July 30, 2025 • 30 mins
Today on “Golden Hour,” Kathy and Susan are back from vacation and are here to answer your questions! We kick things off with a chat about their cruise besties, who they’ll be seeing next summer. Then, we dive into our advice portion, starting with the question of the day: How did you handle arguing with a partner and realizing midway that you’re wrong? Next, we get into our fan questions. We’re discussing babysitting grandkids in a messy house and dating a yes man — is that a red flag? Plus, we do another Golden Spotlight where we talk all about empty nesting. Tune in now to hear all this and more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome back everybody to Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour. Thanks
again for joining us, and we are so excited to
be back at Kathy how about it. We got to
share so much with them.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So we just got back from our cruise. We're gonna
we're not only going to answer fan questions today, but
we're going to tell you some of the great things
we did on our cruise. But in the meantime, make
sure you're submitting all of your questions to us and
your comments. We love reading them. All you got to
do is go to Bachelornation dot com slash Golden Hour
and send us everything you got.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yes, send us everything, your questions, your updates, all of it,
and questions for us about our journeys that we've been
on recently.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Boyd, do we have a lot to tell you know
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Speaker 1 (00:52):
You can also dm us on Instagram at Bachelor Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Okay, Susan, I don't even know where to be in
on the cruise. We've got to talk. We have to
talk about our Holland husbands. These two guys are gay,
they've been together fourteen years. They are Dutch, they speak
impeccable English. We sat next to them at dinner one
night and we got chatting and we just hung out
(01:17):
with him for the rest of the cruise. We went
off the ship with him. We ate meals with them,
we had cocktails with them, we took photos with them.
We had such a blast. They are the best guys.
And in fact, Susan and I have another trip coming
up next spring where a were going.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Susan, We're going to Holland We're going to stay in
their house and they have actually a guesthouse on their
property and they live right on the river and they
want us to come when it's warm because they have
a boat. These guys were like our best friends. We
met them night one, like you said, at dinner, and
we were inseparable ever since.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
They were great.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
They made They made the cruise for me.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
One other thing made the cruise. I didn't do anything
for you.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Really well.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Then I took you to the wear potato frack. Yes,
so we go.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
We go to Istanbul our first time. We started in Athens.
Susan was sleeping and so Kathy got up and went
to the acropolis. Found my way to the acropolis. They
were sold out of tickets. Where there's a will, there's
a way, I got a ticket, I went walked the Acropolis,
did the whole thing. Anyway, we have so much more
to tell, but right now we got to get into
our question of the day. We do Are you ready?
(02:27):
Here we go? I still I want to talk more
about the trip, but we'll do it. We'll do it
another time. You are fans. You wait, we have so
many stories for you. Okay, here's the question of the day. Susan.
When was the time you realized you were wrong in
an argument with your significant other? And how did you
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handle it?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I hate it when i'm wrong. First of all, are
you ever wrong?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I am? You know what, Kathy, I know? Like boom,
I go, oh my god, I'm so sorry, Oh my god,
I'm so sorry. I had no I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Forgive me, like I immediately apologize, not to me.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Hide, Oh it's significant other, not me, not me, She says,
I'm never wrong with you know what? I got to
be honest here. I think when my husband was alive,
what is it I'd rather be right than happy or something?
There's expressions, Yeah, there's an expression. Do you want to
be right or happy? I think I focused a lot
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on wanting to be right. And but now I've learned
that when I'm wrong, I am so quick to say
I am so sorry. I can't you know, I apologize.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
When you were happily married, way back, when you were wrong,
you wouldn't admit it.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
You just I was.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I'm telling you I was rarely wrong in my brain.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
You heard it from her mouth herself.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
No, I'm saying, that's what I'm telling you. In my brain,
I wanted I was right, and so now I would
rather be happy than right. And so you know what,
you know, you're wearing a beautiful pink shirt today. If
I say it's a blue shirt, you say it's an
orange shirt. Whatever color you want makes me happy. I
just don't care.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
One thing that comes to mind.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I remember griping to my my ex husband, Dicky, like
when they play golf, what takes you so long? If
you were done until I started playing, when I started
playing the game, I'll never forget calling him up and said, Dicky,
I owe you an apology.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
He said for what I said. I get it.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
It's you're done the eighteenth cold. It's long before you
get home. And I understood why, And I apologize for
all those times. Oh I wish I want him with
three kids while he's had a day off.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
You know, I'm just saying I wish I had only
been wrong about golf games. I just think that, you know,
I think little things. It's easy sometimes to say I'm wrong, Yeah,
my bad, But I think some of those bigger things,
I just indignant. You know. It was like I wanted
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to be right. I think again, Susan, how often do
you and I talk about you have to get to
a certain age where you know what it's okay in
your head, be right in your heads, and just give
the apology and move on with life, as.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Well as sometimes when you're accused of something that you
did not do or did not say, or yeah, whatever
the case may be. And I am a stickler like
I will fight to the end when I know I
am correct.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I don't anymore. I used to.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah, well now it's not worth it.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
That's what I'm saying now at my age there, I'd
rather be happy than right, And so sometimes I know
I'm right and I let it go. Sometimes you know
I'm wrong, and when i'm wrong now I'm jumped to
say I'm sorry. So I think again, It's one of
these things. With age comes maturity, It comes discerning whether
something is worth going to the mat and fighting about.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
How about you guys out there, anybody else still feel
like we do at this point, like it's okay to
be wrong and you just accept it and apologize whatever
the case may be.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Or do you guys still yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Do your kids? Do your kids admit when they're wrong?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
No, definitely not. They're not there yet.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I figured you and I are going to be six
feet under the ground, you know, be manure for somebody's
plants by the time kids are ready to admit they're wrong.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Oh god, whatever, all right, we're going to start our
fan questions. My favorite part, Okay, I'll start.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Excuse me. I thought your favorite part was playing games.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Oh geez. She loves that as long as it's not
the one game. Although the last few episodes we did
play some cool game.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Moral quandary. I'm kind we're bringing out accidents.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
No, no, no, no, no, all right.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
This is from Laura, Hi, Kathy, and Susan. My husband
is very nonchalant and doesn't have many opinions about things.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Was he when I was looking?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I think in general that's probably good, but it's hard
for me when we are discussing future plans and goals.
