April 28, 2025 • 28 mins
It's the finale of season 1 and there is a BIG breakup! Grey's Anatomy star, Camilla Luddington, joins Kristin for multiple episodes to break down the breakup!
Camilla and Kristin have a connection on something they share and it's all about SEX in the city. Was Carrie going to the church a huge misstep? Should Samantha have overlooked the "small" issues? And can Charlotte really trust a psychic?
Plus, is Camilla a Charlotte? And are you??
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hello? Everyone, welcome to Are You a Charlotte?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Today we are discussing the finale of season one, which
I can't even believe that we're finally here to the
finale of season one. It's crazy, it's been it's been
such a rider already. So this is episode one twelve.
It is called okamal Ye, faithful, and I have the
incredible Camilla Ludington is here with us.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Very excited.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I've already met Camilla here in this very room. She
also has an iHeart podcast called call It What It Is,
which I've listened and I've been loving. Okay, I'm learning
so much with her friend Jessica Kapstaw, who also is here,
who was lovely, and they're both on Gray's Anatomy or work.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yes, she's not on nine one one Nashville. She just
announced yesterday she's the female leader of that show.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, amazing, good for her.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
They're so nice you guys, and have really fun podcast.
And also they're on Grades Anatomy and that's incredible. And
you have been a long time, which also kills me
because you're like such a baby.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Oh my god, I love that.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
You say that, but no, really, yes, come on, I
mean to look at your resume and all the things
you've done, and I would never think that you would
look like such a baby.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
But you've had quite the career. But you started at
five or something crazy I did. I started theater at five.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I knew I wanted to be an actress really young,
and nobody, also my family had ever done it before.
My mom thought I would become like a stage brat,
is how she put it back then. Oh no, yeah,
she was like absolutely not, you know. And so I
just started in theater.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
And then I went to school and I have a
cute story actually for you tell me, Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
So I did theater in England, and then I decided
that I didn't know how to what the medium for
acting in film was, like, it's so different, right to
stay so different? So I went to the New York
Film Academy Wow, and I studied there when I was
nineteen ten. And one day i'd never seen a TV
show film before. I was out on the street in
New York and Sex and the City was filming on
(02:08):
the street and I just stood there stalking you guys.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Amazing.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
You were doing a walk and talk with Jessica, with
Sir Jessica, and I just was like, one day.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So it's like a very weird moment.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
This would have been two thousand and three, how great,
So kind of like that would have been season five.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Was she pregnant? Did she look pregnant? She did not
look pregnant? Okay, interesting and it was just me and
her or all of us.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
No, it was you you guys, well have fun, I know,
how amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, did we seem like we were having fun or
we seem so no, not stressed at all.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
And I remember thinking about that energy because it just
looked easy, breezy to you guys.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I mean, of course it was.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
There was season five, but I remember thinking, like, in
the middle of New York City, Yeah, you guys are
able to tune it all out too and have this
smellman and fans were watching you, and I was like, yeah,
that was really cool.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, it is really cool.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
It's still really cool when we filmed. But the thing
that's so different is back then and by season five.
I'm not sure how much this would be true, but
when we started, it was almost like Gorilla TV making
like it wasn't like I had been on Melo's place
here and it had been this huge like spelling production, right, Yeah,
but when we went there we often had handheld We
(03:26):
were shooting on Super.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Sixteen, which is like totally different.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And now we have cranes, we have, you know, so
much stuff because our production value is.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Here and used to be here. But I love I
love how we used to be, Like it was special
and grain and very New York looking.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
But we could also film really quickly because we had
to do pages and pages a day. But we had wow,
like seventeen hour days was normal. Why now we had
a twenty four hour day?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
What?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, we just filmed around.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
What wait, I have a question? Yeah, as an actor,
why how did that?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
And why did that?
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah? Why?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And how?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
We still ask ourselves this Camilla okay because we still
have really long hours, not as bad, and now they
make us go at four thirty, whereas we used to
film until four thirty or whenever the sun came up
seven thirty. We would just film until the sun came
up because we would be outside exterior night.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Right. That was the Saxon City show itself.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And now we're more outside extra day because of the plotlines, right,
so they make us get up in the in the
wee hours and get there.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
But we still sometimes like why are we like this?
Speaker 1 (04:35):
And we really don't know the answer except to say
except to say that our kind of motors operandi is
overly ambitious.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I love that, Thank you. I love it. I mean
it's great in some ways and then hard in others.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
But like, do you think it's the reason for our
success and for our continued success? Is it we're always
kind of overshooting what we actually have been allowed to do.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, Like we're just like we're gonna do it all.
We're going to try to do it all. And do
we always succeed? No, we don't. Sometimes we fail when
you swing big, sometimes you don't. Yeah, you don't get there.
But it's okay. I would prefer that. Are you guys
allowed to improvise on the side.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
No, Oh, maybe we've been allowed to improvise in the beginning,
Like there's a scene in the first or second episode
when we're talking about our perceived faults and they let
us they left it open in the script because they
didn't want to say what they thought we might think
our own faults were.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Oh wow, that's really nine to go back and watch that.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
So with the ant, did they keep the answers that
you gave organically improvising?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Wow, I talk about my thighs. Yeah no, yeah, definitely yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
And that was the band of my existence for quite
quite some time, which is so silly, but this is
people were very hard on me, very very hard.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
That's so funny because I watched the finale episode last night.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I loved it.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Actually, I love that that was my homework for the
podcast because it felt like, I said, my kids were
supposed to be going to bed, and I was like, Mommy,
Mommy's got to watch this show. And it felt like
I was like, listen, you guys, I would love to
be giving you a bath right now, but I've.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Got to watch I love it. And I was like, yes,
I was literally in bed like blanket. That's how I
watched it too. Yeah, you are gorgeous and you look
so weird. I mean, I mean, baby beyond, it's so crazy.
And then I had to look up how old all
you guys were, because I'm like, what the start, You're
like early thirties. I think I was.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I was either thirty two or thirty three, I'm the worst.
Like like people are like, what year was that.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I don't I don't know what year it was. Like.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Also, once we started, it's a blur, but I know
we were all over thirty. Kim a little older than us,
which you know, yeah, I think is known fat.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Kim was forty. It said forty two. The internets are
forty two, which is only a year older than me.
