September 10, 2025 • 34 mins
Today on “Golden Hour,” we have Jill Chin returning to chat all things “Paradise” and more! Our fan favorite is here to reminisce about her time on the beach. We hear her thoughts on all the drama, fun moments with Kathy, and how she feels about her departure. We also get some exciting dating and life updates from Jill! Then, we start our advice portion with the question of the day: Would you rather have constant butterflies or constant comfort in a relationship? Plus, Jill offers some advice to a listener struggling with deep-seated insecurities. Tune in now to hear all this and more, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour. Thanks for
joining us. We're so excited to be back. Hey there, Susan, Hi,
nice to see you.
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
Okay, today we have a very special guest joining us.
One of our first returning guests, Bachelor and Paradise fan
favorite Jill Chen his hair. Hey, Jill, you look so
different down on the beach.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I know, like, worse are better?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
No, you look amazing and I thought, let me just
get this out. You were nothing but class. I'm sorry
that you cried like you did, but I admired you
and you were being real and honest with yourself.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Thank you, CONGRATSA. When I watched it back, I was like, wow,
I was sadder than I thought it was gonna be.
Like I thought it was like a Girl Boss moment,
like Okay, yeah, I'm gonna leave at my court and
it was like kind of pathetic. I was like, my god,
I'll tear it up. Jill.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Do you remember me coming up to you going, wait
a minute, wait a minute, you're leaving because I overheard
you And I was like, what you said? I tell us?
What tell us what you said? Do you remember that?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
No? What it is all a blur? What did I say?
Tell me?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
You were just like I hate being friend zoned here.
I've just I'm everyone's and this isn't good for me.
It's not healthy. And I was like, but stay and he.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Wasn't there to find love, right, Yeah? So fun friendship? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Right? And I feel like I can see I have
like I can see what's going to happen. So you
know what's what's going to happen. Is Sean going to
give me his rose? Probably? Not? Like why am I
going to? Why do I even want Sean's rose? Do
I even like Sean?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah? How do you feel about that.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, I feel Oh, I feel absolutely fantastic. I feel
like I made the right choice obviously.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
How does it feel feeling all the love from Bachelor
Nation and all of us after leaving it?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Honestly, it's been such a crazy experience getting all of
the messages and how many people resonate with me. And
it's honestly because I've never really had that from Bachelor Nations.
Usually it's all like conicism and you're so blah blah blah,
But no, this time, I feel like it was the
most kind of accurate to how I felt and know
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people are seeing kind of the real emotions and I'm
always going to keep it real with you guys. So yeah, no,
it's been It's been really heartwarming.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And yeah, people out there that feel the same way
you did it situations, you know, they resonate with that.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
And how do you feel about all the comments people
said you should be the next bachelorette?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Oh my god, I tell them to be quiet?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Oh is that is that? Is that something you would
not do?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Then? I don't think I would. No.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Wait, wait, wait before you say Joe, wait before she
says no, I got an idea. We did paradise together, right, Golden?
Then yeah, how about you be the bachelorette and I'll
be the Golden Bacherette. We'll do what show would do bachelorettes.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I like where this is going. You should definitely pitch this.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, no, do share? Why would you consider not doing it?
What would you?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I mean, I've been a Bachelor Nation for four ish
years now and I haven't found a single guy that
I could see myself.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
With that was it just takes one Jill, I know, but.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Still, like I I feel like the next guy that
you everybody knows about will be my husband. Like I'm
not going to I just can't do it anymore. Like
it's I mean, obviously would it be a fabulous opportunity, yes,
but like I'm also like I got things to do,
Like I gotta like I'm thirty, Like we got to
get this thing rolling, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Wait a minute, wait, So you're going to keep your
private life private? I hear you, So are you dating?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I am dating? Yes? Of course I'm dating.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Oh love, we want to hear you tell us all
about your private lifcense you don't want to share?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Well, I mean, like I'm dating Okay, So here's the
stupid thing. So I haven't done the dating apps since college. Literally,
so I've really never done the dating app. So I
downloaded a hinge. Oh my god. I was told there
was going to be hot people, there was going to
be cool people, as far as I can tell him,
the best one on there. Like I'm telling you, it's
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been such a struggle, Like I hate it so much.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It's like it's like a full time job.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I got three dates this week, I got this guy
next week, this guy I gotta check it with. And
I'm like, I just can't. So yeah, but I I
am dating obviously.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Well how did you meet the date?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Like, what give us the Oh, well, there's like there's
been a couple. There's been a couple, you know, ponies
in the stable if you will.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
But I take it you're not serious about anyone yet.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Well maybe I am, but I'm just not going to
tell you.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Okay, I like it more than one date with the
same person of course.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Of course, yeah she's not.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
She's not a serial dater. I want to get back
since you're not going to share it, I want to
get back to some paradise because I want I want
to get the tea on this? What what is your
thoughts on all the drama, the paradise since you know,
since you left, and you know all that Jeremy's phone call,
everything that to Susie, just all of the drawa. What
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do you think about it?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Well, I mean it's like you could see these things
kind of bubbling beneath the surface, and now that the
money is involved, it's you know, getting pretty cut throat.
I don't know if Brian, I'm not sure if Brian
would have told Bailey. I think someone had to.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
My god, do you mean Jeremy. Do you mean you're
not sure if Jeremy would Well.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I don't know if Brian. I don't know if Brian
would have if the competition element wasn't involved, I don't
know that maybe he would have, maybe not. It was
a great opportunity for him to do that. I would
say it was a good play, but again, like you're
taking people who aren't, you know, who didn't sign up
for a competition sale show to play in this competition.
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So I mean, the whole Jeremy thing, I okay, I.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Hate to say this, but there's no one listening but us.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Jill, go ahead, right, no, yes, it echo chamber. But
like I and I've told him to this to his face.
I don't really care for Jeremy.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I've said it on that I can't tell you, but
there are some people that I will not you know,
I can't out other people, but I can tell you
you are not alone in that comment.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I know. And it's like whatever, Like you know, I
met him in person and he wasn't that really nice
to me. He's I think he's one of those people
that is only nice to women that they find attractive
or they you know, they care to know about yea,
they care right or like it thinks it's worthy of
their time. So that's fine.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
But I have you're gorgeous, so that thank you for sure.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
You're friends with Susie. Have you guys talked about all
the drama that that took place about her?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Of course we have, Yes, of course you have. Which
is so funny, like she's like I was on the
show for like twenty four hours and this narrative just
continues throughout, which is interesting. And I also, I mean,
I feel terrible because it's like, you know, she's being
but she can't speak her own truth. You know. It's
(08:04):
like she she's just being talked about rather than being
able to, like, you know, say things herself. I think, well,
I don't know. I think Jeremy was a bit delusional
because he's like, oh, you know, like I'll just I'll
just compose.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Wait, wait, let me let me just back up. You
think a guy is delusional for calling a woman that
he's talked to for let's call it ten minutes and
uh and saying I'd get down on a knee and
propose her. You think that's a sounds like a delusional guy.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Jell Oh, yes, man.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I know it's right. It's which is like, I don't
know what he's thinking. But also it's like she turned
you down, brother, you're going to marry her? Yeah, I
just it didn't make any sense to me. It's never
made any sense to me. Bailey's such a catch, like
and well she said it out of Jeremy's league, so
it's like, let's go with that, like she is so deserving.
