October 16, 2025 • 40 mins
Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re switching things up with two very exciting guest hosts: our former Golden Bachelorette JoanVassos and “Bachelor in Paradise” star Jonathon Johnson! Joan and Jon dive into this week’s episode of “The Golden Bachelor” and there is a lot to discuss! We get into each of the mini dates on our final group date of the season, including whose date seemed to put them ahead of the rest. We also address the big question this episode: Can someone really get a Hometown with a one-on-one? They also don’t hold back as they discuss Nicolle and some “wrong reasons” allegations she’s facing; do Jonathon and Joan agree? Plus, we get their thoughts on Mel and his final three; you won’t wanna miss our hosts’ unique perspectives as they predict who might secure Mel’s heart in the end. Tune in now to hear all this and more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
What's going on everybody, And welcome back to a Bachelor
Happy Hour. Sorry to interrupt your regularly scheduled programming, but
you're here with Jonathan Johnson and my beautiful co host
Joan Vossos. Yes, and we're gonna be talking about everything.
Golden Bacheler from episode five, bye and believe it.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
And when you're stebbing in for Serena and Joe are
traveling today, so you're stuck with Jonathan and I. But
we have a lot to talk about. We are so
happy to.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Be here, beyond happy to be here. Well, Joan, if
you want to start us off, go I just kind
of play off you yeah, go.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
For okay, okay. Well, first of all, like my first
thoughts about this episode is the house looks so empty,
like six people are so few, and I feel like
we got there really quickly. I don't know, do you
feel the same way, Like this is lou fun. We
only have six left?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Well, what do we start with twenty four, twenty five.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Twenty five, I don't know. We are six, we're at six,
We're getting down to three, so we.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Have already after five is insane And that's a.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Little bit of the shock when Jesse came in and said,
there's only going to be three hometowns, so like on
my season, I had four, and most seasons have four.
But I do remember back to Golden Bachelor and he
only had three also, so they're kind of like the
Golden Bachelors seem to only do three, which seems like
not very many. Although as someone who was a lead
and did hometowns, they're exhausting, so I can see why
(01:26):
maybe they're only doing free. But I just feel like
the house is so empty and there's only six of
them left, and it just seems like there's so much
less energy in the air now and it's all very subdued.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, and I like the the whole dynamic of the
women left too is insane. And I know, like I'm
jumping ahead, but I'm really excited to talk about like
who's left. But like everything that had led up to
this moment, like all like the like the spiritual journeys
he was doing with people and like the one on
one like it was all very.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
It was an episode that needed to happen for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well, Botcher loves to do those awkward episodes where you
do all this really spiritual stuff with these virtual strangers,
and I had to do it on my season. I
did it with Pascal. We were both like we wanted
together as fast as we possibly Could's so uncomfortable, but weirdly, Okay,
I know we're going to get into this. We're probably
jumping ahead. But Mel embraced it a little more than
I expected him to. But let's talk. Let's talk that
kind of from the beginning to the end. Otherwise you
(02:21):
and I are just going to get off on a tangent.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Ye, We're going to never come back.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yep, we know how we are. So okay, So six
ladies left, and I remember it started out with the
two who didn't had never had one on one dates talking,
So it was Carol and Cindy sitting there and they
were both like, Wow, this is like a really important
day because homecowns are next week and or tomorrow or whatever,
really soon, and neither one of us have had a
(02:45):
date yet. And I remember, like Carol's saying like, I
don't think if I don't get a date, I don't
think I can get to where I need to be
with Mel. And I don't know if she was talking
about herself or with or Mel. She didn't think we
would know her well enough, but whatever, she kind of
just said that right out, and Cindy was really kind
and she said, you know, you've had kind of a
slow burn and give it some time. I feel like
(03:06):
you're on the fast track now and things are going
better for you. Which wow. Nice to Cindy, who also
had not had one on one date yet, so I
feel like she was really really kind. And then of
course Jesse enters and oh and I also remember from
I think those beginning conversations where Nicole and she's a
whole conversation we need to have. By the way, Nicole,
there's a lot to talk about. Nicole seems to be
(03:28):
very confident about Paule thing, like, you know, if I
can manifest it, it can happen. If I believe it,
I can manifest it, and then it's going to happen.
And I feel really confident, and I feel like Milan
and I had this deep connection. So she's seeming very confident.
Everybody else seems not particularly confident to me.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
No, no, And I can't tell if Nicholes is like
a real conference, so she's like doing it for the bit,
you know what I mean, Like obviously a lot of
what she's talked about this last episode is like, oh,
like I'm here to build social media career and monetize
myself and that, And I'm like, okay, yeah, she she
has a lot of like confidence in a way that
she goes about what she's doing. But is that confidence
(04:06):
from an internal place or is she just really good
at following.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
The storyline that she has set in her head? You
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Like, there's there's a difference to acting confidently for your
own self interest in like a positive, good way, and
there's a way of doing it in like a professional way,
Like I have a job to do, I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Gonna do it. I'm gonna get it done, you know
what I mean? So, like, which which way is she
confident in?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what her job is here,
and like we all expect that she's there because she
wants to find love and she wants to connect with Mel,
But I'm not really very confident that that's what it is,
or that she kind of wants both. But like the
mail part is just the second part of her journey,
not the main part. Yeah, Like if she ended up
(04:47):
with Mel, like I mean We'll get to this later
in the episode, because she does say some very strange
things when they were having kind of their last one
on one. But I think we should probably talk about, like, Okay,
here we go, a date card enters. Yeah, and so
the two people that are really really invested in the
state card are Carol and Cindy because they haven't had those.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I haven't had one, yep.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
And like, can somebody Okay, I want to ask you
this question. Can somebody get a hometown visit without ever
having had a date?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I think somebody did on Grant season last year, Zoe had.
So it is a possibility for somebody to do it.
But I think the unsettling, uneasy like nature of it,
like to be like, hey, I'm going to bring you
home to meet my family and potentially get engaged. You're like,
I've spent a total of two hours with this person,
(05:39):
four hours with this person. It kind of fluctuates, like
I can see where her uncomfortability in doing so would
come from. And obviously we learned later on that she
decides to self eliminate, but you can you can understand
why she puts so much pressure behind this, and and
Cindy too.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I think Cindy is a little bit more confident in
their relationship.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Or maybe she's just like hiding like the I don't know,
like the uneasiest of its from well.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And I feel like we've seen very little of Cindy's
one on one interactions with Mel. She seems very confident,
and she feels like she's falling in love. She's such
has such strong feelings, but we've seemed so little from her.
I don't know. For some reason, she hasn't got a
lot of airtime and and maybe Carol has had a
little bit more. But Carol's airtime seemed very uncomfortable and
a little awkward, like she had a hard time talking
(06:27):
to her.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I will say, though, I love that she owned it.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I think a lot of people can relate to it, too,
because when you're a good looking person, people like expectings
from you or you should be like this, or they
expect you to be like this outgoing, confident person. And
I think there's a lot of people out there like
that can relate to like, oh my god, like she
kind of recumanizes a situation where it's like, oh, I'm
a beautiful person, but like I get awkward too. You know,
she's like, it's been what was it, she said, like
(06:50):
seven years?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Seven years, seven years since she's had no I think
now that was Cindy. Cindy was sep years. I don't
know how long Carol has been, but it may be
someven but it's been a long time.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
For her, long a long period of time to jump
back into it and still feel that like, oh my god,
I'm I'm like a.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Little kid again, like I don't know what to do,
but I don't talk to him.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, it's like there's something like very just like heartwarming
about it and it's easy to connect to, you know,
It's it's a very relatable thing.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I totally agree with you. So mel come so h
Jesse comes in, he drops a date card, okay, of course,
and Cindy and Carol are sitting there like really, you know,
a little nervous, and of course we know the four
people that were called, so they called Peg who was
reading the date card, and Debbie and Cheryl and Nicole
(07:39):
were all called, and then the last one they called
was Carol. So like you see, the two of them
are waiting for their names, and the last name was
called was Carol. So Carol didn't get the one on
one and she comments, you know, like it's time is
running short and I'm running out of time, so she
knows that that's going to be really hard. But I
also love and Mel did the same thing I did
on my season. When you go in like these last
(08:00):
few dates and it's going into hometowns, Like I said,
I'm not going to give out any roses on dates
because it locks you in to something like So let's
say he would have given out a rose on the
group date and on the individual date, he would have
only had one rose left at the rose ceremony. There
would have been one rose hitting there. So I feel
like he did a good job and saying I'm not
going to give roses out on you know, either the
(08:22):
loop group date or the one on one date because
I think he needs, like elimining three people is a lot.
