The Write Stuff with Jenny Bicks... (S1 E8 "Three's A Crowd")

It's a tale as old as time, is it three's company or three's a crowd? The incredibly talented, Emmy-winning writer Jenny Bicks joins Kristin to talk in detail about her first episode of Sex and the City. Is it edgy, is it funny, is it sexy…Or is it just so awkward? 

Kristin opens up to Jenny and describes the ups and down and emotional roller coaster in regards to this episode.  Do good things come in threes?                                                           

Plus, Jenny Bicks reveals that she is a big BIG supporter as we discover that Mr. Big was previously married?  Does Carrie go too far in tracking down the ex Mrs. Big?

Note: Spoiler Alert about Big in this episode. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte? We're back to Are You a Charlotte
with an incredible guest, the one and only Jenny Becksia.
Thank you for having me. It's my pleasure. We're gonna
rewatch your very first episode that you wrote for Sex
and the City. It is episode one oh eight three.

(00:23):
Is a crowd an incredible episode written by you, directed
by the also incredible Nicole Hall of Center. So I
love this episode. I really didn't have a lot of
memories of this episode. I was like, what on earth
is happening? It's a bold first episode, Jenny. It's bold,
it is.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
It was bold, and yet it was you know, it
was of the time.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Oh my gosh, what so of the time. And I
mean we did touch on this briefly amongst ourselves, but
to me, it's the first time that the theme is
really run through all the characters in such a great,
great way.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, it's such a magical thing when you find and
kind of a sexual thing that also ties into exactly
what your characters might be going through at the moment.
And we had, you know, Carrie and Big were at
this point in their relationship where they were getting more serious,
and suddenly she learns about the ex wife, the other
third person, and so we're dealing with that at the

(01:19):
same time that Charlotte is dealing with the fact that
the man that she's betting or he's betting her. We
would never have used words like that. By the way,
betting wants to have a threesome. That's a fantasy, right,
and she's thinking about it.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
I know it that crazy shirlt Oh my god. And
also just side note, we have Lisa Emory right, incredibly incredible.
You all might know from Ozark, where she played a
very terrifying character. Yes, and in our episode here, she's
a sweet wife who gets cheated, all know, she gets
cuckolded and you feel so bad for her. But she's

(01:56):
very open and she's like, maybe if this would keep
my husband happy, we can have a threesome. And Samantha
is not having it. She's the guest star. She's the
guest star. So that this is a big part of
the theme that I want to talk about. We can
go see by scene, but also just thematically. When I
was watching it, because I didn't remember a lot of it, right,
Like I told you, already, but when when Charlotte does

(02:18):
seem like she might be going to have a threesome
with these people in a very romantic and beautifully lit scene.
I had a panic when I was watching this in
my bed last night, thinking why don't I remember kissing
these two people at the same time? Oh my god,
am I about to see what are going to do?
And it wasn't fact a dream it was. It wasn't

(02:38):
just like, how could I have blocked that out or whatever,
because I've never had that an you had your top off?
I did? How about that? And I can one tell
that I am in a panic because I stepped very
gingerly forward, which I know I'm just trying to be
right on my busk so that nobody cards are showing.
And then I very gingerly reached my hands out like

(03:00):
in a really odd way, and they take my hands.
I can so feel the nerves radiating takes such guts
well too, And I'm curious if you what your thoughts are.
What I remember, especially from the very beginning, was that
we all as a group, and I can't speak for everyone,
but we didn't know what was right or wrong for

(03:24):
us to show because we didn't really know what show
we were on, right, And do you remember that show
dream On that was on HBO where literally every episode
some random woman just shows her breast, right, We didn't
want to be that, right. We wanted to be like
for women, like for women to watch from the female gaze,
not like titillating. But also we are talking about sex,
and we didn't want to be fake. I mean, it

(03:45):
was a very awful it was.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
It was a fine line, yeah, And I think I
think what's great is because because we didn't show a
ton of nudity. Honestly, it was true to who what
the show was, right, right, which was we're not we're
not real sex on HBO. Now we're a show that
we're we're talking about it, but you but showing a

(04:08):
boob just for fun is not the reason people. People
aren't watching it to hope to catch a sight of
you know, full frontal nudity, right right, right, right, So
if they were, they were disappointed, exactly.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
And so if it was appropriate for the scene, you know,
it's been a little bit like like there was a
scene in the last word I want to say where
you see a little bit of my side boom and
I'm like, oh my god, I didn't even remember this, right,
Oh my god. I mean, of course, now you're like,
it's like my thing people.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Which was an episode I wrote you you did it.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
I know you owned it. Thank you. It was challenging.
But I'll tell you what I liked about that, and
I also have I mean, there are some times and
I said something earlier in one of the clickbaity situation
with the press these days is so stressful because you
say things because it's so intimate. Right, of course, I

(04:57):
did see something because there were some awkward times early on,
you know, with directors, not with you guys, but like
sometimes in the middle of the night when everyone would
have gone home, who wasn't in the scene, you know,
some director would want you to do something and like
even you know, the other actresses weren't there. You could
even go to them and be like help me. And
I would go log myself in my dressing room and
call my manager back in LA and be like, help me.
What do I do? The Mick I remember because we

(05:20):
had talked about it, you know, for some time, and
it was obviously a very very integral part of the storyline.
That was a very big important storyline, and because it
wasn't sexual, it's much easier to have some nudity in
a non sexual way than to in it like a
spiritual way. But the thing that I remember about that

(05:40):
is that the director and the DP and video village
had been set up because the ad let it happen
I'm not gonna name right now where I had to
walk and they were smoking cigars what mm. And it
was like hours because it was the wee wee hours
because took forever to go down to that tie set

(06:03):
that we'd built, right and I went to this a
D and I was like, uh, I'm trying to do
something here, like with our feeling self conscious, could you
possibly move all those guys? My god, I'm so sorry.
I know it's crazy back then what went on? Right,
And this is a show where we had so much power,
but we didn't have there were no intimacy exactly that

(06:23):
those did not exist in our business. No, And even
in a situation where you theoretically did have so much
power that all that stuff was still able to happen,
And then you had to be the bad guy and
go and say like they can't smoke their cigars literally
in my eye line when I did that. Anyone's smoking
a cigar. I'm pretty sure that's ill exactly. No, back

(06:44):
in the day, they remember on the Silver Cups soundstage,
we'd be there all night Friday night, and like it
would just be like a cloud of smoke. You know,
Sarah was smoking because Carrie was supposed to smoke. McGan
was smoking. I mean, so many people right, and you're smoking.
I can't see my mark, you know, I know, the
olden days, olden days. Anyway, back to the episode, but yeah,

(07:08):
a lot of crazy stuff went on.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Well yeah, but also I will say it was a
beautifully shot. That moment was beautifully shot.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Because it's in Charlotte's mind, right, so it's perfection. But
you had a romantic perfection. Looked beautiful. Thank you so much.
I'm so happy that I did it, because of course
at the time, you're like so stressed and stress and stressed.
Now you're like, oh my god, I should have just
been running through the town with my shirt. No, and
that's what we call clickbait. I know, ladies sometimes think that.