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But you know, like, God, I hope that these Obviously
I wish the best for everybody, and I hope everything
works out. Do I like, you know, in my practical mind,
do I think that all these relationships are going to
work out. Probably not, you know, but lessons are learned
along the way, and those are valuable too.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Well, who do you wait? Who do you want? Which?
Which ones do you think have the best chance of
working out?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Sensor? And just they've always been good, you know, they're
so cute, so sweet.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Wait, if should I break the news now that Keith
and I are engaged?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And that's what I was going to say. I was like,
maybe you and Keith, maybe you and Keith, or like
Jonathan and Leyah.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I need your honest opinion with the man code. And
everybody was mad at Brian for telling me. Did you
respect him for doing that?
Speaker 3 (09:54):
And yes, of course I did.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
And do you feel like he did it for the
wrong reasons like you said earlier? Or he really did
care about her?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I can't tell. Brian's hard to read. Brian's another one
where I'm like, also this shout out to Brian's family.
Brian's family loves me, so I can't really thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I love him.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
He I mean, I'm not sure that there's a lot
going on up there in the sense of like I'm
trying to manipulate a situation.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Wait, wait with Brian. Yeah, oh my god, Okay, I think.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
That's saying he wasn't doing it.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Just a minute, No, what she said, there's not a
lot upstairs there.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Well, okay, I'm sad, you know what I'm saying. But
in terms of like being extremely manipulative, I don't really
think that was hism o. I think someone needed to
tell Bailey and he had a good opportunity to do it,
so why not do it? And also he had a
chip on his shoulder from Jeremy, so it's like if
I wanted to get revenge.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, and Jeremy you're saying, I mean, it's it's almost
comical what Jeremy says. You know, I was gonna tell her,
but you know, I had to get a good night sleep.
And I'm sitting there going, yeah, I was good to tell,
but you know, I had to wash my socks. I
was going to tell, but I had to write my
grocery list. I was going to tell her, but I
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was dusting my end table, Like, come on, but it's.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Eight days later, eight days later, Like you're really gonna
wait that long? He's like, I didn't think it was relevant,
but you kept bringing it up. I didn't know that
it was still pervasive. I knew that there was like
that he had maybe regretted his decision, but I didn't
know that up until the night that I left, that
he was actively talking about this. I had no idea.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
It was like that, what about the Sean and Alicia?
And have you talked to Sean since the show?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, I've talked to Shawn Sean. I mean, Okay, that
whole thing is a mess. It's a huge mess.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Whoa and whoa huge.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Mess and it's only it's only gonna get messier from
what I understand.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And I just said it looked like the previews.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Two things to say. I love the fact that I
am not involved.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I'm proud of you, Kathy.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I know, yeah, I agree with you, Jill. It's messy,
it's it's unkind. There's so many different uh, you know,
and yet both of those people were Everyone was so
kind to me on Paradise. I mean, they were lovely
people to me and good conversations. So I'm sort of mentally,
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sort of caught in the middle with that whole thing.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I would agree. I don't have a lot of experience
with Alicia. What I can say is like This is
so tough because, like, you know, this is what I've
had to learn throughout my like my seasons or my
time in Bachelor Nation, is like you get so close
to people within such a short amount of time, but
you've only really known them for like three weeks.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yes, that's right, but wait, we really know them? That's right.
Well you don't really, it's the reality of it. But
all right, so we've covered what you think about others.
Now I'm going to hit you up. What tell us
about Jonathan? What really happened between you and you know?
What have you guys talked about with regards tow this
the drama, et cetera. What what's going on? What happened
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spill the beans?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Well, okay, I mean obviously we had a misunderstanding, misunderstanding.
I misinterpreted these things that he was saying to me
with the information, you mean, the.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
One when he said date you, I mean that when
he said maybe I could date you.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Yeah, he was like, oh, you're making my decision hard.
You make my decision hard or something, And I was like, oh,
maybe there's a chip after I just said, you know, like,
are you open blah blah. So of course I misinterpreted.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
That I mean to.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I mean, this is with everybody.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, I know, and like and that was honestly, like
I feel so bet for Leo, but like that was
it was validating for me to kind of see the
pattern unfold, like, Okay, he's maybe really not even trying.
I don't think, Yeah, it's not me. I think that
he hasn't really given anyone a fair shot. And it's
like I'm giving Sean a crack, like come on, like
I'm giving Sean trying, me trying. It's like you you
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can be surprised by people, do I think that? Like
Jonathan definitely shut things off like a little too quickly.
I think because I think like we had a good
like he said, we had a good friendship. Brother, I've
known you for a day, like we we don't really
know each other.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I don't know friendship friendship.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
And then like you know, and then he kissed me
on the date and he says, well, you know, we
we kiss we kiss friends. Yeah, I kiss my friends.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
What well, Jonathan, if you're listening, I never got one
from you, so that that argument does not hold water.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
And Jonathan, if you're listening, you and I gonna sit down.
We're going to have a little talk. Jonathan's going on
with some therapy.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Jonathan, you better, you better. You know, you better be
careful because Susan does wield a baseball bat. Okay to
ask question. Wait, I have to ask for one question
before because I don't want to run out of time
to ask this. Okay, did you learn anything?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
She took my question.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Oh, I'm sorry. Since I was there and I'm a Golden,
I thought, you know, have you learned anything from the
Goldens that you've held onto while you're on Paradise?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Oh my god, yes. I First of all, I loved
having the Goldens there. I thought it was like it
was so fun. You guys brought the energy and like
seeing the way that you were moving, the way that
you guys moved throughout the journey and life is like
so good for us to be able to look up to.
And I honestly should have used you guys as more
of a resource because I was like spinning in my
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head and like not using you guys. So I wish
I used you know, you guys as a resource more.
But in having like, you know, some deep chats, it's
like I got to see what you know some some
of you guys are divorced or have lost loved ones,
and so it's like you get to see that that
perspective from you know, like if they could go back
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or you know, things that they've learned from the later
end of their relationships. I think we only think about
like the budding early romance in paradise, but getting to
kind of think about what happens at the end and
how meaningful that is was was really important. So I
really loved it. I really it was so good.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Is there anything you wish you would have done differently?
Are you not happy with everything? Good?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I'm so happy. Yes, I was. I was exactly myself.
