June 9, 2025 • 44 mins
Molly Price plays Susan Sharon in this episode. But, before we get to that…find out who Molly was supposed to audition for on Sex and the City.
In this episode, The Awful Truth, Carrie gives some seriously controversial and maybe even AWFUL marriage advice to her friend Susan Sharon. Kristin and Molly are breaking it down and may see things differently today than they did back then. Plus, haircuts, Charlotte’s dog, and small penis guy.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are you
a Charlotte.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hi, Mollie, Hi, Kristin, Yes, and you're here.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
The great Molly Price, who plays Susan Sharon, a fan favorite.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
It's so funny to see you with your hair, and then.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
To have watched the episode back and I was like,
oh my god, moll you just have the dark hair.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
I realized it when I watched it. I realized I
had just done a Woody Allen movie and Uma Thurman
was one of the leads in the film, and they
I'm complimenting myself right out of the gate. Kristen Wood
(00:47):
He was worried that we looked similar now, so they
had me dye my hair black wild. So when I
did Sex and Sex and the City, my hair was black.
I'm normally like a you know, like a chess, and
I go into blogs. Right when I watched the episode again,
I was like, oh my god, my.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Hair was black.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, it was really dark. Yeah, yeah, I love your
hair like this. It looks so great.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
It's that or gray. So I'm going until I'm brave
enough to be gray.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I mean me too, but I'm just keep in the
dark till I'm brave enough to be gray. But you know,
this is where we're at, right, Okay. So it was
really really fun to look back at this episode because
to me, I would have thought that this episode was
much later in the series. But as I'm rewatching the show,
a lot of the things that I think of as
being like kind of like important moments or things that
(01:37):
people remember were much earlier in our in our seasons
than I thought. And this episode is one of them.
It's called The Awful Truth I Believe, Yes, right, And
it's written by Darren Starr, directed by the great Alan Coulter,
who I love so much. And it's such a fantastic episode.
And you are so great in it.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Oh that's so nice. Thank you. I had a blast
doing it. It was much fun.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Did you know I was nervous? Were you?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Oh? My god? I was terrified? Why? Why? Well? It
was such an iconic show.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
It was the beginning of the second season, and it was,
you know, the talk of the town. It was you know,
sex and the city and the sopranos were all the rage.
And I remember auditioning and I was so nervous in
the audition and I just thought we'll use it, you know,
just ride that you know bill Esper, you know, yeah,
I don't know if your audience knows that you and
(02:30):
I went to college together.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Absolutely, yes, let's tell them Molly and I went to
college together.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
You guys believe this?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And could I just say it's always so amazing to
work with or to get the pleasure of working with
someone who trained like we did, because there just aren't
that many of us.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Like, it was a small school.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
It was a really small school, and we were really
early on in that in that evolution, and it you know,
it didn't last long.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
What was he there? Bill Esper was there for what
ten fifteen years?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Right? And now I don't even think they have BFA
at all.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
No, hey, they only have a right.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
So we were part of of really kind of a
magical program that was very hard but great where we
studied with an amazing teacher named Bill Esper. We were
at Rudcerds University, but we were a small part of
the Wreckers called the Mason Grove School of the Arts
in beautiful New Brunswick, New Jersey, which is so crazy
(03:23):
to think about. Like, I met Mollie probably when I
was nineteen.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I want to.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Say, we were kids, little kids, little kids trying to act,
and here we still are.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Yeah we are. Okay, that's Bill.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Thanks Bill, Yes, thank you Bill, thank you Bill in heaven. Okay, yes,
thank you for remembering that. It's so crazy to think
about it. And also, just just to make sure we
go full circle, Molly also came onto and just like that,
which was so great and so perfect. Yeah, so so
perfect to have you come to a big event, which
we'll get to later, but let's go back in time.
(03:59):
So we were very nervous in the audition, and you thought,
use it. So you use a little Bill, a little
Bill magic.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I just remember you know, the you know working you know,
we were Miisner trained actors, and you work truthfully off
the other person. And I was nervous, and I thought, well,
this is a woman who would be nervous, right, She's
in an abusive marriage and she's afraid of her husband,
and how would she be in these scenes. And you know,
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she had left her husband in the episode and moved
in with Carrie, and so I.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Thought, just use it, and I did.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
And I just remember them laughing like out loud in
the audition and I'm thinking, Okay, this.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Is going this is going well. Yeah, but.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Just if I can flash back even prior to the audition,
Like two years before my audition, I remember getting a
call from my agent and he said, there's this audition
for this HBO and you know, HBO kind it didn't
even really exist.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I was like, what HB?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
What HB Studios And they said it's an audition for
a show called Sex in the City.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
And like, I'm a recovering Catholic, so as soon as I.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Heard the word sex, I was like, oh, shite, I can't.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I'm not you know, taking my clothes. I'm not You're
going to have sex on camera?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
And then he and then he said it's in the
auditions in Queens and I was like where because I was,
you know, a very stuck up Manhattan night and I
was like Queens and he was like yeah, and can
I tell you this. I did not even go on
the audition because I was so like for CLEMP that
I had to go to Queens to audition for there
(05:41):
was a Silver Cup Studios. Yeah, and I was like,
I'm not going to Queens to audition for the Earth.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Wow. Wow, wow wow. I love about that.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I mean, I do think it's it's so it's It's
one of those things though that I can fully understand
because I remember the anxiety that we all had about
the sex sexuality section part of it, and even you know,
not being a recovering Catholic, I still was super nervous about,
you know, my mother seeing it and my grandmother seeing it,
and we had a lot of nerves about what we
(06:12):
were talking about, but also like what were they going
to show because it really was no precedent for our show.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
There was nothing to compare it to, and that comedic
part was.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Not really necessarily clear and kind of confusing right until
everyone saw it. You know, Yes, yes, but I do remember,
and I mean, I'm sorry that you did an audition
because you would have been amazing.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
But I get it.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Because I remember my own I think because I knew Darren,
I was able to talk to him about it, and
he talked to me about Candice, and I was able
to look her up and have like a little bit
more kind of context of what he wanted to do,
and I knew that he wanted it to be funny.
Though Darren really didn't have a track record of writing comedy.
So he was so smart that he brought to Michael
(06:55):
Patrick pretty soon, who you know, was sitcom and stand
up and all of those things.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And I think that's what made it work back then.
But I do also.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Remember everyone being like, you know, outrage.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Like women talking about sex.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, yeah, it sounded like, you know, it was like soft.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Porn exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
But what is interesting too to think back in terms
of I also remember, I don't know if you listen
to the podcast, but when I had Cynthia on, we
talked about going to our first fittings on Long Island
City in Queens where silver Cup was and both of
us getting lost. I ended up in tears. She's you know,
hardcore New York to the fact she got lost, and
because they used to expect us to just take the
(07:35):
train to work in the beginning before, we had a
whole little fit about it.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yes, we were like where are we?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Where are we if we only lived in Manhattan, you know,
even when everybody moved out to Brooklyn like fifteen twenty
years ago, I was like.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Where, what? Why? Really? Right, clearly I clearly missed a
lot of calls.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, oh, a lot of mild zones, but I get it.
I also remember myself when we got out of college.
When I moved first, I lived in I still lived
in in New Brunswick.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
For a while. Then I moved to Hoboken.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So you'd have to take the Path train and you'd
have to give back before the last Path train. And
I remember when I was auditioning, the auditions would just
be everywhere, like uptown on the East River, down town,
like I did not know where the heck I was
half the time, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah, And I remember like, yeah, that's when there was
still like phone.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Boots, which is in this show. It's so yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
I remember I lived in Hoboken too. I lived on
ninth in Garden. Wow, I remember, you know, you'd have
to take a change of clothes and so many I
changed my bathrooms in New York City to change my
clothes to play a hooker, to play a lawyer, to
play you know, a mother, and I'd have my bag.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
You know, definitely crazy good old days.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Shut the good old days totally totally.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
It made us tough. It made us very tough, I think,
you know, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, So I want to get back to this part
because I had remembered Susan Saron obviously as being great.
But when I watch you back, I mean, I think,
I think so many great things. I think that number
one and why I love to hear your audition story
is that it's hard to make this funny. You know,
like you're in an abusive relationship, right, and you make
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it funny.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
It's kind of impressive.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Well again, I think I said, I'm a recovering.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Catholic, got it? It connects.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yes, I understand comedy and abuse.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yes, yes, Oh my god, I'm glad you said that
and I didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
But it's really good and it's also I'm curious just well,
I'm going to be specific in a men about the episode,
but when I watched this, one of the things I
love about rewatching the show is to think about what
is similar now and what's different now about relationships, about
the way women talk about our thoughts and feelings about
relationship things, and your husband in this show, the character
(09:55):
is so awful.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, and now we would be calling the police. Are
I scared?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
But we make jokes and Carrie's like, maybe that's just
there for play.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
You know, it's crazy, isn't it. Did you think.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
That I mean it's not untrue, I guess is what
I would say. I mean there is some sort of
codependency involved in those relationships.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I mean, you know, you only know what you know, right, And.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
If you grow up in a household where people yell
at each other and are verbally abusive to each other,
it becomes normalized. And unless you do work on yourself
and you're like, oh, that's not really healthy and I
want to change that, you live out your life the
same way that you watched other people live out their lives. So,
I mean he was terrible, but at the same time,
(10:44):
I will not remember that actor's name. He was funny,
and they cast it in a way that it could
be comedic because he was much shorter than I was, right,
and so that made it funny right right now? And
you know, maybe the dog is what brings them back together.
