October 20, 2025 • 37 mins
Emmy nominated Severance star, Adam Scott, joins Kristin and brings a perspective we all need to hear.
Adam is a self proclaimed Sex and the City super fan who has watched the series multiple times, including a recent binge-watch. Adam describes one of his favorite Big/Carrie moments and why Trey was necessary for Charlotte. He shares a deep insight into Charlotte and why he feels all the characters are his personal safety net.
Plus, Kristin and Adam reveal their “Six Degrees” connection.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Do you guys? I do have Adam Scott here.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'll just say it out loud, just on the air,
because there's also the weird YouTube of it all about.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Right that you guys we did YouTube?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
We do?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, do you guys? No, because we don't film it.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Really interesting when I first came to iHeart, they didn't
film it, but I listened to the town and on
the town they said that video.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Is the new audios. So I was like, oh, it
really is got to catch up. I know. We just
we just didn't you know what. We put ours together
in such a hurry because we were it was like
the show was coming out in in January, and I
guess it was around November. Ben and I in particular
(00:57):
were worried about the people who watch Sees in one
coming back first because it had been three years.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Oh my god, three three years, Oh my god. Also
it's so dense in plot. Yes, so we were we
didn't know if people would watch. All we wanted was
those who saw the first season and come back. And
so my wife Naomi was.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Like, you guys should do a podcast yes, and so
we did like a recap podcast of the first season
and then did it for season two. So it was
kind of in a hurry. So we as far as
video video and stuff, we just didn't have the wear it.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Well, it doesn't seem in a hurry. It seems very organized.
Oh thanks, Well that's because Naomi was producing. Okay, and also.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Pineapple Studios is so great and they made it too,
got it? Got it well?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I love it because I also love the show Severance obviously,
but also I really really love Parks and rec So
when you're on Amy's podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I was like, that's where I talked about Yeah, which
really made my day. I was so excited. It was
so funny. That was great when you reached out, it
was a big deal. I'm so glad. It's adorable.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I mean, also, it was so funny because you know,
she does that thing where at the end of her
podcast she says, what's making you left these days? And
you said sex and the City and she was like, really,
was like, Amy, it's not that crazy, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Maybe maybe, yeah, I think it. I think I also
presented it as a thing like I'm not gonna because
usually you talk about something that's that's like right now. Yeah.
And Sex and the City is something that I watched
while it was on Okay, I rewatched it again during
the pandemic. Wow, And then when we recorded the podcast,
(02:44):
I was in the midst of another rewatch and irelanda
River when you were away. Yeah, And so it's just
a show that I don't do. You want to talk
about it? I told it's so important, and I think
the importance of it really hit me the second time.
(03:05):
The second time I watched it through during the pandemic.
I started it when I had COVID pre vaccine, right,
So we were shooting the show and had to shut
down because I had it, and it was pre vaccine.
If you got COVID, it was hardcore, man, Like you're
down for two weeks and you're very sick, and you're
(03:27):
by yourself because no one and I was out in
New York by myself anyway. So anyway, Sex and the
City was like the thing that I really connected to.
And you know, when you're watching a show on a
loop and you have a fever, You're like, these people
are here for me. And so I had this real
connection to it and had watched it while it was on,
(03:49):
But at this time I was really zeroing in on
it for how excellent it was as a show, just
really breaking the form and doing something new with it,
and these characters are just so fascinating. But then the
next time I went through it this year, I think
(04:10):
I was really zeroing in on how important the show
I mean really, and also being the father of a
teenage daughter at something like this being out in the
world there for her whenever she wants it. Is always
wondering like has she watched yes, okay? And how old
she's watching it right now? Seventeen? Got it? Oh that's good.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I have a fourteen year old girl and I haven't
really let her watch it yet, though some of her
friends have, right who are maybe a little bit more,
you know, less sheltered or whatever. And also because it's me,
it's weird, I would imagine, you know, it's strange. So
I can't decide the right because people keep saying like,
you should just let Emma watch it, and I mean
kind of I.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Feel like, yes, you know, because it is.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It's got so much stuff in there that is you're
not really going to hear other places, and it's done
without shame you know, the whole idea, that's key, right, Yes,
So I like that and I like her having access
in a way where you know, the ethos is correct, yes,
you know.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
But also I think it would be great for her
to watch it whenever you're ready for her to watch it,
because Charlotte is so complicated. Thank you. I'm so contradictory, Adam,
Thank you so truth. Definitely, I think, definitely, I think
in really interesting way. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I mean it's really nice that you especially would feel
that way, because obviously I admire your work and you've
been around a long time and I think you're really smart.
But also in general, it's been interesting because it's been
almost thirty years that before we you know, film the pilot. Yeah,
there's been so many phases and for so long, like
I would say, a good decade.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I was the boring one. I was the prude.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah no, but right, right, but it's so interesting to watch. Like,
first of all, we were allowed to develop over time,
which is amazing and rare, And we had incredible writers
that you know, deepened and deepened and deepened and deepened that.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
We knew so well.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
So they were really like bespoke writing for me for you,
which is like the greatest gift an actor could ever have.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
You know, it was really great writing, I mean, his beyond.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
But when I went back, I mean I knew at
the time, We all knew at the time because they
were also right there. Like in television, you know, you
have the joy of really having a collaborative experience with
your writers. So they were always with us, and Michael
Patrick was always available. Like there were a few times
early on where you know, they might go home at
four am or whatever it was, you mean, and if
(06:43):
a director you know, didn't get like because sometimes Peo
wouldn't really get Charlotte and they would try to tell me, like,
you need to do this.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I'd be like, no, no, you don't understand Charlotte. I'd call
Michael up. I'd wake them up. Help, help, can you
call it? You know the character right, And Michael supported that,
I know.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
So even though we didn't have a producing credit in
the beginning at all, so Jessica did, but the rest
of us didn't. We were very included and respected and
collaborated with and all of those things that make for great.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Well that shows right, you know, this is what you
need because It is interesting how like the name of
the podcast, are you a Charlotte or You're a Miranda?
Are you? That that is an incredible marketing tool and
also shows just how much it was resonating culturally at
the time, because it really is that. I mean, you
guys were really zeroing in on something that had never
(07:31):
been spoken out loud before. It's true, like truly know
and watching the show thinking about all of this stuff
that you guys were doing and saying, thinking about those
things being said for the first time, that really drives
home how important that this is true. It's true, A
lot of it not true. And also I mean like.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
We were trying to be funny too, rights and that's
the thing that was great about it. And I think
we knew like there was a lot of negative Like
we had to way through a lot of negative at
the beginning because people were like, who do they think
they are?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
You know?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Which I think that that that we had a new
version of that with them, just like that because now
we're older, right, so people are have a lot of
feelings about that interesting about what it's a different show,
which I also think we knew that we were trying
to make a different show. But that's a weird thing
to do, to take the same characters and make a
different show with a different tone and adding new characters.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
And was it like how dare these women who are
in their fifties do and say that interesting?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
And also we don't because we weren't obviously still we
had different subject matter that you were dealing with in
your quarties, right, like death and cancer.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Funny to say it out loud, because we were still
trying to be funny. So it was a big it
was a big ask, yeah, right, And I think we
were I at least was a little naive about that,
Like we just thought like, yeah, let's do it, you know,
because you get a creative idea, you get charged up,
you get excited, and we didn't necessarily think about all
the people who aren't our age and that they would
(09:02):
feel feelings about that, you know what I'm saying. But whatever,
we did it, and I stand by it, you know
what I'm saying, because that's what you have to do
when you do creative things, right, right.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, you never know how it's going to be received
and you can't control it. You can't control it.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, but the thing in the beginning was that, like
I would say, at least the first two years, a
lot of the at the time, it was still like,
you know, newspapers had like reviewers and they were older
white men, right, and they'd be like, oh do these
women think they are?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
You know?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And then one was like, I wouldn't date any of
these women except for that brown haired one. She always
seems nice, I mean, like the most insane, you know.
