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Right after leaving the stage with Chris Harrison, Peter and the women are talking to “Bachelor Happy Hour.” Rachel sits down with Alayah, Kelsey, Lexi, Shiann, Sydney, Tammy and Victoria P. to talk about the endless drama this season and get their predictions on how it will all end for Peter.

Then, Peter on Madison revealing so late in the process that she is saving herself for marriage. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
What's up everybody? We have a very very special Bachelor
Happy Hour. I am sitting here. I feel like I
should whisper you guys. I'm sitting here backstage. It's women.
Tell all, I've just watched the whole thing. The ladies
will be coming through, and you know, I've got a
ton of questions to ask. We're gonna get to it. Unfortunately,
my girl Becca, she's not going to be here tonight,

(00:22):
but that's okay. I told her I would pick up
the pieces. She wants to be here. She's here in spirit.
She even sent in some questions for me, So I'm
gonna ask Becca's questions. I'm not going to talk anymore
because the first lady is coming up right now. First
up to join me on the podcast. I'm so excited
to talk to you. It's Sydney. Yes, how are you?
First of all, you look sunny, let me know, and

(00:44):
look amazing. Yeah. I appreciate that. But how do you feel? Um?
You know why I feel? I feel like a certain
calmness right now, I do. I feel like a lot
has happened over you know, an extended amount of time,
and I finally have had a little second to wreath
and for everything to finally happen and to move on.
You know, yeah, no, I mean today it was a lot.

(01:07):
It was a lot, but like for different reasons. Because one,
you know, you're like facing the drawing. It's a reunion show,
you know, like we all love reunion shows because it's
like you, it all comes to a head. You've seen
what everyone's saying at im right to Peter all that's
all that good, bad stuff. But it's the first time
y'all are seeing each other and talking. Then you have
to see Peter for the first time and it's been
three months ish. Then we had this conversation that needed

(01:31):
to be had that honestly you spearheaded. Thank you and no,
thank you both of you. Though no it's not because
of me. No, we have to give credit. Recredited is due,
because you know, we had the conversation where we talked
about race. It was uncomfortable, but it was necessary. And
I don't know if you guys know this, but you know,
Sitny and I had a conversation because of a lot

(01:52):
of hate that she was receiving. And I am one
to brush things under the rug. I'm like, okay, I
get a message, delete, move off. But that's not what
everybody does. And I'm acting like it's not an issue
and it's a problem. And it was you who made
me say, you know what, it is a problem and
we need to talk about it. So how did you
feel having that conversation? Right? So when we had our conversation,

(02:17):
I was just you know, we were just talking about what,
you know, looking up to you and what you had
to go through, you know, as the first African American
bout to read and being in this it's it's it's
hard for women of color. It's hard. And I'll say
that because I've lived this my whole life and then
now it being on such a huge scale I've had
to deal with. You know, if someone doesn't like you,
they go as low as they possibly can, and the

(02:37):
lowest you can go as someone's rights, you know. So
having this opportunity to talk about something that I'm so
passionate about and something that I saw in this and
I hope that changes meant everything to me. And I
just feel like it's my duty for girls that do
look like us to know that you can do this

(02:58):
number one and number two, you can rise about the hate. Yeah,
So absolutely see and that's thank you, thank you for that.
How did it feel when the women came running over
to you to comfort you after seeing some of those
text messages that they know that were directed towards that.
I keep saying text messages, those DMS comments that were
directed to you. You know, a lot of people will
say about the season that we didn't love each other

(03:19):
and that we were always so catty and against each
other but still questioned. But in that moment was a
moment that I had felt nothing but love from those
women and the support and the love means so much
to me. And you know, all the little Heheyanians that
were done in the past like that that made up
for everything, because you know, when you when you're hurt,

(03:39):
you just that love just means everything. And I think
that's important for everyone else to see, because we do see.
You know, your season has gotten and I've talked about
all the podcast, your season has gotten a lot of
heat for the girls being so catty and mean girls
and not just not having that unity and sisterhood. But
on the stage, in that moment, we saw the sisterhood.

(04:00):
And it's funny because there was a point today in
Women Tell All where Lexie said, you guys don't know this,
but like we all love each other. And I remember thinking, Okay, LEXI, yeah,
but in that moment, I saw the love someone's hurting
like I have heard through this and the things that
they actually finally saw that was happening to me. Nothing
but love, Nothing but love was received and I love that.

(04:22):
Yes I did. I loved it too. And I think
your mess not think, I know your message resonated with me.
I'm sure it's going to resonate with everybody who saw it.
And I just hope that because of what you spearheaded
that we can all be better and do better and
just hold each other accountable. That voice, and you know,
I this opportunity and this to say something about it

(04:43):
and have you there to just like support me has
meant so much to me. Yes, and I do. I
hope that it goes forward and we stop this because
you know, we're just gonna love each other a little
bit more. Yeses, we do. Yeah, so let's talk about
moving forward. Okay, So you just survived women, tell all
I survived. What is next? Paradise Summer games? Who knows? Rachel?

(05:03):
Are you interested in it? I want to find love.
I know that, So whichever way that that may happen,
I'm open to it. M skeptical of courtious because of
all the hate, but um, hopefully it gets better. And
you know, he knows, who knows what's going to happen.
But you have a support system around you, So I
think like, as long as you have that strong circle,
you can combat that hate even on the worst days.

(05:24):
But I know you're a hot commodity because this Bachelor
Nation world is small and the people are talking. They
want to know if you're going to be out there
on the beach or wherever summer games. Maybe you can't
give us ahead something I'll say like I do want
to find love in whatever way that maybe, um, we'll
have to see. So what do you think about the ending?

(05:46):
I have to get your opinion on this because we
saw tonight that Madison is clearly struggling. We saw Victoria
f goes home, and now it's down to Madison and Hannah.
Knowing everything that came out, because I heard your response
to Madison's the decisions that she has made as she's
navigated this journey, But how you really feel because all

(06:08):
y'all gave really politically correct answers, and I happen to
think I think what you said is right about her
being true to her like beliefs and her standards and
the commitment that she's made. That's beautiful. But you find
no issue in the timing of it all. I you know,
I will say, I think she may it may have

(06:31):
been in her best interest to speak about it before
she did, Okay. I think she waited to the absolute
last second and not rubs some people the wrong way.
And I thought if she looking back now, I think
she would have even brought it up before she did.
But in that I will say that I Madison is
who she says she is going to waiver no matter

(06:52):
if there's a fantasy suite or not. Madison's not going
to do that. And she holds herself to you know
what she's always been, you know, of her whole life.
So what do you think about someone coming on the
show like, let's just be honest and I feel like
I'm a Christian, Yeah, let's just be honest. The Batcher isn't, like,
you know, standing on biblical standards. So what do you

(07:13):
think about someone who comes on the show knowing how
the show is and then has comes all the way
to the end. Yes, you know, possibly taking somebody else's
place and potentially may leave for that same reason. Like,
do you think that's fair? Do you think that's selfish?