He says he just wants to do whatever makes me
happy and that he'll be happy with that, and she's wondering, Okay,
Am I just lucky in that way? Because sometimes I
feel like with important decisions like where we live, or
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what jobs we have, or whether we have kids, et cetera,
are things that are someone should be opinionated about. So
it makes it hard for me because I feel like
I have to be the end all decision maker in
the relationship, which causes me a lot of stress.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Oh God, I say, where do I sign up?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I was wondering what your thoughts are. Am I just
lucky and should just take it on the chin? Or
do you think it's something I should be concerned about?
Thanks for your help. Well, first and foremost, I do
think I would need an opinion about having children. You
want to know if the man is interested in having
a family owned don't care.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I think that's a good point. You know, It's funny.
In my marriage, we Daryl and I used to joke
that I made the big decisions in life, like what
we're going to have for dinners? Yeah, I made the big,
those big decisions. He made the little decisions like where
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we were going to live, what city, what jobs, where
we were going to invest our money? Like you know,
I think you have. In some ways people have evolved.
There used to be a division of labor where women
did the housework and the kids and the husband. You know,
I think that's a time gone by. I think you
don't think it's time going on.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I think women have jobs as well, and they.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Oh people I know who are young, they really divided equally.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, a lot of them do now.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
But I'm with you, Susan, I would be concerned. I mean,
on the one hand, jeez, you know, a guy just
wants to make me happy. Where let me sign up?
Because I have an older brother of father.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
His name, He just wants to make me happy. Whatever
makes me happy. You're looking at a gift towards there.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Shut your mouth, but think about it.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
But I mean, on the one hand, yes, it seems
that way, but let's look at it in another way.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Maybe she thinks he doesn't really care, you know that
kind of.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I'm saying, maybe you know, whether they're in bed whenever
you want, Where do you want to live? Where do
you want to go to dinner. I don't care what
you wear. I don't care what do you want to
name the kids? I don't care. If the first thing
out of his mouth is I don't care, that doesn't
bode well. I don't think for an integrated marriage where
we have equal parts. But damn, I'd like to try
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it for a year or two.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Really, But look again, Laura, and think about it. Yeah, well,
he just wants to make you happy. And if you're
maybe she's not a type A, Kathy. Maybe she's not
like us because we can control the world, you know,
we go and loves in.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Wait a minute, she has to be a type A.
He's the one that's not the type A. If she's
making all the decisions.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
But she's saying I feel like it's end all decision
maker in the relationship, which causes her stress.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Hey, Laura, I've got the answer for you. Call Susan
and me. List your questions, list your concerns, find you know.
We'll tell you. Susan will tay how to decorate your house,
what to buy, I'll tell you you know where to travel. Yeah, oh,
I will not tell her what to cook. I'll tell
you where to make a reservation.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I really don't.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I can see it.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I think you should just chill and let him be.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
If you're not concerned that he cares, you know, he's
really doing it because he loves you and he wants
you happy, then then roll with it.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
However, I think she definitely should talk about the kids. Yeah,
force that one, Laura. You don't want to end up
with three kids. And he wakes up one day and says,
you know what, Laura, I never wanted any kids. You
wanted them, so you know, have that conversation.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Usually you already have jobs. You don't say what kind
of job we're going to have.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
And where we're going to live. You're going to live
where you were?
Speaker 2 (11:13):
No, But like with my husband's case, you know, he
had he was an investment banker, and so he had
opportunities to move to other cities and work in other places.
And I never you know, I figured he was one
in that career, so I didn't really you know, you'd.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Be okay if he came to you and just said, Kathy,
where I'm going to take this job here and we're moving.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Let me tell you susan funny you ask. My husband
was old enough that he was at the tail end
of the Vietnam War, so he was an officer in
the Navy, United States Navy. I loved it. I wanted
him to stay in the Navy. I loved meeting people.
I loved moving all the time. I loved traveling. That's
where I got the travel bug. So yeah, I would
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have been every time he said we were going to move.
I remember when we when he finish graduate school and
we moved to Houston for his first job out of
business school. We were going to stay there five years.
Twenty two years later, I was like, when are we leaving?
When are we leaving? And then we moved to Austin
and I've been here, what twenty three years? I'm so
ready to go live. You know where I'm going. I'm
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going to live with the Holland husbands in Holland.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I'm telling you the nice life, all right, well that
we had, Oh my god, were the best.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
They are the best? All right? Okay, okay, The next
one is from anonymous. Okay, here we go. I watched
my daughter's two little ones four days a week, full
time at my daughter's house. I arrived in the morning
very early, and immediately I get angry. The house is
a disaster. There are dishes in the sink, clothes all over,
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overflowing garbage, cans, et cetera. I can't stand it. Excuse
I wish I could see Susan's face. Your eyes are
bugging out of her for you, because Susan lives like
a meat nick Anonymous, you do not want to be
anywhere near Susan. Okay, so everything's overflowing garbage. I can't
stand it, says Anonymous. I start cleaning up right away,
(13:12):
but I'm resentful that I have to stay in that
environment all day. It would be hard to take them
to my house, as my one grandchild has to go
to school nearby and be picked up. Plus all their
inside and outside toys are there. My daughter and I
end up fighting every time. She has a very busy life,
as does her husband. They both work long hours, and
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I get there is limited time to clean, but when
the weekends come, they go out all weekend and do
nothing do I just stay quiet and suck it up.
