November 7, 2023 • 50 mins
Kat has seen your comments and heard your thoughts, so today on “Bachelor Happy Hour,” “Bachelor in Paradise’s” most talked-about beachgoer sits down with Joe and Serena to discuss it all.
Throughout the interview, Kat looks back on everything that has gone down in “Paradise” so far and shares her side of the story (not at max volume). She reveals what kinds of conversations she and Brayden had about their future those first few days in “Paradise,” why Tanner going on a date with Davia was especially hurtful, and why she didn’t feel bad pursuing John Henry while he was still involved with Olivia.
She also responds to viewers labeling her a hypocrite, acknowledges that her ego sometimes gets the best of her, explains why she’s grateful to have girlfriends who check her when she needs it, and so much more. Listen now!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm Joe and I'm Serena and we are here.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
With none other than the TV maker herself, Cat Cat
Cat from Bachelor and Paradise Cat. How are you welcome
to Hello?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
How's it going?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
What's going?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
You mentioned you mentioned right before you hop died. You're anxious?
Are you anxious for this?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
It's been a rollwin of emotions the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
But yeah, I get it.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Most of that is anxiety driven for sure.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Okay, so we just we Actually we also interviewed Jess
and I asked her. Yeah, I asked her this question,
which I will ask you going into Paradise. What were
you looking for in a partner?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
We're starting right off, Okay, let's go.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I would say my biggest thing that I'm looking for
when I was going into this is just like someone
that can be you know, someone that can be person
that you're in a relationship with.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
But like even it hasn't changed in Zax season.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
I do want a best friend and like a partner
I can do life with outside of just the romanticness
behind it. So that was the biggest thing, was just
to find like a person to lean on and do
life with.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
That.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I what was your yeah, and what was your dating
history prior to even going on Zax season.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
You know, it's the usual twenties dating history.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I had a few serious boyfriends.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I had a few nasi serious boyfriends. Definitely a lot
of lessons learned throughout all of it. But going into
even Zach season in Paradise, I really hadn't dated so much.
I was mostly just spending time with myself and my
studies and focusing on like moving and stuff because they
wanted to get out of Florida. But I would say
(01:52):
it was the most average common dating history you can
think of of a girl in her twenties.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Cool, all right, so like maybe five You know, we've
got like the.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Casuals, we got the serious ones, and now we're looking for.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
There we go like that.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Yeah, so you go down to Paradise, you're rocking, you're
green set. Who are you hoping to see when you
get down there? And then once you get down who
are the people that are like catching your arm?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
I was going down expecting and hoping to see Tanner
from Charity season and Tyler, and then I was always
open to just whatever, like like a wild card, I guess.
So I wasn't really going in with expectations. There's always
that hope, but I also wanted knowing that they I
might not like them. So those are just really the
only people that I knew.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Of and like I could like put a face to
the name kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
But generally, there wasn't too many people that were really
like catching my eye that first day. And I came
in a little bit later, I would say that, you know,
Blake is obviously very attractive. He was one of the
guys I was looking like, you know, getting drawn too,
and then Brayden eventually, but I was really just like
trying to get to know everybody, So it wasn't like
an initial spark on anyone that first day.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Totally.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
This is not like a trap question, even though it
may sound like one. Even though it may sound like,
well were you were you talking to any guys before
the show like dms, having any like casual conversations.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Or even like we saw like Kylie like had her
little like.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Emoji moment with Evan, like anything where you were like, ooh,
I think this person might be to me, yeah, or
like word on the.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Street to people like I, if I could do this
all over again, I would be literally texting them and
talking to them and being like, let's make this not
be awkward when we meet. But unfortunately no, cat Yes,
so great because I know, please, but no, I was.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
It would have been so great, says no history from
this franchise.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Ever, but it just still it would have like used
the nerves or you know whatever. And then I didn't
want to because I wanted to be natural. But the
really only thing that happened, like me and Tyler followed
each other on Instagram, and ME and Tanner followed each
other on Instagram, so that was like kind of are like, Okay,
I see you, I know who you are kind of
thing like, because I was really intentional with who I followed.
(04:16):
Sean was one of my friends from Tampa because we
had mutual friends. So I had been like his kind
of confidant coming off the show to kind of help
him navigate what was going on after Charity season. But
that was platonic and he knew that actually made it
right there, I did have to.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
He actually did say when he was on the podcast,
he was like, Kat is a good friend of mine.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Like yeah, I was like, I'm not going on this
this season, and like people like putting that together because
we talked as friends like no, no, no, but now
I didn't talk to anybody. I was too busy with
life and I did want it to be a natural
thing when we first met.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Cool smart. Okay, so we see I guess, like the
beginning of Paradise, you and Braiden, and I would say,
this is where you've gotten a lot of heat for
I guess going on a date and then like breaking
Braiden's heart or whatever had happened. But yeah, you want
(05:14):
to just like kind of get into your relationship with
Braiden prior to you going on a date with Tanner.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Okay, this is scary speaking I should scary.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
It really doesn't.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Scary in this moment just for what it's you know,
but people can see how they feel. Prior to me
going on the date, Me and Braiden had had multiple
conversations about where our explicifity lied with our relationship. One
(05:49):
I can remember in particular was in the.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Pool that day.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
I told him like, you know, hey, I I am
liking what's going on, but like I will I want
to be open with you, like I'm there was people
I was hoping to see that I'm here and like
I'm possibly like wanting to explore that if they do come,
like if you're comfortable with that type thing. We have
talked about it, and he responded with, like understanding, and
you know, we had had a lot of conversations about
(06:15):
where we saw our or at least where I thought
we saw our relationship going in the coming weeks, because
it was day two and even in the bonfire when
Hannah asked me that question about who I was hoping
to see, Braydon responded with in front of everybody, like,
you know, I know that we talked about it, and
(06:37):
I'm good in it.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I still want to just pursue her.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
So from my understanding, it was like everybody saw that,
like he's acknowledging that that's so mature, that's so great,
Like we've talked about it, like We're still just going
to like we like each other and I'm enjoying what's
happening and I'm leaning into it, like you know, having
fun and just affectionate and everything like that. Might was
definitely very affectionate with him, but at the end of
the day, like expectations and like we had talked about
(07:02):
it because I always wanted to make sure that it
was that we said. And yeah, I would say, that's
like where I was at before Tanner came in, Like
I was just nearly understanding that we're on the same page.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
I'll be totally honest, That's exactly what I like we
thought was happening.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Okay, Like I think you're getting a lot.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Of like people saying like, oh my god, like how
dare she go on this date? Like I assume we've
probably said this on the podcast, but we've definitely talked
about this, like to each other, Like our perception of
what was going on was you had said, like in
the Truth Serve, like I'm looking to go on a
date with like maybe Tanner or Tyler if they come down.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
We've been down there. We know day two, day three.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Is still so so early, like we were not exclusive
by that point, and it's.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Just like give me like a really well a really
dirty look there, Jesus, sorry.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
God, Well, anyway, but what I was gonna say is
I feel like Bryden seemed like he was more locked
in on you than you were on him. But at
no point did it seem like you guys were exclusive,
Like when Tanner asked you on the date, like I
was like, yeah, like, of course she's going to go
on this date. Like she's been verbal about this, she's
(08:20):
been like open about this. And because we only see
a little bit, I always assume you've said it more
than just what we've seen, do you know what I mean?
Like when you see something said once, you're like you
got to kind of assume that's been said.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Like and I will say, like.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
At that point when Tanner did ask me on the date,
you know, there's I guess this etiquette in paradise where
like you're supposed to pull them separately and like had
that conversation, but like I don't, I don't, I don't
know what to do. Like I'm like, after I spoke
to Tanner, I came back to the table and it
was still technically in a group setting, but I was like, hey,
like he asked me, like, would you still feel comfortable
(08:55):
with me going like I know the row ceremony was yesterday,
but you know, I was having a little bit of reservations.
I think, just based on our interactions in the last
like twenty four hours. That was like making me a
little bit more weary about where a relationship is going
to go. But should I have maybe pulled him aside
and like made it more personal and and I'm also
a little bit more in front of people so that
(09:16):
they can have a little bit more perspective. Absolutely, I
just I didn't like, I don't know like what to do.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
So I'm like, we've talked.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
About it, everybody knows here he is saying, okay, I'm
good to go.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
If he asked me.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Kind of thing, well, what was what was his attitude
when you did that?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
I was going, Oh, he was like all for it.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
He was like, have fun that I'll be here when
you get back, like, you know, just very understanding and
reassuring that I'm not doing anything that would have the.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Response that I did when I actually did get back.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah. See, I didn't like I was I'm with Serena
on that, like we when we watch it, I I
was like, yeah, I really don't think you did anything wrong.
The only the only time and you know, as a
viewer where I watch it and I kind of put
you at fault would be it seemed like you were
then upset with him being.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
But I do think that I do think that you're
you've given a little more context of why you were
so frustrated. And if you're saying that you'd had multiple
conversations about your status of your relationship and where things
were going, and you know that you wanted to be
going on these dates, then there definitely wasn't a betrayal.
(10:31):
It's totally fine for him to feel hurt by that,
And yes, I will say you were definitely frustrated with
his frustration, but I do think your backstory gives.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
More context against you know, in the moment when I
was being I come back and like your friends and
everybody is like all of a sudden against you, and
you're from the understanding of like, but wait, I just
stopped talking to him, and he even in that conversation
where we broke up, he was like, it's all good.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
It's on my computer.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Sorry anyway. So when you know, I come back and
everyone is like against me, it was just a really
overwhelming feeling in general.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Do I handle well, why do you not to cut
you off? But why do you think the girl like
the girls like your friends seem to be against you? Why?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
I don't know if they were necessarily against me Jess
is like my best friend for a reason. She's that
friend that will call you out and like sometimes I
live in my own world, like I'm literally like in
Cat's world sometimes, and like she is the kind of
friend that's like, no, you need to see this perspective.
And at first I don't hand them contoot well, very defensive,
(11:36):
but I come around eventually after I stop stumping my feet,
like I'm like, okay, you're right. But like I think
it was more her like trying to like have me
see someone else's perspective because she knows that. Like I
struggle with that, especially in moments that are so like
emotionally heightened, and I do feel like I have to
be on a defense mode. And I mean she has.
