what they were, the in couple, you.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Guys, Oh my god, kind of like Timoday and Kylie. Yes, yes,
but older, yes, but hot.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah, anyway, he got me reminiscing. Okay, I'm back. So
Carrie's got her question, her single question now. Oh my gosh.
We oh and a woman says, how can you believe
in love at first sight when people jerk off on
you in the subway? It really made me laugh because
every woman I know, and I don't know if this

(35:14):
is still true. So anyone police who has anything to
say about this, come on the Instagram and tell me.
This used to very much happen, very frequently in the subways.
Like I don't know anyone who hasn't had someone expose
themselves to them on the subway.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
It's terrible.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah, it's insane. Yeah, I do feel I have a
vague sense that it's less happening now, but I really
could be wrong. But I remember that, and this is
when I was living in Hoboken, so I think for
me it was on the path training, okay, but also
people on the I mean I think it.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Was probably both.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
To tell you the truth, I remember never seeing cops
in the subway back then, and now I think there's
very much cop presence, a police presence in the subways,
like on the not necessarily in the cars, but on
the stations. But it would be late at night, if
you had to take a subway somewhere late at night,
there would be some questionable drunk person who would be

(36:09):
doing some questionable things involving their private parts, and you
would just try to exit as soon as you can
and potentially to a different car, and try to find
some people so that you weren't alone, because it was ick.
It's scary, but this was pretty common, pretty common thing,
so that made me laugh. We're at the planning meeting

(36:39):
where Carrie has to go to poor Matt. She says,
when someone's getting married in a month, you don't have
a choice but to see them at their wedding planning session.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
So she's at the plaza and they're planning, and she's.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Talking about how all the bridesmaids will carry different flowers,
and all of them, we find out later from Charlotte,
get to pick their own dresses, which is a very
cool and I think also kind of a harbinger of
what's to come in terms of when Charlotte does finally
get herself a wedding, and she makes Carrie wear a
very beige dress. I might add Charlotte is part of
the Beige Paba with you guys, and as I have

(37:14):
previously said, you know the Sarah ju Justica is still
mad at me about this, which is of course not true.
And I was kidding to all the people who wrote
headlines about that she is not, in fact still mad
at me about this, though at the time she was
displeased because she wanted to wear something cooler. And look,
she's right, I made them all wear like champagne color things.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Not everybody.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
It looks good in this What a crazy thought. And
I also think pat Field was like, oh, it is
very boring, but that is what Charlotte would want, right.
But Maddelie is in some ways much cooler than Charlotte.
She's got one bridesmaid carrying gerber daisies, which is hysterical, right,
So that made me laugh. That made me laugh.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Then we go out to lunch.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Now we still don't have the coffee shop set, but
this is a set with these wood slats behind it
that I think we would carry around and use. Like
if we had a restaurant that we had the location
of for one day or whatever it was, we would
dress it differently to pretend it's two different restaurants, right, Yeah,
because we couldn't. We didn't have the budget and we

(38:15):
didn't have the you know, like we had to film
so quickly at this point that like let's say we
would use it for another restaurant, we would also film simultaneously,
as we were talking about earlier. So this director, Victoria Hotberg,
was doing two episodes at once. That was the only
way we could get these locations is to crossboard it, right.
So that's also why sometimes as an actor, like this

(38:37):
last season event, just like that, we did not film
an order of the episodes because Michael Patrick directed the
first two, which means he does pre production, production, then
post production, then he directed after that, but someone directed
in between. But then in reality when you're watching the show,
he directed one, two, three, and four. And then as

(38:58):
an actor, you have to remember, way, what do I
know now?

Speaker 2 (39:01):
What do I not know now?

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Where am I emotionally now? What has already happened, what
hasn't happened. But we've always had a little of that
because we've always had two at once. Yeah, and then
sometimes it gets way messed up.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
This is a naive thing. Every time I see you
guys like in a restaurant or a coffee shop or something.
I assumed you were on location somewhere, and like you
shut a restaurant down and filmed in there.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
And I think back then, we are because we don't
have our set built yet. Okay, But eventually we build
the coffee shop at Silver Cup, which was the studio
that we filmed all of the show at. And the
reason that it was great was because as time went on,
we got more days to film, we got a bigger
budget and more days to film, and the coffee shop