It's the only thing we fight about, Susan. I got
to jump in here. This is the easiest, easiest thing
to answer, Anonymous. You have two choices. One is keep
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doing what you've been doing. You're going to keep getting
what you've been getting. The other option is to say,
lovely daughter, who I adore. I can't do this. It
causes me stress. I love my grandchildren, but you either
have to hire a housekeeper or something, because I can't
come here anymore. So I'm giving you a month's notice
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that you either have to find other childcare or get
somebody here to clean this house. Because while you're working
all day in a sterile, clean environment, I'm here trying
to clean up the mess that is your house. And
if you don't think I would say it, Susan, you
know I would.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
No, I know you would. I don't tell it for
a second. And I am a little bit feeling the
same way. I would definitely hire somebody. When I read
that she watches them four days a week, it occurs
to me that maybe because of finances they can't hire
a professional.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
They want mom to do it.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
And if that's the case, I can really because the weekends,
come there out all weekend.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
And spend time with their family, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Maybe that's why I get what she trust me, you
know me, Kathy, I was having issues from the first sentence,
I really get it.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I'm sorry. If they're out partying all weekend, stay home
one night and hire a housekeeper.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I know, but we can't tell them what to do.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Then, if that's what I just said, she has two choices.
One you give them a month to get their act together,
get the house clean and say it's got to be
kept clean. Or you tell them to hire someone. What
you The third choice is not a choice. You you
keep living in that mess. I wouldn't do it. You
wouldn't either for me.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
She says, all their toys inside and out are there,
and the child goes to school. When the child's at school,
that's when you're cleaning up.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I think that's part of it. I would do the.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Same exact thing, or get some toys for your home,
inside and out. How far does she live from them
to go pick them up, or have your children, your
daughter drop her kids off to you in the morning.
I mean, and that could be the reason when she explains,
I can't live like that. I can't stay in your house.
It's a total disaster. I'm not telling you how to live,
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but I don't approve, and it makes me crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Well, I agree with all that, but when here, you know,
I don't know. Maybe I had too much vacation in Greece,
but I feel like this is not your daughter's problem.
This is your problem, Anonymous. Don't make her problems your problems.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
If the house, she says, they fight. Every time, you're
fighting over the same thing. It's not going to change.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
That's what I said. If you keep doing what you've
been doing, you keep getting what you've been getting.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
So that's a toleration of insanity. They say, if you
keep doing the same thing over and over, you expect
a different result.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Okay, So I know, Anonymous, when you hear this, you're
going to say. Easy for you guys to say, Oh,
I can assure you both Susan and I have said
no to our children on babysitting, and I got to
be honest with you. I love my grandchildren, Anonymous, I
wouldn't do it four days a week now. That tells
me you need to get yourself a life. And I
realized that's maybe unfair. But you know, you can't complain
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about something you're doing. You're choosing to do. You can't
be resentful if you're choosing. Is that right? Do you agree? Yes?
If you're choosing to do it, you can't be resentful.
Make a different choice, Anonymous, and have.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
A sit down with your daughter.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Don't fight with her every week because it'll strain the relationship.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
But when you say have a sit down, what's the
sit down?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Say, honey, I can't live like this. I can't come
here and clean your house. I bet you. The daughter
turns and says, I'm not expecting you to clean it.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Your point, she's not comfortable being in it.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yes, it's it's her compared to that.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
That's why it's anonymous problem. Anonymous. You need to say
I love you, but I can't do this anymore. I'll
have the kids one day at my house, or you
need to hire a housekeeper. Something has to change, Anonymous.
I guess as Susan's in my point here, would you agree? Yes?
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Good luck though it's a tough one.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And if nothing else works, I'll give you Susan's phone numbers.
She cleans like no other. That place will be spanning about. Oh,
give her two hours. Did not eat off the floors
the story.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I went over to my son's house and his wife
and the baby, and I thought i'd be helpful. The
piles of laundry up in the room. It was like
I started at seven thirty in the morning. I must
have did nine loads of laundry, folded ready to be
put away.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Wait where were way back up? Where was the laundry
dirty or clean?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Well, it looked like piles of dirty laundry in their bedroom.
And Stella and I were upstairs and we got her
mommy's blow dryer when I.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Gave her a bath. Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Anyhow, I go, let me help them, because they both
work full time. It's long hours, right, I do all
this laundry. They come home and she was like, oh
my god, I can't believe you did all that for me.
Oh my god, I really And the baby was young.
It was the first time, Mommy, you know, I get it.
And Christopher says, mom, those three piles right there, they're clean.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I Susan, I knew where you were going to win. Kyle,
who's if you all forgot? Susan officiated his wedding a
year and a half ago, so Susan knows Kyle. Kyle
went before he was married, he lived in an apartment
and he was moving and my sister from Canada. Susan,
my sister is also Susan. Susan came to visit and
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we went over to Kyle's apartment to drop off some
boxes because he was moving. And we walked in. I
swear to God, I said, was there a robber in here?
Like everything closed on the kitchen table, under the kitchen table.
My sister was like, Holy God, does he live here?
I said, I'm not sure. He may have been robbed.
So I call him up and sure enough, that's how
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we lived. And I said, Kyle, there are clothes in
the laundry basket on the table under the tablecos Mom,
it's easy, I said, what's easy? He goes the clothes,
You're gonna die. You should give Kyle hard time about this.
The clothes on the kitchen table, you understandile you couldn't
see the table are all clean. The ones under the
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table are dirty. So when I wear them, I just
throw them under the table. I swear to God. Now
he is married. Now his house it looks like yours.
His wife has got his act together? Is that hysterical?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I could never Oh, and my boys when they were
growing up, I would teach my children. I'd do the
laundry for them, of course, And I'd say, all you
have to do is put it away, and they did.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
It's so easy. I could just grab it out of
the basket. No, that's a thing.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Do you know there are people that don't mind doing
laundry and folding, but they don't want to put it away.
I'm like, that's the easiest part. It's it's the sorting
the laundry, putting in the bleach, putting.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
You ask me for something, I could tell you exactly.
Go to the third drawer on the right. I can
test you this.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I literally will say this Susan when I met our house, Hey,
can I borrow a pair of running shorts to go
out and walk? Yes? In the guest room. Go into
the third drawer on the right. Behind the black box
are three pairs. I swear to god, she's not lying.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
It's same with the eyeliner. Somebody needs top drawer centered,
not on the other side.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Third row back the third because the first two rows
are black and then brown the third six.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Okay, all right, anyhow, Oh my god, that was Those.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Are good good Hey Anonymous, good luck with your daughter.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, you gotta be real.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
If it's really stressful. Then some people can turn the
other cheek. I admire people like this, Kathy. Some people
can roll and not let it bother. It's not their problem.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
They just do what they do. I can't do that.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I wasn't built that way.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I have one more quick straight before we move on
to our our last Golden Spotlight segment. When we were
on the cruise, I swear to God, people, I'm not joking.