And I was like, wow, oh my god, I would
that's the role I would play.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Really, you're a Samantha. No, I'm not. I'm not a Samantha.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
And by the way, no, I'm just saying age wise now,
I would be like the one for all the you know,
the little This is kind of like on our show,
we had the interns and then we have the right
so it's like me out with the interns a little bit.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
No.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I thought about this because of your podcast title Who
I Am? That was great, and I've decided.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
It changes through the years. Yes, yes, right now, probably
more of a Charlotte. Oh yeah, because you're in like
married and in the.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Married life and then like the mommy mode and trying
to make it all work right. But then I think
I would have thought I was a Carrie and then
I watched the episode last night. Not that this is
going to sound really weird because the episode last night,
which we'll get into, I have not had the Miranda
experience in that episode, but no, but I did think
(08:02):
like maybe I was a Miranda.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Ooh are you well?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Because your podcast is called call It what It Is,
which is kind of a line.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
She's really blunt, She's about her career, and I think
that and and the dating sort of like is in
there but not necessarily the focus for her.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah, absolutely, And so I think like before I was
a Charlotte, I probably was more Miranda.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I love it. I love it. I love Miranda so much.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
And I think there there was kind of a thing
for a while that I mean, there was a thing
for a while about Charlotte being the prude, which is
hysterical when you actually look at all the things that
Charlotte does early on, it's.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Not that prudish. Yeah, but there was also a thing
where Miranda.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Was thought to be like too uptight or you know,
like a hard ass or whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I don't know how to put it. And no, yeah,
there became a thing where.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Everyone was like we're all Miranda's you know, they're you know,
Miranda's wonderful, which I think is true, right, But it
is interesting culturally to look at what has been kind
of the end thing to be. And I think everyone
thought they were a Carrie and then there was like
this thing of like Carrie's narcissistic, which I find really weird. Yes,
and we're gonna deal with that when we have Sir
Jesca on, But I mean I don't personally find that
(09:12):
to be true at all.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I think that because we're hearing her voiceover and.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Her just let in a little bit more yes, right, exactly, Yeah,
And who she's a searcher.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
She's searching, actively searching.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
And investigating, right, so like she's searching for herself, but
she's also you know, investigating. I recently had Candace on
who was you know both the original column and she
still is up there with the facts like this many
women are single now, this percentage of you know, women
over forty year singles. Like I was like, oh, you're
still at it, Like it's amazing, But that's just really
(09:43):
who she is and she's still actively writing.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
But you know her, she's like a journalist anthropologist in
a way.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Of like what are the trends, what are the social trends,
and so carries that, but she's also on this quest
for love and really kind of for her own I
think think where we get to that, we're not really
there at the end of season one, though she does
end the show with an amazing quote which.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
We will get to.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
But you know, it's about Michael Patrick would always say
that it was really about all of our characters search
for completely loving themselves, loving.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Again in themselves.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I agree, yeah, which is I mean, such a great, universal,
incredible message.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
But when we began, we didn't know that. You know,
we were just like, oh my god, run this crazy
show and we get to stomp around, you.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Know what I mean, which is so true.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I'm so happy that you saw us filming back in
the olden days because we still.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Sometimes we're like, remember when we used to just wheel.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
The lights down the I mean, I feel like, in
my memory this is a million years ago, clearly, But
in my memory, there were no like huge lights set ups.
Definitely no crane. It's just like steady cam maybe like this,
you know, yep, exactly what It was very simple, but
like it was sex and the same new York City
wanting to be an actress.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I mean it was like a moment, amazing, amazing, amazing.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So you were on Californications with Evan Handler, who plaz
Harry my husband, who.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I love very much.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
But can I just tell you I couldn't watch that
show because I tried once and I literally had nightmares
about it.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
So there are partners, there are part listen. It's definitely polarizing.
It's not everyone's cup.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Of tea because it was Evan and then I David
and totally different characters.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, I was like, this is not good for my
mental health. I can't. Yes, but you were on it
with us, Evan.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I was on it with Evan, and when I got
the role, I knew that I was going to be
sort of clearly naked, so naked like ass out, boobs
out naked with somebody. And it's so funny because I
think about this now now he's anatomy, I'm like, can.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I have a onesie? If I do a sex scene,
I'm like, zip up to my neck. Back then, I
was like, this is great, what you know, like not stressed,
not strict about it. I really amazing.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I really wasn't I mean, I mean it was fleeting, clearly,
I mean, like that moment's gone.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
But but amazing that you had it. Yes, Yes, amazing
that I had it and Evan.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
They said you're going to be with Evan, and I
remember thinking Charlotte's husband, and I.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Was like so comforted by, like, oh, I know Evan.
I didn't know Evan at all, and he is pretty different.
He's and he is different. But I have to say that.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
You know, you never know in our industry what you're
going to get, especially when you're in a position on
a show like that, and it's a you know, it's
the things we had to do were insane. I mean
we had to like crawl naked and not just sex
scenes but like just just crazy shit crazy. That's what
the show is. And he was such an amazing co star.
(13:01):
He was such a gentleman.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
A gentleman.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, and it's like we would shoot a sex scene
and then we would you know, go back within our
little and sit there and he'd be like, so my
wife and kids, and that's what I like it. I
just and it made me feel so comfortable.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, that's so grateful on the show's you know, yeah, yeah,
he is and that's so you know, we have we
have a lover in colle.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Wow, you guys, And I have to say, to Evan's credit,
there aren't that many stories about Evan because he is
just very solid. You know, there's not going to be
a god.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yes, yes, thank God.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Still to this day, you know, we still have to
occasionally do a wacky sex scene. We did have a
wacky sex scene last season where I know, sometimes you
read something and you're like, oh, you know this is
not this is fine. You know, the sheets will be honest, whatever. Yeah,
we get to work and uh, there's some ideas from
(13:58):
the director and there's there's a platform built where Evan
has to basically be in a yoga pose over me
on a platform.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Oh my god. And I'm basic like looking at him.
We couldn't ask what pose it was. It was like, down, dog,
I'm not gonna say more. Okay, I'm not gonna say more. Okay,
don't get in trouble again. Okay, no, no, this is great,
this is great.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
It was funny and and God love Evan, you know
what I'm saying. Very calm, you know, very caretaking. Yeah, yeah,
that would the one was obviously I did take some
funny pictures because I had to lay there while they
were kind of building the platform so that I could
underneath the platform. I did take some funny pictures, but
I think I forgot to post some.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I can post this to show people like that happens.
