July 30, 2024 • 37 mins
Today on Happy Hour, Joe and Serena are recapping last night’s episode of "The Bachelorette." We kick off today’s episode with Jenn and Sam M’s chaotic one on one; did Sam dive a little too deep? Then, we get into the awkwardness of this week’s rugby date as Sam N. also struggles with Jenn this week.
Joe and Serena also share their thoughts on Devin following his one-on-one date. Plus, Serena has some passionate fashion advice for Thomas N!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, everyone, Welcome back to Bachler Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I am Joe and I'm Serena, and we are.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Back with another recap of GEN season. This is episode
four four four. I will say I've been I've recapped
a bunch of episodes. I've been doing this podcast for
a while clickbait I did before this, so I've been
watching the show forever now, And I will say that this,
(00:28):
you know, like this, this episode, I didn't even have
to take notes. This was one of the more entertaining
episodes of the Bachelorette or The Bachelor that I think
I've ever watched. I don't know why. I think I
just enjoyed every storyline, but I was very entertained.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I feel like I was the opposite. I took like
so many notes in this episode. I kept like pausing
it and rewinding and re listening to things people were
saying and writing down quotes because there was just so much.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I was overwhelmed by it all. I think.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
A good episode of The Bachelor standard has like some
good love moments and some good drama moments. Yeah, but
I feel like this one had so many storylines that
were interesting and engaging and unique and crazy that. Yeah,
it was just a jam packed episode in a really
(01:18):
good way.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, so I think we let's let's break this down
from like, Okay, well they are in They're in New Zealand,
so we know that that's location, beautiful, beautiful place.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
We start off with a chat between Jen and Jesse.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Did you know that they stopped doing food on dates
after Jesse season because he was chowing down so hard.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I didn't know that, but it makes sense after watching
him eat just in this and this episode, because he
was he was going to town in this episode.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I mean, I knew that eating on the dates wasn't
really a thing because like, it sounds gross. You don't
want to listen to people chewing blah blah blah, and
you want to focus on like the conversation versus the eating.
But watching the clips of him chowing on corn on
the cob on his one one dates and like slurfing noodles, I.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Was like, this is so funny.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Someone had to be the guinea pig, and it was
it was Jesse.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
It was Jesse.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, he was the camel or the straw that broke
the camel's back with the food on the date situation.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Okay, so we have she gives her first Her first
one on one date goes to Samm.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Sam m Sam H.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I'm excited to learn a little more about him. I
want to see how his how we see him a
lot basically, just like him arguing with Devin and his
interaction with the guys, but I want to see like
a more vulnerable side of him with Jen. So I'm
happy that he got the date so we get to
learn a little more about him.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, I feel like Samm we've seen that he's a
passionate person. He's physically super passionate with Jen. He's super
passionate about his hate towards Devin. He's got some strong feelings. Yeah,
and him and Jen definitely have a spark a connection.
But if I'm being honest, up until this point in
the season, I haven't really seen Jen have like a
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deep emotional connection with anyone. Like She's had some good conversations.
She definitely has some sex chemistry with some people. But
I'm waiting to see those relationships really develop. And i
think it's obvious that we know she likes Sam and
it's a good time for them to progress the relationship further.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Definitely, So it doesn't start off great for Samon. No,
it's like, actually, it's pretty hard to watch at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
So she's sitting there and it's like, Okay, hey, surprise,
someone just jumped.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Off the top of this building.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, at the top of this building, which is very high.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
And we know at this point she hates heights because
she was very vocal about it when they did the
skydiving date. And this date starts off and it's very romantic,
like they're sitting at a restaurant, They're looking at these
beautiful views of the city and the tone shifts to
tents so quickly.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Well, she's very scared and he so the waiter comes
by like, ask, would you like to would you like
to basically jump off the building? I forget exactly what
it's called, but you're gonna jump off the building sky
jump the sky jump, which is very popular in this
area of New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I don't think it's like a regional thing. I think
it's like a special to this building.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah shift, yeah, true, that's funny, and he sent she's
freaking out and he steps in is like, we're gonna
do it, Like you're doing it as well, and she's like,
you're you're not not. This is like worse than ordering
food for me. You're gonna You're gonna basically tell me
I'm jumping off this building, which was a crazy move
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and very in like it would make more sense if
it was like I don't know if I should, and
like she was kind of like indicating like push me
to do it. We're playing around, we're flirting, jump in
and be like, yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Then that's exactly what I said when I watched this.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I was like if she was giving off the like oh,
I don't know, like it sounds a little scary, and
he was more just being encouraging, like let's do it.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I got you.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
We'll do it together like you see on the fence,
but like if you want to do it, like I'm
here to do it with you, but.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Let's do a shot. Let's do it and yeah, yeah, like.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
You've done that with me before where it's like I'm
on the fence and you're like giving me the confidence
to do something.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
But yeah, that's with like like a cold.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Plunge exactly like when we do cold plunches and I'm
scared and we put on tunes and you hype me up,
but she is terrified of heights, Like she has legitimate
fear of heights. She didn't want to go skydiving. I
highly doubt she wants to jump off this building. And
he immediately is like, no, we're doing it, and you
can see she's frustrated with him about it, and his
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response was like there was just no remorse.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
But it didn't. It just felt like they were not
connected in that moment.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
They were very It was It wasn't even like an
argument where I was like, oh, like she's being like
this or he's being like that's the argument was just
very weird. It felt like there was no communication happening,
or at least no effective communication.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah. I was watching im like, are either we're missing
something or these two are like.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Totally different pages.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I was like, maybe he's used to being with like
adrenaline junkies and he just doesn't understand what the problem is.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
And I would be upset if I was her too.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I think if I really didn't want to do something
and I was genuinely terrified and this person was making
this decision for me, not asking how I felt about it,
not considering my feelings about the situation and was kind
of pushing me to do something that I clearly just
really didn't want to do without inquiring why or like
how he could support her through it. Like I just
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felt like they needed to have a much, much more
in depth, mature conversation about the situation, and it was
just falling so flat and it was just really uncomfortable
and weird to watch.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah, and I watched it. I was like, I was
watching I was watching it, and I was like, it
almost feels like like I don't know how Sam didn't
pick up on at the beginning, like I'm now overstepping
a little bit. I need to I need to like
back up because this girl might like break up with
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me on the spot and we're not there yet.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Like it like it's one thing for him to jump
in and be excited and be like, no, we're doing
it and then maybe realize that he overstepped and backtrack
a little bit and.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Be like that's what Yes, you know, that's what I
was waiting for.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, that's what I was waiting for too, for him
to be like I got excited. I thought that you
would maybe want to do this too, But I'm totally okay.
To not do it if you don't want to. But
it just felt like that light bulb never went off
for him.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, No, I was like, yeah, I was in my head.
I was like the jen say like push me to
do but it was clearly she didn't want to do
it like that.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
He said something like she needs to get comfortable being uncomfortable. Yeah,
which almost made me think he realized how scared she
was and he was just like, no, we're going to
do this. And I think he maybe had this vision
that like she was going to be scared, but they
were going to do it, and she was going to
feel great after and it was going to be like
an amazing, memorable speriend which.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Kind of ends up, which is actually ends up what happened.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Totally after he like you know, pushes through the point
of tears.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Well, okay, so they go out, They go on top
of the building, and they have an option to jump
off the building or walk around the building. Now for me,
walking around it, it's worse than jumping off. Once I
got off there, I would say, harness me in and
throw me off this thing. There's no way like the
way Sam was leaning back and hanging off it. I
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was like that, that looks terrified.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
There's nothing I want to do less then hang off
a tall building. Yeah, Like same as me, walk, I
harness me up and I will run off this building.