You walked into Susan's room. I was like, is anyone
say every day?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
She said?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Every day you'd walk into a room. There was nothing
in sight. It was like, Susan, are you sleeping here?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Like?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Everything is packed in neat, tidy bags, in drawers, in
put away. Ever put it away. That's Susan's You know,
what are your tombstone? Sus And I'm going to tell
your children Susan knowles.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
She always put it away, always put it away. Everything
has a home.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Oh that's right, everything has a home. All right, let's
move on there.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Okay, Now we're going to be doing a Golden Spotlight
where we discuss something that is impacting the Golden community.
Today's Golden Spotlight is all about life in an empty nest.
What is the transition like going from having kids in
the house and being a full time parent to when
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your children have their own lives and families. What are
the pros and cons and how did you get through
that tree? Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Most people have tears and it's really hard. I did
cry when the first day, you know what I mean.
But I was like, yes, everything's going to be neat
like I leave it. When I come home, it's exactly
like I left it. You do miss them, but when
they come back and stay for a couple of days,
I go insane because as much as I spend time
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with them, stuff all over the place. So some people
really really have a hard time. And I personally think
that they devoted their lives totally one hundred percent, as
we all do to our children. But I kept my
own life. Yes, I kept things for me as well,
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and they didn't. They lost friends or hobbies or whatever.
Everything was about their children.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
So I'm in the middle there. I had hobbies and friends,
but I and I worked on and off, but I
raised my kids. And this is a very true story.
We were living in Austin by the time Caitlyn went
to college, and we had bought a big family house
and upstairs everyone there were three bedrooms, three bathrooms, and
(24:19):
a playroom and now our bedroom and the rest of
the living was downstairs, and we had a pool. And
I remember when we bought this house, I said to Darryl,
to my husband, this is going to be our family home.
This is where everybody's going to come back and bring
their grandchildren. This is going to be like the family
gathering place. When Caitlyn went off to college, I remember
(24:40):
Daryl came home from work every night. I was sitting crying.
He's like, what's wrong. I said, it's so lonely upstairs.
They're all gone. I mean, I couldn't stand it. I
would go from room to room crying because they were
gone and I missed them so much. Can I tell
you we sold that house? Oh, I don't know. About
three months later, he goes, I can't take it anymore
because I I realized they weren't going to come back.
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My oldest son was living in Michigan, and then.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
He went to college. She was coming back, no Caitlyn.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
When Kaitlyn graduated from high school, she went to college
in California. Then she lived overseas for a while. Then
she lived in San Francisco, then she lived in New York.
And I've told you this when she called and then
she went to grad school in Boston, And when she
ever called us and said she was moving back to Austin,
I almost fell over. Kyle came home. He came home
(25:30):
after college. Douglas has never lived back in Austin. He
hates the heat, and Caitlyn took her like fifteen years
to come back. So for me, the transition, I will
be very honest, was very difficult. I loved I cried
at the end of the summer when my kids went
to school. My friends used to call me Captain Kangaroo
for those of you who are old enough to know
(25:50):
who Captain Kangaroo is. I loved being with my kids
and taking him to the park and museums and reading
to them. I just I loved it. So for me,
being an empty nester originally was very difficult. Now fast forward,
because my youngest child is thirty eight, I freaking love it.
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I love it.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
When you moved that it got better.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah. Oh, and in fact, I live in the same
home now that Daryl and I moved to when we
sold that big house.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
And I love it and kids never lived there. They
come and stay, period.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
They come and stay. One of the room's upstairs. I
used to call it Caitlin's room because she did live
in it for a while after college, between before she
moved to Dallas and then back to San Francisco. But yeah, no,
I just think it's like anything else in life. Transitions
are just that, their transitions, and it takes time to adapt,
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to create new arteries, if you will, for your life,
new interests, because now you have the time, you know,
to put yourself first, and that is the biggest pro
I think.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
And redecorate the room and take over the closet.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
And Susan, yeah, I mean you get to do things
for you and your spouse or your partner or your
girlfriend or whoever it is you or yourself. You get
to do some things you haven't had time to. And
then when grandchildren come along, you know, that's a whole
other fabulous sam layer.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Don't you agree, Kathy.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
One the kids get their place, you're over there a lot,
and you're helping them decorate, and you're helping them get
new things for the bathroom and all that stuff. It's
kind of exciting because it is starting a life.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
It's so funny you said that when I had the
big house. I love decorating it. I really did buying
things for it. Now my daughter comes over and says, Mom,
I really like that mirror. Take it. It's your furnishings
and things to my kids because they like it. They're
in a building mode. You and I are in a
do we really need this anymore? Mode? Right? That's how
(27:52):
it is, her one way this mode. Yes, yeah, so
I think that's the pros. You get to do things
for yourself and your spouse or your partner. You get
to create new interest, travel, do all the things you
kind of put off. The cons are. It's a new
stage of life and you have to say goodbye, you know,
to that stage of raising kids. And for some people
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that's harder than it is for others.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It is, it is, but it's all part of life.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
It's all part of life. And now you know, I
wouldn't want to go back with you.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
No, No, that's why young people have babies.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
That's why we have grandchildren, so we can spoil them
and send them off.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Absolutely. I had a huge party here yesterday. Instell of God.
The things she says at our mouth she's so funny.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
But they're funny, but you know, might be.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
And she's just having the time of her life. And
when it was all over, there was a huge mess.
We cooked on the grill of it.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I don't care, don't you don't have to help me
clean up. It's all good.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
And I guarantee you, folks, if students in Philly and
I'm in Austin, but I will bet you you the
bottom dollar in my bank account, that if I went
to Susan's house right now, you would never know that
her family was there yesterday.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
You could have came last night. I don't go to
bed with it.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Oh God, All right, Well, this has been so so
much fun. We want to thank you all for listening.
