October 2, 2025 • 28 mins
The laughs continue with the hilarious Rachel Dratch as she has to analyze a tantric sex scene and break down one embarrassingly entertaining detail after another. Plus, Kristin addresses a once-iconic Sex and the City trend that’s no longer cool.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte? Welcome back everybody to Are You a Charlotte?
Part two? Thanks for joining us. Here we go. Now
we're gonna get to my favorite favorite storyline of the
whole thing, probably because I'm sober. I've been sober a
very long time. This carry storyline.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Oh, I thought, actually, oh, you go ahead, but you okay,
I was gonna say this storyline felt like more real
than a not that the other ones are, but this
felt like very relatable, more than the usual I'm with.
Usually it's a little more like salacious or like extreme,
and this was like something most people have been through the.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Story and I loved it so much. And I remember zero,
absolutely zero. And this guy I don't remember this guy,
but he's incredible. That guy is so good. We're gonna
figure out his name. Okay. So this is Carrie's storyline,
you guys, And if you haven't seen this episode, do
you need watch it only for Carrie's storyline, if for
nothing else. So this is the episode wasn't good for you?
(01:04):
And basically, so this is the one thing that I
love as well. You know, Carrie smokes back back in
the day, right and later on too. But you know,
this is funny because now no one smokes. No one
gets to smoke now in film and TV basically, which
is a very interesting thing. My kids think smoking is
like like anyone who has a cigarette. I mean, we
(01:28):
drove by the other day someone who had their arm
out of a car with a cigarette, and my daughter
was like, oh no, like you thought like a fire
was gonna start. Like they have such a fascinating reaction,
and I'm like, yeah, they're terrible. Cigarettes are terrible, because
of course I don't want my kids to smoke, right,
but it's just funny, like it was a rite of
(01:49):
passage in a way for us to have the little
smoking face. Don't tell my mother I said that. If
you're listening, mom, I never had a smoking face. And
really when I smoked, it was when I was in
college and we would come into the city and we
would go to village cigars. Oh yeah, yeah, it was
really fun and I would get like those French cigarettes
that are wrapped in different colorful papers, you know, and
(02:11):
then yeah, exactly right, like the colorful papers. They were cool.
And then we would go and sit on some strangers stoop,
which is all very funny ending up where I did,
you know, filming a show on a stoop in the
village and we would sit and smoke. I would try
to smoke and they would laugh. I was the comic.
I couldn't pull it off, could not pull it off.
(02:32):
So thank god I am not a smoker in Sex
and the City or and just like that, thank god.
But Carrie is So Carrie's walking down the street and
this handsome guy has his back to her. He's standing
leaning on a building and he finishes his cigarette and
flicks it and it hits Carrie and she's like oh,
and she's really like peeved, you know, which is funny
(02:54):
since she is also a smoker. But it burned her,
you know, it hits her arm, and he he's like,
oh my god, oh my god, and you know, didn't
leave a mark. Well also, he's very cute, right, So
this cute smoker guy has you know, thrown a cigarette
at her inadvertently on a village street in the summer.
I mean, it's pretty fantastic, right, these are the days,
(03:18):
these are the days. So she decides that he's cute.
Let's see what is this guy's name, Oh, Patrick Casey, Yes, Patrick.
She says his name a lot too, which is interesting. Yeah, yeah,
she seems fond of his name. This is an important
central question of the show, this particular episode, your performance
(03:41):
in bed, not your Rachel's. This is so you know,
how how Charlotte you know the guy sleeping? Yeah one,
they're theoretically have you said? Then we go to the
coffee shop and I'm like, you know, you know, and
everybody has their different like two cents to say about
you know, like whether right right? And it is an
(04:05):
interesting question. And I wonder now in the days of
you know, Riah and whatnot, where apparently people sex and
or you know, engage in I don't know, some kind
of very sexual flirtation early on, as opposed to the
olden days where it might have taken a while. Right.
I wonder what the young people feel about performance? Do
(04:31):
you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
What do you mean? Like the young people.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Wonder if they worry about it?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Oh ah, I don't talk to many young people. Line,
I get it, but this is your job. It is
my job now is I'm not really let me ask
you this question. Have you ever listened to.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
The call her Daddy podcast. No let me.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Tell you no, No, I mean you heard of it.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yes. So this woman, Alex Cooper, Yes, fascinating individual okay,
an incredible interviewer okay. But one of the things, she's
extremely sex positive. Yes, she's like, in my mind, if
Carrie and Samantha had a baby, it would be Alex okay,
because she has the Carrie like I'm gonna understand it,
(05:25):
I'm going to get to the bottom of it. But
then she has the Samantha sex positive you know, just
like like non judgmental, like let's get in there, let's
talk it through. So one of the things that she did,
and I have not listened to this actual episode, I
feel I should, just from a female perspective, she gives
like very specific instructions on how to give a good
(05:48):
and I mean specific. Do you guys know what I'm
talking about? Yes, they're all not in they know they know.
So it's like it's in depth, okay, like in depth.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Direction tantric sex class you guys watched in your episodes.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
More so even like more so yeah, I know. So,
so that reminded me of the young people and their performance. Right,
So I do think that like the kind of you know,
the normalizing of talking about sex, right, talking about specifics
(06:25):
and you know, like what are you into? What are
you not into? And empowering everybody like don't do things
you're not into. Like she's like that. She's not saying,
you know, let him pressure you or and she's very empowering, right,
which is great. And I mean she's really my main,
my main like viewpoint into the young ladies perspective. Right,
(06:45):
She's she's out there, okay, and I love her for it.