That get me to the ground as soon as possible.
I want to spend as little time on the platform
as possible.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
What would you? What would you? What would you if
you had to choose an option to be hanging off
that building or be dropped in the middle of the deep,
deep ocean when it's pitch black out.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
No, I have to hang off the building. I can't
mess with the ocean. Like, we don't know anything about
the ocean. We don't even know where eels came from. Like,
I just I can't be involved with the ocean in
the in the middle of the night time.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
The ocean in the middle of the night is a
scary place.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, and it's probably scary than we even know because
so much of it is undiscovered. I would hang off
that building for twenty four hours before you drop me
in the middle of the ocean. With that being said,
I would jump off the building before I hung off
of it.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So we see, I just knew that with.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
That's my biggest spirit that's my bigges, sheites.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I knew that would get you, and then we yeah,
I mean they basically she's still like, they're still kind
of arguing out there, and then finally Jen breaks down.
She starts crying, and then Sam consoles her, and he's
kind of like, just don't do it, which it was like, okay,
you've you finally read the room.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, way fall off the building, and she like won't
even look at him. I literally just want to shake
him and be like Sam, like wake up. She's freaking out.
But he finally got there. I do think, you know,
he made some serious errors in this situation. But Jen,
(10:08):
I will say, kept saying in her interviews, he's not
reading my emotions. He's not reading my emotions, and to
his defense, they don't show.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Each other that wall I was going to say, I
almost feel I almost feel a little bad for him
because I feel like he like he totally misread the
entire situation, and then I feel bad strong.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Yeah, I don't feel bad for I don't think he
was opening his eyes to her feelings as much as
he should have been, and he should have been a
little bit more sensitive to that. But I do think
that she and you know, this is very difficult to
do when you're petrified with fear for your life. But
I think she could have done a bit of a
better job of expressing her emotions and standing firm and like, dude,
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I'm freaking out. I don't want to do this, not
because I'm not adventurous, I'm genuinely terrified. I need you
to take a step off that building and comfort me
and like think about what I might want and what
I might need in this situation, because I think he
was really set on something that he wanted to do
and wasn't really in tune with what she wanted until
she started crying.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Well, I think with a lot of these guys too,
and I think that's kind of been a little bit
of the issue with the season is a lot of
these guys are like instantly like that's my girl, That's
who I'm going to end up with, like and like
everybody's like they're being whatever, ferociously passionate or whatever everyone
keeps saying. But I feel like they are missing the
beginning stages of a relationship, which is get really getting
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to know someone. And you could see just being out
there and seeing how scared Jen was, and him not
being able to pick that up is a sign that
he doesn't really know this girl.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, they don't know each other that well at all.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
So I think, like, I think a lot of these
guys need to take a step back.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
They all need to just be more curious about who
Jen is and more inquisitive and take.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
That worried about if they're going to be the ones
to get engaged to her.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
One hundred If I hear like I'm Jen's husband, Jen's
my wife, it's me and her one more time from
one of these guys, Like, and then you see so
many things play out that just tell you, like how
little Jen knows.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
These guys and these guys know her.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, it's like people's words are not matching up with
their actions and what we're seeing of these relationships.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Well, one thousand percent, and then we go so she
ends up jumping, She ends up jumping all they both
jump off the building. Jen's actually happy she did it.
It actually looked like it could be I could see
that being fun. I would hate it, but I can
still see a baby.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I was laughing because she was like, I did it.
I did it. I will never do that again and
that was literally you innuent skyde hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I was like, yeah, I did it great and never
doing this again. Yeah. And then we go to the
night portion, which is just this will be kind of quick,
but uh Sam opens up to her and talks about how.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
His age, he was engaged there's another dude.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah. He questioned her a lot and was probing her
and basically found out there was another guy, which I'm
assuming there were signs or he probably picked up on it,
and that's rough. And he did say like he's he
is ready and he's somebody that wants to get married,
which I do believe.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I believe that too.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, I think he wants a family. He talks about that.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
There's always some reassurance and the guys that come in
that were previously engaged, because it's like, Okay, you were
ready to do this at one point in your life,
so like there's evidence that you're serious about a potential
engagement in a marriage here.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, And I think this is the first time we
see these these two kind of like connect on a
more serious, like deeper level, which, yeah, is his saving grace.
After the beginning of this day.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
The beginnings just start it off so rough on this date,
and I would say it just continued to get worse
until about the middle and then it slowly got better.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeahah, the night portion of this.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Date was really good.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
She opened up, She actually got really emotional talking about
just her family dynamic and not feeling worthy of love,
which we see her open up about more later on
in the episode as well. But it was definitely a
more serious moment. And as much as the date was
quite rocky, And I will say that, like there was
some concerning things happening with their communication and the overall
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dynamic of the relationship, these two are really into each
other and I think that only grew by the end
of the State.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, and I think I think, like you said, I
think a big part of that is really just not
kind of like jumping into this thing, you know, ten
steps ahead, but realizing like you don't really know this person.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
So it's kind of like, yeah, and just maybe like
what she needs from Sam is not something that Sam
is used to giving.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Curious, like it just seems like compatibility is.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I'm curious if the night portion of this date was
the front end of the State, if Sam would have
reacted the same way with Jen or if it would have.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Changed, I think it would have been the same.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, okay, all right, so let's let's jump to the
group date, which is a Rugby date, and the other
Sam sam En is kind of the one that really
stands out on this date, and not for any good reason.
(15:36):
It was it was pretty hard to watch. I'm not
gonna lie like I watched it.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
I was like, this is bizarre, and I'm gonna be honest,
it only got worse in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, I kept getting worse.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
It was like the day portion, it really felt like
he was just like really amped up, maybe a little
too many energy dranks, a lot of bold moves happening,
but all felt like fell out of character, but like
he was just like having the time of his life
and maybe taking some risks that weren't really aligned with
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what he would usually do in those situations. But the
night portion, in my opinion, was like much worse than
the day portion.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, and his whole his defense was like I'm here,
I'm not here to make friends. I'm here for Jen,
and I think that's fine, But in the same breath,
you do need to, like you have to treat your
pairers with some respect, like or at least a little decency,
like like you you really should And it was different
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like what Devin did, because I felt like he was
like in his head was comparing this to what Devin
did on the date with the ice cream thing, and
I feel like Devin pulling her for ice cream for
ten minutes during the group date. I get how that
could rub guys the wrong way, but to me, that
really wasn't Like I didn't really have an issue with this,
(17:05):
but the way sam En was hapving like just like
talking to the guys and like basically like telling them
like this is how you should be acting. It was
just like it was hard to watch and like all
the other guys were like this, this is this is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
And I also think Devin, as much as like I
wasn't really vibing with the way he was moving in
that first group date, especially with like the Aaron and
him drama and all of that, we've really seen him
and I hope I don't eat my words in the
next few episodes, but we've really seen him calm down,
and I think it's makes more sense to me someone
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coming in and coming on really really strong and moving
at like one hundred and twenty percent and then maybe
being like whoa, I got a little carried away.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Let me take a step back.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Then Sam n like week four ramping it up to
two hundred percent, when he was not showing like these
parts of his personality for the last three weeks. It
just feels like where did this come from?
