November 21, 2025 • 31 mins
Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re back for part two of our interview with Cindy! We get started right away with a hot question we’ve been wanting to ask: What did Cindy’s daughters really think about Mel? She takes us through the conversations she’s had with her kids since coming back from the show and what she thinks her kids didn’t get to see. We also take things back to “After the Final Rose,” hearing from Cindy how she felt seeing Mel again and what she made of their final conversation. What questions is Cindy still left with? Plus, Cindy tells us what her dream guy looks like and how she feels about her love life today, then she shares some beautiful breakup advice with us. Tune in now and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, everyone, welcome back to That's Your Happy Hour. I'm
Jeus and we are back for part two with Cindy.
Let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I can't say anything bad about that man, I'll be honest.
Even you know, after experiencing what I did with him,
I thought he was a little short with me on
the hot seat, to be honest, that I didn't deserve.
But in general, okay, thanks, No, I think he's he's
a high quality guy. He's smart, he's kind, he's family oriented,
he's caring, he's funny, he's like I mean, curious. There's
(00:35):
I can't say anything bad about him.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
What did you No?
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I want I want to ask the same question I
was going to ask, what did your daughters think?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
If what did they tell you after they met him?
What did they think of him?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
That's what I was going to ask.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, question is Yeah, I'm curious why you want to
know that question right now?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Because because because you speak very highly of mel and
I'm just curious if your daughters felt the same way
about him.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
They did not. They did not, And interestingly.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Enough, now we're getting somewhere somewhere.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Wow, I would have to defend it after.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
This, So my daughters and my son in laws. Because
it's not just the gals that those guys are protective
of me too. They're protective of me right, and we've
been through several relationships, so they're no longer shocked to
see me with a man. They're no longer so overprotective,
you know, just because they don't want to see me hurt.
They really do want to see me fall in love
(01:40):
and be in love and understand that being hurt sometimes
going to happen in relationships. And it was a very
short time period, so they got to all meet Mel
and chat with him on their show. You saw, you know,
Sarah and I having a conversation and she felt like
maybe Mel wasn't quite there yet. But what's interesting, she's
the only one I talked to after they spoke with Mel.
(02:01):
The others when they hugged me on the way out,
the girls were hugging me, Mom, you know, we believe
in you, but use your discernment. And the word discernment.
All three of them said the same word to me,
and I thought, that's just crazy. Where's that word coming from?
In our family? Judgment is right and wrong. Discernment there's
no value statement to it, it's what is right for you,
(02:24):
and I didn't. I couldn't understand maybe what they heard
or what they saw with mel And I even asked
him several times, like how did I go with my kids?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
And I'm thinking what really happened? Because I could get.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
A disturbance in the force, so to speak, that there
was something up. And then when I came out of
the show and I had a chance to get my
phone back and obviously call my kids, they were like
who you know, they were relieved because they were worried
for me. They didn't think that he was the right
fit for me.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
All it was.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
It was unanimous and they're like, we would have, you know,
given him more time, and we could tell that he
wasn't as forthcoming as they would have liked to have
seen at that stage. But back to your point, you know,
maybe if he had been on the show and known
how important that time was, he would have experienced hometowns differently.
(03:19):
And my kids would have experienced a different male because
I know I know that they would they would love
them given more time, the male that I've known, my
kids would be thrilled with, But they just didn't see
it in that that period of time.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Yeah, and it is such a high pressure situation hometowns.
You're getting so little time to kind of meet the
most important people in your life. So I would imagine
there's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
You want to go that same question again, I wonder
now probably.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Actually maybe maybe. So ultimately you send yourself home in
that moment, like you get into like you you leave,
you get into the suburban whatever car that is.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Suburban, whatever the I don't know what.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I don't know what they're using.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Are you all right?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Do you in your in your gut, do you feel
like you made the right decision?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Okay, let me go back to that moment.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
So I'm on the doc having dinner, knowing that I
have to leave, and I'm you know, I try to.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Not be aware of any of the cameramen.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
And any of the the sound people and the producers. Right,
you just have to from the entire show. You have
to just pretend like it's your real life, because it is.
We're dealing with my real life on camera. But I
just became aware of I can't stay here any longer.
But how do I get off?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
You know? The way? The next step is for him
to give to read the fantasy card and for us
to walk off and go to the fantasy suite together,
and that's not going to happen. Do I have the
power to leave? Can I leave? Like? What can I do?
I mean, there's nothing strapping me down.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
But you know, in this mode, you're kind of just thinking,
you know, you were told to come have this dinner
at the table and you're having this conversation, and I
just knew I couldn't stay. And then the fireworks went off,
adding insult to injury.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
That was really you know, yeah I heard, yeah, of course,
because you're probably watching being like I went into tonight
thinking I'd be watching these beautiful fireworks with someone I'm
falling in love with, and what a shocking moment that
must have been.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, So it was chaos. It was absolute chaos. And
even though I knew I had created chaos for these
amazing people who are putting the show together, I was sorry,
but I wasn't going back, and I had I really
had turned corner and made my decision and just decided
(06:03):
that I want a long term relationship if I'm going
to put this much in at this stage. And he
still doesn't know then he's probably not my guy, very
very the heart. One of the hardest things I remember
ever doing.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Yeah, did any part of you after leaving Antigua regret
not going to the fantasy suite? Wish you had said
anything differently? It's okay, take your time so hard. No,
it's okay, it's really hard.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I have I have no regrets about going to the
fantasy suite.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I wish.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I wish nothing but the best for mel Mel and Peg,
and that's how I know what I feel for him
is very genuine, like that true love, the true love
where you know, as much as I want it to
be me, I just want them to be happy.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And I.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Here's something I learned a long ago, and I think
men and women have the potential to grow from this.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
But it's kind of a lot. Are you ready for it?