I think it's like she's providing a service. Yes, you know,
so She's what I thought of when I was watching
this because I feel I feel for for us in
the nineties, right, there's no one was talking about this
stuff in a public.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I mean you your show was kind of the thing
like exactly your show was the version yep of that
we had the more yeah intro version to the present.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Day exactly, for better or worse.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I call her daddy, call her daddy cut that I
forgot the name of the that's okay.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Okay, well, because it's confusing if you haven't listened to it.
It's basically she's kind of taking on the power of
like I'm your daddy. Don't call them daddy, your daddy,
I think, Yes, okay, thank god. Yeah, I mean it's scary.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
But I feel like sex and the City back then
was the like, you know, opening all these topics. Yeah,
that like, you know, no topic was too embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Or whatever whatever, That's what was. It made it take
off so much. Yes, yeah, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
So thankful that we were there to do it, you
know what I mean. And I feel like it's a
good thing for people to talk about sex and the
specifics because I mean, it's a very you know, relatable
situation that doesn't serve anyone to be just hidden under rocks,
you know what I'm saying, right, Yeah, Yeah, So that's
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part of what I thought about with this particular storyline
of of you know, are we good and better are
we bad in bed? Does it matter? Does it not matter?
Like for Charlotte, it definitely definitely matters, right, And so
then she goes to the thing that she finds that's helpful,
which is this tantric sex class. And at the end
I left this out. At the end, you see her
performing this tantric sex linga massage on the guy and
(08:45):
it's going really well, do you remember that there's a
final little scene. Yeah, it's you know, below the camera.
Thank goodness.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Okay, yeah, I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Anyway, He's like, ah, you're so good, you know whatever,
and she feels empowered, like Charlotte feels empowered exactly. I mean,
this is what's important. Right to feel empowered, I think
is the important thing and whatever it is you want
to do right right. So anyway, back to Carrie. So
I love the storyline so so much. So she meets
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this very cute guy. First she wonders about, you know,
she's writing, and she's like, I wonder you know she
does that, And then they talk about you know, performance
blah blah blah. Then she's walking down the street she
meets Patrick Casey and they flirt. They go to coffee.
We find out that he's a movie music composer, which
(09:42):
is also interesting. I'm like, hmm, who is this based on.
We need to know, we need to know. And then
she does something that's also so cute. So they're having
coffee after he's you know, burned her, and then she's
leaving and she thinks to herself, many smoking cute guys
(10:04):
single cute guys are left in Manhattan, maybe seven, I think,
she says, which is funny. So she goes back and
gives them her number. She's like, I never do this,
but she gives them her number because of course back then,
you know, it wasn't this common common thing of like
everyone with their cell phones. Take that out and she
writes it in a real old fashioned book right with
(10:25):
a pen. I think, oh no, maybe she types it
in his little little page you're looking thing. I can't
remember something old fashion. So then but dude, then he
doesn't call her right and she trips out, which I
also thought was funny, like Carrie of such confidence with
(10:48):
you know men, you know what I'm saying, like men.
And then so she's talking to Miranda. This is when
Miranda tells her about her beautiful sheets that she spent
so much money on, which I also remember. It's kind
of a like a rite of passage to go buy
expensive sheets. Did you ever do this?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I don't think I did. What I know, I don't
think I went and like.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
You didn't have like the fress.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
No, I don't know, Wow I should, It's one of
my things worth itbet?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I order ABC carpet in La Man. I'm like, yeah,
ABC carpet has some good stuff. The good stuff that's.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Like, this is how royalty lives. Like when you go
over their sheets, I'm like five hundred dollars or one sheet.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I mean that's not really my style.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
But anyway again, tangent, I get it.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
No, I love, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
She has beautiful peach colored sheet, which seems odd, okay,
like Miranda buys peach. Strange to me, but whatever, she
buys peach. And she's talking about how there's no action
in her bed, so she's going to make her bed
beautiful and maybe they will come. And Carrie says, like,
feel the dreams. If you feel this, they will come.
(12:02):
This dude, what is the name, the real dude, the
Patrick Casey. His name is Richard Joseph Paul. Okay, is
that not confusing? Three and you have? His name is
Richard Joseph. I don't know where he is now. I
wish I looked it up, because my god, he is
so good.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
He was very good.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Oh, my god, so good. So he doesn't call Carrie.
Carrie trips out and thinks that she is somehow unattractive
and misread him, which of course is very unlike Carrie, right,
and Maranda's like, what are you tripping out for? You know,
calm down like how she is then carries back out
on the street in the village on a Saturday, she
sees him again smoking on the street corner with a
(12:47):
handsome guy. Another handsome guy, so she decides, maybe he's gay, right, No,
maybe that's not fair, but there's some two cute guys
in the village. We've been there, I mean, we really have, right,
So she sees him, she decides to walk up to him.
He seems a little strange, like like uncomfortable, and she's like, well, okay,
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you know, and she kind of walks off. He chases.