You're elimiting half the people that are there. So I
think that was a really smart decision.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I thought when he was at Griffith Park and I
know I'm jumping at a little bit ye with Cindy
and he's like, I got something for you. Yeah, I
thought he was about to like pull out a rose
and go against what he said because he had such
a good.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Time that would have been good. And I was like,
oh my god, okay, Cindy fro rudder. And then I
was like, oh, it's a star, which is still cute.
I'm like, okay, that's good.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
It was cute.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
But like to jump back, when Cindy found out that
she was the one getting to go, she got really emotional.
I think, yeah, I think part of it for her
was her her like empathetic side, you know, because she
had that conversation with Carol and they.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Were both kind of bonded over it.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And I felt similar on my season, where I was
almost more excited and emotional for everybody else but myself, which.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I know it was a little bit of a problem,
but on there you.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Could tell Cindy was just like excited for herself but
sad for Carol, and it's like a it's a weird
mix of emotions, especially getting to that point.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
And that was such a good point because she handled
in such a classy way. She didn't jump up and
go oh my god, I got the date and I
got the date, or you know, like some people do.
She just have there really quietly and just like, very,
I didn't say it, you did.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Hey, it's okay, somebody's got to.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I know, thank you for saying it, because I was
thinking at it. I mean, I just felt like she
was really classy and she was very kind to everybody.
And I just think that's kind of like her demeanor anyway,
which is makes me like her even more.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
No, she seems like a sweetheart. She seems like a sweetheart, a.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Really good person. So they go on the group date.
So when I see Mel sitting up here on this
I think it's called butter Orfly Mountain something.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
But Butterfly Mountain Resort or something. It's here in La Actually.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, I know, it looks beautiful. And I see him
sitting up there, and I'm like, oh god, here we
go on one of these weird, awkward dates that I
don't know. I feel like we do them every Bachelor season.
I'm like, oh God, here we go again, making these
people say about these intimate, weird details about themselves.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
It's still uncomfortable, and here we are, and he is
Dual day though ideal group day is everybody gets their
own thing to do with you.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Very what I mean, because it's almost like a big
setting of one on ones.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, you're right, you're sorry.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Whether they're like ten minutes each or twenty minutes each,
you're getting your own time with him, which.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Is actually really really cool, especially.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
You're right, you're right, you're right. So they start out
by doing the shaman whose name was Danny comes Shaman.
Danny is here to make you do some uncomfortable things.
So everybody sit down and get ready to say something
really intimate about yourself in front of everybody and national TV.
And but this first one was kind of easy, and
(10:58):
you were supposed to write something on this little incense
thing that you need to let go or something about
like uh, some emotion that like you need to let
go of or something. And and Debbie said, kind of
like been her whole mantra for this whole season was
like the hopelessness that she'd given up on giving finding
(11:19):
love at this age, so she had she said that.
But then both Peg and Carol said that they that
they felt unworthy. And you look at both of them
and they're just so beautiful and so successful, and you
wonder how like people even on the show, because it
takes a lot of bravery and a lot of self
confidence to come in the show ever feel unworthy. So
(11:39):
that was like, a I was very surprised to hear
that from people.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, it is, it's it's weird, it's I mean, it's
also like a reoccurring theme too that I think the
show does like to bring on is like, that's a
feeling that's.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Relatable, you know what I mean. It's one of those
things that the audience can connect with, and I think
seeing it in the older general too, you're like, wow,
like sometimes it just never goes away. Even when you've
had somebody and it comes.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
To an end, that feeling still stays there, and it's
it's a scary yet reassuring thing that you can just
you know, Yeah, it's easy to get behind them, you
know what I mean, cheer them on and hope that
they get over that that feeling or that they feel
chosen at the end.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I know, and that that whole thing about feeling chosen
at the end, and then it makes you even more
worried about them. So once they say the word unworthy,
you're like, oh God, I hope they choose you. I
hope they choose you. Well, two people said it, I'm like,
you know now what because you feel like, hush, I
want this to be your worthy moment and for you
to let go of that. And you know, you know,
we don't feel how.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Choose it's happened to you, or it could just pray
on your insecurity because.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Here we are, oh gosh right. You know, whenever if
we do those things, I always wonder, like what I
would have said? What would you have said if they
said that to you? Like, what is your one thing
that you need to let go of now I'm put
told to putting on your spot. I need a show
them in here call me.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I think if it were it would have been purely internal,
you know, I don't really worry about like external like
validation or judgment. It would have been something along the
lines of like forgiving myself for something in the past,
and I'm not sure what that exact thing would have been,
but something that allows for me to move forward. I think, honestly,
Mels is a good answer. He just had friction.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I think, I know.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
For interesting, I think his was internal friction from everything
that's happened up until that point, which was actually a
really good answer because you don't really see too many
moments from him that he's like diving deep, you know.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Like I said, he's a very stoic man. He doesn't
really like see too much. So when he's like saying
something that's the word friction deep.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
No, but the way he went about saying it and
doing it, it was a deep answer, and you can
tell he actually thought into that.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I feel like that is a
reoccurring theme also with him, because I think on his
date with Nicole he had said something similar, like what
to let go of? And it was I don't think
it was friction, but it was something like, you know,
like tension or turmoil or something I haven't written down.
I'll look at my notes, but he said something also,
So well, there's a theme that and we're not hearing
a lot from mel right, we don't know really that
(14:05):
much about him, but there is some kind of friction
happening or was happening in his life that you can
definitely tell exists, because that seems to be his theme
a lot. Yeah, yeah, even just with these one words.
So we did like to learn a little bit about everybody,
even in that little kind of insignificant, not big moment.
But then they finally got there one on ones and
Pegs was the first one, and I just wanted to
(14:27):
die for her. But she's such a good sport and
it is so fun. That's when they had to go
into the mud bath. I'd been like, please don't make
me do that. That's so gross, and she's such a
good sport and fun and she didn't care at all.
In fact, she's like, this is right up my alley.
This is so fun, And like I think half the
girls would have been like, oh, gross, I don't want
(14:48):
to go in there.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
That's mud.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yep, yeah, right up her. Ally she honestly too, I mean,
what is she not good at? I was watching episode
one when she was just like explaining all the things
that she's like, what the like, what I know she's
a fireman.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, and then bomb person She's like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
She's like a reserve fireman. She also diffused bombs for
the police force for years. And she happens to be
good at everything else you brought, anything that was brought up,
She's like, I've done that.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
You're like, oh, yeah, I'm at the fear like she
at the fear. She beat him at every game. I think, like,
you know, a good thing he has a pretty big,
big ago because most guys would have been like like
slinking away home like sulking. He was like, wow, you're
good at everything, and he kind of embraced it and
liked it, which was actually showed me something good about
him again. Just these little things that you see that
he's impressed that she's better at things than him is
(15:42):
kind of charming.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I think, honestly, Like I'm a very competitive guy too.
As like a fellow competitive guy. I love when there's
a woman that I bring around that can beat me
and stuff, like I.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Talk a little shit it.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
You're really good at what you do and you can
kind of like put me in my place. Like nothing
makes me eat that up more than like when they
can come in and do that to.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
My right because it makes chalk sulk a little bit.
