August 7, 2025 • 35 mins
Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re sitting down with Allyshia from this season of “Paradise”! Allyshia makes her “Happy Hour” debut and she does NOT disappoint! We kick things off by going back to Grant’s season and ask why she left so soon?! Then, we get into her trip to India and the many similarities she and Serena share in their heritage. And, of course, we dive into all things “Paradise” where she tells us about her attraction to Dale, how she ultimately chose Sean for her date, and so much more. She reveals all her hot takes on the Jeremy/Susie situation, certain moves from her fellow contestants that surprised her, and a few “what ifs” she’s been thinking over. Allyshia did not hold back! Be sure to tune in now and subscribe so you never miss an episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, well, welcome back to bet Your Happy Hour. I'm
Joe and I'm Serena, and we are here today with Alicia.
Welcome to Betterer Happy Hour at your first time on
the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yes, thank you so much for having me. I'm excited
to be here.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
We're excited to have you.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
I think we should start all the way back on
Grant Season, because we actually talked about you quite a
bit when we recapped Grant Season because you were such
a big part of episode.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
One and then poof, you're gone.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah. Yeah, that is a pretty good recount of how
things went. I obviously, you guys know, like I did
have a first kiss with him, We did share a
really good conversation, and those continued to happen while I
was on the show. So I was just as equally
shocked the night that he sent me home the previous
(00:50):
conversation we had leading into that really ceremony. He also
kind of gave me reassurance that we had a really
good connection and he was excited to see me again.
I gave him some photos of my family and he said,
I'll give these back to you when I see you again.
So in my head, I'm like, okay, that's him kind
of giving me a wink, like you're getting through this
(01:10):
row ceremony without actually doing it. So yeah, I was.
I was surprised, but I guess you went how it
goes on The.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Bachelor two or week three, Week two?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Right? Two?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
That's so shocking.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, like it's going like you share a kiss, everything's
going well, your conversations are are going well, and then
he takes photos.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
And you're actually actually see you later.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Did you ever did you ever speak with Grant again?
Do you have any idea why he did end up
sending you home?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
No, I don't know exactly why he sent me home.
My guest would be like physically, I'm not his type,
Like he probably doesn't like blondes and blue eyes, which
is fair enough. We all have a type. I have
spoken with him after I went to celebrate him and
ju Leanna at their engagement party post filming, so I
saw him there and his mom and family, and we're
all on good pages. It's just very friendly vibes between us. Two.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Nice because you left the Bachelors so early.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Were you surprised when you got the call at Paradise?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah? I was so surprised. I was surprised because I
left early and I had never watched Paradise before, so
I really had no idea what to expect. And then,
you know, going into summer, I had travel planned, so
I got the call. I was actually in India with
my little sister, so I kind of scrambled to get
things together and get back in time to make it
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for Paradise. But I was so excited to be thought of,
because yeah, I didn't know if I would be getting
the nod or the look at, you know, from being
on the show for so such a short amount of time.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah, you're half Indian, half white. That's your mix?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yes, okay, that's my mix. Also, oh my god, but
that's so crazy. You don't need a lot of like that.
That mix is kind of.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Niche, No, truly so niche, but crazy because you're so
way passing.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
And I was saying to Joe, I was like, it's.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Truly, you just never know what you're gonna get with
mixed kids, Like you just don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It's so true, and I kind of love it because
growing up, people would always assume I just got engaged
to an Indian. Especially now I'm older, you know, in
my thirties, they're like, oh, you must have gotten married
to a mister Gupta and that you've taken on their
last name.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, but I.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Think it's a good example why, you know, you just
can't judge a book by its cover. People are always
surprised to see how the gene pool worked out for me.
But then you see me next to my sister. We
look people think we're twins. The only difference is she's
got like your color skin and year round, doesn't have
to even see the sun. She's just got this perfect,
perfect glowing, like all year round tan. But yeah, she
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also has like the white jeans. So I don't know,
I think we I think are mom was just such
a bad ass. She passed along all her jeans and
we only got a little bit of the Indian.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Mom's jeans are strong. She said, my daughters are gonna
look like me. I don't care how tam my husband
is exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
And if you knew my mom, that's like the epitome
of her personality too, so it actually fits.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
How I've never been to India, You've never been the India,
But it's a place I want to go. What part
were you?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Just?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
What part? Where were you?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
So we did the Golden Triangle, so we did Jaipur,
we did the taj Mahal and Deli and then into
the city for a couple of days. And that's kind
of like what they recommend doing if you're going to
be all the way over in India because it is
quite far to get and then between those three places,
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it's like a four hour car ride and there's not
a lot of like public transportation, so it really is
worth seeing all those places when you're already over there.
But it was amazing. It was the food was unbelievable.
That's like my favorite part when I travel is trying
all the And they warned us, they're like, you're gonna
get Deli belly, like you know. We booked through a
travel agency that my family in India. They live there
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and they run a travel agency. So I'm like, Okay,
they're going to take us to all the great places
and they had all these really gentrified restaurants on the list,
and my sister and I are like, no, take us
on a tuk tuk to the middle of the town
where everybody's getting like I want a translator and I
want to get some like raw curry puffs or something,
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and it was incredible. They took us to this market
and the food was it was the best food I
had was just at like a random street vendor.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
How was it your first time there?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
It was since I was a little. My dad, so
my dad's side, the family's from India, but when he
was growing up, he was actually born in Kenya. So
even though.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
So my Indian family like is from New Delhi, but
then my grandparents were born in Kenya.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So did they flee because of the coup because that's
that's like the story that I hear is my dad
says his parents there was like an oppressive group that
came through India around our grandparents' time, and that's it
was like kind of unsafe for them, so they went
and started a business. I guess it was a really
common thing to go to Kenya from India.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
So yeah, there's like a huge like seek population in Kenya. Yeah,
which I also random, but probably because of that exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
So even though yeah, I do have Indian ties, a
lot of my family did migrade from India, so I
didn't really go back as a child to like visit
family there per se. But I've been to Africa to
visit my Indian side the family, and that's like my
also favorite place on Earth.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, I really want to go there. I've never visited
on my grandparents too.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
My grandparents lived there, they have my uncle there, and
then they moved to England, which is where a lot
of Indian fan.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
And that's where my dad's living now. But they all
doing the same thing. Yeah, they're talking to the same people.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Yeah, it's this tight knit community. All right, we should
get back to the show.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Let's go. Let's get to the show. But do you
go to London? Have you been to Dashume?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I love that, I love Dashume. Yeah, I've been to London.
