November 3, 2023 • 43 mins
Today on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” Joe and Serena break down the most dramatic moments from last night’s episodes of “The Golden Bachelor” and “Bachelor in Paradise.” The Golden Bachelor has brought a new dynamic to Hometowns week, and Joe and Serena have a ton of thoughts. They discuss the differences Hometowns revealed in Gerry’s relationships with each of the three women, how bringing the grandchildren in changes things, and, of course, that cliffhanger that no one saw coming.
Then in “Paradise,” things are as wild and chaotic ever. Joe and Serena share their take on Kat’s “homie hopping,” the confusion over what is happening with Jess and Blake, and whether they think Aaron B. really has anything to be worried about with Charity making a visit to the beach.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, everyone, welcome back to Batcheler Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm Joe and I'm Serena.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
We are so happy to be back. We are going
to be recapping Hometowns Bachelor in Paradise. We have two
guests this week, Jess and none other than the one
and only Cat. Cat has been involved in all the
Paradise drama. I would say she's probably the TV maker
(00:25):
of the group. What don't you?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I feel like when it all started going down with Kat,
there was a lot of like what is going on here?
But over the last two episodes, I've like grown very
attached to her and like grown to love her as
like an entertaining person on this beach.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Well, well she's just doing so we'll get into it.
I got a lot of thoughts on Jess.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, I was gonna say even like I think it
was this the episode that we're recapping right now. It
was like when Cat came on like thirty minutes and
I was like, all right, thank god, I know.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I was like, where's Kat, Like what's going on? Like
I need to know what she's doing right now.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
But first let's get into it. Because we we have
golden hometowns. We do have a little bit of a
different dynamic. Usually we see the person meeting the parents,
but now we see the person meeting the kids and
the grandkids, so it is it is different. It was
very entertaining. I really enjoyed it. Let's get into it.
(01:19):
So three women left, Faith, Leslie, and Teresa up. First.
We are in New Jersey where we are meeting Teresa's family.
She has two sisters, a daughter, the daughter's husband, and
her grandkids.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Correct, and her daughter is so sweet. They're clearly very close.
She says that this is the first time she's meeting
a boyfriend of her mom's since you know, her dad passed.
And you can tell that they have a really really
close relationship. I mean, she says, they talk like every
single day, So I can imagine that this is a
(02:00):
bag of emotions.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
For her watching it. And you had a lot to
say about about the whole situation, and I was really like,
this would actually because you're like, this would be really
hard and usually like a it would actually be really tough,
Like I put myself in her daughter's shoes, and I
was like, I don't know if I would be able
(02:22):
to handle something like this.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I feel like out of the entire episode.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
The family member that like stuck with me the most
was Teresa's daughter, just because I can't even imagine like
losing my dad. You know, years go by, my mom
goes on this dating show. I can't talk to her,
and this is the first guy she's bringing home, and
I'm like vetting her boyfriend slash future fiance, and like,
(02:46):
you know, Teresa looks so happy, so I can imagine
that made her family feel so good.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
But then like bad dance her heartbroken.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
But also bad at the same time, and like she's
like she's talking about fall with this guy, and the
last time her daughter seen her in love was with
her with her dad.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I know, stop, we can't. Yeah, it's really amoment.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I mean it's tough, but at the end of the day,
I'm assuming she wants her mother to be happy and
absolutely and this would be would be the way to go.
But one thing I noted it was I believe it
was her Her daughter asked Carrie if he's in love
with Teresa, and he said he doesn't know, if he's
falling in love with her.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I was, well, what do we think about that?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I was, really, I can get it back by that
answer because she didn't ask are you in love with
my mom? She asked are you falling in love with
my mom? And for him to say, I don't know
if I'm falling in love with your mom or not.
I don't know if maybe he just got nervous. It
was the first hometown date.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I'm not really sure what that answer means.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
And he I feel like he worded it or phrased
it in a way of like, I don't I don't
know if I'm falling in love because I don't know
what falling in love feels like anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yes, right, I did, he did.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I don't know. I don't know how to take that
because then we hard.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Because I do feel like he's been and we talked
about this last week, so expressive with Leslie and with Faith,
and I just feel like he's not as expressive about
his emotions for Teresa. But I do feel like they're there,
So that's what's throwing me off. But maybe I'm wrong,
Maybe they're actually not there.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
There's something there's something off about about this relationship or yes,
so it doesn't. Yeah, it's different. It's a different dynamic
than Faith and Leslie. Yes, Like I don't know if
it's because maybe Teresa doesn't need as much reassurance as
the other women.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Maybe it could be that maybe because she does seem
very confident in their connection. Yeah, especially at this point,
like seeing her with him, with her her family, like
there is a sense of just like happiness and ease
to her in the state.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
So I don't know. I was super taken aback by that.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
The sisters are super happy and supportive, and Gary gets
really emotional and they just say, you know, Teresa is
so so happy.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
We can see that.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I really I just have questions because I believe he.
I believe he is falling in love with her. I believe, well,
we know he is so like let's you know, he
says it in his ITM.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
He says it is. Yeah, he says that in his
interviews that he is. Maybe he didn't say it, and
I think you might be right because it was the
first hometown and he didn't know if he wanted to
say it to anyone. I'm assuming he was potentially prepped
for like, hey, you know, you probably shouldn't say I
love you to anyone because there are still three women left.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Out the window that would be My best guess is
when he was asked that question, he did not know
if he was going to be opening up about his
feelings to that level or not, and that's where his
answer came from.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
But the daughter is really emotional.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
She says she it doesn't change how much love we
have for my dad, and it doesn't feel that weird.
And she's like really emotional and item which kind of
just sums up like the day and how she felt about,
you know, meeting this guy that's now dating her mom
and saying that it doesn't feel weird, I think is
(06:26):
a good thing. It feels like, you know, that he
could be a part of their lives and that Teresa
is ready to find love, and she says that she
loves Gary, and Gary in his interview says that he's
in love with Teresa and she could be the one,
which we've seen him say now about Faith and Teresa,
that they could.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Be the one Gary's for everyone. Okay, well then let's go.
Let's go to Faith's hometown in Washington, kind of in
the middle of nowhere, super rural, yes, yeah, yes, horses.
Faith has two sons, her sister, and her grandkids are
all there. This was more of a I'd say, more
(07:09):
of a fun dynamic between all of them. The sons
were really getting into it. Everyone seems super happy Faith.
They were basically saying Faith never really I think the
sister said Faith never believed in love.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I think she said something lines of lines of like
I feel like I always date men, but I never
fall in love with them.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Was that what it was?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, something along those lines. Gary tells the sons he
kind of thinks he's in love with I think he said,
I kind of think.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
They asked the sons asked if Gary is in love
with Faith, and he said, yeah, I kind of think
I am.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, And then the sister said is her heart safe? Okay?
But then like they basically called Gary out in front
of her.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
In like the group, like they're all hanging out and
he's They're like, the sister is pushing for that I
love you, which I kind of liked because I don't
like it.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
But at the same.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Time, like there was definitely an an ailes of peer
pressure in the moment, and he's.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
And you see the flip to him in his interview
kind of like, well, what was I going to say?
But yeah, I mean I mean, he says it. They're
all they couldn't be happy.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
She says it. She says it back to him. It's
a magical moment. They kiss, and then Faith in her
interviews at the end of the day, is crying out
of fear that you know, this may not work out
and she's scared of losing Gary, which I think we
see that excitement and all the women, but that fear
is starting to really sink in as well, and I
(08:48):
think Faith is feeling that.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Now, if you are in Gary's position in that scenario,
what do you think you'd do?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
If I'm kind of feeling I guess a little bit
of a push to say I love yeah, do.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You got you? Kind of get put? I mean, he
got put on the spot there.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I mean, truthfully, I have no idea what I do
in that moment, because on one hand, like if he
does love her, if he believes he's in love with her,
like maybe he's just like, screw it, I want to
be honest with my feelings for this girl, and maybe
he was planning on telling her anyway, and this moment
felt right. But at the same time, I don't know
(09:29):
what would you do?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I mean, I know what I'm going to say that
I would do I don't know if I would actually
do it, but I feel like I would be, like,
you know, the first time that I say this, I
would like to say it in private with your mother
and I with your mother, And I do want to respect.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
The really put yourself in your shoes right now, like
you're picturing yourself in this moment.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I also want to respect the fact that there are
two women laugh. So I just don't want to say
it at this time. All I could say is I'm
really into you totally.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
And look, that's a great answer, and that's the textbook answer.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I feel like, you know what I mean that.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I don't know if I would say that, and then
I probably could.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Have gotten I feel like a lot of people would
think that that's what they would do, But if you're
in the moment, you're feeling it. And I think he
did kind of fall in love with three women here.
I think it's it's hard, you know. At some point,
I feel like all the leads decide they want to
throw caution out the window and just lean in. And
I feel like that was Gary's moment this season of like, ah,
(10:37):
I'm just going to say how I feel whatever. I'm
tired of censoring myself and I'm just gonna let it.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
All out that. Okay, But then, but after that happened,
now let's look back. Do you do we think that,
let's say this was the first hometown, do we think
that he would have said it to Teresa? I do?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I think if Teresa wasn't the first hometown, he would
have said it to her.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Okay, okay, all right, So now we go to Minnesota
to meet Leslie, her brother, she has three kids, three grandkids.