(07:38):
I do sometimes think that, but I remember having a
lot of stress about it.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
No, but I do think the other thing and Michael
talks about this a lot too, is that we always
wanted the sex to be almost like we never wanted
to be like like, oh, we're shooting a like a
soft porn like Red Diary kind of situation, right. But
I will say the music choices in my episode there
was like this jazzy kind of sex and music when

(08:04):
you're in bed with your boyfriend. I'm like, we would
never have done that after season one, for sure, we
would not. We would have counterpointed it more well.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
I think that's what was confusing about being an actress
in season one too, was because we didn't really know, right.
We weren't really sure what the tone was, right, so
we weren't really sure in the acting of it also,
and then sometimes we weren't around when the others were
doing their sex scenes, right, so, or their romantic scenes
or whatever it was, so we didn't know what they
were doing what I'm saying, So there was like this

(08:33):
kind of like checking in, like what what do you guys,
what do you think? What do you what are you doing?
Because like Cynthia, you know her, she's like I don't care,
you know, but she still hasn't there's she hasn't shown
much or whatever. And then Kim, I think at one
point already has but it was like kind of a
funny she like had a there's a humor kind of
about it.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
I think as long as there's either like the michpho
where you're in a situation is non sexual, right, or
if it's happening, it's for really good reason and your
counterpoint it with something so that it doesn't feel purient exactly.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
But that was the whole key to it, and we
hadn't really fully gelled on.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
I don't think we knew yeah, because also.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Not everyone was around all the time to discuss it
kind of in a thorough way, you know what I mean.
You were just like, what what did that one? Do?
You know? No one really knew, right, But what I
did watch the threesomething that I thought I was going
to about to have, I didn't remember, and then I
was like, oh, thank god, I've just dream But I
could literally tell that I'm just like like frozen as

(09:30):
an actress, Like I'm just going to take this tiny
step and then nothing will show, you know what I mean,
Like there won't be too much barand and they're alway
side boom. I'm just like just enough stepping, yes exactly.
But anyway, we digress. But I mean, there's the fun
things to think about, because I think that the way
that it developed and the fact that all of us

(09:51):
were there and had the same goal is why it
worked out and why we felt safe eventually, Like it
took a little so that we felt unsafe in the
me and we were just weren't sure right, like we
were checking in.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I just didn't know where the lines were exactly, and
it depended on the director what they wanted to do,
you know, and sometimes that wasn't necessarily in line with
what Darren and Michael wanted, you know, and then you
had to call people. Yeahs had to be made help
hel yes, yes, okay, So I'm basically I'm basically oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'm meeting the guy at the Benefits all the benefits

(10:21):
of the diseases.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
His name is Jack. You know, he's one of many guys.
In the beginning, Charlotte's just trying to figure out if
she can go with what he wants, and pretty quick
he seems like he brings up this threesome. I mean,
I guess we have the montage, so it's like there's
time has passed and I like, I really, this is
the first time when I'm watching that I feel like

(10:43):
Charlotte's storyline makes sense. Oh really yeah, Like before there's
the artist who paints her, which everyone's like, uh, she
agreed to this, and for me, I mean, I can
only assume. I think at the time, I just really
wanted someone to write a storyline for me, right, And
I was like, I'm going to have to roll with this.
And then I also think because it's about her gallery,

(11:05):
it's about art. So she's like, I'm going to do
what I have to do because she thinks she's landed
him as a client and need a big deal, right
and it's safe up in the woods, and his wife
was there, you don't, I'm saying, And she likes art.
She loves art because like when he asks her, one
are your fantasies? Loved it myself so hard. I just authentically, well,

(11:28):
I'd like to own my gallery. One It's like I
didn't mean that exactly, but then I also said that
I want a house in May, which you do have.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
I do have, which I love that yeah so much.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
So there you go. I love it. Did you want
that at the time. You know what's interesting.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
So I had spent my summers growing up there, so
my family had a house there. But I think I
always imagined I would have my own house.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Amazing.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
I didn't then, but now I do. I'm so there
you go, Just like Charlotte, I got certain.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Things Charlotte le dream go somewhere. Maybe Harry didn't share it.
We don't know. We don't know if well, I guess
we do. I think we would would. I think it
would come up. She found other Harry didn't. He probably
didn't want to be in Maine. There's a lot of ticks.
You know. He's got not like the bugs. He doesn't
like the bugs. He really really doesn't. It's still going on.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Okay, back to the show, way back, Okay, So I
have I get to have the thematic storyline, which is fun,
and I like that there's like a beginning, middle and
an end, and then also that there's such a great discussion.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yes, I love that discussion. And so I need some
clarity though, because sometimes people say things that I'm not
quite sure if I'm hearing correctly, Like basically sam is saying,
Samantha saying that you don't want to be the guest
star in the Three Cents. So you do want to
be the guest you don't want to be the guest
star because you don't want connections.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
You don't want connections. You don't want to do it
with like a good friend. You want to be like
you want to come in and out enjoy it and
get the hell out of.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Crazy that Charlotte's like, no, maybe I would want one
of my friends. But that's so Charlotte.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
She's like she would feel safe that way. It was terrible.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
If she tried to converse. Terrible, okay, just terrible in
so many ways, Like, oh my god. Anyway, I had
a moment of fear then too, because I was like,
I don't remember any of this. She's like, we did
try to talk her into it. Oh my god. I
was mortified. Thank god, I do not. But then poor Miranda.
I know, I know, it's so adorable. I remember this

(13:39):
at all.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
I know, and I love I really I love how
Cynthia played it through the episode so brilliant, like I'm
going to get to the bottom of this, and I'm
upset and I'm sorry I wasn't chosen.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
I am not upsetting, I know, and she's got this therapist,
which like, do you ever see this person again? I
don't think we did. Oh my god, he's an older
man and he's basically it's like, are you asking to
have a THREESOMEE?

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Right?

Speaker 1 (14:02):
It's so weird and funny, and it's such a traditional
looking therapy office where I'm just like, is this what
a therapy would look like in nineteen ninety eight in
Manhattan Knows?