I went to school in London for high school, so
I said a lot of hangover there. I was actually
born there originally, so I go back a lot. And
this week I actually have three of my friends from
England that are coming to visit me in LA and
they've never been here. So I'm going to do like
the grand tour. Exciting.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Oh that's so funny. You can do a little watch
party with them if they're.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
In Oh yeah, exactly. They have no idea what they're
in store for. I don't think they get it over there,
so there's gonna be a lot of catching them up.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Okay, So you so you you end up going on
Paradise where you hesitant all about going where you just
kind of like all in, like, yeah, I'll take another
shot at this.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah. I think I was all in. Obviously, there are
things that you the unknown can be scary, and I
think for me, the only hesitancy was are there going
to be any genuine quality men there that I could
see myself actually binding romance with? And if not, then no,
(08:18):
I don't want to go do that. That sounds like
my version of hell, to be honest, like stuck with
nothing around you, in no way to escape, and all
you have to do is talk to guys you're not
interested in. No, I go to a bar on a
Friday night if I wanted to do that. So I
wanted to know who's going to be there. But obviously
that's like part of the lore, and they keep that
a surprise. And once I realized, you know, you're going
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to go in blind and I just have to fully hope,
And I think I did I just went in with
really high expectations and I was optimistic that there would
be someone for me there. So once I got my
head wrapped around that, and I was kind of approaching
it from that mindset, it was like, what do I
have to lose, Like, go have fun on the beach,
make some friend, and hopefully make out with some guys
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and find romance. Best case scenario.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah, I agree, I mean I wouldn't make out with guys,
but like I agree with everything else.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
But everything else.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, were you? Were there any guys like on your list?
Did you have a list of guys that you were
potentially interested in?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yes, I've watched the Bachelor franchise, but not all of it,
so I kind of wanted to keep it that way.
They have recommended going back and watching things, but as
somebody who's been on the show, I know that what
you are shown isn't always what the person is like
on the inside, and so I didn't want to really
(09:41):
go in with preconceived notions and expectations of these men.
Dale Moss and Pilot Pete. Pilot Pete since has a girlfriend,
and yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
So Dale was on your list? Yeah, that was a
long shot.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I mean I don't think anyone really expected to see
him down there, but he is. He's in paradise. You
walk in, does he immediately catch your eye? Does someone
else catch your eye? What is your initial reaction?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, So when I came in the way they had
arranged it was there was this Birds of Paradise challenge
where all the guys dressed up in these crazy costumes
and feathers and then came out doing like mating calls
and dances. So the women were all sat outside waiting
for the men to come out one by one, and
I actually entered with just the group of women. So
at first that's all I knew who. I knew the
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women who were going to be there, but I didn't
know what guys were there.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
And then you kind of had like a fashion show
of men.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yes, as they were coming out like one by one,
that was my real time learning who was there for
the first time, which was really exciting and very fun
way to be brought into the whole experience. But yes,
so that's when the I saw Dale for the first time,
and I was surprised. I don't think. I don't think
when he walked out, I like registered, Oh, that's Dale.
He was on my list of people I'd be interested in.
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It was just this hot body with like a red
feathered dress on, and I was wearing red feather so
all the couple seemed to be matching that night, and
I was like, Oh, okay, is this like a cue
that this person somebody I should be like coupling up
with or like looking at. And then we did have
a really good conversation, like right away. We hit it
off immediately, and we had really good chemistry. So I
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did notice him. He was definitely like one of the
first people I would say I was excited to see there.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Okay, Okay, I mean it comes across that way as
if you were watching it, it seems like you guys
do have really good chemistry. It seems like you're both
interested in each other. You seem to like Sean, but
it seems like you are definitely more interested in dal Well.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
And I mean, your first impression of Sean was him
making it with April, so maybe you need a little
more time to get to know him.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
That was like the Actually that was the only redeeming
thing of Sean that night. I thought that was hilarious
that he did that. But we did have a conversation
right after, and everybody was drinking and having fun, and
I told Sean this our first conversation. He was just
kind of like tipsy and being silly, and like, I
don't think he remembers a lot of it. And from
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that conversation, yeah, I was like a little bit, you know,
skeptical of him. So and on top of that, like
I would say, Dale is just physically my type. Like
I've dated tons of different looking people, but if I
had to say I have a type, it would be
like tall, dark, handsome, So he fits that. Bill Sean
is definitely a complete replica of my ex boyfriend, which
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also scared me. And that's something I conveyed to Sean
early on, and like I was pretty open about that.
So that was also why I think I was a
little bit like trepidacious with the Shawn encounter at first.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
So why choose Sean on a date over Dale?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
So that morning I woke up and I was really torn.
I had no idea who I was going to choose
because there was a Row ceremony that evening, so it
wasn't just take somebody on a first date. It was
also now there's a rose ceremony.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Okay, yeah, let me just break this now real quick.
So you get in at night during a challenge where
everyone's dressed like a bird, and then and being.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Silly and goofy and like we're all lighthearted. The guys
and the girls were both like locked down before that
in a thunderstorm, so we were drinking in the hotel rooms.
It was just like a very lighthearted night, and everybody
was kind of like their alter ego. So I almost
came in and met everybody's crazy night out alter ego.
Woke up the next morning and then had to decide
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who was going on.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
A date with and then that night is a row ceremony, yes, okay, yes,
And when you're on.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
A date, you're gone all day. So it's like I
would literally be going into a row ceremony hoping that
whoever I took on the date is going to give
me a rose. And in my head, Sean was way
more open and had a rose to give, and the
way I viewed it was Dale was much less likely
to give me a rose, saying that he's been with
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Kat for like ten days at this point, and in
my head, like, I don't think anybody who's a good
person would ditch somebody for ten days over somebody who
walked in for one day, so that is kind of
like the right thing for him to do. So that
was the first thing that kind of made my decision
to take Sean on the date, and then the second
one was the two conversations I had that morning. I
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pulled Dale and Sean separately and talked to them for
a little bit before giving out that day card, and
both conversations were great. In Dale's conversation, something that stood
out to me was he had expressed his interest in
going on the date with me, but encouraged me that
if I don't pick him, it's not going to change
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us getting to know each other. It's not going to
stop him from wanting to get to know me and
continue like building something. So it kind of seemed like
a no brainer decision. I can keep getting to know
someone who I'm physically attracted to but don't know enough
about his personality, and stick around to guarantee that I
can get to know everybody a lot more.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I mean, yeah, no brainer, Like.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yeah, And the reality is, like the show is about
finding love, but there is a little strategy involved to
get to the point.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Of the opportunity of exactly. Yeah, because to be able
to have that time and being the last one out
so I could lie and be like I was just
I wanted to get to know Sean Moore. That was
part of it, one hundred percent. I wanted to get
to know either of those guys that I took on
the date. I was interested in getting to know more
at that point. But why wouldn't I pick the person
who's going to give me a good shot at sticking
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around that night?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Yeah, the last thing you want to do is go
on the date with Dale. Maybe the connection is not
really there. You He ends up giving his rose to Cat,
as you probably expected he would, even if the date
went great exact, then you're out of there twenty four
hours in without getting to now explore Sean.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Right, explore Sean. Do you think if you had zero
interest in Sean you would have still made that decision?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
No? Okay, no, because it was like I was very
split that morning waking up, and I really did consider
giving it to Dale because of you know what I said, Like,
there's also no point in being there if you don't
think that you have a connection with someone. So if
I didn't see anything coming out of a relationship with
Sean and that leading somewhere. Then No, I definitely would
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have just picked Dale and been like, sh who cares.
