April 21, 2025 • 51 mins
Kristin Davis is joined by the real life Carrie Bradshaw…Candace Bushnell!
They are analyzing the fart heard ‘round the world! And, they go deep into sex droughts. Plus, incredible secrets of the episode regarding that couple across the street and that guy in the yoga class.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte. Here we are. We are going to
recap episode one one one first season eleventh episode is
called The Drought and it aired in August of nineteen
ninety eight. And with us we have Candace Bush, now,
(00:24):
the creator of the column Sex and the City and
the book Sex and the City and of all of
our characters way way way back. So she's going to
go through this episode with me, which is super exciting.
This episode was directed by Matthew Harrison. I'm sorry, I
have no memory of you. I really apologize. And it
was written by Michael Green and Michael Patrick King. Michael
Patrick King, of course we have a memory of Michael Green.
(00:45):
I'm sorry. I also don't remember you. You probably were
in LA But thank you for writing this episode. It's
an enjoyable one. So this episode, and thank god Candace
is here to help me with it. This episode contains
this really funny thing that if you ever mentioned Sarah
Jessica Parker she is still mortified over, which is the
(01:06):
fart I remember at the time the stress about it,
like how are we going to do it? Because they
had to put it in a post, right, and she
was like, don't make it too big. She was very
stress it's really loud.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I mean because I watched it a couple of times,
and you know, I even remember when I first watched
the episode for the first time and thinking, you know,
if I farted with a guy, would I be that
upset about it? A lot of women would be, you know,
(01:45):
I think it's mortifying for a lot of women.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
But I just felt like for me, it wouldn't be
that big a deal.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
That wouldn't be that big a big a deal, and
it would just be like, oh, it was a whatever, right,
and it would just would just move on. But I
went back and I watched it a couple of times,
and you know, they made that fart really really loud.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I mean, I think they thought it had to be
to be funny.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yes, there was also another thing where it was, oh god,
it's like when Steve.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
With Miranda. Yes, yeah, that was and super mortifying, and
Darren Darren was like Candice, there was a big discussion
about how big to make that mortiving Yep, No, I know,
I mean there were times when for the comedy they
went a little far. Maybe yes, maybe maybe, you know,
(02:48):
what are you gonna do? I mean, I also thought
it was funny because Sarah Jessica was personally so mortified,
Like she was personally so stressed and mortified. And again,
if I think back to the time, we were doing
things in the show that weren't being done on television
and movies, No, you never I've never seen that. No, no, right, So,
(03:12):
no wonder we were mortified as actresses, you know what
I'm saying. We were like, we're doing stuff that no
one else is doing, Like, are we gonna be shunned?
Like are we gonna be like hated by the industry?
Like what's gonna happen? Like is it so embarrassing as
an actor? You know, like we were dealing with all
of these things at once. And of course it's so
adorable and endearing and her reaction is so cute. But
(03:35):
I think the bigger issue, which is what the episode
is titled, is the drought. Yeah, they don't have sex,
and then they don't have sex for like two or
three more times that they're together, which really sends her spinning,
and that I do understand. And then the greater conversation
that it leads to, which I think is so great
and relatable. Is is she actually being her real self
(03:57):
with him or is she just trying to figure out
what he wants and try to be like that as
much as she can, like package herself, you know, in
a way that is acceptable to him. Yes. And can
she actually let go of that? Yes?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
And of course what Samantha says to her doesn't help.
When Samantha says, you know, as a woman, you don't fart.
Men don't want to see that. They want you to
be a woman, which is, you know, it's a longer
speech that she says, but that's pretty.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Interesting. It's really interesting. And do you think that that
is true of like the Samantha as you envisioned her,
that she would say that, because you said she was
someone who knew everything like.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
That felt even for Samantha, that felt a little out
of character her saying that a little traditional kind and
a little traditional, because it seemed like Samantha would say
something like.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Oh, oh, darling, you know, let me deal with it.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
He should get used to that is, if he does
something naughty, there's going to be more farts to come
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Sure, I agree it was. There are things that she
says early on that you are kind of like what
But that was the finding of the character, right, so
like we kind of you know, went like this a
bit and then like solidified who we were. But that
that was one where I also was like, well, that's
really interesting that she says that, you know, yes, like
(05:30):
that's something that I would say, Charlotte would say yes.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
It seems like something that Charlotte would have said yeah
for sure, for sure. But they don't even seem to
want to tell me about it. I think, isn't that true? Yes,
Carry doesn't want to tell you, Yes, exactly, sad.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
He's so sad that I'm so prim Kerry can't even
tell me this thing that she's like now spinning out about,
you know. But luckily Charlotte grew from there. But let's
talk about the other ones. I have to get all
my different and this would I look back one of
the things that I am. Oh, I want to ask
you about breaking the fourth wall.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Oh, yes, that's so interesting because it's still in that episode.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I know it, and it seemed like.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I mean, I remember when Darren first showed me the
pilot and we were in Nevis and I was doing
a story on this four seasons Hotel, and he showed
it to me. Yes, and he showed it to me
and he was like really scared. And there were two versions,
and there was one version when I think Carrie's head
(06:37):
was in a bubble.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And it moved across the screen. Yeah, he had some
crazy idea.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
And it was like, Okay, that was kind of weird.
So he didn't go with that one gut. But then
but yes, that breaking the fourth wall and talking to
the camera, it's still in that episode, and I'd forgot
I thought that they'd dropped that.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I know. I mean there were episodes where it wasn't
and then it comes back, and then it came back.
It's really interesting. And Carrie talks to the camera too.
Yeah yeah, no, yeah, she had to, and she didn't
love it. She didn't love it, and there was a
kind of an ongoing discussion about it. But I think
that the idea of having the people on the street right.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yes, because that made it feel like they really were interviewed, right, And.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
So I think that there was a lot of stress
about letting that go because that was kind of one
of the original ideas that would make it different and
like relatable to New York City and interesting, and sometimes
they had really extreme ideas, you know, they'd have like
the more extreme storyline in their mind or whatever. But
then also we didn't get to know them, so that
(07:45):
was a kind of an interesting you know, what would
you call it, like a consistent you know that like, oh, yes,
they're just going to tell us this, but then we
don't get to know them. But I think for her,
Sir Jessica, she's talked to me about and other people
that it was hard because you know, we've got the
voice over, right, but then like when especially if she's
(08:07):
by herself and she turns into O.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
To the camera, who is she talking to, right, has
exactly he's in her apartment.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
It's really interesting because we're already in her head, which
was so powerful exactly for our writer, you know, that
was integral too. I think everything that we learn about
and know about her inside thinking and what she's you know, examining,
and how she's examining other people's relationships and what she
thinks about them, that was really super useful. But yeah,
(08:37):
I every time I see an episode of the first season,
I'm thinking that it's gone, and then I'll ten it's back. Exactly.
So did you ever say anything to Darren about you know,
how you felt about it or wanting it or not
wanting it or you know, I.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Didn't because I you know, I felt like he's.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
A you know, TV guys.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I mean I think that, I mean, what like one
of the things that I've learned about TVs just you know,
in the you know, because we did Lipstick Jungle and
the Carry Diaries. Right, if something doesn't work, like everybody knows.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
It's you know, it's very they're very rarely is like,
oh this doesn't work, and only a couple of people
know it now, right everybody.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
So I think that's true. I think that's true. I
think the thing for us that was interesting was that
HBO really had a lot of trust in Darren. You know,
they didn't say a lot and that was really different
from the networks that we had come from. Yes, and
that was great, and it's very different than the way
it is today, of course. So and I mean we
(09:48):
were just had a we lucked out in terms of
who was in charge of HBO at the time, and
that we were there at the time that we were there,
you know, at the beginning it was awesome, and I
think that a allowed us the freedom to find the
things that we liked and the things that worked and
the things that didn't, you know, because they weren't really
directing us one way or the other. You know, they
(10:09):
were just letting us figure it out, right, and they
weren't giving you the ow, she's not likable in this scene, right,
which thank god, yeah, totally, because that would have pretty
much ruined everything exactly exactly. Yeah. No, that's a good
point too. I mean, you don't think about that so
much in terms of I also realized what I look back,
(10:32):
I was not objective at all at the time. I
was just in it, you know, I was just in
it and trying to pull it off, you know what
I mean, because it was so much a different world
than anything that I knew, you know, this kind of
part of New York. I had lived in New York
as a poor waitress, actress, waitress slash actress, very different,
very different than these women, right, So I didn't really
(10:53):
know that much and I didn't know about fashion. I
didn't know about hardly any of it. So I was
just learning as I went, trying to seem like I
knew what I was doing. That's really my main focus, right,
And now I look back on it and I think
about the storylines in such a different and interesting way.
But also I have so much respect for how they
were pulled together and drawn and it was very much
(11:14):
of the time, yes, and very different, Yes, very very different.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
It really feels like, you know, I mean, it reflects
the way people.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Really thought about sex and men and women. And that's.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I mean, that's actually a sign of you know, a
great piece of work is that it does reflect the
times that are in. Absolutely it's in you know, Dickens
reflects the time that that was.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
In, of course, of course, and that's a good that's
good point because sometimes people want now to judge then, right,
but it's not really fair, no, because it was very
very different. I know that a lot of it seems
accessible and similar, but like the surrounding social scene, you know,
(12:06):
the society's expectations and what we were coming from was
very very different. Yes, And sometimes I think it's hard
for everyone on social media to remember that.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I know, what's sir. Joska Harker always says, what, don't
read the comments.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
No, she's right, of course, she's right, But I mean,
like people do whole tiktoks about this stuff. You know
what I'm saying, Oh, I know, yeah, and super interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
You know, and sometimes I read it and I'm just like.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
You don't have it. It's true, it's true, but I
mean it is like it's also on the same at
the same time, it's fantastic that people are so in
case you're going to say, right in it and fact
interesting interests and to put the tiktoks out. Yes, even
though they might not understand why Kerry keeps trying with
mister Big back then or whatever, I get it because
(12:59):
it it is interesting and they're still like alive. The
characters are still alive for these people, which is amazing, amazing. Okay,
this is a fun, fun thing. Miranda's getting her nails done,
(13:22):
which I think is like so cute with Gary when
she tells her that she has not had sex in
three months and that this is terrible, I'm like, wow,
three months is a long time. I mean, oh, that's interesting. Well,
tell us, can I think back then it would have
(13:44):
been a long time. Really, I don't think for myself
it would have been. But I'm not them, right them,
I see, I think that. Yeah, I think that back
then that would have been a long time. Now.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
You know, there are women who, you know, they say like,
I haven't had sex for four years, right, and they're
thirty two years old, which to me is like, you
know what, back then, you would have had to work
really really really hard not to have sex for four years,
(14:18):
which is super I meanter still would have been kind
of impossible. But people had a lot more sex back
then than they do now. I mean now there actually
is a sex drought. Wow, this is for real.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Whoa.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
But back then, you know, people had sex a lot.