We do find out that Leslie's dad passed away when
she was sixteen. Her brother picked her up from school,
broke the horrific news to her. I mean, so just
(11:18):
the just the heartbreaking story.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, and so it seems like her brother has really
taken over that kind of father figure role for her.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, since she was sixteen. I want how old did
they say? How old her brother is? How much older
he is than her?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I don't know, but if I had to guess, I
would I would say it's probably not more than ten years.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah. No, No, I definitely didn't think that he.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Did tell Gary he would give his blessing. I mean,
I thought this was I thought this was a really
nice hometown. I like both of I like all her
her kids. I thought they handled it very well. They
were funny, they had light hearted.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
All the families had such like a lie loving, warm dynamic.
All the kids seem to like really care about their
moms and just want what's best for them, want to
protect them, like it really was. I feel like hometowns
on The Bachelor and The Bacherette often have kind of,
you know, there's a lot of protectiveness over this like
(12:18):
parent child dynamic, and.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I feel like.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
The kid to parent dynamic that we're seeing here, it
just has given more of like a loving, positive feel
for the hometown episode.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Absolutely, and I feel like they're all very and they are,
but they're all handling this in a very mature like
I don't.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Know, it's not easy. It's really awkward.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, there's no way it's easy. It's definitely strange. Also,
like Leslie Prince wrote tiny Dancer for her.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Sexy dancer, Sexy Dancer, Tiny Dancer the Selton John but
still also I don't think he's dating Leslie.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, probably not. That is that is pretty pretty crazy.
But yeah, yeah, we.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Knew that though because they said that in the intro pack.
Leslie's intro package included that, but I think a lot
of people missed it and they're now reiterating it here,
which honestly is like the coolest thing ever. And anytime
anyone asked you a fun fact about yourself, you're like
set for life.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah. Well, and also Gary, Leslie tells Gary she loves him.
Gary says it back, So now he's now he's openly
said I love you to two women. Two women have
set it back, three women have said it.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yeah, all three women have said that they love Gary.
Gary has said I love you to Faith and to Leslie,
not yet to Teresa. Yeah, but he has said it
in his interviews.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, okay, So now we get to the best part
of the episode.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
This was so the best part.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I'm so happy that I know a lot of people
go back and forth like Jesse should know or does
how does Jesse not know? But I believe that the
show's keeping Jesse in the dark for some of this,
and it's great because his facial expression here. So we
see the women get to the mansion for the Rose
ceremony and walk up to Jesse and Jesse basically every
(14:11):
woman basically says like he said, I love you, and
I set it back and you see Jesse's face.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah, Like the.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
First woman he's like, oh wow, okay, and then the
second one he's like, oh wow, okay, what's happening here?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Gary?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah? Uh so that that was very funny. He's definitely
got himself in a little bit of a gem rose ceremony.
It's Leslie gets the first rose and it's between Faith
in Teresa, and then we see Gary leave upset. He's
(14:47):
tearing up.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Which he's not tearing up, he is crying cry, which
having an emotional moment.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
You know, I think you said it. You're kind of
like that moment. As hard as it is for you,
it's worse for them.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I don't want to be too hard on Gary here
because I do understand like he is in such a
difficult position and he's about to really really hurt someone.
But as someone who's been a contestant on this show,
like standing at a rose ceremony, if I'm Faith or
Teresa and I'm so anxious, I know that there's a
like a fifty to fifty chance if I get that
rose now and he leaves, I'd be really upset. I'd
(15:25):
be like, come on, man, like you have to hold
it together until the end of this rose ceremony, because
now you're just putting them through more and more moments
of agony. Like you need to just stand up there, like,
hold down those tears, rip the band aid off, and
give that personal conversation closure and then take all the
time you need to have.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Ye have your cry.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Like I'm not trying to discredit how hard his role is.
I just like when he walked out, I was like, no, please,
don't do this to them, and both of them are
so in love with him.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Like I just really felt for the women in this moment.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I agree, it's a rough, rough situation all around. And
then yeah, we basically get left on a cliffhanger, because
why wouldn't we at that moment.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I know, I really wasn't expecting the cliffhanger. I was like,
come on, who's going home?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
We will see We will see who goes home next
next episode. We also have the women un till all
coming up. But yeah, that kind of wraps it. Great hometowns.
It was a lot of fun, very very cool to
watch to kind of see rolls all reversed as far
as meeting the children instead of the parents. Okay, let's
(16:43):
move on to Bachelor in Paradise.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
This was a really eventful, jam packed episode.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Like I have like three pages of notes for this
episode because there was so much happening.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I didn't want to forget anything.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Okay, So the first I would say, the first topic
of conversation will be the conversation between Tanner in Davia.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
No, No, that literally didn't happen. Really, we didn't see
a conversation with Tanner and Davia.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Interesting, Tanner and Cat, did you.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Watch the episode? Interesting? Okay, so I don't know. Wow,
my voice is really sweaking. Okay, So Tanner and Kat
have a conversation. Uh. The first thing I noted was
Tanner tells her we have different personalities and I'm not
sure I see what I want a wife in you.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah, that was a harsh line from Tanner for sure.
I mean Kat kind of says, I wish that we
talked before you said yes, that's my biggest concern, Like
I wish you pulled me aside, said like, would you
be okay if I went on the state And Tanner
says that they have the same values but different personalities.
And she doesn't have wife qualities or qualities that he
(17:58):
wants and a wife, which I think he could have
delivered that a little more gently personally. I think he
could have gone with something a little more generic, along
lines of I just don't see us as a fit.
I don't see us as being compatible. I have a
stronger connection with Dobby. I'm gonna explore that.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, I was a little straightforward. We see Kat and
her interviews like, I'm literally so much better than you.
He did not just break up with me. And then
I felt like the rest of this conversation. I don't
know if you feel the same, but I feel like
the rest of this conversation was like battling for who's
actually breaking up.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, it was like Tanner was ending it with Kat
and she basically went, no, I'm ending it with you,
and he was like, no, I'm ending it with you.
And that was like the whole second half of this conversation.
Like Kat was like I don't want you either because
I can't trust you, and yeah, Tanner was like I
want a date for clarity, and I got it, And
like Kat basically is trying to declare in her interviews
(18:54):
like the breakup is mutual, but like he just had
the chance to break up with her before she broke
up with him.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I do, however, I do feel that is how I
actually think that part of that's a good quality. I
don't know, good quality to have, but a strong quality
to have, because I feel like that is how Kat
is able to get over a sad or a hard situation.
Much quicker is she flips it as like I don't
(19:25):
care now, I don't care now I'm moving on because
I don't care about you, And she's able to turn
that switch very foch. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
And my thing is is there's a lot of people
who will actually who will say like, oh I don't
care about them, I'm over it, but like they're clearly not. Yeah,
she actually is like once she's done, like we saw
it with Brandon and now we're seeing with Tanner, Like
you're right, she flips the switch and she's like, I'm
over it, I'm onto the next.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah. I'm kind of like that as well. I could
kind of do that. I could do that, but then
I struggle for months after. But I could flip a
switch pretty quick.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
I mean, I feel like you're talking about like long
term relationships, like she did only date these guys for
three days.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Oh, I'm just saying in j I'm saying kind of
any situation, okay, Yeah, Like when you get bad news,
like even if it's like work related or anything, you
kind of get bad news. I'm pretty good at like
being upset immediately and then flipping a switch and being like, Okay,
nothing I could do, which.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Is arguably kind of healthy.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Like she definitely goes off and like is really upset
in the moment, but then like really kind of is
like all right, I let it all out onto the
next thing. Like in her interviews, she had a couple
of funny lines that I wrote down. She wrote, you
don't even open mouth make out, and then she said
I've dated enough assholes to know when I see one,
which I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I don't think Tanner's an asshole. I really don't.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
But the fact that they weren't open mouth making out
for three days is definitely a red flag to the
future of that relationship.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, I just I mean, yeah, I don't. I don't.
I I don't think Tanner's in the wrong at all
in this.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
No, I don't think did anything wrong. I think it's
for the best that they're not together anymore. I think
the convo was like overall just kind of like unproductive.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, but they both have moved on. Tanner is now
with Davia and Cat is about to figure things out
on the pape.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
The one thing we know about Kat is she's she's
going to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
She's not leaving.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I respect that she has yet to be like I'm leaving.
She like, I have yet to see her try to
like leave the beach like I feel like we saw Genevieve.
Genevieve has like a similar personality to Cat. I feel
like and like her reactiveness, and Genevieve was like always
trying to leave.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
You're saying Genevieve from.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Genevieve, I'm sorry from last season. Yeah, like Genevieve and Erin.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Well, no, I actually disagreed. Genevieve tried to leave multiple times.
Cat has what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I'm saying, Genevieve literally like packed her bags and is
like running through the jungle pass trying to get in
a van, and Cat's like.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Cat's like I'm moving in.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I'm literally moving into the to whoever's is available.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Like we're we're now in a relationship, but it.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Truly is I believe that that is a good quality.