I don't care if I go home and don't get
the rose because I don't want to be here interested
in any of the other guys.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
How did the day go a Sean?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
It was good. It was really intense, which is another
reason I'm glad I picked him. In retrospect, they had
us explore the five senses through like taste, touch, sound,
and we had these little cards that prompted each stage,
and they were very intimate. Just all of them were like,
you know, rub this honey here and get the ice
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cube in a place that you're going to get goosebumps.
So I couldn't imagine. That's not what I imagine for
any first date, but for it to be with Sean,
who I did feel really comfortable with and we did
have like the friend foundation there. I was much more
comfortable in that situation than had I picked Dale or
anybody else for that matter, just basically sitting down and
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then just like making out and rubbing honey and licking
chocolate off each other's body parts.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
So, after your date with Sean, is the romantic connection
growing or are you still like, Ah, I like this
guy more of a friend. Want to see what happens
with Dale.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
After the date, I was definitely felt more interested in
Sean than I was at first, because it was so
easy and natural, and I just felt very comfortable around him.
We had so much in common. We really connected on
like a deep family level, and we opened up about
our past and our upbringings and things we're looking for
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in our future and our future partners, and a lot
of those things aligned. So that made me feel like
I made the right decision because I picked somebody who
at the core is looking for the same things that
I essentially am over just looks, which in the past
I have gone from, you know, just the good looking guy,
and it lets you down because That's not what I'm
looking for. At the end of the day, I need,
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like so much more than just that.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
As a viewer, it seems like there is this spark
and this mutual interest between you and Dale, but then
moving into this latest episode, we don't really see it
go any further what happened there.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
So it was really I feel like that it was
just kind of it was always going to be that way,
just because the timing of when I came in that
after that really ceremony that was when it was announced
Jesse announced that it's no longer a dating show. It's
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now going to be a competition show, and the couple
that wins is going to be the couple that gets
through these tests and relationship challenges and basically like the
best couple together at this point. So in my head,
I'm like one that completely gets rid of the whole
like dating around part of the show, which I was
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deprived of because of the time I came in, Like
I didn't get that opportunity to do that.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
So you're basically you just you just walked onto a
challenge show basically.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And I picked my partner, and at this point, like
it would be it's lucrative for all of us and
couples to spend our time and focus on getting to
know the person we're with, especially me because I just
got there and everybody else's ten days advantage knowing these people,
and like I come in, none of the guys, like
at first, hardly any of the guys even came up
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and like introduce themselves to me, which I thought was like,
even that was strange, and I get it. It's just
like a bizarre situation because people are in couples and
whatnot and they don't want to give anybody like nerves
or fear that they're interested in another person who walks in.
But at the same time, it was yeah, very like
intimidating to me going into now a competition and I
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feel like I don't hardly know any of these people.
They're not really trying to talk to me or make
a connection because they have their established connections. And yeah,
I've also have been told like it's gonna be kind
of taboo to I would have continued to pursue Dale
and like get to know him more. And I think,
to answer your question in short, because of the way
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the show turned into a competition at that point, I
don't think it was ever going to progress because both
Dale and I at that were kind of everybody going
to their partners.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, you're on a unfortunately a just a a different
show because I would say, like majority of past seasons,
like even at this point in the show, no one's
really locked lockdown exactly. There was more and even being
just like the location of Mexico and on the beach,
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it just had more of like an openness to mingle
and just like hang out as a group. Don't you think.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
That's exactly how I felt? And I was really you know,
going back to I was kind of all in when
I got the call to come to Paradise. I was
really excited at that and to get to know everyone.
Some of the best the best thing that came from
my season on Grants was all the women and like
those relationships that I made, and that's that's just it's
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meant so much to me and like will be friends forever.
So in my head, I'm like, I'm going to meet
some really incredible people that I share this cool experience with.
And I did, and I don't take that back, but
it was a very different experience than I thought it
would be, like going on a dationally show versus a
dating show. And I do think that had I come
in day one or day two like earlier days, I
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do think that I, like Dayla and I probably would
have ended up being coupled up. I think we did
have a lot more in common than him and Kat
did in some ways.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Interesting, do you so when when Jesse comes down and
essentially switches the structure of the show. Are you and
Sean now more focused on like, all right, let's let's
try to win a post to like let's get to
know each other and see if we want a date
in the real world.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I think Sean and I were in a really good
position because we were getting to know each other, and
this was just like a way to expedite that, right
because it was like we had to get to know
each other even quicker now, and we had to do
like play catch up on the time that we didn't
have together that other people did. And there also was
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kind of like a lightness to it, like we didn't
feel pressure at all because everybody else had ten days
to like know their couple. We just met each other,
so we're not really expected to know each other to
the same degree and level as everybody else. But because
we had so much in common and like our core
values were like very similar, I think we both felt
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pretty good that we knew enough about each other to
be able to, like, you know, make educated guesses on
certain things, leading into some of the challenges where you
know you had to know your partner. I think if
you know enough about someone, you can kind of infer or,
like guess what their answer would be to some things.
So I think we felt pretty strong to say. We
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had really short amount of time together, and I don't
think we were thinking of the money, because truly, neither
of us thought that we were going to be the
strongest couple at the end, Like that was such a
you know, one in a million kind of thing for
it to be us, So we weren't expecting that. We
just it was fun. It made getting to know each
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other even more fun because it had kind of like
a reason to have those conversations, and it was a
super organic way of you know, asking how many kids
do you want? That's just not something you would bring
up out of the blue randomly, but when you're playing
these games and you need to know certain things about someone, Yeah,
it just really expedited that whole honeymoon getting to know
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each other.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
VASE was as a group, was there like a majority
of people like, oh, I think I think Andrew and
Alex are the strongest couple right now, Like, was there
any couple that was kind of like fared amongst the
others for the competition?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yes, Jess and Spencer were always the strongest couple. I
think for everyone, just because they coupled up so early,
they were always connected by the hip, and so I
would say those two were the strongest couple.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
That makes sense.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
We see that Jeremy and Bailey win the challenge, and
the advantage is that they get to send a couple
home at the Rose ceremony. Were you surprised that they
chose Gary and Leslie and why do you think they
made that choice?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
No, I wasn't surprised. So that was such a tough
Rose ceremony because we knew it was going to be
a Golden going home, or at least I think we
all assumed it was. At that point. A lot of
the Goldens who were there and who had been coupled
up had been very vocal about the fact that it's
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platonic relationships. They've had their great love or you know,
they like this guy as a friend, but now they're
just kind of there for the experience, and they're really
open about that. So I think all of the younger
generation couples were thinking based on this being paradise and
looking for a connection and love. I would assume we're
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going to prioritize like the real couples that are trying
for that and sends a Golden's home. And also all
of the Goldens were so they kind of knew that
they should be going home, like you know, they're saying like,
oh yeah, like we aren't romantic or you guys are
going to have a great time, but like we're really
enjoying our time just while we're here. So I expected
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a Golden to go home. I didn't know it was
going to be Gary and Leslie. But after Gary's crazy
bet zoo he did.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Why do you think he did that?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I think Gary gets caught up in like the performance
and some of the showmanship, and I think he was
having fun and he was, you know, doing a little
bit of like a bit, and it probably wasn't even
I don't even know if it registered through his head
the consequences of making that bet. And I don't know
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if he did the math in his head. You could
literally just throw a chep. You could just guess the
wrong answer and still be safe. So I don't know
why he did it, but you know, if you're going
to be irresponsible, you're making that decision not just for
you but for your couple now, because that's how we're
playing this game, and unfortunately you made like a really
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risky move and it didn't pay off. And I think
that's ultimately why it was Gary who got sent home
that way.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, exactly what I said.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Exactly what you said.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
I think that it seems like genius is I think
that it seems like Gary and Leslie as much as
they were exploring a romantic connection. I think, you know,
Gary's mistake definitely put them in jeopardy, and then on
top of that, it did seem like Faith and Kim
had a stronger romantic connection. So if you plays are
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kind of making these decisions based off that, it would
make sense that they would go with Leslie and Gary exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
And I mean that was Bailey's ultimately decision to make,
so I know that was probably really hard for her,
and I don't think it was an easy decision. I'm
not sure if Jeremy had anything to say about it,
or if he encouraged her one way or the other,
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But that was not easy to send any of the
Goldens home. I can't imagine, especially for somebody who's such
a sweetheart like Bailey has such a sweet and a
sense to her, and she really does care about people.