When I beat Tennis and I did a couple of
other things Cornhall, he's like, all right, you're better at it.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Ye shoulders acted up.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
To Yeah it was you know that wasn't my game?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah right.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I don't think we've seen him open up like internally, wow,
I just started so bad. He's he's opened up about
his own like internal self, but not his feelings towards
these women yet yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, And I don't think he's given.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Anybody real reassurance. He's waited for them to say something
and agreed. I don't think he's really taken a chance
to be like, hey, I want to let you know,
I really really see something with you going all the way. Yeah,
and its not over promising, you know what I mean
a lot of trouble because they do that.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, I know, But I do feel like at this point,
when there's only like six left, you're usually getting a
feeling from the mains, like where like you usually get
an idea about who they're really liking, and we definitely
I have no idea. Like from the beginning, I thought
this was Cheryl's to lose because she had that first
date and it went really well. But now I'm like,
I'm not sure if Cheryl's not in last place at
(17:19):
this point. And I usually don't feel like that. I
usually feel like the person that gets the first date,
like things grow a lot deeper because they had more
time in the beginning and now they have things to
build on. So I'm not really feeling that that way
about Cheryl. But I also am like so interested in
all the interviews that are happening kind of sprinkled in
this date, like after this date, and one of them
again was Nicole, and she's like having a conversation with
(17:40):
other women who are not on this part of the date,
and she's like, you know, I'm feeling a lot of
negative energy and a lot of insecurities from these other women,
and I'm feeling like that is making me feel more confident.
And she's like, and I'm really in tuned people's negative energy,
and so it's giving me confidence that I really am
(18:02):
that mill really is going to pick me. And I'm like,
you are so confused. I feel like she's so not
in tune with the way things really are.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, I don't think that she realizes everybody's picking up
on her energy as much as like she let on,
like she said everything that she did and all the
girls are like, uh, yeah, we know why you're here,
and they're just I just have a feeling they're not fans.
So she's taking their negative energy as like, oh, like
they're competitive, like they just are trying to get my man,
(18:33):
when it's like, no, they just don't like the reason
that you're here, to.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Be honest, like, yeah, it's nothing against.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Who you, who you are, what you're doing. It's it's
completely what you're doing. Like that's the reason that that
negative energy is there. And she's just I don't I
don't think she's thought internally enough about what she said,
and she didn't hold her cards close enough to like like,
if that's your intent on this show. We know it happens.
People come on for the wrong reasons all the time.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
You know it's going to happen, But.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
It's so weird because it's not really true. In Golden's
so like, you know, like Gary season was so pure,
like none of us had a clue about Instagram. We
knew nothing. My season so pure, Like the guys were
not there to be Instagram, you know people. I feel
like almost.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
All the women here, not all of them all.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Not at all. Like you can't even find them on
Instagram hardly. I mean a few of them, but like
really not at all. So when you look at these women,
I feel like most of them are here really for
the right reason. I feel like Nicole is a little
bit of a out you know, kind of she's out
there on her own right now. I feel like in
that in that respect.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Oh and they say it too. They outwardly say she's
when they're when are they.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Like sitting all in a group and she's saying something
along maybe they at a table.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I can't remember the exact moment, but Nicole in the kitchen.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Oh, I'm looking to like monetize, like my workout program whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Her cooking her uh, her cooking thing, that's right, cooking.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Wants to be an like a vegetarian cook or something.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yep. And then it's like it's either Cindy, Carroll or
Cheryl too many sea names.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
One of them goes, I'm just looking for a nice man.
I'm just looking for a nice man. And I was like,
I know, I'm just I think it was Carol crazy stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well she does take hints and she
is very not very self aware at all. So so
then we go on to the date with Cheryl, who
now I'm thinking, like he used to have this really
great relationship with him, and now I'm thinking it's really
faded a lot. But we're not knowing what exactly. We're
not seen on TV. Obviously, they're having interactions off off
the screen, and again mel is in a bathing suit.
(20:36):
He's going for a cold plunge this time, I'm like,
they're putting mel in a bathing suit a lot. I
think they really really like his physique, so he gets
it's a lot of funny time. I know it looks Goodney,
but she really doesn't want to do it, Like she's like,
I don't want to do this. This is freezing cold.
This isn't my idea of a good time. I'm really
but you know she has to do it. We all
(20:56):
know she has to do it, So she does it.
I don't feel like it's a particularly interesting date to me.
I feel like they're in there. He looks cold, she
looks cold. They're supposed to's supposed to clear your mind
and allow your feelings to take over or something I
(21:16):
don't remember.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Which is the last thing. Have you ever done a
cold punch? Oh?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, it's miserable, miserable.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
The last thing it does is clear your mind. All
you can think about is like keeping yourself alive.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Has it been three minutes yet? Literally, this is.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
The longest three minutes of my life. I just want
to get out of here, you know. And she's trying
to be like a good sport and not act like
a baby, but she is like, really doesn't want to
be in there, and I totally get it. I wouldn't
want to go to the mud thing, and I certainly
wouldn't want to go the cold punch, and I've done
one before, so I'm like, no, thank you, But I
do feel like, you know, she comes out, Mel says,
(21:51):
it gives you clarity. He's really buying into all this stuff.
He be wooned into the mud thing. He's buying into
this Cold Punch like he's kind of into it, like
in bigger way than any of the women I feel
like are. I feel like the women are all less
into it except for baby Debbie and we'll talk about
her next. But anyway, I feel like Cheryl wants to say,
(22:11):
like this cleared her mind, so it gives her a
lead in to say how she's feeling about him, and
she's she finally she kind of fesses up that she's
really strong feelings with him, and then she kind of
hesitates into like act, I'm actually I'm falling in love
with you. And what does he do with the classic
I really appreciate that And that's like the that's like death.
You can't he says that to you should get up
(22:32):
and walk out and self eliminate because.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I'm kind of maybe reading into this though too, And
you got to think about what this show does, you
know what I mean, Like every time there's a clear
front runner, which she was in the beginning, you know,
she had the first one on one.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
She her story was one of the ones that just
like made me a tearsjerker. I just know I.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Loved her how she let go of that being mad
at him. She's a saint. He left her in the
hospital with a new.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
And then disappeared for a year, and then and then
she tapped their child for a week. I know.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
But yet she's like I wanted them to have a relationship,
so I'm gonna forgive it.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Gave him and then he loved and then he died.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I know, I'm like, this is just seriously.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
I was like, really, yeah, insane. It's a movie.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
It's a literal movie, yes, but they have an amazing
relationship up until this point. And like I know for
a fact this happened with Joey and Kelsey too, where
Joey was so locked in on Kelsey.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
That like they had to be like.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
You got to give these other girls a chance, Like
you can't just be like, no, this one now done, done,
don't you know? And this could be one of those
cases where it's like maybe he does feel so strongly
about Cheryl that like they're not showing that side of
it so that we don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Maybe they're playing into.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
It a little bit, but in this moment, like I
believe that all up until this moment when he said,
I really appreciate that. And then but then he kind
of went back a little bit and he said, like, I,
you know, I had strong feelings for you on our
first date and those haven't gone away. And then she said,
I really like for you to come to Colorado and
meet my family or he said, what does you know,
(24:09):
what would a hometown look like? She said, you come
to Colorado in my family, he said, And he says,
I really like to come to Colorado. So he's kind
of leading her on now, Yeah, he's bringing her back.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
She's feeling yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
And then he does the date with Debbie, and Debbie's
date was the one that would have made me so
uncomfortable because they do the tan trick yoga, yeah, which
like I don't know what it is, but I could
tell by that first pose.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
That other and like, yeah, hold each other lines.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Okay, it was really odd, and like she has straddled
to him in the first one, and I'm like, Okay,
this is really uncomfortable. Yet they were so comfortable, which
gives me kind of was starting to give me a hint.
Like I was thinking about rose ceremony all through this episode,
like really watching them to figure out I was going
to get a rose, and I kind of got a
hint that maybe she was going to get a rose
because they were so easy and so comfortable together. And
(25:03):
but I also just can't figure out his type. They're
so different. Every one of these girls is so different.
M Like, possibly Ryl and Cindy are a little same,
but I feel like everybody else. Peg is a live wire.