Speaker 2 (14:11):
It was probably whatever set we had sat that we
could put up two flats, some books and some.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Books totally totally. And then I really love that scene
what she finds we're out of order, but I don't care, Gus,
we're following her story exactly. We're following Miranda. So when
she finds the couple and they're like, no one really

(14:36):
answers our ad who isn't and they don't want to
say it. Those actors are so great, they are so great,
They are so great, and they're so excited to have Miranda.
They're so excited that it's Miranda. And Miranda looks just
radiant right every way because she's been chosen.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
And the way Cynthia walks off at the end with
that kind of Oh good, she launts it with her
shoulders like.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
She's owning it. Powerful. I mean, she was powerful for
the get go. She had to remind her she felt,
you know, I mean, but like even when she's like
her inner strength is so apparent. Oh yeah, and I
love it so much.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Well, do I remember that I always loved my Miranda,
Oh which I was so upset when those quizzes would
come out and everyone's like, I don't like Miranda.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
It's like you, but that's me. I felt kind of
the same. Now.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Well no, thank god, thank god, thank god. But that
was a very hard you know, it's true.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
I mean, people also thought Charlotte was. They would say
that I was boring and that it was a prude,
which is hysterical when you watch it back.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Hello, Hello, you were not having half the sex that
Charlotte was.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
No, I was definitely no. I don't mean you, I
mean nobody but including myself. We're working on big time
working and I never was that, you know, she was
like out there, wow, in beect Miranda. Love that storyline,
really really love it so fun. But now help me understand.
At the dinner where we discussed it, when Charlotte's like,

(16:01):
this guy, once I have a threesome, what should I do?
And so Samantha's saying it's great, but don't be involved.
Be the guys start right, And then Carrie's saying, don't
do it if you don't want to do.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
It right, and then being supportive and saying it's a thing,
but you don't don't don't feel compelled to do it?

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Got it? And her storyline is more about the emotional
baggage of Big being married before and her knowing it. Yes, now,
can we discuss Big a little bit?

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Let's please, let's because I.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
You know, and some of these things made me laugh,
because you know, Charlotte was always pro Big, as we know, yes,
and I never questioned it. I feel that I also
was pro big. I don't remember ever having a thought
that wasn't pro big. I look back at it now
and the I'm like, why were we pro big? Oh?

Speaker 2 (16:55):
It's a mess, yes, But in this I feel like
I am like the original Big defender?

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Are you I do? Well?

Speaker 2 (17:04):
I'll tell you why, because what we wanted to play
was and we've all had this person in our lives
at some point, this relationship where it's very the chemistry
is there. You're drawn to this person and they're just
unknowable and ungettable enough to keep you going towards them.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Well, listen, you guys wrote that perfectly.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, and Big, I think had he wanted to get
closer to her at certain times and he did right,
And so I think what we did well was portray
that kind of where you've got this banter, you've got
this kind of chemical desire to be with each other.
It's not necessarily the healthiest, but it wasn't as unhealthy

(17:47):
as I think people.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
It was funny.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
I was talking to my niece who's twenty four, and
she said, oh, Big, it's just a toxic bachelor, and
I was like, wow, I think that too. When I
look back, I guess maybe he was. And maybe I
have a soft spot for the TX. I mean, certainly
at the time I was dating that kind of we
all were. So I think we were all playing and

(18:13):
it was like dashing and ungettable, like you could almost
get him and then you couldn't. Yeah, but it's funny.
When Julia and Elisa came on, they were like, we
don't get Big, we don't get it, we don't understand it.
We like aiden, and I was like, this is great,
this is why this works. Well, we can be and
the writers are having that discussion the same way the

(18:34):
audience will feel and Carrie will feel.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Well that's good. That's helpful. That's helpful.
So that was your goal, and you guys really really
did it. Because the other thing that I love about
it though, is that you know, it's very much from
the female perspective, right, Like we are with Carrie, right,
so you know when Carrie's spinning, you know, I'm also spinning,
like what is going on with him? And sometimes his

(18:57):
actions don't match his words and she tries to get
him to talk and he doesn't talk? Why doesn't talk? Mean?

Speaker 2 (19:03):
And such a good friend, like Charlotte was a really
good friend.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
She still is, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Mean she she's there for these women at times where
other people might not be.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
I mean, I think that's true for all four really
when you think about it. I mean sometimes Miranda does
actually say to Carrie like that dude is toxic, What
are you doing? Why are you going back? Or whatever?
You know, she's very's more blunt. She's like I'm going
to tell her what no one else is going to
tell her. And then Samantha is so non judgmental. Do
you know what I mean when in you know, the
best most powerful way, right, not like a lack of power,

(19:40):
like accepting a power like I'm not going to judge
you doing this exactly you do you? I want to
do me, this is what I do. I'm going to
do it. I'm not going to apologize, which is amazing.
And then Charlotte, God love her.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
You know now that I'm looking back on it too, like,
I don't know what I was thinking at the time
other than that, you know, I want to make this
work and I want to fit in right like, which
is also what I think Charlotte was thinking.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
But me as an actor, right like, I'm like, I'm
going to try to pull this off because I didn't
inside feel like I could pull off what they the
three of them who seem so powerful to me, you know,
I didn't feel that powerful, and yet she was and
it is yeah, really I do mean later maybe, but
not yet.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
I think, like all of those characters, she went through
an evolution, and I think she she does find these
moments later on yeah, where she stands up and says,
this is strong.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
No, you're right, You're right, right, for sure. For sure,
it takes a while, it takes what takes a while,
But I love the searching, and I do think that
that is really important. And there was a like later
on when she gets so didactic, right, and like tray
is it? You know, she can get lost in her fantasy,
you know, which I think is obviously so relatable. But

(20:52):
my question in terms of Carrie and Big, because we've
got Carrie, she's obviously so brilliant, so amazing, got so
much going on, right, But then, like you know, even
Valley of the twenty something guys, you know, she's just like,
I don't know, I need to be kissed. You know,
she goes that weird hole in the wall bar. You're
just like, where are we going? What is? It?

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Was?