So I do think in nineteen ninety eight three months
that would have been a long time, okay, because it
was so easy to have sex back then. Why because
there was a lot of interaction and you saw people
(14:57):
out in person in the wild.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
And it also feels like.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
It feels like the population was younger than and it
actually was. There were more young people, there were more
people in their thirties got it, and there also wasn't
as much to do. Now we have the phones and
there's gaming and there's streaming, and everybody is in their
(15:30):
own bubble, you know, bubble of like this is this
is you know, my entertainment. But back then.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
It was other people. Yes, it was other people.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
You went out and did stuff, You.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Did stuff, and people wanted to have sex. Amazing to
think that it was. It was very easy.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I mean now I have women come up to me
and you know, I mean attractive women in their fifties
and they'll say like, I've been trying to have sex
for the last year and I haven't found anyone to
have sex with me. Wow, which is like, this is
really a different time. It is really a different time,
that's for sure. And my question would be are they
(16:15):
on those apps and whatnot?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Do you think probably got it somewhat?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
But also in New York City, if you go out,
you don't have to be on apps. I mean I
meet people when I'm out. But I think you're good
at this, Candice, Well not really really. I'm on an
app too, Okay, Ryo Riah. I've heard about Riya.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I know you should.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I wouldn't say you should go on it, but I
do not want to go on I'm scared. No nobody
ever meets anybody in person on Riya. No way, what
this is true? Explain because everybody's so busy. Oh, every
is traveling. Everybody is. They have like big jobs, right,
(17:06):
I'm that one guy And I thought, oh wow, did
how did I get so lucky? Because this guy is
like good looking, and I think he asked me out
again and I was like, no, I'm traveling. What about
this week? And he said, I'm going away for two weeks? Yeah,
so that happens.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
A lot, got it? Got it? I get it, I
get it, I get it. This would be the people
I know as well. Yes, I'm sure the people I
know as well are all right. I just don't know
because I'm not on there. But yeah, it's it's once
you get to a certain level of success, it's hard
to find the time. Yes, it is. Maybe it's our priorities. Also,
you know, maybe we just don't have it as a
(17:45):
priority because we're so busy and doing our business that
is important to us, our job or whatever, Whereas back
when we were younger, we didn't have these things to
distract us.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
So we were like, yeah, let's try it out. Yes, that's
that's very true. And also there was something like today
it feels like people have to work every angle to
make money to serve you know. It's like they you know,
they have to be on social media. They have to
you know, They're just all kinds of things that people
(18:17):
do to make ends meet. And you know, I mean,
I look back on I used to spend weekends just
like hanging out with friends, you know, some house in
the country.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
It's like, I never do that. Now, nobody I know
does it.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Everybody's they're always like trying to catch up on something.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
So sad because it is I think it is a
little sad. I hadn't thought about that. But yeah, let's
think about that some more, because I think you're right. Now,
let's talk about them getting their nails done. Because I also,
I really love all of the Miranda carry scenes. I
really had not really understood the through line of like
(18:56):
them walking together and talking about things them, you know,
going to the drug store to get the pregnancy test
in the last episode of the Baby Shower, and like
they have such great, you know, kind of deep conversations
and Miranda really kind of is the only one who
totally kind of gets her and tells her things. Honestly,
you know, do you feel that? Yes?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
But see I always think that part of that is
because they've known each other in real life since you
mean the actors, yes, since they were actors. I don't
think that is why. I don't think that is why.
I'll tell you why. I don't think that is why.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Because their relationship in life is very different than the
relationship on camera. Oh yeah, I always thought that, you know,
they were really good friends and they'd known each other so,
I mean than they are, and and they were, for sure,
but it's just a very different vibe than what the
Miranda Carrie vibe is, and the Miranda carry vibe was
(19:53):
really present in season one, like from the get go.
It's super fascinating, like whatever, I guess, because they're different,
but not so different as say Samantha and Charlotte. Well,
we're like really really different, and it's kind of hard
for us to find a meeting ground in a conversation,
you know what I'm saying, because she would be very
(20:14):
much one way and I would be very much the
other way. But Carrie and Miranda are not that opposed,
you know, they're just slightly different takes on things. And
maybe Miranda's going to say something to her, like, you know,
you shouldn't have cheated with Big or whatever. So I'm
giving an example. But you know, she might tell her
like it is, where's Charlotte Probably wouldn't you know, she
(20:35):
might just be like, oh God, why did she do that?
But she's not gonna say that. And then obviously Samantha
would be like, ah, then she'd all the time. You
know what I'm trying to say. Everyone has very distinct
points of view. But because Miranda and Carrie are just
kind of similar enough and different enough that their conversations
really are they resonate. They resonate, and there they move
(20:57):
things forward for each character in a really interesting way.
I really love them. So here we are getting they're
getting the nails done and shah, not Charlotte. Miranda tells
her I haven't had sex in three months, and she's concerned,
and then Carrie's saying, Carrie has this look on her
face like what I know, it's really like an emergency.
(21:17):
It's so crazy. But then Carrie is saying, and this
is actually a really good point that it's different not
having someone to have sex with not than being with
someone and not having sex yich I do understand, because
when you're in the early part of a relationship, you're
looking for signs and you're trying to figure things out
also partly because she keeps trying to talk to Big
when she's had a few drinks and whatnot in the
(21:38):
past episodes, and he doesn't really have much to say, right,
he's aloof so she's just busy kind of bobbing and weaving,
trying to like get clues you know about him. Right.
So then when he suddenly wants to not have sex,
he says I'm tired, and he rolls over like in
a way I would think, like that's kind of a
different level of intimacy if you think about it, Yes,
(22:00):
it is. And also he's so churlish about it too,
like he's.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Like I'm tired, he is not, and you know, not
like oh honey, I'm tired tonight.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
That's Friday tomorrow, right, or not like you look great,
because she comes out that little neglige except durable. He
doesn't say, like you watch the game right, and he's like,
what's wrong with you? Exactly? I think the way, the way,
like the style of communication was very like alluvi it.
(22:34):
I personally remember trying to get men to talk to
me back then, you know, like you'd just be like
how do I do it? How do I get them
to talk about their feelings like it was like, took
up a lot of time to try to figure this
out back then, whereas now I think you would decide like,
am I do I like that personal enough that I'm
going to try to have this conversation right and exactfully
(22:56):
that person would have enough development personal developed men that
they could have that conversation, and if they couldn't, you
might be like, okay, I'm out, yes, right exactly. Yes,
we were just like, oh we got to try a
different way, exactly. And you know, now women they want
these guys to go to therapy. Yeah, oh listen for it.
(23:18):
That would have been shock you could you couldn't, You
would never even bring it up. It's so true. That's
a really excellent point because now I do think it's
like they're different groups of men. They're the men who
are willing to work on themselves and they're the men
who aren't. And you know, you just have to know
who you're dealing with and whether you're okay with that, right,
Whereas back then we didn't really have choices. No, the
(23:40):
just were men who weren't. No, you had to figure
out where could you live with it? Yes, exactly exactly.
Oh my gosh, it's crazy to think about it. Okay,
I'm gonna look at this again because I got to
stay on my topics. I mean, listen, I've got I've
already asked you half those questions. Oh, this is such
a great storyline. Samantha's at yoga with that hot yoga instructor,
(24:02):
said Artha. Oh my gosh, I did not remember this
at all.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I mean that guy's great, yes, and he's celibates super
interesting because it's like very sexy. And of course, Samantha,
I'm going to get you the actor's name so that
we could not just call him that guy. His name
is Anthony Desando. Oh, I know, I looked him up
and he did do other things, but I mean, maybe
we need to track him down. It's always interesting to
(24:28):
find these actors, you know, and talk to them.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
It is. Well, I saw that you had Andre yeah
and yeah, so much fun. Yes, and he's lovely he is,
and he had nice things to say about you too,
which was so nice. Yes, he was. He was a
very nice guy. He's so sweetie he is, and he is.
In fact, when I wanted.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
To know him on that show, I was like you
know what, I should look him up. He felt so
much younger.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Oh my god. At the time, Oh yeah yeah, But
now I'm like, he's really just like ten years younger totally.
He's a sweetheart. He's a sweetheart. And I do also,
I mean, he was so young and beautiful, good God,
and he's still very beautiful. And this guy reminded me
also of like really good casting, you know, really good
casting of that yoga teacher and what I love because
(25:15):
I remember all the hot yoga you know, power yoga
classes all had hot men teachers in LA at least,
and I'm sure in New York too, though I was
too busy working to find out. But Samantha's there and
she's doing her yoga and he's touching on. Those yoga
classes were so filled with sexual energy, like really truly
and was this their actual storyline? Not that I know of.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I never have taken yoga what i've I have, How
was that possible? Because I can't touch my toes so
and everyone's always like, oh, you could get in, you know,
if you keep working at it, you can. It's like, no,
you don't understand. It's like I am just not built
that way. Okay, I can do pilates. Okay, well that's
(26:01):
then you're fine. Okay, then you're fine. So I've actually
taken maybe two yoga classes in my life, okay, but
that was such a New York thing.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
It was. It was so good in LA. It could
have been in LA at that time too, But I
never met one who was celebated. Those yoga teachers were
doing well. They were doing well with the ladies, let
me tell you, yes, But that guy, oh his eyes,
he was so great, and it was so interesting to
see Samantha trying all of her Samantha ways and not
(26:34):
being able to succeed. And then they go out to
that lunch where he tells her that he's celibate and
to think about all the sexual energy that he's saved up,
like it was fascinating exactly. But then she didn't know
what to do, no, And and I think that, you know,
that's I mean, there is that what what is that?