I wouldn't change anything. I left when my when it
was my time, my sparkle was going.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
And yeah, well let me say it's first of all,
it's not too late. You call me anytime talk about
you know. I was always have an ear for that.
But I also want to know you were saying I
think I read or something that you wanted to see
Alex I can't even say his last name or Brian
Witzman did Are you in contact with either of those guys? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Anybody wasn't there that you wish.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Was yeah, I wish either of them were there, But
I yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
You know there is a little thing, Jill, you could
reach out to them. You don't have to meet them
on paradise.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
No. I know, I that we we have both of
those people I have been in contact with in the past,
and I'm pretty sure that they know that the door
is open. But so I'm it's not what is.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
With these guys, Susan, what is wan with these guys?
You are beauty?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Now, that's old saying that grass always looks greener on
the other side and then all of a sudden it
turns brown and they're just no.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Men idiots, not all men. But can we just agree
this morning that many men are just idiots? The fact,
the fact that you are single blows my mind.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I know it's okay, there aren't like it is okay.
It is I'm in such a happy place in my life,
Like I turn thirty, I've got some very exciting things
coming up, and I'm just I'm happy and I am
dating and it's fine, and you're just.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
The exciting things coming Yeah, are trying.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
So the funny thing is I can't. And I love
when people I actually hate when people do this when.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
They're like, but I can't tell you.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
I know. I hate that and I'm like, take you, Kelly,
but no, I actually can't tell you, guys. But it's
very exciting and it's actually my dream come true. So
it's so exciting and I can't wait. And no, my
dating life is good. It's actually really good and I'm
super happy.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Oh and will we find out this exciting news? What
do we know?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I'll call her later and I'll get it out. I'll
let you know.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I actually don't know. I actually don't know. I'm like,
I'm bound to secrecy, which is like the best part
seek that is.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
That's so awesome. I'm a little envious. I want to
know what it is.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
All Right, we got to move on. We're going to
go into our topic of the day. Okay, we're just
gonna ask a question where you're gonna give your thoughts
on it. Okay, Jill, all right, what matters more in
the long term partnership being best friends or being head
over heels lovers? Would you rather have constant butterflies or
constant comfort in a relationship?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
What says you?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
What do you think, Jill?
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I think that Oh my God, that's so tough because
you get the butterflies at the beginning and you get
the head over heels at the beginning. But I think
long lasting being best friends and being able to, you know,
be comforted by that person is one hundred percent more important.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I agree, But I want both all the time.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Of course, you want both all the time. But God,
you know, God doesn't give us both hands.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I know, having your best friends, yeah, I think we
can all safely. I mean, I think a long term
partnership it evolves over time and the butterflies, you know,
the caterpillars turned into butterflies, the butterflies fly away, whatever
it is, I think over time relationships changed. So that's
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why I think I always want to have that best friend.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I agree, but getting excited when he walked into the
room even a year later, like oh there's my man,
you know, like that's a good feeling.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It is a good feeling. I think that there's a
good mix. But like, yeah, it ebbs and flows. Relationships
ebb and flow, and you have to you know, sometimes
you'll have that spark. Sometimes you don't put as long
as you're committed to another into making it work, and
the relationship as a whole. You're gonna be fine.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Absolutely. We have these questions written in but our fans
and we give them a bit of advice, and today
we would like your input. Is that okay?
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yes, of course I love giving advice.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
This one is from Carly and she's thirty six and
from Miami, Florida. From woman to woman, I've been really
struggling with my body. Every time I look back at
photos with my family and friends, I find myself critiquing
how I look instead of enjoying the moment. That's just
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a female thing. This has been going on since I
gave birth two years ago, and lately I feel like
there's no excuse to still look this way. Most of
the people I know with toddlers have already lost their
baby way, and it makes me anxious about the possibility
of getting pregnant again. Though my husband and I want
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to give our daughters a sibling, I worry about how
I'll look and feel after the second time. I know
my body created life, blah blah blah, and I understand
all the self love narratives, but that doesn't stop me
from feeling frustrated and unhappy with myself. I'd love some
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words of wisdom on cultivating self love. Does this struggle
with our bodies as women ever truly go away as
we get older or is it something we just learn
to live with?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Well, Jill, since you've had four or five children, how
did you fell out here first?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
That's what I was like. I feel like I can't
really comment on this. My best friend just had a
baby though, is their second baby, and she's kind of
dealing with the same thing. And I would never blame
anybody for taking, you know, measures to make themselves feel
good and look good. I'm not saying, like, you know,
anything extreme, but if it's something little you can do,
definitely do it. But I think that for me, I've
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heard this before that it's like I've never seen somebody's
body and thought about it for more than a second.
I like, if someone's on the beach, like you know,
I'm always self conscious on the beach, I've never gone
to the beach and seen a body that has stuck
in my memory, you know, it's just not at the
forefront of my mind. And the people who judge are
there's something deeply wrong with them. I think that you know,
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you can't have your body prevent you from doing from
doing anything in your life, especially you know, if you
want to have more kids or you know whatever. I
don't think that I fully understand, Like it's like the
self consciousness and feeling like you know that that worry.
I totally understand it. But there are things in life
that you really can't control, and there's things you can control,
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and you have to kind of like pick and choose
your battles. There's a lot there's people out there with
you know, like physical disabilities that can't change their situation,
and so there has to be the level of acceptance.
But I think, you know, like be kind to yourself.
You did you created life, and it's like a beautiful
thing and you should just enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I agree. And there's always surgery after the second one
if you need it, it's going to make you feel better.
But the self love part, yea, That for me came
with maturity yeay later in life and love it. When
I came off the Golden Bachelor, that was the first
thing I said, I'm good with who I am. I'm
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comfortable in my own skin. Yes, I do the same
thing a Carly look at pictures and go damn I
look good then if I only knew what I know
now and look like that'd be dangerous. So like it changes,
it's normal, it's life.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
And I feel like I feel like it's always the gross.
Like you said, the grass is always greener. I look
at pictures of me from like two years ago, and
I'm like, oh my god, if I was only looking
like that, but that time I was looking at pictures ago.
So you have to like enjoy where you're at.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, But I will say having children, I gained I
have three, and I gained a lot of weight with
each child, Carly, and I will say it took me
almost a year to get off the weight with each
child and.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Each which is normal.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Well, I have a lot of friends who you know,
a month later were back in their skinny jeans, and
you know that wasn't me. I had a rough time.
I get I get your problem here, Carly. I was
exactly there. I had a really hard time getting the
weight off. And what I would say to you is
everything that Jill and siss are saying, which is, you know,
give yourself some grace and some time. But the other
(25:01):
thing that might help you is just get on walk,
do something for yourself ten minutes of exercise that'll make
you feel like you're moving towards your goal of getting
back in shape, feeling better about yourself, because nobody can
tell you to feel good about yourself. If you don't,
you're just not going to hear it. Right. And I
(25:24):
think as we get older, well, things shift, But you
like I frankly look better now than I did when
I was younger, just because I work hard at it.
