September 9, 2024 • 31 mins
Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re sitting down for part one of our debriefing with Jenn on her “Bachelorette” finale! After an emotional end to her journey to find love, Jenn is here to break everything down. We get into the truth of her relationship with Devin and how it ended. She also takes us through her experience at “AFR” and what those moments were like. Tune in now to hear all this and more, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe
and I'm Serena, and we are here with the former
Bachelorette now dancing with this Yeah, unfortunately your former Bachelorette
Dancing with the Stars contestant, Jen, Welcome back to Bachelor
Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hi, thanks for having me. I can't believe. I can't
believe it.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Is that the first time someone's called you the former bachelorette.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
It's not you anymore a little bit.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I don't know how.
Speaker 5 (00:28):
I don't know if we have to call her that
quite yet. I think we can give you a little
more time, you like a year, until someone else is
the Bachelerette I.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Mean, and technically, I mean who knows? Who knows? Right?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah, you could go back to back.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
Well, we've actually had a lot of people ask us
why we have not put out a finale episode pot
for this podcast yet, and it is because your schedule
has been so crazy busy. We were supposed to have
Jen on the day after the finale, but you were
in New York.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
How was that for you?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So it was it's just been crazy. And that day,
like that day, food, that night, flute to New York
for good Morning America the next morning. Then that day
I flew back to La started rehearsals, blue to Boston.
Now I'm Miami and now I'm going to La Flowers.
So I've just like been everywhere. But it's been fun chaos,
I believe.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
So you weren't hesitant at all when they're like, you're
you're going on Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
But no, I've always wanted to go and Chancing with
the Stars. I'm like, I'm crazy. And I would telling
friends list all the time and like I really want
to go on, and they're like, you don't even know
how to dance? Are you going to be the star
or the pro? Like You're you're also like a newbody.
Was like, I don't know, maybe i'll like ticktoo lessons
someone come up pro Like I just I've always wanted
to learn. So it was the easiest, yest of my life.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
That's amazing. No, I totally relate to that. And before
I was even on The Bachelor, I was like, I
want to be a Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
How do I get on that show that looks so fun?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It's like such a feel good show, you know?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
When I, uh yeah, when I when I first got
cast out of the Bachelor, and I was like considering
if I wanted to do it, and my buddies like crazy,
you could get you could potentially go on Dancing with
the Stars.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I would never go on Dancing with the Stars. And
then yeah, and then then it happens. Then it happens.
How uh, how do you feel about Sasha?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I love him, He's the best. We literally we met
in the airport, like he didn't even have a flight,
Like he didn't have a ticket for the flight. He
had to go to the gate and like beg for
a ticket. And that's how we met under like very
chaotic circumstances. We both didn't know if we were going
to make the flight, and it was since then like
fast friends. He is so easy to talk to, so comfortable,
(02:49):
like also just such a good person and he's just
been really helpful with this chaotic time and everything. So
I love it. We're going to be.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
Friends because he would have been thrown on last minute
as well. So you guys are really in this together
of like you're lives being flipped up tie down very quickly.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, he was like in his bed. He's like I
didn't have a shower, I packed a suit. He's running
through the airport at the same time I'm running, like
it was very crazy. So yeah, very last minute.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I don't know too much about ballroom dancing, but I
do know that like technically Sasha is like really really good.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Okay, good good?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Here wait who was your partner?
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Jenna?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Okay, yeah, which is who Joey's with?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah? Okay, okay, Oh, how's that beened?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Great? Honestly, it's been really really nice to have a
friendly face there, And I like, good Morning America is
a lot for me because I was still kind of
processing the night before and then I was meeting all
these new people thrown into a new show. Like I
wasn't in like the headspace of like, okay, let's like
make bajillion friends right now, just like needing a little
(04:00):
bit of like I don't know, push, And like Joey
immediately was like, oh, let me introduce you to everybody,
like how are you doing? So it's been really really
good to have somebody there that like I know, like
Kelsey and I and Joey went to dinner like last
week and like we're all such good friends. So it's
been really great.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Honestly, Yeah, that is really nice because I could imagine
you're like I was, just like you said, the lowest
of lows. I'm running through airports, I'm meeting all these
new people. So to have him kind of be a
buddy and like you to be a buddy through this
is probably really nice. Do you feel like you're gonna
have an emotional crash or you like, I'm just on
(04:37):
such a high now, this is amazing.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
It's like kind of picked you back up.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
An emotional crash. She said, just for our listeners that
you're you're Canadian.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Crush.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
So did my accent Canadian?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I have crushed? But I wait, now I'm hearing crushsh
emotional crash.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I don't even know what time zone I'm in right now.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I probably will at some point, and like it's gonna
come eventually because I think they still need I still
probably a processing to do, and I don't know, I
don't like, do I wash the finale episode again or
do it not?
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Like I probably not.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I don't think I don't do that.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
No, not, but no, I definitely have like a lot
of processing still to be done. But I'm just gonna
take it one day at a time, and and this
has all been an amazing distraction because I can't imagine
not having this and not having something to focus on
and not having something to kind of like wish me
along in this time. So I don't know, we'll see
(05:50):
when that crash comes.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
I feel like though it is both a really good distraction.
I also feel like this is just so cheesy, but
like dance is a great way to like work through
yours in a way, and hopefully this journey will also
help you process what you just went.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Through, of course, and that's what I'm most looking forward to.
Dance is such a great way to express your emotions
and get things out there. It's like such an outlet.
I feel like it's such a creative outlet too, So
I fully anticipate like balling my eyes out on the
first night of the dance because it's all it's all
I'm also dancing. It's like a very meaningful song. So
(06:26):
I just I know I'm going to be hysterical, all.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Right, So let's pivot into AFR.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
So your AFR was like truly one of the most
talked about I've I've seen in quite some time. I mean,
you can't go on social media and not to your
face like everywhere, which is great love Jen's face.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
So happy for you. Well you you know that you
got the dancer with the star, so iry it for you.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Can you kind of like, before we get into all
of what went down at AFR, can you talk a
little bit about your breakup with Devin?
Speaker 6 (07:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, like time what went down?
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Camera's cut, you're engaged. Can you kind of walk us
through what went down in those next two three months?
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, truthfully, I'm still trying to understand
it all, and honestly, like I don't even know if
I want to understand it all, Like we are where
we are right now. But yeah, I mean essentially, we
had gotten engaged in Hawaii and happiest day of my life,
and then we had a happy couple right after that.