(26:57):
There's there is.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
That technique that supposed to be and yes, supposedly sting
was all in favor of Yeah, you know, I remember
that kind of I remember this, Yes, you know you
talked about hours and hours and hours and you're just
like whoa.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And then and you guys even did that episode. Oh
my god, that was a great episode. Yes, oh lord,
that was a stressful episode. You guys were talking about
the episode where there's this this this older couple and
they're doing tetric sex and then there's handloation. I'm not
going to go into it, but handloa should get squirted
(27:34):
at me or Maritt I don't remember. Oh, it was
so mortifying to watch. And Karen just like he loved that,
he like found that couple. Yeah, I guess they were
a real They were. They were they were. I remember this.
And also in this particular episode is when we watched
(27:54):
through the windows, and I remember those people had to
be hired willing to actually have sex, and we were
not there at the time, and they were, I believe,
poorn actors, And I'm really sorry if they weren't, but
I'm pretty sure that they were, because they basically said
to them, you guys are really going to have to
have sex. They didn't want to have to pretend or whatever.
(28:15):
They wanted them to actually have sex, but we were
not there. We didn't have to actually watch. We had
to pretend that we were watching and then we had
to all turn our heads at the same time.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Right, because that moment when everybody turns their heads at
the same time, it's such a classic sex and the
City moment. And that photograph is everywhere I know, I
know of like, I know, it's cute, so it's cute.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
It is. I like it. I mean, we look really
young and cute and I don't know why my hair
is parted in the middle, but other than that, it's good.
And I do remember us just being kind of like, what, like,
people are actually gonna have sex? What? But then we
weren't there and they made it private for them and
all of that, and they had they knew when they
were hired that that was what they were.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Going to do, right, And they also seemed to be
really far away, right, which worked?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yea, that worked. That worked.
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Speaker 1 (29:43):
Oh, this is when I get together with this dude. Okay,
so I get together with this guy is exactly Oh
my gosh, I didn't really remember much of this. Very interesting.
So I get together with them. I take Carrie out
to meet him. Turns out they are already know each
other and have hooked up in the past, so they
don't use those words, but that's what.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yes, And she says that he's a sex maniac and
that's one of the reasons why she's not with him.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Right, And I'm like, what, because we haven't even had sex,
and I think he's so polite, But then I'm intrigued,
it seems, and I want to figure out what this is.
So I kind of attack him somewhat in the cab
and I say thanks for respecting my boundaries, you know,
which is such a Charlotte type of line, and then
he says sure. But he also the actor plays it
(30:31):
really well because he's very even keeled, so you don't
know what's coming but like when you look back, he's
very even keelled, like he's not bothered by anything, do
you know what I mean. Then we get we get
to the bedroom and you see me just working very
very hard below frame, right, and he says it's like
a taffy pole, which is so embarrassing. And I remember
being super stressed about how we were going to film
(30:53):
it and trying. And this is one thing I wanted
to know your thoughts on. One of the things I
remember being concerned about the first season was that the
any sex scenes be something that was from the female perspective.
You know that we were making the show for women
to watch, not just for the male gaze, right, And
we didn't want to make the women uncomfortable. And I
(31:16):
was really worried in that scene that the women were
going to be uncomfortable. I look at it now, I
think it's really funny and very relatable. Yes, but at
the time this was just not something that you saw, no,
especially not working and whatever. I mean, it was so
many things that you didn't normally see.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I yes, but don't you feel like you've done so
much more since then? I mean even and just like that, I.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Don't know, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know
what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, you're right, You're right, Candice, Yes,
you're right. But you know what I think. And I
was thinking about this earlier because I do think at
the time, because we were brand new the show, and
your column was not. It's not like there were columns
like years all across the country. They weren't Durnham saying
(32:05):
like it was new. There was a newness to women
talking honestly about sex and what they wanted and what
they weren't good at, or what they were worried about
or all of those things. But I don't think for myself,
I can say I was not that evolved as a person,
you know, much less as an actor, like I had insecurities.
(32:27):
I had a lot of anxiety about my body. I
was really scared to show my body all the time.
Now that's not necessarily something where I felt like, yes,
I'm right, I felt like, no, I want to be
more evolved, but then my insecurities would get in the
way and I'd be really nervous. It was always we
were always included in the decisions about what the storyline was,
(32:50):
how we were going to film it, what we were
going to wear. There was paperwork about it. You know.
It was very involved and I always felt very respected,
like from the show, from HBO, from everyone, you know,
Like it wasn't I mean, there were a few moments
maybe where things were not perfect, and then you could
go to someone and say, hey, can you move you know,
(33:11):
the camera crew away, and they would do it. You
know what I'm saying. We had power is really what
I mean, right, But we were coming from a place
in the industry where we didn't have power as women,
as actresses, so it was new, you know, and it
was new to be showing these things. Like I had
never seen an actress that I liked, like Sandra Bullock
(33:31):
or I don't know whoever was of the time, Julia Roberts.
I had never seen them trying to give a hand
job off camera and not succeeding. Like do you know
what I mean right, Like, this is not something that
was going on, so it's scary to do it, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Well, I think I think the thing that was interesting
about it and very real is that, you know, sex
is messy.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
It's true, doesn't always.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
You know, it doesn't always go It isn't something out
of like a romance novel.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
No, that's true.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
You know, these are human beings and in some ways,
like that's sort of the more interesting part.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I think you're one hundred percent right. I just didn't
know it at the time, do you know what I mean? Like,
I didn't know it at the time. I felt like,
we're doing the scary thing. We don't know how people
are going to react. We don't know if they're going
to think less of us for doing it. Like I
just remember my brain just be like, ah, you know,
which has to do a lot. I mean, I'm sure
that it has to do a lot with how I
was raised and shame about sex in general, you know
(34:35):
what I'm saying. But we're playing these characters who are,
you know, on the forefront of trying to change those things,
which I totally agreed with, right, and I wanted to
change those things, but I didn't mean it was always
easy to do, yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Well, then the guy turned out to be on prozac, right,
which which.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Was perfect sense. It is such a good storyline, Yes that,
I mean that would have been really new then.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Too, Yeah, because you know, prozac was a new thing. Yeah,
and you know, not everybody was taking.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
It yeah, I know. No, it was great and who
knew anything about it exactly, know all of the side
effects exactly, and it's perfect and the fact that he
was so even killed and and I'm like, well, you know,
mind you go off it and he's like, no, why
would I do that. He's like, I'm so happy, I
have no stress exactly. And then you see Charlotte go like, oh,
(35:32):
this is a big deal. This is a deal breaker
for me, which is really interesting. I like it so
much and I have not remember that storyline at all.
This is one where I'm like, what's going to happen.
I have all these moments we watch it where I'm like,
what's going to happen In the threesome episode, I have
a dream about the threesome and I thought I was
going to kiss them. I was like, I don't even
remember kissing those people. I know, but I didn't. I
(35:54):
didn't Anyway, It's all very interesting. Okay, let's catch up
one carry. She goes over when Big is watching the fight,
and that made me sad. That scene just really brought
me back to that that time of like, you know,
the men are doing their things and you're trying all
your things and it's not working, And I really felt
bad for Carrie.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yes, and I feel like we've all been there, yeah
and yeah, I mean it's that that just feels, you know,
very real. But also as a woman back then, that
would have been one of the most perplexing and disturbing
(36:39):
moments because we felt like men should always want to
have sex. Yeah, and then if they don't, then you
start thinking, what is wrongng, what's wrong?
Speaker 1 (36:51):
What's wrong with me?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
It's got to be something that's wrong with you, right,
it's not something that's wrong with them. So the interesting
thing I think this episode, in this episode, is that
there's actually something wrong.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
With the men. Yeah, not with the women.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
The women are actually fine, like Charlotte's fine, but the
guy's taking prozac. I don't remember. Like why was mister
big nutt having sex? He was like just I don't know.
We never found out.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
I don't know a lot about mister big this whole
first season. We really don't. We really don't. I mean,
and this is so me when I'm watching it. I
think he's trying to take the relationship to the next level,
and his next level is that it's not all about sex.
But that could just be you know, they'd be nice.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
But but I mean that is supposedly like one of
the signs when you know a relationship is getting more
serious when you don't have to have sex with the
guy every night.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Right, which makes sense. You can just be you can
just be. Yes. So he's trying his own version and
this is me being generous towards him, right, He's trying
his own version of just being himself in front of
Carrie and what car comes to in the episode in
her adorable apartment painting phase which I also didn't remember,
and I get crew or the eggs shell. Oh my god,
(38:15):
it's so nineties. It's just killing me.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Well, actually, I think when he comes into that into
the apartment at the end, I was like, wow, like,
mister big is really he is really cool in this scene.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Like for some I was like it was different. His
acting is really good. Yes here, No, it was the
first time I liked him. Honestly, I think it was
the first time I liked him. Yes, I mean it
was kind of like Rye and nice. He was a
little nicer. Yes, And he says like I like it,
and she's like it's a mess, and he's like, no,
I like it here and you're like, thank God, yes exactly.
(38:50):
It's like he finally likes something right, and which is
really nice because also you realize she has not invited
him over that whole time.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yes, interesting, and you know, he's like, finally I get
to come over and he's very he's very cool. I
I yes, I agree with you. That's like one of
the first times that we we really like him.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
And part of the reason we like him is because
she's kind of shut down because she's been spinning out
about them not having sex and him kind of like
man handling her off of him when she's trying to
kiss him, which is just like painful to watch, right,
and so and she thinks it's because of the you
know thing that happened in the bed the beginning that
we won't mention because I'm you know, Charlotte. But it's not.