(07:35):
I don't think it's selfish. I think that Madison, like
I said, should have just brought it up before she
did and it would have gone a little bit better. Yes,
we know the show, it's not you know, their sex
is involved in this show. It's not a secret. Yeah,
and her knowing her you know views on that. It's
if you know, it's one of those situations where it's
just like what are you gonna do? You know, you

(07:56):
know you're in this position, You've gotten this far, you
love this man, and there's certain steps that are going
to be made with other women, and however you feel
about it doesn't really matter at the end of the day. Um,
but I don't think that she put him in a
situation to make it a decision. She was just like, Hey,
this is how I feel about it. Take it or
leave it, but this is how I'm going to feel
no matter what happens. You know, Okay, well what do
you think's gonna happen? You know, we don't know apparently

(08:18):
accluding to Christna, that is Peter. It's I don't know
what that means. You know what, Peter has had a
reputation for not being able to make decisions. So I
think it's a case of like he hasn't made his
decision yet, as in like between the women. Yeah, like
they're saying, you know, like he is unspoiled. She can't
be unspoiled. Well, how can it not be unspoiled? Maybe
he hasn't even design it, he knows. Thank you so

(08:40):
much for being here. I appreciate you and thank you
for what you did tonight. Yeah, thank you all right,
Next in the hot seat is she Ane, which I
am so excited to talk to you because I feel
like on the season we didn't see much. But first
of all, congratulations for surviving women till all think that's
the feat in itself. But you talk, you were getting

(09:00):
into it. You and Lexie had some TIFFs. I don't
want to get all messy, but I'm just saying it
was nice because I think we saw you very quiet
on this show. So how did it fill tonight? Sitting
up there on stage and really getting to express what
this journey was for you. It was honestly, so on
the show, I was a lot more quiet. I didn't
want to get involved in the drama because I was

(09:22):
there by my person. I wasn't there to start stuff
being stuff like I don't want it. But then you know,
that doesn't mean I don't have my feelings about situations, right,
and so you know, I'm like, okay at the tell
of like I need to express how I feel because
I didn't express any of that when I was on
the show, or you know, nothing was shown, and so
that's kind of yeah, that's kind of why tonight. I

(09:43):
just I just took it and I was like, look,
these are the situations and this is this is like
a real thing. Well I was here for yeah, please
be quiet so she can speak, Oh please? Yeah. Yeah.
So you and I were talking just a bit before
we got on the mic, yes for Bachelor Happy Hour.
So when Peter came to the show, yes, the only

(10:04):
time we've had him on. Actually we've had him on twice.
So when Peter actually came in the Flesh to Bath
to a Happy Hour, he revealed that he didn't pick
any of the flight attendants. He sent home three flight attendants.
The first night. But then he said there was one
that revealed herself in a very interesting way and we
never saw that on the show. So it is there's

(10:25):
something that you want to tell us that we don't know.
Um so I, yes, I used to be a flight attendant. Okay,
she's the one guy surprise. Um yeah, so I used
to be a flight attendant. It was a couple of
years back. But after night one and I realized he's
sitting all of them home, was like, uh, like I'm
keeping that a little like I gotta I gotta build

(10:47):
a relationship first before I hit like, do you play chess?
Because you were playing chess my bight and you were
winning because the three of them home, and I was
like and so when I told him like that I
was a flight attend it was in that kind of
matic scene. So we were sitting there, were having a
conversation and I was like, how are you doing good? Okay, cool,
but there's something I need to tell you and he's

(11:07):
like what And I was like uh, And I like
started like kind of having like a mini panic attack
on it's on my chest, like I've been laying in
bed staying up late about this, Like it's I just
I don't want you to think anything different about me.
And he's like, Jann, what, Like, you're really scaring me.
I'm like, I take this long break and he's like,
n tell me. And I look up at him and

(11:28):
I'm just like, I used to be a flight attendant.
He's like, are you freaking kidding? Maybe like jumped back
in his scene. He's like, oh my god, you scared
the crab out of me. I thought it was something
else and we just laughed and like talked about flying. Well,
he's still talking about it because he loves it. He
was excited to tell us. I demand him the other
day because I'm like, who is this mystery flight attendant?

(11:48):
And when he told me it was you, I was like,
are you kidding me? And he's so upset that that
didn't make the cut. It was so great, Like I'm
so sad that didn't show because there was a lot
of me crying and I was like, and that was
like one moment where I was like, Oh, they're gonna
show this and everyone's gonna be like yeah and anyway show.
I was like, great, Okay, fine, do you feel like
you have any regrets? Because it's it's one thing to
be in it all, yes, and then you go home

(12:11):
and then you watch where you were a part of it,
and then so much more of it back. Do you
feel like you have any regrets from this season? I
definitely could have been more aggressive, I don't you know,
it's hard when you're on the show. You try, but
that doesn't mean you get your way. Yeah, and I
definitely did try, but I could have been more like no,
like I need this, I'm going, you know, go go go,

(12:32):
rather than then being like no and okay, like yeah,
you should have been more aggressive. And that's kind of
one thing like I definitely wish I could have done one. Well.
I can see why you didn't want to be aggressive
because there was a lot of aggressive behavior, and I'm
I'm not really I'm not a person to just be
naggy like that. I'm just not like, I will put

(12:54):
forth the effort, but I'm not one to just be
in your face all the time. Go go, go go,
you know. So that was something that that was challenging
for me. Who are you close with from your season?
I'm actually really close with Tammy. Me and Tammy are
super close. I am so actually happy that you said
that because I love her so much. Watching tonight, it

(13:14):
seems like Who's friends with? I think at one point
I saw you kind of like consoling Tammy, but I
was like, Who's friends with? Tammy? Just seemed to be
so much build up an attack on Tammy, And I
get it, Tammy. Tammy made some mistakes she did throughout
the show. Everybody did right, and I think, you know,
I relate to someone with a strong personality and a

(13:35):
lot of opinions, and you know, sometimes we navigate things differently.
But it's really nice to hear that Tammy actually has
a friend of the house. I like, we talk every
day every day. You like about Tammy because it seems
I feel like it's it's lost in some of the drama.
But the thing is is that regardless of and it's
with that personality, like regardless of you, she gives you

(13:56):
the tough love when you meet. She's there when you're sad,
when you're up, if you need someone to talk to you,
she listens. But then she kind of brings you back
and she's like, Okay, have your moment, but also like
come back and you're better than that and move forward.
Don't like listen to the hate, don't do this, and
that's it's a great thing to have. Like, yes, she's
tender in those moments of where you need a good

(14:17):
friend and you should her cry on, but like she
also builds your backbone and she's like, don't be weepy,
like come on, and I think, yeah, you're right, and
we all need that friend. Yeah, and I think we
do see that. It's just so much happened after that
we forgot, because let's not forget. During Champagne Gate, it
was Tammy who was and that's comforting Kelsey and who

(14:39):
was checking to see if everyone's okay, and she was,
like hannah An said, she didn't, and she was really
trying to be the mediator and dissolve the situation and
the kind of find a resolution to she I mean, yes,
she's strong in her words, and some people just can't
take that for what it is without feeling attacked. And
I don't think it ever comes in a place of
being attacked. I think that some of the those moments

(15:01):
you know between Kelsey and Tammy and Sydney and Tammy
or whatever, and that at that in Costa Rica, it
was just I feel like Tammy was feeling attacked and
then that's when it just came out. Yeah, you know,
and I and that can happen to anybody. I don't
think that's a fault on Tammy. I told her. I
was like, you could have handled it a little bit better, right,
But that's with anyone into the learning experience. Yeah, so
you watch it back and you're like, yeah, that wasn't right.

