Our Season One finale conversation continues. The church missteps have us all cringing with secondhand embarrassment. Grey's Anatomy star and podcast host Camilla Luddington weighs in with a definitive theory about having one true love, and Kristin responds with a controversial take on Big.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
you a Charlotte? Hi? Hi everybody, we are back here.
We are Canille Levington and I recapping the finale of
season one. Oh come on, ye faithful, let's jump back in.
All right, let's read. Uh this is tun We are
(00:23):
at this really really fascinating and important episode. And I
do remember people would come up to me and say, like,
you know, people sometimes just talk about their favorite episodes,
and people would say like, oh, I love Oh, come
on you Faithful, and I'd be like, really, because to me,
the whole first season was a wash. I don't really
remember that much of it. Okay, yeah, it was a lot.
We filmed the whole first season in three months. It
(00:44):
was new Yeah, fast, fast, fast. That's kind of Gorilla
TV making, you know, it's just like bam bam, bam,
bam bam. You know.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I wasn't really in some ways. I I obviously would
read the scripts and was around and all, like often
we'd cross board locations, right, so maybe Sarah would be
doing a scene with mister Big and we'd be waiting
to do, you know, a group scene or whatever. So
I was around for a lot of it, but I
wasn't really tuned into the level of work that she
(01:15):
was doing. Like I'm completely wowed every time i look
back at these episodes, and partly I'm wowed because like,
mister Big is not worth this effort, Like I've said
this your times, but I'm like, I agree, Okay, thank you,
because but I always have Now, did you.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Okay, explain I've never been a fan, got it? So
I wasn't a super fan of Aiden either.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I just I just wasn't.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Do you think good? He No, I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I know, I don't think that at all. I just
think that, oh my god, I'm going to say something
that's so controversy.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Do it?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Do it?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I think she's bad taste of men.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
It's okay, it's okay, some of us have bad taste
in men. Okay, listen, it's the truth.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I don't get Big. Okay, we'll get into it because
I have a lot of opinions about this episode.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Tell me help me, because I mean through the live
really now, looking back, I also have a lot of opinions,
and I didn't at the time. I just accepted it
as normal because I think that I also experienced many
of these things, do you know?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, yeah, I mean there was definitely.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I mean, isn't there a time where where we all
have bad taste in men? I think what bothers me
about Carrie is that like she hang on hung onto
a man that was like, obviously just I don't understand
what the appeal was.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Me neither when I look back at the time, I
completely did right. And even when I'm watching this episode,
which we're out of order now, but I'm just gonna say,
because this out sure, you know, Okay, So this is
the episode where Carrie is doing some research about religion,
and so she goes and she's standing on this very
picturesque summer New York City street corner and she happens
(03:09):
to see she's looking at a church. She happens to
see Big walk out with his very beautiful mother. Good lord, Yeah,
marian Seldy's an incredible actress. And she's like, oh my god,
Big in his mother. It's almost like she didn't realize
that he had a mother, you know, so interesting, and
then she walks over. They chat, they have a weird
(03:29):
conversation like that's also part of what is amazing to me,
is like, like their dynamic is very fascinating, and I
think a lot of it is because they're really good
actors also, right, So like there's so many layers, yes,
like her face and all the things that she's knowing,
Like I mean, okay, I'm gonna get canceled. You're You're
(03:50):
not gonna get canceled.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Carrie has no poker face, and it drives me crazy,
So I are you kidding? I love you, Sarah. First off,
to the camera, I love Carrie doesn't have a poker face.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
That's true. That's and someone who also doesn't, So I
totally know what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Well, and I also think that that was indeed listen.
That's why.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Also to her credit, we loved the show because I
could tell. I can tell on every moment what she's thinking.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I know.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I feel like viewers felt like they were girlfriends with you, right,
So I'm like, no, no, her feelings are hurt. But
as a girlfriend, I'm also like, don't show him that face.
I know he's so unavailable, Like, don't look so hurt. Like,
I know she's so vulnerable. That's why I was sucked
into the show. But as a girlfriend of hers, which
(04:39):
I felt like I was a girlfriend of all of you.
I was like, you don't give him that.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I know. See I needed you in my life. I know,
I know. See I'm not show it's hard well because
it's also interesting because also, as I was saying at
the time, it never entered my mind, I was Team Big,
as was Charlotte. Now is it possibly because Charlotte was
(05:06):
Team Big that I never really considered it, right because
you know, we have playing a character. I don't realize
it's like fully seeped into you. But like I never
looked at it like harshly, like hey, should I be
Team Big? Never entered my mind. I just was Team Big, right,
Like I never I look back and I'm looking at
him and his dynamic and how aloof he is and
(05:29):
how hard she tries and how he's breadcrumbing to use
a modern term, right, but we didn't have that term. Yeah,
And she's just everything. She's just trying so hard and
she doesn't have you. She's so fantastic, And I'm like, gosh,
some of us should have said that to her. And
I feel like Miranda tries a little bit, but not
fully like you're saying, but like she somewhat tries to say,
(05:52):
you know, maybe he's just not that great. I don't
know what she says at some point, well, you're an optimist.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Too, You're the optimist on the show, so you're you're
gonna be like, yay, this is no.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I don't question. I don't question.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
This is why I'm a little Miranda. I'm a little like, no.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, I know, I know. But when she so, then
she goes back. So she she kind of basically says
to him like, I'd love to go to church with
you and your mom. And he's like, oh no, it's
just this private thing that I do with my mom.
And then she and Miranda end up going to church
and they're up in the balcony and they spy on them.
I know, and I remember this, and I'm so uncomfortable
looking at them in those hats, right, But when she's
(06:28):
looking down, I know, there's they stand out so much.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
You're trying to go.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
In with me, and they look so m right, color right,
colored straw has. I know it's not conspying at all.
But then she looks down at him and she goes
there he was the voiceover there. He was so tall
and handsome, and I'm like, yeah, like I'm kind of
with her on it still, And then I'm like, but no,
he's very withholding.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I just think that Sarah is so and carried too
with that, she's so we'regeous that I'm like, whatever, yeah,
and anybody else a little bit, with any guy a
little bit. Maybe I'm realizing this.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Moment, maybe I don't think anyone's good enough for her, But.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I just I'm not impressed with him. With him, I'm
not impressed by him.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
No, I'm not impressed.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I know. I know it's a hard thing to look
back on and think it is because I also feel he.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Doesn't give him much at all.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
No, and I'm so glad. Anyway, let's get back before
you give everything away, so we're going to actually rewatch
you guys. It's hard. It's hard because there's some big themes.
Look there, you are, You're very adorable. You're not canceled.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
We're just saying, I'm finn, I'm calling it what it is.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You're not alone. People have a lot of very strong
feelings about Carrie, and I think they have a lot
of very strong feelings about all of us. Let's be
honest and some of them are not always nice, but
it's okay because to me I have to remember, like you,
what are you trying to accomplish with art of any
kind of TV show, whatever you want to call it.
You want to connect with people, right, So if you're
connecting with people, people are going to project onto you.
(08:02):
They're going to project their own feelings, their own experiences,
their own thoughts, all the things. So sometimes even if
it's a negative opinion, the fact that it's a strong opinion,
that's really what our job is. We are rewatching this episode.
(08:25):
This episode, Oh Come All Ye Faithful was directed by
Matthew Harrison, who I also literally have no memory of.