Speaker 1 (18:06):
It felt like really forced, Like watching it, I like
felt embarrassed for him. I'm like, this is this is
this is like getting really awkward, like what is what
is happening? Like the way he was walking in front
of the guys in the house with the trophy in
his jersey, and it was just kind of like fuck
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these guys, Like I'm I'm doing it. Like I felt
for the guys because they were kind of like like
they were really trying to like talk him off the
ledge of like.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Dude, just yeah, Marcus said, chill out. What did he say?
Speaker 3 (18:42):
He said to Marcus when we went down the couch,
he was like, can you check yourself? Like and it
was like yeah, like he really needed to be honest,
and I think during the day he did a few
things that I was like, okay.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Marcus said to him, can you check yourself.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Yeah, why did I say the other way around? Oh yeah,
Marcus said that to him.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
During the day.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
You know, he's stealing Jen for like some moments, and
I'm like, you know what, he's just like really trying.
He's really trying. He's to put himself out there and
to connect with her. But then the night portion, it
was like a cocky attitude. It kind of turned into
like this, like it turned from enthusiasm and a lot
of effort and boldness to cockiness. And that's I think
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what really starts to rub the guy is the wrong way.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, no, it was. It was. It was really rough.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Like he clearly put the trophy down in that spot
so that he could sit closest to Jen, because you
know she's gonna walk in and sit in the middle
of the couch, so that he could pull her first.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Which he did, which he did, and he pulls her first,
and you know they're having a conversation and she was
I thought she was honestly great in the conversation like that.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
She was great.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
And I actually thought the jersey thing was cute, like
she he had Jen's husband written on his jersey. He
put one that said like Sam EN's wife like a
little early for all that, but like we're we're just
having fun here. Yeah, it's a little it's a little
bit much, but he's that's kind of you know, you.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Have the problem, but he's doing it with he's not
doing it with like fun energy. It's it's coming across
of like letting you know, this is what's gonna happen.
I'm gonna be your husband, You're gonna be my wife.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Ah, yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
The delivery it's kind of like similar to what we
said about the him saying I'm falling in love with
you thing. It's like the delivery always falls a little flat, unfortunately. Yeah,
And he's basically she's saying, like this is manifestation. I'm
manifesting that you're going to be my wife. And I
didn't realize they hadn't even kissed yet.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, they're never going to because he asked her at
the end of the conversation, can I kiss you now?
And she, unfortunately says, Sam, I need to walk you out.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Which I think was the right decision.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, I do. I think like and we interviewed him
and he's a nice guy. I just feel like I
really feel like this just was not his element.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah, and we just see like Thomas n tries to
pull him aside in his yellow polo that I just
need him to throw in the donation Ben because I
can't see it in another episode. Thomas, if you're listening,
you have a great wardrobe.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I seen you in some really good looks. I've seen
this yellow pole three weeks in a row. You're a
handsome dude. Does nothing for you.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
It's not your color.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I think we can as your friend. I'm telling you,
like it's time to let that thing go. That's how
I stand.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Okay, another thing you feel partially about it? I really
feel What did he say? What was that conversation between the.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Greenswar did the beginn the episode look great on him?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
What? What did they when he interrupted Thomas? How did that
go again?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Pull Thomas aside?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I think because all the guys were just like enough
is enough, and they're trying to talk to him, and
sam En is just like, mind your business. This has
nothing to do with your time with Jen, so like
you should just mind your business. And it doesn't really
match the situation what he claiming, like it's not like
these guys are spending their time with Jen talking about him,
like they're all just chilling on the couch. Only one
(22:05):
person gets to talk to her at a time. Yeah,
and he's rubbing them the wrong way and they're kind
of just telling him, like, you got to cool it, man.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah. I liked when somebody's like, it's this isn't even
about gen right now, Like, yeah, we're just like all
sitting here trying to get along, like exactly what you
what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, And he's acting like he won the whole thing
when it was a team effort. He's using phrases like
boss bitch energy and how she only is just boss.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Oh, I forgot about the boss bitch energy. That was
That was bad. That might have been that was that
was really bad. But the one the one highlight of
this group date was Marcus gets the group date.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Rose Yes and Marcus and her have a chat talking
about he hurt his shoulder during the rugby game.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
He's the only one on the date that actually played rugby.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah, he wrecks his shoulder at the beginning. And I
thought their conversation was really great, really powerful. I thought
she did a great job of being there for him
and providing a safe space for him to open up
if he felt comfortable to do so, without pushing him
to a place that maybe he wasn't comfortable going.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I agree. I agree with well said.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
And he said something along the lines of, oh my god,
this this really broke my hairt when he says, he said,
hurting about anything sometimes means hurting about everything. And you
just know we've heard his story on his one on
one date. He's been through a lot of very serious
life events and he got emotional when he got the rose,
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and honestly it was I was really happy to see
her give him that rose. I agree, because I think
that reassurance meant so much to him, and I think
you would hopefully only encourage him to feel the strength
to be vulnerable more and more throughout this journey.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Agreed. And then we go to Devin's. Devin gets to
one on one and I thought, overall, I think this
date went really well.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, it actually went really well.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I think there was way more chill than I expect
him to be.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, I'm curious. I'm curious where her head was before
going into it. But I really think like after the date,
she's feels pretty connected to this guy. Uh to me
after that date, he's he looks like definitely, he's definitely
one of the front runners.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
I think at this point her strongest connections actually might
be Sam m and Devin the two one on one
dates this week.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Maybe, And then I would say maybe Marcus.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Marcus is up there. Grant is up there.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
We didn't see too much of him this episode. He
had a couple of funny lines. Jonathan actually had a
really really cute moment playing lacrosse together on the group date.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah. Yeah, I Jonathan. He's one of my favorite people
in the house.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, he's great. So there's definitely a couple of guys.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
But Sam and Devin obviously had the one of ones
this week, so we were able to see their connections
really grow. And I feel like week four and five
are such pivotal moments when you're contestant on the show
of like if the connection has started growing, like this
is the turning port where things are just starting to
go from like let's get to know each other and
see if we like each other to okay, is this
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something serious?
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah? And I do think yeah, And I think with
Devin and Jen it is definitely becoming And even with Sam,
it's they're all they're becoming serious, like they're becoming serious relationships.
They're talking about their past relationships, they're families, how they
grew up. They're being open and vulnerable with each other.
So they are definitely both moving in that direction.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah, and they bonded over you know. Devin says his
father was an immigrant from Mexico and his parents split,
and then at the night portion they dive more into
just the similarities between their upbringings and how they both
don't have the most well. Jen actually says she doesn't
have a relationship with her father, I think at all anymore.
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And Devin's relationship with his dad is a little bit
more distant as well.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I thought he spoke about his childhood and his past
and his relationships with his parents very maturely, and there's
clearly been a lot of like reflection and growth done there.
He even admits, like, you know, I maybe wasn't the
best kid, and I idolized my dad.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
For these reasons.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
And you can just see how he's grown to have
this admiration for his mom, who really worked and took
care of him. And raised him, and I thought it
was like a really vulnerable moment from him, and I
thought it was nice to be able to see Jen
really connect with someone on a deep level over something
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that they have in common.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, this was This was a big and this was
a big episode because we get we get that from
from two guys. So yeah, I think I think Sam
m and Devin are they both got the one on ones,
and I would say after both of their dates, they
are both in a much better position that they wore
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going in.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah. I would say.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
The only person that I would say is not in
a great spot with Jen would have been sam N
if she hadn't sent him home.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Well yeah, Sam, and I was. I was samn was
going home this episode, whether or not she sent them
home or didn't give him a rose. Okay. And then
the last the last part of the episode, which oh
my god.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I almost totally forgot about this. I was like, wait
a second, there was no cocktail party. What happened.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
I'm so happy that we're getting Jen on this week
because I need to ask her more about this relationship.