(39:44):
would be an entire eighteen hour day.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yes, it wasn't always our favorite day because it's a
challenging thing.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Those scenes.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
You know, you have a lot of dialogue depending on
your storyline that time, and you have to keep it snappy.
You got to keep it moving right. There's always a
lot of props involved. There's waiters, there's food, there's eating.
You have to match your continuity to the eating. You
have to you know, please the director right, meaning you know, faster, funnier,
whatever it.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Is that they want, right.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
But the good thing of building the set was that
we could light it beautifully, so by the end of
the show, it was like this white capsule. It looked
like a like a space station. We would have white
sheets on the floor, we would have white on the
table because it reflects up at you.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
We would have just.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Surrounded by a light like it was so gorgeous. But
in the early days, we didn't have that much light.
And at a certain point we all started learning about
light and we would do this thing. You know, when
you're working, you get like a tiny little half a page.
That's the sides. We call them the sides, and that's
what you're filming that day. So in the olden days,
it would be kind of thick. The sides would be thick, right,

(40:57):
we'd have a lot of pages to do. And let's
say that you got to a setting and you didn't
necessarily feel like there was enough light. Occasionally, a few
of us, I don't want to name the other person,
we would take our sides and we would just hold
it under our face like anybody anybody paying attention, anyone

(41:17):
paying attention to how good this bounce looks. So that
was our little trick we did. And and now we just
say like, hey, could I get some bounce, could I
get some film? Could we move this light, you know whatever.
But our crew obviously knows what we like anyway. But
if we're in a different situation, we would do that. Okay,
So we're at the at the at the outer lunch

(41:39):
as we as we say in our thing.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Out to lunch.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Oh this is so good. So Carrie tells us all
that she has to write a poem. Madeline, I love
this poem so much, and I had totally forgotten about
this whole thing. I mean, this is when I started
having like flashback not flashback, because I was watching the
beginning of the episode. I was like, I don't think
this is the one that I'm thinking. Is there a
different wedding that happens at the p And I'm like, no, no, no,
it's totally the one I'm thinking. So then Samantha tells

(42:04):
us the sad news that she that she figured out
in the middle of having sex with the dude that
she met on the stoop that she had previously had
sex with him, and she calls it a deja fuck,
which is pretty funny. But then Charlotte, I say, how
could you possibly forget? And then she's and then I

(42:27):
think Carrie says, Dorothy, I don't think we're in single
digits or whatever. Is that right? Thank you so much,
I got it right. Yes, yes, it's pretty funny. It's
pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
I'm pretty good.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
And then doesn't Charlotte say she keeps a list, yes,
which is so Charlotte, very adorable, very adorable. And then
Samantha's just like, ah, but it's also funny to me
that Samantha is so disturbed by this, like what's the
big deal? But then she does say to the guy like,
why didn't you tell me? And he said, I thought

(42:59):
you were just playing the sexy stranger game, which is
kind of funny, great, Like I thought it was kind
of charming. But I guess for Samantha, she doesn't like that.
I don't know why, though, well, like, why does she care?

Speaker 2 (43:09):
I don't know. It was interesting.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
So then I tell them all that I'm very excited
about my bridesmaid's dress that is satin and backlist, and
I pound my fist on the table and I say,
this time people are gonna look at me, which is
really funny.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
And I didn't remember this at all.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Wow, But I like that Charlotte is feeling more confident,
and I do remember the stress about this dress, and
the kind of like you know, consternation from Pat about
like what would she wear?

Speaker 2 (43:39):
But she did.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Pat really did want to break Charlotte out because at
this point, also we haven't really got the budget going on,
you know, so like I think at one point in
the beginning, I'm wearing some like department store suit. I
don't know what the heck I'm wearing, right, Like, I
don't remember these clothes. I didn't keep these clothes. I
don't know what they are. You can definitely tell we
don't have a budget yet. But then if there was

(44:01):
a big scene coming, like the wedding, you know, that's
when Pat would be like, we have to get something
fabulous for them to wear. And I remember this dress
is by Ani Molinary, the dress that I wear, which
also is who Sarah Jessica wore to our first Emmys.
It's a beautiful yellow very much would be in today.
I don't know if she still has it in storage.
She could go get it and wear it today and

(44:22):
be at the top of the town in the butter
yellow you know situation, beautiful sequined dress she wore to
our very first Emmys, which would have been the next year.
That was third season that we got nominated, and aunt
A Mollinary is kind of a very cool designer who's
not discussed very much, and I think, like wrongly not