It's so interesting a lot of these directors. I just
don't know. If I was just in like a no
sleep induced hae. Probably yeah, I mean I don't remember
at all, except I do think that this guy and
I have to talk to Sir Jessica to find out.
I think he was the one who we sometimes still
(08:46):
quote because they shoot at the Limelight. Did you realize
that's what the club is that they go to in
the sad So? Do you remember the Limelight? It's still there.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I probably wasn't cool. I mean, yeah, no, I would
have been nineteen getting into anywhere there.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Was already sober, so I wasn't going, but I would
walk by it. I had an apartment in Gramercy Park,
not sheic like carries in her current apartment, and I
had a restaurant job in Chelsea, so I would walk
by it every night in my twenties, and I thought
it was very cool. But since I was sober, I
knew I should not go in there, and I did
not go in there. But they filmed there, which was
(09:21):
also very cool, and I went there even though I
wasn't in the scene. But he was the one who
he would shout like, you're at the hottest club in
town dance. Sometimes in the middle of the night if
were shooting, We're like, you're at the hottest club in
town dance.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
It is so quoted, but I think this is when
I asked the first one question that you don't have
to answer. It's interesting to me that you're sober and
a lot of your show was all about the cosmopolitics. Yeah,
it was to curious, like if that was hard, it
wasn't hard in the moment of it, right, because obviously
you're not drinking and sometimes I had to play drunk.
And that wasn't hard either, know what I mean, Like
(09:57):
I it was, I was already over.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
The hump of it. You know, it's really hard when
you become sober. But I tried to get sober all
through college. I started drinking early. I started trying to
quit early, and luckily it took I would say, five
years for me to quit because I was so young
and no one around me was sober obviously, you know,
in the eighties in college, not sober people. But eventually
(10:19):
I did, with the help of a therapist that I
saw like three times a week. I want to say
thank you. And then I just had I had a
boyfriend when I got out of college who was also sober,
so that really helped solidify, you know, like getting incredible support.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Congratulations, I mean so amazing.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Thank you. So by the time we got to Sex
and the City, which was I was past thirty. So
I and I'd been doing yoga every day. I was
thought thinking about being a yoga instructure. I had created
a life that was about kind of health and recovery
and emotional mental health and all of that. So it
was pretty solidly sober by them thank goodness. And it
was more fun for me to think.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
About being them, like yeah, yeah, you could lead when
we were cool like that.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I was from South Carolina. I wore wild well corduroy
in college. Like they were all like, what is with
your style? You know, like I was not cool at all,
so very much, but it is. It is interesting because
you do have those crossover moments. It's not hard to
act drinking, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
No, I just I was so curious because it became.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
It's a thing, you know that.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
For your show.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Have you been asked that before?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Not in that way. I wouldn't talk about it if
I didn't want to talk about it. I mean, it's
part of my life, and it is an interesting thing
as an actor because you have to navigate you know,
your own stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah yeah, yeah I can't.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah, and it's it's it was just it became a
big part of it. I just remember thinking, like the shoes.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
The shoes became a big part of it, and the cosmos.
It was really odd. That moment in time was really
odd where we were kind of like, did we lose
control of what the narrative is at this point? Because
this is not our intention, you.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Know, yeah, no, no, no, no, I I I. By the way,
I think that's so incredible.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Thank you. So guess who wrote this one? Michael Patrick King.
And when I watched back, I see so many Michael
Patrick King themes, like the end, which we will get to,
which I loved. I love the end so much so.
It also stars the incredible John Benjamin Hickey as the
Catholic guy Thomas John Anderson. Get it, John Benjamin Hickey,
(12:22):
Thomas John Anderson. We already knew Hickey by this point.
I think Cynthia and Hickey had already worked together. They
ended up also working together later on The Sea Word,
which was a really interesting showy. She played his love interest,
I believe on The Sea Word for like an arc
was really good, really good. And marian Selda's as mister
(12:42):
Bigg's mother, which they call Missus Big, which is hysterical.
That's why I think I got confused about mother versus missus.
I know it's really funny. Okay, So we start with
John Benjamin Hickey playing a playwright. He has a writer
and a director also.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Aways over they tell us that Miranda is dating I
keep in coming play right, I remember at the end
they say that this is now.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, I think he puts on a show exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It's in his show, which is so perfect and great.
And also I want to say Cynthia got all the
amazing not all, but so many amazing theater actors, because
she obviously is a very very prolific theater actress. And
you know, Hickey, that was like a big deal to
have Hickey and so much fun and he's he was great.
We're also young. He's so incredibly good. He's so good,
(13:31):
and sometimes those guest stars, it can be hard to
be good.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
You know, yeah, no, no, no no, But this is
why I'm saying about our show. I mean, the people
we cast are just I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
It's sure.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
They keep me on my toes.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
It's amazing. Absolutely, that's the best. I mean, Hickey definitely
will keep you on your toes like Hickey. Hickey's like
for real, like for real. And the two of them
are so good together. It's so funny. It's so funny
to watch them. I obviously had not seen this in
so long. Ah, And I mean my first thought is like,
we're all so young, you know, once they get over
that we're also young, our little baby faces. Then I'm like,
(14:00):
Hicky's so funny, yeah, because they're so close on his face,
the sweat, the sweat is coming. He's so good, right,
I know, it's really funny and good. So basically his character.
They're having sex always in the same position, which I
also think was a choice, like his very missionary sex
for Miranda, right, and he's saying oh God, which is
(14:23):
also connected.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Right, like you're connecting the right.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
So he's saying, oh God, oh God, oh God. And
then he comes and then he immediately like two seconds
of hugging, gets up and goes to take a shower.
That's the gist of the storyline. And Miranda is kind
of left there like, huh, you know, on our own,
no cuddling. Really kind of sad, you know, but you know,
it's unclear how serious they are whatever. But apparently they're
having sex every night, which is also very There's so
(14:49):
many interesting things when I look back on it, like,
were we I don't think so like that prolific, you know,
I don't think so. I think that the characters were
you discussed this Kendas Bush now when she came on
and had a lot to say about this, as you
would think.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Okay, She's like, oh, yeah, we were having so.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Much sex in the nineties. I was like, were we?
Because I don't think I was probably obviously at work,
you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, kind of
inhibited whatever. But I mean she remembers it as being
quite frolicking compared to now, which I think is interesting.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I think that's something we have discussed too, Like really, yes, yes, yes,
but I did see another I study out recently that
said that the reason that the newer generations are Gen
Z and everyone is having less sex is because they're
not leaving their house.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Oh that's sad. That's just what Kendis said. Also, oh
really yeah she did. It was so But this is
where I don't understand. It is crazy and it's not
good for humanity and scary for the kids, right because
I've got a thirteen year old and you know, she
doesn't have the social media. She has a phone, but
she doesn't have the social media. That's tough. I know,
thank you, Yes, it's tough. I'm a tough mom. But
(15:58):
the thing that I am fused about, okay, because I'm
not on the dating apps. I've never been on the
dating apps. I don't fully understand the dating apps. Weren't
they supposed to help everyone who's on the phone to
meet people.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yes, but what we're missing is the sex and the
city you meet cutes.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I know in the bar.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I know we're missing the spice.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
So it doesn't it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Also, there's none of that, like, it doesn't translate. And
I think that that whole tease of like do I
like you, I don't know. As soon as you swipe
on someone, you're giving hand and you're showing your car.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Is that how it works?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yeah, you have to say, like obviously if you swipe
on them, you're interested, Okay, So I think it's missing
that like.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Uncertain people like, yeah, it's not playful to swipe on
someone no, because.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
You're basically like checking them already off the bat.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And then okay, I don't know, and they know this,
they know it.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
That's weird. That's so weird, right, I don't really understand it,
like so much. Because Kendace said she's on Briah apparently okay,
and she's like, nothing ever works out from Rayah And
I'm like, why not? And she said, because everyone's so busy.