You're ready.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
There's there are people in our lives who want to
share time with us. Why wouldn't they. We live great lives,
we're fun to be around. We add, you know, color
to every situation. So there are people who want to
share lives with us, and there are other people who
will commit to us. And knowing the difference between those
two can save you a lot of heartache and a
(07:38):
lot of confusion, years of it. And I carry that
with me because I've been in relationships where they want
to share time with me and that's great, but at
some point, if you want to stick around, you got
to commit.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
And I just you know, I.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
See there's two different phases in people, not two different people.
I think you could still have somebody who wants to
share time with you eventually want to commit.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
But I just didn't. I wasn't getting that feeling from No.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Yeah, so should we jump to a fry?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Well before we jump to a fr So, I like
what you just said there, and like, I guess moving
forward in your dating life, how how are you gonna
figure that out when you meet someone? Like, like, what's
how do how do you know? Like how do you
know the difference?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
And like, yeah, I think I think it was my
roommate Monica. Monica be said to me, girl, do you
know the only men who are going to date you
want to be in a relationship? Like anybody who's seen
the show is going to be scared to date me
unless they're going to be serious. And you know, I'll
go there are buckets in my life. I still have
(08:57):
dating buckets. I have people that I'll date to have
fun and we'll go and do gallus together or football
games or fun things together, and I don't necessarily have
to be serious with them. But when I find someone
who aligns the way I felt like Mel was aligning,
you know, I wanted more. And you know, if the sun,
moon and stars ever align again, I'm going to want
(09:18):
more from that relationship, and it will beg the question
again at that moment. You know, if both of us
are on the same page, we'll move forward.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
But what if not? Will I still walk away? That?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I think that will be the biggest test, Like if
faced with the same situation again, will I still walk away?
Speaker 5 (09:37):
I feel like you will because you clearly are someone
that knows what they want and what they're looking for.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I would hope. So. I mean, that's sixty years old.
I think you you should have a better understanding and
not that things can't change, right. Things will change, and
every season of our lives, like next month, could be different.
But I know what I want now, and I believe
that I have judgment enough discernment enough so to speak,
(10:07):
to be able to predict what will be successful as
a relationship for me and my family moving forward, right,
It's it's you know, as a golden you carry the
responsibility of trying not to mess up your kids and
their lives and your friends even you know, how how
do these people? How would a new relationship, a new
(10:27):
partner integrate with the friend group? You know? Yeah, definitely, I.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Think I think you'll. I think you'll you'll know, But
what do I know? Maybe you'll make a mistake. Who
knows thy too?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah, okay, so let's yeah, let's jump to the to
a f R.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
We see you sit down, you talk to Jesse's kind
of everything you've been explaining to us, and then Mel
comes out. What was it like seeing him for the
first time and what I believe would be months months months?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, you know, I knew I had to come back
for that taping, and it wasn't until to tell all
that I realized, Wow, I'm gonna have to share a
couch with him. Yeah, yeah, and yeah, there was a
lot of trepidation. I didn't know how I would feel.
I didn't you know, I didn't I didn't know what
(11:25):
that would be like for me. And it's hard to
say that I was looking forward to it because he's
with another woman, right, that sounds a little creepy. So
I didn't want to, you know, be excited about sitting
next to him because he belongs to someone else and
I've got strong boundaries there.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah, it was I tell you.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
When I walked down on stage, grateful for the audience
response and especially those women, you know, and my kids,
that was great. And then from that moment on, I
kind of blacked out. You know, everything that I wanted
to say I didn't say, and what do you do?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
And I had to say what I wish I had
said that night. I think it's true, fuck yourself.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
That's a go fuck yourself over you.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
This is not what you would say, Joe, this is
what Cindy would say.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I actually didn't go to the fancy suite because I
don't even like you.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, yeah, I I wish I mail wasn't in a
moment where he would have heard me either.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
And I'm a big believer.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
That I you know, I'm not going to hug you
and slap you at the same time. And you know,
if if there's something hard to say, I'll try to
figure out a way to wrap it in feathers to
say it to you and make it kind. And Mel
just was in a mode that day where I feel
like he wasn't going to definitely wasn't going to learn
anything from me. Let's just put it that way. And
(12:56):
he came with his own idea of what happened, and
I wasn't going to change it.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Mel seems to really believe that going to the Fantasy
Suite and being able to talk off camera could have
potentially answered your questions and eased your concerns.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Do you You.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Don't seem to be aligned on that, Like, it seems
like you feel very confident that there was no benefit
to you going to the Fantasy Suite. Yeah, I guess,
Just how do you feel about that? Like, you guys
didn't really seem to come to a common ground on
that topic.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I feel that Mel wouldn't answer the question like would
the Fantasy Suite have changed your mind about making a commitment?
Nobody's asked him that, And if you do ask him that,
he'll deflect and say, but you know, you've got to
play it till the end. But if the Fantasy Suite,
if I felt the Fantasy Suite would have changed his
mind to make a commitment, then maybe, but he was
(13:58):
so adamant with me at dinner.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Are there questions?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Are there things like what happened in my divorce, what
happened in his divorce? Tell me the details of what
you know some of the trauma that you've gone through.
These are details that are very, very important. But at
this stage I knew enough about him that I was
crazy about him, and that would just be texture in
the relationship. It wouldn't change the direction of my relationship
(14:26):
with him, if that makes sense, does make sense? Yeah,
so I was interested in knowing the texture. But again
back to the comment of I'm not going to spend
time with him. I want to commit to him, and
he just wanted to stay on the other side of
the road spending time with me.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
And I'm grateful I didn't.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
End up with the promise ring that that does not
work for me.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah, and I tell you a little story.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And I'm not sure if I have permission from my
son in law to do this, so you know, forgive me.