And then I remember when we did the first film,
even I don't know how much I should say, but
a big deal reviewer that we would all be looking to, like,
what is this newspaper going to say? The entire first
(09:53):
paragraph was about whether the four of us had botox
or not.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Wow, Like what the A big reviewer was a woman?
A woman, Jesus can you believe? Like, and you're just
like what what what? What? What? Well? I do remember
culturally when the first movie came out, everybody being like,
this is adorable. They're gonna put a sex and as
(10:19):
if anyone really wants this or needs this, and then
it was you, right, against all odds, I went opening
weekend with my wife. Oh, of course that's adorable. Of
course it was packed at the Arc Light with the
Arc Light Magical having a blast in their outfits. I'm sure,
I'm sure. I just I wasn't. You weren't saying about that,
(10:42):
I understand, but it felt like a cultural moment and
was like holy yeah, Sex and the City because it
had only been off the air for a few years
at that point, right.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Well more years than we had planned, because we wanted
to do it right away. And when I had christ
Albrecht on, which was really fun because he was in
charge of HBO Original and then HBO and then he
is the one. They kind of had an idea together
Michael Patrick, Sair, Jessica and he, but it was HBO
within the time Warner Umbrella. No one knew who's going
to finance it or distribute it, right, So he commissioned
(11:13):
the script from Michael Patrick.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
He had all of us on hold. Yeah, and it
was part of our bigger contract.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
You know how as you go along in the show,
your contract gets more and more complicated. Exactly as you're
trying to get more money, you have to give more things.
So we had that had been part of what we've
had to give to I'm just gonna get specific for
everyone I hope it's okay to get a point.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
So the rest of us didn't have a point option
for a movie exactly exactly, which of course I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I was like, you could pay me nothing and I
would do the movie, you know, like my god, of
course I do the movie. But I'm not going to
be stupid either, right, So they were going to pay
us what I thought was a fine amount, and they
paid us just a little bit to hold us.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
But I still was like, call me when the movie
is ready and I'll be there or wherever it is,
you know. So it end up being like three years.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
So then it didn't they let the hold expire because
they couldn't figure out.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I mean yes and no. You know what I'm saying, well,
but you can read yes yes. But it was dicey.
Let me put it that way. It was for me
might never get made.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yes, yes, yes definitely, And also like because I really
felt like we should get to do that, and how
amazing that we would get to make a movie and
this is not normal that a TV show that no
one ever thought was going to succeed like we did
about women at the time over thirty, which was like right,
(12:38):
we would.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Then get to make a movie.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I mean, I was like, this is a blessing and insane,
like amazing situation.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Let's just do it for free.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
You know that's me, right, But don't do it for
that And I didn't. Obviously obviously I didn't. And there
are people around me to protect me from those impulses.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
But those also as actors. And I know that you
started out doing guest spots and then that roast place,
and and we always have this mentality and I still do. Yeah,
which is something that I have to fight against too,
which is, yeah, whatever you want, you know, it's hard
that you really it is something you have to you have.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
To work hard at because it's not like and I
think it's so different now. The business is so different
now and also changing as we speak, right, but like
you have to think in a different way about like
you're a commodity and that's not how we started.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
That's not what we wanted. You were never thinking that, No,
and when we started, there wasn't social media and that
gen x ethos of the last thing I want to
do is appear like I'm selling out or reaching for
something totally, which I still fight. It's hard, it is,
it is hard because you know, even the generation behind
(13:50):
us was like, yeah, I don't care if anyone sees
me reaching for something or sees my or up front
with ambition. It was it was sort of a dirty
word when we were oh yeah, and it's even more
complicated for women to.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Oh yeah if you said ambition or more complicated. Yes,
it's annoyment if you said ambition. I mean, people just
like shut down and the weirdest, weirdest way.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
But now I mean, and there's a lot I have
to push through a lot of that. Like I have
younger people who helped me with my social media and
they're like, we're gonna film me in the kitchen, and
part of me's like no, ye, you're still like.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Ah, and you're like, I I got it. But yeah,
it's very, very different.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Carrie Bradshaw ended up on her own. But you don't
have to not if you listen to I Do Part Two,
listen to I Do Part Two on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I love that you know, those of us who are
lucky enough to still in it and working that were
you know that we're still here right and that you
know like, for instance, Severance. I mean, like if you
were to look at Parks and rec which is one
of my all time favorite shows in the world. And
like you and Amy talked about, you know when people
say to you, which also is how we feel about
(15:16):
sex and the city that is comfort like a comfort watch.
There's no greater compliment. Yeah, and we were never thinking
like that back then. You never know, no, you know,
you never know.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
You never know how something's going to land, or if
if or how something will last too right right, And.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Over time it changes and shifts, which is so amazing.
And I had no idea that you'd watch the show
three times. I thought you were just watching it because
you were talking about the freshness of it.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Think it was my first time. Yeah, yeah, but I
was rediscovering certain things about it going through the entire
thing again. And it's tough to start the show and
not work your way through the whole thing, which is
so nice. It is, Yeah, especially since the first season
and and a half just form. It's just so different,
so different because you have the talking has.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
People on the street, yes, and we're breaking the fourth wall,
which was very hard to do.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
But then when you guys found it and settled into
what it was. Yes, then it really but it still
worked in that other form. It was just not you know,
every show has to find itself.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Absolutely absolutely. But let me just say quickly about Severns.
I don't want to go down a severance thing because
I feel like you just talked about Severns for literally
so many months.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
But like with the lead up to the Emmys, I
was like, poor Adam, Oh my god. I talked to everyone.
I was impressed. Okay, I was impressed.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
And I also just want to say side note that
I wasn't watching the Emmies because it's with my kids
and we don't watch stuff like that, but I had
my alert on because I was really bullying for.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
You, Like, in my mind, you are the winner. I
love Noah as well, but I mean he's great.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I mean he's incredible, and it's so wonderful to see
him back, obviously, but I also really really wanted you to.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
I just want to see. One of my very first
jobs ever was on er and the first season of VR.
You two really, Yes, it was such a big deal.
Crazy Who did you play? What did you do? I
played someone I had like three lines. I got in
a car accident or somebody.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Well I had a sick child, child, I want to say,
and I went to see, Oh my god, you are
looking Oh my god, you have a whole neck brace on.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Wasn't it fun to be on that set? Yeah? I
remember I forgot I took the thing out of my
nose between takes and forgot to put it in. Oh no,
and they got pissed off that I had forgotten. Oh no.
Did they do like many, many, many takes? I don't remember,
but I remember it was a lot of like one
or like it was on me front being rolled into
(17:46):
the hospital. Oh yeah, those were the big takes. These
are the big takes.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I went and like kind of hung out because I
was so into it and you could feel the energy
that it was a hit.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah right away. When I remember when I did my episode,
it was George Clooney was on the cover of TV Guide.
Wow the week I was there, and that was the
first time he had been on the cover, and everyone
was like, holy, George is on the cover of TV Guide,
What the is going on? And so it was right
(18:17):
when it was starting, it was Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
My scenes were with George, So you know, it's really
fun yeah, and I had to flirt with him. And
my big challenge in my mind was how do I
get this guy like off his game because he was
so like he'd been working for so long and he
was so ready and he was so in charge. And
they were really little scenes, right, I was like, I
(18:40):
got to get his attention somehow. So I was like
mess with his foot like under the camera lens and
you know what I mean, he was just like, what
are you doing it? I didn't get his attention and
it was fun. Yes I did, Yes I did. And
that you know, that was when you were a guest star.