And then a younger friend, a guy friend, showed me
his Riyah. It was a lot of girls with a
(17:13):
lot of very much clothing on. Oh really, yeah, I was.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Like, whoa, I would have no Thank god I'm married.
I would have no game on those dating apps. I
don't even understand five thousand dogs.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Oh hey, that's very attractive. Anyone who doesn't think that's
attractive is messed up. Okay, in a turtleneck. But you know, like,
I don't know, you wouldn't play to the same group
that this, this, these scantily clad girls were. But I
don't think you'd want to do, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
No, But I don't know if anyone was. I think
someone would this is my name, like, I don't like,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I wouldn't they be Like, shouldn't the other people be
on there too? I don't know what's happening anyway, it's
very confused.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
It's okay, We're off.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
It's really fun. Okay, so we're back to the swinging,
swinging nineties, where Miranda's having sex every night with the
Catholic guy and he's showering, which is super interesting. Then
she very adorably walks down the street with Carrie and
she says to her something like I must have found
the last religious guy in New York City, which is
(18:13):
really funny and like kind of so true, Like you
don't really hear people say like their religion out out
like right away, do you know what I mean? Sure?
Like it's interesting, right, And then she says that Catholic
people should have to wear a sign so that you know.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Which is still laugh I'm Catholic. I did laugh at that.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Oh wow, that's funny. I'm glad you laugh because I
was like, I'm not sure if that would be acceptable
to say, now, do you know what I mean? I
don't know. No, I mean, okay, good, I'm glad you
thought it was funny. Good, You're good, good, good, Okay.
So then she says that he's a rational and logical
guy except for the religion. So she is not down
with religion. Miranda is not not religious, not cool with religion.
(18:52):
It's kind of interesting. It brings up this whole theme.
The theme is about our relationships the religion of the nineties.
That's what Carrie says her question of the episode, which
I was like, wow, was good. I don't remember this.
It's fascinating, very fascinating because really that's still true, don't
you think like people, I don't know if relationships are,
(19:14):
but like you definitely that's.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I would have to think on that, Like what's the
religion of now?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, what is the religion of now? No, I don't
know either. I think the religion of now might be
like just trying to exist.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
You don't.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I mean, I can't tell you that's like so depressing
or not?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I know.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I mean, like, for instance, I got this question that
I'm going to answer later on Q and A from
I assume a younger person saying, you know, do you
think that the depiction of single women in New York
City is accurate or was accurate? Which you know, obviously
not really like it was a kind of upper echelon
group of women, right, And then they said something like,
(19:54):
for instance, the fact that they don't have roommates, which
is a very real, real issue now like how to
fine and I also have many roommates. You know what
I'm saying. Whether that was comfortable or not comfortable, it
was just a necessity. But that's not really who we
were portraying. We were portraying a little group, like Candace
was telling me at one point when she was writing
(20:15):
the column before the book was published. She was living
in a doorman building. Like that's how well she was
doing obviously a different time, right, like that's the different time.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, it wouldn't be. There was no doorman anywhere, No,
exactly neither.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
But it was an upper echelon of But that's what Yeah,
that's what the sure was, right of Like watching it,
I was living vicariously through you guys, right, it was aspirational, yes, yes,
And I mean we were never trying to be regular,
like who runs around the city, didn't want right, right, right,
But I mean I just think it's important to say that. Okay, yeah,
(20:48):
you know, like we weren't. I don't think we were
making an effort to just be regular, no, right, yeah, yeah,
just just wanted to say that. Okay, so we're back.
We're back now. So Carrie, that's her. She's now going
(21:11):
to investigate religion, which is super fascinating. This is why
she goes to the cutest little corner to look at
that cute, cute, cute church. Some of the churches in
New York are so beautiful, so so beautiful, and she's
saying that everyone's very fashionable, and she names some fashion designers,
which is kind of funny. I think she literally says escata,
which is so adorably nineties, right eighties and nineties. And
(21:34):
then she sees mister big AND's mom and she's shocked, obviously,
And of course Pig's mother is so beautiful and statuesque,
and he's so kind of doting on her, which I
also find really interesting and I think that's attractive to carry.
Though she doesn't say it, though, it is kind of
could be its own episode, right of like is that
a good thing or a bad thing? Yes, you know
what I mean. Yeah, So she's all shocked, and then
(21:56):
they have the crazy, crazy conversation on the corner and
basically Big comes over, he puts his cab, his mom
in the cab. He comes over and he says, yeah,
I take my mom to church every Sunday. And she's like, oh,
why didn't I know that? And he says, well, you
write on Sundays, so I just you know, that's what
I do. That's our Sunday thing. And she's like, well,
you know, I would love to go to church, and
(22:18):
you know, we've never talked about it or whatever, and
he says something like, oh, that's just my thing I
do with my mom, you know, and he's kind of
his evasive self, and she has all the feelings go
across her face and say she said yes, But I
love that. I love it.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I love it as a viewer because it lets us know.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
But as a girlfriend, yeah, I like for me, I
love it because a she's just so complex in a way,
right because like like you can see the thoughts literally cross,
like you shor what I'm saying, like literally, which is
not easy to do as an actor, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
No, it's phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Yeah, and there's this phenomenal but because he's giving so little,
I want her to give a little.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Well, she does back up.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Do you remember in that scene she's kind of you know,
she's looking at him in that way that she does,
and then she kind of totally she's like okay, because
he's like, let's go get a cup of coffee. But true,
that's true, right, Yes, I think that's her realizing I've
got to pull back. And that's the other thing that
I think about their relationship, even from like maybe the
(23:25):
first or second episode where they have all those run
ins but they don't go on a date and then
they're standing at the front in the back of a
park to meet. It's like all they're kind of like
cross signals. And then she sees him on the street
and she leans over and does his crossword puzzle word.
She tells him what it is, and then she walks away.
But she does have some game, as you would say, she.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Definitely has game, right, but it's and I think she
has more game with other people.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Something is disarming for her.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
About Big, right, But that's that's that's life exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
And also I'm her best friend and you want to protect.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Her absolutely absolutely. Oh I agree. Well, well, I'm just
my feeling is I'm mad at Big I'm mad at Big. Oh,
I'm mad at Big al because look at her face.
Just give her what she wants. Yeah, give her what
she wants always, my god, I know, I know. And
he definitely doesn't deserve her. And I'm so happy what
happens in this episode. But we're not there yet, so
(24:22):
let's keep going. So then they go to the they
and I'm there. I'm at a bar with them, which
is cool. Yeah, And of course, I say, a man
who cares about his mother makes a wonderful husband. This
is when I really start with the husband's stuff. Okay,
next season. Oh my god, It's literally all I talk
about for a very long time, and this is the
(24:42):
seed of it. This episode I had some flashbacks of that.