So that was really hard. That was a really hard
road ceremony.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, with what has been aired of the show thus far,
is there anything that has shocked you from what you're
seeing within.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Like the couples, Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Anything stand out within the Jeremy and Bailey stuff.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
You want to just say it because we're talking about Bailey.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
So that surprised me. So here's what happened. The boys
had a really good strong group and camaraderie, and they
were going back to their rooms and like before Row
ceremonies and cocktail parties and talking and so you know,
the Jeremy thing. I'm sure he brought up to the
guys and they were all aware of it. So when
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I did hear about the Susi thing through the telephone,
I couldn't believe that it had gone ten days without
anybody bringing it up. I think that you are just
as guilty if you know something and you stay quiet,
and you choose to stay quiet, But I think you're
just as complicit and like the guilty. I think what's
hard is I was surprised. I didn't realize how many
(29:55):
times Jeremy like doubled down and said that like I
don't want to win with Bailey. I want to call
Susie back, where Susie like he was a broken record,
and he said it so many times now I thought
it when I heard it, I thought it was just
one passing phone call to call her to come back,
which was like not a big deal at all, Like
I didn't think Bailey would even care to hear that.
But now knowing how involved it is and how much
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he said it, I think that's probably what pushed Brian,
because he's hearing it in the guy's room like every night,
and I'm sure Jeremy brought it up more than once,
which is probably why he felt like so compelled to
say something like what else have you been hiding in
line to me? Like I've I felt really bad for her,
and I felt bad that I wasn't there because had
I been there, like there was no way that would
(30:39):
have got to day ten without her knowing that as my.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Girlfriend playing Devil's advocate here a little bit just for fun.
Is there any bit of grace for Jeremy talking about
this amongst the guys in his room, where it's more
like he's venting, venting, and not really one hundred meaning it.
(31:08):
Like I like the him calling Susie. That's like, you know,
that's just like, well you did that, Yeah, that you happened.
But is there any bit of that or is it
just kind of like.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
I think as a girl, it gets complicated when everyone
else knows.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
It's not like he was in a.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Private setting venting to a friend and like it got
it got out and he was like, look, I was
truly just burning off some steam. Like I think it's
like you're micd up, you're on camera. It's getting around
the beach, and for really to be the last to know,
like the impact is just going to be so much
more of a gut punch.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I don't think that's a good excuse because at that point,
as a friend, you could just feel like, hey, you're
my friend, but I'm going to do the right thing
and this is the right thing and you know that.
Let's I'll help you out with it. We can both
do like whatever. But staying quiet I just don't think's fair.
And I think the other part that's hard. Yeah, everybody knowing,
but now he's saying this and it's like ten twelve
(32:08):
days later, like however many days into it, I think
as a woman, I would be feeling to have uncertainties
I think are it's normal. But then after a certain
amount of days and when you're being told something else,
and then behind your back you're being questioned like if
you're compatible, or if he likes you, or if he
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wants whatever, I think that part would be hard for me.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah, you know who.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
I would have loved to see Zoe.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Throw her back in there.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Oh yeah, Zoey.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Zoe would not have let this get so far. Zoe
would have been all over it.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Zoe would have been all over it. But that's like,
that's what I respect about her. And like, also, we're
all adults. Like, we're all adults. It's just not that deep.
I don't I also don't understand when we're on a
show with cameras, mics, this is all gonna come out,
you guys know, like it's all gonna come out. So
why wouldn't you just be honest about the things you're
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saying and doing and get ahead of it and own
it like it. That's the to me, a no brainer
and win win for everyone involved.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Yeah, anything else that surprised you before we wrap up?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I was surprised. I had no idea idea about Jill,
like being upset the night that she left, the night
I came in, like, I had no idea until she
came up and gave me a goodbye saying she was
like leaving, that she was even thinking about going, So
that was a surprise. I didn't know Kat was mad
at Dale the night that we started talking. I had
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no idea there was that drama going on. I had
no idea Jonathan was pursuing Kat so much behind closed
doors that was like so sneaky, And did not know
that was happening between any of them and.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
We else, I know, did any of the Parisa and
Brian Steff surprise you.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
No, Well, yeah, and your roommates with Prisa, So would
makes sense? That would that makes sense?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah? I just Brian and Prisa are both such strong,
like unique personalities, and you know, sometimes they say opposites attract,
and I think they were kind of polarizing forces. But
it worked for them, and because of that, there was
just a lot of theatrics that came with the territory
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and it was I love I love being around them
and watching them, like I think they're hilarious.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Nice. Well, thank you so much. For coming on the
podcast and taking the time. I'm sure this is the last,
well it might be the last time you're on this podcast,
but we're going to see more of you the rest
of the season.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Thank you, thank you so much for having me. This
was fun and I can't believe how much of a weird,
insanely similar background you have.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
I know that was actually the coolest part of this
podcast from yes, because I can't say I've ever met
someone with the same ethic background as me.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Me either, And you get it now, Like I feel
like I'm with a kindred spirit who, like I don't
even have to speak. You just understand. You understand, I
get it.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
I get it girl.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
You guys are best friends. Okay. And to all our listeners,
especially the ones that are half Indian, half white, thank
you so much. Thank you so much for tuning in
the Battery Happy Hour. Make sure you download and subscribe
to the podcast.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah, keep tuning in to Bachelor in Paradise every single
week and we will have new and exclusive interviews for
you as well. Thanks for listening. Bye.
Hey, well, welcome back to bet Your Happy Hour. I'm
Joe and I'm Serena, and we are here today with Alicia.