Maybe they just you know, that was cute. We're missing something.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Right, I think, is it? Is it Neil Jones as Richard?
Is Richard your husband? I think, yes, yes, Neil Jones.
I thought he did a fantastic job.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
He was he was amazing.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, I mean he really he really goes for it.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
And I think That's also partly why it is funny
is that it's not it's not like subtle exactly, it's
like really leaning into that, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
But he was comedically, his presence was comedic.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
It's true for sure that he was shorter than me
made it, I think made it digestible.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, you're not so scared for he was.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
A big, looming presence.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
You might be like, ikes, but I was, you know,
three inches taller than him. So I think in the
casting that was very insightful of them to allow the
audience to relax into it and not get their shoulders up,
you know.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Definitely, definitely, definitely I did have my shoulders up watching
it though, but I knew it was gonna end fine.
But it is just those funny mom moments, like earlier
in the first season we have the Gabriel Marck characters
filming himself having sex with models and not telling them
and then talking about how you going, yeah, make out
our project out of it, Like those moments where you're
just like in the nineties, I don't think that we
(12:14):
really had the you know wherewithal to be like call
the police, you know, like no, we just put.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Up with it.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Kind of you know, Yeah, it's the way it was.
It is the way it was. It is the way
it was. Okay, so we see you and Carrie.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
This is at the beginning, So Carrie is she's writing
about you from the top of the show, which I love.
I love that you're such a strong, strong presence throughout
the whole plot of this episode. Like, this episode does
an incredible job of storytelling because everyone has a great
plot and then we also have you and it's very
full circle and present, which I love and I think
(12:50):
is to Michael Patrick's credit that he was able to
get all that in so quickly.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yes, So she's writing about you. She says that she
sees you twice a year, and we meet you out
in the world, and you're telling a very funny story
about he You fall asleep on a plane and you
wake up because you you are into Kashmir and you
fly to Italy and you tell a very funny story
about a flight atcenter trying to wake you up at
the plane had already landed, and it's pretty funny.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
I think I was drinking on the plane and I
took a hel.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Oh my god, yes, house on which I'm just like, wow,
House yon.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
If I were married to that guy, I would need
to take house yeon.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Then you take her back to the apartment, you give
her this adorable birthday gift, and you guys make some
very funny jokes about Kashmir, and we talk about Barney's,
which is so sweet, I know, and you say that
this kashmir would cost nine hundred dollars at Barney's. And
then she asked if she could trade it in because
she could really use nine hundred dollars, and you're like, sure, which.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Is so nice of you.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Nine hundred dollars exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
And you talk about the kash miracle.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
It's a kash miracle. Yeah, you call it a.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Kash miracle exactly. I love it so much. But then
your husband comes home. No, he wakes up, Yes, oh god,
he's on London.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Time, right, that's right, wakes up. He says, I'm on London.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Chibe, and then he shouts at Carrie, which is kind
of scary.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah, get the out of here.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
But she doesn't seem she's just kind of like okay, like.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
She handles it beautifully.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
She passes him and says a good night, grumpy or
something like that. And that's what triggers him to say
get the out, so he's abusive to her too.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Right, And then later on she goes, maybe it wasn't
the best choice to go the meanie or whatever something crazy,
and I'm like, yeah, maybe not, Carrie, get out, get
out run.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Carrie goes home, and then Carrie's musing in her way
and her voice over about maybe that's your foreplay, which
I'm like, like, oh lord, have Marcy. Let's hope not.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
But then you call and you're so sad and embarrassed,
which is sweet, and I feel really felt really bad
for you.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
And then you're you're kind of being along and then.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
You ask Carrie if you should leave your husband, yeah,
which is that scary moment.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
And I loved her response.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
She says, if you're not happy, life is too short,
if I'm remembering correctly, yeah, and then she says she
also says not if things aren't going to change.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
That's true. It's good advice.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
It was great advice, and she took it for a few.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Days exactly, And that's the scary part.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Then. So the topic of the episode is offering relationship
advice to friends, which is always very delicate.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
For sure, what do you think.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
I guess it depends on how conscious your friends are,
you know, if your friends are somebody that you know,
and if it's not going to put the person in danger.
But I guess yeah, for me, i'd rather someone be
honest with me than be careful.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I think that's great, that's really great. I mean I
think also it's going to be relating to you know,
how far back does your friendship go, you know, how
what are the kind of parameters of that friendship? Because
the thing that's a little unclear, Like at the beginning
of the episode, you know, we say very clearly that
Carrie sees you twice a year, right, but yet you
(16:12):
seem to have kind of a very intense friendship, which
is nice, and you ask her, you know, should I
leave my husband?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
What do you think Carrie?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
And maybe you asked her this because she's a sex calumnist,
but it is interesting because it's a delicate thing. And
then so cut to all of us at the coffee
shop discussing whether one should give relationship advice. And I
think it's Samantha who's like, no, no, now you're going
to be blamed, which I think she says that basically,
which is kind of funny. And then Charlotte says that
(16:41):
you should be able to say anything in a relationship,
but wait, that's with your partner.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
That's not I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And then Samantha disagrees and says that because she's still
with this man who has small you know, you know what,
and she's all unhappy about it, and I have to say,
I'm just amazed that she's still with him. Like, I
did not remember that this storyline went for multiple episod
so it's across two seasons. It's kind of amazing that
Samantha really what.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Was he called egg rollman or spring roll man?
Speaker 1 (17:07):
He's like the gurkin. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I think there's a lot of weird food names we
have for him.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
It's a little crazy.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I mean, she got out a little hot dog when
we went to the baseball game, and you know, just
doing all kinds of things, and she goes to therapy
with them in this episode. It's very interesting. I had
not remembered all this, and good for her that she
really tries, you know, good for Samantha because obviously it's
a big sacrifice on her part, or a little sacrifice
or a little good one.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Momly good one, Molly.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Oh, then Miranda is dating the spring Roll guy, yes,
which is also yes, he's the spring Rold guy. But
I don't know why he's the spring Roll guy.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Because she met him out in front of her office
at the food truck.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Thank you, Mollie paid more attention than I did.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Good for you, I mean, and this is this is
Neil Pepe who plays this part, and he's so great
and I had forgotten how involved this is.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
And I think this is one of the first times.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
I'm not sure, but I think it's one of the
first times where so she tells us at the table, oh,
I'm you know, Springwel guy, and Carrie seems to know
about him, but we don't.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
And so we flash back.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
And we do this a lot as the seasons go
on and the episodes go on, because sometimes you can't
show the whole, the whole relationship, you know what I'm saying,
So you flash back to catch up, and you know,
these flashbacks of the sex is. We do this a
lot going forward, and it's a good way to get
it all in there. So they she just to catch
us all up. I guess we have a flashback to
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the scene where they're first having sex and he's talking dirty,
but she's not right.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
She can't do it back right.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
He wants her to talk dirty and she can listen
to dirty talk, but she can't participate.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
And then and he's kind of demanding, He's like, you
do it?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
How do you feel? You know, what do you want?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Right?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
He's pretty relentless, but funny also, and then she says
to us, you know, because sex is not a time to.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Chat, which is cute. And then I have this really
crazy thing that I do.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
You were great, you were a good driven talker. Yeah,
you got right in there.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I know I got right in there, but I did
it in such a weird Charlotte way.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
You know, like you were right into it. I know.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
It's a very funny thing about Charlotte where everyone's like, oh,
she's the prude.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
She's the prude, she's the prood, just like you got.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Right down on it and you were like, sometimes men
just you know, need a little encouragement.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I know, I know, and she's not wrong, but it
is pretty funny to hear her saying these things. But
you know, at least at least she helps Miranda out
because it comes in useful later on. All right, So
then we go back to Carrie and she's writing and
she says, was Miranda right, have we put such.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
A premium premium on being.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Open and honest with one another that we've misplaced the
boundaries of propriety? Are there still certain things in a
relationship one should never say? And I do feel like
this is also Michael Patrick and Darren.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Darren wrote this one.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Both of them I think, have included criticisms from critics
for the first season into the writing. So the first
episode is when Miranda gets up and says, like, oh
we ever.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Talk about is men and sex? I'm leaving so.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
We could talk about something different, which was a big
criticism of the show in the beginning, Right, Okay, why
are all these women just sitting around talking about men
all the time? And then in this episode are there boundaries?
Because people I remember in the beginning, people said, oh,
this isn't how women talk, which I don't think is true.
I do think women talk about these things together. I
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don't know if they use all the same words that
we use in the show.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
You know, right right, well, we're not doing a documentary,
you know, We're doing a comedy.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Definitely, definitely. But you know how critics are right, they
don't care. They're going to find something.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
We're all failed actors. Oh did I say that?