I think it's I think it's good, very close to
my kids and to their husbands, and I'm so grateful
for their relationship. And my son in law shared with
me how important it was for him to be engaged
to my daughter and to move from that this is
(15:16):
my girlfriend conversation to this is my fiance, and then
he doubled down when he got to say, this is
my wife. And there is such a pride for a
man in some men, maybe in the man that I
want to be able to make a claim of you,
so to have this is my person and whatever that
(15:39):
vocabulary that's special to you. I love I love the
way that that feels to a man and feels to
a woman and feels or forget the genders, feels in
a relationship to want to claim them as part of
your life. And so that's the commit instead of the
share your life for me. Like whatever that looks like,
(16:01):
it doesn't have to be the wedding dress. It can
look a lot differently, but mel was was clearly in
the share of your life stage.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Yeah, we see on AFR that you express what commitment
looked like for you and the actions that you planned
to take to show that you were committing, which maybe
to some people's surprise, wasn't necessarily you know, an engagement
in a wedding you said I will move to you.
(16:33):
We don't have to move in together, kind of aligning
with that slower pace that he maybe as comfortable with.
We can develop our relationship in the same city, we
can spend time with our kids. And it was nice,
actually as a viewer to hear you kind of list
out those things of like, this is what commitment looks
like to me, this is what I'm interested in doing
for you and for us, and he responded with I
think he said that doesn't interest me or I'm not
(16:55):
interested in that.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Yeah, that's what he said at the AFR.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
Yeah, does that surprise you?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
It definitely did. I had.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Also gotten a comment from him, like, you've lived there
thirty years, you would leave your life. This goes less
to the commitment side as for me, and more to the.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Side of wanting him.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
You asked me before what I wanted to hear from him.
I wanted to hear that he had thought about a plan.
So this was kind of more about the plans that
we could do. This wasn't like this is what we
have to do step one, step two. But I told
him I was definitely willing to live in California. I'd
still have roots in Austin, I'd still have my friends
at Austin. I'd still go back to Austin. It's you know,
(17:46):
I could still figure out what life would look like
that way, but I would be willing to make those steps.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
And he had nothing else for me.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Had he had no idea of, you know, other than
I've got to get two years down the road to
get my boys, you know, out of you know, situated.
And by the way I've been through that process with
the kids and I you know, I might be able
to help you with a thing or two. I think
my kids turned out pretty spectacular, not without bumps, but
(18:17):
you might want to align yourself with somebody who could
help you with that and not intrude with it, but
integrate into it. And I just don't think he had
thought about it.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it seems that way. I really
like you're the way you're thinking about this entire situation.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
If you or my mother, that would have been the
advice I would have given you going on the show,
because it's like the show is great and it works
and it's yeah, yeah, it's love this that, But like
when you get off the show, like you do need
to have a plan because like if you don't, it's
not going to work. Like we see it all the
time where people are like, oh shit, like we live
(18:59):
in different in cities and we you know, and then
like you know, within within three four months of being separated,
it just doesn't work.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
So like, yeah, you have to keep the momentum from
the show going. And once the show's done, it's not
on the date, producers or the you know, the director, anyone.
It's on you to figure it out how to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, and I think you.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
I think you really went about this whole process the
right way. You know, you didn't end up getting the
happy ending that you want it, but like you shouldn't
have any regrets because I do think you did it
the right way.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Yeah, I agree. I also think the happy and it's.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Coming from you, I've been very successful on the.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I really, I really that needs the world to me.
Thank you for saying that, especially from a male's perspective too.
I think you're for saying that.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Of course, I think that the happy ending you're looking
for potentially wasn't on the table in this situation. I
don't think and I don't think it was the guy
that was meant for you either, But I feel like
you're definitely gonna. You're gonna find it. For sure, You're
gonna You're gonna everything that you're looking for because you're
not asking for too much. You're not asking for a miracle.
(20:06):
It's it's very practical.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Okay, So what what is what is next for you?
What's dating life look like?
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Mm hmm. I'm just free for a week and I
got my first day out. I got that day. There
is hope, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I'm not sure, and there might be a period of
time where I just go and have fun with my
friends and see what happens. I think dating apps developed
some bad habits, and I don't see myself back on
a dating app necessarily to find men, So I don't
know how I'm.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Gonna bump into them. I'm waiting for the universe to
help me out a little bit with that. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I'm just gonna continue to be me and I've gone
through phases of my life where and this might be
another one. It's okay just to be Cindi pooh. I'm
telling you my life is pretty spectacular. And if a
man snuggles up to me and we could make it work,
that's great. But other than that, I'm not gonna wait
or change my life. I mean, I've got I've already
(21:24):
been to several football games and concerts and dinners, and
you know, two trips, three trips to La I see
you get my kids all the time. My life won't
change that way. I just really was hoping that I
could have come out of this with a partner.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
What would your daughters love? What kind of guy would
your daughters love to see you with if they could
build their dreamman for you? What would he be like?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Somebody who uses a few more words they I mean,
definitely sports are a big.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Part of my life.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
So somebody who enjoys watching sports, going to sports concerts,
who's active, likes to travel, but is family focused, like
consider around and do a puzzle. Who could you know,
have deep conversations. I'd love somebody plays golf because my
son in laws like to play golf.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
That'd be fun. Give more time for the girls.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Just somebody who could just more easily integrate into our
life and is willing to share their life with us.
And I think that they've seen me go through several
relationships where there's a partition between you know, especially when
it comes to kids and time with kids. Like, well,
maybe you go see your kids this weekend and I'll
go see my kids the same weekend. And I think,
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you know, I want something we could do it all together.
And yeah, I'm not sure. That's a great question. I
might have to figure that out.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Stay tuned. Ask me in a couple of months how
it's going.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Would you ever consider being the Golden Batcherette if they
asked you.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Do you think they could find thirty hot guys for me?