Debbie has never been married before, and it's just so
genuine and sweet and just wants to have love so bad.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Those ones that blows my mind. Yeah, she blows my
mind with that because she's stunning, too.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Cute, even the younger pictures they showed. I was like,
I know if she was my age, and I would
I would shoot.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
My be Like I know, I know you in April,
like you and April and that on Paradise.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, I know April, I love April. I know, I know,
I know, but I do see what you're saying the Debbie.
I think the attraction, the physical attraction is there.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Is really good, but it also goes past that. I
feel like they have like a really good rapport. So
I felt like after that date, I felt about Cheryl,
I felt better about Debbie and I ended up being
right about that. But like I really loved I loved
that Debbie could possibly be the one that she's finding
love with him.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Because such an amazing it would be the.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Best story because there's so few people like That's one
of the things like when you become a widow like
I did at my age, you become it's very lonely.
There's very few single people out there. All your friends
are a couple. So I can see her she's been
traveling this road for a lot of years of not
being a couple, and that's it's hard. It's it's actually
really really really lonely. But he said that similar to
(26:33):
oh is that right?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I've never seen my mom married, and it's what those
are one of those stories that I just like, I
connect you and I want to see her on this
on the show. Yeah, I know she's a very entertaining
woman too.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
We'll talk. Yeah, your mother is obviously so Nicole. So Nicole,
and he went on because there's a lot there, so
much to say, so much to say, and like so
not much to say because when it comes to she
and mel there is like really nothing. But he came
in and like his commentary was like, Nicole is one
(27:07):
of my favorites because she made me lemon bars. And
I'm like, I don't think you could think of anything
else to say about her.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I think he likes that she is all over him too,
at least Yeah, from early early on, she was just
like all over him. And like, as a guy in
this scenario, you have to go off of like any
Q you can get, and it seems like hers is
very physical. So he's like, you know what, hell, yeah,
like this is awesome. Yeah, and then a divorced dude,
(27:34):
and then I'll take some physical attention this. Yeah, she's
stunning and she's all into me.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Done makes me feel good about myself, makes feel confident,
like I'm a good looking guy. This beautiful woman is
really attracted to me, So all this is good. I
do feel a little like that was okay. In the beginning,
it was uncomfortable watching it, Like when they were in
the pool, I was like, I need to turn this off.
This is uncomfortable. I actually have my grandson Lane and
be with me, and he was trying to fall asleep
on like, you can't watch this. He's only you shouldn't
(28:02):
see this. So I did feel uncomfortable. But the fact
that it never grew from the physical part of it,
it was I think the biggest problem in the long run.
But so they did the thing where they had to
turn over a card and they're supposed to like feel
the energy from the card, and they turned it over
and it said witness. And then the shaman said, you're
supposed to the witness observes things but doesn't take action.
(28:24):
What have you observed in your life but you haven't
taken action about? And Nicole very fittingly says, my fear
of not being stable, and we're like, yeah, no shit.
So I was like, yeah, we know that you have
a stability issue, and she talks about that later in
the episode, but okay, stability was the issue. And then
Mel says, okay, I wrote it down because it was
(28:46):
something that I thought was really weird. Stress. So he
had already talked about like friction, and now he's talking
about stress. I'm like, we have a theme going on
here right now, and we're learning a little bit about
mel but I don't know if we're ever going to
learn any more about this. But there's something happening in
his life that is causing him stress and fortune. So
I wish we would hear the rest of that, but
so far we haven't, but maybe eventually we will.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Maybe it's got to be something from from the previous marriage.
I'm sure, Yeah, you know you're in this scenario. Dating
is the number one thing. It's got to be something
along the lines of that.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
It's got to be it, because it seems like his
kids are in good places, so like, so far.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
That's I met them too at the RAM getting honored.
Yeah they were nice, the kids, nice kids.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, they seem really good kids. But he they finally
are out of that weird chalman thing and they are
talking and he says to her, what are your where
do you see yourself in five years? And instead of saying,
you know, I want to have a companion and I
want to travel and I want to build a life
with somebody, and you know whatever, I love being a couple.
(29:47):
She talks about her cookbook, and she talks about her
financial situation my dad, Yeah, my dad says a lot
of money that she's like, I want to be you know,
I want to author this book book and oh and
my apartment is too small, but you live in this
nice house and I'd really like to live closer to
the ocean, like implying that she's ready to move in
(30:10):
with him just to make her like better because she
lives in a small apartment. She obviously don't have any money.
So that's when he finally in an interview that says,
I think I see some red flags here, and maybe
this was what Robin was talking about.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah, yeah, like an episode Also that it didn't throw
him off when she's like, just give me a kiss,
like just for the camera, just for the.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Camera, that little cutaway.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
It was really weird, a little moment that just said
a lot more than just the three little for the camera.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
You are so right just for the camera. And why
would you say it anyway, because like supposedly she was
into it, So I don't know, right, So let's just
move on from her because I think we all know
how we feel about her, and if somebody in the
entire world thinks anything differently, like she's there for the
right intentions.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Like also, Devil's Advocate is super quick before we move
on too, I know for a fact, especially that I've
been like out there dating, there's a lot of women
like that. Though there are a lot of women that
will relate to that as well, that are like they
do want to find somebody where they feel as if
they will be taken care of for the rest of
their days.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
And it's not an insane feeling. You're just not in
the right setting to be acting and speaking on it
in that way.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
And that seems to be the only reason why she's there,
Like she doesn't seem to care about the way he
feels or the way she feels about him. It's all
like getting to the end where she gets to live
in a nice house near the ocean. It seems to me.
So Then the last day with Carol and that, like
(31:45):
I kind of felt sorry for both of them. Carol
said she was having a really hard time settling down.
She's feeling this ankst. I think she's probably going over
the script in her head, saying I gotta say goodbye
even if this goes really well, which it generally doesn't,
because it's a lot of individual Like all these are
kind of individual like you know, you know, thinking about
yourself and about things you need to let go of.
(32:06):
So theirs was a very nondescript ate other than both
of them had to talk about something from their childhood
that was bad, and Mel said friendship, which I was
so surprised, like that he wished she could give his
you know, younger self was friendship, And that sounded so
weird because I felt like he came from this you know,
cool neighborhood in Detroit, in like his you know, his
(32:29):
original package from the first episode looks like he was
like the popular guy in the neighborhood. And I was
really surprised to say that. And then and then Carol
said something like connection and touch and that maybe she
hadn't like felt that as she was growing up, which
seemed very like, very unusual. But the big part of
(32:50):
this date was herself eliminating her saying like I originally saying,
I don't think you're where you need to be. You're
not gonna pick me to go in a hometown. It
sounded like what she was saying, But then in her
interview she kind of backtrack on that a little bit
and she says, I just don't think Mel's my guy. Yeah,
and that kind of put it back on her that
she was taking more of the responsibility for like I
(33:12):
didn't connect with him, not that he didn't connect with me,
and I like that it gives her the power.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
I think in any scenario where like maybe something doesn't
work out, you never should just blame the other person.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
It takes two people to make a connection. It also
takes two people to split up, you know what I mean, Like, yep,
it is what it is. And I think rather than
just being like, ah, he didn't choose me, He's not this,
he's not that. She's just like, you know what, I
just I don't feel a connection, and clearly he doesn't
enough either to choose me for the one on one
and that's okay. You know, my person is out there somewhere, yeah,
(33:46):
and I'm gonna go find them, you know. And there's
no animosity behind it. There was nothing, there's no anger,
and he understood. He goes, Hey, I respect you, and
I respect that you stick to your word and that
you have to do what you gotta do it because and.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
She's brave enough to do that. Yeah, because sometimes they just,
you know, I think that there are sometimes other women
feel like maybe the guy or the girl isn't theirs,
but they go although to the row ceremony and they
you know, let the person do the hard job of
not picking them. I like it when when the people
give themselves the power. I mean, if you don't feel
like you're connecting, then you should go ahead and self eliminate.
There's nothing wrong with it. Take take the power back.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Hey, we love a strong woman, don't give him the power.