Today we're going to be back again talking more about
our crews, talking more about Susan has a special visitor
at her home. We might want to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Company.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Make sure you keep following us and follow them from
Bachelor Happy Hour, as we have new episodes coming out
every week and you don't want to miss I mean,
the things that.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
We've experienced just in the last few weeks.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
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to us. We want to know if you have friends
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it is the best anyway. All you have to do
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Speaker 3 (30:13):
Until next time, we have
Speaker 2 (30:15):
A great week.
Welcome back everybody to Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour. Thanks
again for joining us, and we are so excited to
be back at Kathy how about it. We got to
share so much with them.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
So we just got back from our cruise. We're gonna
we're not only going to answer fan questions today, but
we're going to tell you some of the great things
we did on our cruise. But in the meantime, make
sure you're submitting all of your questions to us and
your comments. We love reading them. All you got to
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Speaker 1 (00:39):
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Speaker 3 (00:48):
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Speaker 1 (00:52):
You can also dm us on Instagram at Bachelor Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Okay, Susan, I don't even know where to be in
on the cruise. We've got to talk. We have to
talk about our Holland husbands. These two guys are gay,
they've been together fourteen years. They are Dutch, they speak
impeccable English. We sat next to them at dinner one
night and we got chatting and we just hung out
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with him for the rest of the cruise. We went
off the ship with him. We ate meals with them,
we had cocktails with them, we took photos with them.
We had such a blast. They are the best guys.
And in fact, Susan and I have another trip coming
up next spring where a were going.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Susan, We're going to Holland We're going to stay in
their house and they have actually a guesthouse on their
property and they live right on the river and they
want us to come when it's warm because they have
a boat. These guys were like our best friends. We
met them night one, like you said, at dinner, and
we were inseparable ever since.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
They were great.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
They made They made the cruise for me.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
One other thing made the cruise. I didn't do anything
for you.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Really well.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Then I took you to the wear potato frack. Yes,
so we go.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
We go to Istanbul our first time. We started in Athens.
Susan was sleeping and so Kathy got up and went
to the acropolis. Found my way to the acropolis. They
were sold out of tickets. Where there's a will, there's
a way, I got a ticket, I went walked the Acropolis,
did the whole thing. Anyway, we have so much more
to tell, but right now we got to get into
our question of the day. We do Are you ready?
(02:27):
Here we go? I still I want to talk more
about the trip, but we'll do it. We'll do it
another time. You are fans. You wait, we have so
many stories for you. Okay, here's the question of the day. Susan.
When was the time you realized you were wrong in
an argument with your significant other? And how did you
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handle it?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I hate it when i'm wrong. First of all, are
you ever wrong?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (02:53):
I am? You know what, Kathy, I know? Like boom,
I go, oh my god, I'm so sorry, Oh my god,
I'm so sorry. I had no I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Forgive me, like I immediately apologize, not to me.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Hide, Oh it's significant other, not me, not me, She says,
I'm never wrong with you know what? I got to
be honest here. I think when my husband was alive,
what is it I'd rather be right than happy or something?
There's expressions, Yeah, there's an expression. Do you want to
be right or happy? I think I focused a lot
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on wanting to be right. And but now I've learned
that when I'm wrong, I am so quick to say
I am so sorry. I can't you know, I apologize.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
When you were happily married, way back, when you were wrong,
you wouldn't admit it.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
You just I was.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I'm telling you I was rarely wrong in my brain.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
You heard it from her mouth herself.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
No, I'm saying, that's what I'm telling you. In my brain,
I wanted I was right, and so now I would
rather be happy than right. And so you know what,
you know, you're wearing a beautiful pink shirt today. If
I say it's a blue shirt, you say it's an
orange shirt. Whatever color you want makes me happy. I
just don't care.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
One thing that comes to mind.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
I remember griping to my my ex husband, Dicky, like
when they play golf, what takes you so long? If
you were done until I started playing, when I started
playing the game, I'll never forget calling him up and said, Dicky,
I owe you an apology.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
He said for what I said. I get it.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
It's you're done the eighteenth cold. It's long before you
get home. And I understood why, And I apologize for
all those times. Oh I wish I want him with
three kids while he's had a day off.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
You know, I'm just saying I wish I had only
been wrong about golf games. I just think that, you know,
I think little things. It's easy sometimes to say I'm wrong, Yeah,
my bad, But I think some of those bigger things,
I just indignant. You know. It was like I wanted
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to be right. I think again, Susan, how often do
you and I talk about you have to get to
a certain age where you know what it's okay in
your head, be right in your heads, and just give
the apology and move on with life, as.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Well as sometimes when you're accused of something that you
did not do or did not say, or yeah, whatever
the case may be. And I am a stickler like
I will fight to the end when I know I
am correct.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I don't anymore. I used to.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah, well now it's not worth it.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
That's what I'm saying now at my age there, I'd
rather be happy than right, And so sometimes I know
I'm right and I let it go. Sometimes you know
I'm wrong, and when i'm wrong now I'm jumped to
say I'm sorry. So I think again, It's one of
these things. With age comes maturity, It comes discerning whether
something is worth going to the mat and fighting about.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
How about you guys out there, anybody else still feel
like we do at this point, like it's okay to
be wrong and you just accept it and apologize whatever
the case may be.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Or do you guys still yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Do your kids? Do your kids admit when they're wrong?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
No, definitely not. They're not there yet.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
I figured you and I are going to be six
feet under the ground, you know, be manure for somebody's
plants by the time kids are ready to admit they're wrong.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Oh god, whatever, all right, we're going to start our
fan questions. My favorite part, Okay, I'll start.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Excuse me. I thought your favorite part was playing games.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Oh geez. She loves that as long as it's not
the one game. Although the last few episodes we did
play some cool game.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Moral quandary. I'm kind we're bringing out accidents.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
No, no, no, no, no, all right.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
This is from Laura, Hi, Kathy, and Susan. My husband
is very nonchalant and doesn't have many opinions about things.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Was he when I was looking?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I think in general that's probably good, but it's hard
for me when we are discussing future plans and goals.