I mean, because I don't personally share this with Charlotte, right,
So I had to do some acting.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
All right, Well, then you are fantastic because it's a
big part of her.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I know, I had to do so many substitutions and things.
But also I'd grown up in the South surrounded by this,
you know, surrounded by this culturally. Right, thank you, thank
you so much. Sometimes not yet. It wasn't that hard
this time, but later on when I give it those
long speeches that would be like a whole page. Yeah,
I mean, just like Baba about getting married. Oh wow,
(25:19):
I would dread those days. Oh wow. I'd just be like,
can I do it? How am I going to make
it interesting? What am I going to do? How? What
am I going to plug in on that day?
Speaker 3 (25:27):
That's got to make it feel for so many people.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I had to just go make it it was. I
think the thing that was hard for me was the didacticness,
or however I should say that word of it, Like
the very laser focus of Charlotte, which I love that
about her, that she was that way, and I love
what happened, which was that it didn't look how she
thought it would. It didn't pan out, thank god, right,
(25:54):
and she got the pie in the face in many
different ways and all of that, Thank God. It's hard
to play a character like that, you know, you really
have to focus on how to make it believable and
grounded in some way. But anyway, we're not quite there yet.
Now I'm just like, well, he'd make a great husband.
And then I end up going to a psychic to
try to get someone to tell me that I will
in fact get what I want, which no one does,
(26:16):
but I love it. It's all good. So we're there. Oh, oh,
have you ever been to a psychic? Oh? Yeah, oh
you have, have you not?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I haven't been to a terror cart. No, I've never
been to a psychic. Really. Oh, I don't know if
I would want to know.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
They don't really tell you really. Okay. One time I
went to the Apple store in Santa Monica. Have you
ever been to that one? Of course? Oh, it's way busy, right,
And this is one of those days where I had
an appointment, but I mean it was wall the wall
people pre COVID, and like there was a girl there
with a basket with a cat in it. Like it
was so lah they run her cat tackle, right, it
(26:55):
was bizarre, not at least or anything in a basket.
So I'm like, wow, it's like a shoe. So I'm
sitting waiting for my appointment and there's this woman across
from me and she's got some tarot cards out. She
looks at me. I'm like, oh god. She goes, I'm
going to do your cards and I'm like, okay, she doesn't.
It was very positive, but I mean, what a random
la thing. Right, You're at the Apple store waiting and
(27:18):
I don't think she recognized me. I could be wrong.
I don't know. She didn't say anything, but like it
was very I remember it being like I feel like, okay, okay, okay,
so good, it's good. We're okay, you know what I mean. Like, yeah,
he was a positive thing. But lady at at the
Apple store, I don't know, but that was positive. So
whatever had happened between those probably twenty years, yes, because
(27:39):
one was in my twenties. One I was probably in
my forties maybe my fifties. I don't have no idea,
but you know, so I'm open to that stuff, but
I wouldn't hang my hat on it, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I don't know the only time that that's happened to
me sort of in that way is I was going
into Michael's because I live in Michaels basically I love I.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Love a crafting.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Oh yeah, And I was walking in and this girl
stop me and she goes, hey, You're you're gonna find
the one soon and you're gonna get married. And I
was like, oh my god. And then my husband got
out of the car and I was like, I'm going
to find the one soon. I don't know if it's
I don't know if it's you, but I'm getting married.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
That's really excellent. That's really really good. I mean, that's
really good.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
And it kept my husband on his toes because one
could have been somewhere. And it's funny that you say that,
because there is a conversation in this episode about the one.
Carrie really desperately wants Big to.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Tell her that she's right the one, and this carries
through for literally our entire show and movies. So what
do you think of that?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Well, it's funny because when I stopped.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
The episode, it flipped to a.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Scene, you know how like an auto plays a scene
from the future, and it was it was him, maybe
an engagement party to the new girl.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
And she says, can you tell me why it wasn't me?
And I think she's asking too many questions because I
think you know the answer.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
What is the answer?
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I don't know the answer, but I think Carrie, no,
But I think you know, maybe not why you aren't
the one. But I think you can tell when someone's
one foot in and one foot out, which is to
me what Big was for so long.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
I guess you're right. But then if you really want
to talk about was she the one? She is the one.
Whether he could be with that or not be with
that would be see. But this is why I did
never think about him.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
It is so hard for me because I'm such a
fan of the show, so I feel like, yes, she
ended up being his one, Yes, but I don't know
if he was nut He's enough for anyone?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
You're saying that he shouldn't have been her one? You
can really? Can you control this?
Speaker 3 (30:05):
No? You can't.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Then do you believe in the one? Is my question?
I do you do?
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I think you can have the one more than once,
though I think the one as a number is wrong.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Got it, got it, got it, got it?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
But I feel like there is the one in this
period of time, Yes, got it? You have that in
your in your period of time, in your life, there's
the one, and then there can be another one.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Good because I just definitely feel that. I feel like
there's different people that bring different things to you, you know,
and it might be about the time of course your life,
or it might be about what you need at that point,
or it might be about what you're ready for at
that point.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Because people's partners can pass away and then they can
find love again. So obviously that has to mean that
there's more than one person.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I just don't.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I didn't want Big to be the.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
One for Carrie's getting it, got it, got it. But
you also weren't teammate in I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
I don't know if she's found the guy.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Oh well, that's good, that's good for our new season.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah again, just like that.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, yeah. And the thing that I love about Carrie
is that even though she definitely at this point back
in first season, she does have this need to be
chosen by by Big, Yes, and I think the reason
that she seems to have the need to be chosen
by Big though, I would love to hear Sir Jessica's
thoughts on this, because I never we never talked about it.
(31:24):
I mean this stuff, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
I mean because also it's fictional, right, but you know,
like you're just in it, trying to do it. Yeah,
but like you know, there's an episode early on where
Justin Threw plays this writer who's kind of awful. All
them are kind of awful, right, but like she just
toys with them. She just like, yeah, like little kittens
or whatever. She's like always cute. Yeah, you know, she
(31:44):
just flicks them away, DoD I mean Big for whatever reason,
because yes, yes, definitely yes. So so to me that
is interesting and I do feel like it does seem
true in life that sometimes we chase what is unobtainable,
and I think that's true for men and women, not
(32:05):
just for women.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
I also think the great loves of all of the characters'
lives of each other, right, Like, isn't that sort of
the story?
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I do think. I mean, they have that great scene
later on where I say, couldn't we all just be
each other's soulmates? And I do think that that's I
feel like that absolutely true. But I also feel it's
also this thing that Michael Patrick talks about, which is
your own relationship with yourself, like that you wouldn't need
someone else to say I choose you. Yes, yes, I agree, yeah,
(32:33):
and that that's the ultimate The ultimate relationship is your
relationship of course, which obviously this is the very very
beginnings of our characters, right, and so we're not that evolved.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Into it happened, right.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
But it's super interesting to watch her in this because
so she we're gonna rewatch more. It's funny to talk
about the big topics, right, That's why I did the
podcast talk.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
About the polarized by Big and Carrie as I am,
yes they are, okay, Yeah, so this is very I
released this trailer and people were like team Maiden, and
then other people were like, get better work out with it.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
And then other people were like not more Aidan, and
then other people were like, we're still mad at what
you did to Big. I mean people still have a
lot of feelings. Yes, all right, So we are gonna
make another podcast of Camilla and I recapping Oh come
on ye Faithful this season one finale, so checkw I
can later this week. Hi everybody,
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
you a Charlotte? Hi? Hi everybody, we are back here.