Speaker 1 (21:14):
For sure a hole in the wall bar? Is I
mean it's insane, Like I don't even think those places
exist anymore? Right, And then she goes, I mean, who
wouldn't want to kiss him at the elephant? He's adorable, right,
And then she goes and then she wakes up there's
no toilet paper, and you know what happens, And then
Big is still there and the thing that I do
see about Big, and definitely like the justin Throw character
comes after that, and he's like, kind of ick, but

(21:34):
he's just in Throw, so I kind of like it.
But he's also kind of ick, right, But she's like, ah,
he's got his arms around me and you're very weird
and you went on a date with that woman that's
the episode before this. But then she ends up giving
Big another chance. Every time, right, she tries to get
him to communicate. He doesn't really communicate, but he also tries,
like he shows up to the park in the middle
of the night and the last up yeah, and then

(21:56):
this time he just very blithely says, you know, yeah,
I was married before and you could see her just
like huh, like to her, this kind of stuff is
super important. Information, right, is very important. And the last
episode two is when they go to that party and
that girl kisses him. He's like, you've got my passport,
and then the other guy introduces Carrie with by another
name it must be Julia or whatever. She's like, you

(22:19):
know how you know, and we Big never says what
he's actually doing.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
I will say this though, tell me it was the nineties.
It was a longish time ago now, and I think
a lot has happened with how men communicate now.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
You do, I do.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
I think there's much more pressure, and I think men
have risen. A lot of guys have risen to younger
guys have risen to the occasion and know that they
need to be communicative. Okay, But I would say back then,
I didn't know that many men, certainly that I was dating,
or that I knew who would want to have a like,
have a real conversation about the relationship, got it, because

(22:59):
that would been like, what why is you?

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Why do you want to talk?

Speaker 2 (23:02):
So like it was still a time where men saying
less was sexy and not withholding.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Now we all learned that was withholding, But at the time,
men weren't. You weren't having those kind of conversations.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
I never had any of the thoughts that I'm having
now then, And so I helped explain that. Yeah, Like
I was just like, of course she would one of
you with him because he has so much going on
and intelligent and successful, and she is intelligent and successful,
and she could do the crossword puzzle. You know that
he's doing. You know what I'm saying, Like there were
certain things that I could definitely understand, right, And obviously

(23:38):
the chemistry obviously, but I also feel like sir Justsica's
chemistry was like every man that you know, you guys
put in front of her, but he made her feel
something different. For sure. It was different.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
She felt early and she felt off kilter, which I
think for some women like that good point. They like
that because it makes them feel like, oh, this is different.
I don't know what is the right. I don't want
to be in charge all the time. I want this
guy to That's so good. Now that's not necessarily healthy, right,
but that's a good But she did end up marrying
him so later after many chapters.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yes, and they they also I feel too if I
look at the whole thing, and I mean, we'll see
as we go, right, but as much. And this was
so funny looking back at the first season. She tries
so hard to get into communicating, I mean so hard,
and he doesn't not but he also doesn't fully communicate,

(24:33):
like at the end of the episode before this, and
she says, they just want to stand still with you,
and he doesn't really answer her, but he puts his.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Arm dunder and stay yes and That's what I think
you have to look at is he's not a talker, right,
He's a doer, right. And look, Aiden was there for
her talk to her, and it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Right because he didn't really get her, right. And I
remember the engagement ring, right.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, I mean that was such a great that was
a great episode in it and kind of a great
thematically like, oh my god, you didn't get me, You've
never gotten me, right, And I do think that somebody's
big daughter. Yes, he just wasn't communicating.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Right, He wasn't He wasn't skilled in that, yeah, But
he was a doer. That's this is good, Jenny.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
This is I'm not saying anyone should be with a
mister pick.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
I'm just telling you our thought process. And I mean,
I do think it's important to think about the timing.
And that's why it's interesting to do this rewatch now, right,
because so many things have changed and so many things
haven't changed, right. So, like even for myself, and obviously
I was much much younger then, right, So I never
had any of these thoughts. Then I would read the script.
I would be just be like, of course she wants big, right.

(25:43):
I never thought like he's withholding never entered my mind,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
I don't even think we use that word in the
writer's I think we just interesting knew that he was
currently a little at arm's length with her, but she
liked it. Yeah, and that's what we were We's what
we were playing.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
That's important. That's important context. Thank you, Jenny, so weld
of it. Okay, now here we go, we've got montage
of threesomes. We also stopped doing montages soon. I mean,
it's so kind of funny how the different things that
we did, you know, and I do remember that. It's

(26:21):
like production wise, that was a challenge, Yeah, because you
had to get all these different people rounded up, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
And especially as time went on with the show and
the show became more popular, when the people who blessed
them would come and do.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
This, they were nervous.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
They were like, I'm on Sex and the City and
I have one line and I have to get it
right or I need to walk my dog from here
to hear.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
And yeah, you feel for them, so so funny. Okay,
we have this very kind of funny storyline of Samantha
sleeping with the married guy, which I also feel now
would not really happen like this in a show, no,
because it would not really be like, oh haha, isn't
that funny? Do you know what I mean? It would
be like that's gross and he's just talking guy's wife

(27:00):
just all the time, right off the bat. Yeah, like
my wife won't do this.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
I mean, it's bizarre, but she doesn't care. No, I mean,
you know, it's all fair game. I know it's super interesting.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
I mean, was there any pause in the writer's room
about Samantha in general?

Speaker 2 (27:20):
About Samantha, No, I mean not in any big way.
I mean sometimes we would talk about storylines that weren't her,
even if they were wild. You know, she still had
her morals and she still had her ego. But no,
you know, we knew she was the she was the id, right,

(27:44):
Like she was the one just going out there and
doing it and owning it, which and.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
You guys were just like, we're doing it and we
don't care what anyone says.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, I mean there was definitely there was pushback and blowback,
not not internally, but you know, once the show started airing,
and of course everyone said, that's not a woman, that's
a gay man. Right, which is so rude and and
so of the time as well. Right, like a woman
who owns her sexuality doesn't exist. Therefore, this is a man,

(28:14):
and this is a gay man. Why is it a
gay man? Why isn't it just a man? By the way?

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Rude on a bun. But no, we knew she was the.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
One we could rely on to go and and enjoy
life and make mistakes along the way because of it,
you know, fall on her face because of it. But
she she wanted to enjoy everything that life had to offer, which.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Is amazing to think about it. It's amazing that there
just aren't I mean even still now, it's not a
character that you see a lot. Now.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
I think that character would be judged more like in
a weird way, right, Like it would be like, oh,
what a slut? Right?

Speaker 1 (28:50):
I don't know. I don't know what the young people think.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
If they're not half as much sex as she did,
they're not, this is what I hear.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
I don't know. I hear tell you to find out,
Can you guys come on the Instagram and tell me? Yes,
we will come on the Instagram.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
We will come on the machine and put it in there.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yes, because it is really interesting to think about. Like,
on the one hand, I feel like at a certain
point there was like do what you're into, feel free,
But then I don't know if that really panned out.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
I'd like to think it made some changes. And I
think certainly women own their sexuality more now you too,
But I'm not sure that people are literally having as
much sex male or female.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
I mean, what happened with the apps, wasn't the app
weren't the apps supposed to help you if that's what
you wanted to Yes.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
And I think they do, Okay, but I don't think
people are are are so free, yeah, feeling so free,
so free or so yeah, but this is something that
we should investigate. I think we should investigate magnifying glass
and walk around like her cute parole.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
It's like, how much sex are you? You have a
question on a sexual around? I have questions? Right, And
Kristin let her know. Should we ask esther perel? I
love esther Perell? Ask her right?