You kind of had to you know, be creative right
of out how to make it work.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah. I that being a guest star is hard, very hard,
particularly when it's just hard because you know, everyone has
a secret handshake and they're all friends and they're tired,
and you're particularly when you're starting out, and you just
want to you're so sad. Yeah, you're so excited. You
just want to like make a mark somehow and do
(19:23):
something special or interesting. Yeah. Yeah, they were very nice,
but I'm glad. Yeah. Yeah, No, it was a big thing.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
And I remember one day I went and Noah was there,
and of course he was so young, you know, and
and George were doing tricks in the wheelchair like wheelie's
and whatever, and I was like, this is a trip
and a half. And they did like thirty six takes
of one of those really complicated on ers where literally
the entire cast is there crossing through and you know,
doing all that super creative stuff, which was really fun
(19:51):
to watch and so different. And I feel like, sometimes,
you know, sometimes it it like that was a procedural
medical show, but yet it broke the mold. You know,
it was a it was a brand new vibe and
visuals and all that, and that's partly why it hit
in the pit, I think for Noah, and also I
think like to see Noah aging and deepening, and it's
(20:15):
one of those things where I'm like, see, like no
one complains about that, right, but yet they complain about
our faces like it's annoying, ridiculous, right, But like no,
it's like it's gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, he's a very handsome man.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
He was always so handsome, right, but now he's like
a man, like a deep man, and like the soulness,
soul fullness in his just standing there, you know, it's
so incredible, but I still wanted you to win.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
And I was really like I was.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I was like, oh, no, you guys, I said to
my kids, and they were like what. And my daughter
has not watched Severance, though she knows about it because
her her friends talk about it and I talk about it.
But but I was like, Adam didn't win, but a
lot of the other cast.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
One which was great, yes, yeah, Britt, and which is great.
I mean they're incredible. Yeah, yes. I do have this
weird actor theory.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
And I don't know if it's all aready out there,
but when I watch the show, the thing that I
think about, you know, when you're working, like, first of all,
whenever they show that parking lot outside the building is
so sad, you know. And sometimes when you're shooting on
a lot, not not Warner Brothers or not even this
weird deserted Disney lot, but like you know, you go
sometimes to some weird places right that are desolate kind
(21:21):
of like.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Right, like local weird location, we'd locations.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
And then when you go in and you go down
the elevator and you become your any I'm like, that's
like the hair and makeup trailer totally right. And then
you're like one person during the day, meaning you're character
at work, but also you're with a whole bunch of
different people.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
But it's very intense.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
And then some people, not you or I of course,
but some people have affairs on sheets. And then you
have to choose between.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Your world and the inside world, and which one's more powerful.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
That's what I think about when I watch. But it
leaves out so many levels. Of course, the corporate world,
and you know, it leaves.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Out a lot. You know what I loved When I
was a kid, I was the one of the remember
when like the Looney Tunes cartoons would have it was
like bugs, bunny and stuff. But then they would also
have these like one offs, Yeah, like characters in the
bottle episode. It was like bottle episodes. But there were
or I guess it was a recurring thing. Every once
in a while, they would have a two animals. I
(22:21):
think it was like, uh, I don't know, for the
sake of argument, a coyote and a rabbit, right, and
they would walk to work together and chit chat, and
they were buddies. They would put their lunch in their
locker and they're chit chatting the whole time. They would
punch in and then they would chase each other all
day and they were enemies, like, yeah, it's just like
(22:42):
that fishing, you know, anvils on each other and stuff.
Oh my god, pictures amazing. And then at the end
of the day they would punch out and then they
would chit chat and walk home together. Love it. And
that was fascinating as a little kid. For whatever reason,
that struck a chord with me. And that's always what
(23:03):
I thought about with Severance too. It was like, it's
supposal like acting. It is like acting. You know, you
walk your and then you know, shoe guns of people.
That's why I liked it so much, is because it
felt like yeah, and I when I was a little kid,
I think I knew that I wanted to be in
movies or TV shows or whatever, and maybe that just
kind of fit in that sort.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I think it definitely does. I think it definitely does.
And I mean I know there's a lot more to Severance.
I don't mean to say no, no, no, not right
right like that. Also, that's when you know something worked,
is when you can project your own totally things on it.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
But it is it's like going and getting into your
wardrobe and hair and makeup, and then you're just in
this different world for twelve hours exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
The thing that also makes me think about it is
your hair, yes, because when you're an inny, that hair
is placed very specifically. Man, I mean, I'm like, how
much work goes into that A lot?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Take straight laugh. I can see it when I'm watching it.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
But then you have the contrast of you being your
Audi and your hair's all a mess, which is adorable.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
But also, does Judy Chin do your show? She did
in season two. Love Judy Chin so much.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
She did our show for a very long time, and
I want to have her on the podcast, but we
can't play, right.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Isn't she just the best? And now has an Academy
Award sitting at home, which is incredible, incredible. We were
shooting the show, amazing, amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
She towards the end was flip flopping Sir Jessica and
I because Sir Jessica worked more hours than I did,
so and she'd already had a child, and also my
makeup artist, Nikki Liederman, had had a child, so everyone
was trying to not have to do Sarah all the time. Sure,
because they were trying to live through like their family life,
so they'd flip us back and forth. And they're both incredible.
(24:55):
But I think what they do is so amazing. It's
fun to talk to them.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, you know. Yeah, and Judy. Judy is one of
those people who's just like, she did a beard on
me in season two, and beards are hard. It's her specialty. Yeah,
she did eyebrows on me when I have to be
a man. I just watched an episode this morning, Yes, Yes,
with you and Dominic Donovan Lee Donovan le Yes. It
(25:22):
just wasn't the smart That's funny, it's great, it's weird.
I mean I just watched it like six months ago
or yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a weird one. It's
funny and weird. And that's I remember. That was a
big deal because Alanis Morissett is in that episode. That
was everywhere I know. But that was such a great
Charlotte moment too, because Charlotte really is like I said,
(25:46):
she really, she's constantly contradicting herself and breaking that mold.
That was was a great sort of general tool for
the show. But within the kind of guts of the show,
she is not that one thing at all, and it
is constantly surprising herself. Thank god, right, thank God.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
That's why she's so fun. So when people say like,
are you tired of playing the same character over thirty years,
I'm like, no, No, it's because it's she grows and
changes like everyone does.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
But also when she I think the relationship with Kyle
McLaughlan is where she really grows. Like I feel like
she never would have been able to find Harry without
the relationship with Kyle.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Most definitely, definitely, definitely, definitely, like that.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Is just kind of made her so much stronger to
really find the person she loves most definitely.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
And I mean when I watched this episode that we're
going to talk about because obviously we have other things
to talk about that are really fun, but we will
talk about the episode when so would they Michael Patrick
would sit us down before every season. I don't know
if you guys do this. Did it on Parks and Record,
did it on Severance or whatever? I mean you probably
know the plan or whatever. You would sit each of
us down alone and say like, this is what I'm thinking, right,
(27:03):
this is your arc, right, these are the big picture things,
and you know then I knew, so, you know, early on,
Charlotte's very underwritten because she wasn't really so much in
Kennis's book or column, like she was an amalgam of
different people basically. And Michael Patrick had said to me
when he I think him on the pod, he said,
you know, when I got there, which was in season one,
(27:25):
Darren started the show. Of course, then he brought Michael
Patrick in. Michael Patrick been a stand up, so he
knew comedy, which was super helpful. And he said he
I looked at this one and I knew what you write.
I knew it this one. And then I looked at
you and I was like, I don't know her, and I.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Was like, I mean, neither did I. We were creating it.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Right, and I of course was doing all the actor
work in my head, you know what I'm trying to say,
and just trying to make more in myself.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
It's so interesting because thinking about the show and watching
it from the beginning, it seemed like you knew exactly
who that person was really at the start. Yeah, Oh
that's nice. I mean she definitely grew, but it it
felt very specific from the very good start. I tried
so hard, Yeah, I tried so hard.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
I mean, I think a lot of it because in
the beginning, when you look at it, it's really the
four of them together a lot, right, Like, it takes
a while for us to have decent storylines outside.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
So I knew how to be.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I knew the note I was supposed to play in
the foursome, you know what I'm saying. That was like
my I felt very solid about that, right And of course,
because they were also distinct and unique, and each actor
was so specific and unique, and we were together twenty
four to seven. You know, it did a lot of
my work for me. But then I was trying to
fill out the back you know, the stuff that we
(28:38):
do in acting class years. Yeah, saying I was always
trying to do that.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
But were you also at the time coming from melrose Place?