Welcome to Betterer Happy Hour at your first time on
the podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yes, thank you so much for having me. I'm excited
to be here.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
We're excited to have you.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
I think we should start all the way back on
Grant Season, because we actually talked about you quite a
bit when we recapped Grant Season because you were such
a big part of episode.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
One and then poof, you're gone.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah. Yeah, that is a pretty good recount of how
things went. I obviously, you guys know, like I did
have a first kiss with him, We did share a
really good conversation, and those continued to happen while I
was on the show. So I was just as equally
shocked the night that he sent me home the previous
(00:50):
conversation we had leading into that really ceremony. He also
kind of gave me reassurance that we had a really
good connection and he was excited to see me again.
I gave him some photos of my family and he said,
I'll give these back to you when I see you again.
So in my head, I'm like, okay, that's him kind
of giving me a wink, like you're getting through this
(01:10):
row ceremony without actually doing it. So yeah, I was.
I was surprised, but I guess you went how it
goes on The.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Bachelor two or week three, Week two?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Right? Two?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
That's so shocking.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah, like it's going like you share a kiss, everything's
going well, your conversations are are going well, and then
he takes photos.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
And you're actually actually see you later.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Did you ever did you ever speak with Grant again?
Do you have any idea why he did end up
sending you home?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
No, I don't know exactly why he sent me home.
My guest would be like physically, I'm not his type,
Like he probably doesn't like blondes and blue eyes, which
is fair enough. We all have a type. I have
spoken with him after I went to celebrate him and
ju Leanna at their engagement party post filming, so I
saw him there and his mom and family, and we're
all on good pages. It's just very friendly vibes between us. Two.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Nice because you left the Bachelors so early.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Were you surprised when you got the call at Paradise?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah? I was so surprised. I was surprised because I
left early and I had never watched Paradise before, so
I really had no idea what to expect. And then,
you know, going into summer, I had travel planned, so
I got the call. I was actually in India with
my little sister, so I kind of scrambled to get
things together and get back in time to make it
(02:39):
for Paradise. But I was so excited to be thought of,
because yeah, I didn't know if I would be getting
the nod or the look at, you know, from being
on the show for so such a short amount of time.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah, you're half Indian, half white. That's your mix?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yes, okay, that's my mix. Also, oh my god, but
that's so crazy. You don't need a lot of like that.
That mix is kind of.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Niche, No, truly so niche, but crazy because you're so
way passing.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
And I was saying to Joe, I was like, it's.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Truly, you just never know what you're gonna get with
mixed kids, Like you just don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
It's so true, and I kind of love it because
growing up, people would always assume I just got engaged
to an Indian. Especially now I'm older, you know, in
my thirties, they're like, oh, you must have gotten married
to a mister Gupta and that you've taken on their
last name.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, but I.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Think it's a good example why, you know, you just
can't judge a book by its cover. People are always
surprised to see how the gene pool worked out for me.
But then you see me next to my sister. We
look people think we're twins. The only difference is she's
got like your color skin and year round, doesn't have
to even see the sun. She's just got this perfect,
perfect glowing, like all year round tan. But yeah, she
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also has like the white jeans. So I don't know,
I think we I think are mom was just such
a bad ass. She passed along all her jeans and
we only got a little bit of the Indian.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Mom's jeans are strong. She said, my daughters are gonna
look like me. I don't care how tam my husband
is exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
And if you knew my mom, that's like the epitome
of her personality too, so it actually fits.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
That's hilarious.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
How I've never been to India, You've never been the India,
But it's a place I want to go. What part
were you?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Just?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
What part? Where were you?
Speaker 2 (04:29):
So we did the Golden Triangle, so we did Jaipur,
we did the taj Mahal and Deli and then into
the city for a couple of days. And that's kind
of like what they recommend doing if you're going to
be all the way over in India because it is
quite far to get and then between those three places,
(04:52):
it's like a four hour car ride and there's not
a lot of like public transportation, so it really is
worth seeing all those places when you're already over there.
But it was amazing. It was the food was unbelievable.
That's like my favorite part when I travel is trying
all the And they warned us, they're like, you're gonna
get Deli belly, like you know. We booked through a
travel agency that my family in India. They live there
(05:15):
and they run a travel agency. So I'm like, Okay,
they're going to take us to all the great places
and they had all these really gentrified restaurants on the list,
and my sister and I are like, no, take us
on a tuk tuk to the middle of the town
where everybody's getting like I want a translator and I
want to get some like raw curry puffs or something,
(05:36):
and it was incredible. They took us to this market
and the food was it was the best food I
had was just at like a random street vendor.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
How was it your first time there?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
It was since I was a little. My dad, so
my dad's side, the family's from India, but when he
was growing up, he was actually born in Kenya. So
even though.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
So my Indian family like is from New Delhi, but
then my grandparents were born in Kenya.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
So did they flee because of the coup because that's
that's like the story that I hear is my dad
says his parents there was like an oppressive group that
came through India around our grandparents' time, and that's it
was like kind of unsafe for them, so they went
and started a business. I guess it was a really
common thing to go to Kenya from India.
Speaker 4 (06:23):
So yeah, there's like a huge like seek population in Kenya. Yeah,
which I also random, but probably because of that exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
So even though yeah, I do have Indian ties, a
lot of my family did migrade from India, so I
didn't really go back as a child to like visit
family there per se. But I've been to Africa to
visit my Indian side the family, and that's like my
also favorite place on Earth.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Yeah, I really want to go there. I've never visited
on my grandparents too.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
My grandparents lived there, they have my uncle there, and
then they moved to England, which is where a lot
of Indian fan.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
And that's where my dad's living now. But they all
doing the same thing. Yeah, they're talking to the same people.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Yeah, it's this tight knit community. All right, we should
get back to the show.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Let's go. Let's get to the show. But do you
go to London? Have you been to Dashume?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I love that, I love Dashume. Yeah, I've been to London.
I went to school in London for high school, so
I said a lot of hangover there. I was actually
born there originally, so I go back a lot. And
this week I actually have three of my friends from
England that are coming to visit me in LA and
they've never been here. So I'm going to do like
the grand tour. Exciting.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Oh that's so funny. You can do a little watch
party with them if they're.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
In Oh yeah, exactly. They have no idea what they're
in store for. I don't think they get it over there,
so there's gonna be a lot of catching them up.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Okay, So you so you you end up going on
Paradise where you hesitant all about going where you just
kind of like all in, like, yeah, I'll take another
shot at this.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Yeah. I think I was all in. Obviously, there are
things that you the unknown can be scary, and I
think for me, the only hesitancy was are there going
to be any genuine quality men there that I could
see myself actually binding romance with? And if not, then no,
(08:18):
I don't want to go do that. That sounds like
my version of hell, to be honest, like stuck with
nothing around you, in no way to escape, and all
you have to do is talk to guys you're not
interested in. No, I go to a bar on a
Friday night if I wanted to do that. So I
wanted to know who's going to be there. But obviously
that's like part of the lore, and they keep that
a surprise. And once I realized, you know, you're going
(08:40):
to go in blind and I just have to fully hope,
And I think I did I just went in with
really high expectations and I was optimistic that there would
be someone for me there. So once I got my
head wrapped around that, and I was kind of approaching
it from that mindset, it was like, what do I
have to lose, Like, go have fun on the beach,
make some friend, and hopefully make out with some guys
(09:02):
and find romance. Best case scenario.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Yeah, I agree, I mean I wouldn't make out with guys,
but like I agree with everything else.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
But everything else.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah, were you? Were there any guys like on your list?