So I don't think necessarily where she says do we
struggle with our bodies, does it ever truly go away?
(25:45):
I think that's up to the individual woman. It's a
lot of women, I think use getting older as an excuse.
That's their choice to do it. But men, I think
this is crucial, critical to you know, for some people,
it didn't bother me at all. That's what I'm saying.
It's just everyone has their own journey. But I think Carly,
the biggest thing is be kind to yourself. As Jill said,
(26:07):
You've brought this child into the world, and you don't
want to look back ten years from now and say,
you know, so what I was ten pounds or fifteen
pounds more. I wish I'd had another child.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
So and I also know Carly that it is so normal.
We all look good ten years ago in our pictures.
Two years ago, it was a good picture, you know it.
But look where you are now. You have children, you
gave birth, and you're still hot. You know, you're hot
in your own way. You got to feel good about yourself.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I think what helps me is just like the last
thing I'll say back because I don't have kids, but
I think for me, like whenever i'm feeling that way,
I think if everything is temporary, like I'm like, okay,
this is just the way that I said I look
now and that's okay, and it's going to change, and
so everything is temporary.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, I love that. That is very good advice, Carly.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Be good to yourself and love yourself because.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
And let us know if you get pregnant what you have,
because kids are great, you know, go from two to three,
maybe go and have four, you know, just going you know,
the five babies.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Are any questions you have for us before we have.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
To oh my god, that I have for you guys? Yeah, okay,
So Susan, are you still with that Frenchman? Yes?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Well he's there and I'm here that's a struggle.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
But yes, yes, okay, and yeah, so how are you
dealing with like the distance?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
It sucks, especially because he was due to come tonight.
O he canceled. Yes, he couldn't hit the gentleman his
friend that was going to watch his dog. Well, that
guy was walking his own dog and he got in
a fight with astray and he got mange. And it's
really contagent. It was like a big thing. And I
(27:51):
only found out a couple of days ago, and I
was like, it's like deflating your balloon, you know. Yeah,
And I don't know when the next time that I'll
see him, So yeah, that part is not fun.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
That part's not fun. Okay, but so do you think,
like do you regret not, like, you know, being in
a relationship and not going on paradise.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
No, he's a great man.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Okay, good.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yes, I love to hear that. And he makes me
feel good, you know, I love being around them. Kathy knows.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah, yeah, okay, that's good.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I'm sick of hearing about it. Susan.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I literally like everybody who has like a happy relationship with.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
My congratulations.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Years.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I'm so happy for you.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Yes, Okay, now I push it for Kathy. Okay, so
what did what was your perspective on Paradise and what
would you tell the younger people there about what question
about about the way that we were acting.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
What you saw?
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Well, do you mean the drama or just getting to
know guys?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I mean, I think okay, maybe like on how to
like cultivate proper Do you think Paradise is a place
you can properly cultivate a relationship?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Absolutely? I think that it is. What I said to
the young ones that I call them the young ands,
I said to all of them, use this time. You know,
this is a rarity where you have no responsibilities. You
don't have to cook, clean, you're not at your job.
You have all this time to get to know someone.
And this is just like a jump start of a relationship.
(29:26):
But as you said, Jill, when you leave here and
you jump back into the real world, you're going to
have to manage things like money, You're going to have
to find out where you're going to live. You're going
to find out if you really are compatible when the
pressures of the outside world face you. So my advice
to all of them was give yourself some grace and
realize that things will change a little bit when you
(29:47):
go home. Doesn't mean it's good or bad. It's just
there's going to be an adjustment parod when you go
home from pared.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
And I think Jess is doing a good job of
that because when she says, I don't know that I'm
going to move right in with you immediately right And
that made me nervous because it was like a cliffhanger
that one week. And then they talked about it and
he's such a sweetheart and he goes, we'll do it
on your time. You know, I'll be patient. But his
friends are all getting married having kids, and he wants
(30:15):
to stay up with that so the kids can be
raised together and not get it.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And I mean there space, and I think there's several
relationships there that not necessarily our paradise, but overall over
the seasons of Paradise that people have met and married
and have great relationships. So it's like anything else in life.
You know, you have to kiss a lot of frauds,
(30:39):
but it's a great opportunity to have these budding relationships
and see where it goes. So yeah, I thought it.
I think it's a great opportunity.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I mean, I'm sorry, one where they threw money in it.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
No, no, I've never been on one that they thren
money on it. And and people are like your friends
for the money. I'm like, that's five for a thousand
dollars was never going to be mine? Like if there's
no way, who is I going to be a Sean?
Like no, but wait, it's not. No man is worth
that money.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I'm sorry, no, no, no, You're you're mixing it up.
And I've said this repeatedly just because you you have
your relationships on money and you have your money on
the other right, So during these challenges, depending on who
wins and it doesn't, Keith and I have a great relationship.
We couldn't halftime, we couldn't get the answers right. So
(31:32):
the money and the relationship are different in my In
my book, you can still walk away from Paradise with
no money and have a great love. I think you
could conceivably walk away with Paradise with a lot of
money and no relationship just the couple you had, they're
coupled up. So I don't necessarily think money and love
go together in that I think it was.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
A big twist when they threw that in and now
towards the end and they're given, you know, making you
think twice it's going to be love or money. So
somebody also I could think of as somebody that I
think is so in love is going to diss the
other person and take money.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I would that would be bad, Keith and I. Keith
and I had said, We've said. It's been aired on
the show a couple of times. We had said we
would never take money from kids. I mean, are you're
in a different situation. Well, well no, because I've talked
to a lot of my friends who are my age.
They're like, are you crazy, Kathy, and I said, no,
I'm not. Here's the thing. At my age, connections and
(32:34):
relationships with people are far more important to me than
adding some more money to my bank account.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
For you, But they're twenty thirty, you know. That's what
I said.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
For young people, they want love, they're starting their lives.
That's why Keith and I could never take the money.
These young kids could use the money to pay off
college debt, by their first home, all those things that
that to me would be such a good use of money.
So that is your question.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah, no, it does, Jill.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
We love having you and you'll be back with us again.
Trust and believe me because we love having you. And
unfortunately that does it for this episode of Bachelor Happy
Hours Golden Hour.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
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follow Bachelor Happy Hour as we have new episodes coming
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Speaker 2 (33:25):
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Go to bachelornation dot com slash Golden Hour, or you
can hit us up on social at Bachelor Happy Hour
and Jill, as soon as you're allowed to tell us,
we want to know.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Okay, you will be hearing from me.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I'm going to sleep tonight thinking what could it be?
What could it be?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
We loved having you, Jill. But in the meantime. In
the meantime, listen to bouchelr Happy Hours Golden Hour on
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Speaker 1 (00:53):
Okay, today we have a very special guest joining us.