He runs after her, and he says, Carrie, I'm sorry
I didn't introduce you to my friend. You know, I'm
an alcoholic. We're waiting for our meeting to start, which,
of course, now it all makes sense. This is what
people do. They stand outside the meeting. They smoke cigarettes
and eat candy and drink coffee. This is what you do,
you know, being an alcoholic. This is what you do
(13:28):
when you're in the program, right, yeah, And she's like, oh,
you know, I thought you were gay, and he's like,
I'm not gay. And I didn't call you because I've
only been the program eleven months and my sponsor told
me I cannot date un till it's been a year,
which is a very very real thing. I've been on
both sides of this situation, right, my own self having
to try out to date, which is so hard when
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you're young, you're trying to get sober. You just want
some comfort or some fun. You don't name me, you
really want to date. And also it is very much
an addiction type of a situation, right, like the thrill
of a flirtation, the thrill of a new relationship, right,
so understandable that addicts would want to transfer that energy
(14:14):
over to another person.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
So then he goes.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Then he goes, well, it's only a few weeks until
it's been a month, Right, let's go out. Because he's
hemming and hauling in his own head, you know, so
relatable and so real. That guy's so good And Carrie
doesn't really know about this that much, it seems like, right,
which is interesting, And I do feel like back then
people were not as aware of what happens in a
(14:41):
twelve step program, maybe so much. So they go out
the scene that I love the most. There's a lot
of good scenes, but the scene that I love the most.
So she goes out on many like coffee and then dinner,
and she tries to kiss him on her stupid I mean,
my god, how this guy doesn't because I don't even know?
It's a lot. She puts the full court press on
(15:04):
and he somehow just just gets out.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Stone faced walks away.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, yes, stone face walks away, And she did this
really funny thing on this tube.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
She goes like, oh yeah, you know, like what.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
What am I doing wrong? What am I doing wrong?
And listen, okay, Carrie, uh we we feel you because
I would kiss you. I mean my god, right like she's.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
It was definitely a movie moment, ready to.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Go, big time, big time beautiful, you know village, yeah time,
so evocative. So finally she says something like, uh wait,
does she just go and grab and kiss him? And
then he says something like he's never had sex sober
(15:47):
and he's scared to do it. He doesn't know if
he'll be any good, connecting back to the performance question.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Together does it all together?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Which I think this is We're just newly weaving it
together in the show. It took a while for that
to get going, like how we think of it when
we think of it in the past, you know. So
they go up there and they have sex, and they
have some kind This is Sarah Jessica's Sextyes, she does
not like sex scenes. She does not like nudity. So
they kind of pan across the apartment and you see
(16:18):
his back. That's you don't even see her. She's hidden
in the sheets. You assume she's there, might not be
there for the exactly exactly that's how she would like it. Okay,
So then it goes really great and he starts he's like,
sex is amazing, and she's like ah, and he goes
(16:40):
does everyone know this? And he starts jumping up and
down and it is so adorable and great. And I
sometimes feel that, like if you haven't had sex for
a while and then they have sex, you're just like,
oh my god, it is amazing. I mean, theoretically, theoretically
it might not be, but then something hope it is.
(17:01):
You hope it is and what it is it really is.
But then when this isn't so sad right anyway, I'm
on attention. So when that guy with the many names
Thomas Thomas John John, Yes, something that Richard Joseph Joseph Paul.
I feel you when you jump on that bed. I
(17:23):
really do. I was with you, and I think he's
so relieved that he can enjoy sex without being high
or stoned or drunk or whatever he says. Right, so
then he's like, let's do it again right there. Oh,
the addict sees the addict. I was like, we're going
down a road.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
This is the sees the addict. Oh yeah that's good.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Oh yeah you can, Yeah, you can totally, you know
what I mean. Yeah, I mean it's not to say
it's not fun. Right, I've been in many a situations
where I'm like, oh, this person has this addiction or
that addiction or whatever, and then you're like, okay, I'm
just waiting waiting for it to be a problem. But
(18:08):
you know what, I relate. I relate. I mean I'm sober,
thank God. But yeah, you can. You can transfer to
a lot. You know, chocolate. Chocolate's a good addiction, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
So basically, this adorable guy, Patrick Casey's his character name.
They have a lot of sex At one point we
cut to the to the coffee shop and Carrie's ordering
like twelve orders. Now all of us are like, what's
the problem. She's like, Oh, we've just been here having
so much sex. And Charlotte of course takes that personally
because she's still living in the fact that she's bad
(18:37):
in bed, which I forgot to mention that Samantha also
agrees on. Do you remember when they're walking down the
street and she's like, look at her hips, there's no movement.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Oh line, I know. They have a whole.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Conversation about yeah, And I remember this because there's another
time earlier in the show where he's like she's like,
your hips don't move and I'm like what. We go
down the road with Carrie and the guy, and at
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a certain point she kind of has like a light
bulb moment you know that he's got a new addiction. Yes,
And she says to him, you know I think that that,
you know, we should just just have a little moment
apart and you should go home. Oh. I forgot. He
confesses that he loves her first right after a week
(19:35):
and a hot yeah, which is so funny and adorable,
and she's just like oh, thank you. Like how uncomfortable,
you know, But also he's.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
So he's so exuberant, exuberant, and like, yeah, he seems
like genuine.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I mean, of course, I mean believes yes, yes, Alex,
he's addict, but yes, he doesn't mean doesn't mean it right, right.
So she's flattered. This is one my notes say. She's flattered.
But that's not what you want when you tell someone
that she loved them. And basically she says, you know,
we need some time apart, and he's like, are you
breaking up with me? And she goes, no, I just
(20:15):
want you to go home and I'll see you in
a couple of days. And this does not go well.
She goes to bed with a very beautiful hairdoo. I
might add she got a real nice top knot, and
she hears some shouting. She looks out her window. This
guy's in her beautiful street. He's on Ferry Street and
(20:38):
he is stripping off his clothes and he is drunk.
I forgot about this. Oh my god, it's so good.
It's so good. I don't remember any of it either.