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Oh my, I love it. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
It's okay, it's okay. But I think it's really funny
to see because I had kind of forgotten these moments
where I think that they're kind of putting in, like
the things that people wanted to throw stones at us about,
Like I'm.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Just going to use it, you know, which is smart.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
And so now we get the montage of regular people,
which we still have, which I didn't really realize continued
this long into the second season, and so different people
are complaining about their friends and their partners, which is
kind of funny topic intimacy and it's different meanings in
a relationship. What does intimacy meaning in a relationship? Is
it more physical or emotional intimacy? Interesting questions here? Then, Oh,
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this is when it gets all complicated with you and Carrie.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
So we're at the market.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
You guys are walking around, you're eating a lot, which
is interesting.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah, we were at ABC Carpet and Home I love.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Oh wow, No, so many years ago.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
I mean, what what was that nineteen ninety nine. Yeah,
and it was the original ABC carpet when you know
now it's a modified version.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
And they had a candy section.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Wow, and they were like just go just go around
and pick up candy and eat as.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Much as you can. And I was like, oh, you know,
it's hard to eat and be funny and not look like,
you know, an animal.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
So that was very great.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
You take after take with my mouthful of like chocolate
covered pretzels and like you know, sugar dipped fruit.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I was like, it worked.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
It was hilarious and fun to do.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, that's great. I love that.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I do think people have asked me like, were you
guys really eating? I'm like, yeah, obviously we're really eating.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Yeah we were. I was really eating and that.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, we've got lines like we can't we can't stop
and not really eat. And I think also they were
very into us really eating. Like you know, they were
always like at the coffee shop, if you didn't take
a bike, they'd be like, take a bike, why aren't
you takeing a bike?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Talk? Yeah, but it does make it so much more real. Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
So I think you're really funny here because you're just
like on a rant kind of, but you're also stuffing
your face and walking through the door, which is very
challenging as an actor.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I have to say, you're really.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Good, and you're basically telling carry that you have in
fact left your husband.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
And that uh, he says this horrible thing to.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
You, that he pities you, your character student, Sharon, because in
a year he'll be remarried and you'll be single the
rest of your life. And then Carrie's voiceover says, yes,
I didn't want to tell her that this is true.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
And then you say you thank her for your hair advice,
and you tell her that you feel free.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
And then I asked her to sleep over.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yes, and she's like okay, and like it's so funny.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
It's so funny.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
When you're over there, he says, we know that apartment
is not that big, but it's kind of adorable.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
It's kind of door.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Okay, now I think this is, oh Charlotte's apartment. This
is when you see Henry the dog. This is so cute.
This is my hallway, which I remember being so excited
to get because in the beginning I just had two
flats that they would like move around for whichever way
they needed to shoot the camera in my bedroom. So
now I have a hallway. I can walk down the hallway,
I can look in the mirror. I'm like, so I
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feel like you're looking up.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
She walks in and we see her dog, Henry.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
You think she's got a new man, but in fact
she has a little Jack Russell or rat Terrier. I
don't know, not a good dog breed choice for Charlotte,
but she's gonna make it work, right.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
And I remember that dog.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
That dog was adorable, and we had the sweetest dog
trainers back then. And I have like such early like
flirtations with Charlotte and dogs, which obviously came to be
a very very prevalent part of Charlotte's character. But I
love dogs, so I was always really into it. So
this dog, Henry's there, and until Charlotte finds the perfect man,
she's gonna have the perfect.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Dog, which is cute.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Then we have to go back to Samantha with this
poor guy James, and I just feel so bad for
that actor.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Ooh, I wonder what happened to him? We should take
him up. Yeah, it's very cute. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
But so James confront Samantha about the fact that they
haven't had sex, I believe in like a month or
something like this, though they're still together, and she says
she's tired and she doesn't want to have sex, which
of course the whole entire audience knows is not true
at all.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Right, she was trying to be nice until she couldn't
be anymore exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
The therapist agreed with her.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I know, which was really funny, and I remember her
so well. There are moments that don't remember at all,
and there are moments that I remember like they were yesterday.
And that therapist she was such a great actress. She
was great, hilarious, hilarious, hilarious.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
So then we go so we check in with Samantha.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
This is when, also from just a structure perspective, this
episode is the first episode where I really feel like
all this plots are working really well independently and also
take right, Like everyone has a great plot, but they're
all kind of braided together and we bop tail apartments,
which is what we continue to do. But this is
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the first time I really feel like it's working well.
So we go to Samantha's apartment. She's still trying with James.
We go to Miranda's apartment, this dirty talk situation continues.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
It's really adorable. Yeah, it gets better.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Miranda tries and then he gets really turned on and
then she's she like leans into it real hard, and
she seems When I look at Cynthia in these scenes,
I think and I have to ask her that she
had done a play in between first and second season
where she had to wear a wig, and so she
buzzed her hair really short because it made the wig easier.
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And I went to see the play and I was like, Cynthia,
where's your hair? She was like, ah, I buzzed it,
you know, Cynthia. And I was like, but they might
have some feelings about that, you know, at work when
we go back, like, you.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Know what, care?
Speaker 1 (26:59):
She didn't editor her mind. So her her hair is
like this long, and it's kind of dark.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, it's like quite uh punk rock.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, it wants to be punk rock, and you can
tell they're trying to make it almost in a weird
eighties like, but it's really just sticking straight up. It
makes me laugh so hard. But I also feel like
she seems so innocent, in certain ways, like when they're
in those big close ups of her face when she's
trying to talk dirty.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
She looks so young.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
It was it's so brave. It was so brave. I know,
it's kind of a fearless actress.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
She is a fearless actress.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
And it's so funny.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
And it's also like, if you think about where we
were in time, it's sing great.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Well.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
She was so endearing because she was authentically freeing herself
because one of the lines in that scene is she says.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Cock cock cock cock cock.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
She laughing and she goes, oh, that's so fun to say.
Why couldn't I say that before? And it's very sweet
and innocent and very endearing because she just breaks the spell.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
It's just a word. Yeah, right, it's how you want
to use it.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, She's just so great. She's so great, Like those
scenes so great. So then we got to my apartment
and you guys have come over, which is adorable, yes,
And it's such a cute shot from a funny angle,
like from the dog's pov of us sitting on the
bed and I'm trying to make him do tricks and
he's not doing the tricks, and you guys look very
displeased with me.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
I did not want to be there, non Charon wanted
to get.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Home, definitely.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
She wants to get home her codependent husband to call.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
That's right, which is kind of sad. This is a
little sad moment for sharing. And it's also funny because
the phone right, like, you have to get back by
the landline for himself. Yeah, no cell phone people. Oh
my gosh. So even though you've left and you felt free,
now you're really wanting him to call, which I think
is kind of sad but also very you know, very real,
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and you're kind of slightly defending him, which is also
you know, it seems like Carrie doesn't really know what
she should say or shouldn't say, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
You were the tough one in that scene. I asked
the dog. I'm like, Henry, what do you think? And
the dog goes to bite me, and then you pull
the dog back and you say he's a dog, not
an oracle.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Which is a good one. That's a good one. I
like it. I like it. So then we go back
to Carrie's.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
And you are like in a weird passed out position,
which is really funny when the flowers come, do you remember.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Yeah, they had me lay upside down on the chase.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, because there's nowhere to sleep.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
And I was snoring. They were like snore and I'm
like really, They're like, yes.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
It was fantastic. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
So someone's at the door, which I also think is funny.
There's been there were people in watching and just like
that who criticized a time when character comes up to
Carrie's door and buzzes the buzzer because you know, like
in New York you have the buzzer down on the
street to let someone else's true, and sometimes we don't
do that, but I think we don't do that for time.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Right, So somebody in the apartment let him in.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Right, because like I mean, he's still buzzing. It's not
like she just opens the door, which would not be
very in New York at all. But who has the time,
you know, to buzz and then wait and then you know, nobody. Yeah,
it's a lot of work.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
We have to move it along.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Right, There's a delivery person coming to Carry's apartment and
we are now it carries birthday. So when we start
the episode, you're giving her an early birthday gift, the
cashmiicle sweater. And now it is actually Carrie's birthday and
she's getting a delivery of very glamorous red roses and
the card says best wishes on your birthday, and somehow
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she knows that this is from Big, which is kind
of entertaining to me.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
And cut to the coffee shop. This scene I remember
like it was yesterday.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I Charlotte talks about the grand gesture, that this is
a brand gesture after the breakup, right, and this is
very romantic, very romantic, very Charlotte, and I think, very
true to life. Yes he's trying, Yeah, yeah, let's look
at the positive he's trying. And then Miranda and Samantha
(31:17):
do not think that this is the grand gesture. And
I kind of get their points as well, like if
it was a grand gesture, he should have written more
on that card.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Well, Samantha says she should have given her jewelry. That's
really that's what counts as the grand gesture.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
I don't know that I agree with that, because I
always feel.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Like diamonds are not a girl's best friend.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Well, it can be like bribery or whatever, like a
weird dreaming sure, but.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I'd rather get bribed with jewelry than roses.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Would you, Okay, yes, I always feel like jewelry. If
jewelry is being given in a in a i'm sorry
type situation, I don't know. I'm like, nah, I don't
want to be bought, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
You can. You can pull a carry and trade it
in for the.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Cash, exactly, exactly exactly. I would rather like an emotional
like like the way if someone were wanting to apologize
to me, I would want like a card that had
some emotion in it that would.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Let me let me know when you get that.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I will, Molly, I will.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
You're right.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
It's a big it's a big it's a big ass.
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
So Charlotte, I have Henry with me at the coffee shop,
which I also remember. This was a little challenging because
the coffee shop is always a very very long day,
and I remember having the dog and trying to shoot
the dog out, you know what I mean. And at
one point Charlotte leaves early, which was to get me
and the dog out, I think, And the dog is
now trying theoretically to chew on purses because I tell
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them that he's already chewed on shoes, which is of
course the beginning of the end of my relationship with
this dog.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
That he's trying on the shoes.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
We have to have a line in the sand.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Totally, totally. So we're at the coffee shop. I get
up and I say that that he's misbehaving, and I
go and then we're at care and Carrie's wondering again.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
She does a lot of thinking in this episode.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
If Charlotte is right, was he saying I was wrong
with the gesture?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Now?