(15:22):
I should have said it this way, And you think
she learned from this experience. Definitely good. Good for her.
So before I let you go, I have to ask you,
because we have no idea what happens at the end
of this is the first not a first that I
necessarily like, I want to know what's happening. So what
happens at the end of it? Where? What do you
think happens at the end of this season? God, I

(15:42):
truly don't know. And I've tried to figure I've tried
to like make equations. I'm like writing it down like
that Madison does this, and then and then Hannah Ann
does this, and then Peter goes home and Bob's crying
about Matt. Like I I've like literally written it down
and tried to figure out the answer. I don't know
because every time I see the episode, I'm like, oh no,
it's this and my whole thing changes. And when you

(16:04):
were saying that, all I saw was the meme where
the woman has the equation in the chalkboard behind her
and she's just more confused and more. It's that's me.
It's just I. That's all of us. Yeah, it's all
of us. Well, thank you so much for being here.
It's so nice to say, oh, okay, this is my
first podcast and I'm so honored. I love you some

(16:27):
more time. I literally all the time, and I'm just like,
oh my god, oh well, thank you so much for
being here. And that everybody gets to come in the
hot scene. So it's such a pleasure to meet you.
Half fun tonight because I know the afterparty's gonna be popping.
I'm ready for the pizza. Oh oh, I didn't know
there was pizza. Okay, let's go. Thank you. I just

(16:48):
want to say how savueous Alaa looks. Listen this sequence
suit and I'm not a big sequence for actually a
lie every since being Bastrett, it's it's it's what I
have throw with the sparkle. This looks amazing. Yeah, what
siyes are you whatever you want? Girl, I can't fit
the same thing. Listen, I keep telling everyone this, you survived,

(17:08):
Women tell All. I feel like a lot of people
had eyes on you, questions about what kind of went down.
There just seems to be so much in the air.
Do you feel like you got everything out that you
needed to say tonight? I feel like I did. I mean,
it's hard being in that. I know that I was
really kind of dreading going to women till all because
I'm not an aggressive personality, and obviously we have a

(17:30):
lot of aggressive personalities in our group, and I was
really nervous that I wasn't going to be able to
say what I had to say. But now that it's
all over and I can breathe again, I feel pretty
good about how everything happened. Well, people didn't attack you. No,
it wasn't about you, Honestly, it seemed to be more
more of the heat was on Victoria. Victoria P Yeah.

(17:51):
I mean I feel like there was a lot of
Like I said, there's a lot of miscommunication. There's a
lot of lack of communication, and I feel like a
lot of America and the girls in the house had questions,
but I do feel like we're able to kind of
address those, do you, because I feel like I still
have some questions, like, for example, did you really know
each other longer than three hours? Yes? Okay, that's just
seems to be the biggest one. Yeah, what to sum

(18:13):
up when you heard watching back the conversation that Victoria
had with Peter about you, Victoria p Sorry had with
Peter about you? Sum up your reaction in one ward?
I mean I was taken aback, for sure. I wasn't
expecting that. It was hard to watch for me because
coming into this, I did expect for us to have

(18:36):
each other's back. But I understand that when you're asked
a question and you have a feeling, you're going to
express that you're going to be honest about your feelings. Again,
I just feel like it was a lack of communication
going into that, and I wish that we would have
had the chance to talk about it before Peter asked
about it. Yeah, but we didn't, and that's unfortunate. Where
do you guys stand today? I mean, we kind of

(18:57):
just respect each other, like we understand that we didn't
communicate enough through this and that we want to both
move past this. We don't want this to define us.
To find the group of friends that we're in and
we just want to kind of have like a mutual
respect for each other. That's good. Yeah, that's very adult
immature of you. Yes, there doesn't have to be a winner,
a loser, or a writer wrong. We just respect each

(19:19):
other's opinion. Right. So, I have an important question for
you that I know America wants to know. Do you
have a job? Three jobs? And please tell them what?
Tell people what they are. I didn't realize my occupation
would be so interested in either, so the obvious. I'm
an orthodonic assistant, I model professionally, and I own a boutique.

(19:41):
Good for you, girl, Tell people where they can find
the boutique. I mean as well pubpe it on the
podcast boutique. I got these earrings from my boutique, so
we've keet access rates. It's me, my mom, and my sister.
We run it together. Good for you. So what's next? Well, first, no,
I like to ask this question because I've been in
your shoes before. I know what it's like to have
a sisterhood in the house, and you guys got a

(20:03):
lot of heat for not having a sisterhood just seems
to be a lot of cattiness. And then but then
Lexi was like, well, we all love each other, so
who were you close with in the house, isn't obvious? Savannah?
Savannah's my girl, man, Savannah back girl. We all need
a Savannah in our life and saying how like I
feel like as Texas girls as we just have each
other's backs like that, because savannahs from Texas to arrive

(20:25):
and yep, did y'all know each other before? No, we didn't,
so we met on the show. We're already have plans
to go at the rodeo to gain her performing at
the rodeo. She no, Liz was performing at the rodeo.
I'm almost I'm oh my god, I need to see her.
I am almost positive because the rodeo is what like
next week or something like that. In rodeos next month,
next month, the same time you. Rodeo already happened the

(20:45):
Houston Rodeo. I'm pretty sure listening is performing because she
used to live in Houston. She's so good. Yeah, I'm
obsessed with her. Yeah, I'm glad I could do you
that favor. Thank you, thank you for that. So what's
next for you? Paradise summer games? He's asking, I don't
think I'm fit enough for summer games. I'm not gonna lie.
I'm the cheerleader on the side. Cheerleading is a sport.