He's stripping off his clothes, yelling at her like I'm drunk.
It is your fault because you didn't love me back,
you know, like just gone off the wagon is terrible, terrible,
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and she's torn between like wanting to help him, but
then she goes at one point like, but he taught
me that that would be codependent, so I can't go
down there and help, right, And then like some neighbors
shouting it in like get your clothes on, So he
screams all kinds of things that are as he takes
off all his clothes, even his underwear, on the street
(21:21):
in the middle of the night. It's very interesting and
I can't say that I've ever seen that exactly happen
in New York, I know. And then later she says
that three weeks later she gets a letter from him
making amends. Oh, I know. And then she never talks
to him again, but she wonders if he stays sober
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and if she was really that good in bed, because
he tells her over and over again, like you're amazing,
You're the fast, You're amazing, And I mean, what even
is good in bed? Like good in bed is very
very subjective, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, like
I think and I don't know that we act actually
say that in the episode. But that's what I took
(22:03):
from it, is like, you know, Samantha obviously is good
in bed, but the gay guys don't. I was like, so,
but that's because they're gay. It's not related, you know
what I'm saying, right, Like, it's a very subjective kind
of a conversation. That's what I think about it. And
I think that if you're you know, I guess you
need to just be yourself in bed is the big thing,
(22:27):
don't you think.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I mean, I was just seeing this as like Charlotte's journey,
and then the other things kind of get woven in,
you know.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah, that's true and so unusual.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Like I feel like that's the first time that we've
started on Charlotte and Charlotte's issue gets kind of fun out.
But I totally agree with you. It is interesting how
even though I love Carrie's storyline the most, because I
think that guy is so good and also so real,
like you said, not like just an extreme something like
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it has so many ups and downs and emotional elements
to it. I mean, I think.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
It's also I thought it was kind of interesting that
Carrie had the wherewithal because a lot of times when
you're that age, you just like go with.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
This addictive behavior.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
IM no, but but yeah, Like I thought that was
kind of interesting that she like recognized it and laid
down a boundary instead of going to like hooking onto
the drama train and the crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I mean, that's the other thing. When people talk about
Carrie's faults or whatever they perceive Carrie's faults to be,
sometimes you'll get her and you're like, she's incredibly mature
and thoughtful. You know, like when he's down there screaming,
I would have gone down there and helped that guy, right,
Like who would?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I mean, more like the guy says I love you
after week You're like, okay, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I don't know that part. That part kind of because
it's kind of uncomfortable. And I think because it's a
week and a half, right.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
It's a little rash.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
It's a lot. And the thing that I do think
about her, which I think is is impressive because she
is a sex columnist, right, so she's hearing so many
different stories about relationships and sex and different things. Right,
she's kind of like this receptacle of all the Manhattan stories.
You know, she knows enough intellectually like, oh, yeah, that's
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probably not a good thing that he's investing his love
after a week and a half, right, you know, yes,
but that is a very rational thing. But I have
had certainly times where people seem overboard, and I feel
like that the issue is that you're not in it
with them, Like, it's not so great if you're not
also feeling right. I mean, I have also gone too
(25:01):
fast myself, right, But as long as you're in it together, hey, fun,
probably not gonna last, but really a good time. Yeah, yeah,
oh my god, we did. We're done.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
We did. We did. My gosh, thank you, rach sure,
thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
It was wonderful. Yeah, I'm gonna come visit you on
the wool.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yes, you know, Chris is gonna come.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
We're gonna talk about being Pisces and beyond. Yes, be woo.
Let's be some woo wool together. Okay, good, I love it.
It'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I know it's good that you were on talk about
the tantric sex. We need a woo woo talk about
the sex.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Not I'm no expert on tantric sex.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
That's okay, but category it is definitely right.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yes, all right, what.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Are you a Charlotte?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Oh do you ask that at the end of you
I'm a Charlotte.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
In what way? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I just relate to the person that's kind of like
what what did you do? You know, like like that
kind of thing to one of my friends.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Well, I guess I'm thinking back to like being that age.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
But I mean, I guess I'm like, well, I guess
I think of like Charlotte and Miranda and Carrie kind
of in one thing, and then there's like the Samantha.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I mean, I'm.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Definitely not a Samantha Casy can't tell from my vibes,
but I'd say I'm somewhere in the other three realm Yes.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Got it, but different ones at different times.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yes, But I relate.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I I also relate to the to the huh what,
huh yeah what Yeah, that's kind of the easiest part
of me.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, I mean that seems.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Really fun to play and to be on a comedy,
you know, the innocent, wide eyed like what.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
And when I look back at the show, one of
the things that I think about, compared to and just
like that is that I was often just responding to
them until I get into the whole like I'm gonna
get married and I've got this recond and then when
and just like that came, Michael Patrick would say to me, like,
you're driving this scene. I'd be like, oh no, I
(27:20):
want them to drive.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Right right, that's your vibe is to be the the
reactor and.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
That Yeah, I mean I had to still react, but
then I also had to drive the scene, especially like
in Charlotte's Family. Ya dynamic, yes, like the captain or whatever. Exhausting, gosh,
I like the reacting fun time.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Too, right.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I've kind of learned that, like just over the years,
like I kind of like being the person like comes
out and says the little thing goes back like it's
fun the person.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
It's like, you know, I feel the same.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I feel the same.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Just know thyself, I know.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
And we all contribute, Yes we do, right, Yeah, they
need us, they're saying, right, I won't be up there
by myself now, all right, all.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Right, Well that was fun.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Thank you, two pieces, Thank you, two pieces in a room, yes,
with some mics
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte? Welcome back everybody to Are You a Charlotte?