When was like, did you get turned on?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
You're like no, no, no, anyway, it's time to talk
about Sexy is another actor.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I love it. Okay, let's talk about the episode. Now.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Let me ask you, so you did you watch like
at the time that it was airing or what's your relationship?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I would have absolutely watched the time got it? Okay,
from the beginning the show from the beginning? Oh my god,
I don't know, Okay, I mean yes, I was alive
in that time, which means I was watching the show.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Every week as the whole world was. I guess.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
So, I mean, I know, it doesn't feel like that
because you're a part of it, and maybe it feels
like you're in the bubble, which I can feel like
with Gray's Nanny.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
But yes, I always yes. Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Well, so because HBO, especially first season, you know, was
kind of new to having original programming, and it was
like a slow for us it felt like a slow build. Yeah,
but to think that people who were either in New
York or LA and were in the business definitely. Like
I remember I went to see the premiere of Outer
Site because Clooney was in it. Jenn phi Lopez was
(15:48):
in it. It's a great movie if you haven't seen it,
great movie, and I believe Soderberg directed it.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
It's really good.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
And I knew Clooney a little bit because I had
guest starret on the R which was an amazing situation
to be around their first season, watch them and how
they operated, and.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
They do thirty six takes. You know, it's like so cool.
What Yeah, thirty six Remember those one long takes through
the hospital. They do thirty six of those.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Wow, And everyone would just cross in and like the
walk and talks yes, okay, okay, and you have to
wait on the side and like come in, and I mean,
I mean they're you know, four takes.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
We got to move on totally. No, it was it was.
It was special and weird and amazing.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, And in saying like it was definitely they were
shooting high also, like it was a different situation. So
it's fun to be around. And I was I was
there and I was like, oh, yeah, I want to
see this movie. And George comes running up to me
and he says congratulations.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
And I said for what? But I had no idea
what he was talking about. It was like the show's amazing.
I was like, clod He's watching her show, like amazing.
I was so kind.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I ask you then, when you felt like you realize
the impact the show was making, like what it is.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Quite a while, I would say third probably third season? Yeah,
I think for for us because partli you're in the bubble, right,
and we filmed the whole first season without anything airing,
which is really common now is streaming?
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Back then not so much? Right right, If you're writing
a network show, you wanted to be on and get
the ratings and look at the demographics and ship things
or change things or whatever. Ours we shot the whole thing,
nothing had air, No one knew what we were doing.
Like costume was having a hard time getting closed because
people thought that we were real sex, which is weird.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Fields was the field, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I field, But she didn't do the pilot. She came
on the first season with Molly, who's still doing our costumes,
did so nineties I know nineties back in it's hysterical.
I know, it's really funny to me though. Anyway, side note,
I wouldn't go back there. But that's okay.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
We so third season, second season.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I feel like we were just like, thank god we
got picked up, you know what I'm saying, Like, thank
god we did okay, Like because we expected to be
kind of a niche.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Little like a little cult following or whatever. Right, Oh wow, no,
I know.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Then third season we shot a lot of episodes. Every
year would be different amount of episodes because again it
was HBO. They could do whatever they wanted. And in
the middle of third season, we got nominated for an Emmy,
which we never ever ever thought would happen. Ever, might
have been towards the end of the season. I remember
it was I don't know when they come out, but
like that means we're in September or whatever. And like
(18:24):
my phone rang really early and I was so mad,
like I'm trying to sleep people because we would work
all night day. Yeah, it was like who is calling me?
It was my mom calling me to tell me we
got nominated for him. And I was like, oh, Like
it was like the world stopped you know what I mean,
it was like what, like it was unheard of, like
no cable show had ever won an Emmy, which we
(18:45):
eventually did, but I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
It was it was shocking because it was this was.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
The same time The Sopranos was coming up, and you know,
it was like we were part of a wave, which
is you're pioneering it, which was.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Great but amazing. We certainly didn't.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
We weren't really aware or even aiming for that, you
know what I'm saying. Yeah, of course, you're just in it,
trying to do the best you can do.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah. Yeah, And then it was like, wow, people are
watching anyway. It was great.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
It was great and so weird to think of it
being so long ago. You know, it's strange. It's like
another lifetime in a way. But then also not like
all the feelings come back, except sometimes when I'm watching it,
I'm like, I do not remember that.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I still have I have that myself, like from our show.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I get on there like nine years.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
That's amazing and so rare in our business.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Super rare, right, I mean, like Grez is a unicorn.
It's like it's an amazing that Yeah, it's really special.
It's really special.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Did you ever think in your own mind? And then
I will get to the show. But I'm just curious,
like when you were starting, which obviously you were a kid,
but when you moved here, did you ever think like
I want to be on a show and be on
it for thirteen years? Like did that ever enter your mind?
