May 29, 2025 • 28 mins
Lena Waithe continues to enlighten us by sharing a very hot take about Miranda and Carrie. Then, Lena takes us inside Sex and the City from the perspective of a writer. Lena shares with Kristin how much she learned by watching Sex and the City and admiring Michael Patrick King’s abilities as a writer. (And, why the voiceover can tell so much of the story.)
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hi?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Everyone, thanks for joining us. I am back today with
the incredible Lena Waite.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Lena, let's just jump right back in.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I think I talked about this in the podcast, so
forgive me everyone listening if I did. But when we
first shot, I want to say the first episode back from.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
The pilot, Oh, I love that you guys in.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
The cab scene was great, But the scene with the guy,
so I basically we're we're setting up Charlotte to be
the one who wants to get married. Right. So I've
said that you haven't seen a lot of it, but
it's the beginning, right, And so I have the scene
where with him where I'm like, you know, no one's
gonna marry missus up the butt, dude. Do you remember
this scene?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It's like, this is embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
So I had done it once and I had cried
and we had to refilm it, which is the only
time in my career I've had to reshoot a scene
based on my performance. I remember Darren coming to me
and saying, you here so upset, and I'm like, what
what do you mean? Because I've been acting class forever
where you had to put the stakes high for everything
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
So they thought it was too dramatic.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, they thought I was too upset.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
He was like, there's another guy around the corner, and
I was like, what there is? Because for me as
a person, me Kristen, I don't really operate that way,
and I certainly didn't. Then I remember Jaren being.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Like, yeah, you don't care that much.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
You don't care that much, and I'm like, oh, I thought.
You know, my lines are like I want to get
married and now it's not going to work out because
he wants to do this thing and I don't want
to do it. He was like, ah, you know, another
guy around the corner.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Just be just careless. So I was like, okay, bizarre careless,
I know. But I didn't really.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Understand that the show was really going to be like
a lot of dating.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, yeah, it's your character a while to get to the.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Wedding, and rightly, so you know, rightly, So.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I think ultimately it does depend on what you want
or how you want to live. But I think it's
something that people are afraid to talk about when they're
dating because a lot of women are taught from birth.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
To want to get married and have kids.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
This is true, and so I think that's why Charlotte
is such a beautiful representation of a woman wanting to
be in you know what was it Architectial Digest was
it or which magazine?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
That?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
When? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And what I love about you know that it was
a beautiful episode, you know, when it's the end of
the marriage really and he comes in to take the
photo and sort.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Of this last kindness to you.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
But what I loved about it, even as a young
person watching that, it was Michael Patrick King or the
writer saying, these images you see in these magazines are
just that, they're an image, and and I thought it
was so special that we the audience know what's happening
with you, you know, and and and Trey and but
(02:49):
we know that the public will get that magazine and
thinkous I want that, not knowing and.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Say like, oh that had been I want that.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I want that money. Yeah, yeah, I want what she
has absolutely because.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, right, that's the trap of getting and that that
was Charlotte's trap, which I think was of course great
on Michael Patrick's that was his Oh my.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Gosh, yeah, so beautifully done, expertly done.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Right, you're gonna want this thing and you're gonna make
me get it perfect, and it's gonna look perfect, but
it's not gonna actually.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Be it, yeah, which is which is a lesson. He
sort of all these these bread crimes that you guys
were leaving us and saying that he may look great,
and they all seem wonderful, but you know, when you
really look underneath the rug, what's there. And also it's
so interesting too, is because obviously Mark Kntone's character is saying, like,
all right, we'll do it solo. You know we're not
gonna he's not coming, don't worry about it.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
She takes the photo by herself.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
It's great and just the idea of what if you
did do it by yourself, and so many young girls
look at that image and go, huh, definitely there's no
guy in the frame.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
That would have been awesome, that would have been powerful,
It would have been very powerful.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
But he's saying, you wanted me here, you wanted to
do this, right, you want this picture, I'm going to
give it to you.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Which is nice.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, but all you have is that just the picture exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
But it is.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
You know, let's talk about Michael Patrick for a second.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yes, you great, love so much.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So tell me about you got the DVDs that had
the commentary.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yes, well, I was working at Blockbuster, which tells you
how long ago this was, and I would rent those seasons,
you know, television, and because that's how you watch things again,
you have to get DVDs, And so I was really
and so that's how I kind of got to figure
out which seasons I really liked, you know, and so
I was like, oh, like three, I like four. You know,
those two seasons in particular really spoke to me. And
(04:38):
so there were certain episodes he would like cover an arc,
you know. And what was really helpful for me was
hearing him talk about Carrie's like dissent. Wow, you know,
He's like, Okay, she's got this great guy. Aiden is amazing, wonderful.
They're great. And then what rears its ugly head that
past that guy that she couldn't have, that didn't give
(05:00):
her what she wanted. That is that temptation. And he
sort of talks about like she does the wrong thing.
She's always using the smoking cigarettes as a metaphor, like
she sort of gives up smoking, like Aiden is like,
that's not healthy. And also what is he saying, I
want to have a place for us, all the things
that mister Big didn't give her, And so I think
it's just him talking about that and running through I'm thinking, oh, wow,
(05:22):
that's such an interesting character thing or oh, she has
the thing she wants, but she's sabotaging it for some reason.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
And I can't even think about that.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
As an adult, but I'm thinking about its story wise,
how smart it was. And also in adding you know
when she's like she goes to the other side of
the other apartment that they're trying to Yeah, yeah, but
it's at the end. And so Michael Patrick King says,
we had to make sure people knew that her and
Aiden were broken up, but we have to figure that
out because they're laying together, and then he says, so
(05:51):
we added the voiceover the next day Aiden moves out,
moved out, but him just giving me that because I
wouldn't have known that. I was thinking, oh, that's so powerful,
punching the gut like, oh, he's gone, He's not gonna
be And Michael Patrick saus we added that in the
last moment. Right, he's also showing me this is how
we can use voiceover. It's not a lazy thing at all.
It's a way for you to understand what's happening and
(06:11):
the weight of it, you know, to see these two
people holding each other, and then you hear and the
next day he moved out and you're like, oh man,
and that Those are the moments that I think I
really learned about writing for an audience where you make
them care so much about this relationship, this marriage, this couple,
and so to the end of it feels like a
(06:32):
break up for you. You feel like you're going through it.
You feel like we're going through your divorce. We feel
like we're watching you, like struggle to get pregnant. All
these different things like when you follow behind Miranda, you
know what I'm saying, even though she didn't turn back,
she knew she was there. So he's reminding us of Look,
they are in relationships with each other. And the thing
is they not having sex our relationships they have, they're
they're learning how to be in those relationships by how
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they show up for each other.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Absolutely, that's really well put, really well put, and I
love that this episode. You remember in this episode.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Miranda she makes the call. They don't tell us who
she's calling. I literally thought that and I should know.