(21:06):
It's totally you watch cheers. No. I was like, I
could Matt talk you. That's a thing. Oh really my
sister did cheerleader. Okay, so I understand like the side lingo,
but I don't know. Everybody keeps asking about Paradise, and genuinely,
I have no idea. I feel like that's one of
those decisions I'm just gonna make when the question comes.
You are so put together, and I get it, like

(21:26):
I can be. I wasn't in pagets, but like just
being an attorney and like feeling you like you have
to be on, like you know how to turn it on.
I know an appropriate situation. Yes, I know, yes, when
you I know how to put on a show as well.
I get it. So my question to you is what
do you do to like let your hair down and
go crazy? Like are you ever not put together? Oh
my god? Yeah? I mean did you see me how

(21:47):
encounter drum about that? Yet? Really bored? Those are the
best moments. It was so fun. I had the best
day that day until everything kind of fell apart. But
I was just bored and I was like, you know what,
I've been in this house for three days. I'm gonna
get drunk tonight and I'm gonna have some pizza and
some cookies. And one thing led to another. I found

(22:08):
the pilot's hat and next thing you know, I'm on
the counter talking about the Mile High Club. I don't
it just happened? Well, you know what, you want me
to share a secret with you. One day we were
really like had nothing to do. You know how it
is like when you don't have a date and you're like, okay,
we'll like drink games or whatever. We started talking about tworking.
I feel like working was like so big, that's in
And I was like, do you know how to twork

(22:28):
on the wall? And so we taught everybody how to
twork on the wall, like that was like our thing. Yeah, yeah,
I don't know who I would ever twork on. I've
never even done it for my husband. Maybe you would
say apparely that now I started listening to this, he's
gonna be like, baby, I know what happened. But you
know what we used to joke and say, the reason
we're getting roses is because we're like remember that night

(22:49):
that we were all working on the wall. Oh yeah,
that's what we do in our one on one time. No,
Oh my gosh, your knows are like mine twins. You
guys is we're having a mom my hair. You can't
see it, but we're having a moment. It's like there's
something deep rooted and Texas spirit. Yeah right, it's just
a thing you've seen somebody from Texas. You're like, yeah,

(23:10):
I got you, girl, feel I got you? All right? Well,
is there anything else you feel like you want to
clear up? I want to say, gosh, yes, I listened
to your podcast. Oh when I called you Eliah not
even already does It's just something the Texas longhorn being
my spirit animal. I go boast like Bible, and I
went to a game shortly after listening to I'm like, yeah,

(23:32):
he's boring. Never mind, it's a koala. My new spirit
animal is a coal. So you changed it because of
what I said you First, I was like, yeah, Texas
Pride long horns. Then I'm like, no, yeah he's boring.
Did you call the Texas. No, I'm just good but
so well, you're close enough there except for the time
that he almost tried to run over the dogs. So
that was that was my that's your spirit animal. I'm

(23:52):
BiVO against Georgia. It's right, Georgia Boulda, Yeah, Georgia bulldogs. Okay, Well,
thank you so much for being here, and um, I
just wish you the best on your journey. We hope
to see you on something else. We'll see we want
more of you. In the pilot had tronk on top
of the counter. Hey, hey, we know she's in there.
She's in there, bash our fans. I have sitting in
front of me with a mouthful of pizza. Kelsey, Kelsey,

(24:16):
welcome to the show. I'm trying to think of where
I want to start with you. Just bring it all.
I'm ready for it. Well, you survived women tell all.
That's what I say. That's an honor in itself. How
do you think it went? How do you think you did? Um?
I think for the most party did. Okay. You know
I'm I'm somebody that can embrace my flaws. I can

(24:38):
own up to when I was in the wrong and
just make humor of it. And that's what I tried
to do. The thing about me is I did express
to the girls in the house how I felt about them.
I didn't talk crap in the interviews. So it's a
rare characteristic. I knew people knew how I felt about

(24:58):
them going into it, and we had most of everything
hashed out. Yeah, I think the girls that didn't do
that were a little bit more scared. So for me,
it was just kind of like, all right, let's see
what I've said everything I have to say. That's a
rare thing. I'm like that too. That's why that's why
I was controversial in the house. Well, because you said stuff.
I think so because a lot of the girls, you know,

(25:19):
would kind of say stuff a little bit, but then
in their interviews they would say more. So then it
kind of got a little bit more controversial at the
women at all. Yeah. I was talking to Sheen because
she says she's really close to Tammy, and you know,
I was thinking about this and I'm like, what went wrong?
Because that night at Champagne Gate, she was the one

(25:41):
who was like right there with you. Did you see
her interviews not at that point they turned later, but
turned later. If you actually paid attention because I got
now I was paying attention. She was talking about how
crazy I was in that moment, how Peter needed to
know and all this step So she was already in

(26:01):
the champagne moment. But it was a crazy moment Kelse Oh,
obviously it was. It was bat shit, but be honest,
I laughed and I actually took up for you on
the podcast because I was like, she's not a bully.
I mean, so it was crazy, but I was like,
you weren't a bully in that moment, and I hate
when that word, so for use I was. She cursed
her out? She did, but I think there in Hannah

(26:25):
knows this. The reason I was so heated in that
moment was because if she would have just left me alone,
I would if I didn't actually go up to her
and like continue to be mean. Yeah, Um, when did
you all become friends? Um? Honestly, it was on our
way down to Costa Rica. On the plane, her and

(26:45):
I sat next to each other both times, which never happened.
It was like this rare, godsent thing and her and
I just talked everything out and it was nice because
it was off camera. I know the viewers want to
see that. But I think even if we did it
on camera, it and have really been and maybe would
have been shown and people would have really cared because
there was so much trama going on. Well, I appreciated it, actually,

(27:09):
and I didn't notice it at first. It was Becka,
my co host who couldn't be here today. Shout out
to Becca. She noticed it. How you when Hannah Ann
came back from what was a three on one two
on one something like that, Yeah, you ran up to
her and you hugged her and we were like, see,
we can't all get along. But what's funny is people
it's this is the hard thing about the show because

(27:29):
my drama happened so early on and that was really
the first time, the first thing people saw of me,
that was their first impression of me. Yeah. So it
was like me trying to climb a mountain to get
people to see who I really was. Whereas for a
lot of girls, people got to see who they were
and then they got in a drama and it's like, oh,
it's just a bad moment. Yeah, But for me, it
was like, oh, well I can't get past the champagne thing.

(27:51):
Does that make sense? Yeah? So if you actually watched
the show in Costa Rica, Hannah and I had a
one on one girl chat, but a lot people dismiss that, yeah,
in their mind. And then I went crazy, you know,
with calling Sinny what I did. I got a little intoxicated. Yeah,
but that wasn't I felt like champagne Gate was so

(28:12):
big that you really had nowhere to go from up.
But like, you really went up fast. And I think
a lot of people were surprised at the progression of
your relationship with Peter. A lot of people like, whether
they liked it or not, that you went and talked
to Peter privately. Whatever it is, you and Peter had something,
and you made it all the way to hometowns. Yeah,
and I think people started to change on you. I

(28:32):
know the amount of hate I got from champagne Gate.
Some of those messages on the board were from me,
and I did out people on my own personal account,
and I got mixed reviews about it. Some people. If
you're bold enough to send the message, then you're bold
enough to let people. And I used to be able
to show the names on it. I blocked that out,
but even from match our Nation, I got some messages

(28:53):
like Hey, you're better than that. You're feeding into their
like what they want, You're feeding the whatever. And I'm like,
but I'm not because I'm not showing who it is.
But I also think it's important to put it out there.
So I'm really happy that we got to talk about
that tonight because good. I think it's important and I
think it was important too, And I'm glad that, like
you guys were so open about, you know, you're sharing

(29:15):
your own experiences because it's not always easy. And I
think as one person did, everyone else did. And it
sounds like you guys had talked with each other too,
yeah about some of the experiences that you're sharing. And
I think when you have that power circle of friends,
it really helps you combat this because nobody gets this,
no what you're going through. And I think when I
put those messages on my Instagram story, I had so