Speaker 2 (33:09):
I mean, really, Charlotte is giving Big a lot of
credit that he was saying, I'm as I was wrong,
because I don't really think that's what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
I don't think so at all.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
So then Carrie calls Big, Oh yeah, this was big mistake. Mistake, Yeah, big.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Mistake, big mistake, because once you let him back in, ooh,
you don't know what he's going to say.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
And so she calls him. I mean, I get it.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
She's being polite, she's calling to thank him for the flowers,
and of course she's calling him to open that door
back up right.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Absolutely more than the door, yes.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
More than the door, I know what you're saying. So
then of course she's like, he says, oh, what are
you doing for a big day? And she says, Oh,
We're having a party at Laylah I believe it is
a Leila yes and restaurant, and she goes, you should come,
and then she's like, ah, you know, I know, And
then he says, oh, I might have to bring someone,
which really seems horrible, like it's going to be a girl.
And I literally had the thought like, is he going
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to bring Bridget? Like is you know, the future missus
Big already in the picture. But thank god, no, I
was wrong. No, I was like, when does this all happen?
Because I don't really remember all the details, you know.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Then, oh, so we're.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Left with Carrie having invited Big to her birthday and
he's theoretically going to bring a date, which is about
the worst scenario possible. Then we have to go to
the therapist office with Samantha.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Mmm mmmmm. I mean I was like, this.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Poor poor Samantha, the least place she would probably ever
ever ever want to be.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
No, I mean you can imagine that she would.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
She liked to one night stand.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Totally or just generally good sex right like in whatever
doesn't totally good sex is good and very important.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I'm looking for this. Oh it's Marilyn so called. She's
doctor Velma.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
She's really good, amazing into me, yes, into me c.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Very good, very good.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
She's really nice too, really really nice. And I feel
I almost feel like she comes back at some point.
But maybe she just came to the parties and we
hung out with her. I don't know, but she's really
nice and she was great. So they're at the therapists
office and poor Samantha, all she wants to say is
that this person's you know, member is too small, but
she has to say everything.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
But so they're talking.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Around around why they're not having sex and the therapist
and she says it. Then she just can't hold it
back anymore. When they talk about coming back to therapy,
yes to.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Me, I'll see your same time next week. And now
that's it. Man.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
They push Samantha too far.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
She can't hold her mouth anymore, and she says that
it's just too small for her, and he, of course
is more very mortified. Yes, good word, and he leaves,
and then the therapist is like, I feel you basically,
I hear that, I hear that very good, good memory,
and I'm relieved. I'm frankly relieved that this poor man
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is like freed from this situation and that's America.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Yes, it was a win win.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
I can't even really believe that she hung in there
that long.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Oh now, now we go back to Danio Beeppe, and
I mean, I just love these scenes so much. So
now Marian is just like talking and talking and talking,
and then she he's they're they're at post coital and
he says, you know, what do you what do I like?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
He's like, what do you like? And what do I like?
Speaker 2 (36:39):
And you know, it's kind of hot, and she's talking
about all the different things. And then I don't even
know if I'm going to be able to repeat this,
but she basically says something that she thinks he likes
and that is not okay to say out loud, so he.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Gets weirded out. There you go, And man, was the
writing brave incredibly.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
That was a shocker, definitely, And I remember at the
time being like, oh, you know, like, what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (37:08):
And then we say it again at the dinner table.
We totally about it at the dinner.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Table, I know, very freely, very really interesting.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Also, who knew that was the one thing you couldn't
say exactly. I love it and I love this whole
the dinner and I remember these dancers.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
I remember the Moroccan restaurant.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Do you remember, Yeah, beautiful, very sexy.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
And so game, you know, because they were like, you know,
get right up next to Chris, you know, do this,
do that, and he's.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Putting them money in there.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
And it was so hard for him to remember. He
was really suffering. Yeah, it was very difficult for Chris.
He was really upset about it. Remember that he yeah,
I have like a time out.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
I don't remember that.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Yeah, he was very sad, like he was like, I
don't know if I can keep doing this, having these
beautiful women belly dancing in front of me.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
And we were like, come on, Chris, you could do.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
And Willy is here.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Willy is here with us, which is so nice. I know,
Willy looking so young and beautiful.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Just a beautiful man, beautiful actor.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Such a beautiful man, beautiful actor, beautiful human being.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yes, and when we go back in time and look
at him, oh, it gets me every time.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
It's okay, it's okay, I mean this is the beauty
that we live on film.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Rh there he is, yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Mean it seems like one hundred years ago sometimes and
then sometimes not, Like I remember those girls like it
was yesterday, and I remember we were there for quite
some time during the scene.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
That was a long day.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Yeah, probably into the night.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Yes, a lot of barbe hamas.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Oh and you're my mister mister was it? What do
we call him? He's so mad?
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Is he? Mister? Mean to me?
Speaker 4 (38:50):
He was so mean to me, Oh my god, like
got me turned on. That was like my dirty talk
Susan Sharon. She was just like, what did you say?
Could you say that again?
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Louder?
Speaker 1 (39:02):
I know, I was really nervous. I was really nervous
watching that that you were gonna like it.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
It made me want to go home and be with
my husband.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
I was glad that you chose your husband over mister marvelous.
Oh really yeah, because to me.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Mister marvelous, because every time we see him, I think
this is the second or third time we see him,
he's like, you know, I just left some bitch.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
At least I didn't have to give her my money.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
This is like all he Ever says is so toxic.
But I mean, your husband is also scary. But we're
already missing him. We know you're already missing him, So
I mean I had a lot of feelings watching that. Okay,
oh oh, I talk about Harry my dog Henry, Henry
not Harry.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
We're not to Harry yet.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Where Henry is a big love bug, which is kind
of adorable, doesn't pan out, but then thank god, big
shows up and he does not have a woman with him.
He has mister Marvelous with them, toxic man. But Carrie's
so happy that it's not a woman that she like
hugs him and you can see big spaces like wow,
I didn't think she liked mister Marvelous. I don't think
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she does, but she's happy that he's not a date.
And then you're there and you're talking to mister Marvelous
and he tells her do you ever just shut the
fuck up? Which is kind of scary, And that was
the moment where you're like, wow, I really miss my husband.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
I really miss my husband.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yeah, I'm glad that it comes full circle and that
the dog that I go home to find has been
a very messy and bad boy.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
And has hooped in your hallway and and you know that's.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Not okay, that is not okay. But I'm really happy
that he finds a good home with you in the.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Hub where all three of us can be dysfunctional together.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Definitely, And he seems like the child you guys needed.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
There you go. Everybody gets what they need.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Exactly exactly right, they say.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
The Carrie voiceover says that the dog Henry is the
glue that brings you and your husband back together. There
you go, And you guys look pretty happy on that couch.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
We did.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
We were actually we had a fun time.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm so glad.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
And now we're back on the New York street and
at the like the end of that night, and Carrie's
walking with Big. And I was very impressed with Carrie
in the scene because Carrie previously has not had a
lot of cover with Big, right, but she lets him
get in the cab and go, even though he looks
back at her. You know what, I'm sure he's hoping
that she's not gonna let him get in here.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Because he offers her a ride home, right, she says, no,
I'll catch a.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Cab right, and then he tries to give her cab fare,
which is.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
A little weird, really weird, Like she says, no, thank god,
she's not a child, you know.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
What I meant it.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yeah, she's got it, thank god. And then he goes
to get in his old town car, which is so charming,
and looks back at her and she just lets him go.
So I was very proud of Carrie there. I thought
that was really good.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
That was a beautiful ending too, because the camera it
was like a crane shot and it lifted way up
into the sky and you just see her like really
small in her red dress making her way through Manhattan,
and was very inspiring and heartbreaking at the same time
because you wanted them to be together, but you were
so proud of her that she she didn't get sucked in.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Definitely, most definitely.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
And it's also I love anything where in the olden
days when we would film the streets because they.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Look old and different.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
I mean, you know, like doesn't look different. Doesn't it
look different to you?
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Moly? New York is I don't even know New York anymore.
Right when I go back, it's a totally different city.
I mean right, It was so gritty and sexy and
fun and spirited.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
And all the artists have left. I know, they all
be passed out by banks and CBS.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
It's like it's a totally different city because all the
artists moved to Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
That's true, Yes, that is true.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
That is when you go to Brooklyn, it feels like
old New York to me.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Definitely. Most definitely like.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
I lived in Chelsea for like thirty five years and
like the meatpacking district, actually the meatpacking district, like it
was full of rats and rats of beef.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Like that's what I remember. People like want to go
dancing in the meatpacking district.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
I was like, what, I know, dancing and shopping. It's
crazy rats and you know.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
And you could smell you could smell the meat.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
You could smell the meat.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Yeah, I remember too, It is crazy.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
I know.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
That's why I love I love the When we do
get a nice wide shot of the streets, it's so evocative,
you know, like you can remember what it was like
back then and how empty it looks, really empty, you know.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
Yeah, well because they probably shot it at you know,
four in the morning.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Oh, no doubt, no doubt, because there would have been
twenty million people, had they not? So, you guys, it's
been so much fun talking to Molly Price, and I
really wanted to talk to her a little bit about
coming on too, and just like that. So we're going
to have another episode where we talk about all the
things that went on and when Molly came back to
see us on and just like that, and so listen
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later this week.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
All right,
Hi.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are you
a Charlotte.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hi, Mollie, Hi, Kristin, Yes, and you're here.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
The great Molly Price, who plays Susan Sharon, a fan favorite.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
It's so funny to see you with your hair, and then.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
To have watched the episode back and I was like,
oh my god, moll you just have the dark hair.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
I realized it when I watched it. I realized I
had just done a Woody Allen movie and Uma Thurman
was one of the leads in the film, and they
I'm complimenting myself right out of the gate. Kristen Wood
(00:47):
He was worried that we looked similar now, so they
had me dye my hair black wild. So when I
did Sex and Sex and the City, my hair was black.