I never was. I didn't watch melrose Place. That's okay,
I would imagine it was. It was. It was a
completely different tone, completely different. So when you started Sex
and the City, were you like this this is you know?
(29:05):
Were you? Because it must have been just so much
the material was so much more interesting, Yeah, and there
was so much more for you to dig into, even
though it was kind of a limited real estate at first, Yeah,
were you just trying to not rock the boat and
just figure out, like you said, figure out what notes
(29:26):
to play within the foursome?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I mean, there was not any not rocking the boat,
right because like we at the beginning, we did the
whole first thirteen well, we did the pilot. Then we
had to wait like a year. It seemed like forever.
Sara Jessica tells me it wasn't that long, but I
felt like it was a year and a half for
them to pick us up because HBO was just starting, right,
they didn't really have anything, you know, they had Larry
Sanders exactly, which was wonderful, which I got to be honest, well,
(29:51):
which was great, that's right, Yeah, yeah, great, great, Oh
my god, like us right, Garry, it was amazing. So
it was more like being like when I read that
script they sent it to me for Carrie because sar
Jusca was in the mix, then got cold feet, and
I was right, I was like, I can't, couldn't possibly
because also she was written much more like Candice the
(30:13):
actual person, right, Like she smoked like non stop and
swore and a little bit more Samantha ish I guess
I was like, I can't.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I can't pull that off.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
You know, I know myself well enough, right, But I
said to Darren, who I already knew from Melrose, I said,
I could play this other one.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I need this other one.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
And I think part of that was because I come
from the South, so I was surrounded by women who
were just dying to get married and very conventional and
you know whatnot even though I'm not personally so much that.
So I said, I need to be her?
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Please? Can I be her?
Speaker 1 (30:43):
So then I still had to test and all that,
and I still had to wait and all that, which
was great, And then there was some debate because at
the time, first of all, for me, it was so
shockingly different from anything right to have four women, even
though Carrie was clearly the lead, there were four strong
women characters who were all different and like walking around
Manhattan like that was like what, yeah, you know, I
(31:05):
was like, I need to do that, Like I'm not
that at all, but I want to play that, you know, those.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Like you'd never like this was a brand new yes,
oh absolutely, and I wanted to be part of it.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
And I thought it would be a tiny, little cult
type level like like Larry Sanders was at the time.
I think Larry's gotten Gary. Larry have gotten the respect
over time.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
But it was niche. But at the time you didn't
even know it was possible for a show on premium
cable to resonate with the post.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
No, we had no precedent, right, we had no precedent.
So for and I was totally fine with that. I
was like, let's be a niche show and just try
to keep it going, right. We were all in that together,
you know, and the fact that it was different, and
the fact that we were pushing the.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Limits and we didn't really know what we were.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
And Darren would come down because Darren had come from
Network Network Network and wanted to change. But also we
HBO was very much uh was like hands off, like
they kind of let us find ourselves, you know. But
that was also slightly scary, right, So I remember sometimes
Darren would come down.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
First scene exactly totally. He'd come down.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
He'd be like, you guys, you guys, whenever you got
panics is the hands would come up.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
You've got to be funny. Okay, you've got to be funny,
I know.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
And we'd be like, uh, but the script is the
same as it was yesterday, like what we're not rewriting
like a sitcom, Like what what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
You know, and we'd just be like, okay, Darren try
to be well. He was getting pressure from.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Someone said something right or he thought something or he
you know whatever based on yesterday's daily or whatever, right,
who knows. Then like the next week he'd come down,
he'd be like, you, guys, you have to.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Be sexy, and I'd be like, okay, okay, like.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I have nothing on the on the page to be
sexy with the okay.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
So it was a little bit like that, but also fun.
So it was Michael Patrick King not involved it all
at first, not at first.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Not at first, like not the pilot. He came in
I think the first episode. I think he was for
a while it was him and Darren alone in the
writing room. Then they brought in Jenny Bicks.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
That was their first femail like three people.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, and then finally Cindy, which we're seeing Cindy's work
now third season shoot back exactly, and then like we
added women as we went basically, but it was just
the two of them the whole first season.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
And it's like I know, it's amazing. It's amazing also visually,
like there's that episode where it's Carrie's birthday and no
one shows up at the rest of a mix up
and then she walks, she gets home and there's a
car there and the door opens and balloons pop out.
You don't even see Big. He probably wasn't even on
(33:47):
set for that shot just with the balloons, but we
know Big so well, Like you could watch that show
with the sound off and know exactly what's going on,
which is incredible.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
It's incredible, And that's one of the things that's great
about rewatching it because at the time, back in the day,
first of all, we're working our asses off, right, like
it was all the time.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah, you know, so intense as you have like four
or five days to shoot episodes something like that. I mean,
it's hard to remember how fast we had to do.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
But like, I know, this episode that we're going to
talk about eventually, it was the first episode of season three.
The first week of season three was one hundred hours Jesus,
So I mean, like it was, it was a lot.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
And on top of that, because yeah, yeah, I mean
you guys were you were on the ferry, you were.
I mean, there's a lot to shoot dancing. Oh my godness,
I've ad forgotten how well we can talk about when
we talked about but yeah, I mean there's so much.
There's a lot for twenty five minutes.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I mean it's insane how much we could we could
pack in and they would give us.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
It was more a budget.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
For like a regular half hour, but because we had
to the way that they wrote everyone's storylines. Once we
get the vibe of that, we're all going to have
the different pieces of the theme right that she's writing about.
Once that started to click, which is third season, it's
really come together right then, you know, her voiceover will
say like and then uptown Charlotte, No, no, no, no, But
(35:11):
we don't have that budget, right, so like we would
cross cross purpose locations. You know, we remember them having
like the big league lights and like walking down the
street with them, like to the next corner where we'd
have you know, I mean, like crazy almost filmmaking, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, because in order to pull off these stories, you
guys had to do that because the like you said,
season three, the aperture of the show just kind of
widens and you guys are taking it becomes kind of
this epic thing and by that point, you guys realize
you're representing women started right, right, but we is starting
(35:50):
to when the Alanismore said episode for instance, when that happened,
that was everywhere like this, Like you guys were were
settling in to being a phenomenon. Maybe it wasn't like
at It's like it wasn't full fledged yet. I don't remember,
(36:11):
but I remember.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Three is when it became a big deal because season
three is when we got nominated for the Emmy, which
was like.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
The shops for the first two No, and we never
thought we would. We never entered our mind. It never
entered my mind.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
We used to joke that Darren and I would joke
we'd get a Cable Ace Award one.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Day, right right right? That was they still have the
I don't think so. I think they're gone. I think
they're going.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
But the thing that I think was great was just
going through that together, you know what I'm saying, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
And knowing that you started as this little thing, and
you must have constantly been looking at each other like
only we.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Still do We still do sure because we still feel
the same, right.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Twenty seven years later? Yeah, and I a second series
two movies like it's yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Insane, right, But I think the thing that is sometimes
strange is that so we remember what it all felt like, right,
which is an amazing thing to share. But from the outside,
it seems like it was always meant to be this
big thing or like that we were handed stuff but no,
and that's why then when the show and just like
that ended and everyone's all shocked.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Like, well, what do you mean, We're like, you, guys,
it's all hard. It is hard to make anything right.