So Jen's X one of her acts and this is
not the toxic X. This was an X that she
still got along with. They dated early on and then
they RecA later later, like a few years later.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
She said they dated for like three to four months,
or he said, Matthew is his name. They dated for
about three to four months three years ago. But it
seems like they've kind of been on and off since
they they dated, maybe like as friends, as more than friends.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
And he's coming to tell Jen that he's in love.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
With her, yeah, which I wonder if he's if they've
ever said they were in love with each other before.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
We're gonna ask her because I need to know, because
like her.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I mean, she was supposed to be going to Colombia
on a trip with them, and then to two weddings.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
It sounds like yeah, like like recently.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
But that doesn't that doesn't mean it was serious. It
could have just meant like, hey, we're single, let's have
some fun.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
To be honest, her reaction was very shocked, but also
she wasn't it wasn't like it. I wasn't like, oh,
this was a serious boyfriend. It almost seems like they
it was a casual it's it's it seemed like it
was a casual relationship, and she was like, whoa I
(29:05):
didn't know you had these feelings.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Or maybe it like teetered the line of are we
going to take it to that next level?
Speaker 2 (29:13):
And they just never did.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Did who broke it off with?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
I don't know. I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
You know what was crazy I've never seen them do
this on the show is they broke.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
The fourth wall.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
When Jesse Palmer's talking directly to the audience, I was like,
what is going on right now?
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Like is this fairest Beula? Like what is happening?
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Like I don't like I've ever seen them do that
in the show, Like Jesse Palmer is dead ass talking
to the camera about Jen filming her be rolled down
by the harbor with her producer, Like I'm looking at
one of our producers on screen. I was like, what
is going on? Like it was just so so like
off brand for the show. But I liked it. I
(29:58):
enjoyed it. I was just really really taking it back,
Like Jesse Palmer's looking in my eyes was like, what
is going on? I guess they do do that actually
at reunion shows, just rarely on the actual show, and
they like rarely ever mentioned like the.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Work that goes into filming the show.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
What do you Okay, So we're gonna ask Jen a
bunch of questions about her past relationship with Matthew and
how she felt when he showed up, but overall, what
is your opinion on him as of now? And how
do you think the audience is going to respond?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I don't know how the audience is going to respond.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I think it'll be easier to see once the next
episode comes out, like how this all plays out. I
liked him. I think he seemed really nice, very nice.
He really wasn't giving bad intentions to me.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, I just worry that, Like, I think it's gonna
be hard for him not to get the wrap of
like you just want to be on the Bachelor.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Which I don't think he does.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I don't think I really don't get that vibe. I
don't get that vibe either, But I think I think
a lot of guys are gonna push.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
That one hundred percent. People are gonna push that. I mean,
that's always going to be a question in people's minds
of you've known her for all these years and now
she's on a TV show and you're here. But I
don't know, Like I can't imagine. Maybe this is just
because I wouldn't ever do this, like someone going on
a show that like I wasn't interested in. But I
was like casually dating for years, and I was like,
(31:33):
you know what I'm gonna do is get my ass
on TV and be a fraud and fly to New
zeal And, fly my ass twenty four hours to New
Zealand on my own dime, to wreck up her life
a little bit for a few days and get my
twenty seconds of fame. Like what like, yeah, I agree, No,
Like I just you got like, I just really don't
think I would say a very very small portion of
the population she would ever do that. And this guy
(31:53):
is not giving me that.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Well said, we are on the same page and I
like them too.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
But do you think she should if she's interested, Let's
say she's curious about where the relationship go could go,
do you think she should keep him? Because we have
seen leads bring people on late before.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, like Nick from Nick went on Caitlin season, but
he was on a previous Bachelorette. We saw Blake Wayins
go on Katie season. I just I think it's hard
because I do think I do think there's a part
of Jen that has to be aware of that there
(32:37):
is an audience, and I do think it's gonna be
hard for people to be like, well, why the fuck
didn't you guys figure this out before you agreed to
be the bachelorette. And I think her answer could be
simple of just like, yeah, I just didn't know his
feelings were that strong, and now and now knowing that,
maybe my feelings were stronger than I'm aware of. But
(32:57):
I think, I mean, listen, I think if she if
she really has feelings for him, regardless of what people
are gonna think, I think she keeps she should keep
them if the feelings are still there, If she is
really just like I I will never end up with
this guy, then let him go.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, it's so hard.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I think if I was going to keep him, I
would maybe say like, We're gonna give it a week
and then I'm gonna make like a hard decision.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
I think it's a good way to test how you're
really feeling about the people that you are feeling that's true,
you know, like she could really now go back to
the Sam's and the Devins and be like, hmm.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
The thing is, if I'm a contestant, I mean, look,
if I'm a contest. I'm like, it's her decision, it's
her season, it's her show. But I would have a
really hard time with it because I would be sitting
there like I can't compete with an X. You've known
this guy for three years, even if you weren't dating.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Him the whole time, that.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Wouldn't phase me at all.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I would just be like I just wouldn't be thrilled
that he was there. I mean, I would never be
a jerk to him, but I'm sure some of the
guys will be.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I would. I would, I would never be mean to him,
but in my head, I would really feel like I
wouldn't even pay him, Like I wouldn't care, But I
would feel like I have the advantage because if you
guys couldn't figure this out for three years, for three
years exactly.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Probably not going to figure it out now, right, I agree, Well,
that's my mentality Also why I don't think she should
keep him. You know, if you've had three years of
history and you haven't figured it out yet, I don't
know if you're going to figure it out now, And like,
you should give these guys a hundred of a full
shot without comparing them to someone that you have like
all this history with outside of this.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Situation. I thought I knew.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I there's not really a clear right or wrong answer.
It's really whatever her heart's telling her.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I knew in the teaser that we were going to
get like someone from her past comes back. I just
associated it with Charity season when Aaron came back, and
I constantly forget that he was on her season, So
it wasn't like it was like true X, and I
just thought it was going to end up being like
(35:26):
where it was too late. Yeah, but he kind of
is coming back where it isn't too late.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
It's like right before the windows fully shut, where she's like,
my relationships with these guys are so far along, like
I'm falling in love, like I could see myself with
some of these guys, and she's not quite there yet.