She has the quality of like she gets Yeah, she
gets fucking knocked down and she gets back up.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
She's not I feel like I feel like what's saving
her is like in her mind, she's not knocked down.
She's like, no, I broke up with you. I'm thriving
and I'm gonna go find someone better.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
THEEO.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Okay, so now we have we see just in the morning,
she puts on like a new bathing suit because she
wants Blake to notice her. And then we have a
new woman on the beach. Her name is Genevieve.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
She's from zach Sea. Really did not see much of her.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, we don't see much of her, but she comes down.
It seems like all the guys are are pretty interested.
She has a conversation with Blake. Blake basically the vultge
is probably a little too much information about his situation.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Blake's flirting tactic in this convo was maybe non existent.
I feel like their conversation from what we saw, really
just revolved around him giving her a full debrief of
what's happened.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
With him and Jess's relationship.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
So Genevieve goes back and she's like, well, I'm still
into him. I want to take out Blake, and she
asked him, and Blake goes has a conversation with Jess.
Their dynamics kind of awkward right now.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
It is awkward.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
I feel like the convo felt like they maybe don't
have the best communication, yeah, because it just felt like
neither one was like leading the convo because.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
He said he threw it at her like you want
to go first, and she's like, well, why would I
go first? You just said yes to a date.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
And then yeah, I agreed with her on that one,
but I do think, like.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I don't also don't have an issue with Blake. I
think Blake should have went on this date, absolutely, especially
after the conversation he had with Jess.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Well, I feel like Jess in this moment, and I'm
very excited to talk to her because I really do
just want more context into what's happening behind the scene
with their relationship. But it's kind of looking like she
wants her cake, and she she wants to have her
cake and eat it too. She wants to have Blake
on standby but she wants to go on a date.
She wants to go explore, but she like doesn't want
him to go explore because she does like him. Like
(24:13):
it's just feeling like one foot in, one foot out situation, and.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Blake, I don't get that from her.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
She was definitely no. She was definitely upset when he
was talking to Jen.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, upset, but I don't think she was gonna she
said it like I'm not gonna like it's only fair
if you go on.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I mean she's being logical, but I think she's still upsetly,
she still has she's still jealous. Like I for some
reason thought Blake getting asked on a date there would
be some level of like relief and excitement to have
like some space, like what wants Yeah, Like I thought
she might be like, I like, yes, this is a
good thing for us, like you should go on the date.
(24:52):
I'm gonna have some space, and like, well we'll go
from there. But that wasn't her reaction. So maybe she
likes some more. And it looks like but Blake told
Jess it was nice to feel wanted and he wants
to like really lean in on the date with Jen,
basically saying like I don't feel wanted by you. Yeah,
And Jess seemed kind of like caught off guard by that,
(25:16):
but like I was like, I wouldn't really feel wanted either.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yes, but in the same breath, I kind of put
that on both of them. I do feel like I
don't know, how do we don't know enough about how
they are alone or with each other, But it does
seem and I think even Tanner said it.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Tanner did say it, it seems.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Very surface level and every time we see them, they're
just kind of like sitting talking.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, he said, it's very much like they sit next
to each other, but it doesn't seem like the relationship
is like moving along.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Okay, So so Blake's getting ready for the date, Blakes
getting read for day.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
In the interim, we see Kat's.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
She's back and she's better than ever and she's on
to the next man on this beach.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
She is going for John Henry.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
And we have a great clip of Brandon in his
interview going Kat is homie hopping, which kind of is
what's happening here.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
But it's paradise, I mean, it's.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I mean, you're supposed to explore your supposed toptions look
for love and she's not finding it, and she's like,
that's fine, I'm gonna try it with another dude.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, And we also see Kylie kind of like egg
the situation on as well.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah, Kylie is definitely like pushing for this to happen.
And you said some people were watching it that I
wrote down that you feel like after the Kylie versus
Olivia drama at the very very beginning of this season
with well, the girls that are close with Kylie are
like not team Olivia, I think, And there's like, yeah,
(26:56):
I think there might be advisor to it. Seems like
from Kylie and Kat's perspective, like they don't care that
Olivia's Dan John Henry, like there's no like girl code
in this situation.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Like they're all over it. They're like who cares?
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, which is like kind of fair or whatever. Oh.
And then another another big thing we see as Kat
tells Eliza in the bathroom that Eron she heard from
Charity that Aaron B is a bad guy and has
ex'es back home. It's the timeline is confusing. Even when
(27:32):
Aaron B and Eliza did talk, I don't know it's
kind of like he was dating someone before the show.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Well let's get into that come a little bit later.
But yeah, we do see kind of like the start
of that drama of them hiding in the bathroom having
a chit chat.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
And I think Eliza.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Handled it pretty well, like she seemed to take the
information like and like hold off to have a conversation
one and one with Aaron b. But she definitely took
it seriously, like she wasn't about to just blow it
off as like nonsense.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
How do you feel that Kat told her?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
At first, I was like, why is she doing this?
But then kind of what I thought about it more,
they don't know Eliza, like they weren't from the same season.
It's not like they're coming on here with like a
friendship prior. So like as they've gotten to know her more,
she's probably felt a little bit more of a sense
of like loyalty and obligation to tell her. And also
like if I'm in cat shoes and I see Eliza
(28:29):
in aar and B talking, I don't know if I'm
dropping that information on like day one or two, because
it might not turn into anything, like they might go
their separate ways and then who cares? But like Eliza
and Aar andb have now become like one of the
most serious couples on the beach. And if Kat's like, Okay,
I've kind of formed this friendship with Eliza. I know
this information. This seems like it might be something serious,
and from what I know, he hasn't told her yet.
(28:52):
I feel like maybe it's a time to share that
with her.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Well why not share it?
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Though?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Why not share it to the whole group? Are that first?
You know, when everyone's circled around talking about like who
they're into. If you're going to share that information, maybe
you share it to the entire group, Like, hey, I
heard this. Don't know how true it is, but it's
coming from who I believe is a reliable source. Just
the heads up for everyone, like if you're gonna do it,
(29:20):
maybe do it then. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I like in the girls room when they have that
like chat on the first day, I mean, I think
there is like a sense of loyalty and like maybe
some teams going on with the girls group though, and
like a lot of the girls on this beach are
from Charity season yeah you know, yeah, and also majority
of them probably already know. But yeah, I don't hate
that strategy either of just being like I'm putting this
(29:42):
out here day one, this is what I heard about
this guy. Do what you want, to do what you
want with it, versus like waiting all the way till
like week six.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Okay, So then we have a new girl comes down.
Her name is Becca. She's a Night one girl from
Zach season. Yeah, I believe Zax season. Night one girl
from Zach season talks to a bunch of guys. She
asks Braiden out. So now we see Rachel. So this
(30:18):
this situation is interesting because I do really I feel
bad for Rachel because I feel bad for her because
she's been through a lot within this franchise with dating
guys this It hasn't been the easiest for her, There's
no doubt about it. But Brandon walks up to her
to have a conversation, and instead of having that conversation
(30:39):
and to at least BenOp and tell him how she feels,
she basically blows it off and says, it's fine, you
don't have to check on me.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yeah, she she literally she wouldn't even like go sit
and talk to him, like he walked over to pull
her and she was like, no, no, no, you don't
have to check in on me.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
It's fine, Like go have fine.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
And I think that's that's that's her ego getting in
the way, and I get it, like I would probably
have if I was her, I would probably be the
same way. I would probably be like, that's fine, just
go do your thing. But that in the same breath,
like you cannot be upset with him for doing it
if you're not going to tell him how you feel.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Yeah, And I feel like the moment, like having a
conversation before going on a date is like a powerful
moment to be a little bit vulnerable and like leave
this person with the lasting leave that person with a
lasting impression of how you feel about them, and kind
of have be in their minds when they're on the date.
(31:35):
And I feel like the way Rachel blew it off,
I do think it was her ego a little bit,
because I do think she's into Branden and I think
she just didn't want him to.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Know that.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Well.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I just think Rachel's probably tired of being vulnerable in
these situations and then still getting hurt. Yeah, because that.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Is what's happened to put her guard up for sure.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah, that is what's happened to her multiple times on
the show. Oh so now she's just kind of like
no but unfortunately, yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Like whatever, if you want to go on the stage,
just go have fun. I'm not doing this again.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah, so we'll see how that turns out. Tyler grabs Jess.
The talk Tyler with somebody just was interested in. They
both seem to like each other. They're being flirty. Tyler
ends up grabbing her and kissing, kissing her, she kiss
him back. Now we flip to the date with Blake
(32:31):
and Genevieve. They're having a great time. They're making out.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
So, yeah, he seems into her. He like describes her
very well. He says she's mature and inviting, and he
seems excited about the date. So Jess is making out
with Tyler and Blake's making out with Jen And honestly, I.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Don't know where that relationship's going at this point.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
I don't know what either of them wants. I don't
know who either of them likes. I'm like, literally so
confused by the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, and then yeah, but basically back at the beach,
we do see Rachel is sad, but again, like it's
it's hard. It's hard because I feel for her in
this situation and I get it, but like I do
wish she would have said something.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Yeah, she does say like she feels weird and she
wished that he had like given their relationship more of
a chance, which unfortunately, this is another situation where like
it's just like back to back dates and like bad timing.