(12:00):
They had everybody had compassion for bread and they had
just seen him be very upset for multiple weeks or
for multiple hours, and then you know he's saying all
these things from it's all subjective, but at the same time,
like you see someone hurting, I think it makes sense
as to why they would have compassion. But I will
agree with you, my delivery was very poor. There were
(12:20):
some times that I like cringed and I was like disappointed,
in myself, but if I can.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Well, I also I didn't say your delivery with conversation
was like, well yeah, it just seemed like like he
whatever the conversation that you guys had prior, Like, if
he is upset, you should kind of be understanding.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
And the thing is is that I the reason I
remember this happening so much because I've never had someone
tell me this before. There was a moment in the
conversation where I was like, you are valid like I
you are not. I'm not invalidating your feelings right now.
And he said to me, I don't like when you
say that. I don't like when I don't need you
to tell me invalidating my fee And I've never been
no one's ever said that to me before, so I
(13:03):
was like confused. I I know that what I was
trying to do was like the intention was basically not
to persuade his feelings to feel any differently, but just
like to give some reassurance that I did actually care
about him. I did not just want to be there
for a rose. There were genuine feelings. So if that's
what you're feeling, like, let me like at least acknowledge
that that's from I'm telling you that's not the case,
(13:25):
so that you can maybe like feel better. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I just I wanted to at least tell him that.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
And it wasn't to persuade him in any way, but
at least give him reassurance in some capacity.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
That I hate. I hate the I hate the that
this person's just here for a roase thing, because at
the end of the day, everybody, it's it's so early
on that beach. Everyone out there is worried about getting
a rose.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
So then I'm curious, if you didn't go on that
date with Aniles, say tannor didn't come down, or he
asked someone else, how do you think the trajectory of
your and Brad relationship would have gone moving forward?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Just out of curiosity?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
That's an interesting question. I don't I think regardless of
Tanner had so. I think regardless of Tanner had came,
I think the relationship would have been ended because when
I came back, and you know, I ended the relationship
with him, it wasn't with the idea that I'm only
going to pursue Tanner now. I even said to him,
Tanner's still going to explore I may still explore too.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
It's still early.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I just know that, like, I don't feel comfortable with
like our relationship growing anymore.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
So it wasn't I want to just put my eggs
to Tanner.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
It was mostly just like I just know that I
don't see there being a future with us. And I
may have said that like a little too cold, and
it may have not came out perfectly and like it
was maybe a little direct and clear, and you know,
it could.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Have taken him, Well, I rather you do that. I
rather you do that than lead a mind.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Well exactly, it gave him the opportunity to actually develop
another relationship. If I had led him on for those
two days, he would have possibly went home. But because
I gave him that open, like, he was able to
be with Rachel the next day. Right, So that's kind
of where I was, like, I don't want to lead
you on. And I could have always seen his story
as much as I was seeing mine and taken more
into consideration where he was coming from and his you know, motions.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
But I was also just like doing the best.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
That I can, Like it was a lot that night,
and I was overwhelmed, And when people are overwhelmed in
these environments, they can come off very like guns blazing,
and I at least gave myself grace for that, but
I do like can reflect and say that things could
have been done differently.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Of course, why do you think, why do you think
everyone was so not everyone? I shouldn't say that, but
a lot of people on the beach were very gung
call in this narrative of like Cat used Braiden, Cat
just wanted a rose? Cat did Braiden so dirty?
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Like?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Where do you think that came from? Do you think
it was?
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Just like they watched him be so sad on the
beach all day, and like a lot of their compassion
went towards him.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
I think I'm a very easy person to pile on.
Brayden is someone that you can easily have compassion for.
He was making it very known to the beach his
subjective view of the relationship, and I was not, Like
I wasn't running around the beach telling people about our
private conversations, and so they really only had his perspective,
(16:32):
and I definitely wasn't gonna do it after he put
all that in everyone's head. So I just looked like
I'm defending myself, and maybe that led to it. I
can't really speak on anybody. I do know that I
am someone that, like is I come off very strong,
So I think that people think it's okay to just
like pile on, but like I still hurt, it still sucks.
(16:55):
I don't really know, but I do know that he
was making it. He was telling everyone his subjective view
of the relationship a lot more than I was.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
This is going to be a little harder of a question,
But what is what is your No? It's not that hard.
I mean what is your response? Because there are there
are people that say, like, what is your response to
people that like you are pretty? You're good looking, and
because of that, you're able to get away with acting
any way you want.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Okay, my response to that is it's hard, Joe. It
will be shown in time. But there have been a
lot of moments in my life where I have faced
a ton of adversity, and I have gone through life
(17:51):
going through hardship and being told no multiple times. I
think what you're seeing as a girl that's in her
own corner, and that might not be carried very well
in TV. And at the end of the day, I
came out of the womb literally stomping my feet and
rolling my eyes like that is not just somebody who
developed these traits over time, Like I have home movies
at me at one years old doing that, right, and
(18:13):
it's just who I am, And as you get to
know me, you know that that's who I am. I'm
not doing that at work or like at fancy dinners.
There's a time and place and Nefinlee, it's being heightened
at a moment where I feel the most comfortable. But
I would say that it's a very intense judgment to
make on someone just based on what they're seeing on
TV or how they look, because it'll be you. I
(18:36):
have eternal layers like and I have actually from I've
gone through enough time in my life too stand up
for myself.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
So yeah, and people and honestly, like the situation is
very brand new and strange and difficult, and people just
don't know how they would actually handle it. So let's
jump to the before Tanner ends up going on a
day with Davia, where is what is your relationship status?
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I don't know that was the problem. So I spent
that whole When Davia came in, it was like in
the evening time. So we've spent the whole day together.
I'd given him my rose the day before, and we've
had a very like less intense relationship compared to Braid,
And they're two different people, and I kind of usually
just matched to the person's energy, so we're not like
very touchy feely in general, right, But we hadn't talked
(19:27):
that day, like I was seeing out with like other people,
my friends, and there wasn't really like any time that
he pulled me away where we had a conversation about
our relationship at all, like where it was going to progress.
So when you see me losing my mind, it was
also from the sense of like I just don't even
know where we stand, So it might come off like
hypocritical and I'm getting karma, But at least in Bradon situation,
(19:49):
he had somewhat of an idea of where our relationship stood,
and so I really had no idea. I mean, I
knew he wanted to be open, but still I gave
him the rose time. But before has that changed, Like
we talked about this a few days ago, like I
still don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Did you want to be open or did you try
to have that conversation with Tanner?
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I didn't go on a way to have a conversation
with him that day because I was like.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Kind of putting the ball in his court to do that.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
I had an idea that like, I mean, of course
I would never tell him not to go on the date,
like he can go, but a little bit more like
understanding that, yeah, it's my birthday. We had talked about it,
we had planned it, like there was a lot of
things that were to dressed that maybe a little bit
of more. I'm not with my friends, I'm not with
my family, Like I'm here alone on the beach with
bugs and heat, And it would have been nice if
(20:44):
maybe you tried to put that into consideration prior to
accepting it, or at least let me know where our
relationships did.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Do you think if it wasn't your worthday you would
have felt differently or do you think it was, oh,
really okay, you'r a big birthday girl.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
And I know everyone's like I have a stick of
grown adults saying no, like I will do this for
the rest of my life. I'm sorry, but I'm also
alone on this beach, like I'm not with my friends
and family that I normally I am with, So it's going
to be high end of course.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Okay, but like taking a step back now and like
looking at it, like it's just unfortunate your birthday falls
on the same timeline as your paradise. So can you
really blame him?
Speaker 4 (21:25):
I mean I can't. I was born on that day
and I probably shouldn't have told anybody that it was
my freaking birthday, Okay, But at the same time, I
think in general, regardless of my birthday or not having
a conversation about where you stood when you had gone
the rose since we're going to focus on roses in
the season, the night before would have been nice because
(21:49):
he had all day to do it before.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
That date, and that was just and then I feel
like you touched on this.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
No, I was just gonna say so, like the chat
went bad, right, Like the situation wasn't great.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
There was a lot of tension between you and Tanner.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
What do you think he could have done or was
there anything he could have done specifically differently that would
have made the whole situation go over better other than
not go on the date with Daby, because I think
he was probably always gonna end up going on that date.
Like is there something he could have said done if
he if he pulled you that morning and you'd had
a conversation about like where your relationship was going, I
wouldn't honestly.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
I mean it's subjective, but I don't think that the
conversation that we had prior to Cam going on the
date with Davia went horrible. I think it was quick
to the point, and since like you know, Davia came
up and I gave her hug goodbye and told her
to have fun, like that's how it ended. So I
think if we had at least had some understanding and
(22:47):
like at least yeah, touched base on where relationship was,
it wouldn't have been as intense as it ended up being.
But you're worried that you're gonna get you know, left
over on this speech. It was that is your biggest
con And in that moment, I was definitely feeling like
I just got like he's just like an f boy,
And that was just in that moment, you know, where
(23:09):
I was.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Yeah, So then what would your response be to the
people that are saying you're being hypocritical because you went
on a date with Tanner after a few days with
Braiden and now Tanner's doing the same to you, and
you're really upset about it.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I also feel like you do kind of mention the
fact that you had expressed to Braiden where you're Yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Think the relationships the same.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
I just wanted to give you the opportunity to kind
of like address to that.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I would say, I mean, everybody is entitled to feel
how they feel from there.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
That's there.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
They're in the relationship just as much as ion and
in my understanding and why I think it's coming up.
Like I had spoken to Braidaen about where our relationships
stood and where I saw the rest of Paradise progressing
it and so. But in contrast, like me and Tanner
hadn't had that conversation a couple of days. I'd also
spent more days with Tanner than I had with Braiden.
(24:13):
Definitely more hours. You mean, we had an entire date together,
and we had a whole another day together. Then we
had whole Roaser Money day together, So there was a
lot more hours and time spent of getting to know
each other than even in comparison to Braiden. So it
is going to be more intensive. Oh and then my
whole day of my birthday, So that's like four days
compared to two, and a lot of that wasn't even
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quality time because it was a lot going on.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Yeah, I think the main thing, the main takeaway from
what you're saying is that you had a very clear
status of a relationship with Braiden and it had been
a short period of time, whereas when it came to Tanner,
it was a little bit more depth in that relationship,
more time sped together, and when it came down to
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him going on this date on your birthday, you're kind
of like, Okay, what's going on, Like what's going on here?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Like it was a lot less clear.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
It was, But I can see where that can be
like looked at as karma, you know, hypocritical, like all
the things that are being said, like you did the
same thing. But in my eyes, I did speak to Braiden,
you know, like I had talked to him, even maybe
it wasn't personal, but we had spoken in at least
touch base even that same right before he asked me,
And then like Tayner came and sat down next to
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other people, didn't even come and sit next to me.