It's so hard. Work hard or not, it's so hard.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Okay, Adam, this is so much fun, and and we
could talk all of our industry stuff and all of
our shows forever. You guys, check back in with us.
We're going to be recapping where there's smoke later in
the week.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Okay, Bye,
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
you a Charlotte?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Do you guys? I do have Adam Scott here.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'll just say it out loud, just on the air,
because there's also the weird YouTube of it all about.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Right that you guys we did YouTube?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
We do?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, do you guys? No, because we don't film it.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Really interesting when I first came to iHeart, they didn't
film it, but I listened to the town and on
the town they said that video.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Is the new audios. So I was like, oh, it
really is got to catch up. I know. We just
we just didn't you know what. We put ours together
in such a hurry because we were it was like
the show was coming out in in January, and I
guess it was around November. Ben and I in particular
(00:57):
were worried about the people who watch Sees in one
coming back first because it had been three years.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Oh my god, three three years, Oh my god. Also
it's so dense in plot. Yes, so we were we
didn't know if people would watch. All we wanted was
those who saw the first season and come back. And
so my wife Naomi was.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Like, you guys should do a podcast yes, and so
we did like a recap podcast of the first season
and then did it for season two. So it was
kind of in a hurry. So we as far as
video video and stuff, we just didn't have the wear it.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Well, it doesn't seem in a hurry. It seems very organized.
Oh thanks, Well that's because Naomi was producing. Okay, and also.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Pineapple Studios is so great and they made it too,
got it? Got it well?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I love it because I also love the show Severance obviously,
but also I really really love Parks and rec So
when you're on Amy's podcast.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I was like, that's where I talked about Yeah, which
really made my day. I was so excited. It was
so funny. That was great when you reached out, it
was a big deal. I'm so glad. It's adorable.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
I mean, also, it was so funny because you know,
she does that thing where at the end of her
podcast she says, what's making you left these days? And
you said sex and the City and she was like, really,
was like, Amy, it's not that crazy, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Maybe maybe, yeah, I think it. I think I also
presented it as a thing like I'm not gonna because
usually you talk about something that's that's like right now. Yeah.
And Sex and the City is something that I watched
while it was on Okay, I rewatched it again during
the pandemic. Wow, And then when we recorded the podcast,
(02:44):
I was in the midst of another rewatch and irelanda
River when you were away. Yeah, And so it's just
a show that I don't do. You want to talk
about it? I told it's so important, and I think
the importance of it really hit me the second time.
(03:05):
The second time I watched it through during the pandemic.
I started it when I had COVID pre vaccine, right,
So we were shooting the show and had to shut
down because I had it, and it was pre vaccine.
If you got COVID, it was hardcore, man, Like you're
down for two weeks and you're very sick, and you're
(03:27):
by yourself because no one and I was out in
New York by myself anyway. So anyway, Sex and the
City was like the thing that I really connected to.
And you know, when you're watching a show on a
loop and you have a fever, You're like, these people
are here for me. And so I had this real
connection to it and had watched it while it was on,
(03:49):
But at this time I was really zeroing in on
it for how excellent it was as a show, just
really breaking the form and doing something new with it,
and these characters are just so fascinating. But then the
next time I went through it this year, I think
(04:10):
I was really zeroing in on how important the show
I mean really, and also being the father of a
teenage daughter at something like this being out in the
world there for her whenever she wants it. Is always
wondering like has she watched yes, okay? And how old
she's watching it right now? Seventeen? Got it? Oh that's good.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I have a fourteen year old girl and I haven't
really let her watch it yet, though some of her
friends have, right who are maybe a little bit more,
you know, less sheltered or whatever. And also because it's me,
it's weird, I would imagine, you know, it's strange. So
I can't decide the right because people keep saying like,
you should just let Emma watch it, and I mean
kind of I.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Feel like, yes, you know, because it is.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It's got so much stuff in there that is you're
not really going to hear other places, and it's done
without shame you know, the whole idea, that's key, right, Yes,
So I like that and I like her having access
in a way where you know, the ethos is correct, yes,
you know.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
But also I think it would be great for her
to watch it whenever you're ready for her to watch it,
because Charlotte is so complicated. Thank you. I'm so contradictory, Adam,
Thank you so truth. Definitely, I think, definitely, I think
in really interesting way. Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I mean it's really nice that you especially would feel
that way, because obviously I admire your work and you've
been around a long time and I think you're really smart.
But also in general, it's been interesting because it's been
almost thirty years that before we you know, film the pilot. Yeah,
there's been so many phases and for so long, like
I would say, a good decade.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I was the boring one. I was the prude.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah no, but right, right, but it's so interesting to watch. Like,
first of all, we were allowed to develop over time,
which is amazing and rare, And we had incredible writers
that you know, deepened and deepened and deepened and deepened that.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
We knew so well.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
So they were really like bespoke writing for me for you,
which is like the greatest gift an actor could ever have.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
You know, it was really great writing, I mean, his beyond.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
But when I went back, I mean I knew at
the time, We all knew at the time because they
were also right there. Like in television, you know, you
have the joy of really having a collaborative experience with
your writers. So they were always with us, and Michael
Patrick was always available. Like there were a few times
early on where you know, they might go home at
four am or whatever it was, you mean, and if
(06:43):
a director you know, didn't get like because sometimes Peo
wouldn't really get Charlotte and they would try to tell me, like,
you need to do this.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I'd be like, no, no, you don't understand Charlotte. I'd call
Michael up. I'd wake them up. Help, help, can you
call it? You know the character right, And Michael supported that,
I know.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
So even though we didn't have a producing credit in
the beginning at all, so Jessica did, but the rest
of us didn't. We were very included and respected and
collaborated with and all of those things that make for great.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Well that shows right, you know, this is what you
need because It is interesting how like the name of
the podcast, are you a Charlotte or You're a Miranda?
Are you? That that is an incredible marketing tool and
also shows just how much it was resonating culturally at
the time, because it really is that. I mean, you
guys were really zeroing in on something that had never
(07:31):
been spoken out loud before. It's true, like truly know
and watching the show thinking about all of this stuff
that you guys were doing and saying, thinking about those
things being said for the first time, that really drives
home how important that this is true. It's true, A
lot of it not true. And also I mean like.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
We were trying to be funny too, rights and that's
the thing that was great about it. And I think
we knew like there was a lot of negative Like
we had to way through a lot of negative at
the beginning because people were like, who do they think
they are?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
You know?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Which I think that that that we had a new
version of that with them, just like that because now
we're older, right, so people are have a lot of
feelings about that interesting about what it's a different show,
which I also think we knew that we were trying
to make a different show. But that's a weird thing
to do, to take the same characters and make a
different show with a different tone and adding new characters.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
And was it like how dare these women who are
in their fifties do and say that interesting?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
And also we don't because we weren't obviously still we
had different subject matter that you were dealing with in
your quarties, right, like death and cancer.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Funny to say it out loud, because we were still
trying to be funny. So it was a big it
was a big ask, yeah, right, And I think we
were I at least was a little naive about that,
Like we just thought like, yeah, let's do it, you know,
because you get a creative idea, you get charged up,
you get excited, and we didn't necessarily think about all
the people who aren't our age and that they would
(09:02):
feel feelings about that, you know what I'm saying. But whatever,
we did it, and I stand by it, you know
what I'm saying, because that's what you have to do
when you do creative things, right, right.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, you never know how it's going to be received
and you can't control it. You can't control it.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, but the thing in the beginning was that, like
I would say, at least the first two years, a
lot of the at the time, it was still like,
you know, newspapers had like reviewers and they were older
white men, right, and they'd be like, oh do these
women think they are?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
You know?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
And then one was like, I wouldn't date any of
these women except for that brown haired one. She always
seems nice, I mean, like the most insane, you know.
And then I remember when we did the first film,
even I don't know how much I should say, but
a big deal reviewer that we would all be looking to, like,
what is this newspaper going to say? The entire first
(09:53):
paragraph was about whether the four of us had botox
or not.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Wow, Like what the A big reviewer was a woman?