Speaker 4 (23:00):
I hope so at least I mean at least at
least seven.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
You don't need to pick one.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yes, but you'd have to be able to commit. That's
the whole question.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
I think there's a lot of women who deserve to
find love out there in our golden years.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
And I think the bigger.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Question is, you know, what is it that the show
can yield and what can it show either goldens or
youngers or the whole world about this process, this stage
of our life, right, And so I think we need
to think about the next Golden Bachelor or bachelorette from
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that frame and then find somebody that you could build,
you know, stories around, And of course it'd be great
to show great dresses and great great trips and great people,
but you know what do we really want to highlight
in those you know and showing this dating life and
in these decisions that we go through from Golden's and
(23:59):
what's interesting, Like I have some breakup advice? For example,
can I give you some break of advice, you puss,
because I literally my kids reminded me of this the
other day when they were in middle school. One of
their friends broke up with the first boyfriend.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
And she was just sad.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
We were sitting on they were sitting on the couch
and I was like trying to pep them up. And
I came down and you know, this is the first
boyfriend they've ever had, And I said, you know, there's
there's three steps to getting over a broken heart. And
they were like, oh, tell me more, you know, wise woman,
And I said three steps, three steps. I was making
it up on the fly, but it's true. Step one,
(24:34):
you gotta cry. You got to feel those feelings and
get through it.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I've been doing that in my life. Step two, you
got to organize your sock drawer. And I mean this
because there's a lot of stuff that while you're in
a relationship you don't do you maybe neglect some friends.
Maybe you aren't paying attention because you're you know, you're
spending time in their relationship. So get back to organizing
your sock drawer and taking care of those things that
(25:01):
you may have neglected. And then the third is buy
a puppy. And I don't mean by a puppy, I
mean go find your happiness again, Go find your joy.
That's great, right now, I love somewhere between organizing my
sock jour and buying a puppy.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Well, that you made that up on the spot. I mean,
that's that's very wise.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
It stuck.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
And so people think that I was so staged and so,
you know, performative on the show.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I'm like, oh, really, that's kind of how I that's
kind of how I talk.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
I didn't find that's good.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Let's real quick. I want to just like circle back.
Did you watch the Women Tell All?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I did?
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Was there anything that came out during the Women Tell
All that shocked you that you didn't that you didn't
know about?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Oh gosh, give me some options or what I might
have been shot?
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I guess, well, like what was the big I guess
the big part of Women Tell All?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Was the beginning with Nicole, all the Nicole drama or
you know, like regarding yeah Nicole Debby, listen.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Let me just first of all, Nicole is a good
friend of mine and we were early friends and were
good friends.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
And I taste great.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
By the way, we had her on the podcast, and
she's great.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
She I tasted the lemon bars. She could take full
credit for him. They were not anything about there is
a hot take for you.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Oh my god, that's so fun.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I love that. Nicole. If you're listening, you better work
on those lemon bars.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Well, you know, to be fair, she had none of
her recipes with her, so yeah, she's doing it on
the fly.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Maybe that's why Mel sent her home. He was like, ah,
these did love to the Hype's time to cut her.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Now my bowlet as you could ask the crew about
my bowlot as it was a pretty big hit.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Really, how do you do? How do you can you
give me a quick how do you make it?
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Joe's Italian?
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Oh you too?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Okay, So we were dealing with mansion food. Okay, So
I only had ground beef. I would normally do several
different types of ground lamb, pork, maybe bison, something like that,
depending on how much. And then you got to cut
your your carrots and your celery very small, dice like.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Almost an onion. You don't do onion as well.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
I do less onion than you think.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Okay, that's good for you. You don't really like onion.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I used onion, yes, and I seed up really big,
I mean really small, and you just cook it down,
just cook it down more than you think.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
And you know, tomato paste.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
It is really whatever the mansion had we had to
throw in there and just kind of play with it.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
So we got lucky. But it was pretty tasty.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
For no recipe and no strong ingredients turned out. Okay,
I put a lot of parmesan on the top and
it was perfect.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
That's the key, Yeah, that is the key.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
To end this podcast on a positive note. Can you
tell us kind of of one of your favorite memories
from being on the show and what you'll take away
from it?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yeah? Yeah, oh wow, Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
One of my favorite memories was being in my room
and my roommates are Alessandra, Alex Lever, Diane, Hello, funniest woman,
Monica Be, and Terry.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I mean Monica Be, this woman.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
She would keep me up all night with just loved
our soft conversations, great room, but the bathroom that we had,
I'm really hopeful for this makeover, this mansion makeover. I
can't wait to see it. My bathroom had a mirror
about this big. It was tiny, and it was mounted
so high, so my beautiful tall Monica be could see
herself just perfectly. I saw literally this much of my face,
(28:48):
and it was so I never knew how I looked,
and so I always relied on my women to make
sure everything was tucked in, to make sure things were right.
And that's why it was really devastating to me when
they my room, when everyone from my room was sent
home and the big tier it's getting real, this one,
it's getting real, was because not because of Mel, but
(29:10):
that was because it's getting real because I had to
focus on Mel because it could no longer be just
about those friendships.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Yeah, that mansion needs a makeover. It's long overdue, and
I'm so excited to see it. And I hope that
they included some big ass mirrors because.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
The girls deserve that.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
I need them, We need them.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, and I also my next door so I was
usually the first one up with the last one to
go to bed. The last one to go to bed
means I just would go listen to rooms and see.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Who's still awake.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
And the party room was always Robin, Jerry, Carrol, and Amy.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Oh my gosh. I think that's why I'm so incredibly
close to them. I'd knock on the door. You can't
walk across the floor.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Jerry's like, come over here, come come by in my
bed with me, like I'll be impaled by a high heel.
So Robin was closed as I'm like, scoot over, Robin. Yeah,
it's just some of our favorite memories. We're late into
the night just talking and getting to know each other,
and we all live by ourselves. We're grown ass women,
and we got to go back and live with some
other women with like minded and it was a privilege.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Oh that's so fun.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Well, Cindy, this was really great. It was lovely.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Getting to meet you and talk to you. And I
think you're going to be just fine. You're probably gonna
find a guy like tonight. So yeah, thank you for
taking the time and coming on our podcast.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
You guys do such a lovely job, and you really
bring out some interesting aspects to the whole story behind
what is the Bachelor story? And I thank you for
that because it's really compelling and it's really important. It's
the single most important thing you could do is pick
your partner.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Thank thank you so much, and thank you to our listeners.