You know, those are like the differences that like you
might not see it first, but like we're there. When
I came back from Tanner a nice conversation, I sat
next to Braiden and talked to Braiden. That was not
like that was the difference. It's not a comparison, you know,
it's not a competition on who does this better. We're
all just doing our best. I think people forget that
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we are like twenty year old, like in our twenties
dating on this speech with our friends. It's very difficult,
and so I don't fault anybody from doing it. I'm
trying not to even fault myself. But yeah, I mean
we're just we're just trying to survive. We're just doing our.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Best, Okay, So soriving, thriving.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
So it's just how it goes.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
So Tanner comes, Tanner comes back on a date with Davia,
and then you guys have a like a chat and
it's kind of like who's breaking up with who kind
of conversation. But I guess, like, yeah, where was your
head at going into that conversation and then where were
you after?
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I'm trying to okay, so what I was trying to
do the night prior was like just say with my
emotions see where they go. If I continue to get
like upset that he's not here and like that, like
you know, pick apart everything, then like I think that's
enough for me to say, like it's time to go.
And honestly, my gut was never really like fully leaning
into Tanner in general, I being honest, So you know,
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I went into that conversation being like, regardless of what said,
I don't feel comfortable proceeding. Let me just point out
that the guys have their roses that week, So I'm
breaking up with a guy who has a rose.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Anyways.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Okay, but what do you what do you say to
people saying that he was breaking up with you?
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Oh? I mean I was probably having an ego moment
for sure, like are you getting me? Every girl wants
to be like, no, I did the breaking up. Okay,
you didn't break up with me one hundred percent that
was me. But like I still know in my heart
that I went into that being like and that's why
I said it because they let him talk first, and
I was like I should have talked first.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
But still yeah, because once they get it out, once
they get it over out.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
My ego was being shown in every capacity like for
sure being like no, no, no, I did it. He didn't
want to be in it either, So then I was like,
you know, it ended up being mutual, and I think
that's why we can laugh at it now, but it is.
It definitely was being shown through like everybody could understand
where that that happens sometimes, you know, but I know
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I wanted the relationship to not for it anyways.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
So.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
There we go, Yeah, okay, and we talk about we
Serena and I actually talked about this on the recap
that you know, we believe is a good quality that
like you are able to you are able to get
knocked down and then and get up pretty quickly and
keep moving.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Yeah, I actually want to talk about this before we
get into your next boyfriend, but you are now we're
about to go into your third Paradise boyfriend. And truly,
I don't know if I've ever seen someone with such
like persistence and tenacity, but like you really do, like
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it ends with Braiden and like things like you have
like a bad convo with Braiden and then it's like
switch flip, like you're focused on Tanner and then like
switch flipped, and like I don't mean that in a
bad way. Like I feel like there's so many people that,
like when their relationship doesn't play out the way they hoped,
or like a comvo doesn't play out the way they
helped her in their favor, they want to go home.
They're like, hey, like this didn't work out, Like how
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how did you do that? Like where does that come from?
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I have a lot of resilience.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I have been told that that I'm a very resilient person,
but I just think in general, I've gone through a
lot of seasons of life that have contributed to that.
It takes a lot to knock me fully fully down. Granted,
in these last few weeks, I almost got there. I'm
not gonna lie, but like it takes more than just
like a relationship with a boy, like to bring me
down to the point where I want to, you know,
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be done with life. But at the same time, I
will be honest with you, like those moments of like
I look like I'm really mad, I'm actually like having
a conversation with myself if I want to stay. Because
there was so much that had led to like my
breakup in those weeks that like I felt like I
was underwater.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
It was like I just can't come above water.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
But at the same time, like I I'm a very
strong woman and I want to always like just put
myself first in the way that like is I don't know,
just be my biggest advocate. And I think just a
lot of seasons of life have contributed to my resilience
and it definitely was shown through on the beach, like
you're not gonna knock me down, okay, Like I'm gonna
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do this, and I came there.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I'm breaking up with you.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
You who's next?
Speaker 4 (30:14):
For Actually, you know, when the when the next boyfriend formed,
it wasn't even like who's next, Like I was like,
you know what, I had my own butterfly clip and
that's I remember being like I'm just a free butterfly,
like whatever the heck happens today, Like I'm just going
to lean into I have no expectations. I'm just gonna
have fun, like I was, like I said, down the leap,
so like it was just like natural energy that I
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allowed in and I just listened to it.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
And yeah, that's pretty much I think what I did.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
So from your point of view, where did Olivia In
John Henry's stand.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I don't I don't know. I mean they were hanging out.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
For sure, were you for are you friends? Were you
friends with her at the time, or was it just more.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Like no I had I was going through my own
obviously things, so like the main people I was leaning
on were my girls like Kylie, Jess, Mercedes, even sometimes
Rachel and stuff. Even a lot of the boys were
like my friends and people are like Blake was one
of my confidants that I would like talk through things with,
but Olivia was never really one of them because there
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was just some things that were said about other women
that like rubbed me the wrong way.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
So I just didn't.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
I never really felt comfortable having a friendship with her,
like on a personal level, So I never really had
any idea of like where her relationships did. But if
there was one person on the beach that I definitely
did not have even like an actual friendship, it was Olivia.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
So who was whore her?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
She was friends with?
Speaker 4 (31:48):
She hung out a lot with Eliza, that was her
like closest friend. I would say, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Okay, So then when you start like flirting in talking
to John Henry, is he just kind of just going
back it's does he bring up Olivia or where he's
at in that relationship.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
I asked him at some point and he was like
just saying, you know, yeah, we've been getting to know
each other and I like hang out with her, but
like he was still I think open to just like
getting to know each other. And in those initial moments
it was about just I was just like really intrigued
by him and like I felt like a weird like attraction.
So it was very like just a friendship. And we
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had became friends over a few days that he's been
on the beach, So I wasn't like, Okay, I'm talking
to you because we're going to date tomorrow and like
you're going to be the person I like.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
It was just like no, you know, and he's very easy.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
On the eyes, so he is really fun to talk
to you and I hang out with and just look
out in general. I remember I would forget what he
says because he would just like talk to me and
I couldn't hear him because he's so attractive.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
But I think you said that actually.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
It's insane, like it's it's never happened to me before,
and I was like, what's going on? So there was
just like a lot of weird feelings that were coming up,
but I was just kind of going with it. I
wasn't really like having any intention or expectations or like fantasies.
It was just like, you're like really cute and really
fun to talk to.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Did you have any concerns about getting to know him?
With Olivia on the beach and like potential confidence there.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I saw she handled the Kylie situation, so I was like,
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
I've had enough pair tare drama. But in general, I
never wanted to disrespect her. I never would want to
be like in front of somebody that she has feelings for,
and I would never be doing that in a purposeful way.
But we it's kind of hard in periodus because we're
all around each other, but I know I would. There
was multiple times where I'm like, I don't want to
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be doing this because I know that she still likes him,
and I would never want to like disrespect somebody. But
I was just a little worried on how that was
going to be accepted, just based on like what I've
seen thus far.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
If that makes sense, How did it How did it
feel when Olivia then after you're talking to John Henry
and we don't know, like the way it comes across us.
You're talking to John Henry and then she comes finally
comes over that night, pulls him and like makes out
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with him. What looks like to be in front of you.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Or that was so fun? That was great. I love it.
Just because I'm not doing it does not mean that
she's not doing it. Like I'm sure it was territorial
and disrespectful and blah blah, you know all that stuff,
but that wasn't going to deter me from I. I
could tell in that moment that that's not John Henry,
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like that was Olivia. So it's if that's how you
if that's how you display, you know, how you carry
yourself in these moments, that's fair, not sure, but it's
not the Bachelor. So it's not like I'm gonna go
and be like can I interrupt you for a second, Like, No,
he's a grown man.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
If he wants to be there, he'll be there.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
If he doesn't, he won't, you know, like he's it's
not just like he can make his own decisions for
himself too.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
So yeah, and how if roles were flipped and you
were talking to John Henry first and then Olivia came around.
How do you think you would have handled that?
Speaker 4 (35:23):
I mean he was hanging out with me, so like
if I was in her position and I saw him
talking to another girl after we've formed a connection, that's
not the like for me, I would never say that's
the woman's fault, Like I would be like, okay, like
you clearly like her, my ego's hurt. I gotta go
like that would be that's but that's how I handle it.
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But I mean that's not to say that that's like right,
but I I just had too much of like an
ego and like, like I just I wouldn't I don't
think be able to you know, he's he can make
his own decision like he's he's.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
I guess that is kind of how you like did
handle it though with Tanner, like when he went on
a date with someone else, you were kind of okay, like.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
My egos bruised and normal yourself, which is which is fair? Yeah,
I know, I'm very.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Aware of that. There's a lot of things I'm not
self aware of, but my ego is one I have
learned aware.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Now. I get it. It's it's difficult, it's it's a
hard like. You know, I think we're all the same way,
and we all go down to that beach, and everyone
that goes on the show, we all have a little
bit of an ego and none of us want to
get hurt, and we all know it's being televised, so
we're all, you know, in our own heads and doing
the camera crazy.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
You You are someone that I and correct me if
I'm wrong, Definitely correct if I'm wrong here, But you
seem to use your I T M as like if
you're like calling your friend to vent after like your
boyfriend just pissed you off, or you went on a
bad date, like yeah, I'm just gonna have my little Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
It's I'm appreciative of you acknowledging that because I would
just like to point out that, like I'm not yelling
at people's faces, like I easily could be being at
max volume like to them. I just choose to do
it in the camera, which I am. My eyes think
it's more appropriate, you know, to hit max volume in
a separate room and not to them. Granted sometimes the
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whole beach can still hear it, but you know, it's
it is a more of a release moment because I'm
like I wanted to probably do that then and I
couldn't because I would never do that to somebody. But
I am I saying, I'm granting. I don't even think
I'd take a breath in some of my rants. Like
I like, I speak straight up for five minutes. It's
like insane. It's very humorous to watch back. I'm not
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gonna lie. Sometimes I'm like closing my eyes in my ears.