I mean, it's beautiful writing. That's he's hiding, and it's
like that she's there, and that cut of the image
of Miranda like sort of saying like I'm sorry, like
that was my stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I shouldn't have done it.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
And that's why I really think he's teaching women how
to be good friends to each other. These all the
writers are you know, they're the actors. You are showing us. Hey,
sometimes you got to say I'm in the wrong. And
there's iconic fights between Kerry and Miranda, like those incredible relationships.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, I also did not really realize until I'm rewatching,
like the through line of their relationship from the beginning
is incredible, insane, and sometimes I will.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Not just single for you, Miranda totally.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I mean, so many moments, so.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Many when they're at the thrift shop.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
She's like the rift shop incredibly. Also, I love y'all's
argument though, like to like before you give her the ring,
it's so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, that's good. I mean, yeah, I don't mean to
diminish my own part, but like I always feel jealous
when we're doing it, just like that if I see
on the call she that that the two of them
have walked up, and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Why am I not there?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Why?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Why not there? But now I understand more why I'm
not there. Like they have a thing.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
It's it's it's indeed big.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
And interesting thing. And they're so different, but they're also
so similar. Miranda is kind of the only one who
really tells Carrie the truth, like the truth, and the
only one that she might listen to. You know.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yes, it's interesting, but also it's a showing of like
if Carrie is all of us. We know, there are
certain friends you go to for certain things, and there
are other friends that you don't go to for certain.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Things, you know. And so it's like she tells Samantha.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
That she cheated, right, that's who she's at the present, Yes, absolutely,
and you know, and she's like, don't you want to
judge me? And she's like, not my style, you know,
and gives her the wink, right, you know, and the
wink comes back in the movie, you know, like in Mexico,
you know, and so Encyclopedia no, you know. But also,
but the thing with the money, you know, when she's
about to literally get kicked out of her house, you know,
(08:53):
and she's looking at the fact that Charlotte is fine,
you know, and doing well. And I love that when
you know, Carrie is like, you got this apartment for free,
like you have to do work for this, and you're like,
I earned this, girl, Like, don't blame me. I went
through a lot to get this to get here, I know.
And and also but you're saying, like, you know, you
bring up your parents, they're a little bit talk about
your dad. My dad never talk about money with friends.
(09:13):
And that's a real thing. It's a real thing. It's
a real thing, you know. But then for you to
give her the ring, it's almost like we are married,
you know, we are in the marriage, we are exactly
you know. And so she's like, you know, it's because
she didn't ruin your wedding that day, no, you know
what I mean, when she was going through what she
she's going through. And then when you no longer are married,
you're like, here, take this, so you got somewhere to live.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And I think that to me is such a beautiful.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Forceful I mean, there's so much talk to you about
I barely reach out.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
It's okay.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I know we're going through the whole season, all of them.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I know. I know one thing I love, I mean,
and I mean some of it is just like memory,
you know, I love the memories and this also can
I say. I don't know if you ever ever met
(10:04):
the director Alan Culter, did you ever have me? Oh
my god, I want to have him on because he
is also he Carrie runs into him on the street him,
he is on the street. I don't know why he's
he's such a character and he really you know, when
you have those directors who inject like a new element
(10:24):
that then changes forever the show. He was one of those.
Like he came in and he's very I mean, he's intense,
and almost every time he would threaten to quit just
because like we are always and still are very over
ambitious in our in our desires of what we want
to film in the time and money that we have.
(10:45):
So it's always a stress, what I'm saying. And we
used to film all night, you know, many times a week. Yeah,
it was hard. It was hard, but we loved it, right,
But I mean for the director trying to he had high,
high hopes you know what I'm trying to say. He
set the bar high, and he used to say to us,
one of the best things you ever said to me,
at least was walk slow, talk fast, because we have
(11:05):
so many walking talks.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Right, Yes, but.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
You have to make it seem like you're walking fast,
but you can't really walk fast because we can't cover
that much territory with the camera, do you know what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
So you had.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
To separate your your vote voice, your vocals from your feet,
which is hard because usually you walk fast and you
talk fast together. But you had to separate, like like padding.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
That's crazy because you guys are walking so much.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Exactly exactly so. But he had a great His rhythms
really affected me, and I think all of us, like
when I.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Look at that episode, is really pacing is great.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
It's pacing is.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Great and also so neutrik too, because like, you guys
are still doing the thing of breaking the fourth wall.
But what was interesting by that episode is that it's
like people on the street. They were good, they were fantastic.
They were so good.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, like for me, I because in the first season
I'm like, oh god, not again.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Did you guys try to figure it out totally.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
And Sara Jessica never wanted to do that.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Oh, never wanted to do not like it? No, well
it went away by three. Yes, And maybe that's it's
interesting because that's where it's kind of like, guys, this
is not a TV show.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
This is strange for the main character.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
For the main character. Yeah, but that's why. That's why
I like in this episode.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
That it was not the people of the baseball game.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
It was nice.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
It was great, and they were.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Funny and interesting and I liked it a lot too.
And I loved that whole baseball thing. I remember going there.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
It was freezing. It was February.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
We went to where they used to play the US
Open and like Flushing because it was empty, you know,
we needed an empty stadium. And I got lost, which
is really common. It was back before we had security,
so you could just be wandering around, you know, so
you got lost on aud Yeah, like trying to find
the way in or whatever. It was like a big
empty stadium and there was no PA with me or.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
This is there's no.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
They just lost track of me. I was I was
missing and I was just walking and walking. I think
I had my cell phone and the big big old
cell phones, and I think I called Cynthia.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Like where are you guys?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
And then we were up in those stands for like
a long time and it was cold. Go back in February.
She wouldn't come on till June's. We had to pretend like.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
It was this when I'm dealing with the shot, like
we're like, Okay, we're gonna we're gonna make it real.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
We're gonna make the weather real.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
You tho, I'm kind of like, oh, I don't want
to be outside of everybody that like Lena.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Is deal with it.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I mean that's hard.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, we're gonna play it for winter though, because we're
not trying to be toolls. But that's us.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
It didn't look cold, you guys tricked me.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I mean she had the first on that.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yes she has she has that vintage for she of
course she has everything in her story.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Oh, she got all of it. That cold is.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I know that coat is good. I know that code
is good. They had to retire it because people got
upset with us about it.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I get it too, obviously, but it's still iconic.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yes, all right, I have to look at the notes
because I'm sure there's something really important that we're not covering. Oh,
I have that man who wants to adjust himself.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Which is so interesting as a woman who doesn't date men.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
It's that thing of going like, I'm glad these are
things that one doesn't have to deal.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
With totally totally. I also think it's funny because like
Charlotte is so into manners, right, of course it would
really bug her, but also it's funny that it also
bugs Samantha. It seems to bug everybody.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, interesting, it's interesting, It's it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Well.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Also Smith this dealing with her own issue with the
guy with the smile.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Oh my god, it feels so bad for her in
this one. And I had forgotten actor, so really bad
for that actor. And he's so so sweet.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Y'all do the guy so dirty?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I mean, let me tell you.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I mean, once y'all get the husbands, you know you
got you, guys.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Still feel like they feel sometimes lesser, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Well, Harry, I mean, look, he was Harry literally and
you know, given beauty in the Beasts. It's true, but
he was great and he's still is.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I know, he's still around. I know I love it too.