I know.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
I guess I've said it like five times.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
It's okay, so have I.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
They should add it to the vocabulary of the show
and all the freaking lines that are getting thrown around
twenty four to seven. But yeah, it's like right before
the window of opportunity shut. He's snuck in and he's
not some dude, but this guy seems like a genuinely
nice guy, and I think she's actually curious about where
it could go. And she's not really far along with
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these guys yet, where it's like the door shut to
someone new entering the journey. I think the smoothest option,
with the least turbulence is to politely send him home,
but I know that's easier said than done if she
really has strong feelings for him.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
And then we think maybe if she wasn't asked to
be the bachelorette, would she have explored that relationship because
from her season, wasn't a daisy who went back off
the show and then kind of like got back with.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I got got back with a guy from her past,
a guy that.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
She used to date, so like it does.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Happen people get back with their exes.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Well, we'll find out. We'll ask her later this week.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yeah, we have a lot of questions and unanswered, unanswered questions.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Make sure you stay tuned to the episode with Jen
it's coming out. And thank you guys so much for
listening to Beta Happy Hour, Subscribe, download, listen you don't
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Speaker 3 (37:05):
Order, and thank you, and yeah, what Jo said, thanks
for listening bye,
Hey, everyone, Welcome back to Bachler Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I am Joe and I'm Serena, and we are.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
Back with another recap of GEN season. This is episode
four four four. I will say I've been I've recapped
a bunch of episodes. I've been doing this podcast for
a while clickbait I did before this, so I've been
watching the show forever now, And I will say that this,
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you know, like this, this episode, I didn't even have
to take notes. This was one of the more entertaining
episodes of the Bachelorette or The Bachelor that I think
I've ever watched. I don't know why. I think I
just enjoyed every storyline, but I was very entertained.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I feel like I was the opposite. I took like
so many notes in this episode. I kept like pausing
it and rewinding and re listening to things people were
saying and writing down quotes because there was just so much.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
I was overwhelmed by it all. I think.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
A good episode of The Bachelor standard has like some
good love moments and some good drama moments. Yeah, but
I feel like this one had so many storylines that
were interesting and engaging and unique and crazy that. Yeah,
it was just a jam packed episode in a really
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good way.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, so I think we let's let's break this down
from like, Okay, well they are in They're in New Zealand,
so we know that that's location, beautiful, beautiful place.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
We start off with a chat between Jen and Jesse.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Did you know that they stopped doing food on dates
after Jesse season because he was chowing down so hard.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I didn't know that, but it makes sense after watching
him eat just in this and this episode, because he
was he was going to town in this episode.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
I mean, I knew that eating on the dates wasn't
really a thing because like, it sounds gross. You don't
want to listen to people chewing blah blah blah, and
you want to focus on like the conversation versus the eating.
But watching the clips of him chowing on corn on
the cob on his one one dates and like slurfing noodles, I.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Was like, this is so funny.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Someone had to be the guinea pig, and it was
it was Jesse.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
It was Jesse.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yeah, he was the camel or the straw that broke
the camel's back with the food on the date situation.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Okay, so we have she gives her first Her first
one on one date goes to Samm.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Sam m Sam H.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I'm excited to learn a little more about him. I
want to see how his how we see him a
lot basically, just like him arguing with Devin and his
interaction with the guys, but I want to see like
a more vulnerable side of him with Jen. So I'm
happy that he got the date so we get to
learn a little more about him.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, I feel like Samm we've seen that he's a
passionate person. He's physically super passionate with Jen. He's super
passionate about his hate towards Devin. He's got some strong feelings. Yeah,
and him and Jen definitely have a spark a connection.
But if I'm being honest, up until this point in
the season, I haven't really seen Jen have like a
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deep emotional connection with anyone. Like She's had some good conversations.
She definitely has some sex chemistry with some people. But
I'm waiting to see those relationships really develop. And i
think it's obvious that we know she likes Sam and
it's a good time for them to progress the relationship further.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Definitely, So it doesn't start off great for Samon. No,
it's like, actually, it's pretty hard to watch at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
So she's sitting there and it's like, Okay, hey, surprise,
someone just jumped.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Off the top of this building.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, at the top of this building, which is very high.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
And we know at this point she hates heights because
she was very vocal about it when they did the
skydiving date. And this date starts off and it's very romantic,
like they're sitting at a restaurant, They're looking at these
beautiful views of the city and the tone shifts to
tents so quickly.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Well, she's very scared and he so the waiter comes
by like, ask, would you like to would you like
to basically jump off the building? I forget exactly what
it's called, but you're gonna jump off the building sky
jump the sky jump, which is very popular in this
area of New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I don't think it's like a regional thing. I think
it's like a special to this building.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah shift, yeah, true, that's funny, and he sent she's
freaking out and he steps in is like, we're gonna
do it, Like you're doing it as well, and she's like,
you're you're not not. This is like worse than ordering
food for me. You're gonna You're gonna basically tell me
I'm jumping off this building, which was a crazy move
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and very in like it would make more sense if
it was like I don't know if I should, and
like she was kind of like indicating like push me
to do it. We're playing around, we're flirting, jump in
and be like, yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Then that's exactly what I said when I watched this.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I was like if she was giving off the like oh,
I don't know, like it sounds a little scary, and
he was more just being encouraging, like let's do it.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I got you.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
We'll do it together like you see on the fence,
but like if you want to do it, like I'm
here to do it with you, but.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Let's do a shot. Let's do it and yeah, yeah, like.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
You've done that with me before where it's like I'm
on the fence and you're like giving me the confidence
to do something.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
But yeah, that's with like like a cold.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Plunge exactly like when we do cold plunches and I'm
scared and we put on tunes and you hype me up,
but she is terrified of heights, Like she has legitimate
fear of heights. She didn't want to go skydiving. I
highly doubt she wants to jump off this building. And
he immediately is like, no, we're doing it, and you
can see she's frustrated with him about it, and his
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response was like there was just no remorse.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
But it didn't. It just felt like they were not
connected in that moment.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
They were very It was It wasn't even like an
argument where I was like, oh, like she's being like
this or he's being like that's the argument was just
very weird. It felt like there was no communication happening,
or at least no effective communication.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Yeah. I was watching im like, are either we're missing
something or these two are like.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Totally different pages.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I was like, maybe he's used to being with like
adrenaline junkies and he just doesn't understand what the problem is.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
And I would be upset if I was her too.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
I think if I really didn't want to do something
and I was genuinely terrified and this person was making
this decision for me, not asking how I felt about it,
not considering my feelings about the situation and was kind
of pushing me to do something that I clearly just
really didn't want to do without inquiring why or like
how he could support her through it. Like I just
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felt like they needed to have a much, much more
in depth, mature conversation about the situation, and it was
just falling so flat and it was just really uncomfortable
and weird to watch.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yeah, and I watched it. I was like, I was
watching I was watching it, and I was like, it
almost feels like like I don't know how Sam didn't
pick up on at the beginning, like I'm now overstepping
a little bit. I need to I need to like
back up because this girl might like break up with
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me on the spot and we're not there yet.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Like it like it's one thing for him to jump
in and be excited and be like, no, we're doing
it and then maybe realize that he overstepped and backtrack
a little bit and.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Be like that's what Yes, you know, that's what I
was waiting for.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, that's what I was waiting for too, for him
to be like I got excited. I thought that you
would maybe want to do this too, But I'm totally okay.
To not do it if you don't want to. But
it just felt like that light bulb never went off
for him.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, No, I was like, yeah, I was in my head.
I was like the jen say like push me to
do but it was clearly she didn't want to do
it like that.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
He said something like she needs to get comfortable being uncomfortable. Yeah,
which almost made me think he realized how scared she
was and he was just like, no, we're going to
do this. And I think he maybe had this vision
that like she was going to be scared, but they
were going to do it, and she was going to
feel great after and it was going to be like
an amazing, memorable speriend which.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Kind of ends up, which is actually ends up what happened.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Totally after he like you know, pushes through the point
of tears.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Well, okay, so they go out, They go on top
of the building, and they have an option to jump
off the building or walk around the building. Now for me,
walking around it, it's worse than jumping off. Once I
got off there, I would say, harness me in and
throw me off this thing. There's no way like the
way Sam was leaning back and hanging off it. I
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was like that, that looks terrified.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
There's nothing I want to do less then hang off
a tall building. Yeah, Like same as me, walk, I
harness me up and I will run off this building.
That get me to the ground as soon as possible.