But at the same time, it's it is funny because
I just being honest.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, honestly, the first time you did, I was like,
what is going on? And like by like the third time,
I was like, I love that. It's so hilarious.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
So I we're like, we don't hear your own tone.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
I mean like we like we're very I'm Hispanic and Italians,
so like, I don't know if that has anything to
do with that. I've been told it does. But at
the same time, like, yeah, I don't hear my tone.
Like sometimes when I'm like raising my voice, Jess will
straight up be like I'm lowering the volume like lower
and I'm like, oh my god, So like that happens
and I don't Sometimes it's definitely amplified on television.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
I get it too. You go on that, you go
in your interviews, you're and you go off and you're like, yeah,
it feels good, and then after you're like that I
shouldn't have did that, but whatever. Yeah, okay, So what
are your what are your thoughts? We're curious to see
what happens between you John Henry and Olivia, But what
are your thoughts on Braiden now going on a date
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with Becka after the whole Rachel thing. Any opinion on that?
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Well, you know, I in the moment like that I
saw that happen. I really felt for Rachel. She I
don't think sometimes like like wants to show her vulnerability
and like I could be wrong, but like I think
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she was hurt. Said okay, I think she's hurting more
than she's alluding to. And that hurt me because I'm like, oh, like,
you know, but when that happened and he went on
that date, I was just thinking, like, Okay, maybe he
sees my perspective now, you know.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Like it's and it's it does make you question.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
The intention behind what he did a few weeks ago
prior to that, like with everyone else, and you know,
if you were hurting so much, like you wouldn't expect
him to do it to someone else kind of thing.
But that's not my place to say. However, it's like
mostly I was just like, yeah, I mean, maybe he
can see my perspective and I I feel for Rachel mostly.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
But it's it is.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
It's an interesting situation. I would say, it says a lot.
There's a lot of telling parts that I will let
people form their own opinions on because I would never
want to guide that.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
But it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
We'll see now, we'll see, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
Wait, I have two more questions. I know you're trying
to like jump into the game. Okay, So no, you're
over time. Okay, So we have to quickly touch on
Eliza and ar And so we catch you in a
little bathroom chat with Eliza letting her know what you've
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heard from Charity about air and b What compelled you
to let her know what.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
You had heard.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I think the biggest thing that people are kind of
questioning is why have that conversation so late into like
their relationship and why not have had that conversation maybe
with Eliza when she first started talking to Aaron.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Okay, there were some things that were questionable about his character,
but I was never trying to like deter that or
determine like I didn't want to be the person that
like makes her make those decisions, right, But at that point,
it's not Yeah, I mean, if it's in the beginning,
you're still getting to know someone. I'm also like going
through my I'm in my own world. So this time
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I was finally probably able to step out of it.
And I'm a girl's girl, like that is who I am.
And it's not about the lateness, and it's just like
they're getting to the point where they're either going to
get serious, and like if I wouldn't have felt comfortable
with that, with knowing this information and not sharing it
with her at that point, if they were about to
like make that next initial step, like she had been
like they're definitely exclusive type thing, and I had already
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seen like her like wheels turning, and I'm like, if
I can give you any kind of at least context
for what life could be outside of here, this is
what I know. That's not in the intention to hurt him,
it was just like this is what I have. I'm
always looking out for the for the girl and like
take it for what it is. But I don't think
it comes down to the timeline. If anything, it makes
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more sense to do it later because that's when things
are getting more serious.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
No, I agree with that. And then Aaron b pulls you.
So Charity and Eliza not having a chat and Aaron
pulls you. And from what we see, my takeaway was
that he was mostly mad that you didn't tell him
about it, which was a little bit confusing to me.
But how did that conversation go?
Speaker 4 (42:32):
I mean it was just like if he had asked me,
I would have told him, you know, like if that.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
I didn't think the conversation went bad.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
He was very like fired up, and I kind of
wanted to just be like, hold on, I'm not against you.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
This was not intentionally to hurt you.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
This was like me just looking out for one of
my girls like that are on the speech, And that
was it.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
And if you wanted to have a conversation.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
About it and you'd asked me about it, I would
have been open and speaking with you.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
But it's.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
He's not like my girl, like she's my girl in
like that setting, So of course I'm going to tell
her and yeah, I don't know, I don't really see
the understand what the confusion is with that. But yeah,
at the end of the day, it was never intentionally
to hurt him ever or their relationship.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
I it's just if people are all talking about each
other's relationships. Obviously, I'm going to give some context from
what I know outside of the show, because we're all
sickly about each other.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
One more hard question because this kind of this, I mean,
it doesn't contradict itself a little bit as far as
like you are being a girls girl with Eliza, but
then in the same breath, Olivia's talking to John Henry
and you know me, it's.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Not my girl. Okay, she wasn't my friendly beage. We
were not Okay, we were not. I was just war
It's not that I did not not like her, Like
I kept my distance from her.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
There was one you were like friendly, but.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
Yeah, like I didn't confide in her. There was one girl.
I'm sorry that I felt comfortable like going like, you know,
not really like having any kind of second thought of
who that she was dating. It was going to be her,
And that's She's not a bad person. I don't like
dislike her. I think she's just not somebody that like
I got along with necessarily on that in the beach,
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and I had way closer friends.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
You just didn't feel the loyalty to Olivia that you
did to Eliza.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
In that situation. Yeah, where you want to, especially since
you know I had the information that I had. I
mean honestly, even with Olivia, if I had information like that,
I'd tell her too. But when it comes to like
pursuing another man that they're dating, like, yeah, Live wouldn't
be the first person that I'm like worried about.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
And you're also not the first person to do that.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
I mean, yeah, we're in here too, it's great. And
calling me a homihopper was we're all friends, So are
we all homiehopping?
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Like I'm just confused, like like.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Why everything, I mean, anything I do has to be
like put on this microscope and it's like but every
single person is doing it too.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Well that's why. Yeah, that's why the rose comment in
my everybody because it's like everyone everyone's and everyone all right,
let's let's play. We're gonna play a rapid fire questions
a game you want to go, sure, just the first
thing that comes to your head.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
And also easy fun. But it's not about you're.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Good, it's over, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Are you more of an introvert or extrovert?
Speaker 4 (45:31):
I'm definitely an extrovert. Should probably find my introvert somewhere.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
What would be your go to paradise cocktail?
Speaker 4 (45:40):
It was a tequila soda with lemon orange.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
I have to have the orange.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
What it's a good ad. What is the first thing
you would buy a few on the lottery?
Speaker 4 (45:51):
Oh wow, I mean I would just probably spend it
all in like facials and botox and skincare. I don't
think i'd buy it on anything specifically. I'd buy myself,
like just my face.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
What is one night on your bucket.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
To see mounta Fiji? I do you want to go
to see Mountfiji.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
With your air pods? What do you have any dating
deal breakers?
Speaker 4 (46:20):
Someone who's like just not down to be like silly
and weird, Like if you don't get the zoomies, like
or if you get afraid of my zoomies, it's already morning,
Like that's the deal breaker through me, Like you have
to understand that we get zoomies, if that makes sense,
Joe gets love too.
Speaker 5 (46:37):
What it's like when you just like wait, like you
wake up with so much energy and you're like running around.
You're like you're out and then you're back in and
then you're like jumping on the bag.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
But like, I think human's good too.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Like you know how dogs get the zoomies, It's like human,
I just.
Speaker 5 (46:51):
Never just learning something new about yourself?
Speaker 2 (46:56):
What is your love?
Speaker 4 (46:57):
Like, I'm all five am, I had to pick one?
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Is quality time?
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Okay? What is the first concert you've ever attended?
Speaker 4 (47:11):
Pritney Spears? Yeah, she was. I was an obsessed with.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Are you gonna read her?
Speaker 4 (47:18):
I am once I'm done studying for my boards. She's
the book I'm reading.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
Yep, that'll be very where he needed.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah. What is the most important item to pack for Paradise?
Speaker 4 (47:32):
Hands down?
Speaker 3 (47:33):
There's nothing else.
Speaker 5 (47:35):
What what moment from Paradise has made you laugh the hardest?
Speaker 3 (47:38):
My gosh, there's so many moments, but.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
Me getting smacked by the wave is in my brain.
And there was a moment right before that where I
also face planted the wave like took my feet out
and I like went into the water like I was
just getting wrecked that day and it was the day
I said I wasn't going to get my hair wet,
So it was just very funny.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
It's that's one of my favorite memories is that day.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
That is funny.
Speaker 5 (48:04):
What moment from Paradise so far has made you cringe
the hardest?
Speaker 4 (48:09):
All the comments about tongue and tongue rings and ass
grabbing and just like I need to just be quiet,
Like I am so overhearing myself to speak without a
filter sometimes that anything that's in that realm I close?
Speaker 2 (48:24):
What would be? What would be?
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Then?
Speaker 5 (48:27):
Do you have any like watching yourself back like you're
it's they say, like watching yourself actually looking in a
mirror right, Like you're learning so much about yourself.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
What would you say?
Speaker 5 (48:35):
Like, the biggest thing you learned about yourself is whether
it's like good or bad or regret.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
I would say looking back, even in Zach season and
Paradise in general, I have learned that I don't have
to always be my number one advocate. I have people
I can lean on, and I don't have to always
like be standing up for myself and be you know,
so ready to go, like and it's something I can
tell and just like my conversations.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
And how I handle things.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
I don't have any regrets because everything I did lend
me to where I am today. But at the same time,
like I am learning, Like, yeah, there are people like
colean on. It's just like I don't need you to
be so like ready to like do sup you know
when things happen in my life. It's just something I've
I've never really I think had to like learn about
myself until watching it back.
Speaker 5 (49:23):
Yeah, so you say you you've learned that you can
be less defended.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
There are people in my corner, I mean the only one.
Speaker 4 (49:31):
Yeah, that's a great one.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
All right, Well, Kat, thank you.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
This is nice. It's still anxious, but.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
I feel like, to be honest, it's never gonna go
in it. But we're doing well and I appreciate you
time to talk to me kind of just like get
my perspective of things.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
It's nice.