We are Canille Levington and I recapping the finale of
season one. Oh come on, ye faithful, let's jump back in.
All right, let's read. Uh this is tun We are
(00:23):
at this really really fascinating and important episode. And I
do remember people would come up to me and say, like,
you know, people sometimes just talk about their favorite episodes,
and people would say like, oh, I love Oh, come
on you Faithful, and I'd be like, really, because to me,
the whole first season was a wash. I don't really
remember that much of it. Okay, yeah, it was a lot.
We filmed the whole first season in three months. It
(00:44):
was new Yeah, fast, fast, fast. That's kind of Gorilla
TV making, you know, it's just like bam bam, bam,
bam bam. You know.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
I wasn't really in some ways. I I obviously would
read the scripts and was around and all, like often
we'd cross board locations, right, so maybe Sarah would be
doing a scene with mister Big and we'd be waiting
to do, you know, a group scene or whatever. So
I was around for a lot of it, but I
wasn't really tuned into the level of work that she
(01:15):
was doing. Like I'm completely wowed every time i look
back at these episodes, and partly I'm wowed because like,
mister Big is not worth this effort, Like I've said
this your times, but I'm like, I agree, Okay, thank you,
because but I always have Now, did you.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Okay, explain I've never been a fan, got it? So
I wasn't a super fan of Aiden either.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I just I just wasn't.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Do you think good? He No, I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I know, I don't think that at all. I just
think that, oh my god, I'm going to say something
that's so controversy.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Do it?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Do it?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I think she's bad taste of men.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
It's okay, it's okay, some of us have bad taste
in men. Okay, listen, it's the truth.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I don't get Big. Okay, we'll get into it because
I have a lot of opinions about this episode.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Tell me help me, because I mean through the live
really now, looking back, I also have a lot of opinions,
and I didn't at the time. I just accepted it
as normal because I think that I also experienced many
of these things, do you know?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, yeah, I mean there was definitely.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I mean, isn't there a time where where we all
have bad taste in men? I think what bothers me
about Carrie is that like she hang on hung onto
a man that was like, obviously just I don't understand
what the appeal was.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Me neither when I look back at the time, I
completely did right. And even when I'm watching this episode,
which we're out of order now, but I'm just gonna say,
because this out sure, you know, Okay, So this is
the episode where Carrie is doing some research about religion,
and so she goes and she's standing on this very
picturesque summer New York City street corner and she happens
(03:09):
to see she's looking at a church. She happens to
see Big walk out with his very beautiful mother. Good lord, Yeah,
marian Seldy's an incredible actress. And she's like, oh my god,
Big in his mother. It's almost like she didn't realize
that he had a mother, you know, so interesting, and
then she walks over. They chat, they have a weird
(03:29):
conversation like that's also part of what is amazing to me,
is like, like their dynamic is very fascinating, and I
think a lot of it is because they're really good
actors also, right, So like there's so many layers, yes,
like her face and all the things that she's knowing,
Like I mean, okay, I'm gonna get canceled. You're You're
(03:50):
not gonna get canceled.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Carrie has no poker face, and it drives me crazy,
So I are you kidding? I love you, Sarah. First off,
to the camera, I love Carrie doesn't have a poker face.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
That's true. That's and someone who also doesn't, So I
totally know what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Well, and I also think that that was indeed listen.
That's why.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Also to her credit, we loved the show because I
could tell. I can tell on every moment what she's thinking.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
I know.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
I feel like viewers felt like they were girlfriends with you, right,
So I'm like, no, no, her feelings are hurt. But
as a girlfriend, I'm also like, don't show him that face.
I know he's so unavailable, Like, don't look so hurt. Like,
I know she's so vulnerable. That's why I was sucked
into the show. But as a girlfriend of hers, which
(04:39):
I felt like I was a girlfriend of all of you.
I was like, you don't give him that.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I know. See I needed you in my life. I know,
I know. See I'm not show it's hard well because
it's also interesting because also, as I was saying at
the time, it never entered my mind, I was Team Big,
as was Charlotte. Now is it possibly because Charlotte was
(05:06):
Team Big that I never really considered it, right because
you know, we have playing a character. I don't realize
it's like fully seeped into you. But like I never
looked at it like harshly, like hey, should I be
Team Big? Never entered my mind. I just was Team Big, right,
Like I never I look back and I'm looking at
him and his dynamic and how aloof he is and
(05:29):
how hard she tries and how he's breadcrumbing to use
a modern term, right, but we didn't have that term. Yeah,
And she's just everything. She's just trying so hard and
she doesn't have you. She's so fantastic, And I'm like, gosh,
some of us should have said that to her. And
I feel like Miranda tries a little bit, but not
fully like you're saying, but like she somewhat tries to say,
(05:52):
you know, maybe he's just not that great. I don't
know what she says at some point, well, you're an optimist.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Too, You're the optimist on the show, so you're you're
gonna be like, yay, this is no.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
I don't question. I don't question.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
This is why I'm a little Miranda. I'm a little like, no.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, I know, I know. But when she so, then
she goes back. So she she kind of basically says
to him like, I'd love to go to church with
you and your mom. And he's like, oh no, it's
just this private thing that I do with my mom.
And then she and Miranda end up going to church
and they're up in the balcony and they spy on them.
I know, and I remember this, and I'm so uncomfortable
looking at them in those hats, right, But when she's
(06:28):
looking down, I know, there's they stand out so much.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
You're trying to go.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
In with me, and they look so m right, color right,
colored straw has. I know it's not conspying at all.
But then she looks down at him and she goes
there he was the voiceover there. He was so tall
and handsome, and I'm like, yeah, like I'm kind of
with her on it still, And then I'm like, but no,
he's very withholding.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I just think that Sarah is so and carried too
with that, she's so we'regeous that I'm like, whatever, yeah,
and anybody else a little bit, with any guy a
little bit. Maybe I'm realizing this.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Moment, maybe I don't think anyone's good enough for her, But.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I just I'm not impressed with him. With him, I'm
not impressed by him.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
No, I'm not impressed.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
I know. I know it's a hard thing to look
back on and think it is because I also feel he.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Doesn't give him much at all.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
No, and I'm so glad. Anyway, let's get back before
you give everything away, so we're going to actually rewatch
you guys. It's hard. It's hard because there's some big themes.
Look there, you are, You're very adorable. You're not canceled.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
We're just saying, I'm finn, I'm calling it what it is.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
You're not alone. People have a lot of very strong
feelings about Carrie, and I think they have a lot
of very strong feelings about all of us. Let's be
honest and some of them are not always nice, but
it's okay because to me I have to remember, like you,
what are you trying to accomplish with art of any
kind of TV show, whatever you want to call it.
You want to connect with people, right, So if you're
connecting with people, people are going to project onto you.
(08:02):
They're going to project their own feelings, their own experiences,
their own thoughts, all the things. So sometimes even if
it's a negative opinion, the fact that it's a strong opinion,
that's really what our job is. We are rewatching this episode.
(08:25):
This episode, Oh Come All Ye Faithful was directed by
Matthew Harrison, who I also literally have no memory of.
It's so interesting a lot of these directors. I just
don't know. If I was just in like a no
sleep induced hae. Probably yeah, I mean I don't remember
at all, except I do think that this guy and
I have to talk to Sir Jessica to find out.