Speaker 2 (20:06):
No? I just wanted to pay my rent. Yeah yeah, yeah,
I was watering for so I just wanted to be
like the dream. The dream changed.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Over time, right, you just want to work, right, and
then you want to be able to quit your second
job and work, and then it's like it's slowly.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I tell you what happened.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
For grades, We hit Netflix somewhere around like I forget
which season, and then it just it just got crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I feel like it just that the show just took
on a new second life.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
So that's when I thought like, oh, we don't have
a few seasons left because we're almost in our tenth
you know level season, right, this could go for a while,
and now you know, here we are about to shoot
twenty two.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Unbelievable. Yeah, that is so amazing. I remember when Grays
came out and it was like, what is this. This
is interesting. It's a medical.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Show, but it's also kind of a relationship show. Yeah,
and there were those high heels and I was like,
what's that. Yeah, it's super interesting. It's an amalgam of things.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
But it's been so great because there's been so many
strong female characters.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Oh yeah, it's incredible. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
And also like I'm just so impressed. I have to
say by our guest cast every single week. We just oh,
you guys have amazing, edible people on every week that
keep me on my toes.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
It's well written.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
I think that's why, right, because yeah, sometimes guest stars
are not interestingly written to anyone.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
But you guys are amazing. A lot of guest stars
a lot of heart.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah, that you're so invested by them, in them by
like twenty minutes in, you're like, now I really care
about this person and their family and their medical condition, and.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
It's really special. I get a lot of anxiety watching
medical shows. Well I have a lot of medical anxiety
me too. I don't know how you handle it a
lot of I actually talked to my therapist about this
this week because I was like.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
It's probably in a way the worst show I could
have gone because I know everything that you could possibly
get every disaster.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Oh no, but God bless Zoloft. I talk about this
all day early and that helps. What works. Whatever works.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I tried to watch The Pit and I was like, kidd,
I can't watch can't watch that.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I mean, God bless them. I know that feels.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
I have enough of it on our show, and I
love our show, but I don't need to go home
and then watch more medical murger.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I mean no, And like I already wasn't, but it's
on Max. So I felt like I should. I love
No Wiley, do what I mean?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
And so I was like, let's see. I was like yeah, no, no,
no no.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Also, I can only watch that tiny window since the
kids have gone to bed right so it's right before
my bed. It's only a tiny window for me, and
I can't have that beat. No, no, no, no, I agree,
it's not good.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
It is why I love reality TV. This is why
I watched The Housewives.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I mean, people, people tell me this. I have never
seen the Housewise got a terrible time. I know, I
have never seen that.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Feel like Sex and the City sort of inspired a
show like that is sweet that is sweet. We know
Andy Cohen really well, and so I guess on some
level we could take credit for it, But I don't know.
I think it was really just the magic of Andy,
you know what I mean, Like Andy, I don't know,
there's a little like of that. Like I've never seen
it because a lot of these housewives end up single
and so then you're watching their dating lives and fashion
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and all the things.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I've never thought about that that's interesting. See, that's weird,
Like how do they just get divorced during the show.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I mean they're following people for like sometimes.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Like you know, so many they're exposing their lives and
life is tough, right, and so you see people like
some people get married and engage and then they're divorced.
And yes, wow, I do think that's interesting. Has a
little has it has its hands in there as you.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Guys see Yeah, yeah, yeah, we ran into Andy. We
were in a restaurant filming one of our many They're
the the thing that I.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Like, and then we're gonna rewatch. We're gonna get to
the rewatch.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
And when I'm watching back, one of the things that
I loved see is that we have these kind of
go to moments. I'm sure you probably feel this on
Grace too, where like we kind of do it over
and over.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Again through the years, and I love to see it.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
One is Carrie and Miranda walking talking, because those are
always really deep conversations that it's Carrie and Miranda.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Like they are very much.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I wasn't aware of this back then, and I really
wasn't aware of it until I started rewatching. It's a
very interesting relationship that they have, unlike the rest of us.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Oh interesting because Miranda.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Kind of calls carry on her stuff, you know, and
she also is a little bit you know, pessimistice you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Rough or whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
So Carrie will be like maybe not, and she'll be
like maybe yeah, you know, like just cut it right
out from under her, you know what I mean. Which
is really interesting, and I feel like she's the only one,
I mean, Samantha in some ways, well she she just
has her general you kind of know what her take
is going to be.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Her take is going to be like do what you
want Annie, you know, in that way.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
But like Miranda, really Carrie kind of you know, gives
her her her biggest worries or her deepest thoughts or whatever.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
And Miranda's like, wow, it's super interesting.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
But they also really love each other obviously. And the
other one is that we do have this thing. We
did it early on maybe the first episode after the pilot,
where we meet up at the end of the episode
somewhere like at a restaurant or at a movie theater.
It was at a movie theater first season, and we
all hug and then we go in and this is
something we've done over the years, Like at the end
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of the first movie, it's for Samantha's birthday.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
That was ended up being the poster of the film.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
It was not supposed to be the poster, but we're
walking in the meatpacking district and it was the wee hours,
like possibly four am, and it had rained. And then
also we went down the street how they do, you know,
and to make it look beautiful, and there's a puddle
and Sir Jesska's wearing her Dere Warrior shoes they have
(25:52):
a better name, Gloodiator, and there's cobblestone and we I
had to hold there's elbow because I'm wearing like a
vintage pair of I want to say Mark Jacobs meme
something that had a decent heel because Sarah was, you know,
falling in the in the cobblestones and it was wet.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
We had to jump over this puddle.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
So I'm holding Sir Jessica's elbow to jump over the puddle.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I wake up the next.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Morning, could not walk, could not get out of bed,
Like one whole.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Side of me was just like in a total spasm.
Do you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
So whenever I see that poster, I laughed, like, well,
at least it was worth it. It's the poster for
the film. It's the one cheat, right, I'm laughing.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
You're laughing at those way a little bit because you're
like the glad and the vintage Marchin And I'm thinking
about how we get to change out our sneakers on
the show probably every two years, right, and they're like
They're like, here's some Adidas and I's so I'm like,
oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Like feet are doing a lot better than ours. Yes,
I don't know if it's worth it. I don't know.
Every morning when I wake up, my right foot is numb.
I I take no per vintage Mark Jacobs. I might okay,
fair enough, fair enough, that's true. I just sometimes feel guilty.
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I feel guilty, that's true.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
And I mean, look they're amazing. They're amazing shoes. We
get amazing shoes. But people are always like, how.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Do you do it? I'm like, pain, okay, pain, no pain,
like pain. Let's you know what I mean. This is
so exciting. I mean we're spoiled routten, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
But anyway, we meet up in that scene at the
after jumping over the puddle in the middle of the night,
we meet up and they pull away with the crane
and you know, we're together celebrating and we just did
it again. And then just like that, and Andy and
John Benjamin Hickey, who's in this episode, happened to be.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Walking by with pizza.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I'm not making this up in the village and we
were like, guys, and they came.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
In and the propazzi were there and took pictures and
we were like, why don't they be in the scene.
They're like, we gotta go, Homny pizza. They're over us.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Now, they're so over us, you know what I mean. Okay,
he's so good. Okay, this is we love. John Benjamin Hicky,
who plays the Catholic guy, is.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
That who that's John Benjamin Hickey. And he's married to
any Cohen.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
No, oh no, no, no, no any single right, any single.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
He's gonna have so hard. I don't know you said
there walking together.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
He's very close friends, they're not married. Okay, very close friends.