And now when I look back on things, I'm like,
(07:35):
I there were so many little key moments that I
should have just taken note of, and I didn't. Like
in Hawaii when we're having our happy couple. The day
after we got engaged, the first thing he asked the
producers was like, how long do people stay together?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And I was like yeah, I was like you're already
anticipating that we're freaking up. But I didn't think anything
of it at the time, but I flagged it as
like a really weird question to kind of ask. I
was like, why would you ask that?
Speaker 5 (08:01):
And for those listening who maybe don't know what a
happy couple is, just to clarify, it's like time with
the happy couple, Like they get to go spend time
in a house together and spend quality time off camera
but also in private so that the viewers don't get
the season spoiled for them because you can't be out
and about.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
But yeah, so that was kind of red flag number
one for you.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yes, And then that whole weekend it was like I
was like, oh, you know what, things are a little different,
but it's okay. Like we just got off a whole
ass TV show, like we both just mad had in
a process. But I was very happy and he seemed
very happy too, so like I wasn't thinking anything of
every day. Oh oh, Actually the other red flag was
(08:44):
in our fantasy suite. We had talked about the future
and like where we were going to move, what life
was going to look like after this and all this stuff,
and like the biggest thing for me was where we
were going to move and the fact that I have
family in Boston, and so we were just like, I
was like, I'm not moving to Texas, and I love Boston,
(09:05):
but like, I also love New York. You could go
move to New York. That we had settled on, like Okay,
in a couple of years, we'll move to California. And
then when my friend Nicole came for me Faily, I
had told you that. I was like, some of the
things I really love about Devin and I's relationship is
that we know what it's like to compromise for things
like he is willing to compromise on where we're moving,
et cetera. And she had told him that when they
(09:27):
had a chat, and in the Happy Couple with Devin
after we got engaged, he's like, oh, I didn't know
you told Nicole that we would be moving to California.
You're like, I don't actually want to do that. And
I was like, okay, red flag number whatever, because you
had told me that you wanted to do with and
now you don't. So it's like, are we suddenly backtracking
on things? And that was something that I kept in
(09:48):
my head, it's like it does he just say things
to make me happy but not actually meet them. So
that was a big fun for me. But since and
then since that day, like he kept backtracking on certain things,
like he would say, he was like, oh, we'll fly
and we'll see each other all the time, like it
doesn't matter about these happy couple weekends, like I love you,
(10:10):
like I want to see you. And then we had
an instant and after we got engaged, we couldn't see
each other for a month and I had told him,
I was like, just come to Amy, like we'll hang out.
We won't go out, like nobody knows this. Yeah, the
thing hasn't even been weird, and he's he suddenly was
like I just like I booked. I just booked a
flight to Mexico, Like I don't really want to pay
(10:30):
for that flight. I was like, honey, I don't pay
the two hundred dollars for you to come here and
hang out with me, Like what. So it was just
like weird things in terms of like effort. And then
he would go like missing for like eighteen hours of
a day sometimes and like I wouldn't hear from him,
and I genuinely think that he like got into an accent.
I'm like, are you okay, Like just like I'm not
(10:51):
I'm not like crazy, like just like are you okay
kind of thing, and I and I let it slide
in terms of like I was like, maybe he's just
like going through a tough time and he's like and
he would tell me he's like, I'm just like a
little introverted right now, like I am feeling weird after
the show, Like I'm my sleeping schedules just like off
and I don't know, there just be so many instances
(11:12):
in which I wouldn't hear from him for a whole
day or a whole evening, and it's like I don't
need to be talking to you all the time, but
like I don't know, it was just me.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
So would he not like respond to a text for
twenty hours? Okay?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
And then what was the what was the was there
like an immediate plan of like how are we going
to make this work after the show airs?
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Like what what is what is the plan?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I mean we both were we talked about it in
the fantasy suite, like we're gonna do long distance? Oh,
he said, He's like I work from home, like I'll
come live with you for like eleven days out a month,
like I can do that whatever. So, like, I was
very confident that we were going to make it because
he he had led me to believe that there would
be no reason otherwise, Like he was just so willing
(12:09):
to compromise everything. So I was like, long distance will
be fine, and he knew I was gonna be paceful
for another year, so that that was the plan, and
we were like I remember he was like not super
happy about the engagement, but like didn't exactly like tell
me why. Like he was like I remember feeling like, oh,
(12:29):
suddenly he's like scared to get married, which I can understand.
I was like, you know what, you're right, Like this
is a lot. And we had planned we were going
to get married in like two years. We said a
two year engagement was something that was like reasonable to
the both of us. So like things like that, those
were the plans. We were just gonna like see each other,
continue to date and all this stuff. But we didn't
(12:51):
continue to date, Like he never once planned a date
night for us, like long distance. Why, Like we barely
talked on the phone. It was it was just weird,
but I would go these happy couples and be so
happy because to spend that time with my posta. But
even in the happy couples, it was just it just
felt like something was you.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
So I know you've said this, Serena, you said this before.
Your biggest fear is meeting somebody on the show and
then getting off the show and it being a completely
different person.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
And that's kind of what it sounds like happened, or
even like.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Just a different dynamic than what you were set up
to believe you were signing up for.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Do you think that this was all a game for him,
like you were, You were a prize to win. He
won and that was his goal, and that's kind of it.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I can't speak for him because I don't know. I
genuinely don't know who he is as a person to
this day, which is crazy, Yeah, which is very very creezy.
The person that I knew was the show and who
he is right now is a completely different guy. But
obviously that was the first thing that came to my mind,
(14:07):
and that is that was like my biggest fears, Like
because I think with Mena is a competitive nature, so
I'm like, did he just want to win the show,
and he had literally told me, He's like, I didn't
want to get engaged, but I had wanted you to myself.
So I was selfish and I differicult because I wanted
to you, and I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
It was just like he wanted me to yourself, and
like where are you, Like, you're not talking to me,
You're not seeing me. When you would call him out
on his behavior or like question him about the way
he was acting, it sounds like he was just really
distant and detached from the relationship.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
What would he say.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
He see He would just say, like, my sleeping scheduled
sperod I just came off of the show. I'm like
a little bit introverted right now. I'm just like feeling
a lot And I know, I felt like he was
like a very anxious person. So I'm like I was
giving him so much grace and just being there as
best as they could and just giving him the time
to process everything. And also he was getting a lot
(15:12):
of hate by episode too because of the way that
he was acting on the episode, So like I was
just trying to be there for him and navigate the
space with him as much as possible. But I just
don't think his heart was ever truly fully in it.