But I mean, I wonder how she felt watching it
back because like Braiden does say, you know, this date
blows yesterday's date out of the water, and he's like
(33:34):
really into Becca, and I feel like this is the
first time I've actually seen Braiden like really expressive and
into someone.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Well, he did seem that he could be into Rachel.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
No, he did seem into Rachel for sure. But I
feel like they showed a lot of Rachel's IM's interviews
about Braiden, and we didn't see as much of Braden's
interviews about Rachel, Whereas on this date we are seeing
a lot of what Braiden's saying behind the scenes and
how excited he is about the state.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Okay, so now we get we get a reaction out
of Olivia because Kat is now grabbing John Henry, Olivia
tends to in my opinion, I like her. I think
she's funny. I think she's a great narrator, but when
she gets hurt, she ends up taking things a little
too far. As far as like the way she talks.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
About something, I agree completely because like when things are
good and she's commenting on other people's drama or she's
making fun of herself, she's so good and she's so funny.
But yeah, with Kylie and Will and now with Kat
and John Henry, like she does, her interviews do go
a little too far. She gets a little too hurtful
in my opinion, with what she's saying about people.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
And it's because she's hurt her yeaheah, but like it's
it's almost like you just need to dial it back
just a little bit because you're good and like you're
like Olivia, I almost want her just to like like
she gets two phased by the other women in these
situations where we see her finally grab John Henry. And
(35:11):
I think John Henry likes her. I do too, I
do too, and they kiss and like it and it's good.
So if she she like has to and.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
They like she said I like you, he said, I
like you back, like he said, you're my number one.
Like I almost want her to just have just to
chill out, Like I don't think she has to has
anything to worry about. I feel like she might be
her own worst enemy in these situations a little bit.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I think so too, because I do think I think
she likes Jean Henry and I think he likes her.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
But she's also probably a little bit triggered because like
it happened to her once, it happened her in the beginning.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yeah, yeah, maybe, but I don't know, like.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
I I and Kat is like going for John Henry. Yeah,
she's not just like pulling him once, like she's been
after him all day. So she's probably feeling a little
protective over her relationship.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, which is fair. I just I just I just
for her sake, I think she just needs to focus
more of her energy on her relationship with John Henry
instead of letting it, you know, go a little more.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
To me, Yeah, she's really let Kat get under her skin.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, what you can't do because because Kat's good at
that and it's it's it's gonna be to her own detriment.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, because eventually it will.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
If Olivia continues like cat get under her skin, it's
going to trickle into her relationship with John Henry, and
it's probably gonna end up being what causes him to
go to Kat over Olivia.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
If that's what ends up happening.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yep, okay, So.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Right now they seem pretty good.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, yeah, because so obvious. See Aaron B and Eliza
finally have a conversation. If you're confused, it's fine, we're
all I actually.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Wrote down the timelines.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I wrote down exactly what he said because I wanted
to figure it out. So he said he had an
ex that he broke up with in August. Then he
had another girlfriend after that girl that he was on
and off with, and they broke up in Jim and
he got the show call for the show in December.
And then I wrote, I think it's okay dot dot dot, Like,
(37:08):
I don't really fully understand what's happening, But.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Do you think Eliza needs to see it as like
a huge red flag?
Speaker 1 (37:18):
No, I don't. I actually think Aaron B is I
almost think he needs to be a little more confident
in his delivery that he didn't do anything wrong because
I don't think he did anything wrong.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I think because his delivery was so confusing, because he
seemed nervous, it made him look guilty. But like really
breaking it down, like I don't know if he has
anything to be worried about, question mark.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I don't think so either. But Charity is here, she
comes down.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Wait can we talk about one other thing first before
we get into this. Eliza said before going to pull
Aaron B that she hadn't talked to him all day.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Oh yeah, I actually marked that too. I was like,
what why have they why?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Where have you been? Where has he been?
Speaker 3 (38:00):
You've both been by the pool all day all like
at this point, like I was with you basically twenty
four seven.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yep, that's a problem, Like.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
That's that's okay.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
That's way more of a red flag than this ex
girlfriend drama.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, could call. Yeah, that's that's.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Like I was a cool you guys hang out with
Like Okay.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
It's one thing to be like, yeah, I had lunch
without Aaron today, like, but it's another thing to be
like I literally haven't spoken to him all day.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yeah, Like you're you're you're on the you're on the
path for engagement. You really have to spend a lot
of time with this person if you want to take
this thing serious.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Start talking to him all day, Like, start talking to
him more so.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Charity comes down. She looks great. Everyone's happy to see her,
except for some of the guys like Aaron b. She
has has conversations. We see her talk to Eliza, we
see her grab all the girls.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
From Kat and Olivia kind of both funny. That was
really funny. They both are like, I'm dating John Henry.
Well I'm also dating John and well we have a
really good connection. Well, we also have really good tention.
He told me I'm his number one. Like this is
a crazy interaction.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
I want to know what the relationship is between Olivia
and John Henry before Kat stops in, because we really
don't like how long have they been talking to Somebody
is yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
That's one row ceremony.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Yeah, that's what I want to know. How strong that was,
because like.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
I don't I think you can only be so strong
after a few days. I think you got to give
it like two to three rose ceremonies before you can
consider it like a serious relationship.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Because it is. Yeah, I guess, but like if it
is a stronger relationship on the beach, which I don't know,
if it is, like yeah, if I'm Olivia.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
I'm pissed, let's ask let's ask Kat.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, we'll ask. Maybe.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
She was like no, it was like they barely hung
out and then we.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
See Aaron Bee grabs Cat to talk and that's that.
Aaron B Is going to lose that every single time.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Yeah, and well he was just like why didn't you
bring it to me? Like why didn't you tell me?
And She's like, well you already what do you mean
why didn't My question if I'm Kat is like Aaron B,
why didn't you tell Eliza?
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Like why didn't you? Weren't Eliza?
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Were you just gonna leave here with her and then
let her find out once you leave the show, Like
I don't really know what the conflict is it. Kat
actually handled it like pretty well, like I kind of
agreed with what she was doing and saying here. I
didn't really understand what Aaron B's angle was in this conversation.
I think he's just mad and is just She's just mad.
He's mad that Charity's here, He's mad that Kat exposed
(40:29):
his situation.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Hey, he said these rumors could ruin my life, which
is really dramatic.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
He said, Charity, how keen are you to destroy my life?
I don't think she's I don't think she's keen at all.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yeah, I don't even think Charity, really, I don't even
think Charity would have brought any of this up if
Kat didn't bring it up.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
No Charity coming down to this beach definitely was not
coming down to ruin Airb's life. Like, the only reason
this is happening is because Kat happened to bring up
this information. Charity was the source, and now Charity's making
a visit to the beach.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I think Karen Ba is just doing I think he's
doing quite fine. I think Eliza really likes him. I
think he likes her. I think it's where they didn't
talk all day. I think he just needs to be
a little more confident in knowing that he didn't do
anything wrong.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
If he didn't, I mean, here's the thing his I
don't think he did anything wrong from like what he
said to chair or Eliza. And I think that because
people like your single twenty seven year old dude who
applied to be on the bachelor.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
You don't. You're not going to sit around for months
and months after you submit that application being like, well,
I can't date anyone I might end up on this show.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Like he got the call, he probably looked at the
girl he was dating and went, this isn't that serious.
I'm not going to marry this check We've been on
and off for months. Maybe I'll find lovel with my
life on the show, but it's not in front of
me right now. And it sounds like the breakup was
semi musual, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (41:50):
I yes, said perfectly that is exactly probably exactly what
went on, like.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Whatever, Like he was dating and then he got the call,
and then he started the process to pretend get on
this show, and then he got on the show. Like,
but the way he's acting is making it seem like
he did something really sketchy.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah, because he's he's over dramatic about it. And that's
why even like with him saying these rumors could ruin
my life, It's like, it's like the.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Rumors that I'm hearing can't ruin your life, But maybe
is there rumors that I don't know? Aaron, Like, that's
what you're making me think by like how serious you're
taking this?
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Yeah, yeah, he almost It's like it's like laugh it
off a little bit, like it will it will do
you good to find some humor in this situation instead
of like, don't take yourself so seriously, like it is, yeah,
not that serious.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Yeah, like everyone has excess.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Yeah, but okay, we'll see. And that was a lot,
a lot went down in this episode. It was great,
it was It was fully packed. I can't wait to
see what goes down next week with Blake and just
more Cat John, Henry Olivia. We'll see what goes down
with there being Eliza, Rachel, Brayden, Becca, There's just there's
(43:02):
a lot happening with a lot of these couples. We
don't know who's going to stay together, who's going to separate,
but we'll see. Make sure you stay tuned to that.