Part two? Thanks for joining us. Here we go. Now
we're gonna get to my favorite favorite storyline of the
whole thing, probably because I'm sober. I've been sober a
very long time. This carry storyline.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Oh, I thought, actually, oh, you go ahead, but you okay,
I was gonna say this storyline felt like more real
than a not that the other ones are, but this
felt like very relatable, more than the usual I'm with.
Usually it's a little more like salacious or like extreme,
and this was like something most people have been through the.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Story and I loved it so much. And I remember zero,
absolutely zero. And this guy I don't remember this guy,
but he's incredible. That guy is so good. We're gonna
figure out his name. Okay. So this is Carrie's storyline,
you guys, And if you haven't seen this episode, do
you need watch it only for Carrie's storyline, if for
nothing else. So this is the episode wasn't good for you?
(01:04):
And basically, so this is the one thing that I
love as well. You know, Carrie smokes back back in
the day, right and later on too. But you know,
this is funny because now no one smokes. No one
gets to smoke now in film and TV basically, which
is a very interesting thing. My kids think smoking is
like like anyone who has a cigarette. I mean, we
(01:28):
drove by the other day someone who had their arm
out of a car with a cigarette, and my daughter
was like, oh no, like you thought like a fire
was gonna start. Like they have such a fascinating reaction,
and I'm like, yeah, they're terrible. Cigarettes are terrible, because
of course I don't want my kids to smoke, right,
but it's just funny, like it was a rite of
(01:49):
passage in a way for us to have the little
smoking face. Don't tell my mother I said that. If
you're listening, mom, I never had a smoking face. And
really when I smoked, it was when I was in
college and we would come into the city and we
would go to village cigars. Oh yeah, yeah, it was
really fun and I would get like those French cigarettes
that are wrapped in different colorful papers, you know, and
(02:11):
then yeah, exactly right, like the colorful papers. They were cool.
And then we would go and sit on some strangers stoop,
which is all very funny ending up where I did,
you know, filming a show on a stoop in the
village and we would sit and smoke. I would try
to smoke and they would laugh. I was the comic.
I couldn't pull it off, could not pull it off.
(02:32):
So thank god I am not a smoker in Sex
and the City or and just like that, thank god.
But Carrie is So Carrie's walking down the street and
this handsome guy has his back to her. He's standing
leaning on a building and he finishes his cigarette and
flicks it and it hits Carrie and she's like oh,
and she's really like peeved, you know, which is funny
(02:54):
since she is also a smoker. But it burned her,
you know, it hits her arm, and he he's like,
oh my god, oh my god, and you know, didn't
leave a mark. Well also, he's very cute, right, So
this cute smoker guy has you know, thrown a cigarette
at her inadvertently on a village street in the summer.
I mean, it's pretty fantastic, right, these are the days,
(03:18):
these are the days. So she decides that he's cute.
Let's see what is this guy's name, Oh, Patrick Casey, Yes, Patrick.
She says his name a lot too, which is interesting. Yeah, yeah,
she seems fond of his name. This is an important
central question of the show, this particular episode, your performance
(03:41):
in bed, not your Rachel's. This is so you know,
how how Charlotte you know the guy sleeping? Yeah one,
they're theoretically have you said? Then we go to the
coffee shop and I'm like, you know, you know, and
everybody has their different like two cents to say about
you know, like whether right right? And it is an
(04:05):
interesting question. And I wonder now in the days of
you know, Riah and whatnot, where apparently people sex and
or you know, engage in I don't know, some kind
of very sexual flirtation early on, as opposed to the
olden days where it might have taken a while. Right.
I wonder what the young people feel about performance? Do
(04:31):
you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (04:33):
What do you mean? Like the young people.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Wonder if they worry about it?
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Oh ah, I don't talk to many young people. Line,
I get it, but this is your job. It is
my job now is I'm not really let me ask
you this question. Have you ever listened to.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
The call her Daddy podcast. No let me.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Tell you no, No, I mean you heard of it.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yes. So this woman, Alex Cooper, Yes, fascinating individual okay,
an incredible interviewer okay. But one of the things, she's
extremely sex positive. Yes, she's like, in my mind, if
Carrie and Samantha had a baby, it would be Alex okay,
because she has the Carrie like I'm gonna understand it,
(05:25):
I'm going to get to the bottom of it. But
then she has the Samantha sex positive you know, just
like like non judgmental, like let's get in there, let's
talk it through. So one of the things that she did,
and I have not listened to this actual episode, I
feel I should, just from a female perspective, she gives
like very specific instructions on how to give a good
(05:48):
and I mean specific. Do you guys know what I'm
talking about? Yes, they're all not in they know they know.
So it's like it's in depth, okay, like in depth.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Direction tantric sex class you guys watched in your episodes.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
More so even like more so yeah, I know. So,
so that reminded me of the young people and their performance. Right,
So I do think that like the kind of you know,
the normalizing of talking about sex, right, talking about specifics
(06:25):
and you know, like what are you into? What are
you not into? And empowering everybody like don't do things
you're not into. Like she's like that. She's not saying,
you know, let him pressure you or and she's very empowering, right,
which is great. And I mean she's really my main,
my main like viewpoint into the young ladies perspective. Right,
(06:45):
She's she's out there, okay, and I love her for it.