Did you have a list of guys that you were
potentially interested in?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yes, I've watched the Bachelor franchise, but not all of it,
so I kind of wanted to keep it that way.
They have recommended going back and watching things, but as
somebody who's been on the show, I know that what
you are shown isn't always what the person is like
on the inside, and so I didn't want to really
(09:41):
go in with preconceived notions and expectations of these men.
Dale Moss and Pilot Pete. Pilot Pete since has a girlfriend,
and yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
So Dale was on your list? Yeah, that was a
long shot.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
I mean I don't think anyone really expected to see
him down there, but he is. He's in paradise. You
walk in, does he immediately catch your eye? Does someone
else catch your eye? What is your initial reaction?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, So when I came in the way they had
arranged it was there was this Birds of Paradise challenge
where all the guys dressed up in these crazy costumes
and feathers and then came out doing like mating calls
and dances. So the women were all sat outside waiting
for the men to come out one by one, and
I actually entered with just the group of women. So
at first that's all I knew who. I knew the
(10:33):
women who were going to be there, but I didn't
know what guys were there.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
And then you kind of had like a fashion show
of men.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yes, as they were coming out like one by one,
that was my real time learning who was there for
the first time, which was really exciting and very fun
way to be brought into the whole experience. But yes,
so that's when the I saw Dale for the first time,
and I was surprised. I don't think. I don't think
when he walked out, I like registered, Oh, that's Dale.
He was on my list of people I'd be interested in.
(11:02):
It was just this hot body with like a red
feathered dress on, and I was wearing red feather so
all the couple seemed to be matching that night, and
I was like, Oh, okay, is this like a cue
that this person somebody I should be like coupling up
with or like looking at. And then we did have
a really good conversation, like right away. We hit it
off immediately, and we had really good chemistry. So I
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did notice him. He was definitely like one of the
first people I would say I was excited to see there.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Okay, Okay, I mean it comes across that way as
if you were watching it, it seems like you guys
do have really good chemistry. It seems like you're both
interested in each other. You seem to like Sean, but
it seems like you are definitely more interested in dal Well.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
And I mean, your first impression of Sean was him
making it with April, so maybe you need a little
more time to get to know him.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
That was like the Actually that was the only redeeming
thing of Sean that night. I thought that was hilarious
that he did that. But we did have a conversation
right after, and everybody was drinking and having fun, and
I told Sean this our first conversation. He was just
kind of like tipsy and being silly, and like, I
don't think he remembers a lot of it. And from
(12:14):
that conversation, yeah, I was like a little bit, you know,
skeptical of him. So and on top of that, like
I would say, Dale is just physically my type. Like
I've dated tons of different looking people, but if I
had to say I have a type, it would be
like tall, dark, handsome, So he fits that. Bill Sean
is definitely a complete replica of my ex boyfriend, which
(12:37):
also scared me. And that's something I conveyed to Sean
early on, and like I was pretty open about that.
So that was also why I think I was a
little bit like trepidacious with the Shawn encounter at first.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
So why choose Sean on a date over Dale?
Speaker 2 (12:56):
So that morning I woke up and I was really torn.
I had no idea who I was going to choose
because there was a Row ceremony that evening, so it
wasn't just take somebody on a first date. It was
also now there's a rose ceremony.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Okay, yeah, let me just break this now real quick.
So you get in at night during a challenge where
everyone's dressed like a bird, and then and being.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Silly and goofy and like we're all lighthearted. The guys
and the girls were both like locked down before that
in a thunderstorm, so we were drinking in the hotel rooms.
It was just like a very lighthearted night, and everybody
was kind of like their alter ego. So I almost
came in and met everybody's crazy night out alter ego.
Woke up the next morning and then had to decide
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who was going on.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
A date with and then that night is a row ceremony, yes, okay, yes,
And when you're on.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
A date, you're gone all day. So it's like I
would literally be going into a row ceremony hoping that
whoever I took on the date is going to give
me a rose. And in my head, Sean was way
more open and had a rose to give, and the
way I viewed it was Dale was much less likely
to give me a rose, saying that he's been with
(14:15):
Kat for like ten days at this point, and in
my head, like, I don't think anybody who's a good
person would ditch somebody for ten days over somebody who
walked in for one day, so that is kind of
like the right thing for him to do. So that
was the first thing that kind of made my decision
to take Sean on the date, and then the second
one was the two conversations I had that morning. I
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pulled Dale and Sean separately and talked to them for
a little bit before giving out that day card, and
both conversations were great. In Dale's conversation, something that stood
out to me was he had expressed his interest in
going on the date with me, but encouraged me that
if I don't pick him, it's not going to change
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us getting to know each other. It's not going to
stop him from wanting to get to know me and
continue like building something. So it kind of seemed like
a no brainer decision. I can keep getting to know
someone who I'm physically attracted to but don't know enough
about his personality, and stick around to guarantee that I
can get to know everybody a lot more.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
I mean, yeah, no brainer, Like.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yeah, And the reality is, like the show is about
finding love, but there is a little strategy involved to
get to the point.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Of the opportunity of exactly. Yeah, because to be able
to have that time and being the last one out
so I could lie and be like I was just
I wanted to get to know Sean Moore. That was
part of it, one hundred percent. I wanted to get
to know either of those guys that I took on
the date. I was interested in getting to know more
at that point. But why wouldn't I pick the person
who's going to give me a good shot at sticking
(15:49):
around that night?
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Yeah, the last thing you want to do is go
on the date with Dale. Maybe the connection is not
really there. You He ends up giving his rose to Cat,
as you probably expected he would, even if the date
went great exact, then you're out of there twenty four
hours in without getting to now explore Sean.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Right, explore Sean. Do you think if you had zero
interest in Sean you would have still made that decision?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
No? Okay, no, because it was like I was very
split that morning waking up, and I really did consider
giving it to Dale because of you know what I said, Like,
there's also no point in being there if you don't
think that you have a connection with someone. So if
I didn't see anything coming out of a relationship with
Sean and that leading somewhere. Then No, I definitely would
(16:35):
have just picked Dale and been like, sh who cares.
I don't care if I go home and don't get
the rose because I don't want to be here interested
in any of the other guys.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
How did the day go a Sean?
Speaker 2 (16:45):
It was good. It was really intense, which is another
reason I'm glad I picked him. In retrospect, they had
us explore the five senses through like taste, touch, sound,
and we had these little cards that prompted each stage,
and they were very intimate. Just all of them were like,
you know, rub this honey here and get the ice
(17:09):
cube in a place that you're going to get goosebumps.