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Speaker 1 (50:14):
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Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I'm Joe and I'm Serena and we are here.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
With none other than the TV maker herself, Cat Cat
Cat from Bachelor and Paradise Cat. How are you welcome
to Hello?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
How's it going?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
What's going?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
You mentioned you mentioned right before you hop died. You're anxious?
Are you anxious for this?
Speaker 3 (00:26):
It's been a rollwin of emotions the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
But yeah, I get it.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Most of that is anxiety driven for sure.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Okay, so we just we Actually we also interviewed Jess
and I asked her. Yeah, I asked her this question,
which I will ask you going into Paradise. What were
you looking for in a partner?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
We're starting right off, Okay, let's go.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I would say my biggest thing that I'm looking for
when I was going into this is just like someone
that can be you know, someone that can be person
that you're in a relationship with.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
But like even it hasn't changed in Zax season.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
I do want a best friend and like a partner
I can do life with outside of just the romanticness
behind it. So that was the biggest thing, was just
to find like a person to lean on and do
life with.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
That.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I what was your yeah, and what was your dating
history prior to even going on Zax season.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
You know, it's the usual twenties dating history.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I had a few serious boyfriends.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
I had a few nasi serious boyfriends. Definitely a lot
of lessons learned throughout all of it. But going into
even Zach season in Paradise, I really hadn't dated so much.
I was mostly just spending time with myself and my
studies and focusing on like moving and stuff because they
wanted to get out of Florida. But I would say
(01:52):
it was the most average common dating history you can
think of of a girl in her twenties.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Cool, all right, so like maybe five You know, we've
got like the.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Casuals, we got the serious ones, and now we're looking for.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
There we go like that.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Yeah, so you go down to Paradise, you're rocking, you're
green set. Who are you hoping to see when you
get down there? And then once you get down who
are the people that are like catching your arm?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
I was going down expecting and hoping to see Tanner
from Charity season and Tyler, and then I was always
open to just whatever, like like a wild card, I guess.
So I wasn't really going in with expectations. There's always
that hope, but I also wanted knowing that they I
might not like them. So those are just really the
only people that I knew.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Of and like I could like put a face to
the name kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
But generally, there wasn't too many people that were really
like catching my eye that first day. And I came
in a little bit later, I would say that, you know,
Blake is obviously very attractive. He was one of the
guys I was looking like, you know, getting drawn too,
and then Brayden eventually, but I was really just like
trying to get to know everybody, So it wasn't like
an initial spark on anyone that first day.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Totally.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
This is not like a trap question, even though it
may sound like one. Even though it may sound like,
well were you were you talking to any guys before
the show like dms, having any like casual conversations.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Or even like we saw like Kylie like had her
little like.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Emoji moment with Evan, like anything where you were like, ooh,
I think this person might be to me, yeah, or
like word on the.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Street to people like I, if I could do this
all over again, I would be literally texting them and
talking to them and being like, let's make this not
be awkward when we meet. But unfortunately no, cat Yes,
so great because I know, please, but no, I was.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
It would have been so great, says no history from
this franchise.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
Ever, but it just still it would have like used
the nerves or you know whatever. And then I didn't
want to because I wanted to be natural. But the
really only thing that happened, like me and Tyler followed
each other on Instagram, and ME and Tanner followed each
other on Instagram, so that was like kind of are like, Okay,
I see you, I know who you are kind of
thing like, because I was really intentional with who I followed.
(04:16):
Sean was one of my friends from Tampa because we
had mutual friends. So I had been like his kind
of confidant coming off the show to kind of help
him navigate what was going on after Charity season. But
that was platonic and he knew that actually made it
right there, I did have to.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
He actually did say when he was on the podcast,
he was like, Kat is a good friend of mine.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Like yeah, I was like, I'm not going on this
this season, and like people like putting that together because
we talked as friends like no, no, no, but now
I didn't talk to anybody. I was too busy with
life and I did want it to be a natural
thing when we first met.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Cool smart. Okay, so we see I guess, like the
beginning of Paradise, you and Braiden, and I would say,
this is where you've gotten a lot of heat for
I guess going on a date and then like breaking
Braiden's heart or whatever had happened. But yeah, you want
(05:14):
to just like kind of get into your relationship with
Braiden prior to you going on a date with Tanner.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Okay, this is scary speaking I should scary.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
It really doesn't.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Scary in this moment just for what it's you know,
but people can see how they feel. Prior to me
going on the date, Me and Braiden had had multiple
conversations about where our explicifity lied with our relationship. One
(05:49):
I can remember in particular was in the.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Pool that day.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
I told him like, you know, hey, I I am
liking what's going on, but like I will I want
to be open with you, like I'm there was people
I was hoping to see that I'm here and like
I'm possibly like wanting to explore that if they do come,
like if you're comfortable with that type thing. We have
talked about it, and he responded with, like understanding, and
you know, we had had a lot of conversations about
(06:15):
where we saw our or at least where I thought
we saw our relationship going in the coming weeks, because
it was day two and even in the bonfire when
Hannah asked me that question about who I was hoping
to see, Braydon responded with in front of everybody, like,
you know, I know that we talked about it, and
(06:37):
I'm good in it.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I still want to just pursue her.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
So from my understanding, it was like everybody saw that,
like he's acknowledging that that's so mature, that's so great,
Like we've talked about it, like We're still just going
to like we like each other and I'm enjoying what's
happening and I'm leaning into it, like you know, having
fun and just affectionate and everything like that. Might was
definitely very affectionate with him, but at the end of
the day, like expectations and like we had talked about
(07:02):
it because I always wanted to make sure that it
was that we said. And yeah, I would say, that's
like where I was at before Tanner came in, Like
I was just nearly understanding that we're on the same page.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
I'll be totally honest, That's exactly what I like we
thought was happening.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Okay, Like I think you're getting a lot.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Of like people saying like, oh my god, like how
dare she go on this date? Like I assume we've
probably said this on the podcast, but we've definitely talked
about this, like to each other, Like our perception of
what was going on was you had said, like in
the Truth Serve, like I'm looking to go on a
date with like maybe Tanner or Tyler if they come down.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
We've been down there. We know day two, day three.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Is still so so early, like we were not exclusive
by that point, and it's.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Just like give me like a really well a really
dirty look there, Jesus, sorry.
Speaker 5 (07:59):
God, Well, anyway, but what I was gonna say is
I feel like Bryden seemed like he was more locked
in on you than you were on him. But at
no point did it seem like you guys were exclusive,
Like when Tanner asked you on the date, like I
was like, yeah, like, of course she's going to go
on this date. Like she's been verbal about this, she's
(08:20):
been like open about this. And because we only see
a little bit, I always assume you've said it more
than just what we've seen, do you know what I mean?
Like when you see something said once, you're like you
got to kind of assume that's been said.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Like and I will say, like.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
At that point when Tanner did ask me on the date,
you know, there's I guess this etiquette in paradise where
like you're supposed to pull them separately and like had
that conversation, but like I don't, I don't, I don't
know what to do. Like I'm like, after I spoke
to Tanner, I came back to the table and it
was still technically in a group setting, but I was like, hey,
like he asked me, like, would you still feel comfortable
(08:55):
with me going like I know the row ceremony was yesterday,
but you know, I was having a little bit of reservations.
I think, just based on our interactions in the last
like twenty four hours. That was like making me a
little bit more weary about where a relationship is going
to go. But should I have maybe pulled him aside
and like made it more personal and and I'm also
a little bit more in front of people so that
(09:16):
they can have a little bit more perspective. Absolutely, I
just I didn't like, I don't know like what to do.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
So I'm like, we've talked.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
About it, everybody knows here he is saying, okay, I'm
good to go.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
If he asked me.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Kind of thing, well, what was what was his attitude
when you did that?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
I was going, Oh, he was like all for it.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
He was like, have fun that I'll be here when
you get back, like, you know, just very understanding and
reassuring that I'm not doing anything that would have the.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Response that I did when I actually did get back.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah. See, I didn't like I was I'm with Serena
on that, like we when we watch it, I I
was like, yeah, I really don't think you did anything wrong.
The only the only time and you know, as a
viewer where I watch it and I kind of put
you at fault would be it seemed like you were
then upset with him being.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
But I do think that I do think that you're
you've given a little more context of why you were
so frustrated. And if you're saying that you'd had multiple
conversations about your status of your relationship and where things
were going, and you know that you wanted to be
going on these dates, then there definitely wasn't a betrayal.
(10:31):
It's totally fine for him to feel hurt by that,
And yes, I will say you were definitely frustrated with
his frustration, but I do think your backstory gives.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
More context against you know, in the moment when I
was being I come back and like your friends and
everybody is like all of a sudden against you, and
you're from the understanding of like, but wait, I just
stopped talking to him, and he even in that conversation
where we broke up, he was like, it's all good.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
It's on my computer.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Sorry anyway. So when you know, I come back and
everyone is like against me, it was just a really
overwhelming feeling in general.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Do I handle well, why do you not to cut
you off? But why do you think the girl like
the girls like your friends seem to be against you? Why?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
I don't know if they were necessarily against me Jess
is like my best friend for a reason. She's that
friend that will call you out and like sometimes I
live in my own world, like I'm literally like in
Cat's world sometimes, and like she is the kind of
friend that's like, no, you need to see this perspective.
And at first I don't hand them contoot well, very defensive,
(11:36):
but I come around eventually after I stop stumping my feet,
like I'm like, okay, you're right. But like I think
it was more her like trying to like have me
see someone else's perspective because she knows that. Like I
struggle with that, especially in moments that are so like
emotionally heightened, and I do feel like I have to
be on a defense mode. And I mean she has.
(12:00):
They had everybody had compassion for bread and they had
just seen him be very upset for multiple weeks or
for multiple hours, and then you know he's saying all
these things from it's all subjective, but at the same time,
like you see someone hurting, I think it makes sense
as to why they would have compassion. But I will
agree with you, my delivery was very poor. There were
(12:20):
some times that I like cringed and I was like disappointed,
in myself, but if I can.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Well, I also I didn't say your delivery with conversation
was like, well yeah, it just seemed like like he
whatever the conversation that you guys had prior, Like, if
he is upset, you should kind of be understanding.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
And the thing is is that I the reason I
remember this happening so much because I've never had someone
tell me this before. There was a moment in the
conversation where I was like, you are valid like I
you are not. I'm not invalidating your feelings right now.