One of our first returning guests, Bachelor and Paradise fan
favorite Jill Chen his hair. Hey, Jill, you look so
different down on the beach.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I know, like, worse are better?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
No, you look amazing and I thought, let me just
get this out. You were nothing but class. I'm sorry
that you cried like you did, but I admired you
and you were being real and honest with yourself.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Thank you, CONGRATSA. When I watched it back, I was like, wow,
I was sadder than I thought it was gonna be.
Like I thought it was like a Girl Boss moment,
like Okay, yeah, I'm gonna leave at my court and
it was like kind of pathetic. I was like, my god,
I'll tear it up. Jill.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Do you remember me coming up to you going, wait
a minute, wait a minute, you're leaving because I overheard
you And I was like, what you said? I tell us?
What tell us what you said? Do you remember that?
Speaker 3 (01:52):
No? What it is all a blur? What did I say?
Tell me?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
You were just like I hate being friend zoned here.
I've just I'm everyone's and this isn't good for me.
It's not healthy. And I was like, but stay and he.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Wasn't there to find love, right, Yeah? So fun friendship? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Right? And I feel like I can see I have
like I can see what's going to happen. So you
know what's what's going to happen. Is Sean going to
give me his rose? Probably? Not? Like why am I
going to? Why do I even want Sean's rose? Do
I even like Sean?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah? How do you feel about that.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, I feel Oh, I feel absolutely fantastic. I feel
like I made the right choice obviously.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
How does it feel feeling all the love from Bachelor
Nation and all of us after leaving it?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Honestly, it's been such a crazy experience getting all of
the messages and how many people resonate with me. And
it's honestly because I've never really had that from Bachelor Nations.
Usually it's all like conicism and you're so blah blah blah,
But no, this time, I feel like it was the
most kind of accurate to how I felt and know
(03:00):
people are seeing kind of the real emotions and I'm
always going to keep it real with you guys. So yeah, no,
it's been It's been really heartwarming.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And yeah, people out there that feel the same way
you did it situations, you know, they resonate with that.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
And how do you feel about all the comments people
said you should be the next bachelorette?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Oh my god, I tell them to be quiet?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Oh is that is that? Is that something you would
not do?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Then? I don't think I would. No.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Wait, wait, wait before you say Joe, wait before she
says no, I got an idea. We did paradise together, right, Golden?
Then yeah, how about you be the bachelorette and I'll
be the Golden Bacherette. We'll do what show would do bachelorettes.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
I like where this is going. You should definitely pitch this.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, no, do share? Why would you consider not doing it?
What would you?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I mean, I've been a Bachelor Nation for four ish
years now and I haven't found a single guy that
I could see myself.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
With that was it just takes one Jill, I know, but.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Still, like I I feel like the next guy that
you everybody knows about will be my husband. Like I'm
not going to I just can't do it anymore. Like
it's I mean, obviously would it be a fabulous opportunity, yes,
but like I'm also like I got things to do,
Like I gotta like I'm thirty, Like we got to
get this thing rolling, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Wait a minute, wait, So you're going to keep your
private life private? I hear you, So are you dating?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
I am dating? Yes? Of course I'm dating.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Oh love, we want to hear you tell us all
about your private lifcense you don't want to share?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Well, I mean, like I'm dating Okay, So here's the
stupid thing. So I haven't done the dating apps since college. Literally,
so I've really never done the dating app. So I
downloaded a hinge. Oh my god. I was told there
was going to be hot people, there was going to
be cool people, as far as I can tell him,
the best one on there. Like I'm telling you, it's
(05:05):
been such a struggle, Like I hate it so much.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
It's like it's like a full time job.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I got three dates this week, I got this guy
next week, this guy I gotta check it with. And
I'm like, I just can't. So yeah, but I I
am dating obviously.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Well how did you meet the date?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Like, what give us the Oh, well, there's like there's
been a couple. There's been a couple, you know, ponies
in the stable if you will.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
But I take it you're not serious about anyone yet.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Well maybe I am, but I'm just not going to
tell you.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Okay, I like it more than one date with the
same person of course.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Of course, yeah she's not.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
She's not a serial dater. I want to get back
since you're not going to share it, I want to
get back to some paradise because I want I want
to get the tea on this? What what is your
thoughts on all the drama, the paradise since you know,
since you left, and you know all that Jeremy's phone call,
everything that to Susie, just all of the drawa. What
(06:04):
do you think about it?
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Well, I mean it's like you could see these things
kind of bubbling beneath the surface, and now that the
money is involved, it's you know, getting pretty cut throat.
I don't know if Brian, I'm not sure if Brian
would have told Bailey. I think someone had to.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
My god, do you mean Jeremy. Do you mean you're
not sure if Jeremy would Well.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I don't know if Brian. I don't know if Brian
would have if the competition element wasn't involved, I don't
know that maybe he would have, maybe not. It was
a great opportunity for him to do that. I would
say it was a good play, but again, like you're
taking people who aren't, you know, who didn't sign up
for a competition sale show to play in this competition.
(06:51):
So I mean, the whole Jeremy thing, I okay, I.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Hate to say this, but there's no one listening but us.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Jill, go ahead, right, no, yes, it echo chamber. But
like I and I've told him to this to his face.
I don't really care for Jeremy.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
I've said it on that I can't tell you, but
there are some people that I will not you know,
I can't out other people, but I can tell you
you are not alone in that comment.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
I know. And it's like whatever, Like you know, I
met him in person and he wasn't that really nice
to me. He's I think he's one of those people
that is only nice to women that they find attractive
or they you know, they care to know about yea,
they care right or like it thinks it's worthy of
their time. So that's fine.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
But I have you're gorgeous, so that thank you for sure.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
You're friends with Susie. Have you guys talked about all
the drama that that took place about her?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Of course we have, Yes, of course you have. Which
is so funny, like she's like I was on the
show for like twenty four hours and this narrative just
continues throughout, which is interesting. And I also, I mean,
I feel terrible because it's like, you know, she's being
but she can't speak her own truth. You know. It's
(08:04):
like she she's just being talked about rather than being
able to, like, you know, say things herself. I think, well,
I don't know. I think Jeremy was a bit delusional
because he's like, oh, you know, like I'll just I'll
just compose.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Wait, wait, let me let me just back up. You
think a guy is delusional for calling a woman that
he's talked to for let's call it ten minutes and
uh and saying I'd get down on a knee and
propose her. You think that's a sounds like a delusional guy.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Jell Oh, yes, man.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I know it's right. It's which is like, I don't
know what he's thinking. But also it's like she turned
you down, brother, you're going to marry her? Yeah, I
just it didn't make any sense to me. It's never
made any sense to me. Bailey's such a catch, like
and well she said it out of Jeremy's league, so
it's like, let's go with that, like she is so deserving.