I'm normally like a you know, like a chess, and
I go into blogs. Right when I watched the episode again,
I was like, oh my god, my.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Hair was black.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, it was really dark. Yeah, yeah, I love your
hair like this. It looks so great.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
It's that or gray. So I'm going until I'm brave
enough to be gray.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I mean me too, but I'm just keep in the
dark till I'm brave enough to be gray. But you know,
this is where we're at, right, Okay. So it was
really really fun to look back at this episode because
to me, I would have thought that this episode was
much later in the series. But as I'm rewatching the show,
a lot of the things that I think of as
being like kind of like important moments or things that
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people remember were much earlier in our in our seasons
than I thought. And this episode is one of them.
It's called The Awful Truth I Believe, Yes, right, And
it's written by Darren Starr, directed by the great Alan Coulter,
who I love so much. And it's such a fantastic episode.
And you are so great in it.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Oh that's so nice. Thank you. I had a blast
doing it. It was much fun.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Did you know I was nervous? Were you?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Oh? My god? I was terrified? Why? Why? Well? It
was such an iconic show.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
It was the beginning of the second season, and it was,
you know, the talk of the town. It was you know,
sex and the city and the sopranos were all the rage.
And I remember auditioning and I was so nervous in
the audition and I just thought we'll use it, you know,
just ride that you know bill Esper, you know, yeah,
I don't know if your audience knows that you and
(02:30):
I went to college together.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Absolutely, yes, let's tell them Molly and I went to
college together.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
You guys believe this?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And could I just say it's always so amazing to
work with or to get the pleasure of working with
someone who trained like we did, because there just aren't
that many of us.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Like, it was a small school.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
It was a really small school, and we were really
early on in that in that evolution, and it you know,
it didn't last long.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
What was he there? Bill Esper was there for what
ten fifteen years?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Right? And now I don't even think they have BFA
at all.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
No, hey, they only have a right.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
So we were part of of really kind of a
magical program that was very hard but great where we
studied with an amazing teacher named Bill Esper. We were
at Rudcerds University, but we were a small part of
the Wreckers called the Mason Grove School of the Arts
in beautiful New Brunswick, New Jersey, which is so crazy
(03:23):
to think about. Like, I met Mollie probably when I
was nineteen.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I want to.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Say, we were kids, little kids, little kids trying to act,
and here we still are.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Yeah we are. Okay, that's Bill.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Thanks Bill, Yes, thank you Bill, thank you Bill in heaven. Okay, yes,
thank you for remembering that. It's so crazy to think
about it. And also, just just to make sure we
go full circle, Molly also came onto and just like that,
which was so great and so perfect. Yeah, so so
perfect to have you come to a big event, which
we'll get to later, but let's go back in time.
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So we were very nervous in the audition, and you thought,
use it. So you use a little Bill, a little
Bill magic.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I just remember you know, the you know working you know,
we were Miisner trained actors, and you work truthfully off
the other person. And I was nervous, and I thought, well,
this is a woman who would be nervous, right, She's
in an abusive marriage and she's afraid of her husband,
and how would she be in these scenes. And you know,
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she had left her husband in the episode and moved
in with Carrie, and so I.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Thought, just use it, and I did.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
And I just remember them laughing like out loud in
the audition and I'm thinking, Okay, this.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Is going this is going well. Yeah, but.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Just if I can flash back even prior to the audition,
Like two years before my audition, I remember getting a
call from my agent and he said, there's this audition
for this HBO and you know, HBO kind it didn't
even really exist.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I was like, what HB?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
What HB Studios And they said it's an audition for
a show called Sex in the City.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
And like, I'm a recovering Catholic, so as soon as I.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Heard the word sex, I was like, oh, shite, I can't.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
I'm not you know, taking my clothes. I'm not You're
going to have sex on camera?
Speaker 4 (05:19):
And then he and then he said it's in the
auditions in Queens and I was like where because I was,
you know, a very stuck up Manhattan night and I
was like Queens and he was like yeah, and can
I tell you this. I did not even go on
the audition because I was so like for CLEMP that
I had to go to Queens to audition for there
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was a Silver Cup Studios. Yeah, and I was like,
I'm not going to Queens to audition for the Earth.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Wow. Wow, wow wow. I love about that.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I mean, I do think it's it's so it's It's
one of those things though that I can fully understand
because I remember the anxiety that we all had about
the sex sexuality section part of it, and even you know,
not being a recovering Catholic, I still was super nervous about,
you know, my mother seeing it and my grandmother seeing it,
and we had a lot of nerves about what we
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were talking about, but also like what were they going
to show because it really was no precedent for our show.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
There was nothing to compare it to, and that comedic
part was.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Not really necessarily clear and kind of confusing right until
everyone saw it. You know, Yes, yes, but I do remember,
and I mean, I'm sorry that you did an audition
because you would have been amazing.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
But I get it.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Because I remember my own I think because I knew Darren,
I was able to talk to him about it, and
he talked to me about Candice, and I was able
to look her up and have like a little bit
more kind of context of what he wanted to do,
and I knew that he wanted it to be funny.
Though Darren really didn't have a track record of writing comedy.
So he was so smart that he brought to Michael
(06:55):
Patrick pretty soon, who you know, was sitcom and stand
up and all of those things.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And I think that's what made it work back then.
But I do also.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Remember everyone being like, you know, outrage.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Like women talking about sex.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, yeah, it sounded like, you know, it was like soft.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Porn exactly exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
But what is interesting too to think back in terms
of I also remember, I don't know if you listen
to the podcast, but when I had Cynthia on, we
talked about going to our first fittings on Long Island
City in Queens where silver Cup was and both of
us getting lost. I ended up in tears. She's you know,
hardcore New York to the fact she got lost, and
because they used to expect us to just take the
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train to work in the beginning before, we had a
whole little fit about it.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yes, we were like where are we?
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Where are we if we only lived in Manhattan, you know,
even when everybody moved out to Brooklyn like fifteen twenty
years ago, I was like.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Where, what? Why? Really? Right, clearly I clearly missed a
lot of calls.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, oh, a lot of mild zones, but I get it.
I also remember myself when we got out of college.
When I moved first, I lived in I still lived
in in New Brunswick.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
For a while. Then I moved to Hoboken.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
So you'd have to take the Path train and you'd
have to give back before the last Path train. And
I remember when I was auditioning, the auditions would just
be everywhere, like uptown on the East River, down town,
like I did not know where the heck I was
half the time, you know.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Yeah, And I remember like, yeah, that's when there was
still like phone.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Boots, which is in this show. It's so yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
I remember I lived in Hoboken too. I lived on
ninth in Garden. Wow, I remember, you know, you'd have
to take a change of clothes and so many I
changed my bathrooms in New York City to change my
clothes to play a hooker, to play a lawyer, to
play you know, a mother, and I'd have my bag.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
You know, definitely crazy good old days.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Shut the good old days totally totally.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
It made us tough. It made us very tough, I think,
you know, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, So I want to get back to this part
because I had remembered Susan Saron obviously as being great.
But when I watch you back, I mean, I think,
I think so many great things. I think that number
one and why I love to hear your audition story
is that it's hard to make this funny. You know,
like you're in an abusive relationship, right, and you make
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it funny.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
It's kind of impressive.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Well again, I think I said, I'm a recovering.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
Catholic, got it? It connects.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yes, I understand comedy and abuse.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yes, yes, Oh my god, I'm glad you said that
and I didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
But it's really good and it's also I'm curious just well,
I'm going to be specific in a men about the episode,
but when I watched this, one of the things I
love about rewatching the show is to think about what
is similar now and what's different now about relationships, about
the way women talk about our thoughts and feelings about
relationship things, and your husband in this show, the character
(09:55):
is so awful.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, and now we would be calling the police. Are
I scared?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
But we make jokes and Carrie's like, maybe that's just
there for play.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
You know, it's crazy, isn't it. Did you think.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
That I mean it's not untrue, I guess is what
I would say. I mean there is some sort of
codependency involved in those relationships.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
I mean, you know, you only know what you know, right, And.
Speaker 4 (10:22):
If you grow up in a household where people yell
at each other and are verbally abusive to each other,
it becomes normalized. And unless you do work on yourself
and you're like, oh, that's not really healthy and I
want to change that, you live out your life the
same way that you watched other people live out their lives. So,
I mean he was terrible, but at the same time,
(10:44):
I will not remember that actor's name. He was funny,
and they cast it in a way that it could
be comedic because he was much shorter than I was, right,
and so that made it funny right right now? And
you know, maybe the dog is what brings them back together.
Maybe they just you know, that was cute. We're missing something.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Right, I think, is it? Is it Neil Jones as Richard?
Is Richard your husband? I think, yes, yes, Neil Jones.