(44:43):
discussed very much, but I also don't think making clothes
still possibly, So I got this very cool Autmullinary dress,
and I believe I'm wearing Potfield's own Gucci shoes that
had a metal heel, which I think has now come back,
and I remember they were incredibly painful. You're walking on
like a metal you know rod basically under your foot.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
It looks so cool, but.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Totally it looks so cool, I know, but we didn't
care at that point. We didn't care at all. And
I think I was also very excited to wear this
dress because I did feel good in it, which was nice,
Like it was much more you know, I felt like
I was one of them, you know what I mean,
Like I got to wear a cool outfit, which was
super exciting. Okay, now we go, oh, now we go.
Wait is this when Big shows up? Oh? No, this

(45:28):
is when they're in bed and Big is making fun
of Carrie that she's trying to write the poem and
he's talking about you know, rhyming words and really making
fun of her, and then she goes, well, what do
you care You're not going to be there, and he goes, oh,
yes i am. And you're like, oh, Big wants to
go to the wedding.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
What a shock?

Speaker 1 (45:45):
And you kind of have some hope. It's like such
those moments where you're like up down, up, up down.
So then she seems to think that this might be.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Good, that he wants to go to the wedding with her.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Then we cut to him arriving and wow, he looks incredible,
And all I could think about was.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
The wedding in the first movie.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
It's so.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Charged.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
And that's one of the things I love so much
about rewatching the show is you forget all of the
moments and where they end up going, and how we
know about where they end up going.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
It's super interesting and really makes me feel good about
the complexities, you know, of the show and the movies
and the new show and the relationships and all the details.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
You know.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
So they kind of pan up Big in his tucks
looking fantastic, and Carrie, you know, it's like wow, and
then you're having this moment of wow, right, and then
she walks into her apartment. She's not quite ready, and
she's wearing a fantastic Donna Cairen dress. I also think
this might be her own dress. I could check. Maybe
we could have afforded a Donna Cairen dress.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
And apparently she's wearing flats, which honestly I didn't even
really notice. But possibly she's wearing flats, I don't know.
She goes in and she says, you didn't send the card,
like super casual, And he's like, well, why would I
send the card? And she goes, oh, because your name
was on the invitation? And he goes, well, why would
I my name be on the invitation? Who gave them
my name? And you can tell one hundred percent she's
lying when she's like, well, I don't know, I don't know.

(47:23):
You know, she cut her hems and haws, and I
just feel so bad for her, Like it's not good.
So after the wonderful moment of seeing him in the tucks,
now you're like, uugh, right, like he doesn't want his
name on the invitation boo and boo and boo boo
boo boo. So I feel for her, all right. They
go to the wedding. And now, first of all, Samantha

(47:46):
looks incredible. She's wearing this very like Rita Hayworth type
forties dress in this beautiful color, and her hair, Oh
my god. Everything about how she looks I thought was incredible.
And you could tell that Pat really was like, this
is what we're gonna do. Pat was always into the
you know, kind of movie star from the forties hair.
And poor Miranda has to be in charge of the

(48:07):
guest book.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Oh god.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
And then Samantha looks down at the guestbook and realizes
that her rerun is here and runs off. I'm like,
this is so not Samantha. I think the wedding just
brings out weirdness in everyone. You know, everyone so and
we're in like the weird part of the plaza, like
with the staircase and stuff. I'm like, what part of
the plaza is this? It's really interesting and odd. Hi.

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Speaker 1 (49:25):
Carrie tells Miranda that she's unhappy about Big Nutt wanting
to sign the card, which I get. Then I come
in my very cool dress and then I meet this
guy Martin. I meet him like halfway through the episode
at least right, and just like that other weird time
that I meet someone like halfway through and then I'm
dating them by the end of episode, Like Charlotte moves
so fast sometimes it's crazy. So I was like, wait,

(49:47):
I meet a guy I don't remember this part, and
he's very nice. He seems very nice in the beginning
of especially and I'm like, weird, Okay, interesting, I don't
remember this. So I do remember the I remember the shoes,
but I don't remember the guy. Then we were in
the wedding. Luckily we do not have to see the wedding,

(50:08):
thank god. We're in the reception and there's a lot
of flowers. Now, this is what's funny to me. I
have a very visual memory, and I remember what it
was like, at least what I thought it was like.
And this makes me doubt my very visual memory because
when I watched the episode, it looks super different. But
we all know that when you film, you only film

(50:30):
certain parts a certain way. You can only get the
camera certain parts, So my viewpoint might be very different
than what you guys would see. Right. But I remember
that there's a big ballroom, but it doesn't look at
all like there's a big ballroom though there are a
lot of people in there. Right, So maybe maybe I
feel like we had different corners of the big ballroom