(29:36):
many girls that I hadn't really talked to that reach out.
It's like, this isn't okay. I get this all the time,
you know, kind of like all right, we didn't see
eye to eye, but we can level on the fact
that we know we're going through. So that was reassuring. Yeah,
it almost bonds you in a way. It does. It
does real quick paradise summer games? Would you do those?
I think I would like summer games more, just because

(29:57):
I'm such a competitive person. You didn't get to see
this because I was on all the Glam dates. I
would have loved to do tackle football, but I didn't
want the bruises. So I'm happy for that fact. But
I would have ran over some girls to know they're listening.
They're listening to this. Also, who does Peter pick, Hannah
Ann Madison or himself? I can't decide between the two,

(30:22):
so I'm gonna say himself. Okay, that's because I can
go back and forth every other day on Gray Picks.
Nothing wrong with it me too, Well, thank you so
much for being here. It's so nice to me. That
bottle of champagne. I wanted some of that. You didn't
pop that thing. Um, I don't know. I have like
champagne all over me. But all right, sitting here with

(30:44):
me now is LEXI. So I know something about you
that maybe you don't think that I know. I heard
you were the coolest chick in the house. That's literally
how it was described to me. They were like, oh
my God, Lexie's the coolest. I love that. That's awesome,
But I don't think I'm the cool Is that? I mean, like,
we didn't see a lot of you on the season,

(31:04):
but I felt like when you spoke it was like
very matter of fact. You were very chill. You didn't
seem to get like involved in the drama. Yeah, I
had a girl click y'all have y'all had a little click.
It's okay, we were. They called us the cool kiss.
We had a click too. I just I'm like, you're
in the house when there's thirty different women, Yeah, you're gonna,
you know, be drawn to certain people and they become

(31:26):
like your safe place in the house. Um. So that
that really was that group of girls. And we're just
very outspoken. Um yeah, farcastic as hell. Um. We just
joke around a lot with each other, like we have
very like self depreciating humors. Yeah. Um, And I think
you needed that kind of like comedic relief in the

(31:47):
situation we were in. Um. Yeah, let me ask you
this because I feel like after watching you tonight and
women till all, you you are opinionated. You're outspoken girl
after my own heart. But you tell it like it is. Yeah,
So watching as a viewer what was happening in the
house with the women, it was like insane. You know,
you've gotten a lot of flak. Yeah, was it really

(32:09):
that bad? It was worse? Oh, oh my god. I
think it would have self illuminating it. Well, that's that's
the thing is. I started to just like it was
almost funny, like how how have we gotten so far
off track of what we were supposed to be focusing on,
which is Peter. Yeah, like we're talking about champagne bottles

(32:29):
and friendships before and we don't who cares? Yeah, it
just started to get so noisy. I just wanted to
be like, like, what just happening? You just have to
last to survive that. So I think I didn't realize that.
I thought I was coming off like a crazy person. Yeah,
like because by the time we got to Coast Draca,
I had a hit, didn't I hit my mark? I

(32:51):
was like, that's it, I'm gonna say exactly what I
want um And I felt like I did that all
the way through. But I just I was there truly
just to find a connection. I believe I don't care
if I win. I didn't care if I went home
at night one that he wasn't my person. Yeah, but
it was so nice to meet you because I'm very

(33:13):
happy with my life. Yeah, and I want someone to
share it with you. That's the whole that was it
for me. Do you think that was your demise? Like,
do you think that that's why you ended up? You
didn't participate in the drama. He seems to like when
a girl shows emotion, you know, like almost confuses that
with depth. We see we talk about that on the podcast,
confuses the two. Do you think like that that was

(33:35):
probably why you went home? Yeah. I think it was
a multiple things. I definitely could have opened up a
little bit more earlier on. It was just hard, I
think with everything else going on, and a lot of
the conversations turned to what was going on with other girls? Yeah,
And I was like, Peter, I'm so glad that you

(33:56):
want to ask me, but I'm also not your therapist, like, yeah,
I'm trying to date you. Yeah, and we just keep
talking about other girls. So that was a little frustrating.
But I just I understood where he was coming from,
Like I felt for him. I wanted to give him
some sort of guidance if that's really what he wanted. Yeah,
and I don't think I would change anything. Like I

(34:19):
learned so much about my good and I'm even more vocal,
you know, like I have no problem just oh you
were vocal or you were vocal tonight, I said, Well,
like I was talking to she, I was like, what's
up with you? And Lexie? I mean, which I was
interesting for me too. Well. I was proud of her
because it was like she wanted to speak and have
her voice because we didn't see it much on the season.

(34:40):
We didn't see yours on the season, so it was
I was like, wow, you know, like Lexi's really honestly,
you should have spoken up more. Maybe you could have
narrated this whole season. We could have gotten through it
a lot more faster with complete synesis and thoughts and
you know what I'm saying. I mean, that's the thing
is you never know what's going to be in the show. Yea,
I was vocal, but I think I held back a

(35:01):
little because I was like, well, this is what's going on. Yeah,
and I just wanted to kind of ride it out.
I didn't want to be in the drama because that's
not who I like. Yeah, I don't get involved in that. Yeah,
but when it started to affect my time with Peter, Yeah,
that's when I was like, okay, we need to stop this,
y because it just felt like the train was going
off the tracks a little. You had a very interesting

(35:23):
comment tonight, and I keep talking about it because it
was almost shocking. It was a beautiful statement, but it
was shocking. It caught me off guard. You said, I
know it doesn't seem like it, but we all love
each other. When did that love come about? Because if,
for damn sure didn't come in the season, did it
pop off in the group chat? Did y'all slide each
other's damn the love fest come about? I guess. Um.

(35:44):
I mean, I'm the oldest of five kids and I
have four sisters, and we fight and we say whatever
we want, and we are honest with each other. And
right after we have you know, you can you can
hog and you can move on. Just because you disagree
with someone doesn't mean you don't have love for them. Yeah. Um,
while we were filming and where we're all at now

(36:05):
is a very different place, and um, we've all learned
from that. And we also you know, like I wasn't perfect.
No one was perfect. Um, and I think we just
have grace for each other now, um Hindsights twenty twenty.
I think you are and you learn from it just
you you know, like it's something you can never replicate.
It's a group of women that you know, no one

(36:27):
else in the world will get to know exactly what
happened in the house. We just have a bond because
of that. Yeah, that makes sense PTSD a little, you know, Yeah, yeah,
experience you bond. I'm interested in the gear from now
who all will be close because that's always the thing
that's probably it's guess we'll see real quick before I
let you go. Yeah, will we see you in Paradise
or summer games. It's a good question. I don't know

(36:49):
would you do it if you were asked? Um, we
need pay not say no, Okay, I mean I'm open
to it, you know. I think I had so much
fun filming. I love to this experience. Yeah. I want
to hear and see more of you. So all right, well,
thank you for being here, all right, sitting in the