A woman, Jesus can you believe? Like, and you're just
like what what what? What? What? Well? I do remember
culturally when the first movie came out, everybody being like,
this is adorable. They're gonna put a sex and as
(10:19):
if anyone really wants this or needs this, and then
it was you, right, against all odds, I went opening
weekend with my wife. Oh, of course that's adorable. Of
course it was packed at the Arc Light with the
Arc Light Magical having a blast in their outfits. I'm sure,
I'm sure. I just I wasn't. You weren't saying about that,
(10:42):
I understand, but it felt like a cultural moment and
was like holy yeah, Sex and the City because it
had only been off the air for a few years
at that point, right.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Well more years than we had planned, because we wanted
to do it right away. And when I had christ
Albrecht on, which was really fun because he was in
charge of HBO Original and then HBO and then he
is the one. They kind of had an idea together
Michael Patrick, Sair, Jessica and he, but it was HBO
within the time Warner Umbrella. No one knew who's going
to finance it or distribute it, right, So he commissioned
(11:13):
the script from Michael Patrick.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
He had all of us on hold. Yeah, and it
was part of our bigger contract.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
You know how as you go along in the show,
your contract gets more and more complicated. Exactly as you're
trying to get more money, you have to give more things.
So we had that had been part of what we've
had to give to I'm just gonna get specific for
everyone I hope it's okay to get a point.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
So the rest of us didn't have a point option
for a movie exactly exactly, which of course I mean.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
I was like, you could pay me nothing and I
would do the movie, you know, like my god, of
course I do the movie. But I'm not going to
be stupid either, right, So they were going to pay
us what I thought was a fine amount, and they
paid us just a little bit to hold us.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
But I still was like, call me when the movie
is ready and I'll be there or wherever it is,
you know. So it end up being like three years.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
So then it didn't they let the hold expire because
they couldn't figure out.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
I mean yes and no. You know what I'm saying, well,
but you can read yes yes. But it was dicey.
Let me put it that way. It was for me
might never get made.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yes, yes, yes definitely, And also like because I really
felt like we should get to do that, and how
amazing that we would get to make a movie and
this is not normal that a TV show that no
one ever thought was going to succeed like we did
about women at the time over thirty, which was like right,
(12:38):
we would.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Then get to make a movie.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
I mean, I was like, this is a blessing and insane,
like amazing situation.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Let's just do it for free.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
You know that's me, right, But don't do it for
that And I didn't. Obviously obviously I didn't. And there
are people around me to protect me from those impulses.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
But those also as actors. And I know that you
started out doing guest spots and then that roast place,
and and we always have this mentality and I still do. Yeah,
which is something that I have to fight against too,
which is, yeah, whatever you want, you know, it's hard
that you really it is something you have to you have.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
To work hard at because it's not like and I
think it's so different now. The business is so different
now and also changing as we speak, right, but like
you have to think in a different way about like
you're a commodity and that's not how we started.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
That's not what we wanted. You were never thinking that, No,
and when we started, there wasn't social media and that
gen x ethos of the last thing I want to
do is appear like I'm selling out or reaching for
something totally, which I still fight. It's hard, it is,
it is hard because you know, even the generation behind
(13:50):
us was like, yeah, I don't care if anyone sees
me reaching for something or sees my or up front
with ambition. It was it was sort of a dirty
word when we were oh yeah, and it's even more
complicated for women to.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Oh yeah if you said ambition or more complicated. Yes,
it's annoyment if you said ambition. I mean, people just
like shut down and the weirdest, weirdest way.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
But now I mean, and there's a lot I have
to push through a lot of that. Like I have
younger people who helped me with my social media and
they're like, we're gonna film me in the kitchen, and
part of me's like no, ye, you're still like.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Ah, and you're like, I I got it. But yeah,
it's very, very different.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Carrie Bradshaw ended up on her own. But you don't
have to not if you listen to I Do Part Two,
listen to I Do Part Two on the iHeartRadio app,
Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I love that you know, those of us who are
lucky enough to still in it and working that were
you know that we're still here right and that you
know like, for instance, Severance. I mean, like if you
were to look at Parks and rec which is one
of my all time favorite shows in the world. And
like you and Amy talked about, you know when people
say to you, which also is how we feel about
(15:16):
sex and the city that is comfort like a comfort watch.
There's no greater compliment. Yeah, and we were never thinking
like that back then. You never know, no, you know,
you never know.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
You never know how something's going to land, or if
if or how something will last too right right, And.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Over time it changes and shifts, which is so amazing.
And I had no idea that you'd watch the show
three times. I thought you were just watching it because
you were talking about the freshness of it.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Think it was my first time. Yeah, yeah, but I
was rediscovering certain things about it going through the entire
thing again. And it's tough to start the show and
not work your way through the whole thing, which is
so nice. It is, Yeah, especially since the first season
and and a half just form. It's just so different,
so different because you have the talking has.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
People on the street, yes, and we're breaking the fourth wall,
which was very hard to do.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
But then when you guys found it and settled into
what it was. Yes, then it really but it still
worked in that other form. It was just not you know,
every show has to find itself.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Absolutely absolutely. But let me just say quickly about Severns.
I don't want to go down a severance thing because
I feel like you just talked about Severns for literally
so many months.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
But like with the lead up to the Emmys, I
was like, poor Adam, Oh my god. I talked to everyone.
I was impressed. Okay, I was impressed.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
And I also just want to say side note that
I wasn't watching the Emmies because it's with my kids
and we don't watch stuff like that, but I had
my alert on because I was really bullying for.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
You, Like, in my mind, you are the winner. I
love Noah as well, but I mean he's great.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I mean he's incredible, and it's so wonderful to see
him back, obviously, but I also really really wanted you to.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
I just want to see. One of my very first
jobs ever was on er and the first season of VR.
You two really, Yes, it was such a big deal.
Crazy Who did you play? What did you do? I
played someone I had like three lines. I got in
a car accident or somebody.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Well I had a sick child, child, I want to say,
and I went to see, Oh my god, you are
looking Oh my god, you have a whole neck brace on.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Wasn't it fun to be on that set? Yeah? I
remember I forgot I took the thing out of my
nose between takes and forgot to put it in. Oh no,
and they got pissed off that I had forgotten. Oh no.
Did they do like many, many, many takes? I don't remember,
but I remember it was a lot of like one
or like it was on me front being rolled into
(17:46):
the hospital. Oh yeah, those were the big takes. These
are the big takes.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I went and like kind of hung out because I
was so into it and you could feel the energy
that it was a hit.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah right away. When I remember when I did my episode,
it was George Clooney was on the cover of TV Guide.
Wow the week I was there, and that was the
first time he had been on the cover, and everyone
was like, holy, George is on the cover of TV Guide,
What the is going on? And so it was right
(18:17):
when it was starting, it was Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
My scenes were with George, So you know, it's really
fun yeah, and I had to flirt with him. And
my big challenge in my mind was how do I
get this guy like off his game because he was
so like he'd been working for so long and he
was so ready and he was so in charge. And
they were really little scenes, right, I was like, I
(18:40):
got to get his attention somehow. So I was like
mess with his foot like under the camera lens and
you know what I mean, he was just like, what
are you doing it? I didn't get his attention and
it was fun. Yes I did, Yes I did. And
that you know, that was when you were a guest star.