Speaker 2 (30:01):
You should have her on the show.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
We should have her on the show.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
We should have done her.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Oh my god, that would be amazing. Okay, cool, let's
keep going with our with our rewatch. Okay, the therapy. We
already touched on this. That guy is adorable. And also
it's just very funny to me that Miranda, out of
all of us, is the one in therapy. Yeah, it's hysterical.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
She was, you know, trying to figure it out.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
We all were absolutely right. And then Carrie timid or
bad exactly exactly. I mean, you know, in the beginning
Charlotte's maybe she like, she just asked questions, should I
do this? Should not do this?

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Carrie did go to therapy though, when she met Bonchovi.
What you probably don't remember this episode? I wrote, games
people play, games, people play? She went, she met him
in the waiting room of her therapists.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Why did she go to therapy?

Speaker 2 (30:51):
She needed some therapy, she needed to talk some stuff through.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Well, for sure, I don't remember this too. And John
Joey comes in season two.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
We have some wild guest stars along the way.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Job but I would have said season six, no, I
know on Earth, Oh my god, I can't wait till
we get to let us morn. Oh my god?

Speaker 2 (31:15):
How about a Lettis Morris said, I know so much
fun working with Like, how lucky was I I just
remember coming to watch that day because Sarah was so nervous,
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
And I was like scared, but I don't think I
talked to her. I was too scared, too scared. She
was a very big choice for a big deal, I
mean huge deal. Okay, let's talk about Big and the

(31:49):
wife X wife. Yeah, let's talk about this because it's
super interesting to me. And I did not really remember
this so much.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
And it's something we you know, we introduced it and
then we never bring our again.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
I know, just kind of fascinated. It's kind of nuts.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
And that also rewatching. I remember that not only did
he not say it an ex wife, but the ex
wife doesn't tell Carrie that she knows that Carrie's dating Big.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
There's a lot of secrecy, which was.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Really interesting because she seems so kind of open.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
But she says to her at the lunch that they
have after Carrie's pitched her book that she doesn't actually
have right, She says, are you seeing anyone? And I
did think that that actress Noel, I believe it is
her game played it so well because I thought, does
she know?

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Right?

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Does she know? And she did, but she played it off. Now,
what do you think in terms of my producers were like,
why is Big still friends with his ex wife? And
I was like, why wouldn't they be? Right? They could
be friends right also because he cheated on her, but
he kind of is who he is and that way
that we were talking about, right, I mean, it doesn't

(32:57):
shock me, especially because they say it was a long
time ago, so that means in his twenties or something, right,
And then she's so beautiful and accomplished. I mean, it
makes so much sense in so many ways, especially because
we know.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Him's also going to carry hung yes just special Olympics,
Like what can't she do?

Speaker 1 (33:12):
And we know she he's going to marry another very
beautiful brute, you know what I mean, So it makes
it tracks right, right tracks. But I loved the inner
play between Carrie and the ex wife in terms of
they love each other, they have they hit it off,
you know, and I love Carrie. I mean she does
kind of have like a how to put it, it's

(33:34):
like kind of manipulative. I don't know how to put it,
but like it reminded me also and just like that
after Big has died. Sorry if I'm giving anything away
to sure, you know, but in case you don't. Later
on Big Dies. But spoiler alert terrible. I'm really sorry.

(33:55):
I'm really sorry we'll have to put like a spoiler alert.
But do you remember when Carrie to go find Natasha
BIG's other ex wife, Yes, and secretly goes down there
and we're all with her to support her. It reminded
me so much of that. It's so fascinating how specific
the characters are. And I don't know if Michael Patrick
was thinking back or not thinking back, like are they

(34:17):
is it conscious decisions? Like it's like when I sleep
with that hasidic Jewish artist.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
What a what a precursor, the total precursor, right, But
did we know that?

Speaker 1 (34:28):
I don't think we.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Thought of that as a precursor. Like I'd love to
say we were that smart that we were like, hey, I.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Don't, let's bring it back around. I just think the DNA. Yeah,
with the characters were like specific and alive, do you
know what I mean? And still are in a really
odd way. It's fascinating to me. Anyway. I loved this
this ex wife because I love the dynamic between the
two women carry and the ex wife, and then I
love that when Carrie goes back to him, she doesn't

(34:55):
really tell him, and he's like, what's wrong, which is
actually pretty topful of him, right, And then she says,
you know, and then he he didn't know. She doesn't
even say. He goes, I didn't say about my ex
wife because it was a long time ago. No, no, and
then she tries to get more info when he's like
kind of halfway giving it as he does. And then
they get in bed and the ex wife is there,
and Carrie says her voiceover about you.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Know, you're never alone in the bed because there's always
something that's been there before you exactly, which.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Is good, right, Jenny, Oh my god, is not brilliant? Right, yes, no,
you know what.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
It was a theme that worked really well because it
really was about how when you're in your thirties, it's
not your first relationship, it's not your first time at
the rodeo. They're gonna be people are coming with their baggage,
and some of that baggage can be an ex wife
or god knows what else, and you have to there's
always going to be someone there before you.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
You're not the first in no, and I mean, thank god, really,
thank god, thank god. You a lot of work.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
But then there's a lot of work to you know,
take all.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
The out I mean, especially they're not working on it. Yeah,
I think that's the thing. But she doesn't really say
that because I mean she's obviously Carrie's also not that
worked out. This I was gonna say.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
I would argue too, maybe this is incendiary to say.
I think Carrie is a little withholding herself, like, oh,
I think with with with big Like, I don't think
she wants to show how much she's falling for him.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
I don't think she wants.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
I think she's she's trying to be I'm cool, I'm here.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
That's what I see her do in the first couple, right,
she like especially with the Justin Threaux character, you know,
she doesn't she sees him on this date, which I
think totally doesn't make sense. I'm with Carrie on that, Like, right,
they've had this like incredible eight days together. She doesn't
even talk to us her friends, and then she goes
out with us on the first night she doesn't have him,
and there he is with a woman I would be