I mean I do remember a lot of those guys
in the beginning would just be like thrown off, like
I have to be like the girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
You know. Yeah, like that's guys get so mad about
the show because it's like you know, I mean you
guys even made it into a jay Z song.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
He was like, you know, I have to wait till
sex and the city is over.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I mean hello because the women are like, yeah, we're
it's a patriarchy versus a patriarchy in the show, I know,
and thank god, but that's why, like think about how
long it's stuck with us, yeah, you know, but then
you think about it, sometimes women get a little frustrated
with and just like that because what it's showing is
sort of this is what it is to age, you know,
this is what it is to you know, have children
(15:29):
that are not babies so or have a husband that
has now died, or to explore your sexuality after fifty
you know, then it's sort of like, oh, I'm being
confronted with.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Like what I know, we're still doing it.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Like, well, I'm just married over here with kids.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I don't want to be thinking about you know what
could also be happening, right, And what I think you
guys are saying is that life isn't done. That is
exactly what we're saying.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
The thing that's funny to me is that, I mean,
it's very hard to be objective when you're making something right.
And luckily Michael Patrick's in charge, I don't have to
worry about.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
The big issues.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
But we did all discussed at length about coming back
and why we would want to come back and what
we wanted to do, and what we wanted to do
was say life is not over. Oh yeah, it never ends.
It's like fascinating and unexpected things happen all the time
as you continue, and why shouldn't those stories be told?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, well again, it's like it's you guys really are
a fairy tale for people. So it's almost like somebody saying,
let's go see how Cinderella's doing. It's like, I don't
want to know how Cinderella's doing. I don't want to
know what Cinderella's doing. I want to just think she's
happy and living her life in the castle.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I didn't realize that part.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
No, y'all are it's fairy tale if you think about
because how long people have lived with the reruns obviously,
and obviously think it's to watch it on Netflix. But
for me, it's about evolution, and I think sometimes for
people that is scary, to evolve, to grow, to not.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Stay the same.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, And I think for a lot of people it's like, well, no,
I want to live with them, right, And it's saying that.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
They wanted to stay there, they want to keep that
kind of glorious bubble.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
True, but it's like, yeah, but I like somewhere over
the rainbow, but also like, come on, get happy totally.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I mean, look, I'm thrilled to be doing and just
like that because I do feel like maybe maybe someday
more people will embrace it, or maybe they won't.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
And it's fine, no, I think to me whenever, I
think sometimes if audiences are frustrated by something, it means
you're drawing blood, as Baldwin would say, and so, but
also I think it becomes a part of the art.
So that way, twenty years from now we look back,
people say, well, what were people saying at the time,
And that is also a time absolute is an audience's
reaction to something, because in twenty years somebody will watch
(17:47):
this and go, oh, how forward thinking or how amazing.
We can say yes, but at the time, some people
got frustrated with a non binary character, with the fact
that Miranda's now queer, or the fact that Big is
passed away.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
We're going to go and look back, like why are
they upset about that?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
You know what I mean? And I think that's why
whatever people are doing or talking about, it's more of
an education for us, because that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Someone's upset.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I'm saying, oh, y'all just don't want to come into
this new space, And what it's saying is, oh, y'all
want to stay in this little box in the same period.
And it means like, oh, so that's not evolution, that's
not growing up. That's one to stay in the past,
and the past cannot if you live in You know,
everybody that lives in the past, they's always talk about
what they've done and where they've been, and it's like,
(18:31):
what are you doing now? Yeah, where are you at now?
And so I think that's why it's just like that
is so special because now we get to see, oh,
this is after the happy ending, this is after the
creditive roles where are you now?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
And that sometimes can be scary for people.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I agree, I agree. I mean it's scary for us
sometimes too, just to do it, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I mean, look, look, there was a beautiful television movie
called Mary and Rhoda. You know that they you know,
decided to try to come back. It'll be a TV
specially everything about matureing a TV show. But I think
this is no different than that. It's sort of those actresses,
you know, saying these characters still resonate with people, and
we want to see what they look like.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
And I remember they were dealing.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
With like in the workforce and working with younger people
and all these different things. I don't like, if you
go back and look at it's like it's a little
bit of it, just like that. It's like I remember
people really I was really excited about them coming back
and doing that. But it was saying, like, these characters
are still relevant even though they are not in their
thirties or forties or one.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
And the thing is too, like the thing that I
have to remember and that you know so well obviously,
is you don't really need the invitation to do it.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
You just need to do it, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, it's hard to remember sometimes.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Yeah, yeah, and just push through.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
And what's also interesting is like, look, you guys like
Rolling Stones, Like people don't show up, they're gonna buy tickets,
they're gonna come.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I don't know about that. I'm just so you guys
are like a rock band that people still want to
come and hear the concert differences.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
You guys are playing new songs now, and so it's.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Like, oh, we do, we do?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
We do? And I think that's the that's the part
where I mean it's exciting that it's scary. Yeah, that's
what you want. You don't coasting, We're definitely no.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I watched that first episode. I was like, what is happening.
I'm so like Susan Sales Hill. Got to give her
a shout, Susan phials Hill.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Susan was like.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Show running a different world back in the day. She
show ran my show twenties. And I'm so happy she's
over there, and I know she's she's iconic and I'm
sure she's bringing so much and she does. She's just amazing.
She's so shocking, and she's in New York. Her lady,
I mean, she's the perfect person in that room.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I mean she's lived that life as well as knowing
how to run television.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Oh she's saying, yeah, yeah, she's so happy over there.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I mean, we love her so much, so much.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
So I'm so excited. She won't tell me anything. I'm like,
come on, what's up?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
What's up? She's like, now you got to watch this crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
It is some craziness.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
It is exciting.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Still, it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I forget everybody is gonna be there and show up
me talking.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
And that's the thing. There's so much, it's so much
place to go. Now.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Before it was like water cooler talk at work, and
now it's like everybody's like, oh you see.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Which is a little scary. Sometimes.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Don't be detached. You know, here's the deal. When you
put work into the world, it no longer belongs to you.