It's because you know, he thinks that's funny. Oh we
(39:37):
left out that he puts that whoope cushion under her ooh, yes,
but I think that that.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Kind of like when I first saw that scene, because
I'd forgotten about that whoope cushion. I I was like, wait,
did she fart again?
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Because somehow.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
You know, he was.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Sneaky quickly.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah, and but you see like she's sitting kind of
generally the first time.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
And then so I wondered if that whoop becushion was
there the whole time.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
No, he gets it out and does it. He asks
her to get him sauced, and she says, sure, get
o get it. She looks at him like you usually
asked me to do stuff like that, and she goes
to get it. He gets her up out of that
chair to put that whoop becushion. It's a plan. Okay,
he's got a plan. Oh yeah, yea. I I would
have been mad. I see, I thought it was kind
(40:33):
of I thought it broke the ice. Well, I think
that's what you were saying. You probably would have done
if you had been in Carry's situation, was make a joke,
which I think is a good that's a good call, right,
Obviously I'm not a Carrie in that way or whatever. Anyway,
let's get back to them. So I love that scene also,
But I also love the scene where Miranda comes over
to help paint and basically has the conversation with her
(40:55):
about how she isn't up and she should just be
herself with him. Yes, and that was so it was.
It's very touching and yeah, and it's a good follow
through of like how their relationship, the Miranda Carey relationship goes,
because that is incredible advice. This is why she needs
she is enough. You know, she should show him her
messy self, you know, and she really has when she's
(41:17):
had the drinks and gone over there and kind of
freaked out, as she calls it. She really has shown
him some of it. But she should just own it,
is what Miranda's saying. Yes, and it's interesting because you know,
that's the kind of advice that we give to women
all the time. Now.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Good point is, you know we always say you should
be yourself and you are enough. Yeah, And it's it's
interesting because that was, you know, twenty five years ago,
but now that's advice that we give women all the time,
which is great yourself.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yes, I don't think anyone ever said that to me
back then. No, no, And I don't think anyone ever
said you are enough. I don't even think they said that. No,
they were just like her exactly. Poor Samantha is Interestingly,
(42:16):
do you remember that scene of her alone or she's
going to masturbate because she's been frustrated by this yoga teacher,
but then she doesn't. It was also really kind of interesting.
I'm trying to know, I kind of don't. That must
have been a very short scene. It was, It was,
and it was more. It was more interesting because I
don't remember any other time that Samantha couldn't somehow pleasure
(42:38):
herself or find some way or some person or whatever.
It's interesting Samantha. It's interesting in the beginning, you know,
kind of like this way that way. You know, she's
there and she's powerful, you know, which I think is
one of the really really great parts of Samantha is
the power, the kind of self possession that she has
and had and whatnot. We'll always have. But like she's
(43:01):
kind of interestingly like, do you remember early on when
we go out and she gets drunk and I take
her home to my apartment, she has sex with my doorman. Yes,
that is Oh, no, that sell us. No.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
I was just going to say, that is so the
kind of thing that would happen in New York right
at a certain sure ago. Yeah, I feel like, you know,
I feel like that's a lot of.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Ways A true story, A true story from yourself? Is
that why you're not answering right now? Well, no, I
wouldn't do that, okay, but I feel like I know
people who would do that, got it. I mean, look,
he was a get it, very very samary. But the
funny thing was that she was drunk and Charlotte takes
her home to take care of her. That was the
(43:54):
part that threw me off. The doorman part made total sense,
But like that I would have to care take Samantha
and bring home to my couch, Like how crazy? You
know what I mean, She's so you know, in charge
of everything. But I mean I like that that we
see these these different sides of her, you know in
the beginning.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yes, well, I actually I like the end of that
episode when she's in the yoga class and she says,
did I got my guy?
Speaker 1 (44:19):
So hysterical? I'm just like, what I know? Well that
the first guy she asks is Travis. Who's our prop guy? Oh? Yes,
that was Travis. I was like, what it's Travis. Travis
works now on the Gilded Age with Cynthia. He's like
a fifth generation prop master. Wow. Yeah yeah, And he
and his sister were our props department and man, let
(44:42):
me tell you that guy like kept us together for
the entire show because think about the props in the show,
props out the wazoo. There were props everywhere, eating drinking
bags of the you know, Sir Jessica loves props, right,
Travis was always there, Like Travis would hide if we
had to pick something up or put something down but
(45:02):
we couldn't get a piece of furniture in because of
the camera. Travis's head would just be down here, just ready,
and you just put it in Travis's hand and pretend
like you know, and he'd whisk it away. I mean,
like so many he was so integraled everything. That was
Travis the first person she asked, Oh, that's so funny.
That funny. I don't know. He's actually a very good actor.
I know, he was great. He's the one who says
(45:23):
no and then the one who says yes. I think
that was an actor. But yeah, that was pretty funny
and a good good ending. That was a good good
ending for Samantha for sure. For sure, for sure. And
then I think we end for the whole episode on
the big carry, you know, kind of coming together in
a new way in the apartment which is so adorable.
And I wanted to ask you an apartment question because
I have a lot of questions about Carrie's apartment. Do
(45:45):
you remember in the pilot she lives over a coffee
shop with a neon sigence? Yes? Is that accurate to you? Well?
I lived on the Upper east Side, right, which she
does in the beginning, and which she does in the beginning.
But no, the coffee shop. That was very I think
that was very Darren. Okay, he wanted you know that.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
And then I think, don't they meet in a coffee shop?
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Do they? We us the girls, we do, but we
don't have the coffee shop set yet. We were meeting
in this really crazy, uh kind of it restaurant no
offense in Long Island City.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
That didn't last long because it was right.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Yeah, So eventually we build the coffee shop set, which
then became the central you know, foursome scene. Right, But Carrie,
the thing was confusing. Did you write in a coffee shop?
Like what is the coffee shop? Okay? I I feel
like Darren felt that that was very New York got it? Okay?
Speaker 2 (46:45):
And yes, but okay, now I lived in I actually
lived in a Dorman building when I was writing Amazed
Sex in the City, got it okay, based on you. Okay,
so she's on this I think she says soy six yes,
which is strange.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
But then like, when did we move to the village?
I don't know, I don't know. I don't know either.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Well, let's just talk about Carrie's apartment because in that episode,
this episode eleven, Yeah, it's like, wait a minute, her
apartment looks freaking.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Huge because I always thought that.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Her apartment was kind of the bedroom and the closet.
But in that in that episode, she's got this big kitchen.
She's painting those cabinets.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Right now, those cabinets were like and there's a living room, well,
so it was one it was one room. It was
like a it was like a circle, right, you know
what I'm saying, Like like you'd come in the door here,
there were books here, and the kitchen was here. It's
the kitchenette I think would be the proper term. And
the cabinets were set back a little bit, right, so
there is like a little like when she's in that
(47:58):
little area painting that one cabinet, that's realistic to the
apartment set that we've had forever, right, and then you
would come back out, like in the pilot, which I
wonder where we filmed that, we have Chinese food. Do
you remember all the girls are at her house and
(48:18):
we have Chinese food. Maybe we did have this. I
don't know if we have this have built, but you so.
Then you would come out and she had that kind
of ugly chaise lounge that was big and square, like
rectangle square, with kind of like turquoiseish fabric on it,
and that was kind of floating in the middle. Then
there was a coffee table. Then the bed's right there,
so there's no wall or anything. The beds.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
It's not that big, but somehow in that episode it
felt like there was some kind of separation and I
just was thinking, like.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
How did it grow bigger?
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yeah, then I remember, And of course that made me
jealous because that's New York City.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
It's funny. Nobody never has a big enough apartment. Well,
it's true, and in the beginning we definitely didn't because
when we're in Charlotte's it's like that's when I had
two flats, two white walls. Yes, we would just move
whichever way had to be moved, which is really entertaining.
But I do think with Carrie's I think what happened
was they got a crane to swoop down, so you're
(49:19):
seeing it slightly different way than you have previously because
things straight on. They like to shoot her straight on
through the window when she's typing, right, So this was
the first time I think there had been kind of
like a cool crane shot. But in the pilot or
maybe the first episode, probably the pilot, there was also
(49:41):
a this is when the neon signs outside the window. Yes,
you know, she looks like she has literally one room
that's as big as the area that you and I
are talking, and there's like an empty Champagne model. There
are clothes everywhere, like she's like eighteen years old, you
know what I mean. Like it is a mess, a
mess to the point where was like, I do not
think that is how Candice was living when she was
(50:03):
writing that column. Do I mean like it was a lot?
Speaker 2 (50:07):
I was sleeping on a fold out couch when I
was writing that column.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
Oh what? Okay, yes, wow, maybe that's what Darren was
basing it on. And it probably was pretty messy too, okay, okay, okay, yes,
that's interesting and and I had, and I lived.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
In this apartment with that a friend and I had.
It was really like our office slash, but I lived there,
so I slept on a fold out couch.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
And and then there was a little kitchen and I
put my desk in the window in the kitchen and
so that kind of looked out on an air shaft,
and so that was you know, so I was always
like looking out it was.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
It was a partial air shaft. Got it, so Darren
was I made it a little bit and there was like,
oh god, but so he kind of it's like he
took that and made it a little more cinematic, yes,
in the beginning, and then then it maybe grew once
we built the set, yes, I would say so. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
And then the.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Closet for Carris was just like a row that went
to the bathroom. It was just the hallway that went
to the bathroom. So they just had hanging and shelves there.
So it wasn't there weren't really that many walls, you
know what I'm saying. It was kind of a glorified studio, right, yes,
which is what it yeah, was supposed to be, right yeah,
all right, thank you for being with us. Candice, it's fun, right,
(51:35):
It's so much fun, and you're really in at this.