I think it's like she's providing a service. Yes, you know,
so She's what I thought of when I was watching
this because I feel I feel for for us in
the nineties, right, there's no one was talking about this
stuff in a public.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
I mean you your show was kind of the thing
like exactly your show was the version yep of that
we had the more yeah intro version to the present.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Day exactly, for better or worse.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I call her daddy, call her daddy cut that I
forgot the name of the that's okay.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Okay, well, because it's confusing if you haven't listened to it.
It's basically she's kind of taking on the power of
like I'm your daddy. Don't call them daddy, your daddy,
I think, Yes, okay, thank god. Yeah, I mean it's scary.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
But I feel like sex and the City back then
was the like, you know, opening all these topics. Yeah,
that like, you know, no topic was too embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Or whatever whatever, That's what was. It made it take
off so much. Yes, yeah, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
So thankful that we were there to do it, you
know what I mean. And I feel like it's a
good thing for people to talk about sex and the
specifics because I mean, it's a very you know, relatable
situation that doesn't serve anyone to be just hidden under rocks,
you know what I'm saying, right, Yeah, Yeah, So that's
(08:22):
part of what I thought about with this particular storyline
of of you know, are we good and better are
we bad in bed? Does it matter? Does it not matter?
Like for Charlotte, it definitely definitely matters, right, And so
then she goes to the thing that she finds that's helpful,
which is this tantric sex class. And at the end
I left this out. At the end, you see her
performing this tantric sex linga massage on the guy and
(08:45):
it's going really well, do you remember that there's a
final little scene. Yeah, it's you know, below the camera.
Thank goodness.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Okay, yeah, I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Anyway, He's like, ah, you're so good, you know whatever,
and she feels empowered, like Charlotte feels empowered exactly. I mean,
this is what's important. Right to feel empowered, I think
is the important thing and whatever it is you want
to do right right. So anyway, back to Carrie. So
I love the storyline so so much. So she meets
(09:20):
this very cute guy. First she wonders about, you know,
she's writing, and she's like, I wonder you know she
does that, And then they talk about you know, performance
blah blah blah. Then she's walking down the street she
meets Patrick Casey and they flirt. They go to coffee.
We find out that he's a movie music composer, which
(09:42):
is also interesting. I'm like, hmm, who is this based on.
We need to know, we need to know. And then
she does something that's also so cute. So they're having
coffee after he's you know, burned her, and then she's
leaving and she thinks to herself, many smoking cute guys
(10:04):
single cute guys are left in Manhattan, maybe seven, I think,
she says, which is funny. So she goes back and
gives them her number. She's like, I never do this,
but she gives them her number because of course back then,
you know, it wasn't this common common thing of like
everyone with their cell phones. Take that out and she
writes it in a real old fashioned book right with
(10:25):
a pen. I think, oh no, maybe she types it
in his little little page you're looking thing. I can't
remember something old fashion. So then but dude, then he
doesn't call her right and she trips out, which I
also thought was funny, like Carrie of such confidence with
(10:48):
you know men, you know what I'm saying, like men.
And then so she's talking to Miranda. This is when
Miranda tells her about her beautiful sheets that she spent
so much money on, which I also remember. It's kind
of a like a rite of passage to go buy
expensive sheets. Did you ever do this?
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I don't think I did. What I know, I don't
think I went and like.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
You didn't have like the fress.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
No, I don't know, Wow I should, It's one of
my things worth itbet?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I order ABC carpet in La Man. I'm like, yeah,
ABC carpet has some good stuff. The good stuff that's.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Like, this is how royalty lives. Like when you go
over their sheets, I'm like five hundred dollars or one sheet.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I mean that's not really my style.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
But anyway again, tangent, I get it.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
No, I love, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
She has beautiful peach colored sheet, which seems odd, okay,
like Miranda buys peach. Strange to me, but whatever, she
buys peach. And she's talking about how there's no action
in her bed, so she's going to make her bed
beautiful and maybe they will come. And Carrie says, like,
feel the dreams. If you feel this, they will come.
(12:02):
This dude, what is the name, the real dude, the
Patrick Casey. His name is Richard Joseph Paul. Okay, is
that not confusing? Three and you have? His name is
Richard Joseph. I don't know where he is now. I
wish I looked it up, because my god, he is
so good.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
He was very good.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Oh, my god, so good. So he doesn't call Carrie.
Carrie trips out and thinks that she is somehow unattractive
and misread him, which of course is very unlike Carrie, right,
and Maranda's like, what are you tripping out for? You know,
calm down like how she is then carries back out
on the street in the village on a Saturday, she
sees him again smoking on the street corner with a
(12:47):
handsome guy. Another handsome guy, so she decides, maybe he's gay, right, No,
maybe that's not fair, but there's some two cute guys
in the village. We've been there, I mean, we really have, right,
So she sees him, she decides to walk up to him.
He seems a little strange, like like uncomfortable, and she's like, well, okay,
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you know, and she kind of walks off. He chases.