Thank you guys for tuning in to Better Happy Hour.
Make sure you download and subscribe to the podcast.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
We have new and exclusive interviews for you every single week.
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Bye h
Hey, everyone, welcome back to That's Your Happy Hour. I'm
Jeus and we are back for part two with Cindy.
Let's get into it.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I can't say anything bad about that man, I'll be honest.
Even you know, after experiencing what I did with him,
I thought he was a little short with me on
the hot seat, to be honest, that I didn't deserve.
But in general, okay, thanks, No, I think he's he's
a high quality guy. He's smart, he's kind, he's family oriented,
he's caring, he's funny, he's like I mean, curious. There's
(00:35):
I can't say anything bad about him.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
What did you No?
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I want I want to ask the same question I
was going to ask, what did your daughters think?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
If what did they tell you after they met him?
What did they think of him?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
That's what I was going to ask.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, question is Yeah, I'm curious why you want to
know that question right now?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Because because because you speak very highly of mel and
I'm just curious if your daughters felt the same way
about him.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
They did not. They did not, And interestingly.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Enough, now we're getting somewhere somewhere.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Wow, I would have to defend it after.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
This, So my daughters and my son in laws. Because
it's not just the gals that those guys are protective
of me too. They're protective of me right, and we've
been through several relationships, so they're no longer shocked to
see me with a man. They're no longer so overprotective,
you know, just because they don't want to see me hurt.
They really do want to see me fall in love
(01:40):
and be in love and understand that being hurt sometimes
going to happen in relationships. And it was a very
short time period, so they got to all meet Mel
and chat with him on their show. You saw, you know,
Sarah and I having a conversation and she felt like
maybe Mel wasn't quite there yet. But what's interesting, she's
the only one I talked to after they spoke with Mel.
(02:01):
The others when they hugged me on the way out,
the girls were hugging me, Mom, you know, we believe
in you, but use your discernment. And the word discernment.
All three of them said the same word to me,
and I thought, that's just crazy. Where's that word coming from?
In our family? Judgment is right and wrong. Discernment there's
no value statement to it, it's what is right for you,
(02:24):
and I didn't. I couldn't understand maybe what they heard
or what they saw with mel And I even asked
him several times, like how did I go with my kids?
Speaker 3 (02:32):
And I'm thinking what really happened? Because I could get.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
A disturbance in the force, so to speak, that there
was something up. And then when I came out of
the show and I had a chance to get my
phone back and obviously call my kids, they were like
who you know, they were relieved because they were worried
for me. They didn't think that he was the right
fit for me.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
All it was.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
It was unanimous and they're like, we would have, you know,
given him more time, and we could tell that he
wasn't as forthcoming as they would have liked to have
seen at that stage. But back to your point, you know,
maybe if he had been on the show and known
how important that time was, he would have experienced hometowns differently.
(03:19):
And my kids would have experienced a different male because
I know I know that they would they would love
them given more time, the male that I've known, my
kids would be thrilled with, But they just didn't see
it in that that period of time.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Yeah, and it is such a high pressure situation hometowns.
You're getting so little time to kind of meet the
most important people in your life. So I would imagine
there's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
You want to go that same question again, I wonder
now probably.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Actually maybe maybe. So ultimately you send yourself home in
that moment, like you get into like you you leave,
you get into the suburban whatever car that is.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Suburban, whatever the I don't know what.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
I don't know what they're using.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Are you all right?
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Do you in your in your gut, do you feel
like you made the right decision?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Okay, let me go back to that moment.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
So I'm on the doc having dinner, knowing that I
have to leave, and I'm you know, I try to.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Not be aware of any of the cameramen.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
And any of the the sound people and the producers. Right,
you just have to from the entire show. You have
to just pretend like it's your real life, because it is.
We're dealing with my real life on camera. But I
just became aware of I can't stay here any longer.
But how do I get off?
Speaker 3 (04:55):
You know? The way? The next step is for him
to give to read the fantasy card and for us
to walk off and go to the fantasy suite together,
and that's not going to happen. Do I have the
power to leave? Can I leave? Like? What can I do?
I mean, there's nothing strapping me down.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
But you know, in this mode, you're kind of just thinking,
you know, you were told to come have this dinner
at the table and you're having this conversation, and I
just knew I couldn't stay. And then the fireworks went off,
adding insult to injury.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
That was really you know, yeah I heard, yeah, of course,
because you're probably watching being like I went into tonight
thinking I'd be watching these beautiful fireworks with someone I'm
falling in love with, and what a shocking moment that
must have been.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, So it was chaos. It was absolute chaos. And
even though I knew I had created chaos for these
amazing people who are putting the show together, I was sorry,
but I wasn't going back, and I had I really
had turned corner and made my decision and just decided
(06:03):
that I want a long term relationship if I'm going
to put this much in at this stage. And he
still doesn't know then he's probably not my guy, very
very the heart. One of the hardest things I remember
ever doing.
Speaker 5 (06:18):
Yeah, did any part of you after leaving Antigua regret
not going to the fantasy suite? Wish you had said
anything differently? It's okay, take your time so hard. No,
it's okay, it's really hard.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I have I have no regrets about going to the
fantasy suite.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I wish.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
I wish nothing but the best for mel Mel and Peg,
and that's how I know what I feel for him
is very genuine, like that true love, the true love
where you know, as much as I want it to
be me, I just want them to be happy.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And I.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Here's something I learned a long ago, and I think
men and women have the potential to grow from this.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
But it's kind of a lot. Are you ready for it?
You're ready.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
There's there are people in our lives who want to
share time with us. Why wouldn't they. We live great lives,
we're fun to be around. We add, you know, color
to every situation. So there are people who want to
share lives with us, and there are other people who
will commit to us. And knowing the difference between those
two can save you a lot of heartache and a
(07:38):
lot of confusion, years of it. And I carry that
with me because I've been in relationships where they want
to share time with me and that's great, but at
some point, if you want to stick around, you got
to commit.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
And I just you know, I.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
See there's two different phases in people, not two different people.