He says he just wants to do whatever makes me
happy and that he'll be happy with that, and she's wondering, Okay,
Am I just lucky in that way? Because sometimes I
feel like with important decisions like where we live, or
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what jobs we have, or whether we have kids, et cetera,
are things that are someone should be opinionated about. So
it makes it hard for me because I feel like
I have to be the end all decision maker in
the relationship, which causes me a lot of stress.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Oh God, I say, where do I sign up?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I was wondering what your thoughts are. Am I just
lucky and should just take it on the chin? Or
do you think it's something I should be concerned about?
Thanks for your help. Well, first and foremost, I do
think I would need an opinion about having children. You
want to know if the man is interested in having
a family owned don't care.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I think that's a good point. You know, It's funny.
In my marriage, we Daryl and I used to joke
that I made the big decisions in life, like what
we're going to have for dinners? Yeah, I made the big,
those big decisions. He made the little decisions like where
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we were going to live, what city, what jobs, where
we were going to invest our money? Like you know,
I think you have. In some ways people have evolved.
There used to be a division of labor where women
did the housework and the kids and the husband. You know,
I think that's a time gone by. I think you
don't think it's time going on.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
I think women have jobs as well, and they.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Oh people I know who are young, they really divided equally.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, a lot of them do now.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
But I'm with you, Susan, I would be concerned. I mean,
on the one hand, jeez, you know, a guy just
wants to make me happy. Where let me sign up?
Because I have an older brother of father.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
His name, He just wants to make me happy. Whatever
makes me happy. You're looking at a gift towards there.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Shut your mouth, but think about it.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
But I mean, on the one hand, yes, it seems
that way, but let's look at it in another way.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Maybe she thinks he doesn't really care, you know that
kind of.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I'm saying, maybe you know, whether they're in bed whenever
you want, Where do you want to live? Where do
you want to go to dinner. I don't care what
you wear. I don't care what do you want to
name the kids? I don't care. If the first thing
out of his mouth is I don't care, that doesn't
bode well. I don't think for an integrated marriage where
we have equal parts. But damn, I'd like to try
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it for a year or two.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Really, But look again, Laura, and think about it. Yeah, well,
he just wants to make you happy. And if you're
maybe she's not a type A, Kathy. Maybe she's not
like us because we can control the world, you know,
we go and loves in.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Wait a minute, she has to be a type A.
He's the one that's not the type A. If she's
making all the decisions.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
But she's saying I feel like it's end all decision
maker in the relationship, which causes her stress.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Hey, Laura, I've got the answer for you. Call Susan
and me. List your questions, list your concerns, find you know.
We'll tell you. Susan will tay how to decorate your house,
what to buy, I'll tell you you know where to travel. Yeah, oh,
I will not tell her what to cook. I'll tell
you where to make a reservation.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
I really don't.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
I can see it.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I think you should just chill and let him be.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
If you're not concerned that he cares, you know, he's
really doing it because he loves you and he wants
you happy, then then roll with it.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
However, I think she definitely should talk about the kids. Yeah,
force that one, Laura. You don't want to end up
with three kids. And he wakes up one day and says,
you know what, Laura, I never wanted any kids. You
wanted them, so you know, have that conversation.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Usually you already have jobs. You don't say what kind
of job we're going to have.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
And where we're going to live. You're going to live
where you were?
Speaker 2 (11:13):
No, But like with my husband's case, you know, he
had he was an investment banker, and so he had
opportunities to move to other cities and work in other places.
And I never you know, I figured he was one
in that career, so I didn't really you know, you'd.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Be okay if he came to you and just said, Kathy,
where I'm going to take this job here and we're moving.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Let me tell you susan funny you ask. My husband
was old enough that he was at the tail end
of the Vietnam War, so he was an officer in
the Navy, United States Navy. I loved it. I wanted
him to stay in the Navy. I loved meeting people.
I loved moving all the time. I loved traveling. That's
where I got the travel bug. So yeah, I would
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have been every time he said we were going to move.
I remember when we when he finish graduate school and
we moved to Houston for his first job out of
business school. We were going to stay there five years.
Twenty two years later, I was like, when are we leaving?
When are we leaving? And then we moved to Austin
and I've been here, what twenty three years? I'm so
ready to go live. You know where I'm going. I'm
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going to live with the Holland husbands in Holland.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
I'm telling you the nice life, all right, well that
we had, Oh my god, were the best.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
They are the best? All right? Okay, okay, The next
one is from anonymous. Okay, here we go. I watched
my daughter's two little ones four days a week, full
time at my daughter's house. I arrived in the morning
very early, and immediately I get angry. The house is
a disaster. There are dishes in the sink, clothes all over,
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overflowing garbage, cans, et cetera. I can't stand it. Excuse
I wish I could see Susan's face. Your eyes are
bugging out of her for you, because Susan lives like
a meat nick Anonymous, you do not want to be
anywhere near Susan. Okay, so everything's overflowing garbage. I can't
stand it, says Anonymous. I start cleaning up right away,
(13:12):
but I'm resentful that I have to stay in that
environment all day. It would be hard to take them
to my house, as my one grandchild has to go
to school nearby and be picked up. Plus all their
inside and outside toys are there. My daughter and I
end up fighting every time. She has a very busy life,
as does her husband. They both work long hours, and
(13:35):
I get there is limited time to clean, but when
the weekends come, they go out all weekend and do
nothing do I just stay quiet and suck it up.
It's the only thing we fight about, Susan. I got
to jump in here. This is the easiest, easiest thing
to answer, Anonymous. You have two choices. One is keep
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doing what you've been doing. You're going to keep getting
what you've been getting. The other option is to say,
lovely daughter, who I adore. I can't do this. It
causes me stress. I love my grandchildren, but you either
have to hire a housekeeper or something, because I can't
come here anymore. So I'm giving you a month's notice
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that you either have to find other childcare or get
somebody here to clean this house. Because while you're working
all day in a sterile, clean environment, I'm here trying
to clean up the mess that is your house. And
if you don't think I would say it, Susan, you
know I would.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
No, I know you would. I don't tell it for
a second. And I am a little bit feeling the
same way. I would definitely hire somebody. When I read
that she watches them four days a week, it occurs
to me that maybe because of finances they can't hire
a professional.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
They want mom to do it.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
And if that's the case, I can really because the weekends,
come there out all weekend.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
And spend time with their family, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Maybe that's why I get what she trust me, you
know me, Kathy, I was having issues from the first sentence,
I really get it.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I'm sorry. If they're out partying all weekend, stay home
one night and hire a housekeeper.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
I know, but we can't tell them what to do.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Then, if that's what I just said, she has two choices.