(36:47):
way mad and very convenient anfused. But then he does
his big thing and she's like, oh, I'm going to
a party, you know what I'm saying. And then she
calls him from the party on the landline, which is
also hysterical and just to throw She's like, he's wrapping
his arms around me. I mean, she definitely plays.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
The Yeah, she had some learning to do as.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
We of course, which I get. I mean I get
it in terms of she's doing the best that she
can do, you know, and she's obviously drawn to him
and doesn't really know what else to do. She does try, Yeah,
you know, she'll try and he'll like evade, So then
she does that. I get it, I get it. You know,
what are you going to do? You know, you try
your past. Yeah, they are kind of well matched in

(37:30):
that way.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
And that way I think they are, and they grew together.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
I get. Well, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Speak of landlines. How about the flip phone that Ken
the Mary guy has in that scene.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
History beyond is beyond.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I mean, that's a big deal that with flip phone.
Oh my god, I think I had a flip phone
that I had one.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Hundred percent flip phone and we were so proud of them.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Oh, look at these big they were size of bricks,
they were massive.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
But we have flip phones. It was cool to own them.
But you know, hey, Big has the car phone. It's
the joy every time that thing out. Oh my god,
I can't believe that.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
We never thought the show would be watched. Now, if
we did, a lot of things might be different.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
But I mean, how could we.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
We couldn't have know. We didn't have the time, We didn't.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
That's the joy. That's the great thing about film, and
also just it gives a record of like this, this
is what we were you guys.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
There was no texting, there was no sexting, there was
no no you had.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
To go find a landline at the club.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
That's why people could miss Carrie's birthday altogether.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
That's you know true, that's so true. Oh my god. Yes, Okay,
back to this thing. What am I supposed to talk
about that I haven't talked about. We didn't talk about
the incredible Lisa Emory.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Lisa Emory unbelievable. God, she is such an amazing actress.
But what she did with that, I mean, and by
the way, that's a very short like she has very
little to get across who she is and what she
wants and it's all there.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yeah, she so brilliantly. She's gonna fight for her husband.
It's so true. She's gonna have a three zomee Santha,
that's what she has to I remember a few years later,
we were still doing the show and we ran into
her Sin and I ran into her downtown and she
talked to us, but she had her regular blonde terror
and I was like, oho is that person? And so

(39:18):
he was like, she's on the show. You don't remember,
and I'm like, no, I don't know that. So Miranda
Red interesting. And then when Ozark came out, of course
I had just such a joy watching her and getting
her to really have just such an amazing and terrifying role.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
It's a terri terrifying role. And by the way, it's
kind of terrifying as the wife.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
She was a little terrible. I don't want it. Also sad, sad,
she's so good, and I think she'd done a play
with Sin by that time in between there. Anyway, she's
been in our lives in a lovely way. One of
those people where they're just such a great actor that
you're glad that they get a part that they can
actually like all their stuff. Yeah, totally, But it's so
funny to see her back in the day with us
in a red in a which I know, but she

(40:02):
really she makes that whole thing live. But that husband,
I'm just like, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
It was the least interesting of any of them.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
I mean, they all should have just said forget you,
let's go, Like you're like, why does anyone want to
fight with this dude? So sorry if I'm offending anybody
right now. Okay, then we get to the crazy masquerade ball.
What on wow? I mean so much to unpacked there,
I don't even know where to start.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Also, I like, it's a masquerade ball, but like really,
they're just little masks that you.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Pick off and put on your face. As the budgetacase
you're just on a staircase. There's a staircase, and then
like a weird.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Coat room and again then suddenly there's a little janky
bedroom upstairs.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
I know it like that does not have a budget. No,
it's sad, but I'm gonna I'm gonna apparently have a threesome.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
In that you were gonna have a threesome and then
you don't, and you do rewatching it. What you did
in that moment is I I would like to say
one of the first moments where I knew you could
really do comedy was the moment where you sit down
between them and they shove you slowly off the bed.
Not only do you land on the floor, you make
a decision to grab your mask and walk out.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
It's not just it's like I.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Have some dignity and I am taking my mask and
leaving it.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
And then that's how you perceive that. I am so
confused when I was rewatching that because A don't remember
it right, B What is actually happening, Like like I
don't understand exactly, Like is it the idea that people
say they want threems but they really just want to
have sex with someone else?

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Well that's what we were playing in Okay, okay, okay,
that is I'm not no judgment on those who have
three sums.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
I don't know what they're thinking.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
But in that case, it was this gal comes up
and then is kind of like I want to get
screwed by this guy?

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Got it?

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Or And I don't even know if it's that much.
As much as she leans and start kissing him, it
gets more, it gets stronger, right, and then suddenly you
are in this case, Miranda, you are shoved to the
floor which is just so Charlotte relatable, so funny, the
way the choices you made to make it.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
It was I'm like, are my shoes still on my feet?
That's what I'm thinking one of them, and they actually were,
because I was like, how am I going to get up?
I'm thinking just as an actress. Because also I think
I was worried about my skirt pulling up. There was
a lot going on thoughts when I rewatched myself right,
like is my skirt gonna pull up? Are you gonna
see my spanks? Like what's happening? Spanks? And bended yet?

(42:35):
I I don't even know, but I have panny hose
on week. Pat had not eradicated the panty hose yet,
which is very funny because that's coming like there's certainly
I think about it's the nineties, but like Pat, you know,
I remember when Pat was like no one will wear hoes?
Were like, what, it's a very Pat. I know it
was close. It wasn't fully close, but I remember there

(42:58):
was like strange elements and this is probably something I
shouldn't say. There were strange cult type elements about being
in that cast right right, where like well, no scrunches
some rules. No scrunchies, no banana clips.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
I'll never forget. I'll never I still can't when people
wear banana clips.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
I have one at home in my bathroom, and every.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Time you reach, every time you reach, even though you're alone,
and I'm.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Like, no banana clips, no one's gonna see me, turn
my back through. But also like like the little things
and they come slowly. They weren't all in the beginning, right,
But like no scrunchies, no bana clips, no hose unless
they were fish nets. You went through a whole fish
net phase. And if you could find double fishnets, that
was great, great, and if you could find nude double

(43:49):
fish nets even better, even better. Right, And then there
was a heel height situation, which it definitely takes me
a while to get on board with, all the way
to the Widower episode when she got me my first
pair of like one hundred and five milimeters manolos, But
it took that long for me to be able to
like functionally walk well things.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
And guess what I can't walk in now? All of
those minolas, all of them, listen, I mean, bless all
of us, so trying, we're doing it, but it's not
easy now.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Now, it's true, But then they escalated after that to
the so case. I just did a whole episode Jenny
and the so caates. Oh my god, why like why,
I'm barely able to walk.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
But they you know they are, they're sexy shoes, they are,
but just not to wage right now.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
But also, I'm trying to do this crazy stunt. You'll
see it, and just like that stunt?