(08:57):
But you know, like, God, I hope that these Obviously
I wish the best for everybody, and I hope everything
works out. Do I like, you know, in my practical mind,
do I think that all these relationships are going to
work out. Probably not, you know, but lessons are learned
along the way, and those are valuable too.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Well, who do you wait? Who do you want? Which?
Which ones do you think have the best chance of
working out?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Sensor? And just they've always been good, you know, they're
so cute, so sweet.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Wait, if should I break the news now that Keith
and I are engaged?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
And that's what I was going to say. I was like,
maybe you and Keith, maybe you and Keith, or like
Jonathan and Leyah.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I need your honest opinion with the man code. And
everybody was mad at Brian for telling me. Did you
respect him for doing that?
Speaker 3 (09:54):
And yes, of course I did.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
And do you feel like he did it for the
wrong reasons like you said earlier? Or he really did
care about her?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
I can't tell. Brian's hard to read. Brian's another one
where I'm like, also this shout out to Brian's family.
Brian's family loves me, so I can't really thinking about it.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I love him.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
He I mean, I'm not sure that there's a lot
going on up there in the sense of like I'm
trying to manipulate a situation.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Wait, wait with Brian. Yeah, oh my god, Okay, I think.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
That's saying he wasn't doing it.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Just a minute, No, what she said, there's not a
lot upstairs there.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
Well, okay, I'm sad, you know what I'm saying. But
in terms of like being extremely manipulative, I don't really
think that was hism o. I think someone needed to
tell Bailey and he had a good opportunity to do it,
so why not do it? And also he had a
chip on his shoulder from Jeremy, so it's like if
I wanted to get revenge.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, and Jeremy you're saying, I mean, it's it's almost
comical what Jeremy says. You know, I was gonna tell her,
but you know, I had to get a good night sleep.
And I'm sitting there going, yeah, I was good to tell,
but you know, I had to wash my socks. I
was going to tell, but I had to write my
grocery list. I was going to tell her, but I
(11:12):
was dusting my end table, Like, come on, but it's.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Eight days later, eight days later, Like you're really gonna
wait that long? He's like, I didn't think it was relevant,
but you kept bringing it up. I didn't know that
it was still pervasive. I knew that there was like
that he had maybe regretted his decision, but I didn't
know that up until the night that I left, that
he was actively talking about this. I had no idea.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
It was like that, what about the Sean and Alicia?
And have you talked to Sean since the show?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, I've talked to Shawn Sean. I mean, Okay, that
whole thing is a mess. It's a huge mess.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Whoa and whoa huge.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
Mess and it's only it's only gonna get messier from
what I understand.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
And I just said it looked like the previews.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Two things to say. I love the fact that I
am not involved.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I'm proud of you, Kathy.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I know, yeah, I agree with you, Jill. It's messy,
it's it's unkind. There's so many different uh, you know,
and yet both of those people were Everyone was so
kind to me on Paradise. I mean, they were lovely
people to me and good conversations. So I'm sort of mentally,
(12:30):
sort of caught in the middle with that whole thing.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
I would agree. I don't have a lot of experience
with Alicia. What I can say is like This is
so tough because, like, you know, this is what I've
had to learn throughout my like my seasons or my
time in Bachelor Nation, is like you get so close
to people within such a short amount of time, but
you've only really known them for like three weeks.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Yes, that's right, but wait, we really know them? That's right.
Well you don't really, it's the reality of it. But
all right, so we've covered what you think about others.
Now I'm going to hit you up. What tell us
about Jonathan? What really happened between you and you know?
What have you guys talked about with regards tow this
the drama, et cetera. What what's going on? What happened
(13:16):
spill the beans?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Well, okay, I mean obviously we had a misunderstanding, misunderstanding.
I misinterpreted these things that he was saying to me
with the information, you mean, the.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
One when he said date you, I mean that when
he said maybe I could date you.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
Yeah, he was like, oh, you're making my decision hard.
You make my decision hard or something, And I was like, oh,
maybe there's a chip after I just said, you know, like,
are you open blah blah. So of course I misinterpreted.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
That I mean to.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I mean, this is with everybody.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, I know, and like and that was honestly, like
I feel so bet for Leo, but like that was
it was validating for me to kind of see the
pattern unfold, like, Okay, he's maybe really not even trying.
I don't think, Yeah, it's not me. I think that
he hasn't really given anyone a fair shot. And it's
like I'm giving Sean a crack, like come on, like
I'm giving Sean trying, me trying. It's like you you
(14:14):
can be surprised by people, do I think that? Like
Jonathan definitely shut things off like a little too quickly.
I think because I think like we had a good
like he said, we had a good friendship. Brother, I've
known you for a day, like we we don't really
know each other.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I don't know friendship friendship.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
And then like you know, and then he kissed me
on the date and he says, well, you know, we
we kiss we kiss friends. Yeah, I kiss my friends.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
What well, Jonathan, if you're listening, I never got one
from you, so that that argument does not hold water.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
And Jonathan, if you're listening, you and I gonna sit down.
We're going to have a little talk. Jonathan's going on
with some therapy.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Jonathan, you better, you better. You know, you better be
careful because Susan does wield a baseball bat. Okay to
ask question. Wait, I have to ask for one question
before because I don't want to run out of time
to ask this. Okay, did you learn anything?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
She took my question.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Oh, I'm sorry. Since I was there and I'm a Golden,
I thought, you know, have you learned anything from the
Goldens that you've held onto while you're on Paradise?
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Oh my god, yes. I First of all, I loved
having the Goldens there. I thought it was like it
was so fun. You guys brought the energy and like
seeing the way that you were moving, the way that
you guys moved throughout the journey and life is like
so good for us to be able to look up to.
And I honestly should have used you guys as more
of a resource because I was like spinning in my
(15:37):
head and like not using you guys. So I wish
I used you know, you guys as a resource more.
But in having like, you know, some deep chats, it's
like I got to see what you know some some
of you guys are divorced or have lost loved ones,
and so it's like you get to see that that
perspective from you know, like if they could go back
(15:58):
or you know, things that they've learned from the later
end of their relationships. I think we only think about
like the budding early romance in paradise, but getting to
kind of think about what happens at the end and
how meaningful that is was was really important. So I
really loved it. I really it was so good.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Is there anything you wish you would have done differently?
Are you not happy with everything? Good?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I'm so happy. Yes, I was. I was exactly myself.
I wouldn't change anything. I left when my when it
was my time, my sparkle was going.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
And yeah, well let me say it's first of all,
it's not too late. You call me anytime talk about
you know. I was always have an ear for that.
But I also want to know you were saying I
think I read or something that you wanted to see
Alex I can't even say his last name or Brian
Witzman did Are you in contact with either of those guys? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Anybody wasn't there that you wish.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Was yeah, I wish either of them were there, But
I yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
You know there is a little thing, Jill, you could
reach out to them. You don't have to meet them
on paradise.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
No. I know, I that we we have both of
those people I have been in contact with in the past,
and I'm pretty sure that they know that the door
is open. But so I'm it's not what is.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
With these guys, Susan, what is wan with these guys?