(37:09):
hot seat right now, somebody I've been so eager to
talk to, missus Bammy, Welcome to Bachelor Happy Hour. Thanks
for having me, Thank you for being here. Now, the
theme of this is without struggle, there is no progress,
which is a tattoo that you have on you. So
let's talk about the struggle, okay, and hopefully there was
some progress after today, because congratulations for surviving women. Tell all,

(37:32):
I know it was a lot for you. I'm going
to start there and let you talk. How do you
feel like all of us aired out what we need
to air out? And I got my point across, whether
they wanted to listen to it or not, and we're
ready to move past this. You know. I feel like
you have that type of personality, like you can just
let things roll off your backs, don't really take it

(37:55):
to heart. I don't take offense too much, really, and
I think it's a waste of energy to just hold
a grudge on something. I what I do is I'm
gonna let myself do with it, feel the emotions, and
then get over it and move on. Why do you
think that the girls came at you so harsh? I
think because I am a very strong personality and the

(38:16):
loudest one in the room, and with that comes with
controversy and people are going to disagree with that, and
that's okay, And honestly, I'm glad I started a conversation
because I'm here to challenge people. You know, it's going
to be uncomfortable, man, I'm okay with that. Do you
feel like you apologize to people tonight? Because I feel
like some people came in expecting an apology from you
from either what they saw or what they heard or

(38:37):
I don't know what went down on the group chat whatever. Yeah,
I between me and Kelsey, we know the situation. Okay.
I'm not here to say face and apologize just to apologize,
like we've already talked about it and it's between me
and her and it's been resolved. Okay, So I'll go
off of that. Were you frustrated rehashing a conversation that

(39:00):
you guys already had off camera? Absolutely, and again I
think it needs to be said on camera and relived again,
and it does suck for both parties. You know, we
don't like to come at each other that way. It.
I do respect that these girls, and I think the
reason that why we all butt heads is because we're
all very dominant, passionate people. Do you have any regrets

(39:21):
this season? I don't really have any regrets. I mean,
I tried my best. What you see is kind of
what you get, and I'm not no matter what I think.
It looks villainous because I am the loudest person in
the room and I started an argument, but I could
have farted and he if he canceled the part cocktail party,
people would have blamed me for farting. You know, It's

(39:41):
just like because that was the person to blame at
the time. Well, I talked to she Anne and she
had nothing but positive things to say about you. Anybody
very yell, very close. Yeah, we are very close. I
love that girl to death. But what were you saying.
Anyone who knows you, Anyone who knows me knows that
I'm not a malicious person, you know. I mean, even
ask McKenna and kel think they'll say as well, I'm
not a nasty human being. We are going to disagree

(40:04):
with things, but that's the beauty of friendships, Like I'm
not going to agree with everything just because you're my friend. Well,
Lexie Cassette, she said, you guys all love each other absolutely,
and I think we were shocked, but we saw it
in a moment when we had that very serious conversation
where we were talking about being bullied and spewing hate,
and you guys ran to each other and came to

(40:25):
each other, and I was really really happy when you spoke.
I wanted to hear from you because I saw the
post that you talked about about growing up and how
you felt, and even something you said when you were
we talked about on the podcast when you were going
home in the car and you talked about and he
wanted a blonde trophy wife. And it rocked me, Tammy

(40:47):
when you said that, because I felt you, and in
that moment, I felt like you've been misunderstood all season,
and I just really want to give you an opportunity
to talk about that, and I also want to know
how this conversation and if at all, has helped you.
I am actually so happy. I wasn't expecting this, and
I'm so happy that you came on here and talked

(41:08):
about it, because I think for too long people were
getting away with these nasty comments, and it's it's a
hate crime, and it's not okay for people to hide
behind a screen and say these things who don't even
know me or know us, like they say nasty things
to us, then we would ever say to each other
that you said that. That's a that was a really
powerful point. Absolutely, and that just says more about like, yeah,

(41:28):
we are going to disagree, but I would I would
never come at someone's character. I would never come at
someone's like race or how they look. Um. I think
that when I did see this trophy wife comment, like, yeah,
throughout my entire life, I grew up in a very
Caucasian community. I wanted to be this all American girl
so badly. Yeah, and I could never be that. And

(41:52):
because I can't change it, I'm I'm as Asian as
it gets. Okay, Like, you're beautiful, Thank you guys. She's
literally shining. I don't know how they let her wear
this shirt on stage. It looks stunning your production, it
looks stunning, but it is against the dress code. I
was blinding myself with this top. But you like, you're beautiful,
And we said that on the podcast. I do, and
I like, And it took a long time for me

(42:14):
to get there. Like again, like I wanted to buy
all the clothes that these girls had and be who
these girls were. And I think for a long time
I envied I wanted to be blonde, hair blue. I'd
so badly, like I would cry my eyes out to
my mom and she's like, spin or your Asian, there's
nothing you can do. But I think that what you
said is so powerful, and even the social media post

(42:34):
that you had, because you are representing Yeah someone and
it's like I can speak about being an African American woman,
but I can't speak to what you went through and
your struggles. And I hope that even though we had
that conversation, that you knew that you're not alone. And
I hope it howers you to represent Yeah. And I
hope that I wish I heard this when I was

(42:58):
struggling with the racial thing when I was a kid,
because there is people like me out there. We're going
through the same thing. And it sucks when you feel
so isolated and alone in the sea of people because
no one else is going to be able to understand
unless they have experienced what you and I have experienced. Right,
But you're not alone. I know that. I love that.

(43:21):
I feel like what you said was so powerful, Like,
you know, we don't know who the next Batchelorette's going
to be. If you were asked, would you do it.
I mean, of course I would love the opportunity too,
because I think people just see this one side of
me and they they judge me on one minute of

(43:42):
time that they think is defining who I am as
a person. But did they forget like throughout the entire season,
like I was never that. Yeah, I'm not a villain,
I'm not a mean person. I have a lot of
composure to me and I have a lot of stories
to tell, and I think that I would love the
opportunity to become Bachelorrette. Well, I would love for the
opportunity for you to redeem yourself. So whether it's Bachelotte Paradise,

(44:03):
Summer Games, redemption for Tammy, Yeah, the redemption not even
like where I have to like change who I am,
but like the fact that people need to see the
full three sixty of me before they can chat judgment
you know, honestly they can on other shows. So right, Well,
I'm happy that you were able to speak to us
today and if you can hear your voice and see
another side of you, I know I have on Women
Tell All and then just sitting here with you today,

(44:25):
So thank you, Thank you for bringing the awareness because
it was absibly better. It was. It truly was. Thank
you for being so vulnerable. Absolutely all right, thank you. Last,
but not least, we have Victoria pe on Bachelor Happy
Hour in the house, in the house. How are you doing?
You survived? Women? Tell all you see. Here's the thing.

(44:46):
You were quiet. At first, I thought, you know, we're
not really hearing a lot from Victoria Pea. And then
Chris said, helloa on Victoria Pea, and then it was bam,
it was all on you. So how do you feel,
am Um? You know, I I don't like conflict and
I don't like confrontation, but I'm learning to work through
it and learning to grow through it and to confront it.