We also have for the Golden Bachelor. Don't forget to
tune in because we have the Woman Tell All coming
up pretty soon.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Joe and I had the pleasure of watching the live
taping of The Woman Tell All and it was so
fun seeing all the women together again. We got to
talk to a bunch of the women, so we have
a really fun episode coming for you guys.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Yeah, make sure you stay tuned and subscribe to Bachelor
Happy Hour. That's a wrap, and make sure you check
out our interviews later this week, Kat and Jess. Bye bye,
Hey, everyone, welcome back to Batcheler Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm Joe and I'm Serena.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
We are so happy to be back. We are going
to be recapping Hometowns Bachelor in Paradise. We have two
guests this week, Jess and none other than the one
and only Cat. Cat has been involved in all the
Paradise drama. I would say she's probably the TV maker
(00:25):
of the group. What don't you?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I feel like when it all started going down with Kat,
there was a lot of like what is going on here?
But over the last two episodes, I've like grown very
attached to her and like grown to love her as
like an entertaining person on this beach.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Well, well she's just doing so we'll get into it.
I got a lot of thoughts on Jess.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yeah, I was gonna say even like I think it
was this the episode that we're recapping right now. It
was like when Cat came on like thirty minutes and
I was like, all right, thank god, I know.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I was like, where's Kat, Like what's going on? Like
I need to know what she's doing right now.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
But first let's get into it. Because we we have
golden hometowns. We do have a little bit of a
different dynamic. Usually we see the person meeting the parents,
but now we see the person meeting the kids and
the grandkids, so it is it is different. It was
very entertaining. I really enjoyed it. Let's get into it.
(01:19):
So three women left, Faith, Leslie, and Teresa up. First.
We are in New Jersey where we are meeting Teresa's family.
She has two sisters, a daughter, the daughter's husband, and
her grandkids.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Correct, and her daughter is so sweet. They're clearly very close.
She says that this is the first time she's meeting
a boyfriend of her mom's since you know, her dad passed.
And you can tell that they have a really really
close relationship. I mean, she says, they talk like every
single day, So I can imagine that this is a
(02:00):
bag of emotions.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
For her watching it. And you had a lot to
say about about the whole situation, and I was really like,
this would actually because you're like, this would be really
hard and usually like a it would actually be really tough,
Like I put myself in her daughter's shoes, and I
was like, I don't know if I would be able
(02:22):
to handle something like this.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
I feel like out of the entire episode.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
The family member that like stuck with me the most
was Teresa's daughter, just because I can't even imagine like
losing my dad. You know, years go by, my mom
goes on this dating show. I can't talk to her,
and this is the first guy she's bringing home, and
I'm like vetting her boyfriend slash future fiance, and like,
(02:46):
you know, Teresa looks so happy, so I can imagine
that made her family feel so good.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
But then like bad dance her heartbroken.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
But also bad at the same time, and like she's
like she's talking about fall with this guy, and the
last time her daughter seen her in love was with
her with her dad.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I know, stop, we can't. Yeah, it's really amoment.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I mean it's tough, but at the end of the day,
I'm assuming she wants her mother to be happy and
absolutely and this would be would be the way to go.
But one thing I noted it was I believe it
was her Her daughter asked Carrie if he's in love
with Teresa, and he said he doesn't know, if he's
falling in love with her.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I was, well, what do we think about that?
Speaker 3 (03:35):
I was, really, I can get it back by that
answer because she didn't ask are you in love with
my mom? She asked are you falling in love with
my mom? And for him to say, I don't know
if I'm falling in love with your mom or not.
I don't know if maybe he just got nervous. It
was the first hometown date.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I'm not really sure what that answer means.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
And he I feel like he worded it or phrased
it in a way of like, I don't I don't
know if I'm falling in love because I don't know
what falling in love feels like anymore.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yes, right, I did, he did.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I don't know. I don't know how to take that
because then we hard.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Because I do feel like he's been and we talked
about this last week, so expressive with Leslie and with Faith,
and I just feel like he's not as expressive about
his emotions for Teresa. But I do feel like they're there,
So that's what's throwing me off. But maybe I'm wrong,
Maybe they're actually not there.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
There's something there's something off about about this relationship or yes,
so it doesn't. Yeah, it's different. It's a different dynamic
than Faith and Leslie. Yes, Like I don't know if
it's because maybe Teresa doesn't need as much reassurance as
the other women.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Maybe it could be that maybe because she does seem
very confident in their connection. Yeah, especially at this point,
like seeing her with him, with her her family, like
there is a sense of just like happiness and ease
to her in the state.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
So I don't know. I was super taken aback by that.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
The sisters are super happy and supportive, and Gary gets
really emotional and they just say, you know, Teresa is
so so happy.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
We can see that.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
I really I just have questions because I believe he.
I believe he is falling in love with her. I believe, well,
we know he is so like let's you know, he
says it in his ITM.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
He says it is. Yeah, he says that in his
interviews that he is. Maybe he didn't say it, and
I think you might be right because it was the
first hometown and he didn't know if he wanted to
say it to anyone. I'm assuming he was potentially prepped
for like, hey, you know, you probably shouldn't say I
love you to anyone because there are still three women left.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Out the window that would be My best guess is
when he was asked that question, he did not know
if he was going to be opening up about his
feelings to that level or not, and that's where his
answer came from.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
But the daughter is really emotional.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
She says she it doesn't change how much love we
have for my dad, and it doesn't feel that weird.
And she's like really emotional and item which kind of
just sums up like the day and how she felt about,
you know, meeting this guy that's now dating her mom
and saying that it doesn't feel weird, I think is
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a good thing. It feels like, you know, that he
could be a part of their lives and that Teresa
is ready to find love, and she says that she
loves Gary, and Gary in his interview says that he's
in love with Teresa and she could be the one,
which we've seen him say now about Faith and Teresa,
that they could.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Be the one Gary's for everyone. Okay, well then let's go.
Let's go to Faith's hometown in Washington, kind of in
the middle of nowhere, super rural, yes, yeah, yes, horses.
Faith has two sons, her sister, and her grandkids are
all there. This was more of a I'd say, more
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of a fun dynamic between all of them. The sons
were really getting into it. Everyone seems super happy Faith.
They were basically saying Faith never really I think the
sister said Faith never believed in love.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
I think she said something lines of lines of like
I feel like I always date men, but I never
fall in love with them.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Was that what it was?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, something along those lines. Gary tells the sons he
kind of thinks he's in love with I think he said,
I kind of think.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
They asked the sons asked if Gary is in love
with Faith, and he said, yeah, I kind of think
I am.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah, And then the sister said is her heart safe? Okay?
But then like they basically called Gary out in front
of her.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
In like the group, like they're all hanging out and
he's They're like, the sister is pushing for that I
love you, which I kind of liked because I don't
like it.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
But at the same.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Time, like there was definitely an an ailes of peer
pressure in the moment, and he's.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
And you see the flip to him in his interview
kind of like, well, what was I going to say?
But yeah, I mean I mean, he says it. They're
all they couldn't be happy.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
She says it. She says it back to him. It's
a magical moment. They kiss, and then Faith in her
interviews at the end of the day, is crying out
of fear that you know, this may not work out
and she's scared of losing Gary, which I think we
see that excitement and all the women, but that fear
is starting to really sink in as well, and I
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think Faith is feeling that.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Now, if you are in Gary's position in that scenario,
what do you think you'd do?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
If I'm kind of feeling I guess a little bit
of a push to say I love yeah, do.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You got you? Kind of get put? I mean, he
got put on the spot there.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I mean, truthfully, I have no idea what I do
in that moment, because on one hand, like if he
does love her, if he believes he's in love with her,
like maybe he's just like, screw it, I want to
be honest with my feelings for this girl, and maybe
he was planning on telling her anyway, and this moment
felt right. But at the same time, I don't know
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what would you do?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I mean, I know what I'm going to say that
I would do I don't know if I would actually
do it, but I feel like I would be, like,
you know, the first time that I say this, I
would like to say it in private with your mother
and I with your mother, And I do want to respect.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
The really put yourself in your shoes right now, like
you're picturing yourself in this moment.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I also want to respect the fact that there are
two women laugh. So I just don't want to say
it at this time. All I could say is I'm
really into you totally.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
And look, that's a great answer, and that's the textbook answer.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I feel like, you know what I mean that.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I don't know if I would say that, and then
I probably could.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Have gotten I feel like a lot of people would
think that that's what they would do, But if you're
in the moment, you're feeling it. And I think he
did kind of fall in love with three women here.
I think it's it's hard, you know. At some point,
I feel like all the leads decide they want to
throw caution out the window and just lean in. And
I feel like that was Gary's moment this season of like, ah,
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I'm just going to say how I feel whatever. I'm
tired of censoring myself and I'm just gonna let it.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
All out that. Okay, But then, but after that happened,
now let's look back. Do you do we think that,
let's say this was the first hometown, do we think
that he would have said it to Teresa? I do?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I think if Teresa wasn't the first hometown, he would
have said it to her.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Okay, okay, all right, So now we go to Minnesota
to meet Leslie, her brother, she has three kids, three grandkids.