I want to spend as little time on the platform
as possible.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
What would you? What would you? What would you if
you had to choose an option to be hanging off
that building or be dropped in the middle of the deep,
deep ocean when it's pitch black out.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
No, I have to hang off the building. I can't
mess with the ocean. Like, we don't know anything about
the ocean. We don't even know where eels came from. Like,
I just I can't be involved with the ocean in
the in the middle of the night time.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
The ocean in the middle of the night is a
scary place.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Yeah, and it's probably scary than we even know because
so much of it is undiscovered. I would hang off
that building for twenty four hours before you drop me
in the middle of the ocean. With that being said,
I would jump off the building before I hung off
of it.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So we see, I just knew that with.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
That's my biggest spirit that's my bigges, sheites.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I knew that would get you, and then we yeah,
I mean they basically she's still like, they're still kind
of arguing out there, and then finally Jen breaks down.
She starts crying, and then Sam consoles her, and he's
kind of like, just don't do it, which it was like, okay,
you've you finally read the room.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, way fall off the building, and she like won't
even look at him. I literally just want to shake
him and be like Sam, like wake up. She's freaking out.
But he finally got there. I do think, you know,
he made some serious errors in this situation. But Jen,
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I will say, kept saying in her interviews, he's not
reading my emotions. He's not reading my emotions, and to
his defense, they don't show.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Each other that wall I was going to say, I
almost feel I almost feel a little bad for him
because I feel like he like he totally misread the
entire situation, and then I feel bad strong.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Yeah, I don't feel bad for I don't think he
was opening his eyes to her feelings as much as
he should have been, and he should have been a
little bit more sensitive to that. But I do think
that she and you know, this is very difficult to
do when you're petrified with fear for your life. But
I think she could have done a bit of a
better job of expressing her emotions and standing firm and like, dude,
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I'm freaking out. I don't want to do this, not
because I'm not adventurous, I'm genuinely terrified. I need you
to take a step off that building and comfort me
and like think about what I might want and what
I might need in this situation, because I think he
was really set on something that he wanted to do
and wasn't really in tune with what she wanted until
she started crying.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Well, I think with a lot of these guys too,
and I think that's kind of been a little bit
of the issue with the season is a lot of
these guys are like instantly like that's my girl, That's
who I'm going to end up with, like and like
everybody's like they're being whatever, ferociously passionate or whatever everyone
keeps saying. But I feel like they are missing the
beginning stages of a relationship, which is get really getting
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to know someone. And you could see just being out
there and seeing how scared Jen was, and him not
being able to pick that up is a sign that
he doesn't really know this girl.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, they don't know each other that well at all.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
So I think, like, I think a lot of these
guys need to take a step back.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
They all need to just be more curious about who
Jen is and more inquisitive and take.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
That worried about if they're going to be the ones
to get engaged to her.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
One hundred If I hear like I'm Jen's husband, Jen's
my wife, it's me and her one more time from
one of these guys, Like, and then you see so
many things play out that just tell you, like how
little Jen knows.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
These guys and these guys know her.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yeah, it's like people's words are not matching up with
their actions and what we're seeing of these relationships.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Well, one thousand percent, and then we go so she
ends up jumping, She ends up jumping all they both
jump off the building. Jen's actually happy she did it.
It actually looked like it could be I could see
that being fun. I would hate it, but I can
still see a baby.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
I was laughing because she was like, I did it.
I did it. I will never do that again and
that was literally you innuent skyde hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I was like, yeah, I did it great and never
doing this again. Yeah. And then we go to the
night portion, which is just this will be kind of quick,
but uh Sam opens up to her and talks about how.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
His age, he was engaged there's another dude.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah. He questioned her a lot and was probing her
and basically found out there was another guy, which I'm
assuming there were signs or he probably picked up on it,
and that's rough. And he did say like he's he
is ready and he's somebody that wants to get married,
which I do believe.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I believe that too.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, I think he wants a family. He talks about that.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
There's always some reassurance and the guys that come in
that were previously engaged, because it's like, Okay, you were
ready to do this at one point in your life,
so like there's evidence that you're serious about a potential
engagement in a marriage here.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Yeah, And I think this is the first time we
see these these two kind of like connect on a
more serious, like deeper level, which, yeah, is his saving grace.
After the beginning of this day.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
The beginnings just start it off so rough on this date,
and I would say it just continued to get worse
until about the middle and then it slowly got better.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeahah, the night portion of this.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Date was really good.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
She opened up, She actually got really emotional talking about
just her family dynamic and not feeling worthy of love,
which we see her open up about more later on
in the episode as well. But it was definitely a
more serious moment. And as much as the date was
quite rocky, And I will say that, like there was
some concerning things happening with their communication and the overall
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dynamic of the relationship, these two are really into each
other and I think that only grew by the end
of the State.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, and I think I think, like you said, I
think a big part of that is really just not
kind of like jumping into this thing, you know, ten
steps ahead, but realizing like you don't really know this person.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
So it's kind of like, yeah, and just maybe like
what she needs from Sam is not something that Sam
is used to giving.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Curious, like it just seems like compatibility is.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I'm curious if the night portion of this date was
the front end of the State, if Sam would have
reacted the same way with Jen or if it would have.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Changed, I think it would have been the same.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, okay, all right, so let's let's jump to the
group date, which is a Rugby date, and the other
Sam sam En is kind of the one that really
stands out on this date, and not for any good reason.
(15:36):
It was it was pretty hard to watch. I'm not
gonna lie like I watched it.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
I was like, this is bizarre, and I'm gonna be honest,
it only got worse in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Yeah, I kept getting worse.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
It was like the day portion, it really felt like
he was just like really amped up, maybe a little
too many energy dranks, a lot of bold moves happening,
but all felt like fell out of character, but like
he was just like having the time of his life
and maybe taking some risks that weren't really aligned with
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what he would usually do in those situations. But the
night portion, in my opinion, was like much worse than
the day portion.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, and his whole his defense was like I'm here,
I'm not here to make friends. I'm here for Jen,
and I think that's fine, But in the same breath,
you do need to, like you have to treat your
pairers with some respect, like or at least a little decency,
like like you you really should And it was different
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like what Devin did, because I felt like he was
like in his head was comparing this to what Devin
did on the date with the ice cream thing, and
I feel like Devin pulling her for ice cream for
ten minutes during the group date. I get how that
could rub guys the wrong way, but to me, that
really wasn't Like I didn't really have an issue with this,
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but the way sam En was hapving like just like
talking to the guys and like basically like telling them
like this is how you should be acting. It was
just like it was hard to watch and like all
the other guys were like this, this is this is ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
And I also think Devin, as much as like I
wasn't really vibing with the way he was moving in
that first group date, especially with like the Aaron and
him drama and all of that, we've really seen him
and I hope I don't eat my words in the
next few episodes, but we've really seen him calm down,
and I think it's makes more sense to me someone
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coming in and coming on really really strong and moving
at like one hundred and twenty percent and then maybe
being like whoa, I got a little carried away.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Let me take a step back.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Then Sam n like week four ramping it up to
two hundred percent, when he was not showing like these
parts of his personality for the last three weeks. It
just feels like where did this come from?
Speaker 1 (18:06):
It felt like really forced, Like watching it, I like
felt embarrassed for him. I'm like, this is this is
this is like getting really awkward, like what is what
is happening? Like the way he was walking in front
of the guys in the house with the trophy in
his jersey, and it was just kind of like fuck
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these guys, Like I'm I'm doing it. Like I felt
for the guys because they were kind of like like
they were really trying to like talk him off the
ledge of like.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Dude, just yeah, Marcus said, chill out. What did he say?