And what people respond to it or how they react
to it is an education about where we are as
a society.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
None of this is personal.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
So someone was like, talk about something frustrated a boyut something,
run toward it, have that conversation.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Why does that bug you? What about that makes you uncomfortable?
Why don't you like this character?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I think it's more about asking people like say Hey,
why an opinion is fair because everybody's right. If somebody
says I love this season, I hate this season. If
y'all are right, what I always going to say is like,
give me a why why is it not working for you?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Why do you love it? Why is it? You know?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Because I remember watching that first season, I was just
sort of like, oh, whoa, I'm really affected emotionally, you know,
by what's happening in their lives right now. And it
was it was challenging me. It was confronting me in
a way. But that's what your characters have always done.
So this isn't new. It just looks a little different, different,
but it's.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
A continuation of what the show has always been about.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Definitely how we feel. But it is interesting because the
world is changing so rapidly, kind of in a back
and forth almost kind of way.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, and you gotta be careful because don't want to
get like can we say that? Like I love your character.
It's always like, you know, is this loically correct? It's
gonna say this and that you got to have that
voice there, but you know, at the end of the day,
people going to say what they're going to say anyway,
So you just want to just make something interesting.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
You're absolutely right, Yeah, Lena, Yes, are you a Charlotte Charlotte?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
But I'm pretty I think if Charlotte is old fashioned, traditional, yep,
and very picky when it comes to who she's going
to date because she is thinking about the future always.
So I actually have found that I am a little
bit like because I'm also a romantic. She she does
(23:05):
as I am. I as optimistic as I don't think so,
I think, but I'm not a pessimist because, as Baldwin says,
I can't be a pessimist because I'm alive.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Good point.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
But I always thought of myself as.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
A little bit more like Miranda, because she's such a
realist and she's so grounded and she's so discerned clear.
But I think the reason I've always loved Charlotte, and
I think what so many people do, is because she
is almost a fairy tale and a human. She believes
in it and she's willing to do whatever she.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Has to to have it.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
And so I think she's very tenacious, Yes she is,
and she's also just really loving and sweet and wants
to do the right thing. Yes, very loyal very I am.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I'm a very loyal.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Person, and so I think I relate a lot to Charlotte,
especially now as I watched the show changes it does
for all of you know, it depends on where you
are on your life. But I think with Charlotte, she's
such a She's someone you can count on and she's
someone that you know, if you go to her, you're
going to get love.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
So I hope I get to be a Charlotte, get
to play it.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
But you're very Charlotte. You're very sure. I know people
necessarily know that, but I know that.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, you do.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
You're super supportive. Yes, you're a big support system for
a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Oh thank you.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
If I'm if I'm if I'm like stressing, I'm like,
I'm gonna leave, you know, voicemail.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Please, yes, text me on social media.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
At the time, I was like panics. I was like,
come to my house.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Do you remember that? Don't worry. Yeah. The thing about
that show is the casting is obviously divine and amazing.
I mean, come on, you guys are giving beatles for television.
But each element is important and I think you know, whoever,
when you walked in and they said, Okay, Charlotte, not
so much.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Not so much.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
They were like, yes, Charlotte, but we don't know how
important Charlotte's voice is until we got going and they
were like, oh, yes, we actually need that voice.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
But you're so good and you bring such and also
like getting to know you, that energy that you have
you bring to her and it's just such a needed
note and that on that on those songs.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
So it's so lovely to see you.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
I mean, we didn't even talk about your going to
clash with Michael Patrick.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Well please, he had, you know, he he he schooled me.
He you know, he definitely showed me the roapes before
I even met him.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
And then when I got to meet him, you know,
he really kind of let me know how it is
and is not afraid to, you know, keep me in
line a little bit. But no, I love him. You
know he did.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
It's like he can pull rank whenever he wants.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
You know, It's true.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I respect our respect. That's important.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
I think it is important to respect. But I also
feel like the thing that I love is when you
find out about how people learn to become a creator
and a showrunner. It is not easy.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, there's a thing called the show Runner Trainee Program
that that the WGA does to be a part of
which he's always is the last sort of like sort
of class speech, and he gave a memorable one and
something I always remember, and he like he thought he
said the thing about the circus, Like he's like, yeah,
you're the MC, You're the one, and there's all these
(26:15):
things going on and you have to and not too
many people can do that. It's to and I don't
do that. By the way, I have short runners and
I'm the creator. Yes, yes, and.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Then you have to manage all of them, yes, yes,
to hire those people and make sure they're on track.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, it's hard, it is.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I don't know how you do it.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Look, because I just learned.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I saw the same names keep popping up on the
you know Jenny bit, like you know, guys names and
stuff like that. The writers and I always paid attention to, yeah, yeah,
kind of seeing who would come up and whose episodes
are like yeah, and one of your writers, I think
it was Cindy Ye who saw me after a screening
of a show and at that point she had seen
the things give an episode because the season was out
(26:54):
and she's like, you're gonna win en me for that
episode like long before you And she was like, I
know these things, you're gonna win me.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
And I was like okay, and uh yeah, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Sure she were sure, but I remember that I called
it y she did, She's coming on soon.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
We got to get her. We're trying to keep them
in order. When they joined, Jenny already came on.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Because she was I heard her. Yeah, yeah, when does
Cindy come in now?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Like too? Yes, season took a couple of next, couple
of yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I mean I remember the names. I would see the names,
and so I see so many women, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I just was always like, oh, they are.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
In there going I know, And I don't think people
really realize that. I tried to shout it out as
much as I can, but there were so many women
in that room, like please get out of here. Of course,
of course, of course, Illo Susan Bell's Hill, Yes, yes, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
And are you know Lisa and Julie who we had
when they were like twenty seven they started with us
and now they're you know, co executive producers and we
love them so much and they're so great and it's
so amazing. Haven't that youth that you still to develop
with people? Yes, yeah, it's really special to get to
do that business.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Good.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yeah, it's amazing. I'm excited. I'm excited about this season.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Oh, I'm excited and scared. I was watching that first
one and we're for some reason, they're doing like this
event party they showed you, y'all.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
My cast has to wait to see it like we all. Yeah,
we would riot. Oh y'all can pabu right? Like they
don't they like we want to cast. No, they gotta
waita watch it with the audience. That hurts.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I know.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Wow, that's not my choice.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
No, I get it.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Thank you, baby, thank you wonderful.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
You're gonna have to come back. I will come on
and school us.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yes, whatever history, man, I knew you would bring them,
bring it in the fast.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I did.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I love the facts.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Yes, thank you.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I should have talked about more details, but your stuff
was much more.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
No, you killed it.