(45:07):
Had on and I tried my best to you about tonight,
and I think that and that I was, you know,
I'd better at communicating than than what I did before,
and that I I think I squashed a little bit
of it. Yeah. So anyway, like like Savannah had it
in for you, and I talked to Aliah and Alia said,
y'all have mutual respect for each other and it's kind
of like a very mature situation, which I think is
great because we don't always see that. We didn't see

(45:29):
that this season in viewers. So it's nice to hear
that you guys have reconciled and you're letting bigones. We bigones.
Savannah still has it in for you, but not everyone.
Not everyone likes you, right, But she said you talking circles.
So I feel like I want to give you the
opportunity to explain You're like, just like, be very matter
of fact about what it is. So I'm going to
ask you very direct questions. Go ahead, I'm ready. Because

(45:51):
did you guys know each other more than three hours? Yes?
Did you have fun in Vegas? I had fun in Vegas?
Where did you stay? I stayed at ship? Where do
we stay? Treasure Island? Right, Treasure Island? Did you room together? No? Okay,
two separate rooms? Is there picture evidence? There's picture evidence? Okay, yeah? No.
Shame and the fact that I knew her, I had

(46:12):
verbal wise at here that we knew one another. I
as far as being friends, I couldn't tell you her
favorite color, what her mom's name is. Yeah, you were car,
she drives, where she went to school, what she does
for a living. I mean, honestly, I know we weren't close.
This is what I'll equated to you. Look, you guys
are all close right now, but a year from now,
you're not going to be the same. Yeah, it's sad,
but we won't be on the same level that you

(46:32):
were before. So it's like we all went through this
experience like a paget. I know her, I've been around her,
but I'm not close with her. She's not one of
my close experiends see see how we cleared that up,
and just like that, Yeah, so what's next for you?
What are you doing right now? So? I work full
time as a nurse. I've been a nurse for the
last four and a half five years, so still doing that.
I don't think that reality TV. But I have a

(46:53):
future of Matt. I can't see myself. I can't see
myself doing that in the future, but um, I hope
that that of is somewhere in between. Well, that is
the most honest thing I think that anybody has said.
So thank you for that on this podcast, because you
don't see people come from the show and say, you
know what, I don't think it's a there's a future
in it for me. So you wouldn't do Paradise, I

(47:14):
wouldn't do summer games I'm just saying that I wouldn't
so my mom nom made me for the Bachelor in
the first place. I'm like, hey mom, yeah, hey mom. Yeah. Anyway,
but yeah, so Syndy nominated me, and this is just
this has been a great experience and learning experience. But yeah,
I don't I don't know it's next, but I will
say I'm I'm not. I don't know it's next, but

(47:36):
I don't know if I will do. You got to
think about it. I'm thinking about it, about it. You're
going to weigh out your options. Do you have any
regrets then? From the season, You know, I wish that
and there were times I wish I'd been more direct
like you and I I wish I had been better
at communicating. But I'm learning how to communicate better. I
am an empathetic person, and I think it's part of
my nature and who I am as a human being,

(47:57):
and it's part of my profession obviously, in and just
the way that I grew up to just kind of
like brushed off and give someone kindnes seen grace and
kind of take a hit and that, and I'm learning
that it's okay to see that for myself and it's
okay to have healthy confrontation and conflict and to work
through that. And I think it's okay to say I
made a mistake. Yeah, I own it. Yeah, I didn't

(48:19):
handle it the best at all? Can say that coming
from this opportunity. Yeah, and I did it. There were
there many things I'm like, oh man, I really could
have handled that different. And I've beating myself up about it,
and I've gotten hate mail because of it, and I've
really but it's been challenging for me, but it's also
been a growing experience and a learning experience through that Dinola.

(48:39):
Before this, Yeah, I never denied that were we friends. Know,
I'd say we were more acquaintances, but I should have
clarified more and I should have communicated more with her
and yours defense Peter doesn't always ask the most direct questions.
So that's why I was like, you know what, We're
just gonna go right to it. Wht it half the
way so any like everybody knows, there's no more questions

(49:00):
about it. It is what it is. If they moved on,
so you guys need to move on as well. And absolutely,
and I think I will say everyone move on, and
I hope that everyone treats Ala with kindness and respect
and love and generosity regardless. There's no side to choose
as far as I'm concerned, and we're there. Yeah, and
you know what's been great, Like women women till all
started off real high, like on a level three hundred

(49:24):
and five, and then things just kind of like died
down a bit, and then you saw that there was
this camaraderie, camaraderie between you guys, and I think that
that was special because as a viewer, we saw none
of that, and so I think all you guys all
was just like you know what, Hindsights twenty twenty. We
made some mistakes, but we all went through a shared experience,

(49:45):
and you're going to hold on to that. We were
all different and we all have our differences, but we
could all see it immunity and in hand in hand
say that we are that we stand together against tape
and against a better future. And um, I can like
buy con sibon gans. You know, I don't even want
to ask you another question. That was beautiful the way

(50:06):
you just ended that. I was going to ask you
about the season, but it's like, you know what, Yeah,
like let's just be better. Yeah, I think that we
can always see better. There's always room for growth. And um,
like I said, this is challenged me to be better
and UM, I don't know it's ahead, but I know
that this has challenged me to be a better Victoria Pee.
And I'm going to be a better human being, a
better spouse and a better friend and uh because of

(50:27):
all of this. So thank you for sharing that, and
thank you for coming on the podcast. Thank you. Now,
I lied to you, guys, and I don't do this often,
but when I do, it's for a good reason. I
told you my final guest was Victoria, but it's actually
mister Webber Peter. Welcome again. That's how happy are You're
becoming a regular? Yeah, what's going on? It's good to
be here. Thanks for having me. Can we have an
honest talk? I would love that. I'm upset why because

(50:51):
I was rooting for you. We were all this is
why I remember when we talked and I was like, man, Peter,
out of anybody who since I've been watching, I want
you to find your happiness and to find love. And
this season has been frustrating for me to watch, so
I can only imagine what it was like for you

(51:13):
to be in it, and I guess I just like
am frustrated. I'm frtrating for you. That's why I'm saying
I'm upset because you know, at this point, I have
no idea what decision that you made. And Chris Tonight said,
you don't even know what the decision is, which i've
as a lawyer and being logical, I'm like, Okay, so
that means maybe this is this, this is this, and

(51:33):
we can't figure it out. But watching this last episode
and you being so honest and forthcoming about how you
feel about who you are, it was very frustrating for
me to watch you put all yourself out there and
then to get this tidbit of information at the very end,

(51:55):
and I'm very curious as to how you felt about it.
Are you talking abo with Victoria, talking about with Madison? Okay,
so maybe I should like, I guess I'm more so
saying you have been very upfront and honest about like
what you're going through and how you feel, maybe even
to a fault, but that's like the beauty of you.