We do find out that Leslie's dad passed away when
she was sixteen. Her brother picked her up from school,
broke the horrific news to her. I mean, so just
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the just the heartbreaking story.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, and so it seems like her brother has really
taken over that kind of father figure role for her.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, since she was sixteen. I want how old did
they say? How old her brother is? How much older
he is than her?
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I don't know, but if I had to guess, I
would I would say it's probably not more than ten years.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Yeah. No, No, I definitely didn't think that he.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Did tell Gary he would give his blessing. I mean,
I thought this was I thought this was a really
nice hometown. I like both of I like all her
her kids. I thought they handled it very well. They
were funny, they had light hearted.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
All the families had such like a lie loving, warm dynamic.
All the kids seem to like really care about their
moms and just want what's best for them, want to
protect them, like it really was. I feel like hometowns
on The Bachelor and The Bacherette often have kind of,
you know, there's a lot of protectiveness over this like
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parent child dynamic, and.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I feel like.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
The kid to parent dynamic that we're seeing here, it
just has given more of like a loving, positive feel
for the hometown episode.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Absolutely, and I feel like they're all very and they are,
but they're all handling this in a very mature like
I don't.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Know, it's not easy. It's really awkward.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah, there's no way it's easy. It's definitely strange. Also,
like Leslie Prince wrote tiny Dancer for her.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Sexy dancer, Sexy Dancer, Tiny Dancer the Selton John but
still also I don't think he's dating Leslie.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, probably not. That is that is pretty pretty crazy.
But yeah, yeah, we.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Knew that though because they said that in the intro pack.
Leslie's intro package included that, but I think a lot
of people missed it and they're now reiterating it here,
which honestly is like the coolest thing ever. And anytime
anyone asked you a fun fact about yourself, you're like
set for life.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah. Well, and also Gary, Leslie tells Gary she loves him.
Gary says it back, So now he's now he's openly
said I love you to two women. Two women have
set it back, three women have said it.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yeah, all three women have said that they love Gary.
Gary has said I love you to Faith and to Leslie,
not yet to Teresa. Yeah, but he has said it
in his interviews.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, okay, So now we get to the best part
of the episode.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
This was so the best part.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I'm so happy that I know a lot of people
go back and forth like Jesse should know or does
how does Jesse not know? But I believe that the
show's keeping Jesse in the dark for some of this,
and it's great because his facial expression here. So we
see the women get to the mansion for the Rose
ceremony and walk up to Jesse and Jesse basically every
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woman basically says like he said, I love you, and
I set it back and you see Jesse's face.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah, Like the.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
First woman he's like, oh wow, okay, and then the
second one he's like, oh wow, okay, what's happening here?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Gary?
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Yeah? Uh so that that was very funny. He's definitely
got himself in a little bit of a gem rose ceremony.
It's Leslie gets the first rose and it's between Faith
in Teresa, and then we see Gary leave upset. He's
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tearing up.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Which he's not tearing up, he is crying cry, which
having an emotional moment.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
You know, I think you said it. You're kind of
like that moment. As hard as it is for you,
it's worse for them.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I don't want to be too hard on Gary here
because I do understand like he is in such a
difficult position and he's about to really really hurt someone.
But as someone who's been a contestant on this show,
like standing at a rose ceremony, if I'm Faith or
Teresa and I'm so anxious, I know that there's a
like a fifty to fifty chance if I get that
rose now and he leaves, I'd be really upset. I'd
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be like, come on, man, like you have to hold
it together until the end of this rose ceremony, because
now you're just putting them through more and more moments
of agony. Like you need to just stand up there, like,
hold down those tears, rip the band aid off, and
give that personal conversation closure and then take all the
time you need to have.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Ye have your cry.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Like I'm not trying to discredit how hard his role is.
I just like when he walked out, I was like, no, please,
don't do this to them, and both of them are
so in love with him.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Like I just really felt for the women in this moment.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
I agree, it's a rough, rough situation all around. And
then yeah, we basically get left on a cliffhanger, because
why wouldn't we at that moment.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I know, I really wasn't expecting the cliffhanger. I was like,
come on, who's going home?
Speaker 1 (16:15):
We will see We will see who goes home next
next episode. We also have the women un till all
coming up. But yeah, that kind of wraps it. Great hometowns.
It was a lot of fun, very very cool to
watch to kind of see rolls all reversed as far
as meeting the children instead of the parents. Okay, let's
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move on to Bachelor in Paradise.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
This was a really eventful, jam packed episode.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Like I have like three pages of notes for this
episode because there was so much happening.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I didn't want to forget anything.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Okay, So the first I would say, the first topic
of conversation will be the conversation between Tanner in Davia.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
No, No, that literally didn't happen. Really, we didn't see
a conversation with Tanner and Davia.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Interesting, Tanner and Cat, did you.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Watch the episode? Interesting? Okay, so I don't know. Wow,
my voice is really sweaking. Okay, So Tanner and Kat
have a conversation. Uh. The first thing I noted was
Tanner tells her we have different personalities and I'm not
sure I see what I want a wife in you.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Yeah, that was a harsh line from Tanner for sure.
I mean Kat kind of says, I wish that we
talked before you said yes, that's my biggest concern, Like
I wish you pulled me aside, said like, would you
be okay if I went on the state And Tanner
says that they have the same values but different personalities.
And she doesn't have wife qualities or qualities that he
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wants and a wife, which I think he could have
delivered that a little more gently personally. I think he
could have gone with something a little more generic, along
lines of I just don't see us as a fit.
I don't see us as being compatible. I have a
stronger connection with Dobby. I'm gonna explore that.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, I was a little straightforward. We see Kat and
her interviews like, I'm literally so much better than you.
He did not just break up with me. And then
I felt like the rest of this conversation. I don't
know if you feel the same, but I feel like
the rest of this conversation was like battling for who's
actually breaking up.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, it was like Tanner was ending it with Kat
and she basically went, no, I'm ending it with you,
and he was like, no, I'm ending it with you.
And that was like the whole second half of this conversation.
Like Kat was like I don't want you either because
I can't trust you, and yeah, Tanner was like I
want a date for clarity, and I got it, And
like Kat basically is trying to declare in her interviews
(18:54):
like the breakup is mutual, but like he just had
the chance to break up with her before she broke
up with him.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
I do, however, I do feel that is how I
actually think that part of that's a good quality. I
don't know, good quality to have, but a strong quality
to have, because I feel like that is how Kat
is able to get over a sad or a hard situation.
Much quicker is she flips it as like I don't
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care now, I don't care now I'm moving on because
I don't care about you, And she's able to turn
that switch very foch. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
And my thing is is there's a lot of people
who will actually who will say like, oh I don't
care about them, I'm over it, but like they're clearly not. Yeah,
she actually is like once she's done, like we saw
it with Brandon and now we're seeing with Tanner, Like
you're right, she flips the switch and she's like, I'm
over it, I'm onto the next.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah. I'm kind of like that as well. I could
kind of do that. I could do that, but then
I struggle for months after. But I could flip a
switch pretty quick.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
I mean, I feel like you're talking about like long
term relationships, like she did only date these guys for
three days.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Oh, I'm just saying in j I'm saying kind of
any situation, okay, Yeah, Like when you get bad news,
like even if it's like work related or anything, you
kind of get bad news. I'm pretty good at like
being upset immediately and then flipping a switch and being like, Okay,
nothing I could do, which.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Is arguably kind of healthy.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Like she definitely goes off and like is really upset
in the moment, but then like really kind of is
like all right, I let it all out onto the
next thing. Like in her interviews, she had a couple
of funny lines that I wrote down. She wrote, you
don't even open mouth make out, and then she said
I've dated enough assholes to know when I see one,
which I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
I don't think Tanner's an asshole. I really don't.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
But the fact that they weren't open mouth making out
for three days is definitely a red flag to the
future of that relationship.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, I just I mean, yeah, I don't. I don't.
I I don't think Tanner's in the wrong at all
in this.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
No, I don't think did anything wrong. I think it's
for the best that they're not together anymore. I think
the convo was like overall just kind of like unproductive.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, but they both have moved on. Tanner is now
with Davia and Cat is about to figure things out
on the pape.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
The one thing we know about Kat is she's she's
going to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
She's not leaving.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
I respect that she has yet to be like I'm leaving.
She like, I have yet to see her try to
like leave the beach like I feel like we saw Genevieve.
Genevieve has like a similar personality to Cat. I feel
like and like her reactiveness, and Genevieve was like always
trying to leave.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
You're saying Genevieve from.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Genevieve, I'm sorry from last season. Yeah, like Genevieve and Erin.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Well, no, I actually disagreed. Genevieve tried to leave multiple times.
Cat has what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I'm saying, Genevieve literally like packed her bags and is
like running through the jungle pass trying to get in
a van, and Cat's like.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Cat's like I'm moving in.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I'm literally moving into the to whoever's is available.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Like we're we're now in a relationship, but it.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Truly is I believe that that is a good quality.
She has the quality of like she gets Yeah, she
gets fucking knocked down and she gets back up.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
She's not I feel like I feel like what's saving
her is like in her mind, she's not knocked down.