I think you could still have somebody who wants to
share time with you eventually want to commit.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
But I just didn't. I wasn't getting that feeling from No.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Yeah, so should we jump to a fry?
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Well before we jump to a fr So, I like
what you just said there, and like, I guess moving
forward in your dating life, how how are you gonna
figure that out when you meet someone? Like, like, what's
how do how do you know? Like how do you
know the difference?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
And like, yeah, I think I think it was my
roommate Monica. Monica be said to me, girl, do you
know the only men who are going to date you
want to be in a relationship? Like anybody who's seen
the show is going to be scared to date me
unless they're going to be serious. And you know, I'll
go there are buckets in my life. I still have
(08:57):
dating buckets. I have people that I'll date to have
fun and we'll go and do gallus together or football
games or fun things together, and I don't necessarily have
to be serious with them. But when I find someone
who aligns the way I felt like Mel was aligning,
you know, I wanted more. And you know, if the sun,
moon and stars ever align again, I'm going to want
(09:18):
more from that relationship, and it will beg the question
again at that moment. You know, if both of us
are on the same page, we'll move forward.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
But what if not? Will I still walk away? That?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I think that will be the biggest test, Like if
faced with the same situation again, will I still walk away?
Speaker 5 (09:37):
I feel like you will because you clearly are someone
that knows what they want and what they're looking for.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I would hope. So. I mean, that's sixty years old.
I think you you should have a better understanding and
not that things can't change, right. Things will change, and
every season of our lives, like next month, could be different.
But I know what I want now, and I believe
that I have judgment enough discernment enough so to speak,
(10:07):
to be able to predict what will be successful as
a relationship for me and my family moving forward, right,
It's it's you know, as a golden you carry the
responsibility of trying not to mess up your kids and
their lives and your friends even you know, how how
do these people? How would a new relationship, a new
(10:27):
partner integrate with the friend group? You know? Yeah, definitely, I.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Think I think you'll. I think you'll you'll know, But
what do I know? Maybe you'll make a mistake. Who
knows thy too?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah, okay, so let's yeah, let's jump to the to
a f R.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
We see you sit down, you talk to Jesse's kind
of everything you've been explaining to us, and then Mel
comes out. What was it like seeing him for the
first time and what I believe would be months months months?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, you know, I knew I had to come back
for that taping, and it wasn't until to tell all
that I realized, Wow, I'm gonna have to share a
couch with him. Yeah, yeah, and yeah, there was a
lot of trepidation. I didn't know how I would feel.
I didn't you know, I didn't I didn't know what
(11:25):
that would be like for me. And it's hard to
say that I was looking forward to it because he's
with another woman, right, that sounds a little creepy. So
I didn't want to, you know, be excited about sitting
next to him because he belongs to someone else and
I've got strong boundaries there.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah, it was I tell you.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
When I walked down on stage, grateful for the audience
response and especially those women, you know, and my kids,
that was great. And then from that moment on, I
kind of blacked out. You know, everything that I wanted
to say I didn't say, and what do you do?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
And I had to say what I wish I had
said that night. I think it's true, fuck yourself.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
That's a go fuck yourself over you.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
This is not what you would say, Joe, this is
what Cindy would say.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I actually didn't go to the fancy suite because I
don't even like you.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah, yeah, I I wish I mail wasn't in a
moment where he would have heard me either.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
And I'm a big believer.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
That I you know, I'm not going to hug you
and slap you at the same time. And you know,
if if there's something hard to say, I'll try to
figure out a way to wrap it in feathers to
say it to you and make it kind. And Mel
just was in a mode that day where I feel
like he wasn't going to definitely wasn't going to learn
anything from me. Let's just put it that way. And
(12:56):
he came with his own idea of what happened, and
I wasn't going to change it.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Mel seems to really believe that going to the Fantasy
Suite and being able to talk off camera could have
potentially answered your questions and eased your concerns.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Do you You.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Don't seem to be aligned on that, Like, it seems
like you feel very confident that there was no benefit
to you going to the Fantasy Suite. Yeah, I guess,
Just how do you feel about that? Like, you guys
didn't really seem to come to a common ground on
that topic.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I feel that Mel wouldn't answer the question like would
the Fantasy Suite have changed your mind about making a commitment?
Nobody's asked him that, And if you do ask him that,
he'll deflect and say, but you know, you've got to
play it till the end. But if the Fantasy Suite,
if I felt the Fantasy Suite would have changed his
mind to make a commitment, then maybe, but he was
(13:58):
so adamant with me at dinner.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Are there questions?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Are there things like what happened in my divorce, what
happened in his divorce? Tell me the details of what
you know some of the trauma that you've gone through.
These are details that are very, very important. But at
this stage I knew enough about him that I was
crazy about him, and that would just be texture in
the relationship. It wouldn't change the direction of my relationship
(14:26):
with him, if that makes sense, does make sense? Yeah,
so I was interested in knowing the texture. But again
back to the comment of I'm not going to spend
time with him. I want to commit to him, and
he just wanted to stay on the other side of
the road spending time with me.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
And I'm grateful I didn't.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
End up with the promise ring that that does not
work for me.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah, and I tell you a little story.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
And I'm not sure if I have permission from my
son in law to do this, so you know, forgive me.
I think it's I think it's good, very close to
my kids and to their husbands, and I'm so grateful
for their relationship. And my son in law shared with
me how important it was for him to be engaged
to my daughter and to move from that this is
(15:16):
my girlfriend conversation to this is my fiance, and then
he doubled down when he got to say, this is
my wife. And there is such a pride for a
man in some men, maybe in the man that I
want to be able to make a claim of you,
so to have this is my person and whatever that
(15:39):
vocabulary that's special to you. I love I love the
way that that feels to a man and feels to
a woman and feels or forget the genders, feels in
a relationship to want to claim them as part of
your life. And so that's the commit instead of the
share your life for me. Like whatever that looks like,
(16:01):
it doesn't have to be the wedding dress. It can
look a lot differently, but mel was was clearly in
the share of your life stage.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Yeah, we see on AFR that you express what commitment
looked like for you and the actions that you planned
to take to show that you were committing, which maybe
to some people's surprise, wasn't necessarily you know, an engagement
in a wedding you said I will move to you.