You are beauty?
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Now, that's old saying that grass always looks greener on
the other side and then all of a sudden it
turns brown and they're just no.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Men idiots, not all men. But can we just agree
this morning that many men are just idiots? The fact,
the fact that you are single blows my mind.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I know it's okay, there aren't like it is okay.
It is I'm in such a happy place in my life,
Like I turn thirty, I've got some very exciting things
coming up, and I'm just I'm happy and I am
dating and it's fine, and you're just.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
The exciting things coming Yeah, are trying.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
So the funny thing is I can't. And I love
when people I actually hate when people do this when.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
They're like, but I can't tell you.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
I know. I hate that and I'm like, take you, Kelly,
but no, I actually can't tell you, guys. But it's
very exciting and it's actually my dream come true. So
it's so exciting and I can't wait. And no, my
dating life is good. It's actually really good and I'm
super happy.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Oh and will we find out this exciting news? What
do we know?
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I'll call her later and I'll get it out. I'll
let you know.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I actually don't know. I actually don't know. I'm like,
I'm bound to secrecy, which is like the best part
seek that is.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
That's so awesome. I'm a little envious. I want to
know what it is.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
All Right, we got to move on. We're going to
go into our topic of the day. Okay, we're just
gonna ask a question where you're gonna give your thoughts
on it. Okay, Jill, all right, what matters more in
the long term partnership being best friends or being head
over heels lovers? Would you rather have constant butterflies or
constant comfort in a relationship?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
What says you?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
What do you think, Jill?
Speaker 3 (19:11):
I think that Oh my God, that's so tough because
you get the butterflies at the beginning and you get
the head over heels at the beginning. But I think
long lasting being best friends and being able to, you know,
be comforted by that person is one hundred percent more important.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I agree, But I want both all the time.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Of course, you want both all the time. But God,
you know, God doesn't give us both hands.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I know, having your best friends, yeah, I think we
can all safely. I mean, I think a long term
partnership it evolves over time and the butterflies, you know,
the caterpillars turned into butterflies, the butterflies fly away, whatever
it is, I think over time relationships changed. So that's
(19:52):
why I think I always want to have that best friend.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I agree, but getting excited when he walked into the
room even a year later, like oh there's my man,
you know, like that's a good feeling.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
It is a good feeling. I think that there's a
good mix. But like, yeah, it ebbs and flows. Relationships
ebb and flow, and you have to you know, sometimes
you'll have that spark. Sometimes you don't put as long
as you're committed to another into making it work, and
the relationship as a whole. You're gonna be fine.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
Absolutely. We have these questions written in but our fans
and we give them a bit of advice, and today
we would like your input. Is that okay?
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yes, of course I love giving advice.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
This one is from Carly and she's thirty six and
from Miami, Florida. From woman to woman, I've been really
struggling with my body. Every time I look back at
photos with my family and friends, I find myself critiquing
how I look instead of enjoying the moment. That's just
(21:00):
a female thing. This has been going on since I
gave birth two years ago, and lately I feel like
there's no excuse to still look this way. Most of
the people I know with toddlers have already lost their
baby way, and it makes me anxious about the possibility
of getting pregnant again. Though my husband and I want
(21:22):
to give our daughters a sibling, I worry about how
I'll look and feel after the second time. I know
my body created life, blah blah blah, and I understand
all the self love narratives, but that doesn't stop me
from feeling frustrated and unhappy with myself. I'd love some
(21:42):
words of wisdom on cultivating self love. Does this struggle
with our bodies as women ever truly go away as
we get older or is it something we just learn
to live with?
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Well, Jill, since you've had four or five children, how
did you fell out here first?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
That's what I was like. I feel like I can't
really comment on this. My best friend just had a
baby though, is their second baby, and she's kind of
dealing with the same thing. And I would never blame
anybody for taking, you know, measures to make themselves feel
good and look good. I'm not saying, like, you know,
anything extreme, but if it's something little you can do,
definitely do it. But I think that for me, I've
(22:24):
heard this before that it's like I've never seen somebody's
body and thought about it for more than a second.
I like, if someone's on the beach, like you know,
I'm always self conscious on the beach, I've never gone
to the beach and seen a body that has stuck
in my memory, you know, it's just not at the
forefront of my mind. And the people who judge are
there's something deeply wrong with them. I think that you know,
(22:47):
you can't have your body prevent you from doing from
doing anything in your life, especially you know, if you
want to have more kids or you know whatever. I
don't think that I fully understand, Like it's like the
self consciousness and feeling like you know that that worry.
I totally understand it. But there are things in life
that you really can't control, and there's things you can control,
(23:08):
and you have to kind of like pick and choose
your battles. There's a lot there's people out there with
you know, like physical disabilities that can't change their situation,
and so there has to be the level of acceptance.
But I think, you know, like be kind to yourself.
You did you created life, and it's like a beautiful
thing and you should just enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
I agree. And there's always surgery after the second one
if you need it, it's going to make you feel better.
But the self love part, yea, That for me came
with maturity yeay later in life and love it. When
I came off the Golden Bachelor, that was the first
thing I said, I'm good with who I am. I'm
(23:47):
comfortable in my own skin. Yes, I do the same
thing a Carly look at pictures and go damn I
look good then if I only knew what I know
now and look like that'd be dangerous. So like it changes,
it's normal, it's life.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
And I feel like I feel like it's always the gross.
Like you said, the grass is always greener. I look
at pictures of me from like two years ago, and
I'm like, oh my god, if I was only looking
like that, but that time I was looking at pictures ago.
So you have to like enjoy where you're at.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, But I will say having children, I gained I
have three, and I gained a lot of weight with
each child, Carly, and I will say it took me
almost a year to get off the weight with each
child and.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Each which is normal.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Well, I have a lot of friends who you know,
a month later were back in their skinny jeans, and
you know that wasn't me. I had a rough time.
I get I get your problem here, Carly. I was
exactly there. I had a really hard time getting the
weight off. And what I would say to you is
everything that Jill and siss are saying, which is, you know,
give yourself some grace and some time. But the other
(25:01):
thing that might help you is just get on walk,
do something for yourself ten minutes of exercise that'll make
you feel like you're moving towards your goal of getting
back in shape, feeling better about yourself, because nobody can
tell you to feel good about yourself. If you don't,
you're just not going to hear it. Right. And I
(25:24):
think as we get older, well, things shift, But you
like I frankly look better now than I did when
I was younger, just because I work hard at it.
So I don't think necessarily where she says do we
struggle with our bodies, does it ever truly go away?
(25:45):
I think that's up to the individual woman. It's a
lot of women, I think use getting older as an excuse.