You are adorable. Very close friends.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
And all breaking a parent of two.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yes, yes, so we we always we always have a
bonding a good bonding experience. Okay, we have so much
to say about the finale of the first season that
we're going to make this into another.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Episode of podcasting. Okay, come back on Wednesday.
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Hello? Everyone, welcome to Are You a Charlotte?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Today we are discussing the finale of season one, which
I can't even believe that we're finally here to the
finale of season one. It's crazy, it's been it's been
such a rider already. So this is episode one twelve.
It is called okamal Ye, faithful, and I have the
incredible Camilla Ludington is here with us.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Very excited.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I've already met Camilla here in this very room. She
also has an iHeart podcast called call It What It Is,
which I've listened and I've been loving. Okay, I'm learning
so much with her friend Jessica Kapstaw, who also is here,
who was lovely, and they're both on Gray's Anatomy or work.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yes, she's not on nine one one Nashville. She just
announced yesterday she's the female leader of that show.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, amazing, good for her.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
They're so nice you guys, and have really fun podcast.
And also they're on Grades Anatomy and that's incredible. And
you have been a long time, which also kills me
because you're like such a baby.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Oh my god, I love that.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
You say that, but no, really, yes, come on, I
mean to look at your resume and all the things
you've done, and I would never think that you would
look like such a baby.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
But you've had quite the career. But you started at
five or something crazy I did. I started theater at five.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I knew I wanted to be an actress really young,
and nobody, also my family had ever done it before.
My mom thought I would become like a stage brat,
is how she put it back then. Oh no, yeah,
she was like absolutely not, you know. And so I
just started in theater.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
And then I went to school and I have a
cute story actually for you tell me, Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
So I did theater in England, and then I decided
that I didn't know how to what the medium for
acting in film was, like, it's so different, right to
stay so different? So I went to the New York
Film Academy Wow, and I studied there when I was
nineteen ten. And one day i'd never seen a TV
show film before. I was out on the street in
New York and Sex and the City was filming on
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the street and I just stood there stalking you guys.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Amazing.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
You were doing a walk and talk with Jessica, with
Sir Jessica, and I just was like, one day.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So it's like a very weird moment.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
This would have been two thousand and three, how great,
So kind of like that would have been season five.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Was she pregnant? Did she look pregnant? She did not
look pregnant? Okay, interesting and it was just me and
her or all of us.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
No, it was you you guys, well have fun, I know,
how amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, did we seem like we were having fun or
we seem so no, not stressed at all.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
And I remember thinking about that energy because it just
looked easy, breezy to you guys.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I mean, of course it was.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
There was season five, but I remember thinking, like, in
the middle of New York City, Yeah, you guys are
able to tune it all out too and have this
smellman and fans were watching you, and I was like, yeah,
that was really cool.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, it is really cool.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
It's still really cool when we filmed. But the thing
that's so different is back then and by season five.
I'm not sure how much this would be true, but
when we started, it was almost like Gorilla TV making
like it wasn't like I had been on Melo's place
here and it had been this huge like spelling production, right, Yeah,
but when we went there we often had handheld We
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were shooting on Super.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Sixteen, which is like totally different.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
And now we have cranes, we have, you know, so
much stuff because our production value is.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Here and used to be here. But I love I
love how we used to be, Like it was special
and grain and very New York looking.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
But we could also film really quickly because we had
to do pages and pages a day. But we had wow,
like seventeen hour days was normal. Why now we had
a twenty four hour day?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
What?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, we just filmed around.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
What wait, I have a question? Yeah, as an actor,
why how did that?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
And why did that?
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Yeah? Why?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
And how?
Speaker 1 (04:04):
We still ask ourselves this Camilla okay because we still
have really long hours, not as bad, and now they
make us go at four thirty, whereas we used to
film until four thirty or whenever the sun came up
seven thirty. We would just film until the sun came
up because we would be outside exterior night.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Right. That was the Saxon City show itself.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And now we're more outside extra day because of the plotlines, right,
so they make us get up in the in the
wee hours and get there.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
But we still sometimes like why are we like this?
Speaker 1 (04:35):
And we really don't know the answer except to say
except to say that our kind of motors operandi is
overly ambitious.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I love that, Thank you. I love it. I mean
it's great in some ways and then hard in others.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
But like, do you think it's the reason for our
success and for our continued success? Is it we're always
kind of overshooting what we actually have been allowed to do.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yeah, Like we're just like we're gonna do it all.
We're going to try to do it all. And do
we always succeed? No, we don't. Sometimes we fail when
you swing big, sometimes you don't. Yeah, you don't get there.
But it's okay. I would prefer that. Are you guys
allowed to improvise on the side.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
No, Oh, maybe we've been allowed to improvise in the beginning,
Like there's a scene in the first or second episode
when we're talking about our perceived faults and they let
us they left it open in the script because they
didn't want to say what they thought we might think
our own faults were.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Oh wow, that's really nine to go back and watch that.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
So with the ant, did they keep the answers that
you gave organically improvising?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Wow, I talk about my thighs. Yeah no, yeah, definitely yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
And that was the band of my existence for quite
quite some time, which is so silly, but this is
people were very hard on me, very very hard.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
That's so funny because I watched the finale episode last night.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I loved it.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Actually, I love that that was my homework for the
podcast because it felt like, I said, my kids were
supposed to be going to bed, and I was like, Mommy,
Mommy's got to watch this show. And it felt like
I was like, listen, you guys, I would love to
be giving you a bath right now, but I've.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Got to watch I love it. And I was like, yes,
I was literally in bed like blanket. That's how I
watched it too. Yeah, you are gorgeous and you look
so weird. I mean, I mean, baby beyond, it's so crazy.
And then I had to look up how old all
you guys were, because I'm like, what the start, You're
like early thirties. I think I was.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I was either thirty two or thirty three, I'm the worst.
Like like people are like, what year was that.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I don't I don't know what year it was. Like.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
Also, once we started, it's a blur, but I know
we were all over thirty. Kim a little older than us,
which you know, yeah, I think is known fat.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Kim was forty. It said forty two. The internets are
forty two, which is only a year older than me.