Come on, now, that's right.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I agree with you. So now we finally get to
see Cindy on a date, who I've been dying to
see on a date. I can't believe it came down
to the last one on one. I thought she would
have gotten a date a thousand times more, but here
we are, the last one on one, and she is
so grateful to have it, and I love that that
was kind of her sentiment.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
And little Boots too, She's like, oh my god, this
is a hike. This dude was not the right shoe choice.
And then shows up and then it's horses and she's like,
fuck yeah, I got cowboy boots on about with Texas
around La.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Yeah, she's ready to go.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I love her, and I think that he loves like
her Texas spirit. You know that she comes in cowboy
boots and these cute shorts, and she just has a
cute figure and she's adorable and she looks awesome in
those cowboy boots and she's just owning her home the
whole Texas and it kind of sets her apart from
everybody else else is you know, kind of dressing the same.
She's doing her things, she's doing her Texas girl things.
So I think he likes that. He likes a little
(35:19):
bit of that spunk. And we can see that he
likes spunk because he really likes it in Peg. So
I'm glad Siddy's bringing a little bit of that into
the whole thing. So they take the horses up to
the observatory observatory which is beautiful, and going up there,
I'm dying to go there. So next time coming, I'm
calling you, we're gonna go. Really want to go. I
would love to do that.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
You have on the horses that was one of my
favorite moments in the whole, Like episode two is like,
she's this guy, Yeah, I played football, Like I'm not
going to get intimidated by a damn horse riding along.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
You can see the panic on his face and he's like, Nope,
not mean no. She's sitting there watching and she's like, okay,
big guy, and she's just.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
She's having the grand old time, just laughing her ass
off at him internally that he's like kind of petrified.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
So they finally get up to the top and we
finally get to know Cindy, Like she talks about her
past and that she had a failed marriage, which came
as a surprised her, and she talked about her daughters
and talked about how hard it was, and I feel
like we finally got to know, like she was the
perfect Cindy up until now, and then you get to
see the vulnerable in the side of her. I don't
(36:27):
think that he though joined in like that would have
been a perfect opportunity because he had a failed marriage
to talk about his and he didn't. Didn't talk about
his struggles, didn't talk about raising those sons, you know,
without the wife. I mean I know that they had
shared custody, but still I felt like an opportunity for
them to really connect on that and it didn't happen.
(36:48):
I was a little disappointed, but in the end of
the whole thing, I felt like they had a really
good connection. First of all, there was a lot of
making out, so the physical connection was there. I felt like,
I'm like, finally gets him, and it sounds like when
she was talking to him on that date, she said,
you know, I talked about being a Biomican engineer and
a cheerleader and a valedictorian.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
She was, but I got such a badass.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yeah, it's such a badass, right. I know, I'm dying
to talk to her, and we're talking to her for
the next episode. But I feel like she has all
these successes in her life, but then she had a
field marriage and that's what she's sticking like, that's what's
sticking in her right now. So I love that she
got to talk about it. I wish he had opened
up about his but in the long run, I feel
like they had a really good connection. So I was
going into this Rose ceremony thinking I knew he was
(37:32):
going to choose I I felt bad when when Carol
self eliminated because she was kind of on my list
of maybe a maybe, but I knew he wasn't going
to choose Nicole Nope. So then it just came down
to a couple.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
So talking about surprisingly well, yeah, which I was, I
was kind of shocked about.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I could have easily saw her like maybe having a
little fit or a tiff where it was.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Like I didn't think she hadn't won it well at all.
I thought so inappropriate when she came out to the limousine,
so he said, can I walk you out? And so
did they walk up the limiting and what does she say?
I wrote it down so I could quote this. Okay,
she says, if it doesn't work out with the one
you pick, and it probably won't, then call me. And
(38:21):
then she said I really mean that. That was terrible.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
See, I just I imagined her going in a direction
of like fuck you, like this isn't it You should
have picked me? Like you messed up. That's like I was,
I was the one that was here for you. I'm
fully like invested in you, not like look at.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Me, I'm prettier than everybody, Like, yes, I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Seen something like that, but for her to just be like, Okay,
that's fine. Watch watch it, watch it fail, watch its. Yeah,
here I'll be here.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I'll be here. You call me. Okay. So he picks
his three, So he picks Cindy, he picks her first.
I always wonder if the order makes a difference. I
don't know. He piped Peg a second, and then he
pipped Debbie third. So Cheryl didn't get a rose and
Nicole didn't get a rose, and so I kind of
thought that maybe Cheryl might not get a rose, and
I kind of thought that Nicole might not get a rose. Well,
(39:13):
I know Nicole wasn't gonna rose, but I thought Cheryl
might not. But I kind of in my mind it
was between Cheryl and Peg. I wasn't sure he was
going to give Peg a rose. So I love his
final three. I think that they are all so different.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Type.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I can't figure out his type. So but oh and
then okay, Nicole already campaigning maybe I'll be the next
Golden Bachelorette.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I mean, seriously, Nicole, if there was a list of
like a multiple choice of things that I was I
thought she might say in her car at home that
would have been my first choice, so of course already
that is that was more on brand for what I
thought she might try to say.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
We should now move on because it's time for this
podcast to end. I mean, it was so fun being
you're talking through episode five because I thought it was
a great episode and I love recapping it with you.
So let's say goodbye to everybody, by everybody, and we
will be back with our interview with Cindy.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Yeah. I can't wait.
What's going on everybody, And welcome back to a Bachelor
Happy Hour. Sorry to interrupt your regularly scheduled programming, but
you're here with Jonathan Johnson and my beautiful co host
Joan Vossos. Yes, and we're gonna be talking about everything.
Golden Bacheler from episode five, bye and believe it.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
And when you're stebbing in for Serena and Joe are
traveling today, so you're stuck with Jonathan and I. But
we have a lot to talk about. We are so
happy to.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Be here, beyond happy to be here. Well, Joan, if
you want to start us off, go I just kind
of play off you yeah, go.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
For okay, okay. Well, first of all, like my first
thoughts about this episode is the house looks so empty,
like six people are so few, and I feel like
we got there really quickly. I don't know, do you
feel the same way, Like this is lou fun. We
only have six left?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Well, what do we start with twenty four, twenty five.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Twenty five, I don't know. We are six, we're at six,
We're getting down to three, so we.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Have already after five is insane And that's a.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Little bit of the shock when Jesse came in and said,
there's only going to be three hometowns, so like on
my season, I had four, and most seasons have four.
But I do remember back to Golden Bachelor and he
only had three also, so they're kind of like the
Golden Bachelors seem to only do three, which seems like
not very many. Although as someone who was a lead
and did hometowns, they're exhausting, so I can see why
(01:26):
maybe they're only doing free. But I just feel like
the house is so empty and there's only six of
them left, and it just seems like there's so much
less energy in the air now and it's all very subdued.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, and I like the the whole dynamic of the
women left too is insane. And I know, like I'm
jumping ahead, but I'm really excited to talk about like
who's left. But like everything that had led up to
this moment, like all like the like the spiritual journeys
he was doing with people and like the one on
one like it was all very.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
It was an episode that needed to happen for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well, Botcher loves to do those awkward episodes where you
do all this really spiritual stuff with these virtual strangers,
and I had to do it on my season. I
did it with Pascal. We were both like we wanted
together as fast as we possibly Could's so uncomfortable, but weirdly, Okay,
I know we're going to get into this. We're probably
jumping ahead. But Mel embraced it a little more than
I expected him to. But let's talk. Let's talk that
kind of from the beginning to the end. Otherwise you
(02:21):
and I are just going to get off on a tangent.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Ye, We're going to never come back.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yep, we know how we are. So okay, So six
ladies left, and I remember it started out with the
two who didn't had never had one on one dates talking,
So it was Carol and Cindy sitting there and they
were both like, Wow, this is like a really important
day because homecowns are next week and or tomorrow or whatever,
really soon, and neither one of us have had a
(02:45):
date yet. And I remember, like Carol's saying like, I
don't think if I don't get a date, I don't
think I can get to where I need to be
with Mel. And I don't know if she was talking
about herself or with or Mel. She didn't think we
would know her well enough, but whatever, she kind of
just said that right out, and Cindy was really kind
and she said, you know, you've had kind of a
slow burn and give it some time. I feel like
(03:06):
you're on the fast track now and things are going
better for you. Which wow. Nice to Cindy, who also
had not had one on one date yet, so I
feel like she was really really kind. And then of
course Jesse enters and oh and I also remember from
I think those beginning conversations where Nicole and she's a
whole conversation we need to have. By the way, Nicole,
there's a lot to talk about. Nicole seems to be
(03:28):
very confident about Paule thing, like, you know, if I
can manifest it, it can happen. If I believe it,
I can manifest it, and then it's going to happen.