Speaker 3 (18:42):
He said to Marcus when we went down the couch,
he was like, can you check yourself? Like and it
was like yeah, like he really needed to be honest,
and I think during the day he did a few
things that I was like, okay.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Marcus said to him, can you check yourself.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Yeah, why did I say the other way around? Oh yeah,
Marcus said that to him.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
During the day.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
You know, he's stealing Jen for like some moments, and
I'm like, you know what, he's just like really trying.
He's really trying. He's to put himself out there and
to connect with her. But then the night portion, it
was like a cocky attitude. It kind of turned into
like this, like it turned from enthusiasm and a lot
of effort and boldness to cockiness. And that's I think
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what really starts to rub the guy is the wrong way.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, no, it was. It was. It was really rough.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Like he clearly put the trophy down in that spot
so that he could sit closest to Jen, because you
know she's gonna walk in and sit in the middle
of the couch, so that he could pull her first.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Which he did, which he did, and he pulls her first,
and you know they're having a conversation and she was
I thought she was honestly great in the conversation like that.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
She was great.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
And I actually thought the jersey thing was cute, like
she he had Jen's husband written on his jersey. He
put one that said like Sam EN's wife like a
little early for all that, but like we're we're just
having fun here. Yeah, it's a little it's a little
bit much, but he's that's kind of you know, you.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Have the problem, but he's doing it with he's not
doing it with like fun energy. It's it's coming across
of like letting you know, this is what's gonna happen.
I'm gonna be your husband, You're gonna be my wife.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Ah, yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
The delivery it's kind of like similar to what we
said about the him saying I'm falling in love with
you thing. It's like the delivery always falls a little flat, unfortunately. Yeah,
And he's basically she's saying, like this is manifestation. I'm
manifesting that you're going to be my wife. And I
didn't realize they hadn't even kissed yet.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Yeah, they're never going to because he asked her at
the end of the conversation, can I kiss you now?
And she, unfortunately says, Sam, I need to walk you out.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Which I think was the right decision.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, I do. I think like and we interviewed him
and he's a nice guy. I just feel like I
really feel like this just was not his element.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah, and we just see like Thomas n tries to
pull him aside in his yellow polo that I just
need him to throw in the donation Ben because I
can't see it in another episode. Thomas, if you're listening,
you have a great wardrobe.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I seen you in some really good looks. I've seen
this yellow pole three weeks in a row. You're a
handsome dude. Does nothing for you.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
It's not your color.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I think we can as your friend. I'm telling you,
like it's time to let that thing go. That's how
I stand.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Okay, another thing you feel partially about it? I really
feel What did he say? What was that conversation between the.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Greenswar did the beginn the episode look great on him?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
What? What did they when he interrupted Thomas? How did that
go again?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Pull Thomas aside?
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I think because all the guys were just like enough
is enough, and they're trying to talk to him, and
sam En is just like, mind your business. This has
nothing to do with your time with Jen, so like
you should just mind your business. And it doesn't really
match the situation what he claiming, like it's not like
these guys are spending their time with Jen talking about him,
like they're all just chilling on the couch. Only one
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person gets to talk to her at a time. Yeah,
and he's rubbing them the wrong way and they're kind
of just telling him, like, you got to cool it, man.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah. I liked when somebody's like, it's this isn't even
about gen right now, Like, yeah, we're just like all
sitting here trying to get along, like exactly what you
what are you doing?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, And he's acting like he won the whole thing
when it was a team effort. He's using phrases like
boss bitch energy and how she only is just boss.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Oh, I forgot about the boss bitch energy. That was
That was bad. That might have been that was that
was really bad. But the one the one highlight of
this group date was Marcus gets the group date.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Rose Yes and Marcus and her have a chat talking
about he hurt his shoulder during the rugby game.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
He's the only one on the date that actually played rugby.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
Yeah, he wrecks his shoulder at the beginning. And I
thought their conversation was really great, really powerful. I thought
she did a great job of being there for him
and providing a safe space for him to open up
if he felt comfortable to do so, without pushing him
to a place that maybe he wasn't comfortable going.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I agree. I agree with well said.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
And he said something along the lines of, oh my god,
this this really broke my hairt when he says, he said,
hurting about anything sometimes means hurting about everything. And you
just know we've heard his story on his one on
one date. He's been through a lot of very serious
life events and he got emotional when he got the rose,
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and honestly it was I was really happy to see
her give him that rose. I agree, because I think
that reassurance meant so much to him, and I think
you would hopefully only encourage him to feel the strength
to be vulnerable more and more throughout this journey.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Agreed. And then we go to Devin's. Devin gets to
one on one and I thought, overall, I think this
date went really well.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, it actually went really well.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I think there was way more chill than I expect
him to be.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, I'm curious. I'm curious where her head was before
going into it. But I really think like after the date,
she's feels pretty connected to this guy. Uh to me
after that date, he's he looks like definitely, he's definitely
one of the front runners.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
I think at this point her strongest connections actually might
be Sam m and Devin the two one on one
dates this week.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Maybe, And then I would say maybe Marcus.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Marcus is up there. Grant is up there.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
We didn't see too much of him this episode. He
had a couple of funny lines. Jonathan actually had a
really really cute moment playing lacrosse together on the group date.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah. Yeah, I Jonathan. He's one of my favorite people
in the house.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, he's great. So there's definitely a couple of guys.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
But Sam and Devin obviously had the one of ones
this week, so we were able to see their connections
really grow. And I feel like week four and five
are such pivotal moments when you're contestant on the show
of like if the connection has started growing, like this
is the turning port where things are just starting to
go from like let's get to know each other and
see if we like each other to okay, is this
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something serious?
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah? And I do think yeah, And I think with
Devin and Jen it is definitely becoming And even with Sam,
it's they're all they're becoming serious, like they're becoming serious relationships.
They're talking about their past relationships, they're families, how they
grew up. They're being open and vulnerable with each other.
So they are definitely both moving in that direction.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah, and they bonded over you know. Devin says his
father was an immigrant from Mexico and his parents split,
and then at the night portion they dive more into
just the similarities between their upbringings and how they both
don't have the most well. Jen actually says she doesn't
have a relationship with her father, I think at all anymore.
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And Devin's relationship with his dad is a little bit
more distant as well.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I thought he spoke about his childhood and his past
and his relationships with his parents very maturely, and there's
clearly been a lot of like reflection and growth done there.
He even admits, like, you know, I maybe wasn't the
best kid, and I idolized my dad.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
For these reasons.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
And you can just see how he's grown to have
this admiration for his mom, who really worked and took
care of him. And raised him, and I thought it
was like a really vulnerable moment from him, and I
thought it was nice to be able to see Jen
really connect with someone on a deep level over something
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that they have in common.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, this was This was a big and this was
a big episode because we get we get that from
from two guys. So yeah, I think I think Sam
m and Devin are they both got the one on ones,
and I would say after both of their dates, they
are both in a much better position that they wore
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going in.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah. I would say.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
The only person that I would say is not in
a great spot with Jen would have been sam N
if she hadn't sent him home.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Well yeah, Sam, and I was. I was samn was
going home this episode, whether or not she sent them
home or didn't give him a rose. Okay. And then
the last the last part of the episode, which oh
my god.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I almost totally forgot about this. I was like, wait
a second, there was no cocktail party. What happened.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
I'm so happy that we're getting Jen on this week
because I need to ask her more about this relationship.