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hi?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Everyone, thanks for joining us. I am back today with
the incredible Lena Waite.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Lena, let's just jump right back in.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I think I talked about this in the podcast, so
forgive me everyone listening if I did. But when we
first shot, I want to say the first episode back from.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
The pilot, Oh, I love that you guys in.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
The cab scene was great, But the scene with the guy,
so I basically we're we're setting up Charlotte to be
the one who wants to get married. Right. So I've
said that you haven't seen a lot of it, but
it's the beginning, right, And so I have the scene
where with him where I'm like, you know, no one's
gonna marry missus up the butt, dude. Do you remember
this scene?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It's like, this is embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
So I had done it once and I had cried
and we had to refilm it, which is the only
time in my career I've had to reshoot a scene
based on my performance. I remember Darren coming to me
and saying, you here so upset, and I'm like, what
what do you mean? Because I've been acting class forever
where you had to put the stakes high for everything
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
So they thought it was too dramatic.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, they thought I was too upset.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
He was like, there's another guy around the corner, and
I was like, what there is? Because for me as
a person, me Kristen, I don't really operate that way,
and I certainly didn't. Then I remember Jaren being.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Like, yeah, you don't care that much.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
You don't care that much, and I'm like, oh, I thought.
You know, my lines are like I want to get
married and now it's not going to work out because
he wants to do this thing and I don't want
to do it. He was like, ah, you know, another
guy around the corner.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Just be just careless. So I was like, okay, bizarre careless,
I know. But I didn't really.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Understand that the show was really going to be like
a lot of dating.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Yeah, yeah, it's your character a while to get to the.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Wedding, and rightly, so you know, rightly, So.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I think ultimately it does depend on what you want
or how you want to live. But I think it's
something that people are afraid to talk about when they're
dating because a lot of women are taught from birth.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
To want to get married and have kids.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
This is true, and so I think that's why Charlotte
is such a beautiful representation of a woman wanting to
be in you know what was it Architectial Digest was
it or which magazine?
Speaker 1 (02:10):
That?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
When? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And what I love about you know that it was
a beautiful episode, you know, when it's the end of
the marriage really and he comes in to take the
photo and sort.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Of this last kindness to you.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
But what I loved about it, even as a young
person watching that, it was Michael Patrick King or the
writer saying, these images you see in these magazines are
just that, they're an image, and and I thought it
was so special that we the audience know what's happening
with you, you know, and and and Trey and but
(02:49):
we know that the public will get that magazine and
thinkous I want that, not knowing and.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Say like, oh that had been I want that.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
I want that money. Yeah, yeah, I want what she
has absolutely because.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, right, that's the trap of getting and that that
was Charlotte's trap, which I think was of course great
on Michael Patrick's that was his Oh my.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Gosh, yeah, so beautifully done, expertly done.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Right, you're gonna want this thing and you're gonna make
me get it perfect, and it's gonna look perfect, but
it's not gonna actually.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Be it, yeah, which is which is a lesson. He
sort of all these these bread crimes that you guys
were leaving us and saying that he may look great,
and they all seem wonderful, but you know, when you
really look underneath the rug, what's there. And also it's
so interesting too, is because obviously Mark Kntone's character is saying, like,
all right, we'll do it solo. You know we're not
gonna he's not coming, don't worry about it.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
She takes the photo by herself.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
It's great and just the idea of what if you
did do it by yourself, and so many young girls
look at that image and go, huh, definitely there's no
guy in the frame.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
That would have been awesome, that would have been powerful,
It would have been very powerful.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
But he's saying, you wanted me here, you wanted to
do this, right, you want this picture, I'm going to
give it to you.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Which is nice.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, but all you have is that just the picture exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
But it is.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
You know, let's talk about Michael Patrick for a second.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yes, you great, love so much.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
So tell me about you got the DVDs that had
the commentary.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yes, well, I was working at Blockbuster, which tells you
how long ago this was, and I would rent those seasons,
you know, television, and because that's how you watch things again,
you have to get DVDs, And so I was really
and so that's how I kind of got to figure
out which seasons I really liked, you know, and so
I was like, oh, like three, I like four. You know,
those two seasons in particular really spoke to me. And
(04:38):
so there were certain episodes he would like cover an arc,
you know. And what was really helpful for me was
hearing him talk about Carrie's like dissent. Wow, you know,
He's like, Okay, she's got this great guy. Aiden is amazing, wonderful.
They're great. And then what rears its ugly head that
past that guy that she couldn't have, that didn't give
(05:00):
her what she wanted. That is that temptation. And he
sort of talks about like she does the wrong thing.
She's always using the smoking cigarettes as a metaphor, like
she sort of gives up smoking, like Aiden is like,
that's not healthy. And also what is he saying, I
want to have a place for us, all the things
that mister Big didn't give her, And so I think
it's just him talking about that and running through I'm thinking, oh, wow,
(05:22):
that's such an interesting character thing or oh, she has
the thing she wants, but she's sabotaging it for some reason.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
And I can't even think about that.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
As an adult, but I'm thinking about its story wise,
how smart it was. And also in adding you know
when she's like she goes to the other side of
the other apartment that they're trying to Yeah, yeah, but
it's at the end. And so Michael Patrick King says,
we had to make sure people knew that her and
Aiden were broken up, but we have to figure that
out because they're laying together, and then he says, so
(05:51):
we added the voiceover the next day Aiden moves out,
moved out, but him just giving me that because I
wouldn't have known that. I was thinking, oh, that's so powerful,
punching the gut like, oh, he's gone, He's not gonna
be And Michael Patrick saus we added that in the
last moment. Right, he's also showing me this is how
we can use voiceover. It's not a lazy thing at all.
It's a way for you to understand what's happening and
(06:11):
the weight of it, you know, to see these two
people holding each other, and then you hear and the
next day he moved out and you're like, oh man,
and that Those are the moments that I think I
really learned about writing for an audience where you make
them care so much about this relationship, this marriage, this couple,
and so to the end of it feels like a
(06:32):
break up for you. You feel like you're going through it.
You feel like we're going through your divorce. We feel
like we're watching you, like struggle to get pregnant. All
these different things like when you follow behind Miranda, you
know what I'm saying, even though she didn't turn back,
she knew she was there. So he's reminding us of Look,
they are in relationships with each other. And the thing
is they not having sex our relationships they have, they're
they're learning how to be in those relationships by how
(06:55):
they show up for each other.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Absolutely, that's really well put, really well put, and I
love that this episode. You remember in this episode.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Miranda she makes the call. They don't tell us who
she's calling. I literally thought that and I should know.