She's like, no, I broke up with you. I'm thriving
and I'm gonna go find someone better.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
THEEO.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Okay, so now we have we see just in the morning,
she puts on like a new bathing suit because she
wants Blake to notice her. And then we have a
new woman on the beach. Her name is Genevieve.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
She's from zach Sea. Really did not see much of her.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, we don't see much of her, but she comes down.
It seems like all the guys are are pretty interested.
She has a conversation with Blake. Blake basically the vultge
is probably a little too much information about his situation.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Blake's flirting tactic in this convo was maybe non existent.
I feel like their conversation from what we saw, really
just revolved around him giving her a full debrief of
what's happened.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
With him and Jess's relationship.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
So Genevieve goes back and she's like, well, I'm still
into him. I want to take out Blake, and she
asked him, and Blake goes has a conversation with Jess.
Their dynamics kind of awkward right now.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
It is awkward.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
I feel like the convo felt like they maybe don't
have the best communication, yeah, because it just felt like
neither one was like leading the convo because.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
He said he threw it at her like you want
to go first, and she's like, well, why would I
go first? You just said yes to a date.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
And then yeah, I agreed with her on that one,
but I do think, like.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I don't also don't have an issue with Blake. I
think Blake should have went on this date, absolutely, especially
after the conversation he had with Jess.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Well, I feel like Jess in this moment, and I'm
very excited to talk to her because I really do
just want more context into what's happening behind the scene
with their relationship. But it's kind of looking like she
wants her cake, and she she wants to have her
cake and eat it too. She wants to have Blake
on standby but she wants to go on a date.
She wants to go explore, but she like doesn't want
him to go explore because she does like him. Like
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it's just feeling like one foot in, one foot out situation, and.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Blake, I don't get that from her.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
She was definitely no. She was definitely upset when he
was talking to Jen.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, upset, but I don't think she was gonna she
said it like I'm not gonna like it's only fair
if you go on.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I mean she's being logical, but I think she's still upsetly,
she still has she's still jealous. Like I for some
reason thought Blake getting asked on a date there would
be some level of like relief and excitement to have
like some space, like what wants Yeah, Like I thought
she might be like, I like, yes, this is a
good thing for us, like you should go on the date.
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I'm gonna have some space, and like, well we'll go
from there. But that wasn't her reaction. So maybe she
likes some more. And it looks like but Blake told
Jess it was nice to feel wanted and he wants
to like really lean in on the date with Jen,
basically saying like I don't feel wanted by you. Yeah,
And Jess seemed kind of like caught off guard by that,
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but like I was like, I wouldn't really feel wanted either.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yes, but in the same breath, I kind of put
that on both of them. I do feel like I
don't know, how do we don't know enough about how
they are alone or with each other, But it does
seem and I think even Tanner said it.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Tanner did say it, it seems.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Very surface level and every time we see them, they're
just kind of like sitting talking.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, he said, it's very much like they sit next
to each other, but it doesn't seem like the relationship
is like moving along.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Okay, So so Blake's getting ready for the date, Blakes
getting read for day.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
In the interim, we see Kat's.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
She's back and she's better than ever and she's on
to the next man on this beach.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
She is going for John Henry.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
And we have a great clip of Brandon in his
interview going Kat is homie hopping, which kind of is
what's happening here.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
But it's paradise, I mean, it's.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
I mean, you're supposed to explore your supposed toptions look
for love and she's not finding it, and she's like,
that's fine, I'm gonna try it with another dude.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, And we also see Kylie kind of like egg
the situation on as well.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah, Kylie is definitely like pushing for this to happen.
And you said some people were watching it that I
wrote down that you feel like after the Kylie versus
Olivia drama at the very very beginning of this season
with well, the girls that are close with Kylie are
like not team Olivia, I think, And there's like, yeah,
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I think there might be advisor to it. Seems like
from Kylie and Kat's perspective, like they don't care that
Olivia's Dan John Henry, like there's no like girl code
in this situation.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Like they're all over it. They're like who cares?
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Yeah, which is like kind of fair or whatever. Oh.
And then another another big thing we see as Kat
tells Eliza in the bathroom that Eron she heard from
Charity that Aaron B is a bad guy and has
ex'es back home. It's the timeline is confusing. Even when
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Aaron B and Eliza did talk, I don't know it's
kind of like he was dating someone before the show.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Well let's get into that come a little bit later.
But yeah, we do see kind of like the start
of that drama of them hiding in the bathroom having
a chit chat.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
And I think Eliza.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Handled it pretty well, like she seemed to take the
information like and like hold off to have a conversation
one and one with Aaron b. But she definitely took
it seriously, like she wasn't about to just blow it
off as like nonsense.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
How do you feel that Kat told her?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
You know what?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
At first, I was like, why is she doing this?
But then kind of what I thought about it more,
they don't know Eliza, like they weren't from the same season.
It's not like they're coming on here with like a
friendship prior. So like as they've gotten to know her more,
she's probably felt a little bit more of a sense
of like loyalty and obligation to tell her. And also
like if I'm in cat shoes and I see Eliza
(28:29):
in aar and B talking, I don't know if I'm
dropping that information on like day one or two, because
it might not turn into anything, like they might go
their separate ways and then who cares? But like Eliza
and Aar andb have now become like one of the
most serious couples on the beach. And if Kat's like, Okay,
I've kind of formed this friendship with Eliza. I know
this information. This seems like it might be something serious,
and from what I know, he hasn't told her yet.
(28:52):
I feel like maybe it's a time to share that
with her.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Well why not share it?
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Though?
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Why not share it to the whole group? Are that first?
You know, when everyone's circled around talking about like who
they're into. If you're going to share that information, maybe
you share it to the entire group, Like, hey, I
heard this. Don't know how true it is, but it's
coming from who I believe is a reliable source. Just
the heads up for everyone, like if you're gonna do it,
(29:20):
maybe do it then. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I like in the girls room when they have that
like chat on the first day, I mean, I think
there is like a sense of loyalty and like maybe
some teams going on with the girls group though, and
like a lot of the girls on this beach are
from Charity season yeah you know, yeah, and also majority
of them probably already know. But yeah, I don't hate
that strategy either of just being like I'm putting this
(29:42):
out here day one, this is what I heard about
this guy. Do what you want, to do what you
want with it, versus like waiting all the way till
like week six.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Okay, So then we have a new girl comes down.
Her name is Becca. She's a Night one girl from
Zach season. Yeah, I believe Zax season. Night one girl
from Zach season talks to a bunch of guys. She
asks Braiden out. So now we see Rachel. So this
(30:18):
this situation is interesting because I do really I feel
bad for Rachel because I feel bad for her because
she's been through a lot within this franchise with dating
guys this It hasn't been the easiest for her, There's
no doubt about it. But Brandon walks up to her
to have a conversation, and instead of having that conversation
(30:39):
and to at least BenOp and tell him how she feels,
she basically blows it off and says, it's fine, you
don't have to check on me.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yeah, she she literally she wouldn't even like go sit
and talk to him, like he walked over to pull
her and she was like, no, no, no, you don't
have to check in on me.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
It's fine, Like go have fine.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
And I think that's that's that's her ego getting in
the way, and I get it, like I would probably
have if I was her, I would probably be the
same way. I would probably be like, that's fine, just
go do your thing. But that in the same breath,
like you cannot be upset with him for doing it
if you're not going to tell him how you feel.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Yeah, And I feel like the moment, like having a
conversation before going on a date is like a powerful
moment to be a little bit vulnerable and like leave
this person with the lasting leave that person with a
lasting impression of how you feel about them, and kind
of have be in their minds when they're on the date.
(31:35):
And I feel like the way Rachel blew it off,
I do think it was her ego a little bit,
because I do think she's into Branden and I think
she just didn't want him to.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Know that.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Well.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
I just think Rachel's probably tired of being vulnerable in
these situations and then still getting hurt. Yeah, because that.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Is what's happened to put her guard up for sure.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Yeah, that is what's happened to her multiple times on
the show. Oh so now she's just kind of like
no but unfortunately, yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Like whatever, if you want to go on the stage,
just go have fun. I'm not doing this again.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah, so we'll see how that turns out. Tyler grabs Jess.
The talk Tyler with somebody just was interested in. They
both seem to like each other. They're being flirty. Tyler
ends up grabbing her and kissing, kissing her, she kiss
him back. Now we flip to the date with Blake
(32:31):
and Genevieve. They're having a great time. They're making out.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
So, yeah, he seems into her. He like describes her
very well. He says she's mature and inviting, and he
seems excited about the date. So Jess is making out
with Tyler and Blake's making out with Jen And honestly, I.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Don't know where that relationship's going at this point.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
I don't know what either of them wants. I don't
know who either of them likes. I'm like, literally so
confused by the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Yeah, and then yeah, but basically back at the beach,
we do see Rachel is sad, but again, like it's
it's hard. It's hard because I feel for her in
this situation and I get it, but like I do
wish she would have said something.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Yeah, she does say like she feels weird and she
wished that he had like given their relationship more of
a chance, which unfortunately, this is another situation where like
it's just like back to back dates and like bad timing.