And I was like, wow, oh my god, I would
that's the role I would play.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Really, you're a Samantha. No, I'm not. I'm not a Samantha.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
And by the way, no, I'm just saying age wise now,
I would be like the one for all the you know,
the little This is kind of like on our show,
we had the interns and then we have the right
so it's like me out with the interns a little bit.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
No.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
I thought about this because of your podcast title Who
I Am? That was great, and I've decided.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
It changes through the years. Yes, yes, right now, probably
more of a Charlotte. Oh yeah, because you're in like
married and in the.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Married life and then like the mommy mode and trying
to make it all work right. But then I think
I would have thought I was a Carrie and then
I watched the episode last night. Not that this is
going to sound really weird because the episode last night,
which we'll get into, I have not had the Miranda
experience in that episode, but no, but I did think
(08:02):
like maybe I was a Miranda.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Ooh are you well?
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Because your podcast is called call It what It Is,
which is kind of a line.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
She's really blunt, She's about her career, and I think
that and and the dating sort of like is in
there but not necessarily the focus for her.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah, absolutely, And so I think like before I was
a Charlotte, I probably was more Miranda.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I love it. I love it. I love Miranda so much.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
And I think there there was kind of a thing
for a while that I mean, there was a thing
for a while about Charlotte being the prude, which is
hysterical when you actually look at all the things that
Charlotte does early on, it's.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Not that prudish. Yeah, but there was also a thing
where Miranda.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Was thought to be like too uptight or you know,
like a hard ass or whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I don't know how to put it. And no, yeah,
there became a thing where.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Everyone was like we're all Miranda's you know, they're you know,
Miranda's wonderful, which I think is true, right, But it
is interesting culturally to look at what has been kind
of the end thing to be. And I think everyone
thought they were a Carrie and then there was like
this thing of like Carrie's narcissistic, which I find really weird. Yes,
and we're gonna deal with that when we have Sir
Jesca on, But I mean I don't personally find that
(09:12):
to be true at all.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I think that because we're hearing her voiceover and.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Her just let in a little bit more yes, right, exactly, Yeah,
And who she's a searcher.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
She's searching, actively searching.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
And investigating, right, so like she's searching for herself, but
she's also you know, investigating. I recently had Candace on
who was you know both the original column and she
still is up there with the facts like this many
women are single now, this percentage of you know, women
over forty year singles. Like I was like, oh, you're
still at it, Like it's amazing, But that's just really
(09:43):
who she is and she's still actively writing.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
But you know her, she's like a journalist anthropologist in
a way.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Of like what are the trends, what are the social trends,
and so carries that, but she's also on this quest
for love and really kind of for her own I
think think where we get to that, we're not really
there at the end of season one, though she does
end the show with an amazing quote which.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
We will get to.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
But you know, it's about Michael Patrick would always say
that it was really about all of our characters search
for completely loving themselves, loving.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Again in themselves.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
I agree, yeah, which is I mean, such a great, universal,
incredible message.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
But when we began, we didn't know that. You know,
we were just like, oh my god, run this crazy
show and we get to stomp around, you.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
Know what I mean, which is so true.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I'm so happy that you saw us filming back in
the olden days because we still.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Sometimes we're like, remember when we used to just wheel.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
The lights down the I mean, I feel like, in
my memory this is a million years ago, clearly, But
in my memory, there were no like huge lights set ups.
Definitely no crane. It's just like steady cam maybe like this,
you know, yep, exactly what It was very simple, but
like it was sex and the same new York City
wanting to be an actress.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
I mean it was like a moment, amazing, amazing, amazing.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
So you were on Californications with Evan Handler, who plaz
Harry my husband, who.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I love very much.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
But can I just tell you I couldn't watch that
show because I tried once and I literally had nightmares
about it.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
So there are partners, there are part listen. It's definitely polarizing.
It's not everyone's cup.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Of tea because it was Evan and then I David
and totally different characters.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Yeah, I was like, this is not good for my
mental health. I can't. Yes, but you were on it
with us, Evan.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I was on it with Evan, and when I got
the role, I knew that I was going to be
sort of clearly naked, so naked like ass out, boobs
out naked with somebody. And it's so funny because I
think about this now now he's anatomy, I'm like, can.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
I have a onesie? If I do a sex scene,
I'm like, zip up to my neck. Back then, I
was like, this is great, what you know, like not stressed,
not strict about it. I really amazing.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I really wasn't I mean, I mean it was fleeting, clearly,
I mean, like that moment's gone.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
But but amazing that you had it. Yes, Yes, amazing
that I had it and Evan.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
They said you're going to be with Evan, and I
remember thinking Charlotte's husband, and I.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Was like so comforted by, like, oh, I know Evan.
I didn't know Evan at all, and he is pretty different.
He's and he is different. But I have to say that.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
You know, you never know in our industry what you're
going to get, especially when you're in a position on
a show like that, and it's a you know, it's
the things we had to do were insane. I mean
we had to like crawl naked and not just sex
scenes but like just just crazy shit crazy. That's what
the show is. And he was such an amazing co star.
(13:01):
He was such a gentleman.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
A gentleman.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, and it's like we would shoot a sex scene
and then we would you know, go back within our
little and sit there and he'd be like, so my
wife and kids, and that's what I like it. I
just and it made me feel so comfortable.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, that's so grateful on the show's you know, yeah, yeah,
he is and that's so you know, we have we
have a lover in colle.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Wow, you guys, And I have to say, to Evan's credit,
there aren't that many stories about Evan because he is
just very solid. You know, there's not going to be
a god.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yes, yes, thank God.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Still to this day, you know, we still have to
occasionally do a wacky sex scene. We did have a
wacky sex scene last season where I know, sometimes you
read something and you're like, oh, you know this is
not this is fine. You know, the sheets will be honest, whatever. Yeah,
we get to work and uh, there's some ideas from
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the director and there's there's a platform built where Evan
has to basically be in a yoga pose over me
on a platform.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Oh my god. And I'm basic like looking at him.
We couldn't ask what pose it was. It was like, down, dog,
I'm not gonna say more. Okay, I'm not gonna say more. Okay,
don't get in trouble again. Okay, no, no, this is great,
this is great.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
It was funny and and God love Evan, you know
what I'm saying. Very calm, you know, very caretaking. Yeah, yeah,
that would the one was obviously I did take some
funny pictures because I had to lay there while they
were kind of building the platform so that I could
underneath the platform. I did take some funny pictures, but
I think I forgot to post some.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I can post this to show people like that happens.