So I couldn't imagine. That's not what I imagine for
any first date, but for it to be with Sean,
who I did feel really comfortable with and we did
have like the friend foundation there. I was much more
comfortable in that situation than had I picked Dale or
anybody else for that matter, just basically sitting down and
(17:30):
then just like making out and rubbing honey and licking
chocolate off each other's body parts.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
So, after your date with Sean, is the romantic connection
growing or are you still like, Ah, I like this
guy more of a friend. Want to see what happens
with Dale.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
After the date, I was definitely felt more interested in
Sean than I was at first, because it was so
easy and natural, and I just felt very comfortable around him.
We had so much in common. We really connected on
like a deep family level, and we opened up about
our past and our upbringings and things we're looking for
(18:09):
in our future and our future partners, and a lot
of those things aligned. So that made me feel like
I made the right decision because I picked somebody who
at the core is looking for the same things that
I essentially am over just looks, which in the past
I have gone from, you know, just the good looking guy,
and it lets you down because That's not what I'm
looking for. At the end of the day, I need,
(18:31):
like so much more than just that.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
As a viewer, it seems like there is this spark
and this mutual interest between you and Dale, but then
moving into this latest episode, we don't really see it
go any further what happened there.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
So it was really I feel like that it was
just kind of it was always going to be that way,
just because the timing of when I came in that
after that really ceremony that was when it was announced
Jesse announced that it's no longer a dating show. It's
(19:11):
now going to be a competition show, and the couple
that wins is going to be the couple that gets
through these tests and relationship challenges and basically like the
best couple together at this point. So in my head,
I'm like one that completely gets rid of the whole
like dating around part of the show, which I was
(19:33):
deprived of because of the time I came in, Like
I didn't get that opportunity to do that.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
So you're basically you just you just walked onto a
challenge show basically.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
And I picked my partner, and at this point, like
it would be it's lucrative for all of us and
couples to spend our time and focus on getting to
know the person we're with, especially me because I just
got there and everybody else's ten days advantage knowing these people,
and like I come in, none of the guys, like
at first, hardly any of the guys even came up
(20:04):
and like introduce themselves to me, which I thought was like,
even that was strange, and I get it. It's just
like a bizarre situation because people are in couples and
whatnot and they don't want to give anybody like nerves
or fear that they're interested in another person who walks in.
But at the same time, it was yeah, very like
intimidating to me going into now a competition and I
(20:25):
feel like I don't hardly know any of these people.
They're not really trying to talk to me or make
a connection because they have their established connections. And yeah,
I've also have been told like it's gonna be kind
of taboo to I would have continued to pursue Dale
and like get to know him more. And I think,
to answer your question in short, because of the way
(20:46):
the show turned into a competition at that point, I
don't think it was ever going to progress because both
Dale and I at that were kind of everybody going
to their partners.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, you're on a unfortunately a just a a different
show because I would say, like majority of past seasons,
like even at this point in the show, no one's
really locked lockdown exactly. There was more and even being
just like the location of Mexico and on the beach,
(21:23):
it just had more of like an openness to mingle
and just like hang out as a group. Don't you think.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
That's exactly how I felt? And I was really you know,
going back to I was kind of all in when
I got the call to come to Paradise. I was
really excited at that and to get to know everyone.
Some of the best the best thing that came from
my season on Grants was all the women and like
those relationships that I made, and that's that's just it's
(21:57):
meant so much to me and like will be friends forever.
So in my head, I'm like, I'm going to meet
some really incredible people that I share this cool experience with.
And I did, and I don't take that back, but
it was a very different experience than I thought it
would be, like going on a dationally show versus a
dating show. And I do think that had I come
in day one or day two like earlier days, I
(22:22):
do think that I, like Dayla and I probably would
have ended up being coupled up. I think we did
have a lot more in common than him and Kat
did in some ways.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Interesting, do you so when when Jesse comes down and
essentially switches the structure of the show. Are you and
Sean now more focused on like, all right, let's let's
try to win a post to like let's get to
know each other and see if we want a date
in the real world.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I think Sean and I were in a really good
position because we were getting to know each other, and
this was just like a way to expedite that, right
because it was like we had to get to know
each other even quicker now, and we had to do
like play catch up on the time that we didn't
have together that other people did. And there also was
(23:12):
kind of like a lightness to it, like we didn't
feel pressure at all because everybody else had ten days
to like know their couple. We just met each other,
so we're not really expected to know each other to
the same degree and level as everybody else. But because
we had so much in common and like our core
values were like very similar, I think we both felt
(23:37):
pretty good that we knew enough about each other to
be able to, like, you know, make educated guesses on
certain things, leading into some of the challenges where you
know you had to know your partner. I think if
you know enough about someone, you can kind of infer or,
like guess what their answer would be to some things.
So I think we felt pretty strong to say. We
(23:59):
had really short amount of time together, and I don't
think we were thinking of the money, because truly, neither
of us thought that we were going to be the
strongest couple at the end, Like that was such a
you know, one in a million kind of thing for
it to be us, So we weren't expecting that. We
just it was fun. It made getting to know each
(24:21):
other even more fun because it had kind of like
a reason to have those conversations, and it was a
super organic way of you know, asking how many kids
do you want? That's just not something you would bring
up out of the blue randomly, but when you're playing
these games and you need to know certain things about someone, Yeah,
it just really expedited that whole honeymoon getting to know
(24:41):
each other.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
VASE was as a group, was there like a majority
of people like, oh, I think I think Andrew and
Alex are the strongest couple right now, Like, was there
any couple that was kind of like fared amongst the
others for the competition?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yes, Jess and Spencer were always the strongest couple. I
think for everyone, just because they coupled up so early,
they were always connected by the hip, and so I
would say those two were the strongest couple.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
That makes sense.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
We see that Jeremy and Bailey win the challenge, and
the advantage is that they get to send a couple
home at the Rose ceremony. Were you surprised that they
chose Gary and Leslie and why do you think they
made that choice?