Thank you,
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte. Here we are. We are going to
recap episode one one one first season eleventh episode is
called The Drought and it aired in August of nineteen
ninety eight. And with us we have Candace Bush, now,
(00:24):
the creator of the column Sex and the City and
the book Sex and the City and of all of
our characters way way way back. So she's going to
go through this episode with me, which is super exciting.
This episode was directed by Matthew Harrison. I'm sorry, I
have no memory of you. I really apologize. And it
was written by Michael Green and Michael Patrick King. Michael
Patrick King, of course we have a memory of Michael Green.
(00:45):
I'm sorry. I also don't remember you. You probably were
in LA But thank you for writing this episode. It's
an enjoyable one. So this episode, and thank god Candace
is here to help me with it. This episode contains
this really funny thing that if you ever mentioned Sarah
Jessica Parker she is still mortified over, which is the
(01:06):
fart I remember at the time the stress about it,
like how are we going to do it? Because they
had to put it in a post, right, and she
was like, don't make it too big. She was very
stress it's really loud.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I mean because I watched it a couple of times,
and you know, I even remember when I first watched
the episode for the first time and thinking, you know,
if I farted with a guy, would I be that
upset about it? A lot of women would be, you know,
(01:45):
I think it's mortifying for a lot of women.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
But I just felt like for me, it wouldn't be
that big a deal.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
That wouldn't be that big a big a deal, and
it would just be like, oh, it was a whatever, right,
and it would just would just move on. But I
went back and I watched it a couple of times,
and you know, they made that fart really really loud.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I mean, I think they thought it had to be
to be funny.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yes, there was also another thing where it was, oh god,
it's like when Steve.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
With Miranda. Yes, yeah, that was and super mortifying, and
Darren Darren was like Candice, there was a big discussion
about how big to make that mortiving Yep, No, I know,
I mean there were times when for the comedy they
went a little far. Maybe yes, maybe maybe, you know,
(02:48):
what are you gonna do? I mean, I also thought
it was funny because Sarah Jessica was personally so mortified,
Like she was personally so stressed and mortified. And again,
if I think back to the time, we were doing
things in the show that weren't being done on television
and movies, No, you never I've never seen that. No, no, right, So,
(03:12):
no wonder we were mortified as actresses, you know what
I'm saying. We were like, we're doing stuff that no
one else is doing, Like, are we gonna be shunned?
Like are we gonna be like hated by the industry?
Like what's gonna happen? Like is it so embarrassing as
an actor? You know, like we were dealing with all
of these things at once. And of course it's so
adorable and endearing and her reaction is so cute. But
(03:35):
I think the bigger issue, which is what the episode
is titled, is the drought. Yeah, they don't have sex,
and then they don't have sex for like two or
three more times that they're together, which really sends her spinning,
and that I do understand. And then the greater conversation
that it leads to, which I think is so great
and relatable. Is is she actually being her real self
(03:57):
with him or is she just trying to figure out
what he wants and try to be like that as
much as she can, like package herself, you know, in
a way that is acceptable to him. Yes. And can
she actually let go of that? Yes?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
And of course what Samantha says to her doesn't help.
When Samantha says, you know, as a woman, you don't fart.
Men don't want to see that. They want you to
be a woman, which is, you know, it's a longer
speech that she says, but that's pretty.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Interesting. It's really interesting. And do you think that that
is true of like the Samantha as you envisioned her,
that she would say that, because you said she was
someone who knew everything like.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
That felt even for Samantha, that felt a little out
of character her saying that a little traditional kind and
a little traditional, because it seemed like Samantha would say
something like.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Oh, oh, darling, you know, let me deal with it.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
He should get used to that is, if he does
something naughty, there's going to be more farts to come
or whatever.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Sure, I agree it was. There are things that she
says early on that you are kind of like what
But that was the finding of the character, right, so
like we kind of you know, went like this a
bit and then like solidified who we were. But that
that was one where I also was like, well, that's
really interesting that she says that, you know, yes, like
(05:30):
that's something that I would say, Charlotte would say yes.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
It seems like something that Charlotte would have said yeah
for sure, for sure. But they don't even seem to
want to tell me about it. I think, isn't that true? Yes,
Carry doesn't want to tell you, Yes, exactly, sad.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
He's so sad that I'm so prim Kerry can't even
tell me this thing that she's like now spinning out about,
you know. But luckily Charlotte grew from there. But let's
talk about the other ones. I have to get all
my different and this would I look back one of
the things that I am. Oh, I want to ask
you about breaking the fourth wall.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Oh, yes, that's so interesting because it's still in that episode.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I know it, and it seemed like.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I mean, I remember when Darren first showed me the
pilot and we were in Nevis and I was doing
a story on this four seasons Hotel, and he showed
it to me. Yes, and he showed it to me
and he was like really scared. And there were two versions,
and there was one version when I think Carrie's head
(06:37):
was in a bubble.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And it moved across the screen. Yeah, he had some
crazy idea.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
And it was like, Okay, that was kind of weird.
So he didn't go with that one gut. But then
but yes, that breaking the fourth wall and talking to
the camera, it's still in that episode, and I'd forgot
I thought that they'd dropped that.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I know. I mean there were episodes where it wasn't
and then it comes back, and then it came back.
It's really interesting. And Carrie talks to the camera too.
Yeah yeah, no, yeah, she had to, and she didn't
love it. She didn't love it, and there was a
kind of an ongoing discussion about it. But I think
that the idea of having the people on the street right.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yes, because that made it feel like they really were interviewed, right, And.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
So I think that there was a lot of stress
about letting that go because that was kind of one
of the original ideas that would make it different and
like relatable to New York City and interesting, and sometimes
they had really extreme ideas, you know, they'd have like
the more extreme storyline in their mind or whatever. But
then also we didn't get to know them, so that
(07:45):
was a kind of an interesting you know, what would
you call it, like a consistent you know that like, oh, yes,
they're just going to tell us this, but then we
don't get to know them. But I think for her,
Sir Jessica, she's talked to me about and other people
that it was hard because you know, we've got the
voice over, right, but then like when especially if she's
(08:07):
by herself and she turns into O.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
To the camera, who is she talking to, right, has
exactly he's in her apartment.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
It's really interesting because we're already in her head, which
was so powerful exactly for our writer, you know, that
was integral too. I think everything that we learn about
and know about her inside thinking and what she's you know, examining,
and how she's examining other people's relationships and what she
thinks about them, that was really super useful. But yeah,
(08:37):
I every time I see an episode of the first season,
I'm thinking that it's gone, and then I'll ten it's back. Exactly.
So did you ever say anything to Darren about you know,
how you felt about it or wanting it or not
wanting it or you know, I.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Didn't because I you know, I felt like he's.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
A you know, TV guys.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I mean I think that, I mean, what like one
of the things that I've learned about TVs just you know,
in the you know, because we did Lipstick Jungle and
the Carry Diaries. Right, if something doesn't work, like everybody knows.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
It's you know, it's very they're very rarely is like,
oh this doesn't work, and only a couple of people
know it now, right everybody.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
So I think that's true. I think that's true. I
think the thing for us that was interesting was that
HBO really had a lot of trust in Darren. You know,
they didn't say a lot and that was really different
from the networks that we had come from. Yes, and
that was great, and it's very different than the way
it is today, of course. So and I mean we
(09:48):
were just had a we lucked out in terms of
who was in charge of HBO at the time, and
that we were there at the time that we were there,
you know, at the beginning it was awesome, and I
think that a allowed us the freedom to find the
things that we liked and the things that worked and
the things that didn't, you know, because they weren't really
directing us one way or the other. You know, they
(10:09):
were just letting us figure it out, right, and they
weren't giving you the ow, she's not likable in this scene, right,
which thank god, yeah, totally, because that would have pretty
much ruined everything exactly exactly. Yeah. No, that's a good
point too. I mean, you don't think about that so
much in terms of I also realized what I look back,
(10:32):
I was not objective at all at the time. I
was just in it, you know, I was just in
it and trying to pull it off, you know what
I mean, because it was so much a different world
than anything that I knew, you know, this kind of
part of New York. I had lived in New York
as a poor waitress, actress, waitress slash actress, very different,
very different than these women, right, So I didn't really
(10:53):
know that much and I didn't know about fashion. I
didn't know about hardly any of it. So I was
just learning as I went, trying to seem like I
knew what I was doing. That's really my main focus, right,
And now I look back on it and I think
about the storylines in such a different and interesting way.
But also I have so much respect for how they
were pulled together and drawn and it was very much
(11:14):
of the time, yes, and very different, Yes, very very different.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
It really feels like, you know, I mean, it reflects
the way people.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Really thought about sex and men and women. And that's.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
I mean, that's actually a sign of you know, a
great piece of work is that it does reflect the
times that are in. Absolutely it's in you know, Dickens
reflects the time that that was.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
In, of course, of course, and that's a good that's
good point because sometimes people want now to judge then, right,
but it's not really fair, no, because it was very
very different. I know that a lot of it seems
accessible and similar, but like the surrounding social scene, you know,
(12:06):
the society's expectations and what we were coming from was
very very different. Yes, And sometimes I think it's hard
for everyone on social media to remember that.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I know, what's sir. Joska Harker always says, what, don't
read the comments.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
No, she's right, of course, she's right, But I mean,
like people do whole tiktoks about this stuff. You know
what I'm saying, Oh, I know, yeah, and super interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
You know, and sometimes I read it and I'm just like.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
You don't have it. It's true, it's true, but I
mean it is like it's also on the same at
the same time, it's fantastic that people are so in
case you're going to say, right in it and fact
interesting interests and to put the tiktoks out. Yes, even
though they might not understand why Kerry keeps trying with
mister Big back then or whatever, I get it because
(12:59):
it it is interesting and they're still like alive. The
characters are still alive for these people, which is amazing, amazing. Okay,
this is a fun, fun thing. Miranda's getting her nails done,
(13:22):
which I think is like so cute with Gary when
she tells her that she has not had sex in
three months and that this is terrible, I'm like, wow,
three months is a long time. I mean, oh, that's interesting. Well,
tell us, can I think back then it would have
(13:44):
been a long time. Really, I don't think for myself
it would have been. But I'm not them, right them,
I see, I think that. Yeah, I think that back
then that would have been a long time. Now.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
You know, there are women who, you know, they say like,
I haven't had sex for four years, right, and they're
thirty two years old, which to me is like, you
know what, back then, you would have had to work
really really really hard not to have sex for four years,
(14:18):
which is super I meanter still would have been kind
of impossible. But people had a lot more sex back
then than they do now. I mean now there actually
is a sex drought. Wow, this is for real.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Whoa.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
But back then, you know, people had sex a lot.