I mean, it's beautiful writing. That's he's hiding, and it's
like that she's there, and that cut of the image
of Miranda like sort of saying like I'm sorry, like
that was my stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I shouldn't have done it.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
And that's why I really think he's teaching women how
to be good friends to each other. These all the
writers are you know, they're the actors. You are showing us. Hey,
sometimes you got to say I'm in the wrong. And
there's iconic fights between Kerry and Miranda, like those incredible relationships.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, I also did not really realize until I'm rewatching,
like the through line of their relationship from the beginning
is incredible, insane, and sometimes I will.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Not just single for you, Miranda totally.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I mean, so many moments, so.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Many when they're at the thrift shop.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
She's like the rift shop incredibly. Also, I love y'all's
argument though, like to like before you give her the ring,
it's so beautiful.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, that's good. I mean, yeah, I don't mean to
diminish my own part, but like I always feel jealous
when we're doing it, just like that if I see
on the call she that that the two of them
have walked up, and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Why am I not there?
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Why?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Why not there? But now I understand more why I'm
not there. Like they have a thing.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
It's it's it's indeed big.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
And interesting thing. And they're so different, but they're also
so similar. Miranda is kind of the only one who
really tells Carrie the truth, like the truth, and the
only one that she might listen to. You know.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Yes, it's interesting, but also it's a showing of like
if Carrie is all of us. We know, there are
certain friends you go to for certain things, and there
are other friends that you don't go to for certain.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Things, you know. And so it's like she tells Samantha.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
That she cheated, right, that's who she's at the present, Yes, absolutely,
and you know, and she's like, don't you want to
judge me? And she's like, not my style, you know,
and gives her the wink, right, you know, and the
wink comes back in the movie, you know, like in Mexico,
you know, and so Encyclopedia no, you know. But also,
but the thing with the money, you know, when she's
about to literally get kicked out of her house, you know,
(08:53):
and she's looking at the fact that Charlotte is fine,
you know, and doing well. And I love that when
you know, Carrie is like, you got this apartment for free,
like you have to do work for this, and you're like,
I earned this, girl, Like, don't blame me. I went
through a lot to get this to get here, I know.
And and also but you're saying, like, you know, you
bring up your parents, they're a little bit talk about
your dad. My dad never talk about money with friends.
(09:13):
And that's a real thing. It's a real thing. It's
a real thing, you know. But then for you to
give her the ring, it's almost like we are married,
you know, we are in the marriage, we are exactly
you know. And so she's like, you know, it's because
she didn't ruin your wedding that day, no, you know
what I mean, when she was going through what she
she's going through. And then when you no longer are married,
you're like, here, take this, so you got somewhere to live.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And I think that to me is such a beautiful.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Forceful I mean, there's so much talk to you about
I barely reach out.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
It's okay.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I know we're going through the whole season, all of them.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I know. I know one thing I love, I mean,
and I mean some of it is just like memory,
you know, I love the memories and this also can
I say. I don't know if you ever ever met
(10:04):
the director Alan Culter, did you ever have me? Oh
my god, I want to have him on because he
is also he Carrie runs into him on the street him,
he is on the street. I don't know why he's
he's such a character and he really you know, when
you have those directors who inject like a new element
(10:24):
that then changes forever the show. He was one of those.
Like he came in and he's very I mean, he's intense,
and almost every time he would threaten to quit just
because like we are always and still are very over
ambitious in our in our desires of what we want
to film in the time and money that we have.
(10:45):
So it's always a stress, what I'm saying. And we
used to film all night, you know, many times a week. Yeah,
it was hard. It was hard, but we loved it, right,
But I mean for the director trying to he had high,
high hopes you know what I'm trying to say. He
set the bar high, and he used to say to us,
one of the best things you ever said to me,
at least was walk slow, talk fast, because we have
(11:05):
so many walking talks.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Right, Yes, but.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
You have to make it seem like you're walking fast,
but you can't really walk fast because we can't cover
that much territory with the camera, do you know what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (11:16):
So you had.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
To separate your your vote voice, your vocals from your feet,
which is hard because usually you walk fast and you
talk fast together. But you had to separate, like like padding.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
That's crazy because you guys are walking so much.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Exactly exactly so. But he had a great His rhythms
really affected me, and I think all of us, like
when I.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Look at that episode, is really pacing is great.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
It's pacing is.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
Great and also so neutrik too, because like, you guys
are still doing the thing of breaking the fourth wall.
But what was interesting by that episode is that it's
like people on the street. They were good, they were fantastic.
They were so good.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, like for me, I because in the first season
I'm like, oh god, not again.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Did you guys try to figure it out totally.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
And Sara Jessica never wanted to do that.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Oh, never wanted to do not like it? No, well
it went away by three. Yes, And maybe that's it's
interesting because that's where it's kind of like, guys, this
is not a TV show.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
This is strange for the main character.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
For the main character. Yeah, but that's why. That's why
I like in this episode.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
That it was not the people of the baseball game.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
It was nice.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
It was great, and they were.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Funny and interesting and I liked it a lot too.
And I loved that whole baseball thing. I remember going there.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
It was freezing. It was February.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
We went to where they used to play the US
Open and like Flushing because it was empty, you know,
we needed an empty stadium. And I got lost, which
is really common. It was back before we had security,
so you could just be wandering around, you know, so
you got lost on aud Yeah, like trying to find
the way in or whatever. It was like a big
empty stadium and there was no PA with me or.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
This is there's no.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
They just lost track of me. I was I was
missing and I was just walking and walking. I think
I had my cell phone and the big big old
cell phones, and I think I called Cynthia.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Like where are you guys?
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (13:03):
And then we were up in those stands for like
a long time and it was cold. Go back in February.
She wouldn't come on till June's. We had to pretend like.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
It was this when I'm dealing with the shot, like
we're like, Okay, we're gonna we're gonna make it real.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
We're gonna make the weather real.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
You tho, I'm kind of like, oh, I don't want
to be outside of everybody that like Lena.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Is deal with it.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I mean that's hard.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, we're gonna play it for winter though, because we're
not trying to be toolls. But that's us.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
It didn't look cold, you guys tricked me.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I mean she had the first on that.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yes she has she has that vintage for she of
course she has everything in her story.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Oh, she got all of it. That cold is.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I know that coat is good. I know that code
is good. They had to retire it because people got
upset with us about it.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I get it too, obviously, but it's still iconic.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yes, all right, I have to look at the notes
because I'm sure there's something really important that we're not covering. Oh,
I have that man who wants to adjust himself.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Which is so interesting as a woman who doesn't date men.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
It's that thing of going like, I'm glad these are
things that one doesn't have to deal.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
With totally totally. I also think it's funny because like
Charlotte is so into manners, right, of course it would
really bug her, but also it's funny that it also
bugs Samantha. It seems to bug everybody.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah, interesting, it's interesting, It's it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Well.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Also Smith this dealing with her own issue with the
guy with the smile.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Oh my god, it feels so bad for her in
this one. And I had forgotten actor, so really bad
for that actor. And he's so so sweet.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Y'all do the guy so dirty?