Speaker 2 (25:36):
No, I wasn't surprised. So that was such a tough
Rose ceremony because we knew it was going to be
a Golden going home, or at least I think we
all assumed it was. At that point. A lot of
the Goldens who were there and who had been coupled
up had been very vocal about the fact that it's
(25:56):
platonic relationships. They've had their great love or you know,
they like this guy as a friend, but now they're
just kind of there for the experience, and they're really
open about that. So I think all of the younger
generation couples were thinking based on this being paradise and
looking for a connection and love. I would assume we're
(26:19):
going to prioritize like the real couples that are trying
for that and sends a Golden's home. And also all
of the Goldens were so they kind of knew that
they should be going home, like you know, they're saying like,
oh yeah, like we aren't romantic or you guys are
going to have a great time, but like we're really
enjoying our time just while we're here. So I expected
(26:40):
a Golden to go home. I didn't know it was
going to be Gary and Leslie. But after Gary's crazy
bet zoo he did.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Why do you think he did that?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I think Gary gets caught up in like the performance
and some of the showmanship, and I think he was
having fun and he was, you know, doing a little
bit of like a bit, and it probably wasn't even
I don't even know if it registered through his head
the consequences of making that bet. And I don't know
(27:11):
if he did the math in his head. You could
literally just throw a chep. You could just guess the
wrong answer and still be safe. So I don't know
why he did it, but you know, if you're going
to be irresponsible, you're making that decision not just for
you but for your couple now, because that's how we're
playing this game, and unfortunately you made like a really
(27:31):
risky move and it didn't pay off. And I think
that's ultimately why it was Gary who got sent home
that way.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, exactly what I said.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Exactly what you said.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
I think that it seems like genius is I think
that it seems like Gary and Leslie as much as
they were exploring a romantic connection. I think, you know,
Gary's mistake definitely put them in jeopardy, and then on
top of that, it did seem like Faith and Kim
had a stronger romantic connection. So if you plays are
(28:04):
kind of making these decisions based off that, it would
make sense that they would go with Leslie and Gary exactly.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
And I mean that was Bailey's ultimately decision to make,
so I know that was probably really hard for her,
and I don't think it was an easy decision. I'm
not sure if Jeremy had anything to say about it,
or if he encouraged her one way or the other,
(28:32):
But that was not easy to send any of the
Goldens home. I can't imagine, especially for somebody who's such
a sweetheart like Bailey has such a sweet and a
sense to her, and she really does care about people.
So that was really hard. That was a really hard
road ceremony.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Yeah, with what has been aired of the show thus far,
is there anything that has shocked you from what you're
seeing within.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Like the couples, Yeah, a lot.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Anything stand out within the Jeremy and Bailey stuff.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
You want to just say it because we're talking about Bailey.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
So that surprised me. So here's what happened. The boys
had a really good strong group and camaraderie, and they
were going back to their rooms and like before Row
ceremonies and cocktail parties and talking and so you know,
the Jeremy thing. I'm sure he brought up to the
guys and they were all aware of it. So when
(29:33):
I did hear about the Susi thing through the telephone,
I couldn't believe that it had gone ten days without
anybody bringing it up. I think that you are just
as guilty if you know something and you stay quiet,
and you choose to stay quiet, But I think you're
just as complicit and like the guilty. I think what's
hard is I was surprised. I didn't realize how many
(29:55):
times Jeremy like doubled down and said that like I
don't want to win with Bailey. I want to call
Susie back, where Susie like he was a broken record,
and he said it so many times now I thought
it when I heard it, I thought it was just
one passing phone call to call her to come back,
which was like not a big deal at all, Like
I didn't think Bailey would even care to hear that.
But now knowing how involved it is and how much
(30:18):
he said it, I think that's probably what pushed Brian,
because he's hearing it in the guy's room like every night,
and I'm sure Jeremy brought it up more than once,
which is probably why he felt like so compelled to
say something like what else have you been hiding in
line to me? Like I've I felt really bad for her,
and I felt bad that I wasn't there because had
I been there, like there was no way that would
(30:39):
have got to day ten without her knowing that as my.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Girlfriend playing Devil's advocate here a little bit just for fun.
Is there any bit of grace for Jeremy talking about
this amongst the guys in his room, where it's more
like he's venting, venting, and not really one hundred meaning it.
(31:08):
Like I like the him calling Susie. That's like, you know,
that's just like, well you did that, Yeah, that you happened.
But is there any bit of that or is it
just kind of like.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
I think as a girl, it gets complicated when everyone
else knows.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
It's not like he was in a.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Private setting venting to a friend and like it got
it got out and he was like, look, I was
truly just burning off some steam. Like I think it's
like you're micd up, you're on camera. It's getting around
the beach, and for really to be the last to know,
like the impact is just going to be so much
more of a gut punch.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I don't think that's a good excuse because at that point,
as a friend, you could just feel like, hey, you're
my friend, but I'm going to do the right thing
and this is the right thing and you know that.
Let's I'll help you out with it. We can both
do like whatever. But staying quiet I just don't think's fair.
And I think the other part that's hard. Yeah, everybody knowing,
but now he's saying this and it's like ten twelve
(32:08):
days later, like however many days into it, I think
as a woman, I would be feeling to have uncertainties
I think are it's normal. But then after a certain
amount of days and when you're being told something else,
and then behind your back you're being questioned like if
you're compatible, or if he likes you, or if he
(32:29):
wants whatever, I think that part would be hard for me.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah, you know who.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
I would have loved to see Zoe.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Throw her back in there.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Oh yeah, Zoey.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Zoe would not have let this get so far. Zoe
would have been all over it.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Zoe would have been all over it. But that's like,
that's what I respect about her. And like, also, we're
all adults. Like, we're all adults. It's just not that deep.
I don't I also don't understand when we're on a
show with cameras, mics, this is all gonna come out,
you guys know, like it's all gonna come out. So
why wouldn't you just be honest about the things you're
(33:08):
saying and doing and get ahead of it and own
it like it. That's the to me, a no brainer
and win win for everyone involved.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Yeah, anything else that surprised you before we wrap up?
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I was surprised. I had no idea idea about Jill,
like being upset the night that she left, the night
I came in, like, I had no idea until she
came up and gave me a goodbye saying she was
like leaving, that she was even thinking about going, So
that was a surprise. I didn't know Kat was mad
at Dale the night that we started talking. I had
(33:45):
no idea there was that drama going on. I had
no idea Jonathan was pursuing Kat so much behind closed
doors that was like so sneaky, And did not know
that was happening between any of them and.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
We else, I know, did any of the Parisa and
Brian Steff surprise you.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
No, Well, yeah, and your roommates with Prisa, So would
makes sense? That would that makes sense?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Yeah? I just Brian and Prisa are both such strong,
like unique personalities, and you know, sometimes they say opposites attract,
and I think they were kind of polarizing forces. But
it worked for them, and because of that, there was
just a lot of theatrics that came with the territory
(34:34):
and it was I love I love being around them
and watching them, like I think they're hilarious.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
Nice. Well, thank you so much. For coming on the
podcast and taking the time. I'm sure this is the last,
well it might be the last time you're on this podcast,
but we're going to see more of you the rest
of the season.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Thank you, thank you so much for having me. This
was fun and I can't believe how much of a weird,
insanely similar background you have.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
I know that was actually the coolest part of this
podcast from yes, because I can't say I've ever met
someone with the same ethic background as me.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Me either, And you get it now, Like I feel
like I'm with a kindred spirit who, like I don't
even have to speak. You just understand. You understand, I
get it.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
I get it girl.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
You guys are best friends. Okay. And to all our listeners,
especially the ones that are half Indian, half white, thank
you so much. Thank you so much for tuning in
the Battery Happy Hour. Make sure you download and subscribe
to the podcast.
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah, keep tuning in to Bachelor in Paradise every single
week and we will have new and exclusive interviews for
you as well. Thanks for listening. Bye.
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