And yeah, that was a big fear of mine. It's like,
was somebody here just to win the show? And I
(15:36):
mean it's clear that he wasn't there to win me
because he didn't even try to date me after, Like
it just did. The effort went from one hundred to
like zero sometimes five percent, it was, And I remember
feeling like every time he would try to do something nice,
it felt forced. It didn't feel like it was coming
from the heart for some reason, and it was like
(15:57):
I had this weird, weird gut feeling. And now, honestly,
all the pieces are coming together for me in terms
of like making out what his intentions were and what
this meant to him because of all the things that
are circuling on the internet now. So I'm just like,
I'm done.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
You know, At what point were you like okay, Like
we've had the I've called him out.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
He's not really validating my feelings.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
I'm getting a lot of excuses the efforts not there,
Like what part were you like, okay, I'm starting to
see this might not work out or when it ended,
were you still hopeful?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah? I was still hopeful. Like for me, I take
an engagement very seriously. Keim and I had talked about
it multiple times on the show, like we're only getting
engaged once, and him coming from a family in which
relationships don't work out, and he told me that expressed
his fears around that. I thought that we were on
the same page with that, like we're not taking this lightly.
This is a real engagement, and like we're going to
(16:55):
do whatever we can to make this work. So even
while I wasn't getting the treatment that I knew that
I deserved in a very healthy relationship, which is what
I thought I was signing up for, I still was
trying to make races like we're going through difficult time,
it's going to be fine. If we get through this,
we'll get through anything. And like I like, obviously I
(17:19):
had just heard like a lot of couple go through
hard times after the show, it's just it's hard watching
things back.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
It's fine, that's normal to go through that.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, Well, I thought that it was going to be
just these normal speed bumps and as if we were
able to work through, it'd be fine. Even after he
had broken up with me, I I was fighting for
the relationship for a month, like it was a push
and pull every day trying to just get out of
him like something and be like and just like work
(17:51):
through this because behind a moment dated in the real life,
I'm like, you've told me you loved me, you want
to marry and all this stuff, you don't actually really
want to try, Like we haven't really even able see
each other like that love is real, then you would
fight for that and you would wait until we could
actually date in the real world see what it was like,
get back to that same feeling. If that's how if
that's the thing that you're saying, is that you don't
(18:11):
feel the same way anymore, then like let's.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Try, like always have a dinner. You would think, like
you could give it dinner.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
And even buy me dinner. I haven't even bought been
bought dinner by him.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Like what do you think did he did he ever use.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Watching you with other other men and like seeing that
you fell from Marcus as well?
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Is that an excuse?
Speaker 1 (18:36):
No?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Not once? Not once did he used so? No, And
he had broken up with me before all before Fantasy Speeks,
before Hometowns, before things like got serious in the show,
we were already by midway through the show, So you
had never once said anything about the other guys or
(18:57):
anything like that. I would always try and check up
on him, and you don't seemed fine, like almost too fun, Like,
oh yeah, too fine.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
When he called you to end the relationship, walk us
through that phone call.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, so so yeah, I mean, this was a messy
time in the relationship in terms of where my head
space is at and where his headspace is at. Like,
so we had just had a happy couple of the
week before, the weekend before, and things were just not good.
We were we were fighting, not making any compromises. It
(19:34):
was just bad. And he eventually I sat him down
and was like, let's like talk about this, like what's
going on here? And he basically said, like, I'm just
not happy anymore. He was like, some days like I
wake up and I just don't feel it. And I
was like, what do you mean by that? And he's
like I was like, he was like, some days I
wake up and I just like, well, I don't love you.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
And I was like, oh, but some days you wake
up and you do.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
How do I navigate that?
Speaker 4 (20:03):
That's rough to hear.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Well, it's just like I mean it's just that's not normal.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I don't know, probably just like I don't know what
to say to that.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I did it. I was like mute for like two hours.
I was like okay, okay, we could get through this
speak Oh my gosh. And it was just a mess.
But we had basically left on Like I remember, I
was like sobbing because I was like I don't know
how to process this, and he was like he's holding it.
He's like it's fine, like I don't want anything to change,
like I love you. We'll work on this, We'll go
(20:35):
to couples counseling, we'll work on this.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
So I left that weekend feeling pretty hopeful even though,
but also like defeated and just said, you're.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Like he's feeding you some hard true about his feelings,
but he's also saying like, look, I'm committed to the
relationship and I want to work on it, and you
know I want to get to a good place.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah there, yes, yes, And so that's why I was like, Okay,
there's full I think he wants to go to couples counseling,
doesn't want anything changed, he loves me. Okay, great, we'll
work on his feelings. And then what happened we got
into a fight like a couple of days after that
when we had left and we were booking the next
happy couple. And what made me upset about these happy
(21:23):
couples is he would take the latest flight out and
take the like into the happy couple and then take
the earliest flight out at like four am the next
day kind of thing, and that would that made me upset,
so like we I expressed that to him, and you're
talking about the next happy couple and he's like, I'm
gonna take the same four am play. I'm like, okay,
you hate me, Like what's going on? And then we
got into a big fight about that, and I was
(21:43):
just like, okay, like let's just take some space for
the weekend, because I just feel like you just wand me,
you don't love me on some days, and I just
don't know if this is like a feeling that I
want to be feeling right now in conjunction with all
everything that we've been fighting about. So I was like,
let's take space for the weekend. He didn't take the space. Seriously,
He's like still texting me, he's still calling me. So
(22:06):
I assumed everything was fine, and he had texted me
He's like, let's book that happy that couple's counseling. So
I booked a couple's counseling for us. And then it's Sunday.
I didn't hear from him at all, which I thought
was weird, and I just sent him a couple of texts.
He didn't reply, and then I sent him another text
(22:26):
and I was like, listen, like I'm sorry that we fought,
Like I really want to make this work and I
really do want to go to this Happy Couples counseling
and like just wanted to like let you know that
and like hopefully things are fine. He's like, everything's fine,
Like let's see at Couble's counseling for he just had
a rough day. Monday comes around. We faced him during
the day and seemed normal, and then he had went
(22:49):
to watch the show I think at his mom's house.
And after that night he sent me a very cryptic
text being like I because I had said, oh, do
you want to talk on phone? Then he's like, let's
like talk tomorrow. This is a conversation we'll have tomorrow
at the Happy Couple And I was like, I don't know,
I don't like what that means, Like just like call
(23:10):
me now, like let's just talk about it. And he
basically on the phone and like a two minute phone call.