(50:50):
set up in different ways.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Okay, you know, to try to make use.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Of it, right, So, like we've got the bride and
groom behind this like basically just like a wall of flowers,
like up kind of high behind like a wall of flowers.
And then there's like a little stage area where Carrie
reads her poem and she's so good in the scene,
and in the middle of it, she looks over and
BIG's phone is ringing and he's answering it, and he
gets up and leaves, and then she gets old Terry

(51:16):
reading the poem about love and has to try to
play it off that is for the bride and groom,
which is just so heartbreaking and sad and in her mind,
which she says later, she's thinking, he doesn't even care.
He doesn't even care. You know, he's here, but he
doesn't care, which is just an awful feeling. Doesn't want
to be wanted to right, he wanted to come, but
he didn't want to be on the invite. Then he's

(51:36):
sitting there, then he gets up and leaves like he's
just so much mixed messages. It's just awful and she
deserves better, as we know, but there you go. Then
this is what's adorable to me, and what is so
great about Sir Jessica and her smartness about how to
play things she goes back, you see her tears, you
as the audience knows why she's having those tears.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
He's gone.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
He comes back and he's like what did I mean?
And she goes my poem and then very sweetly, they
start playing a slow song and she says like, hey,
you know, how about a slow dance? Like with so
much charm and like wit, you know what I'm saying,
Like she really she is so agile in terms of
like I can recover. I'm going to recover and try

(52:19):
to you know, remedy this. I'm going to try to repair. Right,
let's have a slow dance. And then he's like no
or whatever he says, which is just so annoying. And
also it reminds me wasn't it two episodes ago that
they slow dance at the end and you're like yes, yes,
and so what is wrong with him?

Speaker 4 (52:38):
And that's why I this is why I like Big
because he is so he's so hard to feel one
way or and at least for me, yeah, I'm like,
oh's he can be in this episode, Jess. He can
be so sweet, give me so terrible, and he's not
one thing and that makes him a very interesting character.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
No, joke, no joke, And that's why she's also really
interesting with him, Yes, you know, to see how she
can kind of recover, but also you feel for her
that she has to work that hard. Yeah, but also
she's just so good, you know what I mean, and
he's so good. They're so good obviously together. But you're right,
it does. It holds our interest as an audience because

(53:19):
you don't know, right, it can be frustrating, but why
how else would it have lasted as long?

Speaker 3 (53:24):
You know?

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Yet?

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Totally Okay, So then we cut to poor Miranda, who
has to take the gifts to the van. Horrible job.
Horrible job. And this is when my memory I have
a lot of memories about this section of things. Well,
actually no, there's one more part that I don't have
any memory of it at all, which is that me
and this dude weirdly go up to the bridal suite

(53:49):
and we take silly string. Okay, what have you ever
heard of this? Anyone in this room? Silly string on
the bed of the bride and groom anyone?

Speaker 4 (54:01):
Yes, I've never heard of this happening.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
I don't know. It's like Halloween when you're ten.

Speaker 4 (54:07):
What is happening?

Speaker 1 (54:08):
The rose petals that Charlotte brings. Yes, yes, also weird
that this is our job, but okay, but the dude
has silly string and sprang it and apparently it's romantic
to Charlotte. Though the rose petals I think are romantic, Charlotte,
because you remember when I get married, we're in a
sea of rose pearls walking out of the church. But
so we go up with the silly string. Again. I

(54:31):
don't know where this came from. Anyone, please tell me
if they've ever heard of this in the comments, because
I've never heard of this.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
But what do I know.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
So we've got silly string, We've got rose petals, we
go up, we end up having sex. Oh my god, Charlotte, Charlotte,
Charlotte insane. And then my hair is not even in
that pretty bun that it was in. It's in like
a wacky ponytail. And I'm somehow still gonna go back
down there, which is super fascinating, Like Charlotte is interestingly,

(55:04):
Uh game, Yeah, you know, it's weird.

Speaker 4 (55:09):
The romance of the wedding is just she's caught up and.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
It totally everybody's in their own place. The wedding throws
everyone into their own place, and Charlotte, I mean, but
the thing that's scary is she's really thinking this could
be the guy, Like, what the heck, Oh my god,
Charlotte get a grip, so then we have sex on
their bed, which is also gross.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
I had so many thoughts and also no memory. I
have no memory. I did to tell my daughter I
was watching this before she's going to bed, and I
was like, yeah, I was watching myself kiss some guy
I don't remember, Like, what a weird job I have? Okay,
And I remember back in the day, there'd be like
one a week, like a new guy every week I
had to kiss? What on earth weird?