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I mean, let me tell you.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I mean, once y'all get the husbands, you know you
got you, guys.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Still feel like they feel sometimes lesser, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Well, Harry, I mean, look, he was Harry literally and
you know, given beauty in the Beasts. It's true, but
he was great and he's still is.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I know, he's still around. I know I love it too.
I mean I do remember a lot of those guys
in the beginning would just be like thrown off, like
I have to be like the girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
You know. Yeah, like that's guys get so mad about
the show because it's like you know, I mean you
guys even made it into a jay Z song.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
He was like, you know, I have to wait till
sex and the city is over.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I mean hello because the women are like, yeah, we're
it's a patriarchy versus a patriarchy in the show, I know,
and thank god, but that's why, like think about how
long it's stuck with us, yeah, you know, but then
you think about it, sometimes women get a little frustrated
with and just like that because what it's showing is
sort of this is what it is to age, you know,
this is what it is to you know, have children
(15:29):
that are not babies so or have a husband that
has now died, or to explore your sexuality after fifty
you know, then it's sort of like, oh, I'm being
confronted with.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Like what I know, we're still doing it.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Like, well, I'm just married over here with kids.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
I don't want to be thinking about you know what
could also be happening, right, And what I think you
guys are saying is that life isn't done. That is
exactly what we're saying.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
The thing that's funny to me is that, I mean,
it's very hard to be objective when you're making something right.
And luckily Michael Patrick's in charge, I don't have to
worry about.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
The big issues.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
But we did all discussed at length about coming back
and why we would want to come back and what
we wanted to do, and what we wanted to do
was say life is not over. Oh yeah, it never ends.
It's like fascinating and unexpected things happen all the time
as you continue, and why shouldn't those stories be told?
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, well again, it's like it's you guys really are
a fairy tale for people. So it's almost like somebody saying,
let's go see how Cinderella's doing. It's like, I don't
want to know how Cinderella's doing. I don't want to
know what Cinderella's doing. I want to just think she's
happy and living her life in the castle.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I didn't realize that part.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
No, y'all are it's fairy tale if you think about
because how long people have lived with the reruns obviously,
and obviously think it's to watch it on Netflix. But
for me, it's about evolution, and I think sometimes for
people that is scary, to evolve, to grow, to not.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Stay the same.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, And I think for a lot of people it's like, well, no,
I want to live with them, right, And it's saying that.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
They wanted to stay there, they want to keep that
kind of glorious bubble.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
True, but it's like, yeah, but I like somewhere over
the rainbow, but also like, come on, get happy totally.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
I mean, look, I'm thrilled to be doing and just
like that because I do feel like maybe maybe someday
more people will embrace it, or maybe they won't.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
And it's fine, no, I think to me whenever, I
think sometimes if audiences are frustrated by something, it means
you're drawing blood, as Baldwin would say, and so, but
also I think it becomes a part of the art.
So that way, twenty years from now we look back,
people say, well, what were people saying at the time,
And that is also a time absolute is an audience's
reaction to something, because in twenty years somebody will watch
(17:47):
this and go, oh, how forward thinking or how amazing.
We can say yes, but at the time, some people
got frustrated with a non binary character, with the fact
that Miranda's now queer, or the fact that Big is
passed away.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
We're going to go and look back, like why are
they upset about that?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
You know what I mean? And I think that's why
whatever people are doing or talking about, it's more of
an education for us, because that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Someone's upset.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
I'm saying, oh, y'all just don't want to come into
this new space, And what it's saying is, oh, y'all
want to stay in this little box in the same period.
And it means like, oh, so that's not evolution, that's
not growing up. That's one to stay in the past,
and the past cannot if you live in You know,
everybody that lives in the past, they's always talk about
what they've done and where they've been, and it's like,
(18:31):
what are you doing now? Yeah, where are you at now?
And so I think that's why it's just like that
is so special because now we get to see, oh,
this is after the happy ending, this is after the
creditive roles where are you now?
Speaker 3 (18:41):
And that sometimes can be scary for people.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
I agree, I agree. I mean it's scary for us
sometimes too, just to do it, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I mean, look, look, there was a beautiful television movie
called Mary and Rhoda. You know that they you know,
decided to try to come back. It'll be a TV
specially everything about matureing a TV show. But I think
this is no different than that. It's sort of those actresses,
you know, saying these characters still resonate with people, and
we want to see what they look like.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
And I remember they were dealing.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
With like in the workforce and working with younger people
and all these different things. I don't like, if you
go back and look at it's like it's a little
bit of it, just like that. It's like I remember
people really I was really excited about them coming back
and doing that. But it was saying, like, these characters
are still relevant even though they are not in their
thirties or forties or one.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
And the thing is too, like the thing that I
have to remember and that you know so well obviously,
is you don't really need the invitation to do it.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
You just need to do it, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, it's hard to remember sometimes.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Yeah, yeah, and just push through.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
And what's also interesting is like, look, you guys like
Rolling Stones, Like people don't show up, they're gonna buy tickets,
they're gonna come.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I don't know about that. I'm just so you guys
are like a rock band that people still want to
come and hear the concert differences.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
You guys are playing new songs now, and so it's.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Like, oh, we do, we do?
Speaker 1 (19:55):
We do? And I think that's the that's the part
where I mean it's exciting that it's scary. Yeah, that's
what you want. You don't coasting, We're definitely no.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I watched that first episode. I was like, what is happening.
I'm so like Susan Sales Hill. Got to give her
a shout, Susan phials Hill.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Susan was like.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Show running a different world back in the day. She
show ran my show twenties. And I'm so happy she's
over there, and I know she's she's iconic and I'm
sure she's bringing so much and she does. She's just amazing.
She's so shocking, and she's in New York. Her lady,
I mean, she's the perfect person in that room.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I mean she's lived that life as well as knowing
how to run television.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Oh she's saying, yeah, yeah, she's so happy over there.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I mean, we love her so much, so much.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
So I'm so excited. She won't tell me anything. I'm like,
come on, what's up?
Speaker 3 (20:44):
What's up? She's like, now you got to watch this crazy.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
It is some craziness.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
It is exciting.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Still, it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I forget everybody is gonna be there and show up
me talking.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
And that's the thing. There's so much, it's so much
place to go. Now.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Before it was like water cooler talk at work, and
now it's like everybody's like, oh you see.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Which is a little scary. Sometimes.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Don't be detached. You know, here's the deal. When you
put work into the world, it no longer belongs to you.