And I feel really confident, and I feel like Milan
and I had this deep connection. So she's seeming very confident.
Everybody else seems not particularly confident to me.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
No, no, And I can't tell if Nicholes is like
a real conference, so she's like doing it for the bit,
you know what I mean, Like obviously a lot of
what she's talked about this last episode is like, oh,
like I'm here to build social media career and monetize
myself and that, And I'm like, okay, yeah, she she
has a lot of like confidence in a way that
she goes about what she's doing. But is that confidence
(04:06):
from an internal place or is she just really good
at following.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
The storyline that she has set in her head? You
know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Like, there's there's a difference to acting confidently for your
own self interest in like a positive, good way, and
there's a way of doing it in like a professional way,
Like I have a job to do, I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Gonna do it. I'm gonna get it done, you know
what I mean? So, like, which which way is she
confident in?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out what her job is here,
and like we all expect that she's there because she
wants to find love and she wants to connect with Mel,
But I'm not really very confident that that's what it is,
or that she kind of wants both. But like the
mail part is just the second part of her journey,
not the main part. Yeah, Like if she ended up
(04:47):
with Mel, like I mean We'll get to this later
in the episode, because she does say some very strange
things when they were having kind of their last one
on one. But I think we should probably talk about, like, Okay,
here we go, a date card enters. Yeah, and so
the two people that are really really invested in the
state card are Carol and Cindy because they haven't had those.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
I haven't had one, yep.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
And like, can somebody Okay, I want to ask you
this question. Can somebody get a hometown visit without ever
having had a date?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I think somebody did on Grant season last year, Zoe had.
So it is a possibility for somebody to do it.
But I think the unsettling, uneasy like nature of it,
like to be like, hey, I'm going to bring you
home to meet my family and potentially get engaged. You're like,
I've spent a total of two hours with this person,
(05:39):
four hours with this person. It kind of fluctuates, like
I can see where her uncomfortability in doing so would
come from. And obviously we learned later on that she
decides to self eliminate, but you can you can understand
why she puts so much pressure behind this, and and
Cindy too.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I think Cindy is a little bit more confident in
their relationship.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Or maybe she's just like hiding like the I don't know,
like the uneasiest of its from well.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
And I feel like we've seen very little of Cindy's
one on one interactions with Mel. She seems very confident,
and she feels like she's falling in love. She's such
has such strong feelings, but we've seemed so little from her.
I don't know. For some reason, she hasn't got a
lot of airtime and and maybe Carol has had a
little bit more. But Carol's airtime seemed very uncomfortable and
a little awkward, like she had a hard time talking
(06:27):
to her.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I will say, though, I love that she owned it.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I think a lot of people can relate to it, too,
because when you're a good looking person, people like expectings
from you or you should be like this, or they
expect you to be like this outgoing, confident person. And
I think there's a lot of people out there like
that can relate to like, oh my god, like she
kind of recumanizes a situation where it's like, oh, I'm
a beautiful person, but like I get awkward too. You know,
she's like, it's been what was it, she said, like
(06:50):
seven years?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Seven years, seven years since she's had no I think
now that was Cindy. Cindy was sep years. I don't
know how long Carol has been, but it may be
someven but it's been a long time.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
For her, long a long period of time to jump
back into it and still feel that like, oh my god,
I'm I'm like a.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
Little kid again, like I don't know what to do,
but I don't talk to him.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, it's like there's something like very just like heartwarming
about it and it's easy to connect to, you know,
It's it's a very relatable thing.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
I totally agree with you. So mel come so h
Jesse comes in, he drops a date card, okay, of course,
and Cindy and Carol are sitting there like really, you know,
a little nervous, and of course we know the four
people that were called, so they called Peg who was
reading the date card, and Debbie and Cheryl and Nicole
(07:39):
were all called, and then the last one they called
was Carol. So like you see, the two of them
are waiting for their names, and the last name was
called was Carol. So Carol didn't get the one on
one and she comments, you know, like it's time is
running short and I'm running out of time, so she
knows that that's going to be really hard. But I
also love and Mel did the same thing I did
on my season. When you go in like these last
(08:00):
few dates and it's going into hometowns, Like I said,
I'm not going to give out any roses on dates
because it locks you in to something like So let's
say he would have given out a rose on the
group date and on the individual date, he would have
only had one rose left at the rose ceremony. There
would have been one rose hitting there. So I feel
like he did a good job and saying I'm not
going to give roses out on you know, either the
(08:22):
loop group date or the one on one date because
I think he needs, like elimining three people is a lot.
You're elimiting half the people that are there. So I
think that was a really smart decision.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I thought when he was at Griffith Park and I
know I'm jumping at a little bit ye with Cindy
and he's like, I got something for you. Yeah, I
thought he was about to like pull out a rose
and go against what he said because he had such
a good.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Time that would have been good. And I was like,
oh my god, okay, Cindy fro rudder. And then I
was like, oh, it's a star, which is still cute.
I'm like, okay, that's good.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
It was cute.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
But like to jump back, when Cindy found out that
she was the one getting to go, she got really emotional.
I think, yeah, I think part of it for her
was her her like empathetic side, you know, because she
had that conversation with Carol and they.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Were both kind of bonded over it.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
And I felt similar on my season, where I was
almost more excited and emotional for everybody else but myself, which.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I know it was a little bit of a problem,
but on there you.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Could tell Cindy was just like excited for herself but
sad for Carol, and it's like a it's a weird
mix of emotions, especially getting to that point.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
And that was such a good point because she handled
in such a classy way. She didn't jump up and
go oh my god, I got the date and I
got the date, or you know, like some people do.
She just have there really quietly and just like, very,
I didn't say it, you did.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Hey, it's okay, somebody's got to.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I know, thank you for saying it, because I was
thinking at it. I mean, I just felt like she
was really classy and she was very kind to everybody.
And I just think that's kind of like her demeanor anyway,
which is makes me like her even more.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
No, she seems like a sweetheart. She seems like a sweetheart, a.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Really good person. So they go on the group date.
So when I see Mel sitting up here on this
I think it's called butter Orfly Mountain something.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
But Butterfly Mountain Resort or something. It's here in La Actually.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, I know, it looks beautiful. And I see him
sitting up there, and I'm like, oh god, here we
go on one of these weird, awkward dates that I
don't know. I feel like we do them every Bachelor season.
I'm like, oh God, here we go again, making these
people say about these intimate, weird details about themselves.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
It's still uncomfortable, and here we are, and he is
Dual day though ideal group day is everybody gets their
own thing to do with you.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Very what I mean, because it's almost like a big
setting of one on ones.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, you're right, you're sorry.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Whether they're like ten minutes each or twenty minutes each,
you're getting your own time with him, which.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Is actually really really cool, especially.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
You're right, you're right, you're right. So they start out
by doing the shaman whose name was Danny comes Shaman.
Danny is here to make you do some uncomfortable things.
So everybody sit down and get ready to say something
really intimate about yourself in front of everybody and national TV.
And but this first one was kind of easy, and
(10:58):
you were supposed to write something on this little incense
thing that you need to let go or something about
like uh, some emotion that like you need to let
go of or something. And and Debbie said, kind of
like been her whole mantra for this whole season was
like the hopelessness that she'd given up on giving finding
(11:19):
love at this age, so she had she said that.