He runs after her, and he says, Carrie, I'm sorry
I didn't introduce you to my friend. You know, I'm
an alcoholic. We're waiting for our meeting to start, which,
of course, now it all makes sense. This is what
people do. They stand outside the meeting. They smoke cigarettes
and eat candy and drink coffee. This is what you do,
you know, being an alcoholic. This is what you do
(13:28):
when you're in the program, right, yeah, And she's like, oh,
you know, I thought you were gay, and he's like,
I'm not gay. And I didn't call you because I've
only been the program eleven months and my sponsor told
me I cannot date un till it's been a year,
which is a very very real thing. I've been on
both sides of this situation, right, my own self having
to try out to date, which is so hard when
(13:50):
you're young, you're trying to get sober. You just want
some comfort or some fun. You don't name me, you
really want to date. And also it is very much
an addiction type of a situation, right, like the thrill
of a flirtation, the thrill of a new relationship, right,
so understandable that addicts would want to transfer that energy
(14:14):
over to another person.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
So then he goes.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Then he goes, well, it's only a few weeks until
it's been a month, Right, let's go out. Because he's
hemming and hauling in his own head, you know, so
relatable and so real. That guy's so good And Carrie
doesn't really know about this that much, it seems like, right,
which is interesting, And I do feel like back then
people were not as aware of what happens in a
(14:41):
twelve step program, maybe so much. So they go out
the scene that I love the most. There's a lot
of good scenes, but the scene that I love the most.
So she goes out on many like coffee and then dinner,
and she tries to kiss him on her stupid I mean,
my god, how this guy doesn't because I don't even know?
It's a lot. She puts the full court press on
(15:04):
and he somehow just just gets out.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Stone faced walks away.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah, yes, stone face walks away, And she did this
really funny thing on this tube.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
She goes like, oh yeah, you know, like what.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
What am I doing wrong? What am I doing wrong?
And listen, okay, Carrie, uh we we feel you because
I would kiss you. I mean my god, right like she's.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
It was definitely a movie moment, ready to.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Go, big time, big time beautiful, you know village, yeah time,
so evocative. So finally she says something like, uh wait,
does she just go and grab and kiss him? And
then he says something like he's never had sex sober
(15:47):
and he's scared to do it. He doesn't know if
he'll be any good, connecting back to the performance question.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Together does it all together?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Which I think this is We're just newly weaving it
together in the show. It took a while for that
to get going, like how we think of it when
we think of it in the past, you know. So
they go up there and they have sex, and they
have some kind This is Sarah Jessica's Sextyes, she does
not like sex scenes. She does not like nudity. So
they kind of pan across the apartment and you see
(16:18):
his back. That's you don't even see her. She's hidden
in the sheets. You assume she's there, might not be
there for the exactly exactly that's how she would like it. Okay,
So then it goes really great and he starts he's like,
sex is amazing, and she's like ah, and he goes
(16:40):
does everyone know this? And he starts jumping up and
down and it is so adorable and great. And I
sometimes feel that, like if you haven't had sex for
a while and then they have sex, you're just like,
oh my god, it is amazing. I mean, theoretically, theoretically
it might not be, but then something hope it is.
(17:01):
You hope it is and what it is it really is.
But then when this isn't so sad right anyway, I'm
on attention. So when that guy with the many names
Thomas Thomas John John, Yes, something that Richard Joseph Joseph Paul.
I feel you when you jump on that bed. I
(17:23):
really do. I was with you, and I think he's
so relieved that he can enjoy sex without being high
or stoned or drunk or whatever he says. Right, so
then he's like, let's do it again right there. Oh,
the addict sees the addict. I was like, we're going
down a road.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
This is the sees the addict. Oh yeah that's good.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Oh yeah you can, Yeah, you can totally, you know
what I mean. Yeah, I mean it's not to say
it's not fun. Right, I've been in many a situations
where I'm like, oh, this person has this addiction or
that addiction or whatever, and then you're like, okay, I'm
just waiting waiting for it to be a problem. But
(18:08):
you know what, I relate. I relate. I mean I'm sober,
thank God. But yeah, you can. You can transfer to
a lot. You know, chocolate. Chocolate's a good addiction, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
So basically, this adorable guy, Patrick Casey's his character name.
They have a lot of sex At one point we
cut to the to the coffee shop and Carrie's ordering
like twelve orders. Now all of us are like, what's
the problem. She's like, Oh, we've just been here having
so much sex. And Charlotte of course takes that personally
because she's still living in the fact that she's bad
(18:37):
in bed, which I forgot to mention that Samantha also
agrees on. Do you remember when they're walking down the
street and she's like, look at her hips, there's no movement.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
Oh line, I know. They have a whole.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Conversation about yeah, And I remember this because there's another
time earlier in the show where he's like she's like,
your hips don't move and I'm like what. We go
down the road with Carrie and the guy, and at
(19:14):
a certain point she kind of has like a light
bulb moment you know that he's got a new addiction. Yes,
And she says to him, you know I think that that,
you know, we should just just have a little moment
apart and you should go home. Oh. I forgot. He
confesses that he loves her first right after a week
(19:35):
and a hot yeah, which is so funny and adorable,
and she's just like oh, thank you. Like how uncomfortable,
you know, But also he's.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
So he's so exuberant, exuberant, and like, yeah, he seems
like genuine.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I mean, of course, I mean believes yes, yes, Alex,
he's addict, but yes, he doesn't mean doesn't mean it right, right.
So she's flattered. This is one my notes say. She's flattered.
But that's not what you want when you tell someone
that she loved them. And basically she says, you know,
we need some time apart, and he's like, are you
breaking up with me? And she goes, no, I just
(20:15):
want you to go home and I'll see you in
a couple of days. And this does not go well.
She goes to bed with a very beautiful hairdoo. I
might add she got a real nice top knot, and
she hears some shouting. She looks out her window. This
guy's in her beautiful street. He's on Ferry Street and
(20:38):
he is stripping off his clothes and he is drunk.
I forgot about this. Oh my god, it's so good.
It's so good. I don't remember any of it either.
He's stripping off his clothes, yelling at her like I'm drunk.