You kind of had to you know, be creative right
of out how to make it work.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah. I that being a guest star is hard, very hard,
particularly when it's just hard because you know, everyone has
a secret handshake and they're all friends and they're tired,
and you're particularly when you're starting out, and you just
want to you're so sad. Yeah, you're so excited. You
just want to like make a mark somehow and do
(19:23):
something special or interesting. Yeah. Yeah, they were very nice,
but I'm glad. Yeah. Yeah, No, it was a big thing.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
And I remember one day I went and Noah was there,
and of course he was so young, you know, and
and George were doing tricks in the wheelchair like wheelie's
and whatever, and I was like, this is a trip
and a half. And they did like thirty six takes
of one of those really complicated on ers where literally
the entire cast is there crossing through and you know,
doing all that super creative stuff, which was really fun
(19:51):
to watch and so different. And I feel like, sometimes,
you know, sometimes it it like that was a procedural
medical show, but yet it broke the mold. You know,
it was a it was a brand new vibe and
visuals and all that, and that's partly why it hit
in the pit, I think for Noah, and also I
think like to see Noah aging and deepening, and it's
(20:15):
one of those things where I'm like, see, like no
one complains about that, right, but yet they complain about
our faces like it's annoying, ridiculous, right, But like no,
it's like it's gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, he's a very handsome man.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
He was always so handsome, right, but now he's like
a man, like a deep man, and like the soulness,
soul fullness in his just standing there, you know, it's
so incredible, but I still wanted you to win.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
And I was really like I was.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
I was like, oh, no, you guys, I said to
my kids, and they were like what. And my daughter
has not watched Severance, though she knows about it because
her her friends talk about it and I talk about it.
But but I was like, Adam didn't win, but a
lot of the other cast.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
One which was great, yes, yeah, Britt, and which is great.
I mean they're incredible. Yeah, yes. I do have this
weird actor theory.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
And I don't know if it's all aready out there,
but when I watch the show, the thing that I
think about, you know, when you're working, like, first of all,
whenever they show that parking lot outside the building is
so sad, you know. And sometimes when you're shooting on
a lot, not not Warner Brothers or not even this
weird deserted Disney lot, but like you know, you go
sometimes to some weird places right that are desolate kind
(21:21):
of like.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Right, like local weird location, we'd locations.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
And then when you go in and you go down
the elevator and you become your any I'm like, that's
like the hair and makeup trailer totally right. And then
you're like one person during the day, meaning you're character
at work, but also you're with a whole bunch of
different people.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
But it's very intense.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
And then some people, not you or I of course,
but some people have affairs on sheets. And then you
have to choose between.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Your world and the inside world, and which one's more powerful.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
That's what I think about when I watch. But it
leaves out so many levels. Of course, the corporate world,
and you know, it leaves.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Out a lot. You know what I loved When I
was a kid, I was the one of the remember
when like the Looney Tunes cartoons would have it was
like bugs, bunny and stuff. But then they would also
have these like one offs, Yeah, like characters in the
bottle episode. It was like bottle episodes. But there were
or I guess it was a recurring thing. Every once
in a while, they would have a two animals. I
(22:21):
think it was like, uh, I don't know, for the
sake of argument, a coyote and a rabbit, right, and
they would walk to work together and chit chat, and
they were buddies. They would put their lunch in their
locker and they're chit chatting the whole time. They would
punch in and then they would chase each other all
day and they were enemies, like, yeah, it's just like
(22:42):
that fishing, you know, anvils on each other and stuff.
Oh my god, pictures amazing. And then at the end
of the day they would punch out and then they
would chit chat and walk home together. Love it. And
that was fascinating as a little kid. For whatever reason,
that struck a chord with me. And that's always what
(23:03):
I thought about with Severance too. It was like, it's
supposal like acting. It is like acting. You know, you
walk your and then you know, shoe guns of people.
That's why I liked it so much, is because it
felt like yeah, and I when I was a little kid,
I think I knew that I wanted to be in
movies or TV shows or whatever, and maybe that just
kind of fit in that sort.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I think it definitely does. I think it definitely does.
And I mean I know there's a lot more to Severance.
I don't mean to say no, no, no, not right
right like that. Also, that's when you know something worked,
is when you can project your own totally things on it.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
But it is it's like going and getting into your
wardrobe and hair and makeup, and then you're just in
this different world for twelve hours exactly.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
The thing that also makes me think about it is
your hair, yes, because when you're an inny, that hair
is placed very specifically. Man, I mean, I'm like, how
much work goes into that A lot?
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Take straight laugh. I can see it when I'm watching it.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
But then you have the contrast of you being your
Audi and your hair's all a mess, which is adorable.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
But also, does Judy Chin do your show? She did
in season two. Love Judy Chin so much.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
She did our show for a very long time, and
I want to have her on the podcast, but we
can't play, right.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Isn't she just the best? And now has an Academy
Award sitting at home, which is incredible, incredible. We were
shooting the show, amazing, amazing.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
She towards the end was flip flopping Sir Jessica and
I because Sir Jessica worked more hours than I did,
so and she'd already had a child, and also my
makeup artist, Nikki Liederman, had had a child, so everyone
was trying to not have to do Sarah all the time. Sure,
because they were trying to live through like their family life,
so they'd flip us back and forth. And they're both incredible.
(24:55):
But I think what they do is so amazing. It's
fun to talk to them.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, you know. Yeah, and Judy. Judy is one of
those people who's just like, she did a beard on
me in season two, and beards are hard. It's her specialty. Yeah,
she did eyebrows on me when I have to be
a man. I just watched an episode this morning, Yes, Yes,
with you and Dominic Donovan Lee Donovan le Yes. It
(25:22):
just wasn't the smart That's funny, it's great, it's weird.
I mean I just watched it like six months ago
or yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a weird one. It's
funny and weird. And that's I remember. That was a
big deal because Alanis Morissett is in that episode. That
was everywhere I know. But that was such a great
Charlotte moment too, because Charlotte really is like I said,
(25:46):
she really, she's constantly contradicting herself and breaking that mold.
That was was a great sort of general tool for
the show. But within the kind of guts of the show,
she is not that one thing at all, and it
is constantly surprising herself. Thank god, right, thank God.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
That's why she's so fun. So when people say like,
are you tired of playing the same character over thirty years,
I'm like, no, No, it's because it's she grows and
changes like everyone does.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
But also when she I think the relationship with Kyle
McLaughlan is where she really grows. Like I feel like
she never would have been able to find Harry without
the relationship with Kyle.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Most definitely, definitely, definitely, definitely, like that.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Is just kind of made her so much stronger to
really find the person she loves most definitely.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
And I mean when I watched this episode that we're
going to talk about because obviously we have other things
to talk about that are really fun, but we will
talk about the episode when so would they Michael Patrick
would sit us down before every season. I don't know
if you guys do this. Did it on Parks and Record,
did it on Severance or whatever? I mean you probably
know the plan or whatever. You would sit each of
us down alone and say like, this is what I'm thinking, right,
(27:03):
this is your arc, right, these are the big picture things,
and you know then I knew, so, you know, early on,
Charlotte's very underwritten because she wasn't really so much in
Kennis's book or column, like she was an amalgam of
different people basically. And Michael Patrick had said to me
when he I think him on the pod, he said,
you know, when I got there, which was in season one,
(27:25):
Darren started the show. Of course, then he brought Michael
Patrick in. Michael Patrick been a stand up, so he
knew comedy, which was super helpful. And he said he
I looked at this one and I knew what you write.
I knew it this one. And then I looked at
you and I was like, I don't know her, and I.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
Was like, I mean, neither did I. We were creating it.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Right, and I of course was doing all the actor
work in my head, you know what I'm trying to say,
and just trying to make more in myself.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
It's so interesting because thinking about the show and watching
it from the beginning, it seemed like you knew exactly
who that person was really at the start. Yeah, Oh
that's nice. I mean she definitely grew, but it it
felt very specific from the very good start. I tried
so hard, Yeah, I tried so hard.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
I mean, I think a lot of it because in
the beginning, when you look at it, it's really the
four of them together a lot, right, Like, it takes
a while for us to have decent storylines outside.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
So I knew how to be.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I knew the note I was supposed to play in
the foursome, you know what I'm saying. That was like
my I felt very solid about that, right And of course,
because they were also distinct and unique, and each actor
was so specific and unique, and we were together twenty
four to seven. You know, it did a lot of
my work for me. But then I was trying to
fill out the back you know, the stuff that we
(28:38):
do in acting class years. Yeah, saying I was always
trying to do that.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
But were you also at the time coming from melrose Place?