Speaker 4 (55:51):
The weirdest job you could possibly have.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
I mean, it's not the hardest job, Like, there's a
million jobs that are harder. It's just a saw odd.
And then when people are like, I can't believe those
people had an affair, Well, the people have affairs because
you break down all these normal boundaries that you would
normally be having. It makes everything easier. Though of course
I don't even remember this guy, so I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

(56:15):
No reflection on you, A reflection of the fact that
the twenty four hour day that I'm talking.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
About is this day.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
It is in the plaza. So basically we've got the plaza.
I don't think we had it probably for as many
days as we needed it, because we couldn't afford it.
And also probably it was overly ambitious. That was the
whole narrative of everything to do with Sex and City,
the movies, the show and done just like that.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
We're always overly ambitious.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
We write too much, we have too much going on
to ever fit into an episode or to even be filmable.
Like we still go through this where like at the
end we call it the boneyard. We've got like a
big fat schedule with all the scenes, and then at
the end it said to be scheduled, and there's a

(57:02):
bunch of scenes where you're like, who's gonna cut them?
Who's gonna break it to Michael Patrick King that we
cannot film these scenes. No one.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Everyone Everyone's like.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
We'll do it, Michael, We're gonna find a way. We're
gonna find a way, and sometimes miraculously we do.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
But sometimes just something's got to get cut.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
But no one wants to cut anything ever, right, So
it's a situation, but back then this was true as well.
So we've got the plaza, We've got it. It's an
expensive location. They got rooms for the actors upstairs, so
we would go upstairs and we would go to sleep
and or get our makeup touched up right. That's how
many nights we filmed overnight, like maybe two three nights.

(57:43):
I can't remember how many days we were there, but
the final day is the twenty four hour day. Our crew,
god bless them, did not have rooms upstairs because we
could not afford that. So by the end of the
wedding for Charlotte, this was the final scene that we
filmed at the plaza, was when I danced with the
guy's dad. So we have sex upstairs, we walk downstairs,

(58:04):
the voiceover says, And then the wonderful thing for Charlotte
happened where he said, do you want to meet my parents?
And she's like yes, and she's thinking, like this is
it And she meets mom and dad of the groomsman
whatever his name is, and the dad says, you know, oh,
let's have a dance.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
Is Martin is the yes?

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Is the character got it Martin's parents. So then the
final scene that was filmed of this whole wedding sequence
was me dancing with the dad at the wedding, and
the director is First of all, everyone's delirious. My point
of view is that number one, I have to dance
with this older man who is going to feel my butt,

(58:48):
which I'm mortified about. Okay. Number two, everyone is beyond exhausted.
It's the final thing. When I look out towards, you know,
the camera, all I can see is a row of
crew members sleeping on the bottom of this like you know,
you'd have like a half wall that would go around

(59:09):
a dance floor. It's like a half wall, and so
the camera can't see them, you know, obviously, but they've
just passed out. So there's just a row of sad
crew members sleeping on the floor that I'm just like,
God bless them, God bless them. They just are just
they just couldn't stay up anymore, you know, like twenty
four hours. It's crazy, right, and we're delirious, and the

(59:30):
Victoria director is just yelling at this man. She's far
away across the room, and I feel like she might
have had a bullharm. She's like, hard, harder, bigger, grab
her ass, grab her ass, and I'm just like God,
the humiliation factor God is so high, and there's like
close up of him grabbing my butt. How embarrassing. So

(59:54):
then I'm mad. And you can see when I tell
the dude, you know, because right after that he that's
in I'm my care dad, just right it past me.
And that's my real mad face, as you know who
if you watch the show in the movies, you know
my real mad face. I am mad because I'm mad
that I had to do it. You know, I'm mad
that this man I'd grab my butt. It's like mortifying,
you know eh. Anyway, that's what I remember, and I

(01:00:17):
remember thinking, like, man, we got a crazy show, a
crazy show up all night long for twenty four hours,
trying to make this craziness.