It is your fault because you didn't love me back,
you know, like just gone off the wagon is terrible, terrible,
(21:00):
and she's torn between like wanting to help him, but
then she goes at one point like, but he taught
me that that would be codependent, so I can't go
down there and help, right, And then like some neighbors
shouting it in like get your clothes on, So he
screams all kinds of things that are as he takes
off all his clothes, even his underwear, on the street
(21:21):
in the middle of the night. It's very interesting and
I can't say that I've ever seen that exactly happen
in New York, I know. And then later she says
that three weeks later she gets a letter from him
making amends. Oh, I know. And then she never talks
to him again, but she wonders if he stays sober
(21:42):
and if she was really that good in bed, because
he tells her over and over again, like you're amazing,
You're the fast, You're amazing, And I mean, what even
is good in bed? Like good in bed is very
very subjective, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, like
I think and I don't know that we act actually
say that in the episode. But that's what I took
(22:03):
from it, is like, you know, Samantha obviously is good
in bed, but the gay guys don't. I was like, so,
but that's because they're gay. It's not related, you know
what I'm saying, right, Like, it's a very subjective kind
of a conversation. That's what I think about it. And
I think that if you're you know, I guess you
need to just be yourself in bed is the big thing,
(22:27):
don't you think.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
I mean, I was just seeing this as like Charlotte's journey,
and then the other things kind of get woven in,
you know.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah, that's true and so unusual.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Like I feel like that's the first time that we've
started on Charlotte and Charlotte's issue gets kind of fun out.
But I totally agree with you. It is interesting how
even though I love Carrie's storyline the most, because I
think that guy is so good and also so real,
like you said, not like just an extreme something like
(23:04):
it has so many ups and downs and emotional elements
to it. I mean, I think.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
It's also I thought it was kind of interesting that
Carrie had the wherewithal because a lot of times when
you're that age, you just like go with.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
This addictive behavior.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
IM no, but but yeah, Like I thought that was
kind of interesting that she like recognized it and laid
down a boundary instead of going to like hooking onto
the drama train and the crazy.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I mean, that's the other thing. When people talk about
Carrie's faults or whatever they perceive Carrie's faults to be,
sometimes you'll get her and you're like, she's incredibly mature
and thoughtful. You know, like when he's down there screaming,
I would have gone down there and helped that guy, right,
Like who would?
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I mean, more like the guy says I love you
after week You're like, okay, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I don't know that part. That part kind of because
it's kind of uncomfortable. And I think because it's a
week and a half, right.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
It's a little rash.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
It's a lot. And the thing that I do think
about her, which I think is is impressive because she
is a sex columnist, right, so she's hearing so many
different stories about relationships and sex and different things. Right,
she's kind of like this receptacle of all the Manhattan stories.
You know, she knows enough intellectually like, oh, yeah, that's
(24:38):
probably not a good thing that he's investing his love
after a week and a half, right, you know, yes,
but that is a very rational thing. But I have
had certainly times where people seem overboard, and I feel
like that the issue is that you're not in it
with them, Like, it's not so great if you're not
also feeling right. I mean, I have also gone too
(25:01):
fast myself, right, But as long as you're in it together, hey, fun,
probably not gonna last, but really a good time. Yeah, yeah,
oh my god, we did. We're done.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
We did. We did. My gosh, thank you, rach sure,
thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
It was wonderful. Yeah, I'm gonna come visit you on
the wool.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yes, you know, Chris is gonna come.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
We're gonna talk about being Pisces and beyond. Yes, be woo.
Let's be some woo wool together. Okay, good, I love it.
It'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
I know it's good that you were on talk about
the tantric sex. We need a woo woo talk about
the sex.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Not I'm no expert on tantric sex.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
That's okay, but category it is definitely right.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yes, all right, what.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Are you a Charlotte?
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Oh do you ask that at the end of you
I'm a Charlotte.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
In what way? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I just relate to the person that's kind of like
what what did you do? You know, like like that
kind of thing to one of my friends.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Well, I guess I'm thinking back to like being that age.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
But I mean, I guess I'm like, well, I guess
I think of like Charlotte and Miranda and Carrie kind
of in one thing, and then there's like the Samantha.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I mean, I'm.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Definitely not a Samantha Casy can't tell from my vibes,
but I'd say I'm somewhere in the other three realm Yes.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Got it, but different ones at different times.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yes, But I relate.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
I I also relate to the to the huh what,
huh yeah what Yeah, that's kind of the easiest part
of me.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah, I mean that seems.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Really fun to play and to be on a comedy,
you know, the innocent, wide eyed like what.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
And when I look back at the show, one of
the things that I think about, compared to and just
like that is that I was often just responding to
them until I get into the whole like I'm gonna
get married and I've got this recond and then when
and just like that came, Michael Patrick would say to me, like,
you're driving this scene. I'd be like, oh no, I
(27:20):
want them to drive.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Right right, that's your vibe is to be the the
reactor and.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
That Yeah, I mean I had to still react, but
then I also had to drive the scene, especially like
in Charlotte's Family. Ya dynamic, yes, like the captain or whatever. Exhausting, gosh,
I like the reacting fun time.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Too, right.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I've kind of learned that, like just over the years,
like I kind of like being the person like comes
out and says the little thing goes back like it's
fun the person.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
It's like, you know, I feel the same.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
I feel the same.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Just know thyself, I know.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
And we all contribute, Yes we do, right, Yeah, they
need us, they're saying, right, I won't be up there
by myself now, all right, all.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Right, Well that was fun.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Thank you, two pieces, Thank you, two pieces in a room, yes,
with some mics
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