(16:33):
We don't have to move in together, kind of aligning
with that slower pace that he maybe as comfortable with.
We can develop our relationship in the same city, we
can spend time with our kids. And it was nice,
actually as a viewer to hear you kind of list
out those things of like, this is what commitment looks
like to me, this is what I'm interested in doing
for you and for us, and he responded with I
think he said that doesn't interest me or I'm not
(16:55):
interested in that.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Yeah, that's what he said at the AFR.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
Yeah, does that surprise you?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
It definitely did. I had.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Also gotten a comment from him, like, you've lived there
thirty years, you would leave your life. This goes less
to the commitment side as for me, and more to the.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Side of wanting him.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
You asked me before what I wanted to hear from him.
I wanted to hear that he had thought about a plan.
So this was kind of more about the plans that
we could do. This wasn't like this is what we
have to do step one, step two. But I told
him I was definitely willing to live in California. I'd
still have roots in Austin, I'd still have my friends
at Austin. I'd still go back to Austin. It's you know,
(17:46):
I could still figure out what life would look like
that way, but I would be willing to make those steps.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
And he had nothing else for me.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Had he had no idea of, you know, other than
I've got to get two years down the road to
get my boys, you know, out of you know, situated.
And by the way I've been through that process with
the kids and I you know, I might be able
to help you with a thing or two. I think
my kids turned out pretty spectacular, not without bumps, but
(18:17):
you might want to align yourself with somebody who could
help you with that and not intrude with it, but
integrate into it. And I just don't think he had
thought about it.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it seems that way. I really
like you're the way you're thinking about this entire situation.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
If you or my mother, that would have been the
advice I would have given you going on the show,
because it's like the show is great and it works
and it's yeah, yeah, it's love this that, But like
when you get off the show, like you do need
to have a plan because like if you don't, it's
not going to work. Like we see it all the
time where people are like, oh shit, like we live
(18:59):
in different in cities and we you know, and then
like you know, within within three four months of being separated,
it just doesn't work.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
So like, yeah, you have to keep the momentum from
the show going. And once the show's done, it's not
on the date, producers or the you know, the director, anyone.
It's on you to figure it out how to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah, and I think you.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
I think you really went about this whole process the
right way. You know, you didn't end up getting the
happy ending that you want it, but like you shouldn't
have any regrets because I do think you did it
the right way.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Yeah, I agree. I also think the happy and it's.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Coming from you, I've been very successful on the.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
I really, I really that needs the world to me.
Thank you for saying that, especially from a male's perspective too.
I think you're for saying that.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Of course, I think that the happy ending you're looking
for potentially wasn't on the table in this situation. I
don't think and I don't think it was the guy
that was meant for you either, But I feel like
you're definitely gonna. You're gonna find it. For sure, You're
gonna You're gonna everything that you're looking for because you're
not asking for too much. You're not asking for a miracle.
(20:06):
It's it's very practical.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Okay, So what what is what is next for you?
What's dating life look like?
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Mm hmm. I'm just free for a week and I
got my first day out. I got that day. There
is hope, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
I'm not sure, and there might be a period of
time where I just go and have fun with my
friends and see what happens. I think dating apps developed
some bad habits, and I don't see myself back on
a dating app necessarily to find men, So I don't
know how I'm.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Gonna bump into them. I'm waiting for the universe to
help me out a little bit with that. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I'm just gonna continue to be me and I've gone
through phases of my life where and this might be
another one. It's okay just to be Cindi pooh. I'm
telling you my life is pretty spectacular. And if a
man snuggles up to me and we could make it work,
that's great. But other than that, I'm not gonna wait
or change my life. I mean, I've got I've already
(21:24):
been to several football games and concerts and dinners, and
you know, two trips, three trips to La I see
you get my kids all the time. My life won't
change that way. I just really was hoping that I
could have come out of this with a partner.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
What would your daughters love? What kind of guy would
your daughters love to see you with if they could
build their dreamman for you? What would he be like?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Somebody who uses a few more words they I mean,
definitely sports are a big.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Part of my life.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
So somebody who enjoys watching sports, going to sports concerts,
who's active, likes to travel, but is family focused, like
consider around and do a puzzle. Who could you know,
have deep conversations. I'd love somebody plays golf because my
son in laws like to play golf.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
That'd be fun. Give more time for the girls.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Just somebody who could just more easily integrate into our
life and is willing to share their life with us.
And I think that they've seen me go through several
relationships where there's a partition between you know, especially when
it comes to kids and time with kids. Like, well,
maybe you go see your kids this weekend and I'll
go see my kids the same weekend. And I think,
(22:38):
you know, I want something we could do it all together.
And yeah, I'm not sure. That's a great question. I
might have to figure that out.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Stay tuned. Ask me in a couple of months how
it's going.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Would you ever consider being the Golden Batcherette if they
asked you.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
Do you think they could find thirty hot guys for me?