This was that night. He was like I don't feel
this anymore. I don't want to be in this relationship anymore.
I just it's not working and I'm just like down.
I was like okay, one of the phone. The next
day we went we talked for like a fifteen minute
(23:31):
phone call. That was well, and he was just like
I I can't say SORR anymore, like I'm done whatever.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
And then were you like what was your reaction Like
were you asking questions? Were you fighting it? Were you
a agreeance? Like he's coming at you with like you're
probably a little bit in shock, like hey, the relationship's over.
You're like, I just booked Aus couples Counseling. Where is
this coming from?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I felt very blond sided. Yeah, I mean it was bad.
I was in Boston, I was not my friend's apartment,
and I was sobbing, like hysterically, saw like I didn't
have answers and I didn't know what to do. Like
in that moment that night when you called, I was
just like do I beg? Do I not? Like I
don't even know how I feel about this? Like I
(24:15):
was just sobbing the whole day and the next day
was sobbing too, like all day and we have to
talk to and I was like, listen, what's going on?
Like is there something? What is the reason? Like is
there a reason? Like can we work through this? You
had just said we wanted to go to toughs counseling. He's like,
you're right, I lied. I shouldn't have said I wanted
to go to Top's counseling, like I don't, like, I don't
(24:35):
want to work on this, like I'm just not happy,
and like that was that. That was Those are the
answers that I was getting. I tried so many times
to like, I don't know, like to be like, let's
just like figure this out. I don't know. I like,
I'm I'm confused.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
He was.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Was he ever able to give you some sort of
answer as to what changed his feelings from these like
really really strong feelings of love on the show to
because it sounds like it was very instant. It wasn't
like you spent so much time together for like a
month and then it was like a shift.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
It sounds like the shift was right away.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
So did you ever get an answer from him of
like what initiated that shift.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
What he had told me was that he was having
doubts the whole time and he just like wasn't expressing them.
And at this point the show hadn't aired yet. So
when he had told me, like I felt for sure
to get engaged, I didn't want to get engaged. I
I just I had so many doubts. I was like, oh, okay,
And then I watched the show back and I was like,
wait a second, you were seeing crazy stuff to me
(25:36):
that made me believe that you wanted to get engaged. Like,
I'm not crazy for thinking that you wanted to get engaged.
You wanted to get engaged on the show. So I
don't know if you forgot the things that you were
saying to me. But he was telling me he wants
a family with me, he wanted to marry me, like,
so I just I don't know. And he had said, like,
(25:57):
I wonder what would have happened if I had just
left that day that I came into your room and
like was asking for reassurance. He was like, I probably
should have just left that day.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
I was like, WHOA, Okay, I don't know listen, I
don't know what his motive was, but yeah, he had
said he basically didn't feel the same way he had doubts.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
So was it helpful for you to watch the show
back to be like, no, I'm not crazy, like he
did act this way or.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Was it almost?
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Was it also like hurtful to be like, you're now
telling me you didn't mean any of these things.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Ooh, Like it was validating in a sense of like
because for me, like I don't know, like I felt
like he was saying things and I was trying to
believe them, like, oh, I never wanted to get engaged
in all this stuff, and I was like trying to
believe it. But then I'm like, why are you saying
the things that you're saying in the show. There are
(26:59):
plenty of guys that have expressed their their yes doubts
about me about the show, about the engagement, but you
never once did that on the show, So I'm really confused.
So it was validating to watch it, but then it
was also heart for I was watching my heart being
worked every Monday, Like every Monday night was the worst
(27:21):
day of my life. And while I was crying and
just like confused and upset, He's out here posting memes
about the show. And I'm like, did this mean nothing
to you? Because if you truly feel hurt about this,
do you truly feel like you tried everything and it
just didn't work, you would not be out here posting
memes about the show, yeah, and promoting the show, Like,
(27:43):
because the way the show ended, you just broke my heart, Like,
what do you mean? It just it didn't make sense.
The way he was moving about it made no sense.
Especially after the break up, I think I got more
clarity on the fact that he's just not who he
painted himself out to me.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, okay, Well, well I want to get into you
Afi will do that part two before we before we
end this episode, you mentioned you see you've seen a
lot of stuff with Devin online with like other women
or whatnot. Can you describe for our listeners what you've
been seeing.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, so obviously there's a video circulating around with him
in New York with this girl and that was like,
I think two weeks before Afar and we were broken up.
At that point, however, we had been talking and he
had been saying, we had been talking about meeting up
and seeing where things go, seeing if we can work
(28:39):
on this, seeing if we can endings on good terms,
or whatever it was. And also just like I've deserved
a conversation in person, like I wanted that conversation in person,
and not to have to do that on live TV.
He was leading me on to believe that there was
hopeing there was something there the whole month, and then
he's out in New York with a girl and to
(29:00):
my knowledge it's one of his ex girlfriends, and and
I it's just I've been getting a lot of DMS
and texts about what he had been doing in the
past month. Like there are rumors he was at a
bar with this girl making out with her three weeks
before Afar, and somebody sent me a photo of him
(29:24):
and her at the airport together flying to New York.
So listen, this isn't just some girl that you met
at a bar and you wanted to hook up at well,
this is an ex girlfriend that you're now traveling together with.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Which is funny because he is the one that said
he doesn't deal with exes, because he was the one
that was so strong about when your ex came back,
that he was going to leave the show if you
kept him. So the fact that he has an ex around,
and do you think he do you think she's been
around this whole time?
Speaker 6 (30:00):
I.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I don't know. I think these are the facts. He
goes missing for some days at a time, he immediately
after the show is like detached, not giving an effort.
He doesn't want to see me. And then now there's
this girl coming out and they're flying together to New
York and she's an ex girlfriend, and and it just
(30:29):
those are the facts, and that's what I'm seeing And
what can I do with that? Like, I don't know.
And the thing is, I did get a d M
when I came back from the show and somebody had
warned me about this girl, and I didn't believe it.
I was like, I love Devin. He would never do
that for to me. Yeah. Now I'm kicking myself for
not looking.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
In your shoes. It's very it would be very very
hard not to speculate on.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Yeah, I mean, I mean I would. I would be
out here like fuck him.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Uh, Okay, let's let's wrap this here, uh, because I
want to get into a FR in Part two. So
to all our listeners, thank you so much. That was
Part one with Jen h. We are going to get
into everything AFR in Part two. We will be dropping
that tomorrow, so make sure you stay tuned.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
And don't forget to subscribe. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Bye,
Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour. I'm Joe
and I'm Serena, and we are here with the former
Bachelorette now dancing with this Yeah, unfortunately your former Bachelorette
Dancing with the Stars contestant, Jen, Welcome back to Bachelor
Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hi, thanks for having me. I can't believe. I can't
believe it.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Is that the first time someone's called you the former bachelorette.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
It's not you anymore a little bit.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I don't know how.