I thought he did a fantastic job.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
He was he was amazing.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Yeah, I mean he really he really goes for it.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
And I think That's also partly why it is funny
is that it's not it's not like subtle exactly, it's
like really leaning into that, you know.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
But he was comedically, his presence was comedic.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
It's true for sure that he was shorter than me
made it, I think made it digestible.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, you're not so scared for he was.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
A big, looming presence.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
You might be like, ikes, but I was, you know,
three inches taller than him. So I think in the
casting that was very insightful of them to allow the
audience to relax into it and not get their shoulders up,
you know.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Definitely, definitely, definitely I did have my shoulders up watching
it though, but I knew it was gonna end fine.
But it is just those funny mom moments, like earlier
in the first season we have the Gabriel Marck characters
filming himself having sex with models and not telling them
and then talking about how you going, yeah, make out
our project out of it, Like those moments where you're
just like in the nineties, I don't think that we
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really had the you know wherewithal to be like call
the police, you know, like no, we just put.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Up with it.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Kind of you know, Yeah, it's the way it was.
It is the way it was. It is the way
it was. Okay, so we see you and Carrie.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
This is at the beginning, So Carrie is she's writing
about you from the top of the show, which I love.
I love that you're such a strong, strong presence throughout
the whole plot of this episode. Like, this episode does
an incredible job of storytelling because everyone has a great
plot and then we also have you and it's very
full circle and present, which I love and I think
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is to Michael Patrick's credit that he was able to
get all that in so quickly.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yes, So she's writing about you. She says that she
sees you twice a year, and we meet you out
in the world, and you're telling a very funny story
about he You fall asleep on a plane and you
wake up because you you are into Kashmir and you
fly to Italy and you tell a very funny story
about a flight atcenter trying to wake you up at
the plane had already landed, and it's pretty funny.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
I think I was drinking on the plane and I
took a hel.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Oh my god, yes, house on which I'm just like, wow,
House yon.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
If I were married to that guy, I would need
to take house yeon.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Then you take her back to the apartment, you give
her this adorable birthday gift, and you guys make some
very funny jokes about Kashmir, and we talk about Barney's,
which is so sweet, I know, and you say that
this kashmir would cost nine hundred dollars at Barney's. And
then she asked if she could trade it in because
she could really use nine hundred dollars, and you're like, sure, which.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Is so nice of you.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Nine hundred dollars exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
And you talk about the kash miracle.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
It's a kash miracle. Yeah, you call it a.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Kash miracle exactly. I love it so much. But then
your husband comes home. No, he wakes up, Yes, oh god,
he's on London.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Time, right, that's right, wakes up. He says, I'm on London.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Chibe, and then he shouts at Carrie, which is kind
of scary.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah, get the out of here.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
But she doesn't seem she's just kind of like okay, like.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
She handles it beautifully.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
She passes him and says a good night, grumpy or
something like that. And that's what triggers him to say
get the out, so he's abusive to her too.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Right, And then later on she goes, maybe it wasn't
the best choice to go the meanie or whatever something crazy,
and I'm like, yeah, maybe not, Carrie, get out, get
out run.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Carrie goes home, and then Carrie's musing in her way
and her voice over about maybe that's your foreplay, which
I'm like, like, oh lord, have Marcy. Let's hope not.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
But then you call and you're so sad and embarrassed,
which is sweet, and I feel really felt really bad
for you.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
And then you're you're kind of being along and then.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
You ask Carrie if you should leave your husband, yeah,
which is that scary moment.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
And I loved her response.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
She says, if you're not happy, life is too short,
if I'm remembering correctly, yeah, and then she says she
also says not if things aren't going to change.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
That's true. It's good advice.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
It was great advice, and she took it for a few.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Days exactly, And that's the scary part.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Then. So the topic of the episode is offering relationship
advice to friends, which is always very delicate.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
For sure, what do you think.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
I guess it depends on how conscious your friends are,
you know, if your friends are somebody that you know,
and if it's not going to put the person in danger.
But I guess yeah, for me, i'd rather someone be
honest with me than be careful.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
I think that's great, that's really great. I mean I
think also it's going to be relating to you know,
how far back does your friendship go, you know, how
what are the kind of parameters of that friendship? Because
the thing that's a little unclear, Like at the beginning
of the episode, you know, we say very clearly that
Carrie sees you twice a year, right, but yet you
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seem to have kind of a very intense friendship, which
is nice, and you ask her, you know, should I
leave my husband?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
What do you think Carrie?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
And maybe you asked her this because she's a sex calumnist,
but it is interesting because it's a delicate thing. And
then so cut to all of us at the coffee
shop discussing whether one should give relationship advice. And I
think it's Samantha who's like, no, no, now you're going
to be blamed, which I think she says that basically,
which is kind of funny. And then Charlotte says that
(16:41):
you should be able to say anything in a relationship,
but wait, that's with your partner.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
That's not I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And then Samantha disagrees and says that because she's still
with this man who has small you know, you know what,
and she's all unhappy about it, and I have to say,
I'm just amazed that she's still with him. Like, I
did not remember that this storyline went for multiple episod
so it's across two seasons. It's kind of amazing that
Samantha really what.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Was he called egg rollman or spring roll man?
Speaker 1 (17:07):
He's like the gurkin. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I think there's a lot of weird food names we
have for him.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
It's a little crazy.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
I mean, she got out a little hot dog when
we went to the baseball game, and you know, just
doing all kinds of things, and she goes to therapy
with them in this episode. It's very interesting. I had
not remembered all this, and good for her that she
really tries, you know, good for Samantha because obviously it's
a big sacrifice on her part, or a little sacrifice
or a little good one.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Momly good one, Molly.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Oh, then Miranda is dating the spring Roll guy, yes,
which is also yes, he's the spring Rold guy. But
I don't know why he's the spring Roll guy.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Because she met him out in front of her office
at the food truck.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Thank you, Mollie paid more attention than I did.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Good for you, I mean, and this is this is
Neil Pepe who plays this part, and he's so great
and I had forgotten how involved this is.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
And I think this is one of the first times.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
I'm not sure, but I think it's one of the
first times where so she tells us at the table, oh,
I'm you know, Springwel guy, and Carrie seems to know
about him, but we don't.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
And so we flash back.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
And we do this a lot as the seasons go
on and the episodes go on, because sometimes you can't
show the whole, the whole relationship, you know what I'm saying,
So you flash back to catch up, and you know,
these flashbacks of the sex is. We do this a
lot going forward, and it's a good way to get
it all in there. So they she just to catch
us all up. I guess we have a flashback to
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the scene where they're first having sex and he's talking dirty,
but she's not right.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
She can't do it back right.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
He wants her to talk dirty and she can listen
to dirty talk, but she can't participate.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
And then and he's kind of demanding, He's like, you
do it?
Speaker 1 (18:59):
How do you feel? You know, what do you want?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Right?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
He's pretty relentless, but funny also, and then she says
to us, you know, because sex is not a time to.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Chat, which is cute. And then I have this really
crazy thing that I do.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
You were great, you were a good driven talker. Yeah,
you got right in there.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I know I got right in there, but I did
it in such a weird Charlotte way.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
You know, like you were right into it. I know.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
It's a very funny thing about Charlotte where everyone's like, oh,
she's the prude.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
She's the prude, she's the prood, just like you got.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
Right down on it and you were like, sometimes men
just you know, need a little encouragement.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I know, I know, and she's not wrong, but it
is pretty funny to hear her saying these things. But
you know, at least at least she helps Miranda out
because it comes in useful later on. All right, So
then we go back to Carrie and she's writing and
she says, was Miranda right, have we put such.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
A premium premium on being.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Open and honest with one another that we've misplaced the
boundaries of propriety? Are there still certain things in a
relationship one should never say? And I do feel like
this is also Michael Patrick and Darren.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Darren wrote this one.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Both of them I think, have included criticisms from critics
for the first season into the writing. So the first
episode is when Miranda gets up and says, like, oh
we ever.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Talk about is men and sex? I'm leaving so.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
We could talk about something different, which was a big
criticism of the show in the beginning, Right, Okay, why
are all these women just sitting around talking about men
all the time? And then in this episode are there boundaries?
Because people I remember in the beginning, people said, oh,
this isn't how women talk, which I don't think is true.
I do think women talk about these things together. I
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don't know if they use all the same words that
we use in the show.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
You know, right right, well, we're not doing a documentary,
you know, We're doing a comedy.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Definitely, definitely. But you know how critics are right, they
don't care. They're going to find something.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
We're all failed actors. Oh did I say that?