Speaker 4 (23:00):
I hope so at least I mean at least at
least seven.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
You don't need to pick one.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Yes, but you'd have to be able to commit. That's
the whole question.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
I think there's a lot of women who deserve to
find love out there in our golden years.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
And I think the bigger.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Question is, you know, what is it that the show
can yield and what can it show either goldens or
youngers or the whole world about this process, this stage
of our life, right, And so I think we need
to think about the next Golden Bachelor or bachelorette from
(23:37):
that frame and then find somebody that you could build,
you know, stories around, And of course it'd be great
to show great dresses and great great trips and great people,
but you know what do we really want to highlight
in those you know and showing this dating life and
in these decisions that we go through from Golden's and
(23:59):
what's interesting, Like I have some breakup advice? For example,
can I give you some break of advice, you puss,
because I literally my kids reminded me of this the
other day when they were in middle school. One of
their friends broke up with the first boyfriend.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
And she was just sad.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
We were sitting on they were sitting on the couch
and I was like trying to pep them up. And
I came down and you know, this is the first
boyfriend they've ever had, And I said, you know, there's
there's three steps to getting over a broken heart. And
they were like, oh, tell me more, you know, wise woman,
And I said three steps, three steps. I was making
it up on the fly, but it's true. Step one,
(24:34):
you gotta cry. You got to feel those feelings and
get through it.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I've been doing that in my life. Step two, you
got to organize your sock drawer. And I mean this
because there's a lot of stuff that while you're in
a relationship you don't do you maybe neglect some friends.
Maybe you aren't paying attention because you're you know, you're
spending time in their relationship. So get back to organizing
your sock drawer and taking care of those things that
(25:01):
you may have neglected. And then the third is buy
a puppy. And I don't mean by a puppy, I
mean go find your happiness again, Go find your joy.
That's great, right now, I love somewhere between organizing my
sock jour and buying a puppy.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
That's right.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Well, that you made that up on the spot. I mean,
that's that's very wise.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
It stuck.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
And so people think that I was so staged and so,
you know, performative on the show.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
I'm like, oh, really, that's kind of how I that's
kind of how I talk.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
I didn't find that's good.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Let's real quick. I want to just like circle back.
Did you watch the Women Tell All?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
I did?
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Was there anything that came out during the Women Tell
All that shocked you that you didn't that you didn't
know about?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Oh gosh, give me some options or what I might
have been shot?
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I guess, well, like what was the big I guess
the big part of Women Tell All?
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Was the beginning with Nicole, all the Nicole drama or
you know, like regarding yeah Nicole Debby, listen.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Let me just first of all, Nicole is a good
friend of mine and we were early friends and were
good friends.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
And I taste great.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
By the way, we had her on the podcast, and
she's great.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
She I tasted the lemon bars. She could take full
credit for him. They were not anything about there is
a hot take for you.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Oh my god, that's so fun.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I love that. Nicole. If you're listening, you better work
on those lemon bars.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Well, you know, to be fair, she had none of
her recipes with her, so yeah, she's doing it on
the fly.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Maybe that's why Mel sent her home. He was like, ah,
these did love to the Hype's time to cut her.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Now my bowlet as you could ask the crew about
my bowlot as it was a pretty big hit.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Really, how do you do? How do you can you
give me a quick how do you make it?
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Joe's Italian?
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Oh you too?
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Okay, So we were dealing with mansion food. Okay, So
I only had ground beef. I would normally do several
different types of ground lamb, pork, maybe bison, something like that,
depending on how much. And then you got to cut
your your carrots and your celery very small, dice like.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Almost an onion. You don't do onion as well.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
I do less onion than you think.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Okay, that's good for you. You don't really like onion.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I used onion, yes, and I seed up really big,
I mean really small, and you just cook it down,
just cook it down more than you think.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
And you know, tomato paste.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
It is really whatever the mansion had we had to
throw in there and just kind of play with it.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
So we got lucky. But it was pretty tasty.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
For no recipe and no strong ingredients turned out. Okay,
I put a lot of parmesan on the top and
it was perfect.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
That's the key, Yeah, that is the key.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
To end this podcast on a positive note. Can you
tell us kind of of one of your favorite memories
from being on the show and what you'll take away
from it?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yeah? Yeah, oh wow, Okay.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
One of my favorite memories was being in my room
and my roommates are Alessandra, Alex Lever, Diane, Hello, funniest woman,
Monica Be, and Terry.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I mean Monica Be, this woman.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
She would keep me up all night with just loved
our soft conversations, great room, but the bathroom that we had,
I'm really hopeful for this makeover, this mansion makeover. I
can't wait to see it. My bathroom had a mirror
about this big. It was tiny, and it was mounted
so high, so my beautiful tall Monica be could see
herself just perfectly. I saw literally this much of my face,
(28:48):
and it was so I never knew how I looked,
and so I always relied on my women to make
sure everything was tucked in, to make sure things were right.
And that's why it was really devastating to me when
they my room, when everyone from my room was sent
home and the big tier it's getting real, this one,
it's getting real, was because not because of Mel, but
(29:10):
that was because it's getting real because I had to
focus on Mel because it could no longer be just
about those friendships.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Yeah, that mansion needs a makeover. It's long overdue, and
I'm so excited to see it. And I hope that
they included some big ass mirrors because.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
The girls deserve that.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
I need them, We need them.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, and I also my next door so I was
usually the first one up with the last one to
go to bed. The last one to go to bed
means I just would go listen to rooms and see.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Who's still awake.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
And the party room was always Robin, Jerry, Carrol, and Amy.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Oh my gosh. I think that's why I'm so incredibly
close to them. I'd knock on the door. You can't
walk across the floor.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Jerry's like, come over here, come come by in my
bed with me, like I'll be impaled by a high heel.
So Robin was closed as I'm like, scoot over, Robin. Yeah,
it's just some of our favorite memories. We're late into
the night just talking and getting to know each other,
and we all live by ourselves. We're grown ass women,
and we got to go back and live with some
other women with like minded and it was a privilege.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Oh that's so fun.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Well, Cindy, this was really great. It was lovely.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Getting to meet you and talk to you. And I
think you're going to be just fine. You're probably gonna
find a guy like tonight. So yeah, thank you for
taking the time and coming on our podcast.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
You guys do such a lovely job, and you really
bring out some interesting aspects to the whole story behind
what is the Bachelor story? And I thank you for
that because it's really compelling and it's really important. It's
the single most important thing you could do is pick
your partner.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Thank thank you so much, and thank you to our listeners.
Thank you guys for tuning in to Better Happy Hour.
Make sure you download and subscribe to the podcast.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
We have new and exclusive interviews for you every single week.
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Bye h
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