I never was. I didn't watch melrose Place. That's okay,
I would imagine it was. It was. It was a
completely different tone, completely different. So when you started Sex
and the City, were you like this this is you know?
(29:05):
Were you? Because it must have been just so much
the material was so much more interesting, Yeah, and there
was so much more for you to dig into, even
though it was kind of a limited real estate at first, Yeah,
were you just trying to not rock the boat and
just figure out, like you said, figure out what notes
(29:26):
to play within the foursome?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
I mean, there was not any not rocking the boat,
right because like we at the beginning, we did the
whole first thirteen well, we did the pilot. Then we
had to wait like a year. It seemed like forever.
Sara Jessica tells me it wasn't that long, but I
felt like it was a year and a half for
them to pick us up because HBO was just starting, right,
they didn't really have anything, you know, they had Larry
Sanders exactly, which was wonderful, which I got to be honest, well,
(29:51):
which was great, that's right, Yeah, yeah, great, great, Oh
my god, like us right, Garry, it was amazing. So
it was more like being like when I read that
script they sent it to me for Carrie because sar
Jusca was in the mix, then got cold feet, and
I was right, I was like, I can't, couldn't possibly
because also she was written much more like Candice the
(30:13):
actual person, right, Like she smoked like non stop and
swore and a little bit more Samantha ish I guess
I was like, I can't.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
I can't pull that off.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
You know, I know myself well enough, right, But I
said to Darren, who I already knew from Melrose, I said,
I could play this other one.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I need this other one.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
And I think part of that was because I come
from the South, so I was surrounded by women who
were just dying to get married and very conventional and
you know whatnot even though I'm not personally so much that.
So I said, I need to be her?
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Please? Can I be her?
Speaker 1 (30:43):
So then I still had to test and all that,
and I still had to wait and all that, which
was great, And then there was some debate because at
the time, first of all, for me, it was so
shockingly different from anything right to have four women, even
though Carrie was clearly the lead, there were four strong
women characters who were all different and like walking around
Manhattan like that was like what, yeah, you know, I
(31:05):
was like, I need to do that, Like I'm not
that at all, but I want to play that, you know, those.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Like you'd never like this was a brand new yes,
oh absolutely, and I wanted to be part of it.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
And I thought it would be a tiny, little cult
type level like like Larry Sanders was at the time.
I think Larry's gotten Gary. Larry have gotten the respect
over time.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
But it was niche. But at the time you didn't
even know it was possible for a show on premium
cable to resonate with the post.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
No, we had no precedent, right, we had no precedent.
So for and I was totally fine with that. I
was like, let's be a niche show and just try
to keep it going, right. We were all in that together,
you know, and the fact that it was different, and
the fact that we were pushing the.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Limits and we didn't really know what we were.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
And Darren would come down because Darren had come from
Network Network Network and wanted to change. But also we
HBO was very much uh was like hands off, like
they kind of let us find ourselves, you know. But
that was also slightly scary, right, So I remember sometimes
Darren would come down.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
First scene exactly totally. He'd come down.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
He'd be like, you guys, you guys, whenever you got
panics is the hands would come up.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
You've got to be funny. Okay, you've got to be funny,
I know.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
And we'd be like, uh, but the script is the
same as it was yesterday, like what we're not rewriting
like a sitcom, Like what what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
You know, and we'd just be like, okay, Darren try
to be well. He was getting pressure from.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Someone said something right or he thought something or he
you know whatever based on yesterday's daily or whatever, right,
who knows. Then like the next week he'd come down,
he'd be like, you, guys, you have to.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Be sexy, and I'd be like, okay, okay, like.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
I have nothing on the on the page to be
sexy with the okay.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
So it was a little bit like that, but also fun.
So it was Michael Patrick King not involved it all
at first, not at first.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Not at first, like not the pilot. He came in
I think the first episode. I think he was for
a while it was him and Darren alone in the
writing room. Then they brought in Jenny Bicks.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
That was their first femail like three people.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, and then finally Cindy, which we're seeing Cindy's work
now third season shoot back exactly, and then like we
added women as we went basically, but it was just
the two of them the whole first season.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
And it's like I know, it's amazing. It's amazing also visually,
like there's that episode where it's Carrie's birthday and no
one shows up at the rest of a mix up
and then she walks, she gets home and there's a
car there and the door opens and balloons pop out.
You don't even see Big. He probably wasn't even on
(33:47):
set for that shot just with the balloons, but we
know Big so well, Like you could watch that show
with the sound off and know exactly what's going on,
which is incredible.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
It's incredible, And that's one of the things that's great
about rewatching it because at the time, back in the day,
first of all, we're working our asses off, right, like
it was all the time.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah, you know, so intense as you have like four
or five days to shoot episodes something like that. I mean,
it's hard to remember how fast we had to do.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
But like, I know, this episode that we're going to
talk about eventually, it was the first episode of season three.
The first week of season three was one hundred hours Jesus,
So I mean, like it was, it was a lot.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
And on top of that, because yeah, yeah, I mean
you guys were you were on the ferry, you were.
I mean, there's a lot to shoot dancing. Oh my godness,
I've ad forgotten how well we can talk about when
we talked about but yeah, I mean there's so much.
There's a lot for twenty five minutes.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
I mean it's insane how much we could we could
pack in and they would give us.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
It was more a budget.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
For like a regular half hour, but because we had
to the way that they wrote everyone's storylines. Once we
get the vibe of that, we're all going to have
the different pieces of the theme right that she's writing about.
Once that started to click, which is third season, it's
really come together right then, you know, her voiceover will
say like and then uptown Charlotte, No, no, no, no, But
(35:11):
we don't have that budget, right, so like we would
cross cross purpose locations. You know, we remember them having
like the big league lights and like walking down the
street with them, like to the next corner where we'd
have you know, I mean, like crazy almost filmmaking, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, because in order to pull off these stories, you
guys had to do that because the like you said,
season three, the aperture of the show just kind of
widens and you guys are taking it becomes kind of
this epic thing and by that point, you guys realize
you're representing women started right, right, but we is starting
(35:50):
to when the Alanismore said episode for instance, when that happened,
that was everywhere like this, Like you guys were were
settling in to being a phenomenon. Maybe it wasn't like
at It's like it wasn't full fledged yet. I don't remember,
(36:11):
but I remember.
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Three is when it became a big deal because season
three is when we got nominated for the Emmy, which
was like.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
The shops for the first two No, and we never
thought we would. We never entered our mind. It never
entered my mind.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
We used to joke that Darren and I would joke
we'd get a Cable Ace Award one.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Day, right right right? That was they still have the
I don't think so. I think they're gone. I think
they're going.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
But the thing that I think was great was just
going through that together, you know what I'm saying, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
And knowing that you started as this little thing, and
you must have constantly been looking at each other like
only we.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Still do We still do sure because we still feel
the same, right.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Twenty seven years later? Yeah, and I a second series
two movies like it's yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Insane, right, But I think the thing that is sometimes
strange is that so we remember what it all felt like, right,
which is an amazing thing to share. But from the outside,
it seems like it was always meant to be this
big thing or like that we were handed stuff but no,
and that's why then when the show and just like
that ended and everyone's all shocked.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Like, well, what do you mean, We're like, you, guys,
it's all hard. It is hard to make anything right.
It's so hard. Work hard or not, it's so hard.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Okay, Adam, this is so much fun, and and we
could talk all of our industry stuff and all of
our shows forever. You guys, check back in with us.
We're going to be recapping where there's smoke later in
the week.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Okay, Bye,
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