But then both Peg and Carol said that they that
they felt unworthy. And you look at both of them
and they're just so beautiful and so successful, and you
wonder how like people even on the show, because it
takes a lot of bravery and a lot of self
confidence to come in the show ever feel unworthy. So
(11:39):
that was like, a I was very surprised to hear
that from people.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, it is, it's it's weird, it's I mean, it's
also like a reoccurring theme too that I think the
show does like to bring on is like, that's a
feeling that's.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Relatable, you know what I mean. It's one of those
things that the audience can connect with, and I think
seeing it in the older general too, you're like, wow,
like sometimes it just never goes away. Even when you've
had somebody and it comes.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
To an end, that feeling still stays there, and it's
it's a scary yet reassuring thing that you can just
you know, Yeah, it's easy to get behind them, you
know what I mean, cheer them on and hope that
they get over that that feeling or that they feel
chosen at the end.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
I know, and that that whole thing about feeling chosen
at the end, and then it makes you even more
worried about them. So once they say the word unworthy,
you're like, oh God, I hope they choose you. I
hope they choose you. Well, two people said it, I'm like,
you know now what because you feel like, hush, I
want this to be your worthy moment and for you
to let go of that. And you know, you know,
we don't feel how.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Choose it's happened to you, or it could just pray
on your insecurity because.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Here we are, oh gosh right. You know, whenever if
we do those things, I always wonder, like what I
would have said? What would you have said if they
said that to you? Like, what is your one thing
that you need to let go of now I'm put
told to putting on your spot. I need a show
them in here call me.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I think if it were it would have been purely internal,
you know, I don't really worry about like external like
validation or judgment. It would have been something along the
lines of like forgiving myself for something in the past,
and I'm not sure what that exact thing would have been,
but something that allows for me to move forward. I think, honestly,
Mels is a good answer. He just had friction.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I think, I know.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
For interesting, I think his was internal friction from everything
that's happened up until that point, which was actually a
really good answer because you don't really see too many
moments from him that he's like diving deep, you know.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Like I said, he's a very stoic man. He doesn't
really like see too much. So when he's like saying
something that's the word friction deep.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
No, but the way he went about saying it and
doing it, it was a deep answer, and you can
tell he actually thought into that.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I feel like that is a
reoccurring theme also with him, because I think on his
date with Nicole he had said something similar, like what
to let go of? And it was I don't think
it was friction, but it was something like, you know,
like tension or turmoil or something I haven't written down.
I'll look at my notes, but he said something also,
So well, there's a theme that and we're not hearing
a lot from mel right, we don't know really that
(14:05):
much about him, but there is some kind of friction
happening or was happening in his life that you can
definitely tell exists, because that seems to be his theme
a lot. Yeah, yeah, even just with these one words.
So we did like to learn a little bit about everybody,
even in that little kind of insignificant, not big moment.
But then they finally got there one on ones and
Pegs was the first one, and I just wanted to
(14:27):
die for her. But she's such a good sport and
it is so fun. That's when they had to go
into the mud bath. I'd been like, please don't make
me do that. That's so gross, and she's such a
good sport and fun and she didn't care at all.
In fact, she's like, this is right up my alley.
This is so fun, And like I think half the
girls would have been like, oh, gross, I don't want
(14:48):
to go in there.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
That's mud.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yep, yeah, right up her. Ally she honestly too, I mean,
what is she not good at? I was watching episode
one when she was just like explaining all the things
that she's like, what the like, what I know she's
a fireman.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, and then bomb person She's like, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
She's like a reserve fireman. She also diffused bombs for
the police force for years. And she happens to be
good at everything else you brought, anything that was brought up,
She's like, I've done that.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
You're like, oh, yeah, I'm at the fear like she
at the fear. She beat him at every game. I think, like,
you know, a good thing he has a pretty big,
big ago because most guys would have been like like
slinking away home like sulking. He was like, wow, you're
good at everything, and he kind of embraced it and
liked it, which was actually showed me something good about
him again. Just these little things that you see that
he's impressed that she's better at things than him is
(15:42):
kind of charming.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
I think, honestly, Like I'm a very competitive guy too.
As like a fellow competitive guy. I love when there's
a woman that I bring around that can beat me
and stuff, like I.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Talk a little shit it.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
You're really good at what you do and you can
kind of like put me in my place. Like nothing
makes me eat that up more than like when they
can come in and do that to.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
My right because it makes chalk sulk a little bit.
When I beat Tennis and I did a couple of
other things Cornhall, he's like, all right, you're better at it.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Ye shoulders acted up.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
To Yeah it was you know that wasn't my game?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah right.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
I don't think we've seen him open up like internally, wow,
I just started so bad. He's he's opened up about
his own like internal self, but not his feelings towards
these women yet yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Yeah, And I don't think he's given.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Anybody real reassurance. He's waited for them to say something
and agreed. I don't think he's really taken a chance
to be like, hey, I want to let you know,
I really really see something with you going all the way. Yeah,
and its not over promising, you know what I mean
a lot of trouble because they do that.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, I know, But I do feel like at this point,
when there's only like six left, you're usually getting a
feeling from the mains, like where like you usually get
an idea about who they're really liking, and we definitely
I have no idea. Like from the beginning, I thought
this was Cheryl's to lose because she had that first
date and it went really well. But now I'm like,
I'm not sure if Cheryl's not in last place at
(17:19):
this point. And I usually don't feel like that. I
usually feel like the person that gets the first date,
like things grow a lot deeper because they had more
time in the beginning and now they have things to
build on. So I'm not really feeling that that way
about Cheryl. But I also am like so interested in
all the interviews that are happening kind of sprinkled in
this date, like after this date, and one of them
again was Nicole, and she's like having a conversation with
(17:40):
other women who are not on this part of the date,
and she's like, you know, I'm feeling a lot of
negative energy and a lot of insecurities from these other women,
and I'm feeling like that is making me feel more confident.
And she's like, and I'm really in tuned people's negative energy,
and so it's giving me confidence that I really am
(18:02):
that mill really is going to pick me. And I'm like,
you are so confused. I feel like she's so not
in tune with the way things really are.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, I don't think that she realizes everybody's picking up
on her energy as much as like she let on,
like she said everything that she did and all the
girls are like, uh, yeah, we know why you're here,
and they're just I just have a feeling they're not fans.
So she's taking their negative energy as like, oh, like
they're competitive, like they just are trying to get my man,
(18:33):
when it's like, no, they just don't like the reason
that you're here, to.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
Be honest, like, yeah, it's nothing against.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Who you, who you are, what you're doing. It's it's
completely what you're doing. Like that's the reason that that
negative energy is there. And she's just I don't I
don't think she's thought internally enough about what she said,
and she didn't hold her cards close enough to like like,
if that's your intent on this show. We know it happens.
People come on for the wrong reasons all the time.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
You know it's going to happen, But.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
It's so weird because it's not really true. In Golden's
so like, you know, like Gary season was so pure,
like none of us had a clue about Instagram. We
knew nothing. My season so pure, Like the guys were
not there to be Instagram, you know people. I feel
like almost.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
All the women here, not all of them all.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Not at all. Like you can't even find them on
Instagram hardly. I mean a few of them, but like
really not at all. So when you look at these women,
I feel like most of them are here really for
the right reason. I feel like Nicole is a little
bit of a out you know, kind of she's out
there on her own right now. I feel like in
that in that respect.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Oh and they say it too. They outwardly say she's
when they're when are they.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Like sitting all in a group and she's saying something
along maybe they at a table.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I can't remember the exact moment, but Nicole in the kitchen.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Oh, I'm looking to like monetize, like my workout program whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Her cooking her uh, her cooking thing, that's right, cooking.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Wants to be an like a vegetarian cook or something.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Yep. And then it's like it's either Cindy, Carroll or
Cheryl too many sea names.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
One of them goes, I'm just looking for a nice man.
I'm just looking for a nice man. And I was like,
I know, I'm just I think it was Carol crazy stuff.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Well she does take hints and she
is very not very self aware at all. So so
then we go on to the date with Cheryl, who
now I'm thinking, like he used to have this really
great relationship with him, and now I'm thinking it's really
faded a lot. But we're not knowing what exactly. We're
not seen on TV. Obviously, they're having interactions off off
the screen, and again mel is in a bathing suit.