One you give them a month to get their act together,
get the house clean and say it's got to be
kept clean. Or you tell them to hire someone. What
you The third choice is not a choice. You you
keep living in that mess. I wouldn't do it. You
wouldn't either for me.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
She says, all their toys inside and out are there,
and the child goes to school. When the child's at school,
that's when you're cleaning up.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I think that's part of it. I would do the.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Same exact thing, or get some toys for your home,
inside and out. How far does she live from them
to go pick them up, or have your children, your
daughter drop her kids off to you in the morning.
I mean, and that could be the reason when she explains,
I can't live like that. I can't stay in your house.
It's a total disaster. I'm not telling you how to live,
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but I don't approve, and it makes me crazy.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Well, I agree with all that, but when here, you know,
I don't know. Maybe I had too much vacation in Greece,
but I feel like this is not your daughter's problem.
This is your problem, Anonymous. Don't make her problems your problems.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
If the house, she says, they fight. Every time, you're
fighting over the same thing. It's not going to change.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
That's what I said. If you keep doing what you've
been doing, you keep getting what you've been getting.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
So that's a toleration of insanity. They say, if you
keep doing the same thing over and over, you expect
a different result.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Okay, So I know, Anonymous, when you hear this, you're
going to say. Easy for you guys to say, Oh,
I can assure you both Susan and I have said
no to our children on babysitting, and I got to
be honest with you. I love my grandchildren, Anonymous, I
wouldn't do it four days a week now. That tells
me you need to get yourself a life. And I
realized that's maybe unfair. But you know, you can't complain
(17:09):
about something you're doing. You're choosing to do. You can't
be resentful if you're choosing. Is that right? Do you agree? Yes?
If you're choosing to do it, you can't be resentful.
Make a different choice, Anonymous, and have.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
A sit down with your daughter.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Don't fight with her every week because it'll strain the relationship.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
But when you say have a sit down, what's the
sit down?
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Say, honey, I can't live like this. I can't come
here and clean your house. I bet you. The daughter
turns and says, I'm not expecting you to clean it.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Your point, she's not comfortable being in it.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Yes, it's it's her compared to that.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
That's why it's anonymous problem. Anonymous. You need to say
I love you, but I can't do this anymore. I'll
have the kids one day at my house, or you
need to hire a housekeeper. Something has to change, Anonymous.
I guess as Susan's in my point here, would you agree? Yes?
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Good luck though it's a tough one.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
And if nothing else works, I'll give you Susan's phone numbers.
She cleans like no other. That place will be spanning about. Oh,
give her two hours. Did not eat off the floors
the story.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
I went over to my son's house and his wife
and the baby, and I thought i'd be helpful. The
piles of laundry up in the room. It was like
I started at seven thirty in the morning. I must
have did nine loads of laundry, folded ready to be
put away.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Wait where were way back up? Where was the laundry
dirty or clean?
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Well, it looked like piles of dirty laundry in their bedroom.
And Stella and I were upstairs and we got her
mommy's blow dryer when I.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Gave her a bath. Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Anyhow, I go, let me help them, because they both
work full time. It's long hours, right, I do all
this laundry. They come home and she was like, oh
my god, I can't believe you did all that for me.
Oh my god, I really And the baby was young.
It was the first time, Mommy, you know, I get it.
And Christopher says, mom, those three piles right there, they're clean.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I Susan, I knew where you were going to win. Kyle,
who's if you all forgot? Susan officiated his wedding a
year and a half ago, so Susan knows Kyle. Kyle
went before he was married, he lived in an apartment
and he was moving and my sister from Canada. Susan,
my sister is also Susan. Susan came to visit and
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we went over to Kyle's apartment to drop off some
boxes because he was moving. And we walked in. I
swear to God, I said, was there a robber in here?
Like everything closed on the kitchen table, under the kitchen table.
My sister was like, Holy God, does he live here?
I said, I'm not sure. He may have been robbed.
So I call him up and sure enough, that's how
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we lived. And I said, Kyle, there are clothes in
the laundry basket on the table under the tablecos Mom,
it's easy, I said, what's easy? He goes the clothes,
You're gonna die. You should give Kyle hard time about this.
The clothes on the kitchen table, you understandile you couldn't
see the table are all clean. The ones under the
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table are dirty. So when I wear them, I just
throw them under the table. I swear to God. Now
he is married. Now his house it looks like yours.
His wife has got his act together? Is that hysterical?
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I could never Oh, and my boys when they were
growing up, I would teach my children. I'd do the
laundry for them, of course, And I'd say, all you
have to do is put it away, and they did.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
It's so easy. I could just grab it out of
the basket. No, that's a thing.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Do you know there are people that don't mind doing
laundry and folding, but they don't want to put it away.
I'm like, that's the easiest part. It's it's the sorting
the laundry, putting in the bleach, putting.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
You ask me for something, I could tell you exactly.
Go to the third drawer on the right. I can
test you this.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I literally will say this Susan when I met our house, Hey,
can I borrow a pair of running shorts to go
out and walk? Yes? In the guest room. Go into
the third drawer on the right. Behind the black box
are three pairs. I swear to god, she's not lying.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
It's same with the eyeliner. Somebody needs top drawer centered,
not on the other side.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Third row back the third because the first two rows
are black and then brown the third six.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Okay, all right, anyhow, Oh my god, that was Those.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Are good good Hey Anonymous, good luck with your daughter.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, you gotta be real.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
If it's really stressful. Then some people can turn the
other cheek. I admire people like this, Kathy. Some people
can roll and not let it bother. It's not their problem.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
They just do what they do. I can't do that.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I wasn't built that way.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I have one more quick straight before we move on
to our our last Golden Spotlight segment. When we were
on the cruise, I swear to God, people, I'm not joking.