Speaker 2 (44:41):
What what what part of the problems You can blame
your co star, Miss Sarah Jessica. But because she could
run in those things.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
She's still can't. She made it look so easy, right,
I know. So that was the thing you were trying
to live up to, Sara Juska. So the other rules
were that you always had to return borrow clothes, yes,
because we were so worried once did finally get anyone
to lend us clothes for personal or for the show.
If you didn't return, no one was going to lend
him again. And we really relied on that once we

(45:09):
got it going. Oh yeah, so, like I know, other
actors were like, what do you mean, you know, just
keep it. I'm like, oh no, you don't do that,
you don't. I mean, there's other rules I can't think
of right now, but like slowly the rules and oh
you only wore coast of Elogy strings, right, like so
many rules? Right? Don't we make a joke in one
of these episodes about Miranda doesn't even want to wear

(45:31):
a thong or something? I was like, oh my god, yes,
it goes about is it not taken.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Over in the in the coffee shop scene, right, she said,
you can't beat a three, so you won't even wear
a thong exactly.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
And you know what's funny is hearing that again? I thought?
Were we even wearing thoughts back? Guys?

Speaker 2 (45:46):
We were, like, I guess the beginning of it. It
was the beginning Darren. Darren gave us all thongs. This
is going to come out wrong again. Oh boy, I
can't I do it? Darn and Christmas Darren all not.
We did not give Michael thong, but all that ladies
which were actually would have only been at that time,

(46:07):
because I don't think it was this. It was season two.
Cindy and I were gift gifted. Yeah, Cosabella thongs.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
That was the thing, man.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah, you had to you know, they were expensive, I
mean they were. It might have been Lapela very expense
very nice, very nice.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
That's what we would wear if we had like a
fancy you know, like yeah, I mean we could go
down the list of like the approved brand and then
not approved and you know what I mean, Like it
was a lot.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
It was a lot man.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
You couldn't wear you know, you couldn't didn't matter how
cold you were, there's not going to be a functional coat.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
It was eternal spring. It was a turnal spring, no matter.
And you gals went through it. I mean that it
was a couple of seas seemed so far like and
you could see you, but.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
You had to somehow make it work.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
It's before we could afford to take it out. We
see you, you know, you're seeing people's breath and you're
standing there in a cute sun dress.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
I know, it's so crazy, so crazy the weird things
about acting, you know, I mean, it's the most incredible
job in so many ways, in the just weird technical
practical things. Sure, like you're up all night and you're

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having to somehow talk really fast and be funny.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yes, and you're on camera, this is not off camera.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
And you're walking five blocks down the village streets trying
to walk and talk while people are shouting at you
from cars. Well, you know, radio Man is over here.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
My god, Steve the paparazzi.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
God name Steve. Yes, don't say his last name. We
still deal with him, Jenny. We just put radio Man
in the show I saw, and no one told me.
Can I just tell you that no one told me
that they had hired radio Man to act in our show?
He should tell you that. So I come out, I'm
acting in the scene, and I'm like, radio Man's in

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the shot. I start that, I'm like, wait, can't you
guys see him? The cameras across the street and they
were like, he's supposed to.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Do you want to explain to Radio Man is real quick?

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Oh yes, of course, Thank you, Jenny, Welcome Voice of
the viewers. Radio Man is a very sweet man who
originally back in the day, rode his bike all over
Manhattan into the different burrows and looked at all of
the production notices in New York when you get a
permit to shoot any kind of film or television show,

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they have to put up a production notice so people
don't park on the street. Because we have to bring
all of our equipment and trailers and whatnot, and theoretically
even film on that street, right, so there would be
like our show cars they call them, We bring in
cars to put there so that we don't bump into
someone's car or whatever. So Radiman would go all over
town on his bike. I do not believe that he
had a home. And he would make it his personal

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business to know where all the products were going to
be the next morning, and then he would come back
and say hello. And when he came by to say hello,
he would also tell you all the other productions filming
that day and where they were. Why did we call
him radio man because he also had a massive radio.
He had like a boom box. We would call it
that that traveled with him on the bike.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
And then he still does it on a string around
his Oh my god, he had a string.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Yes, I don't think he does that anymore because he's
a little bit older.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
It's true, it's true.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
But the radio is in the shot of and just
like but he has a grocery cart. We gave him
a grocery card because the bike. I don't think, no,
I think see him on his bike.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
I think he's aged that way.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Yeah, but we do still see him. I think possibly
maybe he is in a better living situation. Now we don't.
He's not all the time there, which is actually good.
That's a little older, and he is a fixture. He's
a New York City intersture.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Yes, And that's where you have to love New York.
That some things don't change so much changes.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Sounds like the beginning of a voiceover it.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
I wonder which things change.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Everything in New York changes, but some things always stay
the same.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
It's so true.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
There we were in the meatpacking district where it used
to smell like meat. I mean, how about that the
opening of that episode where when the meatpacking district changed
and it really did.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Oh, it's nuts. Now every time I go, I'm just.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Like what Brooklyn? I mean now everyone lives in Brooklyn.
No one lives in Brooklyn.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
No one believes me.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
That's one of those the people are like, why did
you have a storyline about how no one lives at
Miranda in Brooklyn?

Speaker 1 (50:30):
In Brooklyn, can I tell you something funny? Second season
of And just like that, we were all in airbea Well,
I'm in airbnbs now, right, and not all of us,
just me and I rented one in Dumbo And I
was picturing Dumbo when we filmed there, right, and I
was like, what is this small? It's Disneyland. There's lights

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that say Dumbo. I was like, I'm still in shock,
you know, I did not know. I was like, where
you are? Tell me where the warehouses?

Speaker 2 (51:00):
They're back on our show. Yes, you can watch our
show and remember and see these things.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Right, Okay, wait the end scene of carrying big oh
and the wife is in the.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Back, and the wife is in the back the specter
of the wife.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
I love that scene too. That seems beautiful and we
pretty we love about that scene. It's it's on a
village street, but we haven't seen her stupid yet. No,
we have not, no, which is super interesting.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
It's very confusing where you all lived. And I mean,
I know we've you know, we always talk about this,
but this is one of those talk about lack of continuity.
But yeah, we're on the village street and it's the
village the way I remember that, like the way the
village was, and that street is still back.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
I mean, it still looks at me except for a
lot of people.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
We all have cupcakes, right, and buses exactly.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
And things like that, But that scene for me, I
loved I loved how in some ways open big was
that's right. He's the one who says, we just went
through this dinner and we talked like strangers.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
What's going on? Right? Good p calls her on it.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
She would have just said well, good night and been annoyed,
but he says, what's going on? And then she she
comes clean very quickly, right, And he comes clean pretty quickly, right,
and makes a joke which an offhand joke about you know,
being friends with all his ex wives, but I do
think and then they come back together, which I know
might be infuriating to people.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Now, I didn't feel that way. No, No, I didn't
feel that way. I felt more like, that's like saying,
you know, these are my faults, yeah, which everyone's going
to have, right, like, but I like you now widely,
he was more I felt like he was more present
and the veil was dropped a little bit. I don't
know if that's the right phrase to use for such
a dude, but you know, like the wall was down

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a bit, and he seemed kind of more like making
an effort and a little bit more vulnerable. And I
love the ex wife being behind him and then disappearing.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
And again, what a beautiful shot. Like on network TV,
you never could have done that moment where Nicole starts
to walk away and you and then you know, we
we we come up on it and she keeps walking.
It's like we're on it for a couple seconds longer
than we need to be and we just get to
do that to have that moment and not cut because

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you have a commercial, right right, right?