So I do think in nineteen ninety eight three months
that would have been a long time, okay, because it
was so easy to have sex back then. Why because
there was a lot of interaction and you saw people
(14:57):
out in person in the wild.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
And it also feels like.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
It feels like the population was younger than and it
actually was. There were more young people, there were more
people in their thirties got it, and there also wasn't
as much to do. Now we have the phones and
there's gaming and there's streaming, and everybody is in their
(15:30):
own bubble, you know, bubble of like this is this
is you know, my entertainment. But back then.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
It was other people. Yes, it was other people.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
You went out and did stuff, You.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Did stuff, and people wanted to have sex. Amazing to
think that it was. It was very easy.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
I mean now I have women come up to me
and you know, I mean attractive women in their fifties
and they'll say like, I've been trying to have sex
for the last year and I haven't found anyone to
have sex with me. Wow, which is like, this is
really a different time. It is really a different time,
that's for sure. And my question would be are they
(16:15):
on those apps and whatnot?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Do you think probably got it somewhat?
Speaker 2 (16:22):
But also in New York City, if you go out,
you don't have to be on apps. I mean I
meet people when I'm out. But I think you're good
at this, Candice, Well not really really. I'm on an
app too, Okay, Ryo Riah. I've heard about Riya.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I know you should.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
I wouldn't say you should go on it, but I
do not want to go on I'm scared. No nobody
ever meets anybody in person on Riya. No way, what
this is true? Explain because everybody's so busy. Oh, every
is traveling. Everybody is. They have like big jobs, right,
(17:06):
I'm that one guy And I thought, oh wow, did
how did I get so lucky? Because this guy is
like good looking, and I think he asked me out
again and I was like, no, I'm traveling. What about
this week? And he said, I'm going away for two weeks? Yeah,
so that happens.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
A lot, got it? Got it? I get it, I
get it, I get it. This would be the people
I know as well. Yes, I'm sure the people I
know as well are all right. I just don't know
because I'm not on there. But yeah, it's it's once
you get to a certain level of success, it's hard
to find the time. Yes, it is. Maybe it's our priorities. Also,
you know, maybe we just don't have it as a
(17:45):
priority because we're so busy and doing our business that
is important to us, our job or whatever, Whereas back
when we were younger, we didn't have these things to
distract us.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
So we were like, yeah, let's try it out. Yes, that's
that's very true. And also there was something like today
it feels like people have to work every angle to
make money to serve you know. It's like they you know,
they have to be on social media. They have to
you know, They're just all kinds of things that people
(18:17):
do to make ends meet. And you know, I mean,
I look back on I used to spend weekends just
like hanging out with friends, you know, some house in
the country.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
It's like, I never do that. Now, nobody I know
does it.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Everybody's they're always like trying to catch up on something.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
So sad because it is I think it is a
little sad. I hadn't thought about that. But yeah, let's
think about that some more, because I think you're right. Now,
let's talk about them getting their nails done. Because I also,
I really love all of the Miranda carry scenes. I
really had not really understood the through line of like
(18:56):
them walking together and talking about things them, you know,
going to the drug store to get the pregnancy test
in the last episode of the Baby Shower, and like
they have such great, you know, kind of deep conversations
and Miranda really kind of is the only one who
totally kind of gets her and tells her things. Honestly,
you know, do you feel that? Yes?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
But see I always think that part of that is
because they've known each other in real life since you
mean the actors, yes, since they were actors. I don't
think that is why. I don't think that is why.
I'll tell you why. I don't think that is why.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Because their relationship in life is very different than the
relationship on camera. Oh yeah, I always thought that, you know,
they were really good friends and they'd known each other so,
I mean than they are, and and they were, for sure,
but it's just a very different vibe than what the
Miranda Carrie vibe is, and the Miranda carry vibe was
(19:53):
really present in season one, like from the get go.
It's super fascinating, like whatever, I guess, because they're different,
but not so different as say Samantha and Charlotte. Well,
we're like really really different, and it's kind of hard
for us to find a meeting ground in a conversation,
you know what I'm saying, because she would be very
(20:14):
much one way and I would be very much the
other way. But Carrie and Miranda are not that opposed,
you know, they're just slightly different takes on things. And
maybe Miranda's going to say something to her, like, you know,
you shouldn't have cheated with Big or whatever. So I'm
giving an example. But you know, she might tell her
like it is, where's Charlotte Probably wouldn't you know, she
(20:35):
might just be like, oh God, why did she do that?
But she's not gonna say that. And then obviously Samantha
would be like, ah, then she'd all the time. You
know what I'm trying to say. Everyone has very distinct
points of view. But because Miranda and Carrie are just
kind of similar enough and different enough that their conversations
really are they resonate. They resonate, and there they move
(20:57):
things forward for each character in a really interesting way.
I really love them. So here we are getting they're
getting the nails done and shah, not Charlotte. Miranda tells
her I haven't had sex in three months, and she's concerned,
and then Carrie's saying, Carrie has this look on her
face like what I know, it's really like an emergency.
(21:17):
It's so crazy. But then Carrie is saying, and this
is actually a really good point that it's different not
having someone to have sex with not than being with
someone and not having sex yich I do understand, because
when you're in the early part of a relationship, you're
looking for signs and you're trying to figure things out
also partly because she keeps trying to talk to Big
when she's had a few drinks and whatnot in the
(21:38):
past episodes, and he doesn't really have much to say, right,
he's aloof so she's just busy kind of bobbing and weaving,
trying to like get clues you know about him. Right.
So then when he suddenly wants to not have sex,
he says I'm tired, and he rolls over like in
a way I would think, like that's kind of a
different level of intimacy if you think about it, Yes,
(22:00):
it is. And also he's so churlish about it too,
like he's.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Like I'm tired, he is not, and you know, not
like oh honey, I'm tired tonight.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
That's Friday tomorrow, right, or not like you look great,
because she comes out that little neglige except durable. He
doesn't say, like you watch the game right, and he's like,
what's wrong with you? Exactly? I think the way, the way,
like the style of communication was very like alluvi it.
(22:34):
I personally remember trying to get men to talk to
me back then, you know, like you'd just be like
how do I do it? How do I get them
to talk about their feelings like it was like, took
up a lot of time to try to figure this
out back then, whereas now I think you would decide like,
am I do I like that personal enough that I'm
going to try to have this conversation right and exactfully
(22:56):
that person would have enough development personal developed men that
they could have that conversation, and if they couldn't, you
might be like, okay, I'm out, yes, right exactly. Yes,
we were just like, oh we got to try a
different way, exactly. And you know, now women they want
these guys to go to therapy. Yeah, oh listen for it.
(23:18):
That would have been shock you could you couldn't, You
would never even bring it up. It's so true. That's
a really excellent point because now I do think it's
like they're different groups of men. They're the men who
are willing to work on themselves and they're the men
who aren't. And you know, you just have to know
who you're dealing with and whether you're okay with that, right,
Whereas back then we didn't really have choices. No, the
(23:40):
just were men who weren't. No, you had to figure
out where could you live with it? Yes, exactly exactly.
Oh my gosh, it's crazy to think about it. Okay,
I'm gonna look at this again because I got to
stay on my topics. I mean, listen, I've got I've
already asked you half those questions. Oh, this is such
a great storyline. Samantha's at yoga with that hot yoga instructor,
(24:02):
said Artha. Oh my gosh, I did not remember this
at all.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
I mean that guy's great, yes, and he's celibates super
interesting because it's like very sexy. And of course, Samantha,
I'm going to get you the actor's name so that
we could not just call him that guy. His name
is Anthony Desando. Oh, I know, I looked him up
and he did do other things, but I mean, maybe
we need to track him down. It's always interesting to
(24:28):
find these actors, you know, and talk to them.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
It is. Well, I saw that you had Andre yeah
and yeah, so much fun. Yes, and he's lovely he is,
and he had nice things to say about you too,
which was so nice. Yes, he was. He was a
very nice guy. He's so sweetie he is, and he is.
In fact, when I wanted.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
To know him on that show, I was like you
know what, I should look him up. He felt so
much younger.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Oh my god. At the time, Oh yeah yeah, But
now I'm like, he's really just like ten years younger totally.
He's a sweetheart. He's a sweetheart. And I do also,
I mean, he was so young and beautiful, good God,
and he's still very beautiful. And this guy reminded me
also of like really good casting, you know, really good
casting of that yoga teacher and what I love because
(25:15):
I remember all the hot yoga you know, power yoga
classes all had hot men teachers in LA at least,
and I'm sure in New York too, though I was
too busy working to find out. But Samantha's there and
she's doing her yoga and he's touching on. Those yoga
classes were so filled with sexual energy, like really truly
and was this their actual storyline? Not that I know of.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I never have taken yoga what i've I have, How
was that possible? Because I can't touch my toes so
and everyone's always like, oh, you could get in, you know,
if you keep working at it, you can. It's like, no,
you don't understand. It's like I am just not built
that way. Okay, I can do pilates. Okay, well that's
(26:01):
then you're fine. Okay, then you're fine. So I've actually
taken maybe two yoga classes in my life, okay, but
that was such a New York thing.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
It was. It was so good in LA. It could
have been in LA at that time too, But I
never met one who was celebated. Those yoga teachers were
doing well. They were doing well with the ladies, let
me tell you, yes, But that guy, oh his eyes,
he was so great, and it was so interesting to
see Samantha trying all of her Samantha ways and not
(26:34):
being able to succeed. And then they go out to
that lunch where he tells her that he's celibate and
to think about all the sexual energy that he's saved up,
like it was fascinating exactly. But then she didn't know
what to do, no, And and I think that, you know,
that's I mean, there is that what what is that?