And he said to me, I don't like when you
say that. I don't like when I don't need you
to tell me invalidating my fee And I've never been
no one's ever said that to me before, so I
(13:03):
was like confused. I I know that what I was
trying to do was like the intention was basically not
to persuade his feelings to feel any differently, but just
like to give some reassurance that I did actually care
about him. I did not just want to be there
for a rose. There were genuine feelings. So if that's
what you're feeling, like, let me like at least acknowledge
that that's from I'm telling you that's not the case,
(13:25):
so that you can maybe like feel better. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I just I wanted to at least tell him that.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
And it wasn't to persuade him in any way, but
at least give him reassurance in some capacity.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
That I hate. I hate the I hate the that
this person's just here for a roase thing, because at
the end of the day, everybody, it's it's so early
on that beach. Everyone out there is worried about getting
a rose.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
So then I'm curious, if you didn't go on that
date with Aniles, say tannor didn't come down, or he
asked someone else, how do you think the trajectory of
your and Brad relationship would have gone moving forward?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Just out of curiosity?
Speaker 4 (14:05):
That's an interesting question. I don't I think regardless of
Tanner had so. I think regardless of Tanner had came,
I think the relationship would have been ended because when
I came back, and you know, I ended the relationship
with him, it wasn't with the idea that I'm only
going to pursue Tanner now. I even said to him,
Tanner's still going to explore I may still explore too.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
It's still early.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I just know that, like, I don't feel comfortable with
like our relationship growing anymore.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
So it wasn't I want to just put my eggs
to Tanner.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
It was mostly just like I just know that I
don't see there being a future with us. And I
may have said that like a little too cold, and
it may have not came out perfectly and like it
was maybe a little direct and clear, and you know,
it could.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Have taken him, Well, I rather you do that. I
rather you do that than lead a mind.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
Well exactly, it gave him the opportunity to actually develop
another relationship. If I had led him on for those
two days, he would have possibly went home. But because
I gave him that open, like, he was able to
be with Rachel the next day. Right, So that's kind
of where I was, like, I don't want to lead
you on. And I could have always seen his story
as much as I was seeing mine and taken more
into consideration where he was coming from and his you know, motions.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
But I was also just like doing the best.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
That I can, Like it was a lot that night,
and I was overwhelmed, And when people are overwhelmed in
these environments, they can come off very like guns blazing,
and I at least gave myself grace for that, but
I do like can reflect and say that things could
have been done differently.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
Of course, why do you think, why do you think
everyone was so not everyone? I shouldn't say that, but
a lot of people on the beach were very gung
call in this narrative of like Cat used Braiden, Cat
just wanted a rose? Cat did Braiden so dirty?
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Like?
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Where do you think that came from? Do you think
it was?
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Just like they watched him be so sad on the
beach all day, and like a lot of their compassion
went towards him.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
I think I'm a very easy person to pile on.
Brayden is someone that you can easily have compassion for.
He was making it very known to the beach his
subjective view of the relationship, and I was not, Like
I wasn't running around the beach telling people about our
private conversations, and so they really only had his perspective,
(16:32):
and I definitely wasn't gonna do it after he put
all that in everyone's head. So I just looked like
I'm defending myself, and maybe that led to it. I
can't really speak on anybody. I do know that I
am someone that, like is I come off very strong,
So I think that people think it's okay to just
like pile on, but like I still hurt, it still sucks.
(16:55):
I don't really know, but I do know that he
was making it. He was telling everyone his subjective view
of the relationship a lot more than I was.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
This is going to be a little harder of a question,
But what is what is your No? It's not that hard.
I mean what is your response? Because there are there
are people that say, like, what is your response to
people that like you are pretty? You're good looking, and
because of that, you're able to get away with acting
any way you want.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Okay, my response to that is it's hard, Joe. It
will be shown in time. But there have been a
lot of moments in my life where I have faced
a ton of adversity, and I have gone through life
(17:51):
going through hardship and being told no multiple times. I
think what you're seeing as a girl that's in her
own corner, and that might not be carried very well
in TV. And at the end of the day, I
came out of the womb literally stomping my feet and
rolling my eyes like that is not just somebody who
developed these traits over time, Like I have home movies
at me at one years old doing that, right, and
(18:13):
it's just who I am, And as you get to
know me, you know that that's who I am. I'm
not doing that at work or like at fancy dinners.
There's a time and place and Nefinlee, it's being heightened
at a moment where I feel the most comfortable. But
I would say that it's a very intense judgment to
make on someone just based on what they're seeing on
TV or how they look, because it'll be you. I
(18:36):
have eternal layers like and I have actually from I've
gone through enough time in my life too stand up
for myself.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
So yeah, and people and honestly, like the situation is
very brand new and strange and difficult, and people just
don't know how they would actually handle it. So let's
jump to the before Tanner ends up going on a
day with Davia, where is what is your relationship status?
Speaker 4 (19:03):
I don't know that was the problem. So I spent
that whole When Davia came in, it was like in
the evening time. So we've spent the whole day together.
I'd given him my rose the day before, and we've
had a very like less intense relationship compared to Braid,
And they're two different people, and I kind of usually
just matched to the person's energy, so we're not like
very touchy feely in general, right, But we hadn't talked
(19:27):
that day, like I was seeing out with like other people,
my friends, and there wasn't really like any time that
he pulled me away where we had a conversation about
our relationship at all, like where it was going to progress.
So when you see me losing my mind, it was
also from the sense of like I just don't even
know where we stand, So it might come off like
hypocritical and I'm getting karma, But at least in Bradon situation,
(19:49):
he had somewhat of an idea of where our relationship stood,
and so I really had no idea. I mean, I
knew he wanted to be open, but still I gave
him the rose time. But before has that changed, Like
we talked about this a few days ago, like I
still don't know.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Did you want to be open or did you try
to have that conversation with Tanner?
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I didn't go on a way to have a conversation
with him that day because I was like.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Kind of putting the ball in his court to do that.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
I had an idea that like, I mean, of course
I would never tell him not to go on the date,
like he can go, but a little bit more like
understanding that, yeah, it's my birthday. We had talked about it,
we had planned it, like there was a lot of
things that were to dressed that maybe a little bit
of more. I'm not with my friends, I'm not with
my family, Like I'm here alone on the beach with
bugs and heat, And it would have been nice if
(20:44):
maybe you tried to put that into consideration prior to
accepting it, or at least let me know where our
relationships did.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Do you think if it wasn't your worthday you would
have felt differently or do you think it was, oh,
really okay, you'r a big birthday girl.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
And I know everyone's like I have a stick of
grown adults saying no, like I will do this for
the rest of my life. I'm sorry, but I'm also
alone on this beach, like I'm not with my friends
and family that I normally I am with, So it's going
to be high end of course.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Okay, but like taking a step back now and like
looking at it, like it's just unfortunate your birthday falls
on the same timeline as your paradise. So can you
really blame him?
Speaker 4 (21:25):
I mean I can't. I was born on that day
and I probably shouldn't have told anybody that it was
my freaking birthday, Okay, But at the same time, I
think in general, regardless of my birthday or not having
a conversation about where you stood when you had gone
the rose since we're going to focus on roses in
the season, the night before would have been nice because
(21:49):
he had all day to do it before.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
That date, and that was just and then I feel
like you touched on this.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
No, I was just gonna say so, like the chat
went bad, right, Like the situation wasn't great.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
There was a lot of tension between you and Tanner.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
What do you think he could have done or was
there anything he could have done specifically differently that would
have made the whole situation go over better other than
not go on the date with Daby, because I think
he was probably always gonna end up going on that date.
Like is there something he could have said done if
he if he pulled you that morning and you'd had
a conversation about like where your relationship was going, I
wouldn't honestly.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
I mean it's subjective, but I don't think that the
conversation that we had prior to Cam going on the
date with Davia went horrible. I think it was quick
to the point, and since like you know, Davia came
up and I gave her hug goodbye and told her
to have fun, like that's how it ended. So I
think if we had at least had some understanding and
(22:47):
like at least yeah, touched base on where relationship was,
it wouldn't have been as intense as it ended up being.
But you're worried that you're gonna get you know, left
over on this speech. It was that is your biggest
con And in that moment, I was definitely feeling like
I just got like he's just like an f boy,
And that was just in that moment, you know, where
(23:09):
I was.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Yeah, So then what would your response be to the
people that are saying you're being hypocritical because you went
on a date with Tanner after a few days with
Braiden and now Tanner's doing the same to you, and
you're really upset about it.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I also feel like you do kind of mention the
fact that you had expressed to Braiden where you're Yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Think the relationships the same.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
I just wanted to give you the opportunity to kind
of like address to that.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
I would say, I mean, everybody is entitled to feel
how they feel from there.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
That's there.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
They're in the relationship just as much as ion and
in my understanding and why I think it's coming up.
Like I had spoken to Braidaen about where our relationships
stood and where I saw the rest of Paradise progressing
it and so. But in contrast, like me and Tanner
hadn't had that conversation a couple of days. I'd also
spent more days with Tanner than I had with Braiden.
(24:13):
Definitely more hours. You mean, we had an entire date together,
and we had a whole another day together. Then we
had whole Roaser Money day together, So there was a
lot more hours and time spent of getting to know
each other than even in comparison to Braiden. So it
is going to be more intensive. Oh and then my
whole day of my birthday, So that's like four days
compared to two, and a lot of that wasn't even
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quality time because it was a lot going on.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Yeah, I think the main thing, the main takeaway from
what you're saying is that you had a very clear
status of a relationship with Braiden and it had been
a short period of time, whereas when it came to Tanner,
it was a little bit more depth in that relationship,
more time sped together, and when it came down to
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him going on this date on your birthday, you're kind
of like, Okay, what's going on, Like what's going on here?
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Like it was a lot less clear.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
It was, But I can see where that can be
like looked at as karma, you know, hypocritical, like all
the things that are being said, like you did the
same thing. But in my eyes, I did speak to Braiden,
you know, like I had talked to him, even maybe
it wasn't personal, but we had spoken in at least
touch base even that same right before he asked me,
And then like Tayner came and sat down next to
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other people, didn't even come and sit next to me.