But I mean, I wonder how she felt watching it
back because like Braiden does say, you know, this date
blows yesterday's date out of the water, and he's like
(33:34):
really into Becca, and I feel like this is the
first time I've actually seen Braiden like really expressive and
into someone.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
Well, he did seem that he could be into Rachel.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
No, he did seem into Rachel for sure. But I
feel like they showed a lot of Rachel's IM's interviews
about Braiden, and we didn't see as much of Braden's
interviews about Rachel, Whereas on this date we are seeing
a lot of what Braiden's saying behind the scenes and
how excited he is about the state.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Okay, so now we get we get a reaction out
of Olivia because Kat is now grabbing John Henry, Olivia
tends to in my opinion, I like her. I think
she's funny. I think she's a great narrator, but when
she gets hurt, she ends up taking things a little
too far. As far as like the way she talks.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
About something, I agree completely because like when things are
good and she's commenting on other people's drama or she's
making fun of herself, she's so good and she's so funny.
But yeah, with Kylie and Will and now with Kat
and John Henry, like she does, her interviews do go
a little too far. She gets a little too hurtful
in my opinion, with what she's saying about people.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
And it's because she's hurt her yeaheah, but like it's
it's almost like you just need to dial it back
just a little bit because you're good and like you're
like Olivia, I almost want her just to like like
she gets two phased by the other women in these
situations where we see her finally grab John Henry. And
(35:11):
I think John Henry likes her. I do too, I
do too, and they kiss and like it and it's good.
So if she she like has to and.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
They like she said I like you, he said, I
like you back, like he said, you're my number one.
Like I almost want her to just have just to
chill out, Like I don't think she has to has
anything to worry about. I feel like she might be
her own worst enemy in these situations a little bit.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I think so too, because I do think I think
she likes Jean Henry and I think he likes her.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
But she's also probably a little bit triggered because like
it happened to her once, it happened her in the beginning.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yeah, yeah, maybe, but I don't know, like.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
I I and Kat is like going for John Henry. Yeah,
she's not just like pulling him once, like she's been
after him all day. So she's probably feeling a little
protective over her relationship.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, which is fair. I just I just I just
for her sake, I think she just needs to focus
more of her energy on her relationship with John Henry
instead of letting it, you know, go a little more.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
To me, Yeah, she's really let Kat get under her skin.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah, what you can't do because because Kat's good at
that and it's it's it's gonna be to her own detriment.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, because eventually it will.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
If Olivia continues like cat get under her skin, it's
going to trickle into her relationship with John Henry, and
it's probably gonna end up being what causes him to
go to Kat over Olivia.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
If that's what ends up happening.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yep, okay, So.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Right now they seem pretty good.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, yeah, because so obvious. See Aaron B and Eliza
finally have a conversation. If you're confused, it's fine, we're
all I actually.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Wrote down the timelines.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
I wrote down exactly what he said because I wanted
to figure it out. So he said he had an
ex that he broke up with in August. Then he
had another girlfriend after that girl that he was on
and off with, and they broke up in Jim and
he got the show call for the show in December.
And then I wrote, I think it's okay dot dot dot, Like,
(37:08):
I don't really fully understand what's happening, But.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
What do you think?
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Do you think Eliza needs to see it as like
a huge red flag?
Speaker 1 (37:18):
No, I don't. I actually think Aaron B is I
almost think he needs to be a little more confident
in his delivery that he didn't do anything wrong because
I don't think he did anything wrong.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
I think because his delivery was so confusing, because he
seemed nervous, it made him look guilty. But like really
breaking it down, like I don't know if he has
anything to be worried about, question mark.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I don't think so either. But Charity is here, she
comes down.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Wait can we talk about one other thing first before
we get into this. Eliza said before going to pull
Aaron B that she hadn't talked to him all day.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
Oh yeah, I actually marked that too. I was like,
what why have they why?
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Where have you been? Where has he been?
Speaker 3 (38:00):
You've both been by the pool all day all like
at this point, like I was with you basically twenty
four seven.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yep, that's a problem, Like.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
That's that's okay.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
That's way more of a red flag than this ex
girlfriend drama.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, could call. Yeah, that's that's.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Like I was a cool you guys hang out with
Like Okay.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
It's one thing to be like, yeah, I had lunch
without Aaron today, like, but it's another thing to be
like I literally haven't spoken to him all day.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yeah, Like you're you're you're on the you're on the
path for engagement. You really have to spend a lot
of time with this person if you want to take
this thing serious.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Start talking to him all day, Like, start talking to
him more so.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Charity comes down. She looks great. Everyone's happy to see her,
except for some of the guys like Aaron b. She
has has conversations. We see her talk to Eliza, we
see her grab all the girls.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
From Kat and Olivia kind of both funny. That was
really funny. They both are like, I'm dating John Henry.
Well I'm also dating John and well we have a
really good connection. Well, we also have really good tention.
He told me I'm his number one. Like this is
a crazy interaction.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
I want to know what the relationship is between Olivia
and John Henry before Kat stops in, because we really
don't like how long have they been talking to Somebody
is yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
That's one row ceremony.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Yeah, that's what I want to know. How strong that was,
because like.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
I don't I think you can only be so strong
after a few days. I think you got to give
it like two to three rose ceremonies before you can
consider it like a serious relationship.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Because it is. Yeah, I guess, but like if it
is a stronger relationship on the beach, which I don't know,
if it is, like yeah, if I'm Olivia.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
I'm pissed, let's ask let's ask Kat.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, we'll ask. Maybe.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
She was like no, it was like they barely hung
out and then we.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
See Aaron Bee grabs Cat to talk and that's that.
Aaron B Is going to lose that every single time.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Yeah, and well he was just like why didn't you
bring it to me? Like why didn't you tell me?
And She's like, well you already what do you mean
why didn't My question if I'm Kat is like Aaron B,
why didn't you tell Eliza?
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Like why didn't you? Weren't Eliza?
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Were you just gonna leave here with her and then
let her find out once you leave the show, Like
I don't really know what the conflict is it. Kat
actually handled it like pretty well, like I kind of
agreed with what she was doing and saying here. I
didn't really understand what Aaron B's angle was in this conversation.
I think he's just mad and is just She's just mad.
He's mad that Charity's here, He's mad that Kat exposed
(40:29):
his situation.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
Hey, he said these rumors could ruin my life, which
is really dramatic.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
He said, Charity, how keen are you to destroy my life?
I don't think she's I don't think she's keen at all.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Yeah, I don't even think Charity, really, I don't even
think Charity would have brought any of this up if
Kat didn't bring it up.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
No Charity coming down to this beach definitely was not
coming down to ruin Airb's life. Like, the only reason
this is happening is because Kat happened to bring up
this information. Charity was the source, and now Charity's making
a visit to the beach.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I think Karen Ba is just doing I think he's
doing quite fine. I think Eliza really likes him. I
think he likes her. I think it's where they didn't
talk all day. I think he just needs to be
a little more confident in knowing that he didn't do
anything wrong.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
If he didn't, I mean, here's the thing his I
don't think he did anything wrong from like what he
said to chair or Eliza. And I think that because
people like your single twenty seven year old dude who
applied to be on the bachelor.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
You don't. You're not going to sit around for months
and months after you submit that application being like, well,
I can't date anyone I might end up on this show.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Like he got the call, he probably looked at the
girl he was dating and went, this isn't that serious.
I'm not going to marry this check We've been on
and off for months. Maybe I'll find lovel with my
life on the show, but it's not in front of
me right now. And it sounds like the breakup was
semi musual, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (41:50):
I yes, said perfectly that is exactly probably exactly what
went on, like.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Whatever, Like he was dating and then he got the call,
and then he started the process to pretend get on
this show, and then he got on the show. Like,
but the way he's acting is making it seem like
he did something really sketchy.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Yeah, because he's he's over dramatic about it. And that's
why even like with him saying these rumors could ruin
my life, It's like, it's like the.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
Rumors that I'm hearing can't ruin your life, But maybe
is there rumors that I don't know? Aaron, Like, that's
what you're making me think by like how serious you're
taking this?
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Yeah, yeah, he almost It's like it's like laugh it
off a little bit, like it will it will do
you good to find some humor in this situation instead
of like, don't take yourself so seriously, like it is, yeah,
not that serious.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Yeah, like everyone has excess.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Yeah, but okay, we'll see. And that was a lot,
a lot went down in this episode. It was great,
it was It was fully packed. I can't wait to
see what goes down next week with Blake and just
more Cat John, Henry Olivia. We'll see what goes down
with there being Eliza, Rachel, Brayden, Becca, There's just there's
(43:02):
a lot happening with a lot of these couples. We
don't know who's going to stay together, who's going to separate,
but we'll see. Make sure you stay tuned to that.
We also have for the Golden Bachelor. Don't forget to
tune in because we have the Woman Tell All coming
up pretty soon.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Joe and I had the pleasure of watching the live
taping of The Woman Tell All and it was so
fun seeing all the women together again. We got to
talk to a bunch of the women, so we have
a really fun episode coming for you guys.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
Yeah, make sure you stay tuned and subscribe to Bachelor
Happy Hour. That's a wrap, and make sure you check
out our interviews later this week, Kat and Jess. Bye bye,
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