You walked into Susan's room. I was like, is anyone
say every day?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
She said?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Every day you'd walk into a room. There was nothing
in sight. It was like, Susan, are you sleeping here?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Like?
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Everything is packed in neat, tidy bags, in drawers, in
put away. Ever put it away. That's Susan's You know,
what are your tombstone? Sus And I'm going to tell
your children Susan knowles.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
She always put it away, always put it away. Everything
has a home.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Oh that's right, everything has a home. All right, let's
move on there.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Okay, Now we're going to be doing a Golden Spotlight
where we discuss something that is impacting the Golden community.
Today's Golden Spotlight is all about life in an empty nest.
What is the transition like going from having kids in
the house and being a full time parent to when
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your children have their own lives and families. What are
the pros and cons and how did you get through
that tree? Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Most people have tears and it's really hard. I did
cry when the first day, you know what I mean.
But I was like, yes, everything's going to be neat
like I leave it. When I come home, it's exactly
like I left it. You do miss them, but when
they come back and stay for a couple of days,
I go insane because as much as I spend time
(23:27):
with them, stuff all over the place. So some people
really really have a hard time. And I personally think
that they devoted their lives totally one hundred percent, as
we all do to our children. But I kept my
own life. Yes, I kept things for me as well,
(23:49):
and they didn't. They lost friends or hobbies or whatever.
Everything was about their children.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
So I'm in the middle there. I had hobbies and friends,
but I and I worked on and off, but I
raised my kids. And this is a very true story.
We were living in Austin by the time Caitlyn went
to college, and we had bought a big family house
and upstairs everyone there were three bedrooms, three bathrooms, and
(24:19):
a playroom and now our bedroom and the rest of
the living was downstairs, and we had a pool. And
I remember when we bought this house, I said to Darryl,
to my husband, this is going to be our family home.
This is where everybody's going to come back and bring
their grandchildren. This is going to be like the family
gathering place. When Caitlyn went off to college, I remember
(24:40):
Daryl came home from work every night. I was sitting crying.
He's like, what's wrong. I said, it's so lonely upstairs.
They're all gone. I mean, I couldn't stand it. I
would go from room to room crying because they were
gone and I missed them so much. Can I tell
you we sold that house? Oh, I don't know. About
three months later, he goes, I can't take it anymore
because I I realized they weren't going to come back.
(25:02):
My oldest son was living in Michigan, and then.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
He went to college. She was coming back, no Caitlyn.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
When Kaitlyn graduated from high school, she went to college
in California. Then she lived overseas for a while. Then
she lived in San Francisco, then she lived in New York.
And I've told you this when she called and then
she went to grad school in Boston, And when she
ever called us and said she was moving back to Austin,
I almost fell over. Kyle came home. He came home
(25:30):
after college. Douglas has never lived back in Austin. He
hates the heat, and Caitlyn took her like fifteen years
to come back. So for me, the transition, I will
be very honest, was very difficult. I loved I cried
at the end of the summer when my kids went
to school. My friends used to call me Captain Kangaroo
for those of you who are old enough to know
(25:50):
who Captain Kangaroo is. I loved being with my kids
and taking him to the park and museums and reading
to them. I just I loved it. So for me,
being an empty nester originally was very difficult. Now fast forward,
because my youngest child is thirty eight, I freaking love it.
(26:11):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
When you moved that it got better.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah. Oh, and in fact, I live in the same
home now that Daryl and I moved to when we
sold that big house.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
And I love it and kids never lived there. They
come and stay, period.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
They come and stay. One of the room's upstairs. I
used to call it Caitlin's room because she did live
in it for a while after college, between before she
moved to Dallas and then back to San Francisco. But yeah, no,
I just think it's like anything else in life. Transitions
are just that, their transitions, and it takes time to adapt,
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to create new arteries, if you will, for your life,
new interests, because now you have the time, you know,
to put yourself first, and that is the biggest pro
I think.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
And redecorate the room and take over the closet.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
And Susan, yeah, I mean you get to do things
for you and your spouse or your partner or your
girlfriend or whoever it is you or yourself. You get
to do some things you haven't had time to. And
then when grandchildren come along, you know, that's a whole
other fabulous sam layer.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Don't you agree, Kathy.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
One the kids get their place, you're over there a lot,
and you're helping them decorate, and you're helping them get
new things for the bathroom and all that stuff. It's
kind of exciting because it is starting a life.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
It's so funny you said that when I had the
big house. I love decorating it. I really did buying
things for it. Now my daughter comes over and says, Mom,
I really like that mirror. Take it. It's your furnishings
and things to my kids because they like it. They're
in a building mode. You and I are in a
do we really need this anymore? Mode? Right? That's how
(27:52):
it is, her one way this mode. Yes, yeah, so
I think that's the pros. You get to do things
for yourself and your spouse or your partner. You get
to create new interest, travel, do all the things you
kind of put off. The cons are. It's a new
stage of life and you have to say goodbye, you know,
to that stage of raising kids. And for some people
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that's harder than it is for others.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
It is, it is, but it's all part of life.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
It's all part of life. And now you know, I
wouldn't want to go back with you.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
No, No, that's why young people have babies.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
That's why we have grandchildren, so we can spoil them
and send them off.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Absolutely. I had a huge party here yesterday. Instell of God.
The things she says at our mouth she's so funny.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
But they're funny, but you know, might be.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
And she's just having the time of her life. And
when it was all over, there was a huge mess.
We cooked on the grill of it.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I don't care, don't you don't have to help me
clean up. It's all good.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
And I guarantee you, folks, if students in Philly and
I'm in Austin, but I will bet you you the
bottom dollar in my bank account, that if I went
to Susan's house right now, you would never know that
her family was there yesterday.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
You could have came last night. I don't go to
bed with it.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Oh God, All right, Well, this has been so so
much fun. We want to thank you all for listening.
Today we're going to be back again talking more about
our crews, talking more about Susan has a special visitor
at her home. We might want to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Company.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
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Bachelor Happy Hour, as we have new episodes coming out
every week and you don't want to miss I mean,
the things that.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
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Speaker 2 (29:43):
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Speaker 3 (30:13):
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Speaker 2 (30:15):
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