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Oh my, I love it. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
It's okay, it's okay. But I think it's really funny
to see because I had kind of forgotten these moments
where I think that they're kind of putting in, like
the things that people wanted to throw stones at us about,
Like I'm.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Just going to use it, you know, which is smart.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
And so now we get the montage of regular people,
which we still have, which I didn't really realize continued
this long into the second season, and so different people
are complaining about their friends and their partners, which is
kind of funny topic intimacy and it's different meanings in
a relationship. What does intimacy meaning in a relationship? Is
it more physical or emotional intimacy? Interesting questions here? Then, Oh,
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this is when it gets all complicated with you and Carrie.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
So we're at the market.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
You guys are walking around, you're eating a lot, which
is interesting.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah, we were at ABC Carpet and Home I love.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Oh wow, No, so many years ago.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
I mean, what what was that nineteen ninety nine. Yeah,
and it was the original ABC carpet when you know
now it's a modified version.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
And they had a candy section.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Wow, and they were like just go just go around
and pick up candy and eat as.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Much as you can. And I was like, oh, you know,
it's hard to eat and be funny and not look like,
you know, an animal.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
So that was very great.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
You take after take with my mouthful of like chocolate
covered pretzels and like you know, sugar dipped fruit.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I was like, it worked.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
It was hilarious and fun to do.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, that's great. I love that.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I do think people have asked me like, were you
guys really eating? I'm like, yeah, obviously we're really eating.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Yeah we were. I was really eating and that.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, we've got lines like we can't we can't stop
and not really eat. And I think also they were
very into us really eating. Like you know, they were
always like at the coffee shop, if you didn't take
a bike, they'd be like, take a bike, why aren't
you takeing a bike?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Talk? Yeah, but it does make it so much more real. Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
So I think you're really funny here because you're just
like on a rant kind of, but you're also stuffing
your face and walking through the door, which is very
challenging as an actor.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
I have to say, you're really.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Good, and you're basically telling carry that you have in
fact left your husband.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
And that uh, he says this horrible thing to.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
You, that he pities you, your character student, Sharon, because in
a year he'll be remarried and you'll be single the
rest of your life. And then Carrie's voiceover says, yes,
I didn't want to tell her that this is true.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
And then you say you thank her for your hair advice,
and you tell her that you feel free.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
And then I asked her to sleep over.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yes, and she's like okay, and like it's so funny.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
It's so funny.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
When you're over there, he says, we know that apartment
is not that big, but it's kind of adorable.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
It's kind of door.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Okay, now I think this is, oh Charlotte's apartment. This
is when you see Henry the dog. This is so cute.
This is my hallway, which I remember being so excited
to get because in the beginning I just had two
flats that they would like move around for whichever way
they needed to shoot the camera in my bedroom. So
now I have a hallway. I can walk down the hallway,
I can look in the mirror. I'm like, so I
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feel like you're looking up.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
She walks in and we see her dog, Henry.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
You think she's got a new man, but in fact
she has a little Jack Russell or rat Terrier. I
don't know, not a good dog breed choice for Charlotte,
but she's gonna make it work, right.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
And I remember that dog.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
That dog was adorable, and we had the sweetest dog
trainers back then. And I have like such early like
flirtations with Charlotte and dogs, which obviously came to be
a very very prevalent part of Charlotte's character. But I
love dogs, so I was always really into it. So
this dog, Henry's there, and until Charlotte finds the perfect man,
she's gonna have the perfect.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Dog, which is cute.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Then we have to go back to Samantha with this
poor guy James, and I just feel so bad for
that actor.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Ooh, I wonder what happened to him? We should take
him up. Yeah, it's very cute. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
But so James confront Samantha about the fact that they
haven't had sex, I believe in like a month or
something like this, though they're still together, and she says
she's tired and she doesn't want to have sex, which
of course the whole entire audience knows is not true
at all.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Right, she was trying to be nice until she couldn't
be anymore exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
The therapist agreed with her.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
I know, which was really funny, and I remember her
so well. There are moments that don't remember at all,
and there are moments that I remember like they were yesterday.
And that therapist she was such a great actress. She
was great, hilarious, hilarious, hilarious.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
So then we go so we check in with Samantha.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
This is when, also from just a structure perspective, this
episode is the first episode where I really feel like
all this plots are working really well independently and also
take right, Like everyone has a great plot, but they're
all kind of braided together and we bop tail apartments,
which is what we continue to do. But this is
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the first time I really feel like it's working well.
So we go to Samantha's apartment. She's still trying with James.
We go to Miranda's apartment, this dirty talk situation continues.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
It's really adorable. Yeah, it gets better.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Miranda tries and then he gets really turned on and
then she's she like leans into it real hard, and
she seems When I look at Cynthia in these scenes,
I think and I have to ask her that she
had done a play in between first and second season
where she had to wear a wig, and so she
buzzed her hair really short because it made the wig easier.
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And I went to see the play and I was like, Cynthia,
where's your hair? She was like, ah, I buzzed it,
you know, Cynthia. And I was like, but they might
have some feelings about that, you know, at work when
we go back, like, you.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Know what, care?
Speaker 1 (26:59):
She didn't editor her mind. So her her hair is
like this long, and it's kind of dark.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, it's like quite uh punk rock.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yeah, it wants to be punk rock, and you can
tell they're trying to make it almost in a weird
eighties like, but it's really just sticking straight up. It
makes me laugh so hard. But I also feel like
she seems so innocent, in certain ways, like when they're
in those big close ups of her face when she's
trying to talk dirty.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
She looks so young.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
It was it's so brave. It was so brave. I know,
it's kind of a fearless actress.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
She is a fearless actress.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
And it's so funny.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
And it's also like, if you think about where we
were in time, it's sing great.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Well.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
She was so endearing because she was authentically freeing herself
because one of the lines in that scene is she says.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
Cock cock cock cock cock.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
She laughing and she goes, oh, that's so fun to say.
Why couldn't I say that before? And it's very sweet
and innocent and very endearing because she just breaks the spell.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
It's just a word. Yeah, right, it's how you want
to use it.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, She's just so great. She's so great, Like those
scenes so great. So then we got to my apartment
and you guys have come over, which is adorable, yes,
And it's such a cute shot from a funny angle,
like from the dog's pov of us sitting on the
bed and I'm trying to make him do tricks and
he's not doing the tricks, and you guys look very
displeased with me.
Speaker 4 (28:33):
I did not want to be there, non Charon wanted
to get.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Home, definitely.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
She wants to get home her codependent husband to call.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
That's right, which is kind of sad. This is a
little sad moment for sharing. And it's also funny because
the phone right, like, you have to get back by
the landline for himself. Yeah, no cell phone people. Oh
my gosh. So even though you've left and you felt free,
now you're really wanting him to call, which I think
is kind of sad but also very you know, very real,
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and you're kind of slightly defending him, which is also
you know, it seems like Carrie doesn't really know what
she should say or shouldn't say, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
You were the tough one in that scene. I asked
the dog. I'm like, Henry, what do you think? And
the dog goes to bite me, and then you pull
the dog back and you say he's a dog, not
an oracle.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Which is a good one. That's a good one. I
like it. I like it. So then we go back
to Carrie's.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
And you are like in a weird passed out position,
which is really funny when the flowers come, do you remember.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Yeah, they had me lay upside down on the chase.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, because there's nowhere to sleep.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
And I was snoring. They were like snore and I'm
like really, They're like, yes.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
It was fantastic. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
So someone's at the door, which I also think is funny.
There's been there were people in watching and just like
that who criticized a time when character comes up to
Carrie's door and buzzes the buzzer because you know, like
in New York you have the buzzer down on the
street to let someone else's true, and sometimes we don't
do that, but I think we don't do that for time.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Right, So somebody in the apartment let him in.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Right, because like I mean, he's still buzzing. It's not
like she just opens the door, which would not be
very in New York at all. But who has the time,
you know, to buzz and then wait and then you know, nobody. Yeah,
it's a lot of work.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
We have to move it along.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Right, There's a delivery person coming to Carry's apartment and
we are now it carries birthday. So when we start
the episode, you're giving her an early birthday gift, the
cashmiicle sweater. And now it is actually Carrie's birthday and
she's getting a delivery of very glamorous red roses and
the card says best wishes on your birthday, and somehow
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she knows that this is from Big, which is kind
of entertaining to me.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
And cut to the coffee shop. This scene I remember
like it was yesterday.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
I Charlotte talks about the grand gesture, that this is
a brand gesture after the breakup, right, and this is
very romantic, very romantic, very Charlotte, and I think, very
true to life. Yes he's trying, Yeah, yeah, let's look
at the positive he's trying. And then Miranda and Samantha
(31:17):
do not think that this is the grand gesture. And
I kind of get their points as well, like if
it was a grand gesture, he should have written more
on that card.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
Well, Samantha says she should have given her jewelry. That's
really that's what counts as the grand gesture.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
I don't know that I agree with that, because I
always feel.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Like diamonds are not a girl's best friend.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Well, it can be like bribery or whatever, like a
weird dreaming sure, but.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I'd rather get bribed with jewelry than roses.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Would you, Okay, yes, I always feel like jewelry. If
jewelry is being given in a in a i'm sorry
type situation, I don't know. I'm like, nah, I don't
want to be bought, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
You can. You can pull a carry and trade it
in for the.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Cash, exactly, exactly exactly. I would rather like an emotional
like like the way if someone were wanting to apologize
to me, I would want like a card that had
some emotion in it that would.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
Let me let me know when you get that.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I will, Molly, I will.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
You're right.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
It's a big it's a big it's a big ass.
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
So Charlotte, I have Henry with me at the coffee shop,
which I also remember. This was a little challenging because
the coffee shop is always a very very long day,
and I remember having the dog and trying to shoot
the dog out, you know what I mean. And at
one point Charlotte leaves early, which was to get me
and the dog out, I think, And the dog is
now trying theoretically to chew on purses because I tell
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them that he's already chewed on shoes, which is of
course the beginning of the end of my relationship with
this dog.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
That he's trying on the shoes.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
We have to have a line in the sand.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Totally, totally. So we're at the coffee shop. I get
up and I say that that he's misbehaving, and I
go and then we're at care and Carrie's wondering again.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
She does a lot of thinking in this episode.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
If Charlotte is right, was he saying I was wrong
with the gesture?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Now?