So Jen's X one of her acts and this is
not the toxic X. This was an X that she
still got along with. They dated early on and then
they RecA later later, like a few years later.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
She said they dated for like three to four months,
or he said, Matthew is his name. They dated for
about three to four months three years ago. But it
seems like they've kind of been on and off since
they they dated, maybe like as friends, as more than friends.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
And he's coming to tell Jen that he's in love.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
With her, yeah, which I wonder if he's if they've
ever said they were in love with each other before.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
We're gonna ask her because I need to know, because
like her.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I mean, she was supposed to be going to Colombia
on a trip with them, and then to two weddings.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
It sounds like yeah, like like recently.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
But that doesn't that doesn't mean it was serious. It
could have just meant like, hey, we're single, let's have
some fun.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
To be honest, her reaction was very shocked, but also
she wasn't it wasn't like it. I wasn't like, oh,
this was a serious boyfriend. It almost seems like they
it was a casual it's it's it seemed like it
was a casual relationship, and she was like, whoa I
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didn't know you had these feelings.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Or maybe it like teetered the line of are we
going to take it to that next level?
Speaker 2 (29:13):
And they just never did.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Did who broke it off with?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
I don't know. I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
You know what was crazy I've never seen them do
this on the show is they broke.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
The fourth wall.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
When Jesse Palmer's talking directly to the audience, I was like,
what is going on right now?
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Like is this fairest Beula? Like what is happening?
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Like I don't like I've ever seen them do that
in the show, Like Jesse Palmer is dead ass talking
to the camera about Jen filming her be rolled down
by the harbor with her producer, Like I'm looking at
one of our producers on screen. I was like, what
is going on? Like it was just so so like
off brand for the show. But I liked it. I
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enjoyed it. I was just really really taking it back,
Like Jesse Palmer's looking in my eyes was like, what
is going on? I guess they do do that actually
at reunion shows, just rarely on the actual show, and
they like rarely ever mentioned like the.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Work that goes into filming the show.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
What do you Okay, So we're gonna ask Jen a
bunch of questions about her past relationship with Matthew and
how she felt when he showed up, but overall, what
is your opinion on him as of now? And how
do you think the audience is going to respond?
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I don't know how the audience is going to respond.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I think it'll be easier to see once the next
episode comes out, like how this all plays out. I
liked him. I think he seemed really nice, very nice.
He really wasn't giving bad intentions to me.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
Yeah, I just worry that, Like, I think it's gonna
be hard for him not to get the wrap of
like you just want to be on the Bachelor.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Which I don't think he does.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I don't think I really don't get that vibe. I
don't get that vibe either, But I think I think
a lot of guys are gonna push.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
That one hundred percent. People are gonna push that. I mean,
that's always going to be a question in people's minds
of you've known her for all these years and now
she's on a TV show and you're here. But I
don't know, Like I can't imagine. Maybe this is just
because I wouldn't ever do this, like someone going on
a show that like I wasn't interested in. But I
was like casually dating for years, and I was like,
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you know what I'm gonna do is get my ass
on TV and be a fraud and fly to New
zeal And, fly my ass twenty four hours to New
Zealand on my own dime, to wreck up her life
a little bit for a few days and get my
twenty seconds of fame. Like what like, yeah, I agree, No,
Like I just you got like, I just really don't
think I would say a very very small portion of
the population she would ever do that. And this guy
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is not giving me that.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Well said, we are on the same page and I
like them too.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
But do you think she should if she's interested, Let's
say she's curious about where the relationship go could go,
do you think she should keep him? Because we have
seen leads bring people on late before.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, like Nick from Nick went on Caitlin season, but
he was on a previous Bachelorette. We saw Blake Wayins
go on Katie season. I just I think it's hard
because I do think I do think there's a part
of Jen that has to be aware of that there
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is an audience, and I do think it's gonna be
hard for people to be like, well, why the fuck
didn't you guys figure this out before you agreed to
be the bachelorette. And I think her answer could be
simple of just like, yeah, I just didn't know his
feelings were that strong, and now and now knowing that,
maybe my feelings were stronger than I'm aware of. But
(32:57):
I think, I mean, listen, I think if she if
she really has feelings for him, regardless of what people
are gonna think, I think she keeps she should keep
them if the feelings are still there, If she is
really just like I I will never end up with
this guy, then let him go.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yeah, it's so hard.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I think if I was going to keep him, I
would maybe say like, We're gonna give it a week
and then I'm gonna make like a hard decision.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
I think it's a good way to test how you're
really feeling about the people that you are feeling that's true,
you know, like she could really now go back to
the Sam's and the Devins and be like, hmm.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
The thing is, if I'm a contestant, I mean, look,
if I'm a contest. I'm like, it's her decision, it's
her season, it's her show. But I would have a
really hard time with it because I would be sitting
there like I can't compete with an X. You've known
this guy for three years, even if you weren't dating.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
Him the whole time, that.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Wouldn't phase me at all.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
I would just be like I just wouldn't be thrilled
that he was there. I mean, I would never be
a jerk to him, but I'm sure some of the
guys will be.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
I would. I would, I would never be mean to him,
but in my head, I would really feel like I
wouldn't even pay him, Like I wouldn't care, But I
would feel like I have the advantage because if you
guys couldn't figure this out for three years, for three
years exactly.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Probably not going to figure it out now, right, I agree, Well,
that's my mentality Also why I don't think she should
keep him. You know, if you've had three years of
history and you haven't figured it out yet, I don't
know if you're going to figure it out now, And like,
you should give these guys a hundred of a full
shot without comparing them to someone that you have like
all this history with outside of this.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Situation. I thought I knew.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
I there's not really a clear right or wrong answer.
It's really whatever her heart's telling her.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I knew in the teaser that we were going to
get like someone from her past comes back. I just
associated it with Charity season when Aaron came back, and
I constantly forget that he was on her season, So
it wasn't like it was like true X, and I
just thought it was going to end up being like
(35:26):
where it was too late. Yeah, but he kind of
is coming back where it isn't too late.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
It's like right before the windows fully shut, where she's like,
my relationships with these guys are so far along, like
I'm falling in love, like I could see myself with
some of these guys, and she's not quite there yet.
I know.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
I guess I've said it like five times.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
It's okay, so have I.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
They should add it to the vocabulary of the show
and all the freaking lines that are getting thrown around
twenty four to seven. But yeah, it's like right before
the window of opportunity shut. He's snuck in and he's
not some dude, but this guy seems like a genuinely
nice guy, and I think she's actually curious about where
it could go. And she's not really far along with
(36:07):
these guys yet, where it's like the door shut to
someone new entering the journey. I think the smoothest option,
with the least turbulence is to politely send him home,
but I know that's easier said than done if she
really has strong feelings for him.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
And then we think maybe if she wasn't asked to
be the bachelorette, would she have explored that relationship because
from her season, wasn't a daisy who went back off
the show and then kind of like got back with.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I got got back with a guy from her past,
a guy that.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
She used to date, so like it does.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Happen people get back with their exes.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Well, we'll find out. We'll ask her later this week.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yeah, we have a lot of questions and unanswered, unanswered questions.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Make sure you stay tuned to the episode with Jen
it's coming out. And thank you guys so much for
listening to Beta Happy Hour, Subscribe, download, listen you don't
have to do it in that
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Order, and thank you, and yeah, what Jo said, thanks
for listening bye,
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