I think he was the one who we sometimes still
(08:46):
quote because they shoot at the Limelight. Did you realize
that's what the club is that they go to in
the sad So? Do you remember the Limelight? It's still there.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I probably wasn't cool. I mean, yeah, no, I would
have been nineteen getting into anywhere there.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Was already sober, so I wasn't going, but I would
walk by it. I had an apartment in Gramercy Park,
not sheic like carries in her current apartment, and I
had a restaurant job in Chelsea, so I would walk
by it every night in my twenties, and I thought
it was very cool. But since I was sober, I
knew I should not go in there, and I did
not go in there. But they filmed there, which was
(09:21):
also very cool, and I went there even though I
wasn't in the scene. But he was the one who
he would shout like, you're at the hottest club in
town dance. Sometimes in the middle of the night if
were shooting, We're like, you're at the hottest club in
town dance.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
It is so quoted, but I think this is when
I asked the first one question that you don't have
to answer. It's interesting to me that you're sober and
a lot of your show was all about the cosmopolitics. Yeah,
it was to curious, like if that was hard, it
wasn't hard in the moment of it, right, because obviously
you're not drinking and sometimes I had to play drunk.
And that wasn't hard either, know what I mean, Like
(09:57):
I it was, I was already over.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
The hump of it. You know, it's really hard when
you become sober. But I tried to get sober all
through college. I started drinking early. I started trying to
quit early, and luckily it took I would say, five
years for me to quit because I was so young
and no one around me was sober obviously, you know,
in the eighties in college, not sober people. But eventually
(10:19):
I did, with the help of a therapist that I
saw like three times a week. I want to say
thank you. And then I just had I had a
boyfriend when I got out of college who was also sober,
so that really helped solidify, you know, like getting incredible support.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Congratulations, I mean so amazing.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Thank you. So by the time we got to Sex
and the City, which was I was past thirty. So
I and I'd been doing yoga every day. I was
thought thinking about being a yoga instructure. I had created
a life that was about kind of health and recovery
and emotional mental health and all of that. So it
was pretty solidly sober by them thank goodness. And it
was more fun for me to think.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
About being them, like yeah, yeah, you could lead when
we were cool like that.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I was from South Carolina. I wore wild well corduroy
in college. Like they were all like, what is with
your style? You know, like I was not cool at all,
so very much, but it is. It is interesting because
you do have those crossover moments. It's not hard to
act drinking, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
No, I just I was so curious because it became.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
It's a thing, you know that.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
For your show.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Have you been asked that before?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Not in that way. I wouldn't talk about it if
I didn't want to talk about it. I mean, it's
part of my life, and it is an interesting thing
as an actor because you have to navigate you know,
your own stuff.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Yeah yeah, yeah I can't.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah, and it's it's it was just it became a
big part of it. I just remember thinking, like the shoes.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
The shoes became a big part of it, and the cosmos.
It was really odd. That moment in time was really
odd where we were kind of like, did we lose
control of what the narrative is at this point? Because
this is not our intention, you.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Know, yeah, no, no, no, no, I I I. By the way,
I think that's so incredible.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Thank you. So guess who wrote this one? Michael Patrick King.
And when I watched back, I see so many Michael
Patrick King themes, like the end, which we will get to,
which I loved. I love the end so much so.
It also stars the incredible John Benjamin Hickey as the
Catholic guy Thomas John Anderson. Get it, John Benjamin Hickey,
(12:22):
Thomas John Anderson. We already knew Hickey by this point.
I think Cynthia and Hickey had already worked together. They
ended up also working together later on The Sea Word,
which was a really interesting showy. She played his love interest,
I believe on The Sea Word for like an arc
was really good, really good. And marian Selda's as mister
(12:42):
Bigg's mother, which they call Missus Big, which is hysterical.
That's why I think I got confused about mother versus missus.
I know it's really funny. Okay, So we start with
John Benjamin Hickey playing a playwright. He has a writer
and a director also.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Aways over they tell us that Miranda is dating I
keep in coming play right, I remember at the end
they say that this is now.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah, I think he puts on a show exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
It's in his show, which is so perfect and great.
And also I want to say Cynthia got all the
amazing not all, but so many amazing theater actors, because
she obviously is a very very prolific theater actress. And
you know, Hickey, that was like a big deal to
have Hickey and so much fun and he's he was great.
We're also young. He's so incredibly good. He's so good,
(13:31):
and sometimes those guest stars, it can be hard to
be good.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
You know, yeah, no, no, no no, But this is
why I'm saying about our show. I mean, the people
we cast are just I mean.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
It's sure.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
They keep me on my toes.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
It's amazing. Absolutely, that's the best. I mean, Hickey definitely
will keep you on your toes like Hickey. Hickey's like
for real, like for real. And the two of them
are so good together. It's so funny. It's so funny
to watch them. I obviously had not seen this in
so long. Ah, And I mean my first thought is like,
we're all so young, you know, once they get over
that we're also young, our little baby faces. Then I'm like,
(14:00):
Hicky's so funny, yeah, because they're so close on his face,
the sweat, the sweat is coming. He's so good, right,
I know, it's really funny and good. So basically his character.
They're having sex always in the same position, which I
also think was a choice, like his very missionary sex
for Miranda, right, and he's saying oh God, which is
(14:23):
also connected.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Right, like you're connecting the right.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
So he's saying, oh God, oh God, oh God. And
then he comes and then he immediately like two seconds
of hugging, gets up and goes to take a shower.
That's the gist of the storyline. And Miranda is kind
of left there like, huh, you know, on our own,
no cuddling. Really kind of sad, you know, but you know,
it's unclear how serious they are whatever. But apparently they're
having sex every night, which is also very There's so
(14:49):
many interesting things when I look back on it, like,
were we I don't think so like that prolific, you know,
I don't think so. I think that the characters were
you discussed this Kendas Bush now when she came on
and had a lot to say about this, as you
would think.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Okay, She's like, oh, yeah, we were having so.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Much sex in the nineties. I was like, were we?
Because I don't think I was probably obviously at work,
you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, kind of
inhibited whatever. But I mean she remembers it as being
quite frolicking compared to now, which I think is interesting.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I think that's something we have discussed too, Like really, yes, yes, yes,
but I did see another I study out recently that
said that the reason that the newer generations are Gen
Z and everyone is having less sex is because they're
not leaving their house.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Oh that's sad. That's just what Kendis said. Also, oh
really yeah she did. It was so But this is
where I don't understand. It is crazy and it's not
good for humanity and scary for the kids, right because
I've got a thirteen year old and you know, she
doesn't have the social media. She has a phone, but
she doesn't have the social media. That's tough. I know,
thank you, Yes, it's tough. I'm a tough mom. But
(15:58):
the thing that I am fused about, okay, because I'm
not on the dating apps. I've never been on the
dating apps. I don't fully understand the dating apps. Weren't
they supposed to help everyone who's on the phone to
meet people.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yes, but what we're missing is the sex and the
city you meet cutes.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I know in the bar.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
I know we're missing the spice.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
So it doesn't it doesn't.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Also, there's none of that, like, it doesn't translate. And
I think that that whole tease of like do I
like you, I don't know. As soon as you swipe
on someone, you're giving hand and you're showing your car.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Is that how it works?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yeah, you have to say, like obviously if you swipe
on them, you're interested, Okay, So I think it's missing
that like.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Uncertain people like, yeah, it's not playful to swipe on
someone no, because.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
You're basically like checking them already off the bat.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And then okay, I don't know, and they know this,
they know it.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
That's weird. That's so weird, right, I don't really understand it,
like so much. Because Kendace said she's on Briah apparently okay,
and she's like, nothing ever works out from Rayah And
I'm like, why not? And she said, because everyone's so busy.