And what people respond to it or how they react
to it is an education about where we are as
a society.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
None of this is personal.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
So someone was like, talk about something frustrated a boyut something,
run toward it, have that conversation.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Why does that bug you? What about that makes you uncomfortable?
Why don't you like this character?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I think it's more about asking people like say Hey,
why an opinion is fair because everybody's right. If somebody
says I love this season, I hate this season. If
y'all are right, what I always going to say is like,
give me a why why is it not working for you?
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Why do you love it? Why is it? You know?
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Because I remember watching that first season, I was just
sort of like, oh, whoa, I'm really affected emotionally, you know,
by what's happening in their lives right now. And it
was it was challenging me. It was confronting me in
a way. But that's what your characters have always done.
So this isn't new. It just looks a little different, different,
but it's.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
A continuation of what the show has always been about.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Definitely how we feel. But it is interesting because the
world is changing so rapidly, kind of in a back
and forth almost kind of way.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, and you gotta be careful because don't want to
get like can we say that? Like I love your character.
It's always like, you know, is this loically correct? It's
gonna say this and that you got to have that
voice there, but you know, at the end of the day,
people going to say what they're going to say anyway,
So you just want to just make something interesting.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
You're absolutely right, Yeah, Lena, Yes, are you a Charlotte Charlotte?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (22:40):
But I'm pretty I think if Charlotte is old fashioned, traditional, yep,
and very picky when it comes to who she's going
to date because she is thinking about the future always.
So I actually have found that I am a little
bit like because I'm also a romantic. She she does
(23:05):
as I am. I as optimistic as I don't think so,
I think, but I'm not a pessimist because, as Baldwin says,
I can't be a pessimist because I'm alive.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Good point.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
But I always thought of myself as.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
A little bit more like Miranda, because she's such a
realist and she's so grounded and she's so discerned clear.
But I think the reason I've always loved Charlotte, and
I think what so many people do, is because she
is almost a fairy tale and a human. She believes
in it and she's willing to do whatever she.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Has to to have it.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
And so I think she's very tenacious, Yes she is,
and she's also just really loving and sweet and wants
to do the right thing. Yes, very loyal very I am.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I'm a very loyal.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Person, and so I think I relate a lot to Charlotte,
especially now as I watched the show changes it does
for all of you know, it depends on where you
are on your life. But I think with Charlotte, she's
such a She's someone you can count on and she's
someone that you know, if you go to her, you're
going to get love.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
That's true.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
So I hope I get to be a Charlotte, get
to play it.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
But you're very Charlotte. You're very sure. I know people
necessarily know that, but I know that.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Yeah, you do.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
You're super supportive. Yes, you're a big support system for
a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Oh thank you.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
If I'm if I'm if I'm like stressing, I'm like,
I'm gonna leave, you know, voicemail.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Please, yes, text me on social media.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
At the time, I was like panics. I was like,
come to my house.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Do you remember that? Don't worry. Yeah. The thing about
that show is the casting is obviously divine and amazing.
I mean, come on, you guys are giving beatles for television.
But each element is important and I think you know, whoever,
when you walked in and they said, Okay, Charlotte, not
so much.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Not so much.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
They were like, yes, Charlotte, but we don't know how
important Charlotte's voice is until we got going and they
were like, oh, yes, we actually need that voice.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
But you're so good and you bring such and also
like getting to know you, that energy that you have
you bring to her and it's just such a needed
note and that on that on those songs.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
So it's so lovely to see you.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
I mean, we didn't even talk about your going to
clash with Michael Patrick.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Well please, he had, you know, he he he schooled me.
He you know, he definitely showed me the roapes before
I even met him.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
And then when I got to meet him, you know,
he really kind of let me know how it is
and is not afraid to, you know, keep me in
line a little bit. But no, I love him. You
know he did.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
It's like he can pull rank whenever he wants.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
You know, It's true.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I respect our respect. That's important.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
I think it is important to respect. But I also
feel like the thing that I love is when you
find out about how people learn to become a creator
and a showrunner. It is not easy.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, there's a thing called the show Runner Trainee Program
that that the WGA does to be a part of
which he's always is the last sort of like sort
of class speech, and he gave a memorable one and
something I always remember, and he like he thought he
said the thing about the circus, Like he's like, yeah,
you're the MC, You're the one, and there's all these
(26:15):
things going on and you have to and not too
many people can do that. It's to and I don't
do that. By the way, I have short runners and
I'm the creator. Yes, yes, and.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Then you have to manage all of them, yes, yes,
to hire those people and make sure they're on track.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, it's hard, it is.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I don't know how you do it.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Look, because I just learned.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
I saw the same names keep popping up on the
you know Jenny bit, like you know, guys names and
stuff like that. The writers and I always paid attention to, yeah, yeah,
kind of seeing who would come up and whose episodes
are like yeah, and one of your writers, I think
it was Cindy Ye who saw me after a screening
of a show and at that point she had seen
the things give an episode because the season was out
(26:54):
and she's like, you're gonna win en me for that
episode like long before you And she was like, I
know these things, you're gonna win me.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
And I was like okay, and uh yeah, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Sure she were sure, but I remember that I called
it y she did, She's coming on soon.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
We got to get her. We're trying to keep them
in order. When they joined, Jenny already came on.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Because she was I heard her. Yeah, yeah, when does
Cindy come in now?
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Like too? Yes, season took a couple of next, couple
of yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
I mean I remember the names. I would see the names,
and so I see so many women, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I just was always like, oh, they are.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
In there going I know, And I don't think people
really realize that. I tried to shout it out as
much as I can, but there were so many women
in that room, like please get out of here. Of course,
of course, of course, Illo Susan Bell's Hill, Yes, yes, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
And are you know Lisa and Julie who we had
when they were like twenty seven they started with us
and now they're you know, co executive producers and we
love them so much and they're so great and it's
so amazing. Haven't that youth that you still to develop
with people? Yes, yeah, it's really special to get to
do that business.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Good.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Yeah, it's amazing. I'm excited. I'm excited about this season.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Oh, I'm excited and scared. I was watching that first
one and we're for some reason, they're doing like this
event party they showed you, y'all.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
My cast has to wait to see it like we all. Yeah,
we would riot. Oh y'all can pabu right? Like they
don't they like we want to cast. No, they gotta
waita watch it with the audience. That hurts.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I know.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Wow, that's not my choice.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
No, I get it.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Thank you, baby, thank you wonderful.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
You're gonna have to come back. I will come on
and school us.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Yes, whatever history, man, I knew you would bring them,
bring it in the fast.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
I did.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
I love the facts.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Yes, thank you.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I should have talked about more details, but your stuff
was much more.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
No, you killed it.
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