(26:57):
There's there is.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
That technique that supposed to be and yes, supposedly sting
was all in favor of Yeah, you know, I remember
that kind of I remember this, Yes, you know you
talked about hours and hours and hours and you're just
like whoa.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And then and you guys even did that episode. Oh
my god, that was a great episode. Yes, oh lord,
that was a stressful episode. You guys were talking about
the episode where there's this this this older couple and
they're doing tetric sex and then there's handloation. I'm not
going to go into it, but handloa should get squirted
(27:34):
at me or Maritt I don't remember. Oh, it was
so mortifying to watch. And Karen just like he loved that,
he like found that couple. Yeah, I guess they were
a real They were. They were they were. I remember this.
And also in this particular episode is when we watched
(27:54):
through the windows, and I remember those people had to
be hired willing to actually have sex, and we were
not there at the time, and they were, I believe,
poorn actors, And I'm really sorry if they weren't, but
I'm pretty sure that they were, because they basically said
to them, you guys are really going to have to
have sex. They didn't want to have to pretend or whatever.
(28:15):
They wanted them to actually have sex, but we were
not there. We didn't have to actually watch. We had
to pretend that we were watching and then we had
to all turn our heads at the same time.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Right, because that moment when everybody turns their heads at
the same time, it's such a classic sex and the
City moment. And that photograph is everywhere I know, I
know of like, I know, it's cute, so it's cute.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
It is. I like it. I mean, we look really
young and cute and I don't know why my hair
is parted in the middle, but other than that, it's good.
And I do remember us just being kind of like, what, like,
people are actually gonna have sex? What? But then we
weren't there and they made it private for them and
all of that, and they had they knew when they
were hired that that was what they were.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Going to do, right, And they also seemed to be
really far away, right, which worked?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yea, that worked. That worked.
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Speaker 1 (29:43):
Oh, this is when I get together with this dude. Okay,
so I get together with this guy is exactly Oh
my gosh, I didn't really remember much of this. Very interesting.
So I get together with them. I take Carrie out
to meet him. Turns out they are already know each
other and have hooked up in the past, so they
don't use those words, but that's what.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yes, And she says that he's a sex maniac and
that's one of the reasons why she's not with him.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Right, And I'm like, what, because we haven't even had sex,
and I think he's so polite, But then I'm intrigued,
it seems, and I want to figure out what this is.
So I kind of attack him somewhat in the cab
and I say thanks for respecting my boundaries, you know,
which is such a Charlotte type of line, and then
he says sure. But he also the actor plays it
(30:31):
really well because he's very even keeled, so you don't
know what's coming but like when you look back, he's
very even keelled, like he's not bothered by anything, do
you know what I mean. Then we get we get
to the bedroom and you see me just working very
very hard below frame, right, and he says it's like
a taffy pole, which is so embarrassing. And I remember
being super stressed about how we were going to film
(30:53):
it and trying. And this is one thing I wanted
to know your thoughts on. One of the things I
remember being concerned about the first season was that the
any sex scenes be something that was from the female perspective.
You know that we were making the show for women
to watch, not just for the male gaze, right, And
we didn't want to make the women uncomfortable. And I
(31:16):
was really worried in that scene that the women were
going to be uncomfortable. I look at it now, I
think it's really funny and very relatable. Yes, but at
the time this was just not something that you saw, no,
especially not working and whatever. I mean, it was so
many things that you didn't normally see.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I yes, but don't you feel like you've done so
much more since then? I mean even and just like that, I.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Don't know, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know
what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, you're right, You're right, Candice, Yes,
you're right. But you know what I think. And I
was thinking about this earlier because I do think at
the time, because we were brand new the show, and
your column was not. It's not like there were columns
like years all across the country. They weren't Durnham saying
(32:05):
like it was new. There was a newness to women
talking honestly about sex and what they wanted and what
they weren't good at, or what they were worried about
or all of those things. But I don't think for myself,
I can say I was not that evolved as a person,
you know, much less as an actor, like I had insecurities.
(32:27):
I had a lot of anxiety about my body. I
was really scared to show my body all the time.
Now that's not necessarily something where I felt like, yes,
I'm right, I felt like, no, I want to be
more evolved, but then my insecurities would get in the
way and I'd be really nervous. It was always we
were always included in the decisions about what the storyline was,
(32:50):
how we were going to film it, what we were
going to wear. There was paperwork about it. You know.
It was very involved and I always felt very respected,
like from the show, from HBO, from everyone, you know,
Like it wasn't I mean, there were a few moments
maybe where things were not perfect, and then you could
go to someone and say, hey, can you move you know,
(33:11):
the camera crew away, and they would do it. You
know what I'm saying. We had power is really what
I mean, right, But we were coming from a place
in the industry where we didn't have power as women,
as actresses, so it was new, you know, and it
was new to be showing these things. Like I had
never seen an actress that I liked, like Sandra Bullock
(33:31):
or I don't know whoever was of the time, Julia Roberts.
I had never seen them trying to give a hand
job off camera and not succeeding. Like do you know
what I mean right, Like, this is not something that
was going on, so it's scary to do it, you know.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Well, I think I think the thing that was interesting
about it and very real is that, you know, sex
is messy.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
It's true, doesn't always.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
You know, it doesn't always go It isn't something out
of like a romance novel.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
No, that's true.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
You know, these are human beings and in some ways,
like that's sort of the more interesting part.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
I think you're one hundred percent right. I just didn't
know it at the time, do you know what I mean? Like,
I didn't know it at the time. I felt like,
we're doing the scary thing. We don't know how people
are going to react. We don't know if they're going
to think less of us for doing it. Like I
just remember my brain just be like, ah, you know,
which has to do a lot. I mean, I'm sure
that it has to do a lot with how I
was raised and shame about sex in general, you know
(34:35):
what I'm saying. But we're playing these characters who are,
you know, on the forefront of trying to change those things,
which I totally agreed with, right, and I wanted to
change those things, but I didn't mean it was always
easy to do, yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Well, then the guy turned out to be on prozac, right,
which which.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Was perfect sense. It is such a good storyline, Yes that,
I mean that would have been really new then.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Too, Yeah, because you know, prozac was a new thing. Yeah,
and you know, not everybody was taking.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
It yeah, I know. No, it was great and who
knew anything about it exactly, know all of the side
effects exactly, and it's perfect and the fact that he
was so even killed and and I'm like, well, you know,
mind you go off it and he's like, no, why
would I do that. He's like, I'm so happy, I
have no stress exactly. And then you see Charlotte go like, oh,
(35:32):
this is a big deal. This is a deal breaker
for me, which is really interesting. I like it so
much and I have not remember that storyline at all.
This is one where I'm like, what's going to happen.
I have all these moments we watch it where I'm like,
what's going to happen In the threesome episode, I have
a dream about the threesome and I thought I was
going to kiss them. I was like, I don't even
remember kissing those people. I know, but I didn't. I
(35:54):
didn't Anyway, It's all very interesting. Okay, let's catch up
one carry. She goes over when Big is watching the fight,
and that made me sad. That scene just really brought
me back to that that time of like, you know,
the men are doing their things and you're trying all
your things and it's not working, And I really felt
bad for Carrie.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yes, and I feel like we've all been there, yeah
and yeah, I mean it's that that just feels, you know,
very real. But also as a woman back then, that
would have been one of the most perplexing and disturbing
(36:39):
moments because we felt like men should always want to
have sex. Yeah, and then if they don't, then you
start thinking, what is wrongng, what's wrong?
Speaker 1 (36:51):
What's wrong with me?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
It's got to be something that's wrong with you, right,
it's not something that's wrong with them. So the interesting
thing I think this episode, in this episode, is that
there's actually something wrong.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
With the men. Yeah, not with the women.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
The women are actually fine, like Charlotte's fine, but the
guy's taking prozac. I don't remember. Like why was mister
big nutt having sex? He was like just I don't know.
We never found out.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
I don't know a lot about mister big this whole
first season. We really don't. We really don't. I mean,
and this is so me when I'm watching it. I
think he's trying to take the relationship to the next level,
and his next level is that it's not all about sex.
But that could just be you know, they'd be nice.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
But but I mean that is supposedly like one of
the signs when you know a relationship is getting more
serious when you don't have to have sex with the
guy every night.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Right, which makes sense. You can just be you can
just be. Yes. So he's trying his own version and
this is me being generous towards him, right, He's trying
his own version of just being himself in front of
Carrie and what car comes to in the episode in
her adorable apartment painting phase which I also didn't remember,
and I get crew or the eggs shell. Oh my god,
(38:15):
it's so nineties. It's just killing me.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Well, actually, I think when he comes into that into
the apartment at the end, I was like, wow, like,
mister big is really he is really cool in this scene.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Like for some I was like it was different. His
acting is really good. Yes here, No, it was the
first time I liked him. Honestly, I think it was
the first time I liked him. Yes, I mean it
was kind of like Rye and nice. He was a
little nicer. Yes, And he says like I like it,
and she's like it's a mess, and he's like, no,
I like it here and you're like, thank God, yes exactly.
(38:50):
It's like he finally likes something right, and which is
really nice because also you realize she has not invited
him over that whole time.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yes, interesting, and you know, he's like, finally I get
to come over and he's very he's very cool. I
I yes, I agree with you. That's like one of
the first times that we we really like him.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
And part of the reason we like him is because
she's kind of shut down because she's been spinning out
about them not having sex and him kind of like
man handling her off of him when she's trying to
kiss him, which is just like painful to watch, right,
and so and she thinks it's because of the you
know thing that happened in the bed the beginning that
we won't mention because I'm you know, Charlotte. But it's not.