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
Wow, this is how we wrap it up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
This is how we wrapped it up, you know exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
That was a polite way of saying it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
I also remember that Chris had gone out that night
because he didn't think they were going to get to
the scene of he and Carrie when he says, what's
wrong right now. The funny thing is that in my
mind I remember that scene as them breaking up. I
don't know why I remember that because they walk off together.
They do not break up. But in my mind, it

(01:00:55):
was like a big come to Jesus moment between Big
and Carry. But I think that's because I was so
you know, related to her and what she was going through,
and that he didn't even watch her read her poem
that she wrote, like you know, that was so awful, right,
And they don't break up, but they do have kind
of a come to Jesus moment or whatever where she's like,
you didn't even care about my poem? You know, why
do you want would be here? But Chris had gone upstairs.

(01:01:17):
He had gone out, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
To his restaurant.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
He had a restaurant at one point, and I think
he'd gone out or his anyway, he'd gone out, he'd
come back. He didn't think they were going to get
to it. They were like, we're going to get to it.
We are going to get to that scene. And so
we went upstairs this room. He fell asleep. They had
to go up and wake him up and be like
get down there and do it right now. And he
did and he's really good, you know what I mean.
And it's probably four or five in the morning. I

(01:01:42):
think I got my butt grabbed at like seven in
the morning. Do you know what I mean? Before they
kicked us out of there or whatever. Anyway, I digress,
I digress. So she says to him, She Carrie says
to Big, I'm afraid we don't want the same things.
I want someone who's going to be with me until
the end. And then there's a pause and she says

(01:02:05):
of the wedding, And I was like, but the nice
thing is that they are together the end. It's just
his end and not her end. It's sad to think about,
do you know what I mean? But it's also really
kind of sweet. And then they do leave together, which
I totally did not remember. I thought that this was
one of the breakups me. It's a very interesting episode.

(01:02:27):
I mean interesting in so many ways, and I can't
wait to see the next one because at this point
I feel like I'm I have my memories right, and
I do remember that people would say to me like, oh,
the chicken dance when they throw the bouquet at your
feet and none of you pick it up, which is
so great. I forgot to talk about that they throw
the bouquet at our feet and they doesn't carry to
say something like, okay, see you guys tomorrow. It walks

(01:02:49):
off and we literally there's no thought that we would
pick it up, which not even Charlotte. And also I'm
wearing some guy's jacket, which is weird and mysterious. Whose
jackets did I put on? I'm sure it was because
I was cold, but it's weird and bizarre. But like,
we're so united at that point. We've gone through all
of our different feelings. Each four of us have had

(01:03:10):
obviously different feelings throughout the course of the wedding, the
planning of the wedding, and then the wedding, and now
we're all full united and like we don't want this,
let's go. And I love that so much. And I
think that's partly why people remember this one.

Speaker 4 (01:03:24):
Such a great sex in the city moment something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
It really is, and I thought it was. I thought
that that was earlier and at a different wedding in
my mind, like because your memory is not going to
be accurate obviously, you know, I remember moments, but I
don't remember that entirety, right, And I thought there was
another wedding, and I do think there are other weddings
coming that aren't mine. I think right, But I mean,
I can't wait to see you got it. I can't

(01:03:47):
wait to see I don't really know. Thank you so much,
producer Eve.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
Thank you so much for having me. This is so fun.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
It was fun. Thank you for your insights. It's good
to have a male.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
Perspective anytime you need it. I'm here only speak if
invited to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
You're always invited to. All right, thanks you guys, until
next time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Bye. Oh wait, have we ever asked Easton if he's
a Charlotte? Did we?

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
I don't tell us.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
I am definitely a Charlotte.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Yes, wait, are you Charlotte mixed with anyone else?

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
I think that I'm I'm a Charlotte with a carry rising.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
That's what I would say. That's how I perceive myself
as well. Or maybe a Carrie with a Charlotte rising.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Never sure, depends on the day, I guess. But yes, yes, yes, yes,
I relate. I relate to that, and I dig it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
And I'm not just trying to kiss your ass here.
But when I watched the show, Charlotte was my favorite character.
Identified with her so much because I wanted so many
the same things as Charlotte wanted. He did yes, and
I just I loved her. I love Charlotte, I continue
to love Charlotte, and I will always love Charlotte.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Thank you. I appreciate that. I love Charlotte too, I
really do. And thank goodness, you know, because it's been
a long time playing our, but she's really evolved. Yes,
I mean it's interesting to look back, you know, it's
really really interesting and I love to see like the
little moments like when I pound on the table, you know,
because certainly we're way more there now that she's a mom,

(01:05:14):
you know what I mean. Like she's very I think
also Harry has you know, given her the confidence to
be more of herself or whatever, you know, to come
out of her shell. I think very hard to be objective, though,
I will say that's my take on it. Good good.
If you agree, then then I feel better