Speaker 2 (33:09):
I mean, really, Charlotte is giving Big a lot of
credit that he was saying, I'm as I was wrong,
because I don't really think that's what he's saying.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
I don't think so at all.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
So then Carrie calls Big, Oh yeah, this was big mistake. Mistake, Yeah, big.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Mistake, big mistake, because once you let him back in, ooh,
you don't know what he's going to say.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
And so she calls him. I mean, I get it.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
She's being polite, she's calling to thank him for the flowers,
and of course she's calling him to open that door
back up right.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Absolutely more than the door, yes.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
More than the door, I know what you're saying. So
then of course she's like, he says, oh, what are
you doing for a big day? And she says, Oh,
We're having a party at Laylah I believe it is
a Leila yes and restaurant, and she goes, you should come,
and then she's like, ah, you know, I know, And
then he says, oh, I might have to bring someone,
which really seems horrible, like it's going to be a girl.
And I literally had the thought like, is he going
(34:13):
to bring Bridget? Like is you know, the future missus
Big already in the picture. But thank god, no, I
was wrong. No, I was like, when does this all happen?
Because I don't really remember all the details, you know.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Then, oh, so we're.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Left with Carrie having invited Big to her birthday and
he's theoretically going to bring a date, which is about
the worst scenario possible. Then we have to go to
the therapist office with Samantha.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Mmm mmmmm. I mean I was like, this.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Poor poor Samantha, the least place she would probably ever
ever ever want to be.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
I did not.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
No, I mean you can imagine that she would.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
She liked to one night stand.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
Totally or just generally good sex right like in whatever
doesn't totally good sex is good and very important.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I'm looking for this. Oh it's Marilyn so called. She's
doctor Velma.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
She's really good, amazing into me, yes, into me c.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Very good, very good.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
She's really nice too, really really nice. And I feel
I almost feel like she comes back at some point.
But maybe she just came to the parties and we
hung out with her. I don't know, but she's really
nice and she was great. So they're at the therapists
office and poor Samantha, all she wants to say is
that this person's you know, member is too small, but
she has to say everything.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
But so they're talking.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Around around why they're not having sex and the therapist
and she says it. Then she just can't hold it
back anymore. When they talk about coming back to therapy,
yes to.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Me, I'll see your same time next week. And now
that's it. Man.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
They push Samantha too far.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
She can't hold her mouth anymore, and she says that
it's just too small for her, and he, of course
is more very mortified. Yes, good word, and he leaves,
and then the therapist is like, I feel you basically,
I hear that, I hear that very good, good memory,
and I'm relieved. I'm frankly relieved that this poor man
(36:09):
is like freed from this situation and that's America.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Yes, it was a win win.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
I can't even really believe that she hung in there
that long.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Oh now, now we go back to Danio Beeppe, and
I mean, I just love these scenes so much. So
now Marian is just like talking and talking and talking,
and then she he's they're they're at post coital and
he says, you know, what do you what do I like?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
He's like, what do you like? And what do I like?
Speaker 2 (36:39):
And you know, it's kind of hot, and she's talking
about all the different things. And then I don't even
know if I'm going to be able to repeat this,
but she basically says something that she thinks he likes
and that is not okay to say out loud, so he.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Gets weirded out. There you go, And man, was the
writing brave incredibly.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
That was a shocker, definitely, And I remember at the
time being like, oh, you know, like, what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (37:08):
And then we say it again at the dinner table.
We totally about it at the dinner.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Table, I know, very freely, very really interesting.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Also, who knew that was the one thing you couldn't
say exactly. I love it and I love this whole
the dinner and I remember these dancers.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
I remember the Moroccan restaurant.
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Do you remember, Yeah, beautiful, very sexy.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
And so game, you know, because they were like, you know,
get right up next to Chris, you know, do this,
do that, and he's.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Putting them money in there.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
And it was so hard for him to remember. He
was really suffering. Yeah, it was very difficult for Chris.
He was really upset about it. Remember that he yeah,
I have like a time out.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
I don't remember that.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Yeah, he was very sad, like he was like, I
don't know if I can keep doing this, having these
beautiful women belly dancing in front of me.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
And we were like, come on, Chris, you could do.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
And Willy is here.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Willy is here with us, which is so nice. I know,
Willy looking so young and beautiful.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Just a beautiful man, beautiful actor.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Such a beautiful man, beautiful actor, beautiful human being.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yes, and when we go back in time and look
at him, oh, it gets me every time.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
It's okay, it's okay, I mean this is the beauty
that we live on film.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Rh there he is, yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Mean it seems like one hundred years ago sometimes and
then sometimes not, Like I remember those girls like it
was yesterday, and I remember we were there for quite
some time during the scene.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
That was a long day.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Yeah, probably into the night.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Yes, a lot of barbe hamas.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Oh and you're my mister mister was it? What do
we call him? He's so mad?
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Is he? Mister? Mean to me?
Speaker 4 (38:50):
He was so mean to me, Oh my god, like
got me turned on. That was like my dirty talk
Susan Sharon. She was just like, what did you say?
Could you say that again?
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Louder?
Speaker 1 (39:02):
I know, I was really nervous. I was really nervous
watching that that you were gonna like it.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
It made me want to go home and be with
my husband.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
I was glad that you chose your husband over mister marvelous.
Oh really yeah, because to me.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Mister marvelous, because every time we see him, I think
this is the second or third time we see him,
he's like, you know, I just left some bitch.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
At least I didn't have to give her my money.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
This is like all he Ever says is so toxic.
But I mean, your husband is also scary. But we're
already missing him. We know you're already missing him, So
I mean I had a lot of feelings watching that. Okay,
oh oh, I talk about Harry my dog Henry, Henry
not Harry.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
We're not to Harry yet.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Where Henry is a big love bug, which is kind
of adorable, doesn't pan out, but then thank god, big
shows up and he does not have a woman with him.
He has mister Marvelous with them, toxic man. But Carrie's
so happy that it's not a woman that she like
hugs him and you can see big spaces like wow,
I didn't think she liked mister Marvelous. I don't think
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she does, but she's happy that he's not a date.
And then you're there and you're talking to mister Marvelous
and he tells her do you ever just shut the
fuck up? Which is kind of scary, And that was
the moment where you're like, wow, I really miss my husband.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
I really miss my husband.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Yeah, I'm glad that it comes full circle and that
the dog that I go home to find has been
a very messy and bad boy.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
And has hooped in your hallway and and you know that's.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Not okay, that is not okay. But I'm really happy
that he finds a good home with you in the.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Hub where all three of us can be dysfunctional together.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Definitely, And he seems like the child you guys needed.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
There you go. Everybody gets what they need.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Exactly exactly right, they say.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
The Carrie voiceover says that the dog Henry is the
glue that brings you and your husband back together. There
you go, And you guys look pretty happy on that couch.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
We did.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
We were actually we had a fun time.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm so glad.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
And now we're back on the New York street and
at the like the end of that night, and Carrie's
walking with Big. And I was very impressed with Carrie
in the scene because Carrie previously has not had a
lot of cover with Big, right, but she lets him
get in the cab and go, even though he looks
back at her. You know what, I'm sure he's hoping
that she's not gonna let him get in here.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Because he offers her a ride home, right, she says, no,
I'll catch a.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Cab right, and then he tries to give her cab fare,
which is.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
A little weird, really weird, Like she says, no, thank god,
she's not a child, you know.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
What I meant it.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yeah, she's got it, thank god. And then he goes
to get in his old town car, which is so charming,
and looks back at her and she just lets him go.
So I was very proud of Carrie there. I thought
that was really good.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
That was a beautiful ending too, because the camera it
was like a crane shot and it lifted way up
into the sky and you just see her like really
small in her red dress making her way through Manhattan,
and was very inspiring and heartbreaking at the same time
because you wanted them to be together, but you were
so proud of her that she she didn't get sucked in.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Definitely, most definitely.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
And it's also I love anything where in the olden
days when we would film the streets because they.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Look old and different.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
I mean, you know, like doesn't look different. Doesn't it
look different to you?
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Moly? New York is I don't even know New York anymore.
Right when I go back, it's a totally different city.
I mean right, It was so gritty and sexy and
fun and spirited.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
And all the artists have left. I know, they all
be passed out by banks and CBS.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
It's like it's a totally different city because all the
artists moved to Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
That's true, Yes, that is true.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
That is when you go to Brooklyn, it feels like
old New York to me.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
Definitely. Most definitely like.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
I lived in Chelsea for like thirty five years and
like the meatpacking district, actually the meatpacking district, like it
was full of rats and rats of beef.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Like that's what I remember. People like want to go
dancing in the meatpacking district.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
I was like, what, I know, dancing and shopping. It's
crazy rats and you know.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
And you could smell you could smell the meat.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
You could smell the meat.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
Yeah, I remember too, It is crazy.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
I know.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
That's why I love I love the When we do
get a nice wide shot of the streets, it's so evocative,
you know, like you can remember what it was like
back then and how empty it looks, really empty, you know.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
Yeah, well because they probably shot it at you know,
four in the morning.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Oh, no doubt, no doubt, because there would have been
twenty million people, had they not? So, you guys, it's
been so much fun talking to Molly Price, and I
really wanted to talk to her a little bit about
coming on too, and just like that. So we're going
to have another episode where we talk about all the
things that went on and when Molly came back to
see us on and just like that, and so listen
(44:02):
later this week.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
All right,
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