It's because you know, he thinks that's funny. Oh we
(39:37):
left out that he puts that whoope cushion under her ooh, yes,
but I think that that.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Kind of like when I first saw that scene, because
I'd forgotten about that whoope cushion. I I was like, wait,
did she fart again?
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Because somehow.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
You know, he was.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Sneaky quickly.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah, and but you see like she's sitting kind of
generally the first time.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
And then so I wondered if that whoop becushion was
there the whole time.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
No, he gets it out and does it. He asks
her to get him sauced, and she says, sure, get
o get it. She looks at him like you usually
asked me to do stuff like that, and she goes
to get it. He gets her up out of that
chair to put that whoop becushion. It's a plan. Okay,
he's got a plan. Oh yeah, yea. I I would
have been mad. I see, I thought it was kind
(40:33):
of I thought it broke the ice. Well, I think
that's what you were saying. You probably would have done
if you had been in Carry's situation, was make a joke,
which I think is a good that's a good call, right,
Obviously I'm not a Carrie in that way or whatever. Anyway,
let's get back to them. So I love that scene also,
But I also love the scene where Miranda comes over
to help paint and basically has the conversation with her
(40:55):
about how she isn't up and she should just be
herself with him. Yes, and that was so it was.
It's very touching and yeah, and it's a good follow
through of like how their relationship, the Miranda Carey relationship goes,
because that is incredible advice. This is why she needs
she is enough. You know, she should show him her
messy self, you know, and she really has when she's
(41:17):
had the drinks and gone over there and kind of
freaked out, as she calls it. She really has shown
him some of it. But she should just own it,
is what Miranda's saying. Yes, and it's interesting because you know,
that's the kind of advice that we give to women
all the time. Now.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Good point is, you know we always say you should
be yourself and you are enough. Yeah, And it's it's
interesting because that was, you know, twenty five years ago,
but now that's advice that we give women all the time,
which is great yourself.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yes, I don't think anyone ever said that to me
back then. No, no, And I don't think anyone ever
said you are enough. I don't even think they said that. No,
they were just like her exactly. Poor Samantha is Interestingly,
(42:16):
do you remember that scene of her alone or she's
going to masturbate because she's been frustrated by this yoga teacher,
but then she doesn't. It was also really kind of interesting.
I'm trying to know, I kind of don't. That must
have been a very short scene. It was, It was,
and it was more. It was more interesting because I
don't remember any other time that Samantha couldn't somehow pleasure
(42:38):
herself or find some way or some person or whatever.
It's interesting Samantha. It's interesting in the beginning, you know,
kind of like this way that way. You know, she's
there and she's powerful, you know, which I think is
one of the really really great parts of Samantha is
the power, the kind of self possession that she has
and had and whatnot. We'll always have. But like she's
(43:01):
kind of interestingly like, do you remember early on when
we go out and she gets drunk and I take
her home to my apartment, she has sex with my doorman. Yes,
that is Oh, no, that sell us. No.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
I was just going to say, that is so the
kind of thing that would happen in New York right
at a certain sure ago. Yeah, I feel like, you know,
I feel like that's a lot of.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
Ways A true story, A true story from yourself? Is
that why you're not answering right now? Well, no, I
wouldn't do that, okay, but I feel like I know
people who would do that, got it. I mean, look,
he was a get it, very very samary. But the
funny thing was that she was drunk and Charlotte takes
her home to take care of her. That was the
(43:54):
part that threw me off. The doorman part made total sense,
But like that I would have to care take Samantha
and bring home to my couch, Like how crazy? You
know what I mean, She's so you know, in charge
of everything. But I mean I like that that we
see these these different sides of her, you know in
the beginning.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yes, well, I actually I like the end of that
episode when she's in the yoga class and she says,
did I got my guy?
Speaker 1 (44:19):
So hysterical? I'm just like, what I know? Well that
the first guy she asks is Travis. Who's our prop guy? Oh? Yes,
that was Travis. I was like, what it's Travis. Travis
works now on the Gilded Age with Cynthia. He's like
a fifth generation prop master. Wow. Yeah yeah, And he
and his sister were our props department and man, let
(44:42):
me tell you that guy like kept us together for
the entire show because think about the props in the show,
props out the wazoo. There were props everywhere, eating drinking
bags of the you know, Sir Jessica loves props, right,
Travis was always there, Like Travis would hide if we
had to pick something up or put something down but
(45:02):
we couldn't get a piece of furniture in because of
the camera. Travis's head would just be down here, just ready,
and you just put it in Travis's hand and pretend
like you know, and he'd whisk it away. I mean,
like so many he was so integraled everything. That was
Travis the first person she asked, Oh, that's so funny.
That funny. I don't know. He's actually a very good actor.
I know, he was great. He's the one who says
(45:23):
no and then the one who says yes. I think
that was an actor. But yeah, that was pretty funny
and a good good ending. That was a good good
ending for Samantha for sure. For sure, for sure. And
then I think we end for the whole episode on
the big carry, you know, kind of coming together in
a new way in the apartment which is so adorable.
And I wanted to ask you an apartment question because
I have a lot of questions about Carrie's apartment. Do
(45:45):
you remember in the pilot she lives over a coffee
shop with a neon sigence? Yes? Is that accurate to you? Well?
I lived on the Upper east Side, right, which she
does in the beginning, and which she does in the beginning.
But no, the coffee shop. That was very I think
that was very Darren. Okay, he wanted you know that.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
And then I think, don't they meet in a coffee shop?
Speaker 1 (46:10):
Do they? We us the girls, we do, but we
don't have the coffee shop set yet. We were meeting
in this really crazy, uh kind of it restaurant no
offense in Long Island City.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
That didn't last long because it was right.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
Yeah, So eventually we build the coffee shop set, which
then became the central you know, foursome scene. Right, But Carrie,
the thing was confusing. Did you write in a coffee shop?
Like what is the coffee shop? Okay? I I feel
like Darren felt that that was very New York got it? Okay?
Speaker 2 (46:45):
And yes, but okay, now I lived in I actually
lived in a Dorman building when I was writing Amazed
Sex in the City, got it okay, based on you. Okay,
so she's on this I think she says soy six yes,
which is strange.
Speaker 1 (47:02):
But then like, when did we move to the village?
I don't know, I don't know. I don't know either.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Well, let's just talk about Carrie's apartment because in that episode,
this episode eleven, Yeah, it's like, wait a minute, her
apartment looks freaking.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Huge because I always thought that.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Her apartment was kind of the bedroom and the closet.
But in that in that episode, she's got this big kitchen.
She's painting those cabinets.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Right now, those cabinets were like and there's a living room, well,
so it was one it was one room. It was
like a it was like a circle, right, you know
what I'm saying, Like like you'd come in the door here,
there were books here, and the kitchen was here. It's
the kitchenette I think would be the proper term. And
the cabinets were set back a little bit, right, so
there is like a little like when she's in that
(47:58):
little area painting that one cabinet, that's realistic to the
apartment set that we've had forever, right, and then you
would come back out, like in the pilot, which I
wonder where we filmed that, we have Chinese food. Do
you remember all the girls are at her house and
(48:18):
we have Chinese food. Maybe we did have this. I
don't know if we have this have built, but you so.
Then you would come out and she had that kind
of ugly chaise lounge that was big and square, like
rectangle square, with kind of like turquoiseish fabric on it,
and that was kind of floating in the middle. Then
there was a coffee table. Then the bed's right there,
so there's no wall or anything. The beds.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
It's not that big, but somehow in that episode it
felt like there was some kind of separation and I
just was thinking, like.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
How did it grow bigger?
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Yeah, then I remember, And of course that made me
jealous because that's New York City.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
It's funny. Nobody never has a big enough apartment. Well,
it's true, and in the beginning we definitely didn't because
when we're in Charlotte's it's like that's when I had
two flats, two white walls. Yes, we would just move
whichever way had to be moved, which is really entertaining.
But I do think with Carrie's I think what happened
was they got a crane to swoop down, so you're
(49:19):
seeing it slightly different way than you have previously because
things straight on. They like to shoot her straight on
through the window when she's typing, right, So this was
the first time I think there had been kind of
like a cool crane shot. But in the pilot or
maybe the first episode, probably the pilot, there was also
(49:41):
a this is when the neon signs outside the window. Yes,
you know, she looks like she has literally one room
that's as big as the area that you and I
are talking, and there's like an empty Champagne model. There
are clothes everywhere, like she's like eighteen years old, you
know what I mean. Like it is a mess, a
mess to the point where was like, I do not
think that is how Candice was living when she was
(50:03):
writing that column. Do I mean like it was a lot?
Speaker 2 (50:07):
I was sleeping on a fold out couch when I
was writing that column.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
Oh what? Okay, yes, wow, maybe that's what Darren was
basing it on. And it probably was pretty messy too, okay, okay, okay, yes,
that's interesting and and I had, and I lived.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
In this apartment with that a friend and I had.
It was really like our office slash, but I lived there,
so I slept on a fold out couch.
Speaker 1 (50:39):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (50:39):
And and then there was a little kitchen and I
put my desk in the window in the kitchen and
so that kind of looked out on an air shaft,
and so that was you know, so I was always
like looking out it was.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
It was a partial air shaft. Got it, so Darren
was I made it a little bit and there was like,
oh god, but so he kind of it's like he
took that and made it a little more cinematic, yes,
in the beginning, and then then it maybe grew once
we built the set, yes, I would say so. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
And then the.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Closet for Carris was just like a row that went
to the bathroom. It was just the hallway that went
to the bathroom. So they just had hanging and shelves there.
So it wasn't there weren't really that many walls, you
know what I'm saying. It was kind of a glorified studio, right, yes,
which is what it yeah, was supposed to be, right yeah,
all right, thank you for being with us. Candice, it's fun, right,
(51:35):
It's so much fun, and you're really in at this.
Thank you,
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