Speaker 5 (00:28):
I don't know if we have to call her that
quite yet. I think we can give you a little
more time, you like a year, until someone else is
the Bachelerette I.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Mean, and technically, I mean who knows? Who knows? Right?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Yeah, you could go back to back.
Speaker 5 (00:46):
Well, we've actually had a lot of people ask us
why we have not put out a finale episode pot
for this podcast yet, and it is because your schedule
has been so crazy busy. We were supposed to have
Jen on the day after the finale, but you were
in New York.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
How was that for you?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So it was it's just been crazy. And that day,
like that day, food, that night, flute to New York
for good Morning America the next morning. Then that day
I flew back to La started rehearsals, blue to Boston.
Now I'm Miami and now I'm going to La Flowers.
So I've just like been everywhere. But it's been fun chaos,
I believe.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
So you weren't hesitant at all when they're like, you're
you're going on Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
But no, I've always wanted to go and Chancing with
the Stars. I'm like, I'm crazy. And I would telling
friends list all the time and like I really want
to go on, and they're like, you don't even know
how to dance? Are you going to be the star
or the pro? Like You're you're also like a newbody.
Was like, I don't know, maybe i'll like ticktoo lessons
someone come up pro Like I just I've always wanted
to learn. So it was the easiest, yest of my life.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
That's amazing. No, I totally relate to that. And before
I was even on The Bachelor, I was like, I
want to be a Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
How do I get on that show that looks so fun?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
It's like such a feel good show, you know?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
When I, uh yeah, when I when I first got
cast out of the Bachelor, and I was like considering
if I wanted to do it, and my buddies like crazy,
you could get you could potentially go on Dancing with
the Stars.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I would never go on Dancing with the Stars. And
then yeah, and then then it happens. Then it happens.
How uh, how do you feel about Sasha?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I love him, He's the best. We literally we met
in the airport, like he didn't even have a flight,
Like he didn't have a ticket for the flight. He
had to go to the gate and like beg for
a ticket. And that's how we met under like very
chaotic circumstances. We both didn't know if we were going
to make the flight, and it was since then like
fast friends. He is so easy to talk to, so comfortable,
(02:49):
like also just such a good person and he's just
been really helpful with this chaotic time and everything. So
I love it. We're going to be.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
Friends because he would have been thrown on last minute
as well. So you guys are really in this together
of like you're lives being flipped up tie down very quickly.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah, he was like in his bed. He's like I
didn't have a shower, I packed a suit. He's running
through the airport at the same time I'm running, like
it was very crazy. So yeah, very last minute.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I don't know too much about ballroom dancing, but I
do know that like technically Sasha is like really really good.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Okay, good good?
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Here wait who was your partner?
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Jenna?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Okay, yeah, which is who Joey's with?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah? Okay, okay, Oh, how's that beened?
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Great? Honestly, it's been really really nice to have a
friendly face there, And I like, good Morning America is
a lot for me because I was still kind of
processing the night before and then I was meeting all
these new people thrown into a new show. Like I
wasn't in like the headspace of like, okay, let's like
make bajillion friends right now, just like needing a little
(04:00):
bit of like I don't know, push, And like Joey
immediately was like, oh, let me introduce you to everybody,
like how are you doing? So it's been really really
good to have somebody there that like I know, like
Kelsey and I and Joey went to dinner like last
week and like we're all such good friends. So it's
been really great.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Honestly, Yeah, that is really nice because I could imagine
you're like I was, just like you said, the lowest
of lows. I'm running through airports, I'm meeting all these
new people. So to have him kind of be a
buddy and like you to be a buddy through this
is probably really nice. Do you feel like you're gonna
have an emotional crash or you like, I'm just on
(04:37):
such a high now, this is amazing.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
It's like kind of picked you back up.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
An emotional crash. She said, just for our listeners that
you're you're Canadian.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Crush.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
So did my accent Canadian?
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I have crushed? But I wait, now I'm hearing crushsh
emotional crash.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I don't even know what time zone I'm in right now.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I probably will at some point, and like it's gonna
come eventually because I think they still need I still
probably a processing to do, and I don't know, I
don't like, do I wash the finale episode again or
do it not?
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Like I probably not.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I don't think I don't do that.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
No, not, but no, I definitely have like a lot
of processing still to be done. But I'm just gonna
take it one day at a time, and and this
has all been an amazing distraction because I can't imagine
not having this and not having something to focus on
and not having something to kind of like wish me
along in this time. So I don't know, we'll see
(05:50):
when that crash comes.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
I feel like though it is both a really good distraction.
I also feel like this is just so cheesy, but
like dance is a great way to like work through
yours in a way, and hopefully this journey will also
help you process what you just went.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Through, of course, and that's what I'm most looking forward to.
Dance is such a great way to express your emotions
and get things out there. It's like such an outlet.
I feel like it's such a creative outlet too, So
I fully anticipate like balling my eyes out on the
first night of the dance because it's all it's all
I'm also dancing. It's like a very meaningful song. So
(06:26):
I just I know I'm going to be hysterical, all.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Right, So let's pivot into AFR.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
So your AFR was like truly one of the most
talked about I've I've seen in quite some time. I mean,
you can't go on social media and not to your
face like everywhere, which is great love Jen's face.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
So happy for you. Well you you know that you
got the dancer with the star, so iry it for you.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Can you kind of like, before we get into all
of what went down at AFR, can you talk a
little bit about your breakup with Devin?
Speaker 6 (07:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, like time what went down?
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Camera's cut, you're engaged. Can you kind of walk us
through what went down in those next two three months?
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, truthfully, I'm still trying to understand
it all, and honestly, like I don't even know if
I want to understand it all, Like we are where
we are right now. But yeah, I mean essentially, we
had gotten engaged in Hawaii and happiest day of my life,
and then we had a happy couple right after that.
And now when I look back on things, I'm like,
(07:35):
I there were so many little key moments that I
should have just taken note of, and I didn't. Like
in Hawaii when we're having our happy couple. The day
after we got engaged, the first thing he asked the
producers was like, how long do people stay together?