You know, those are like the differences that like you
might not see it first, but like we're there. When
I came back from Tanner a nice conversation, I sat
next to Braiden and talked to Braiden. That was not
like that was the difference. It's not a comparison, you know,
it's not a competition on who does this better. We're
all just doing our best. I think people forget that
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we are like twenty year old, like in our twenties
dating on this speech with our friends. It's very difficult,
and so I don't fault anybody from doing it. I'm
trying not to even fault myself. But yeah, I mean
we're just we're just trying to survive. We're just doing our.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Best, Okay, So soriving, thriving.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
So it's just how it goes.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
So Tanner comes, Tanner comes back on a date with Davia,
and then you guys have a like a chat and
it's kind of like who's breaking up with who kind
of conversation. But I guess, like, yeah, where was your
head at going into that conversation and then where were
you after?
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I'm trying to okay, so what I was trying to
do the night prior was like just say with my
emotions see where they go. If I continue to get
like upset that he's not here and like that, like
you know, pick apart everything, then like I think that's
enough for me to say, like it's time to go.
And honestly, my gut was never really like fully leaning
into Tanner in general, I being honest, So you know,
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I went into that conversation being like, regardless of what said,
I don't feel comfortable proceeding. Let me just point out
that the guys have their roses that week, So I'm
breaking up with a guy who has a rose.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Anyways.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Okay, but what do you what do you say to
people saying that he was breaking up with you?
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Oh? I mean I was probably having an ego moment
for sure, like are you getting me? Every girl wants
to be like, no, I did the breaking up. Okay,
you didn't break up with me one hundred percent that
was me. But like I still know in my heart
that I went into that being like and that's why
I said it because they let him talk first, and
I was like I should have talked first.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
But still yeah, because once they get it out, once
they get it over out.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
My ego was being shown in every capacity like for
sure being like no, no, no, I did it. He didn't
want to be in it either, So then I was like,
you know, it ended up being mutual, and I think
that's why we can laugh at it now, but it is.
It definitely was being shown through like everybody could understand
where that that happens sometimes, you know, but I know
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I wanted the relationship to not for it anyways.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
So.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
There we go, Yeah, okay, and we talk about we
Serena and I actually talked about this on the recap
that you know, we believe is a good quality that
like you are able to you are able to get
knocked down and then and get up pretty quickly and
keep moving.
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Yeah, I actually want to talk about this before we
get into your next boyfriend, but you are now we're
about to go into your third Paradise boyfriend. And truly,
I don't know if I've ever seen someone with such
like persistence and tenacity, but like you really do, like
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it ends with Braiden and like things like you have
like a bad convo with Braiden and then it's like
switch flip, like you're focused on Tanner and then like
switch flipped, and like I don't mean that in a
bad way. Like I feel like there's so many people that,
like when their relationship doesn't play out the way they hoped,
or like a comvo doesn't play out the way they
helped her in their favor, they want to go home.
They're like, hey, like this didn't work out, Like how
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how did you do that? Like where does that come from?
Speaker 3 (29:04):
I have a lot of resilience.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
I have been told that that I'm a very resilient person,
but I just think in general, I've gone through a
lot of seasons of life that have contributed to that.
It takes a lot to knock me fully fully down. Granted,
in these last few weeks, I almost got there. I'm
not gonna lie, but like it takes more than just
like a relationship with a boy, like to bring me
down to the point where I want to, you know,
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be done with life. But at the same time, I
will be honest with you, like those moments of like
I look like I'm really mad, I'm actually like having
a conversation with myself if I want to stay. Because
there was so much that had led to like my
breakup in those weeks that like I felt like I
was underwater.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
It was like I just can't come above water.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
But at the same time, like I I'm a very
strong woman and I want to always like just put
myself first in the way that like is I don't know,
just be my biggest advocate. And I think just a
lot of seasons of life have contributed to my resilience
and it definitely was shown through on the beach, like
you're not gonna knock me down, okay, Like I'm gonna
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do this, and I came there.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I'm breaking up with you.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
You who's next?
Speaker 4 (30:14):
For Actually, you know, when the when the next boyfriend formed,
it wasn't even like who's next, Like I was like,
you know what, I had my own butterfly clip and
that's I remember being like I'm just a free butterfly,
like whatever the heck happens today, Like I'm just going
to lean into I have no expectations. I'm just gonna
have fun, like I was, like I said, down the leap,
so like it was just like natural energy that I
(30:38):
allowed in and I just listened to it.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
And yeah, that's pretty much I think what I did.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
So from your point of view, where did Olivia In
John Henry's stand.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
I don't I don't know. I mean they were hanging out.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
For sure, were you for are you friends? Were you
friends with her at the time, or was it just more.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Like no I had I was going through my own
obviously things, so like the main people I was leaning
on were my girls like Kylie, Jess, Mercedes, even sometimes
Rachel and stuff. Even a lot of the boys were
like my friends and people are like Blake was one
of my confidants that I would like talk through things with,
but Olivia was never really one of them because there
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was just some things that were said about other women
that like rubbed me the wrong way.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
So I just didn't.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
I never really felt comfortable having a friendship with her,
like on a personal level, So I never really had
any idea of like where her relationships did. But if
there was one person on the beach that I definitely
did not have even like an actual friendship, it was Olivia.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
So who was whore her?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
She was friends with?
Speaker 4 (31:48):
She hung out a lot with Eliza, that was her
like closest friend. I would say, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Okay, So then when you start like flirting in talking
to John Henry, is he just kind of just going
back it's does he bring up Olivia or where he's
at in that relationship.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
I asked him at some point and he was like
just saying, you know, yeah, we've been getting to know
each other and I like hang out with her, but
like he was still I think open to just like
getting to know each other. And in those initial moments
it was about just I was just like really intrigued
by him and like I felt like a weird like attraction.
So it was very like just a friendship. And we
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had became friends over a few days that he's been
on the beach, So I wasn't like, Okay, I'm talking
to you because we're going to date tomorrow and like
you're going to be the person I like.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
It was just like no, you know, and he's very easy.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
On the eyes, so he is really fun to talk
to you and I hang out with and just look
out in general. I remember I would forget what he
says because he would just like talk to me and
I couldn't hear him because he's so attractive.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
But I think you said that actually.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
It's insane, like it's it's never happened to me before,
and I was like, what's going on? So there was
just like a lot of weird feelings that were coming up,
but I was just kind of going with it. I
wasn't really like having any intention or expectations or like fantasies.
It was just like, you're like really cute and really
fun to talk to.
Speaker 5 (33:13):
Did you have any concerns about getting to know him?
With Olivia on the beach and like potential confidence there.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I saw she handled the Kylie situation, so I was like,
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
I've had enough pair tare drama. But in general, I
never wanted to disrespect her. I never would want to
be like in front of somebody that she has feelings for,
and I would never be doing that in a purposeful way.
But we it's kind of hard in periodus because we're
all around each other, but I know I would. There
was multiple times where I'm like, I don't want to
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be doing this because I know that she still likes him,
and I would never want to like disrespect somebody. But
I was just a little worried on how that was
going to be accepted, just based on like what I've
seen thus far.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
If that makes sense, How did it How did it
feel when Olivia then after you're talking to John Henry
and we don't know, like the way it comes across us.
You're talking to John Henry and then she comes finally
comes over that night, pulls him and like makes out
(34:20):
with him. What looks like to be in front of you.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Or that was so fun? That was great. I love it.
Just because I'm not doing it does not mean that
she's not doing it. Like I'm sure it was territorial
and disrespectful and blah blah, you know all that stuff,
but that wasn't going to deter me from I. I
could tell in that moment that that's not John Henry,
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like that was Olivia. So it's if that's how you
if that's how you display, you know, how you carry
yourself in these moments, that's fair, not sure, but it's
not the Bachelor. So it's not like I'm gonna go
and be like can I interrupt you for a second, Like, No,
he's a grown man.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
If he wants to be there, he'll be there.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
If he doesn't, he won't, you know, like he's it's
not just like he can make his own decisions for
himself too.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
So yeah, and how if roles were flipped and you
were talking to John Henry first and then Olivia came around.
How do you think you would have handled that?
Speaker 4 (35:23):
I mean he was hanging out with me, so like
if I was in her position and I saw him
talking to another girl after we've formed a connection, that's
not the like for me, I would never say that's
the woman's fault, Like I would be like, okay, like
you clearly like her, my ego's hurt. I gotta go
like that would be that's but that's how I handle it.
(35:45):
But I mean that's not to say that that's like right,
but I I just had too much of like an
ego and like, like I just I wouldn't I don't
think be able to you know, he's he can make
his own decision like he's he's.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
I guess that is kind of how you like did
handle it though with Tanner, like when he went on
a date with someone else, you were kind of okay, like.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
My egos bruised and normal yourself, which is which is fair? Yeah,
I know, I'm very.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Aware of that. There's a lot of things I'm not
self aware of, but my ego is one I have
learned aware.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Now. I get it. It's it's difficult, it's it's a
hard like. You know, I think we're all the same way,
and we all go down to that beach, and everyone
that goes on the show, we all have a little
bit of an ego and none of us want to
get hurt, and we all know it's being televised, so
we're all, you know, in our own heads and doing
the camera crazy.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
You You are someone that I and correct me if
I'm wrong, Definitely correct if I'm wrong here, But you
seem to use your I T M as like if
you're like calling your friend to vent after like your
boyfriend just pissed you off, or you went on a
bad date, like yeah, I'm just gonna have my little Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
It's I'm appreciative of you acknowledging that because I would
just like to point out that, like I'm not yelling
at people's faces, like I easily could be being at
max volume like to them. I just choose to do
it in the camera, which I am. My eyes think
it's more appropriate, you know, to hit max volume in
a separate room and not to them. Granted sometimes the
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whole beach can still hear it, but you know, it's
it is a more of a release moment because I'm
like I wanted to probably do that then and I
couldn't because I would never do that to somebody. But
I am I saying, I'm granting. I don't even think
I'd take a breath in some of my rants. Like
I like, I speak straight up for five minutes. It's
like insane. It's very humorous to watch back. I'm not
(37:41):
gonna lie. Sometimes I'm like closing my eyes in my ears.
But at the same time, it's it is funny because
I just being honest.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, honestly, the first time you did, I was like,
what is going on? And like by like the third time,
I was like, I love that. It's so hilarious.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
So I we're like, we don't hear your own tone.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
I mean like we like we're very I'm Hispanic and Italians,
so like, I don't know if that has anything to
do with that. I've been told it does. But at
the same time, like, yeah, I don't hear my tone.