When was like, did you get turned on?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
You're like no, no, no, anyway, it's time to talk
about Sexy is another actor.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I love it. Okay, let's talk about the episode. Now.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Let me ask you, so you did you watch like
at the time that it was airing or what's your relationship?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
I would have absolutely watched the time got it? Okay,
from the beginning the show from the beginning? Oh my god,
I don't know, Okay, I mean yes, I was alive
in that time, which means I was watching the show.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Every week as the whole world was. I guess.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
So, I mean, I know, it doesn't feel like that
because you're a part of it, and maybe it feels
like you're in the bubble, which I can feel like
with Gray's Nanny.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
But yes, I always yes. Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Well, so because HBO, especially first season, you know, was
kind of new to having original programming, and it was
like a slow for us it felt like a slow build. Yeah,
but to think that people who were either in New
York or LA and were in the business definitely. Like
I remember I went to see the premiere of Outer
Site because Clooney was in it. Jenn phi Lopez was
(15:48):
in it. It's a great movie if you haven't seen it,
great movie, and I believe Soderberg directed it.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
It's really good.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
And I knew Clooney a little bit because I had
guest starret on the R which was an amazing situation
to be around their first season, watch them and how
they operated, and.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
They do thirty six takes. You know, it's like so cool.
What Yeah, thirty six Remember those one long takes through
the hospital. They do thirty six of those.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Wow, And everyone would just cross in and like the
walk and talks yes, okay, okay, and you have to
wait on the side and like come in, and I mean,
I mean they're you know, four takes.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
We got to move on totally. No, it was it was.
It was special and weird and amazing.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, And in saying like it was definitely they were
shooting high also, like it was a different situation. So
it's fun to be around. And I was I was
there and I was like, oh, yeah, I want to
see this movie. And George comes running up to me
and he says congratulations.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
And I said for what? But I had no idea
what he was talking about. It was like the show's amazing.
I was like, clod He's watching her show, like amazing.
I was so kind.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I ask you then, when you felt like you realize
the impact the show was making, like what it is.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Quite a while, I would say third probably third season? Yeah,
I think for for us because partli you're in the bubble, right,
and we filmed the whole first season without anything airing,
which is really common now is streaming?
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Back then not so much? Right right, If you're writing
a network show, you wanted to be on and get
the ratings and look at the demographics and ship things
or change things or whatever. Ours we shot the whole thing,
nothing had air, No one knew what we were doing.
Like costume was having a hard time getting closed because
people thought that we were real sex, which is weird.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Fields was the field, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I field, But she didn't do the pilot. She came
on the first season with Molly, who's still doing our costumes,
did so nineties I know nineties back in it's hysterical.
I know, it's really funny to me though. Anyway, side note,
I wouldn't go back there. But that's okay.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
We so third season, second season.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I feel like we were just like, thank god we
got picked up, you know what I'm saying, Like, thank
god we did okay, Like because we expected to be
kind of a niche.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Little like a little cult following or whatever. Right, Oh wow, no,
I know.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Then third season we shot a lot of episodes. Every
year would be different amount of episodes because again it
was HBO. They could do whatever they wanted. And in
the middle of third season, we got nominated for an Emmy,
which we never ever ever thought would happen. Ever, might
have been towards the end of the season. I remember
it was I don't know when they come out, but
like that means we're in September or whatever. And like
(18:24):
my phone rang really early and I was so mad,
like I'm trying to sleep people because we would work
all night day. Yeah, it was like who is calling me?
It was my mom calling me to tell me we
got nominated for him. And I was like, oh, Like
it was like the world stopped you know what I mean,
it was like what, like it was unheard of, like
no cable show had ever won an Emmy, which we
(18:45):
eventually did, but I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
It was it was shocking because it was this was.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
The same time The Sopranos was coming up, and you know,
it was like we were part of a wave, which
is you're pioneering it, which was.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Great but amazing. We certainly didn't.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
We weren't really aware or even aiming for that, you
know what I'm saying. Yeah, of course, you're just in it,
trying to do the best you can do.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Yeah. Yeah, And then it was like, wow, people are
watching anyway. It was great.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
It was great and so weird to think of it
being so long ago. You know, it's strange. It's like
another lifetime in a way. But then also not like
all the feelings come back, except sometimes when I'm watching it,
I'm like, I do not remember that.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I still have I have that myself, like from our show.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I get on there like nine years.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
That's amazing and so rare in our business.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Super rare, right, I mean, like Grez is a unicorn.
It's like it's an amazing that Yeah, it's really special.
It's really special.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Did you ever think in your own mind? And then
I will get to the show. But I'm just curious,
like when you were starting, which obviously you were a kid,
but when you moved here, did you ever think like
I want to be on a show and be on
it for thirteen years? Like did that ever enter your mind?
Speaker 2 (20:06):
No? I just wanted to pay my rent. Yeah yeah, yeah,
I was watering for so I just wanted to be
like the dream. The dream changed.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Over time, right, you just want to work, right, and
then you want to be able to quit your second
job and work, and then it's like it's slowly.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I tell you what happened.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
For grades, We hit Netflix somewhere around like I forget
which season, and then it just it just got crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
I feel like it just that the show just took
on a new second life.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
So that's when I thought like, oh, we don't have
a few seasons left because we're almost in our tenth
you know level season, right, this could go for a while,
and now you know, here we are about to shoot
twenty two.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Unbelievable. Yeah, that is so amazing. I remember when Grays
came out and it was like, what is this. This
is interesting. It's a medical.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Show, but it's also kind of a relationship show. Yeah,
and there were those high heels and I was like,
what's that. Yeah, it's super interesting. It's an amalgam of things.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
But it's been so great because there's been so many
strong female characters.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Oh yeah, it's incredible. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
And also like I'm just so impressed. I have to
say by our guest cast every single week. We just oh,
you guys have amazing, edible people on every week that
keep me on my toes.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
It's well written.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
I think that's why, right, because yeah, sometimes guest stars
are not interestingly written to anyone.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
But you guys are amazing. A lot of guest stars
a lot of heart.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah, that you're so invested by them, in them by
like twenty minutes in, you're like, now I really care
about this person and their family and their medical condition, and.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
It's really special. I get a lot of anxiety watching
medical shows. Well I have a lot of medical anxiety
me too. I don't know how you handle it a
lot of I actually talked to my therapist about this
this week because I was like.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
It's probably in a way the worst show I could
have gone because I know everything that you could possibly
get every disaster.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Oh no, but God bless Zoloft. I talk about this
all day early and that helps. What works. Whatever works.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
I tried to watch The Pit and I was like, kidd,
I can't watch can't watch that.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I mean, God bless them. I know that feels.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
I have enough of it on our show, and I
love our show, but I don't need to go home
and then watch more medical murger.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
I mean no, And like I already wasn't, but it's
on Max. So I felt like I should. I love
No Wiley, do what I mean?