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And I was like yeah, I was like you're already
anticipating that we're freaking up. But I didn't think anything
of it at the time, but I flagged it as
like a really weird question to kind of ask. I
was like, why would you ask that?
Speaker 5 (08:01):
And for those listening who maybe don't know what a
happy couple is, just to clarify, it's like time with
the happy couple, Like they get to go spend time
in a house together and spend quality time off camera
but also in private so that the viewers don't get
the season spoiled for them because you can't be out
and about.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
But yeah, so that was kind of red flag number
one for you.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yes, And then that whole weekend it was like I
was like, oh, you know what, things are a little different,
but it's okay. Like we just got off a whole
ass TV show, like we both just mad had in
a process. But I was very happy and he seemed
very happy too, so like I wasn't thinking anything of
every day. Oh oh, Actually the other red flag was
(08:44):
in our fantasy suite. We had talked about the future
and like where we were going to move, what life
was going to look like after this and all this stuff,
and like the biggest thing for me was where we
were going to move and the fact that I have
family in Boston, and so we were just like, I
was like, I'm not moving to Texas, and I love Boston,
(09:05):
but like, I also love New York. You could go
move to New York. That we had settled on, like Okay,
in a couple of years, we'll move to California. And
then when my friend Nicole came for me Faily, I
had told you that. I was like, some of the
things I really love about Devin and I's relationship is
that we know what it's like to compromise for things
like he is willing to compromise on where we're moving,
et cetera. And she had told him that when they
(09:27):
had a chat, and in the Happy Couple with Devin
after we got engaged, he's like, oh, I didn't know
you told Nicole that we would be moving to California.
You're like, I don't actually want to do that. And
I was like, okay, red flag number whatever, because you
had told me that you wanted to do with and
now you don't. So it's like, are we suddenly backtracking
on things? And that was something that I kept in
(09:48):
my head, it's like it does he just say things
to make me happy but not actually meet them. So
that was a big fun for me. But since and
then since that day, like he kept backtracking on certain things,
like he would say, he was like, oh, we'll fly
and we'll see each other all the time, like it
doesn't matter about these happy couple weekends, like I love you,
(10:10):
like I want to see you. And then we had
an instant and after we got engaged, we couldn't see
each other for a month and I had told him,
I was like, just come to Amy, like we'll hang out.
We won't go out, like nobody knows this. Yeah, the
thing hasn't even been weird, and he's he suddenly was
like I just like I booked. I just booked a
flight to Mexico, Like I don't really want to pay
(10:30):
for that flight. I was like, honey, I don't pay
the two hundred dollars for you to come here and
hang out with me, Like what. So it was just
like weird things in terms of like effort. And then
he would go like missing for like eighteen hours of
a day sometimes and like I wouldn't hear from him,
and I genuinely think that he like got into an accent.
I'm like, are you okay, Like just like I'm not
(10:51):
I'm not like crazy, like just like are you okay
kind of thing, and I and I let it slide
in terms of like I was like, maybe he's just
like going through a tough time and he's like and
he would tell me he's like, I'm just like a
little introverted right now, like I am feeling weird after
the show, Like I'm my sleeping schedules just like off
and I don't know, there just be so many instances
(11:12):
in which I wouldn't hear from him for a whole
day or a whole evening, and it's like I don't
need to be talking to you all the time, but
like I don't know, it was just me.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
So would he not like respond to a text for
twenty hours? Okay?
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
And then what was the what was the was there
like an immediate plan of like how are we going
to make this work after the show airs?
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Like what what is what is the plan?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
I mean we both were we talked about it in
the fantasy suite, like we're gonna do long distance? Oh,
he said, He's like I work from home, like I'll
come live with you for like eleven days out a month,
like I can do that whatever. So, like, I was
very confident that we were going to make it because
he he had led me to believe that there would
be no reason otherwise, Like he was just so willing
(12:09):
to compromise everything. So I was like, long distance will
be fine, and he knew I was gonna be paceful
for another year, so that that was the plan, and
we were like I remember he was like not super
happy about the engagement, but like didn't exactly like tell
me why. Like he was like I remember feeling like, oh,
(12:29):
suddenly he's like scared to get married, which I can understand.
I was like, you know what, you're right, Like this
is a lot. And we had planned we were going
to get married in like two years. We said a
two year engagement was something that was like reasonable to
the both of us. So like things like that, those
were the plans. We were just gonna like see each other,
continue to date and all this stuff. But we didn't
(12:51):
continue to date, Like he never once planned a date
night for us, like long distance. Why, Like we barely
talked on the phone. It was it was just weird,
but I would go these happy couples and be so
happy because to spend that time with my posta. But
even in the happy couples, it was just it just
felt like something was you.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
So I know you've said this, Serena, you said this before.
Your biggest fear is meeting somebody on the show and
then getting off the show and it being a completely
different person.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
And that's kind of what it sounds like happened, or
even like.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Just a different dynamic than what you were set up
to believe you were signing up for.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Do you think that this was all a game for him,
like you were, You were a prize to win. He
won and that was his goal, and that's kind of it.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I can't speak for him because I don't know. I
genuinely don't know who he is as a person to
this day, which is crazy, Yeah, which is very very creezy.
The person that I knew was the show and who
he is right now is a completely different guy. But
obviously that was the first thing that came to my mind,
(14:07):
and that is that was like my biggest fears, Like
because I think with Mena is a competitive nature, so
I'm like, did he just want to win the show,
and he had literally told me, He's like, I didn't
want to get engaged, but I had wanted you to myself.
So I was selfish and I differicult because I wanted
to you, and I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
It was just like he wanted me to yourself, and
like where are you, Like, you're not talking to me,
You're not seeing me. When you would call him out
on his behavior or like question him about the way
he was acting, it sounds like he was just really
distant and detached from the relationship.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
What would he say.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
He see He would just say, like, my sleeping scheduled
sperod I just came off of the show. I'm like
a little bit introverted right now. I'm just like feeling
a lot And I know, I felt like he was
like a very anxious person. So I'm like I was
giving him so much grace and just being there as
best as they could and just giving him the time
to process everything. And also he was getting a lot
(15:12):
of hate by episode too because of the way that
he was acting on the episode, So like I was
just trying to be there for him and navigate the
space with him as much as possible. But I just
don't think his heart was ever truly fully in it.