Like sometimes when I'm like raising my voice, Jess will
straight up be like I'm lowering the volume like lower
and I'm like, oh my god, So like that happens
and I don't Sometimes it's definitely amplified on television.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
I get it too. You go on that, you go
in your interviews, you're and you go off and you're like, yeah,
it feels good, and then after you're like that I
shouldn't have did that, but whatever. Yeah, okay, So what
are your what are your thoughts? We're curious to see
what happens between you John Henry and Olivia, But what
are your thoughts on Braiden now going on a date
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with Becka after the whole Rachel thing. Any opinion on that?
Speaker 4 (38:51):
Well, you know, I in the moment like that I
saw that happen. I really felt for Rachel. She I
don't think sometimes like like wants to show her vulnerability
and like I could be wrong, but like I think
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she was hurt. Said okay, I think she's hurting more
than she's alluding to. And that hurt me because I'm like, oh, like,
you know, but when that happened and he went on
that date, I was just thinking, like, Okay, maybe he
sees my perspective now, you know.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Like it's and it's it does make you question.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
The intention behind what he did a few weeks ago
prior to that, like with everyone else, and you know,
if you were hurting so much, like you wouldn't expect
him to do it to someone else kind of thing.
But that's not my place to say. However, it's like
mostly I was just like, yeah, I mean, maybe he
can see my perspective and I I feel for Rachel mostly.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
But it's it is.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
It's an interesting situation. I would say, it says a lot.
There's a lot of telling parts that I will let
people form their own opinions on because I would never
want to guide that.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
But it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
We'll see now, we'll see, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
Wait, I have two more questions. I know you're trying
to like jump into the game. Okay, So no, you're
over time. Okay, So we have to quickly touch on
Eliza and ar And so we catch you in a
little bathroom chat with Eliza letting her know what you've
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heard from Charity about air and b What compelled you
to let her know what.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
You had heard.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I think the biggest thing that people are kind of
questioning is why have that conversation so late into like
their relationship and why not have had that conversation maybe
with Eliza when she first started talking to Aaron.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Okay, there were some things that were questionable about his character,
but I was never trying to like deter that or
determine like I didn't want to be the person that
like makes her make those decisions, right, But at that point,
it's not Yeah, I mean, if it's in the beginning,
you're still getting to know someone. I'm also like going
through my I'm in my own world. So this time
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I was finally probably able to step out of it.
And I'm a girl's girl, like that is who I am.
And it's not about the lateness, and it's just like
they're getting to the point where they're either going to
get serious, and like if I wouldn't have felt comfortable
with that, with knowing this information and not sharing it
with her at that point, if they were about to
like make that next initial step, like she had been
like they're definitely exclusive type thing, and I had already
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seen like her like wheels turning, and I'm like, if
I can give you any kind of at least context
for what life could be outside of here, this is
what I know. That's not in the intention to hurt him,
it was just like this is what I have. I'm
always looking out for the for the girl and like
take it for what it is. But I don't think
it comes down to the timeline. If anything, it makes
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more sense to do it later because that's when things
are getting more serious.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
No, I agree with that. And then Aaron b pulls you.
So Charity and Eliza not having a chat and Aaron
pulls you. And from what we see, my takeaway was
that he was mostly mad that you didn't tell him
about it, which was a little bit confusing to me.
But how did that conversation go?
Speaker 4 (42:32):
I mean it was just like if he had asked me,
I would have told him, you know, like if that.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
I didn't think the conversation went bad.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
He was very like fired up, and I kind of
wanted to just be like, hold on, I'm not against you.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
This was not intentionally to hurt you.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
This was like me just looking out for one of
my girls like that are on the speech, And that
was it.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
And if you wanted to have a conversation.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
About it and you'd asked me about it, I would
have been open and speaking with you.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
But it's.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
He's not like my girl, like she's my girl in
like that setting, So of course I'm going to tell
her and yeah, I don't know, I don't really see
the understand what the confusion is with that. But yeah,
at the end of the day, it was never intentionally
to hurt him ever or their relationship.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
I'm not.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
I it's just if people are all talking about each
other's relationships. Obviously, I'm going to give some context from
what I know outside of the show, because we're all
sickly about each other.
Speaker 1 (43:32):
One more hard question because this kind of this, I mean,
it doesn't contradict itself a little bit as far as
like you are being a girls girl with Eliza, but
then in the same breath, Olivia's talking to John Henry
and you know me, it's.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
Not my girl. Okay, she wasn't my friendly beage. We
were not Okay, we were not. I was just war
It's not that I did not not like her, Like
I kept my distance from her.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
There was one you were like friendly, but.
Speaker 4 (44:04):
Yeah, like I didn't confide in her. There was one girl.
I'm sorry that I felt comfortable like going like, you know,
not really like having any kind of second thought of
who that she was dating. It was going to be her,
And that's She's not a bad person. I don't like
dislike her. I think she's just not somebody that like
I got along with necessarily on that in the beach,
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and I had way closer friends.
Speaker 5 (44:27):
You just didn't feel the loyalty to Olivia that you
did to Eliza.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
In that situation. Yeah, where you want to, especially since
you know I had the information that I had. I
mean honestly, even with Olivia, if I had information like that,
I'd tell her too. But when it comes to like
pursuing another man that they're dating, like, yeah, Live wouldn't
be the first person that I'm like worried about.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
And you're also not the first person to do that.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
I mean, yeah, we're in here too, it's great. And
calling me a homihopper was we're all friends, So are
we all homiehopping?
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Like I'm just confused, like like.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Why everything, I mean, anything I do has to be
like put on this microscope and it's like but every
single person is doing it too.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Well that's why. Yeah, that's why the rose comment in
my everybody because it's like everyone everyone's and everyone all right,
let's let's play. We're gonna play a rapid fire questions
a game you want to go, sure, just the first
thing that comes to your head.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
And also easy fun. But it's not about you're.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Good, it's over, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Are you more of an introvert or extrovert?
Speaker 4 (45:31):
I'm definitely an extrovert. Should probably find my introvert somewhere.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
What would be your go to paradise cocktail?
Speaker 4 (45:40):
It was a tequila soda with lemon orange.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
I have to have the orange.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
What it's a good ad. What is the first thing
you would buy a few on the lottery?
Speaker 4 (45:51):
Oh wow, I mean I would just probably spend it
all in like facials and botox and skincare. I don't
think i'd buy it on anything specifically. I'd buy myself,
like just my face.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
What is one night on your bucket.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
To see mounta Fiji? I do you want to go
to see Mountfiji.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
With your air pods? What do you have any dating
deal breakers?
Speaker 4 (46:20):
Someone who's like just not down to be like silly
and weird, Like if you don't get the zoomies, like
or if you get afraid of my zoomies, it's already morning,
Like that's the deal breaker through me, Like you have
to understand that we get zoomies, if that makes sense,
Joe gets love too.
Speaker 5 (46:37):
What it's like when you just like wait, like you
wake up with so much energy and you're like running around.
You're like you're out and then you're back in and
then you're like jumping on the bag.
Speaker 3 (46:46):
But like, I think human's good too.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
Like you know how dogs get the zoomies, It's like human,
I just.
Speaker 5 (46:51):
Never just learning something new about yourself?
Speaker 2 (46:56):
What is your love?
Speaker 4 (46:57):
Like, I'm all five am, I had to pick one?
Speaker 3 (47:04):
Is quality time?
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Okay? What is the first concert you've ever attended?
Speaker 4 (47:11):
Pritney Spears? Yeah, she was. I was an obsessed with.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Are you gonna read her?
Speaker 4 (47:18):
I am once I'm done studying for my boards. She's
the book I'm reading.
Speaker 5 (47:21):
Yep, that'll be very where he needed.
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah. What is the most important item to pack for Paradise?
Speaker 4 (47:32):
Hands down?
Speaker 3 (47:33):
There's nothing else.
Speaker 5 (47:35):
What what moment from Paradise has made you laugh the hardest?
Speaker 3 (47:38):
My gosh, there's so many moments, but.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
Me getting smacked by the wave is in my brain.
And there was a moment right before that where I
also face planted the wave like took my feet out
and I like went into the water like I was
just getting wrecked that day and it was the day
I said I wasn't going to get my hair wet,
So it was just very funny.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
It's that's one of my favorite memories is that day.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
That is funny.
Speaker 5 (48:04):
What moment from Paradise so far has made you cringe
the hardest?
Speaker 4 (48:09):
All the comments about tongue and tongue rings and ass
grabbing and just like I need to just be quiet,
Like I am so overhearing myself to speak without a
filter sometimes that anything that's in that realm I close?
Speaker 2 (48:24):
What would be? What would be?
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Then?
Speaker 5 (48:27):
Do you have any like watching yourself back like you're
it's they say, like watching yourself actually looking in a
mirror right, Like you're learning so much about yourself.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
What would you say?
Speaker 5 (48:35):
Like, the biggest thing you learned about yourself is whether
it's like good or bad or regret.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
I would say looking back, even in Zach season and
Paradise in general, I have learned that I don't have
to always be my number one advocate. I have people
I can lean on, and I don't have to always
like be standing up for myself and be you know,
so ready to go, like and it's something I can
tell and just like my conversations.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
And how I handle things.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
I don't have any regrets because everything I did lend
me to where I am today. But at the same time,
like I am learning, Like, yeah, there are people like
colean on. It's just like I don't need you to
be so like ready to like do sup you know
when things happen in my life. It's just something I've
I've never really I think had to like learn about
myself until watching it back.
Speaker 5 (49:23):
Yeah, so you say you you've learned that you can
be less defended.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
There are people in my corner, I mean the only one.
Speaker 4 (49:31):
Yeah, that's a great one.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
All right, Well, Kat, thank you.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
This is nice. It's still anxious, but.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
I feel like, to be honest, it's never gonna go
in it. But we're doing well and I appreciate you
time to talk to me kind of just like get
my perspective of things.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
It's nice.
Speaker 1 (49:54):
And thank you everyone for tuning in. And remember all
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can stream both the next day on.
Speaker 5 (50:05):
Hulu, and make sure tune into new episodes of Bachelor
Happy Hour every week. We're going to have some great
guests on and we've got all kinds of exclusive interviews
coming up, so don't get to subscribe.
Speaker 1 (50:14):
Thanks everyone, and see you next time. Bye bye
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