And then a younger friend, a guy friend, showed me
his Riyah. It was a lot of girls with a
(17:13):
lot of very much clothing on. Oh really, yeah, I was.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Like, whoa, I would have no Thank god I'm married.
I would have no game on those dating apps. I
don't even understand five thousand dogs.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Oh hey, that's very attractive. Anyone who doesn't think that's
attractive is messed up. Okay, in a turtleneck. But you know, like,
I don't know, you wouldn't play to the same group
that this, this, these scantily clad girls were. But I
don't think you'd want to do, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (17:40):
No, But I don't know if anyone was. I think
someone would this is my name, like, I don't like,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I wouldn't they be Like, shouldn't the other people be
on there too? I don't know what's happening anyway, it's
very confused.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
It's okay, We're off.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
It's really fun. Okay, so we're back to the swinging,
swinging nineties, where Miranda's having sex every night with the
Catholic guy and he's showering, which is super interesting. Then
she very adorably walks down the street with Carrie and
she says to her something like I must have found
the last religious guy in New York City, which is
(18:13):
really funny and like kind of so true, Like you
don't really hear people say like their religion out out
like right away, do you know what I mean? Sure?
Like it's interesting, right, And then she says that Catholic
people should have to wear a sign so that you know.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Which is still laugh I'm Catholic. I did laugh at that.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Oh wow, that's funny. I'm glad you laugh because I
was like, I'm not sure if that would be acceptable
to say, now, do you know what I mean? I
don't know. No, I mean, okay, good, I'm glad you
thought it was funny. Good, You're good, good, good, Okay.
So then she says that he's a rational and logical
guy except for the religion. So she is not down
with religion. Miranda is not not religious, not cool with religion.
(18:52):
It's kind of interesting. It brings up this whole theme.
The theme is about our relationships the religion of the nineties.
That's what Carrie says her question of the episode, which
I was like, wow, was good. I don't remember this.
It's fascinating, very fascinating because really that's still true, don't
you think like people, I don't know if relationships are,
(19:14):
but like you definitely that's.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I would have to think on that, Like what's the
religion of now?
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, what is the religion of now? No, I don't
know either. I think the religion of now might be
like just trying to exist.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
You don't.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
I mean, I can't tell you that's like so depressing
or not?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
I know.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I mean, like, for instance, I got this question that
I'm going to answer later on Q and A from
I assume a younger person saying, you know, do you
think that the depiction of single women in New York
City is accurate or was accurate? Which you know, obviously
not really like it was a kind of upper echelon
group of women, right, And then they said something like,
(19:54):
for instance, the fact that they don't have roommates, which
is a very real, real issue now like how to
fine and I also have many roommates. You know what
I'm saying. Whether that was comfortable or not comfortable, it
was just a necessity. But that's not really who we
were portraying. We were portraying a little group, like Candace
was telling me at one point when she was writing
(20:15):
the column before the book was published. She was living
in a doorman building. Like that's how well she was
doing obviously a different time, right, like that's the different time.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah, it wouldn't be. There was no doorman anywhere, No,
exactly neither.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
But it was an upper echelon of But that's what Yeah,
that's what the sure was, right of Like watching it,
I was living vicariously through you guys, right, it was aspirational, yes, yes,
And I mean we were never trying to be regular,
like who runs around the city, didn't want right, right, right,
But I mean I just think it's important to say that. Okay, yeah,
(20:48):
you know, like we weren't. I don't think we were
making an effort to just be regular, no, right, yeah, yeah,
just just wanted to say that. Okay, so we're back.
We're back now. So Carrie, that's her. She's now going
(21:11):
to investigate religion, which is super fascinating. This is why
she goes to the cutest little corner to look at
that cute, cute, cute church. Some of the churches in
New York are so beautiful, so so beautiful, and she's
saying that everyone's very fashionable, and she names some fashion designers,
which is kind of funny. I think she literally says escata,
which is so adorably nineties, right eighties and nineties. And
(21:34):
then she sees mister big AND's mom and she's shocked, obviously,
And of course Pig's mother is so beautiful and statuesque,
and he's so kind of doting on her, which I
also find really interesting and I think that's attractive to carry.
Though she doesn't say it, though, it is kind of
could be its own episode, right of like is that
a good thing or a bad thing? Yes, you know
what I mean. Yeah, So she's all shocked, and then
(21:56):
they have the crazy, crazy conversation on the corner and
basically Big comes over, he puts his cab, his mom
in the cab. He comes over and he says, yeah,
I take my mom to church every Sunday. And she's like, oh,
why didn't I know that? And he says, well, you
write on Sundays, so I just you know, that's what
I do. That's our Sunday thing. And she's like, well,
you know, I would love to go to church, and
(22:18):
you know, we've never talked about it or whatever, and
he says something like, oh, that's just my thing I
do with my mom, you know, and he's kind of
his evasive self, and she has all the feelings go
across her face and say she said yes, But I
love that. I love it.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I love it as a viewer because it lets us know.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
But as a girlfriend, yeah, I like for me, I
love it because a she's just so complex in a way,
right because like like you can see the thoughts literally cross,
like you shor what I'm saying, like literally, which is
not easy to do as an actor, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
No, it's phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Yeah, and there's this phenomenal but because he's giving so little,
I want her to give a little.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Well, she does back up.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Do you remember in that scene she's kind of you know,
she's looking at him in that way that she does,
and then she kind of totally she's like okay, because
he's like, let's go get a cup of coffee. But true,
that's true, right, Yes, I think that's her realizing I've
got to pull back. And that's the other thing that
I think about their relationship, even from like maybe the
(23:25):
first or second episode where they have all those run
ins but they don't go on a date and then
they're standing at the front in the back of a
park to meet. It's like all they're kind of like
cross signals. And then she sees him on the street
and she leans over and does his crossword puzzle word.
She tells him what it is, and then she walks away.
But she does have some game, as you would say, she.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
Definitely has game, right, but it's and I think she
has more game with other people.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Something is disarming for her.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
About Big, right, But that's that's that's life exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
And also I'm her best friend and you want to protect.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Her absolutely absolutely. Oh I agree. Well, well, I'm just
my feeling is I'm mad at Big I'm mad at Big. Oh,
I'm mad at Big al because look at her face.
Just give her what she wants. Yeah, give her what
she wants always, my god, I know, I know. And
he definitely doesn't deserve her. And I'm so happy what
happens in this episode. But we're not there yet, so
(24:22):
let's keep going. So then they go to the they
and I'm there. I'm at a bar with them, which
is cool. Yeah, And of course, I say, a man
who cares about his mother makes a wonderful husband. This
is when I really start with the husband's stuff. Okay,
next season. Oh my god, It's literally all I talk
about for a very long time, and this is the
(24:42):
seed of it. This episode I had some flashbacks of that.
I mean, because I don't personally share this with Charlotte, right,
So I had to do some acting.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
All right, Well, then you are fantastic because it's a
big part of her.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I know, I had to do so many substitutions and things.