That's their choice to do it. But men, I think
this is crucial, critical to you know, for some people,
it didn't bother me at all. That's what I'm saying.
It's just everyone has their own journey. But I think Carly,
the biggest thing is be kind to yourself. As Jill said,
(26:07):
You've brought this child into the world, and you don't
want to look back ten years from now and say,
you know, so what I was ten pounds or fifteen
pounds more. I wish I'd had another child.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
So and I also know Carly that it is so normal.
We all look good ten years ago in our pictures.
Two years ago, it was a good picture, you know it.
But look where you are now. You have children, you
gave birth, and you're still hot. You know, you're hot
in your own way. You got to feel good about yourself.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
I think what helps me is just like the last
thing I'll say back because I don't have kids, but
I think for me, like whenever i'm feeling that way,
I think if everything is temporary, like I'm like, okay,
this is just the way that I said I look
now and that's okay, and it's going to change, and
so everything is temporary.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah, I love that. That is very good advice, Carly.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Be good to yourself and love yourself because.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
And let us know if you get pregnant what you have,
because kids are great, you know, go from two to three,
maybe go and have four, you know, just going you know,
the five babies.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Are any questions you have for us before we have.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
To oh my god, that I have for you guys? Yeah, okay,
So Susan, are you still with that Frenchman? Yes?
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Well he's there and I'm here that's a struggle.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
But yes, yes, okay, and yeah, so how are you
dealing with like the distance?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
It sucks, especially because he was due to come tonight.
O he canceled. Yes, he couldn't hit the gentleman his
friend that was going to watch his dog. Well, that
guy was walking his own dog and he got in
a fight with astray and he got mange. And it's
really contagent. It was like a big thing. And I
(27:51):
only found out a couple of days ago, and I
was like, it's like deflating your balloon, you know. Yeah,
And I don't know when the next time that I'll
see him, So yeah, that part is not fun.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
That part's not fun. Okay, but so do you think,
like do you regret not, like, you know, being in
a relationship and not going on paradise.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
No, he's a great man.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Okay, good.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yes, I love to hear that. And he makes me
feel good, you know, I love being around them. Kathy knows.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Yeah, yeah, okay, that's good.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
I'm sick of hearing about it. Susan.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
I literally like everybody who has like a happy relationship with.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
My congratulations.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Years.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
I'm so happy for you.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Yes, Okay, now I push it for Kathy. Okay, so
what did what was your perspective on Paradise and what
would you tell the younger people there about what question
about about the way that we were acting.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
What you saw?
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Well, do you mean the drama or just getting to
know guys?
Speaker 3 (28:55):
I mean, I think okay, maybe like on how to
like cultivate proper Do you think Paradise is a place
you can properly cultivate a relationship?
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Absolutely? I think that it is. What I said to
the young ones that I call them the young ands,
I said to all of them, use this time. You know,
this is a rarity where you have no responsibilities. You
don't have to cook, clean, you're not at your job.
You have all this time to get to know someone.
And this is just like a jump start of a relationship.
(29:26):
But as you said, Jill, when you leave here and
you jump back into the real world, you're going to
have to manage things like money, You're going to have
to find out where you're going to live. You're going
to find out if you really are compatible when the
pressures of the outside world face you. So my advice
to all of them was give yourself some grace and
realize that things will change a little bit when you
(29:47):
go home. Doesn't mean it's good or bad. It's just
there's going to be an adjustment parod when you go
home from pared.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
And I think Jess is doing a good job of
that because when she says, I don't know that I'm
going to move right in with you immediately right And
that made me nervous because it was like a cliffhanger
that one week. And then they talked about it and
he's such a sweetheart and he goes, we'll do it
on your time. You know, I'll be patient. But his
friends are all getting married having kids, and he wants
(30:15):
to stay up with that so the kids can be
raised together and not get it.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And I mean there space, and I think there's several
relationships there that not necessarily our paradise, but overall over
the seasons of Paradise that people have met and married
and have great relationships. So it's like anything else in life.
You know, you have to kiss a lot of frauds,
(30:39):
but it's a great opportunity to have these budding relationships
and see where it goes. So yeah, I thought it.
I think it's a great opportunity.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I mean, I'm sorry, one where they threw money in it.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
No, no, I've never been on one that they thren
money on it. And and people are like your friends
for the money. I'm like, that's five for a thousand
dollars was never going to be mine? Like if there's
no way, who is I going to be a Sean?
Like no, but wait, it's not. No man is worth
that money.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I'm sorry, no, no, no, You're you're mixing it up.
And I've said this repeatedly just because you you have
your relationships on money and you have your money on
the other right, So during these challenges, depending on who
wins and it doesn't, Keith and I have a great relationship.
We couldn't halftime, we couldn't get the answers right. So
(31:32):
the money and the relationship are different in my In
my book, you can still walk away from Paradise with
no money and have a great love. I think you
could conceivably walk away with Paradise with a lot of
money and no relationship just the couple you had, they're
coupled up. So I don't necessarily think money and love
go together in that I think it was.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
A big twist when they threw that in and now
towards the end and they're given, you know, making you
think twice it's going to be love or money. So
somebody also I could think of as somebody that I
think is so in love is going to diss the
other person and take money.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
I would that would be bad, Keith and I. Keith
and I had said, We've said. It's been aired on
the show a couple of times. We had said we
would never take money from kids. I mean, are you're
in a different situation. Well, well no, because I've talked
to a lot of my friends who are my age.
They're like, are you crazy, Kathy, and I said, no,
I'm not. Here's the thing. At my age, connections and
(32:34):
relationships with people are far more important to me than
adding some more money to my bank account.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
For you, But they're twenty thirty, you know. That's what
I said.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
For young people, they want love, they're starting their lives.
That's why Keith and I could never take the money.
These young kids could use the money to pay off
college debt, by their first home, all those things that
that to me would be such a good use of money.
So that is your question.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah, no, it does, Jill.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
We love having you and you'll be back with us again.
Trust and believe me because we love having you. And
unfortunately that does it for this episode of Bachelor Happy
Hours Golden Hour.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Thanks so much for joining us, and be sure to
follow Bachelor Happy Hour as we have new episodes coming
out every week that you really don't want to miss.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Make sure you submit your questions. You know what to do.
Go to bachelornation dot com slash Golden Hour, or you
can hit us up on social at Bachelor Happy Hour
and Jill, as soon as you're allowed to tell us,
we want to know.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Okay, you will be hearing from me.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I'm going to sleep tonight thinking what could it be?
What could it be?
Speaker 1 (33:45):
We loved having you, Jill. But in the meantime. In
the meantime, listen to bouchelr Happy Hours Golden Hour on
the iHeartRadio app or wherever you listen to your podcasts.
Till next time, have a great week,
Hosts And Creators
Joe Amabile
Susan Noles
Serena Pitt
Kathy Swarts
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