Speaker 2 (22:33):
And so I was like, let's see. I was like yeah, no, no,
no no.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Also, I can only watch that tiny window since the
kids have gone to bed right so it's right before
my bed. It's only a tiny window for me, and
I can't have that beat. No, no, no, no, I agree,
it's not good.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
It is why I love reality TV. This is why
I watched The Housewives.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I mean, people, people tell me this. I have never
seen the Housewise got a terrible time. I know, I
have never seen that.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Feel like Sex and the City sort of inspired a
show like that is sweet that is sweet. We know
Andy Cohen really well, and so I guess on some
level we could take credit for it, But I don't know.
I think it was really just the magic of Andy,
you know what I mean, Like Andy, I don't know,
there's a little like of that. Like I've never seen
it because a lot of these housewives end up single
and so then you're watching their dating lives and fashion
(23:17):
and all the things.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I've never thought about that that's interesting. See, that's weird,
Like how do they just get divorced during the show.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I mean they're following people for like sometimes.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Like you know, so many they're exposing their lives and
life is tough, right, and so you see people like
some people get married and engage and then they're divorced.
And yes, wow, I do think that's interesting. Has a
little has it has its hands in there as you.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Guys see Yeah, yeah, yeah, we ran into Andy. We
were in a restaurant filming one of our many They're
the the thing that I.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Like, and then we're gonna rewatch. We're gonna get to
the rewatch.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
And when I'm watching back, one of the things that
I loved see is that we have these kind of
go to moments. I'm sure you probably feel this on
Grace too, where like we kind of do it over
and over.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Again through the years, and I love to see it.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
One is Carrie and Miranda walking talking, because those are
always really deep conversations that it's Carrie and Miranda.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Like they are very much.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I wasn't aware of this back then, and I really
wasn't aware of it until I started rewatching. It's a
very interesting relationship that they have, unlike the rest of us.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Oh interesting because Miranda.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Kind of calls carry on her stuff, you know, and
she also is a little bit you know, pessimistice you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Rough or whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
So Carrie will be like maybe not, and she'll be
like maybe yeah, you know, like just cut it right
out from under her, you know what I mean. Which
is really interesting, and I feel like she's the only one,
I mean, Samantha in some ways, well she she just
has her general you kind of know what her take
is going to be.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Her take is going to be like do what you
want Annie, you know, in that way.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
But like Miranda, really Carrie kind of you know, gives
her her her biggest worries or her deepest thoughts or whatever.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
And Miranda's like, wow, it's super interesting.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
But they also really love each other obviously. And the
other one is that we do have this thing. We
did it early on maybe the first episode after the pilot,
where we meet up at the end of the episode
somewhere like at a restaurant or at a movie theater.
It was at a movie theater first season, and we
all hug and then we go in and this is
something we've done over the years, Like at the end
(25:26):
of the first movie, it's for Samantha's birthday.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
That was ended up being the poster of the film.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
It was not supposed to be the poster, but we're
walking in the meatpacking district and it was the wee hours,
like possibly four am, and it had rained. And then
also we went down the street how they do, you know,
and to make it look beautiful, and there's a puddle
and Sir Jesska's wearing her Dere Warrior shoes they have
(25:52):
a better name, Gloodiator, and there's cobblestone and we I
had to hold there's elbow because I'm wearing like a
vintage pair of I want to say Mark Jacobs meme
something that had a decent heel because Sarah was, you know,
falling in the in the cobblestones and it was wet.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
We had to jump over this puddle.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
So I'm holding Sir Jessica's elbow to jump over the puddle.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I wake up the next.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Morning, could not walk, could not get out of bed,
Like one whole.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Side of me was just like in a total spasm.
Do you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
So whenever I see that poster, I laughed, like, well,
at least it was worth it. It's the poster for
the film. It's the one cheat, right, I'm laughing.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
You're laughing at those way a little bit because you're
like the glad and the vintage Marchin And I'm thinking
about how we get to change out our sneakers on
the show probably every two years, right, and they're like
They're like, here's some Adidas and I's so I'm like,
oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Like feet are doing a lot better than ours. Yes,
I don't know if it's worth it. I don't know.
Every morning when I wake up, my right foot is numb.
I I take no per vintage Mark Jacobs. I might okay,
fair enough, fair enough, that's true. I just sometimes feel guilty.
(27:08):
I feel guilty, that's true.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
And I mean, look they're amazing. They're amazing shoes. We
get amazing shoes. But people are always like, how.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Do you do it? I'm like, pain, okay, pain, no pain,
like pain. Let's you know what I mean. This is
so exciting. I mean we're spoiled routten, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
But anyway, we meet up in that scene at the
after jumping over the puddle in the middle of the night,
we meet up and they pull away with the crane
and you know, we're together celebrating and we just did
it again. And then just like that, and Andy and
John Benjamin Hickey, who's in this episode, happened to be.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Walking by with pizza.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
I'm not making this up in the village and we
were like, guys, and they came.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
In and the propazzi were there and took pictures and
we were like, why don't they be in the scene.
They're like, we gotta go, Homny pizza. They're over us.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Now, they're so over us, you know what I mean. Okay,
he's so good. Okay, this is we love. John Benjamin Hicky,
who plays the Catholic guy, is.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
That who that's John Benjamin Hickey. And he's married to
any Cohen.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
No, oh no, no, no, no any single right, any single.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
He's gonna have so hard. I don't know you said
there walking together.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
He's very close friends, they're not married. Okay, very close friends.
You are adorable. Very close friends.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
And all breaking a parent of two.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yes, yes, so we we always we always have a
bonding a good bonding experience. Okay, we have so much
to say about the finale of the first season that
we're going to make this into another.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Episode of podcasting. Okay, come back on Wednesday.
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