But also I'd grown up in the South surrounded by this,
you know, surrounded by this culturally. Right, thank you, thank
you so much. Sometimes not yet. It wasn't that hard
this time, but later on when I give it those
long speeches that would be like a whole page. Yeah,
I mean, just like Baba about getting married. Oh wow,
(25:19):
I would dread those days. Oh wow. I'd just be like,
can I do it? How am I going to make
it interesting? What am I going to do? How? What
am I going to plug in on that day?
Speaker 3 (25:27):
That's got to make it feel for so many people.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I had to just go make it it was. I
think the thing that was hard for me was the didacticness,
or however I should say that word of it, Like
the very laser focus of Charlotte, which I love that
about her, that she was that way, and I love
what happened, which was that it didn't look how she
thought it would. It didn't pan out, thank god, right,
(25:54):
and she got the pie in the face in many
different ways and all of that, Thank God. It's hard
to play a character like that, you know, you really
have to focus on how to make it believable and
grounded in some way. But anyway, we're not quite there yet.
Now I'm just like, well, he'd make a great husband.
And then I end up going to a psychic to
try to get someone to tell me that I will
in fact get what I want, which no one does,
(26:16):
but I love it. It's all good. So we're there. Oh, oh,
have you ever been to a psychic? Oh? Yeah, oh
you have, have you not?
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I haven't been to a terror cart. No, I've never
been to a psychic. Really. Oh, I don't know if
I would want to know.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
They don't really tell you really. Okay. One time I
went to the Apple store in Santa Monica. Have you
ever been to that one? Of course? Oh, it's way busy, right,
And this is one of those days where I had
an appointment, but I mean it was wall the wall
people pre COVID, and like there was a girl there
with a basket with a cat in it. Like it
was so lah they run her cat tackle, right, it
(26:55):
was bizarre, not at least or anything in a basket.
So I'm like, wow, it's like a shoe. So I'm
sitting waiting for my appointment and there's this woman across
from me and she's got some tarot cards out. She
looks at me. I'm like, oh god. She goes, I'm
going to do your cards and I'm like, okay, she doesn't.
It was very positive, but I mean, what a random
la thing. Right, You're at the Apple store waiting and
(27:18):
I don't think she recognized me. I could be wrong.
I don't know. She didn't say anything, but like it
was very I remember it being like I feel like, okay, okay, okay,
so good, it's good. We're okay, you know what I mean. Like, yeah,
he was a positive thing. But lady at at the
Apple store, I don't know, but that was positive. So
whatever had happened between those probably twenty years, yes, because
(27:39):
one was in my twenties. One I was probably in
my forties maybe my fifties. I don't have no idea,
but you know, so I'm open to that stuff, but
I wouldn't hang my hat on it, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
I don't know the only time that that's happened to
me sort of in that way is I was going
into Michael's because I live in Michaels basically I love I.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Love a crafting.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Oh yeah, And I was walking in and this girl
stop me and she goes, hey, You're you're gonna find
the one soon and you're gonna get married. And I
was like, oh my god. And then my husband got
out of the car and I was like, I'm going
to find the one soon. I don't know if it's
I don't know if it's you, but I'm getting married.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
That's really excellent. That's really really good. I mean, that's
really good.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
And it kept my husband on his toes because one
could have been somewhere. And it's funny that you say that,
because there is a conversation in this episode about the one.
Carrie really desperately wants Big to.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Tell her that she's right the one, and this carries
through for literally our entire show and movies. So what
do you think of that?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Well, it's funny because when I stopped.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
The episode, it flipped to a.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Scene, you know how like an auto plays a scene
from the future, and it was it was him, maybe
an engagement party to the new girl.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
And she says, can you tell me why it wasn't me?
And I think she's asking too many questions because I
think you know the answer.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
What is the answer?
Speaker 3 (29:15):
I don't know the answer, but I think Carrie, no,
But I think you know, maybe not why you aren't
the one. But I think you can tell when someone's
one foot in and one foot out, which is to
me what Big was for so long.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
I guess you're right. But then if you really want
to talk about was she the one? She is the one.
Whether he could be with that or not be with
that would be see. But this is why I did
never think about him.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
It is so hard for me because I'm such a
fan of the show, so I feel like, yes, she
ended up being his one, Yes, but I don't know
if he was nut He's enough for anyone?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
You're saying that he shouldn't have been her one? You
can really? Can you control this?
Speaker 3 (30:05):
No? You can't.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Then do you believe in the one? Is my question?
I do you do?
Speaker 3 (30:12):
I think you can have the one more than once,
though I think the one as a number is wrong.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Got it, got it, got it, got it?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
But I feel like there is the one in this
period of time, Yes, got it? You have that in
your in your period of time, in your life, there's
the one, and then there can be another one.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Good because I just definitely feel that. I feel like
there's different people that bring different things to you, you know,
and it might be about the time of course your life,
or it might be about what you need at that point,
or it might be about what you're ready for at
that point.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Because people's partners can pass away and then they can
find love again. So obviously that has to mean that
there's more than one person.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I just don't.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I didn't want Big to be the.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
One for Carrie's getting it, got it, got it. But
you also weren't teammate in I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
I don't know if she's found the guy.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Oh well, that's good, that's good for our new season.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah again, just like that.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, yeah. And the thing that I love about Carrie
is that even though she definitely at this point back
in first season, she does have this need to be
chosen by by Big, Yes, and I think the reason
that she seems to have the need to be chosen
by Big though, I would love to hear Sir Jessica's
thoughts on this, because I never we never talked about it.
(31:24):
I mean this stuff, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
I mean because also it's fictional, right, but you know,
like you're just in it, trying to do it. Yeah,
but like you know, there's an episode early on where
Justin Threw plays this writer who's kind of awful. All
them are kind of awful, right, but like she just
toys with them. She just like, yeah, like little kittens
or whatever. She's like always cute. Yeah, you know, she
(31:44):
just flicks them away, DoD I mean Big for whatever reason,
because yes, yes, definitely yes. So so to me that
is interesting and I do feel like it does seem
true in life that sometimes we chase what is unobtainable,
and I think that's true for men and women, not
(32:05):
just for women.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
I also think the great loves of all of the characters'
lives of each other, right, Like, isn't that sort of
the story?
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I do think. I mean, they have that great scene
later on where I say, couldn't we all just be
each other's soulmates? And I do think that that's I
feel like that absolutely true. But I also feel it's
also this thing that Michael Patrick talks about, which is
your own relationship with yourself, like that you wouldn't need
someone else to say I choose you. Yes, yes, I agree, yeah,
(32:33):
and that that's the ultimate The ultimate relationship is your
relationship of course, which obviously this is the very very
beginnings of our characters, right, and so we're not that evolved.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Into it happened, right.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
But it's super interesting to watch her in this because
so she we're gonna rewatch more. It's funny to talk
about the big topics, right, That's why I did the
podcast talk.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
About the polarized by Big and Carrie as I am,
yes they are, okay, Yeah, so this is very I
released this trailer and people were like team Maiden, and
then other people were like, get better work out with it.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
And then other people were like not more Aidan, and
then other people were like, we're still mad at what
you did to Big. I mean people still have a
lot of feelings. Yes, all right, So we are gonna
make another podcast of Camilla and I recapping Oh come
on ye Faithful this season one finale, so checkw I
can later this week. Hi everybody,
Host
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