(52:16):
It's a gift and a curse. And for you to
get this information at the very end, which I feel
like doesn't allow you to fully have the right mindset
as you're going into week nine, which is insanely important
and just to set the stage for everybody. Week nine
is important, not because it's fantasy sweet week, and that's
what it's titled, entitled titled, it's that it's the time

(52:41):
that you get off camera to really get to know
somebody with no one else around. It is precious, precious time,
and your mind is all over the place for multiple reasons,
and you're trying to be sensitive to how everyone else
is feeling. But at the same time, you need to
kind of know everything, and you didn't until the very
last second. So I'm really curious to know how you

(53:03):
felt in that moment when you got that information that
maybe you could have gotten I don't know week one, Yeah,
I mean I don't know realistically if that's a week
once I have conversation, but yes, in a perfect world,
I definitely would have. I wish I could have known
that sooner on no doubt, because that made that week
the hardest week of my life, and that was not

(53:26):
easy at all. But I will say, like I told
all of the women from the very first night to
remember that the toast, I said, be real with me,
share whatever is on your heart. I don't care if
you think I'm gonna like it or not. Just I
need to know that and you need to be able
to express that to me. And that's all that Madison
was doing in that moment. Yes, I would have loved

(53:47):
for her to have done it way sooner. I would have,
but I can't fault her, and if I do, I'm
only a hypocrite of her sharing what was on her heart,
and she did it in the most There was no
one easy way for her to do that. Man. I
remember that conversation like it was yesterday. It was tough
for her and she was struggling and she didn't want
it to come off like she was telling me what
I had to do, But she was simply telling me

(54:07):
where would put her if I made certain decisions, and
that I have to respect. And I can't follow her
for You talked about her when she shared that information
with you about the ultimatum. Yeah, I don't want to
say ultimatum, but you didn't feel like she was giving
you an ultimatum. But she was sharing what was on
her heart in that moment in the hangar when it
was down to the final three. Do you ask yourself
the question, why didn't she also share that she was

(54:29):
saving herself for marriage in that moment? Yeah? Yeah, I
don't know why she didn't decide to share that with me.
I truly do. Whether it's right or not, I feel
like maybe that would have that would have meant something
to me. I actually agree with you knowing that information.
I like when we talk about it on the podcast,
I make the argument that I think that that information

(54:51):
was vital to you to know what decisions you were
going to make going into that week. Yeah. Yeah, you're right.
And I obviously her and I we have different viewpoints
on that, and that's fine, you know, we don't have
to be like in every single regard. But um yeah,
I wish she would have expressed that to me there,
and I think, yeah, it would have had a little
bit more gravity there, And um, but what are you

(55:12):
gonna do? She didn't. Yeah, so tell me audience, Well, Peter, now,
I have personally asked to be placed next to Barb
at the finale. I thought she was going to be
here at Women Tell All. She was not friends honey
barriers back in the day. Um yeah, So what happens.
Am I gonna be mad? I'm I'm upset because I

(55:35):
want whatever happens. I'm like passionate, So it's not an
upset like I'm angry. I like you. Yeah, you know,
I like you. I wanted to work for you, and
I want you to be I mean, you can be
happy even if you choose yourself at the end of this.
But I just like when I see what's happening towards
the end. I entitled our um he's thinking entitled I
titled our podcast for last week computer Kesh a break.

(55:58):
It was a subtitle, just give him one week loss answers,
no answers on Peter. It's it's and I say, I mean,
I've said it a million times. Things happen until the
last second, and um, apparently they still are. We'll see
about that. But yeah, it's just very difficult for me
in a lot of ways. Um and yeah, the whole
stuff with the fantasy sweet week, and that's just that's

(56:19):
set the tone for a lot of stuff. It was.
It was super tough. But I really can't say, like
right now, where I'm at, I am happy and I
am in a good spot, and so I'm not going
to be mad at the finale? Is that what you're
telling me? Am I going to be mad at this point?
Everyone has so many opinions and you can't please everyone,
is what I'm learning. So I don't know, but we're
talking about me. We're worried about me. Okay, big sis here,
big sis. Um, you know I think I can. I

(56:40):
can sense you know, some overprotective tendencies here, which I
appreciate and I love that, so thank you, um, because
I know you want the best for me. And um,
I'm in a good spot, so I think. Okay, I
think that'll be good. I can. I can hold on
to that. Okay, that'll get me through till the finale. Yeah,
come see, come see me though after that though, Okay, well,
and you're not what I says, you're not going to

(57:02):
You're not going mad about me not falling my heart
and doing what I needed to do. For sure, No,
I won't. I won't be mad at you for following
your heart, but we'll just yeah, well we'll put a
pin in it there now. What I will say about tonight, though,
what was really refreshing was how nice the women wore it.
Were you shocked? Yes, I was why, well, because I
mean I had never been in a room with that

(57:22):
many exces until then. I walk out, and I had
a lot of nerves coming into I just didn't know
how they'd kind of received me. You know, it's always
weird when you end a relationship and that's the first
time you see them. But no, I felt the love
like crazy from them and just really sweet kind words
of encouragement. That was really special and beautiful to me.
And I thought that was awesome. I'll say it was
awesome too, because the women we just know didn't really

(57:44):
get along and there seemed to be so much cattiness,
but they all could agree you were the common denominator
of what was good about the season for them, So
I thought that that was special. Like people can call
you indecisive, I've said it myself. Yeah, but at the
end of the day, whatever you did with them, because
of the way they reacted tonight, you did it right. Yeah,
and that was Yeah, that means a lot. Those words

(58:05):
mean a lot. I truly try my best to really
as much as I could give each relationship my full attention.
When I was with those women, and you know, seeing
that they kind of they saw that as well, and
expressed that to me that meant a lot, and I
could feel good about that. Well, I really want to
keep asking you questions, but you're not giving me what
I want because I want you to tell me how
it is. That's all you want. And I just I

(58:26):
just really thought we were on a different level, Peter.
I've been invited to come over to the family dinner
r on a podcast, So don't ask me when we're
on a podcast. We're noos here, what are you talking about? No,
but you do seem happy, and I you know, I
always wish the best for you, and I guess I'll
just have to wait till next week like everybody else.
It's okay, it's this truly might be the first kind

(58:48):
of unspoiled in a while, so you know what it
already is. Well, I hope, I hope they enjoy it,
and I'm sure there'll be no shortage of opinions, just
like the rest of this journey. But it's something that
I'll always remember and very grateful for. Well, at the
end of the day, I know you will handle it
well like you always do. Thank you, thanks for being here. Well,
you guys, that was women tell all, we brought you

(59:09):
some great guests, more guests than I even thought they
were going to come through here, and people were actually excited.
I guess they haven't been listening to the podcast. No,
but everything was great. It was all love. I really
enjoyed having great conversation with the women. I loved getting
some insight from Peter. And I mean, next week, you guys,
is the finale. I have no idea what's going to happen.

(59:31):
I know it's going to be good. I know you
better tune in and come back here. I have no
idea who's going to be sitting in the hot seat,
but that's because we don't know how it iss. So
stay tuned. Thank you for joining, and I feel like
I should say you're welcome.