And yeah, that was a big fear of mine. It's like,
was somebody here just to win the show? And I
(15:36):
mean it's clear that he wasn't there to win me
because he didn't even try to date me after, Like
it just did. The effort went from one hundred to
like zero sometimes five percent, it was, And I remember
feeling like every time he would try to do something nice,
it felt forced. It didn't feel like it was coming
from the heart for some reason, and it was like
(15:57):
I had this weird, weird gut feeling. And now, honestly,
all the pieces are coming together for me in terms
of like making out what his intentions were and what
this meant to him because of all the things that
are circuling on the internet now. So I'm just like,
I'm done.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
You know, At what point were you like okay, Like
we've had the I've called him out.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
He's not really validating my feelings.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
I'm getting a lot of excuses the efforts not there,
Like what part were you like, okay, I'm starting to
see this might not work out or when it ended,
were you still hopeful?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah? I was still hopeful. Like for me, I take
an engagement very seriously. Keim and I had talked about
it multiple times on the show, like we're only getting
engaged once, and him coming from a family in which
relationships don't work out, and he told me that expressed
his fears around that. I thought that we were on
the same page with that, like we're not taking this lightly.
This is a real engagement, and like we're going to
(16:55):
do whatever we can to make this work. So even
while I wasn't getting the treatment that I knew that
I deserved in a very healthy relationship, which is what
I thought I was signing up for, I still was
trying to make races like we're going through difficult time,
it's going to be fine. If we get through this,
we'll get through anything. And like I like, obviously I
(17:19):
had just heard like a lot of couple go through
hard times after the show, it's just it's hard watching
things back.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
It's fine, that's normal to go through that.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Yeah, Well, I thought that it was going to be
just these normal speed bumps and as if we were
able to work through, it'd be fine. Even after he
had broken up with me, I I was fighting for
the relationship for a month, like it was a push
and pull every day trying to just get out of
him like something and be like and just like work
(17:51):
through this because behind a moment dated in the real life,
I'm like, you've told me you loved me, you want
to marry and all this stuff, you don't actually really
want to try, Like we haven't really even able see
each other like that love is real, then you would
fight for that and you would wait until we could
actually date in the real world see what it was like,
get back to that same feeling. If that's how if
that's the thing that you're saying, is that you don't
(18:11):
feel the same way anymore, then like let's.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Try, like always have a dinner. You would think, like
you could give it dinner.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
And even buy me dinner. I haven't even bought been
bought dinner by him.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
Like what do you think did he did he ever use.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Watching you with other other men and like seeing that
you fell from Marcus as well?
Speaker 4 (18:34):
Is that an excuse?
Speaker 1 (18:36):
No?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Not once? Not once did he used so? No, And
he had broken up with me before all before Fantasy Speeks,
before Hometowns, before things like got serious in the show,
we were already by midway through the show, So you
had never once said anything about the other guys or
(18:57):
anything like that. I would always try and check up
on him, and you don't seemed fine, like almost too fun, Like,
oh yeah, too fine.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
When he called you to end the relationship, walk us
through that phone call.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, so so yeah, I mean, this was a messy
time in the relationship in terms of where my head
space is at and where his headspace is at. Like,
so we had just had a happy couple of the
week before, the weekend before, and things were just not good.
We were we were fighting, not making any compromises. It
(19:34):
was just bad. And he eventually I sat him down
and was like, let's like talk about this, like what's
going on here? And he basically said, like, I'm just
not happy anymore. He was like, some days like I
wake up and I just don't feel it. And I
was like, what do you mean by that? And he's
like I was like, he was like, some days I
wake up and I just like, well, I don't love you.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
And I was like, oh, but some days you wake
up and you do.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
How do I navigate that?
Speaker 4 (20:03):
That's rough to hear.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Well, it's just like I mean it's just that's not normal.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
I don't know, probably just like I don't know what
to say to that.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I did it. I was like mute for like two hours.
I was like okay, okay, we could get through this
speak Oh my gosh. And it was just a mess.
But we had basically left on Like I remember, I
was like sobbing because I was like I don't know
how to process this, and he was like he's holding it.
He's like it's fine, like I don't want anything to change,
like I love you. We'll work on this, We'll go
(20:35):
to couples counseling, we'll work on this.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
Right.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
So I left that weekend feeling pretty hopeful even though,
but also like defeated and just said, you're.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Like he's feeding you some hard true about his feelings,
but he's also saying like, look, I'm committed to the
relationship and I want to work on it, and you
know I want to get to a good place.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah there, yes, yes, And so that's why I was like, Okay,
there's full I think he wants to go to couples counseling,
doesn't want anything changed, he loves me. Okay, great, we'll
work on his feelings. And then what happened we got
into a fight like a couple of days after that
when we had left and we were booking the next
happy couple. And what made me upset about these happy
(21:23):
couples is he would take the latest flight out and
take the like into the happy couple and then take
the earliest flight out at like four am the next
day kind of thing, and that would that made me upset,
so like we I expressed that to him, and you're
talking about the next happy couple and he's like, I'm
gonna take the same four am play. I'm like, okay,
you hate me, Like what's going on? And then we
got into a big fight about that, and I was
(21:43):
just like, okay, like let's just take some space for
the weekend, because I just feel like you just wand me,
you don't love me on some days, and I just
don't know if this is like a feeling that I
want to be feeling right now in conjunction with all
everything that we've been fighting about. So I was like,
let's take space for the weekend. He didn't take the space. Seriously,
He's like still texting me, he's still calling me. So
(22:06):
I assumed everything was fine, and he had texted me
He's like, let's book that happy that couple's counseling. So
I booked a couple's counseling for us. And then it's Sunday.
I didn't hear from him at all, which I thought
was weird, and I just sent him a couple of texts.
He didn't reply, and then I sent him another text
(22:26):
and I was like, listen, like I'm sorry that we fought,
Like I really want to make this work and I
really do want to go to this Happy Couples counseling
and like just wanted to like let you know that
and like hopefully things are fine. He's like, everything's fine,
Like let's see at Couble's counseling for he just had
a rough day. Monday comes around. We faced him during
the day and seemed normal, and then he had went
(22:49):
to watch the show I think at his mom's house.
And after that night he sent me a very cryptic
text being like I because I had said, oh, do
you want to talk on phone? Then he's like, let's
like talk tomorrow. This is a conversation we'll have tomorrow
at the Happy Couple And I was like, I don't know,
I don't like what that means, Like just like call
(23:10):
me now, like let's just talk about it. And he
basically on the phone and like a two minute phone call.
This was that night. He was like I don't feel
this anymore. I don't want to be in this relationship anymore.