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Yeah, I never think beautiful so true. Yeah, I mean
it's funny because now obviously with streaming, the structure of
television has gone our way. But it's hard even for
myself to remember what the structure of TV proper was
before us and before HBS.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Not that it was not being able to spend that
and then we had like just freedom and to get
like specific shots right on her tree torns in this moment,
and you know, we got to do it.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Yeah, and it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
It was that's a beautiful well Nicole, she did a
great job directing that.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
We really did a beautiful job. She all did a
great job too.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Every week it was a good episode. It really was lovely,
what a great, great episode. I was so lucky I
was so lucky to be able to do it.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Lucky. Yeah, I know all of us are so lucky,
and it's so beautiful to look back on. And for
me obviously, like I said, I mean, I really just
remember being feeling like the first season was like a mess,
because I think I felt a mess, you know, and
just like trying so hard, like I was trying so
hard to fit in. I was trying so hard to
pull off these things and trying to figure out how
Pat wanted to dress me and could I do it?

(54:23):
And you're not saying like so many actor anxieties, right,
and like how is the sex being presented? And what
we're we doing? But also it was fun and it
was fun because we were together, and the relationship with
all of us off camera was also growing because we
were together going through this thing and we knew that
it was special. We didn't know what we didn't know
what it was, but it was just a special, special experience.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
And you say all these things, and what's amazing about
you as a performer is it didn't come through that way.
Really you might have been feeling that way, but what
it became for Charlotte was just this desire to figure
things out.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
That's true. That's true, and I mean some of it too.
I think, you know, like you can't always really even
separate yourself from the character you're playing, you know, and
the experience that you have on a set, because as
much as you are, of course a separate individual, you're
working so hard to figure that character out. And because
Charlotte was really very minimal in the beginning of the show, right,

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and we had to find her all together. And Michael
Patrick was like, I didn't know how I was going
to write for that character. I was like, oh, no,
I'm gonna have that character. And obviously he's done a
bang up Jo turns out, but you.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Know he on the face of it, he didn't absolutely
because I actually think and that's where I think I
helped a little bit, was that was my world that
I had grown up on the Upper East Side.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
I knew Charlotte's. I wasn't necessarily.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Exactly I saved the day. It's really what I'm trying
to say. I absolutely did not in this part.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Not putting those pieces together. That's the first time that
her storyline makes sense to me.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Oh well, that's I mean, maybe that was also just
a bit of luck of the draw. But I do
think I was able to shine a light on that
world a little bit so that it didn't just feel
like a satire exactly because it could be, and we
do satirize it in that episode to some extent, But
she's not there to be satirized, right, She's living, breathing
with a set of rules that she thought would work

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for her that ultimately didn't.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
All the best rules were not that they were crazy, No,
they were like, she's so open in a way that
I didn't even remember, Like I'm like, what am I
going to do? Oh my god, Oh my god. You know,
it's entertaining, it's entertaining and interesting to watch. But I
do think you're right and that all the characters were
much more formed than I even realized, you know what

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I'm saying, Like you look back and you're like, oh, yeah,
we are all there.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
We just but none of us knew in some ways,
like they were there and sitting there at that coffee shop.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
You can see it.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Yeah, they're all doing exactly they you as, these characters
were all living those characters, right, animatedly living those characters. Right.
We wouldn't for a little bit, right, until we look
back and go there they were right.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
It hadn't like gelled hard where we were like, yes,
this is what we're doing and this is how we're
doing it. But it was coming. It's coming, super interesting things.
Joy is it's so much fun. You're a joke.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
I could talk forever about that magic time.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
I'm glad we're going to have you back. You've got
so many episodes coming. Oh my god, how are we
going to choose which ones to happen? I don't know
what enjoy though, because you have I mean, of course
incredible insights into what it was like to create the show.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
It was such I hope everyone gets the chance in
their lives to be part of something from from the beginning,
to see something grow.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
It's so hard, so hard, it's so rare. It's so
worth it. It is so worth it. But I mean,
sometimes you know, you you might and I'm sure you
might have had this experience. You know, you try stuff
out in our business, right, because of course we're just
so you know, lucky to be able to work in
our business. Obviously it's a hard business, and people can
seem awesome and have great idea and you're like, this

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could be good and then no, it just does not
so much. You don't know why. You know, I've had
that since then, never anything that I felt the way
that I felt about us, you know what I'm saying.
And it's hard. You also feel really bad, like you
know that nothing's really good to live up to it.
I'm sorry for everybody I'm involved with but or have
ever been involved with professionally. But you're hoping, you know,

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it could be fun in a different way or whatever.
It will always be.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
It'll be different, but it will never live up to
what that was. And I think we all in retrospect
really know that now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I
think living it, we even do it.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
I think we might know that we did.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Yeah, but now you really know.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
It now, we really really And how lucky were we?
So lucky?

Speaker 2 (58:42):
And still so I was gonna say, you get to still,
I know Charlotte is in you.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
I know, I know she's still kicking around there. It's
awesome hav mind at this point, but that would be fun.
I don't know. You never know what, Michael do you
not know? So get ready. I think the kids are
more likely to be having a three I think so
I now have to deal with that. But that's okay.

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I mean, yeah, it is a dream. It's a dream
in so many ways. And it's a dream to get
to talk to our fans, yeah on the podcast.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
What a joy to get to hear from people and
know that the show still lives on I know, right,
So thank you all for still watching. Yeah, thank you
watching again and watching for the first time.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Yes, absolutely, we love all of.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
You guys, and we're sorry about the flip phones.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
But it's funny, but it's funny to look at, and
even I think in the pilot there's an even bigger one,
like it's hysterical to be an evolution of phones. That
could be like a subplot of the whole series, the
evolution of the phones. Yeah, all right, thank you, Jenny,