I just it's not working and I'm just like down.
I was like okay, one of the phone. The next
day we went we talked for like a fifteen minute
(23:31):
phone call. That was well, and he was just like
I I can't say SORR anymore, like I'm done whatever.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
And then were you like what was your reaction Like
were you asking questions? Were you fighting it? Were you
a agreeance? Like he's coming at you with like you're
probably a little bit in shock, like hey, the relationship's over.
You're like, I just booked Aus couples Counseling. Where is
this coming from?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I felt very blond sided. Yeah, I mean it was bad.
I was in Boston, I was not my friend's apartment,
and I was sobbing, like hysterically, saw like I didn't
have answers and I didn't know what to do. Like
in that moment that night when you called, I was
just like do I beg? Do I not? Like I
don't even know how I feel about this? Like I
(24:15):
was just sobbing the whole day and the next day
was sobbing too, like all day and we have to
talk to and I was like, listen, what's going on?
Like is there something? What is the reason? Like is
there a reason? Like can we work through this? You
had just said we wanted to go to toughs counseling. He's like,
you're right, I lied. I shouldn't have said I wanted
to go to Top's counseling, like I don't, like, I don't
(24:35):
want to work on this, like I'm just not happy,
and like that was that. That was Those are the
answers that I was getting. I tried so many times
to like, I don't know, like to be like, let's
just like figure this out. I don't know. I like,
I'm I'm confused.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
He was.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Was he ever able to give you some sort of
answer as to what changed his feelings from these like
really really strong feelings of love on the show to
because it sounds like it was very instant. It wasn't
like you spent so much time together for like a
month and then it was like a shift.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
It sounds like the shift was right away.
Speaker 5 (25:09):
So did you ever get an answer from him of
like what initiated that shift.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
What he had told me was that he was having
doubts the whole time and he just like wasn't expressing them.
And at this point the show hadn't aired yet. So
when he had told me, like I felt for sure
to get engaged, I didn't want to get engaged. I
I just I had so many doubts. I was like, oh, okay,
And then I watched the show back and I was like,
wait a second, you were seeing crazy stuff to me
(25:36):
that made me believe that you wanted to get engaged. Like,
I'm not crazy for thinking that you wanted to get engaged.
You wanted to get engaged on the show. So I
don't know if you forgot the things that you were
saying to me. But he was telling me he wants
a family with me, he wanted to marry me, like,
so I just I don't know. And he had said, like,
(25:57):
I wonder what would have happened if I had just
left that day that I came into your room and
like was asking for reassurance. He was like, I probably
should have just left that day.
Speaker 6 (26:08):
I was like, WHOA, Okay, I don't know listen, I
don't know what his motive was, but yeah, he had
said he basically didn't feel the same way he had doubts.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
So was it helpful for you to watch the show
back to be like, no, I'm not crazy, like he
did act this way or.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Was it almost?
Speaker 5 (26:31):
Was it also like hurtful to be like, you're now
telling me you didn't mean any of these things.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Ooh, Like it was validating in a sense of like
because for me, like I don't know, like I felt
like he was saying things and I was trying to
believe them, like, oh, I never wanted to get engaged
in all this stuff, and I was like trying to
believe it. But then I'm like, why are you saying
the things that you're saying in the show. There are
(26:59):
plenty of guys that have expressed their their yes doubts
about me about the show, about the engagement, but you
never once did that on the show, So I'm really confused.
So it was validating to watch it, but then it
was also heart for I was watching my heart being
worked every Monday, Like every Monday night was the worst
(27:21):
day of my life. And while I was crying and
just like confused and upset, He's out here posting memes
about the show. And I'm like, did this mean nothing
to you? Because if you truly feel hurt about this,
do you truly feel like you tried everything and it
just didn't work, you would not be out here posting
memes about the show, yeah, and promoting the show, Like,
(27:43):
because the way the show ended, you just broke my heart, Like,
what do you mean? It just it didn't make sense.
The way he was moving about it made no sense.
Especially after the break up, I think I got more
clarity on the fact that he's just not who he
painted himself out to me.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah, okay, Well, well I want to get into you
Afi will do that part two before we before we
end this episode, you mentioned you see you've seen a
lot of stuff with Devin online with like other women
or whatnot. Can you describe for our listeners what you've
been seeing.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, so obviously there's a video circulating around with him
in New York with this girl and that was like,
I think two weeks before Afar and we were broken up.
At that point, however, we had been talking and he
had been saying, we had been talking about meeting up
and seeing where things go, seeing if we can work
(28:39):
on this, seeing if we can endings on good terms,
or whatever it was. And also just like I've deserved
a conversation in person, like I wanted that conversation in person,
and not to have to do that on live TV.
He was leading me on to believe that there was
hopeing there was something there the whole month, and then
he's out in New York with a girl and to
(29:00):
my knowledge it's one of his ex girlfriends, and and
I it's just I've been getting a lot of DMS
and texts about what he had been doing in the
past month. Like there are rumors he was at a
bar with this girl making out with her three weeks
before Afar, and somebody sent me a photo of him
(29:24):
and her at the airport together flying to New York.
So listen, this isn't just some girl that you met
at a bar and you wanted to hook up at well,
this is an ex girlfriend that you're now traveling together with.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Which is funny because he is the one that said
he doesn't deal with exes, because he was the one
that was so strong about when your ex came back,
that he was going to leave the show if you
kept him. So the fact that he has an ex around,
and do you think he do you think she's been
around this whole time?
Speaker 6 (30:00):
I.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I don't know. I think these are the facts. He
goes missing for some days at a time, he immediately
after the show is like detached, not giving an effort.
He doesn't want to see me. And then now there's
this girl coming out and they're flying together to New
York and she's an ex girlfriend, and and it just
(30:29):
those are the facts, and that's what I'm seeing And
what can I do with that? Like, I don't know.
And the thing is, I did get a d M
when I came back from the show and somebody had
warned me about this girl, and I didn't believe it.
I was like, I love Devin. He would never do
that for to me. Yeah. Now I'm kicking myself for
not looking.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
In your shoes. It's very it would be very very
hard not to speculate on.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Yeah, I mean, I mean I would. I would be
out here like fuck him.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Uh, Okay, let's let's wrap this here, uh, because I
want to get into a FR in Part two. So
to all our listeners, thank you so much. That was
Part one with Jen h. We are going to get
into everything AFR in Part two. We will be dropping
that tomorrow, so make sure you stay tuned.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
And don't forget to subscribe. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Bye,
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