(20:36):
He's going for a cold plunge this time, I'm like,
they're putting mel in a bathing suit a lot. I
think they really really like his physique, so he gets
it's a lot of funny time. I know it looks Goodney,
but she really doesn't want to do it, Like she's like,
I don't want to do this. This is freezing cold.
This isn't my idea of a good time. I'm really
but you know she has to do it. We all
(20:56):
know she has to do it, So she does it.
I don't feel like it's a particularly interesting date to me.
I feel like they're in there. He looks cold, she
looks cold. They're supposed to's supposed to clear your mind
and allow your feelings to take over or something I
(21:16):
don't remember.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Which is the last thing. Have you ever done a
cold punch? Oh?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, it's miserable, miserable.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
The last thing it does is clear your mind. All
you can think about is like keeping yourself alive.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Has it been three minutes yet? Literally, this is.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
The longest three minutes of my life. I just want
to get out of here, you know. And she's trying
to be like a good sport and not act like
a baby, but she is like, really doesn't want to
be in there, and I totally get it. I wouldn't
want to go to the mud thing, and I certainly
wouldn't want to go the cold punch, and I've done
one before, so I'm like, no, thank you, But I
do feel like, you know, she comes out, Mel says,
(21:51):
it gives you clarity. He's really buying into all this stuff.
He be wooned into the mud thing. He's buying into
this Cold Punch like he's kind of into it, like
in bigger way than any of the women I feel
like are. I feel like the women are all less
into it except for baby Debbie and we'll talk about
her next. But anyway, I feel like Cheryl wants to say,
(22:11):
like this cleared her mind, so it gives her a
lead in to say how she's feeling about him, and
she's she finally she kind of fesses up that she's
really strong feelings with him, and then she kind of
hesitates into like act, I'm actually I'm falling in love
with you. And what does he do with the classic
I really appreciate that And that's like the that's like death.
You can't he says that to you should get up
(22:32):
and walk out and self eliminate because.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
I'm kind of maybe reading into this though too, And
you got to think about what this show does, you
know what I mean, Like every time there's a clear
front runner, which she was in the beginning, you know,
she had the first one on one.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
She her story was one of the ones that just
like made me a tearsjerker. I just know I.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Loved her how she let go of that being mad
at him. She's a saint. He left her in the
hospital with a new.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
And then disappeared for a year, and then and then
she tapped their child for a week. I know.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
But yet she's like I wanted them to have a relationship,
so I'm gonna forgive it.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Gave him and then he loved and then he died.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I know, I'm like, this is just seriously.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
I was like, really, yeah, insane. It's a movie.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
It's a literal movie, yes, but they have an amazing
relationship up until this point. And like I know for
a fact this happened with Joey and Kelsey too, where
Joey was so locked in on Kelsey.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
That like they had to be like.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
You got to give these other girls a chance, Like
you can't just be like, no, this one now done, done,
don't you know? And this could be one of those
cases where it's like maybe he does feel so strongly
about Cheryl that like they're not showing that side of
it so that we don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Maybe they're playing into.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
It a little bit, but in this moment, like I
believe that all up until this moment when he said,
I really appreciate that. And then but then he kind
of went back a little bit and he said, like, I,
you know, I had strong feelings for you on our
first date and those haven't gone away. And then she said,
I really like for you to come to Colorado and
meet my family or he said, what does you know,
(24:09):
what would a hometown look like? She said, you come
to Colorado in my family, he said, And he says,
I really like to come to Colorado. So he's kind
of leading her on now, Yeah, he's bringing her back.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
She's feeling yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
And then he does the date with Debbie, and Debbie's
date was the one that would have made me so
uncomfortable because they do the tan trick yoga, yeah, which
like I don't know what it is, but I could
tell by that first pose.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
That other and like, yeah, hold each other lines.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Okay, it was really odd, and like she has straddled
to him in the first one, and I'm like, Okay,
this is really uncomfortable. Yet they were so comfortable, which
gives me kind of was starting to give me a hint.
Like I was thinking about rose ceremony all through this episode,
like really watching them to figure out I was going
to get a rose, and I kind of got a
hint that maybe she was going to get a rose
because they were so easy and so comfortable together. And
(25:03):
but I also just can't figure out his type. They're
so different. Every one of these girls is so different.
M Like, possibly Ryl and Cindy are a little same,
but I feel like everybody else. Peg is a live wire.
Debbie has never been married before, and it's just so
genuine and sweet and just wants to have love so bad.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Those ones that blows my mind. Yeah, she blows my
mind with that because she's stunning, too.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Cute, even the younger pictures they showed. I was like,
I know if she was my age, and I would
I would shoot.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
My be Like I know, I know you in April,
like you and April and that on Paradise.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, I know April, I love April. I know, I know,
I know, but I do see what you're saying the Debbie.
I think the attraction, the physical attraction is there.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Is really good, but it also goes past that. I
feel like they have like a really good rapport. So
I felt like after that date, I felt about Cheryl,
I felt better about Debbie and I ended up being
right about that. But like I really loved I loved
that Debbie could possibly be the one that she's finding
love with him.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Because such an amazing it would be the.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Best story because there's so few people like That's one
of the things like when you become a widow like
I did at my age, you become it's very lonely.
There's very few single people out there. All your friends
are a couple. So I can see her she's been
traveling this road for a lot of years of not
being a couple, and that's it's hard. It's it's actually
really really really lonely. But he said that similar to
(26:33):
oh is that right?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I've never seen my mom married, and it's what those
are one of those stories that I just like, I
connect you and I want to see her on this
on the show. Yeah, I know she's a very entertaining
woman too.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
We'll talk. Yeah, your mother is obviously so Nicole. So Nicole,
and he went on because there's a lot there, so
much to say, so much to say, and like so
not much to say because when it comes to she
and mel there is like really nothing. But he came
in and like his commentary was like, Nicole is one
(27:07):
of my favorites because she made me lemon bars. And
I'm like, I don't think you could think of anything
else to say about her.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
I think he likes that she is all over him too,
at least Yeah, from early early on, she was just
like all over him. And like, as a guy in
this scenario, you have to go off of like any
Q you can get, and it seems like hers is
very physical. So he's like, you know what, hell, yeah,
like this is awesome. Yeah, and then a divorced dude,
(27:34):
and then I'll take some physical attention this. Yeah, she's
stunning and she's all into me.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Done makes me feel good about myself, makes feel confident,
like I'm a good looking guy. This beautiful woman is
really attracted to me, So all this is good. I
do feel a little like that was okay. In the beginning,
it was uncomfortable watching it, Like when they were in
the pool, I was like, I need to turn this off.
This is uncomfortable. I actually have my grandson Lane and
be with me, and he was trying to fall asleep
on like, you can't watch this. He's only you shouldn't
(28:02):
see this. So I did feel uncomfortable. But the fact
that it never grew from the physical part of it,
it was I think the biggest problem in the long run.
But so they did the thing where they had to
turn over a card and they're supposed to like feel
the energy from the card, and they turned it over
and it said witness. And then the shaman said, you're
supposed to the witness observes things but doesn't take action.
(28:24):
What have you observed in your life but you haven't
taken action about? And Nicole very fittingly says, my fear
of not being stable, and we're like, yeah, no shit.
So I was like, yeah, we know that you have
a stability issue, and she talks about that later in
the episode, but okay, stability was the issue. And then
Mel says, okay, I wrote it down because it was
(28:46):
something that I thought was really weird. Stress. So he
had already talked about like friction, and now he's talking
about stress. I'm like, we have a theme going on
here right now, and we're learning a little bit about
mel but I don't know if we're ever going to
learn any more about this. But there's something happening in
his life that is causing him stress and fortune. So
I wish we would hear the rest of that, but
so far we haven't, but maybe eventually we will.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Maybe it's got to be something from from the previous marriage.
I'm sure, Yeah, you know you're in this scenario. Dating
is the number one thing. It's got to be something
along the lines of that.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
It's got to be it, because it seems like his
kids are in good places, so like, so far.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
That's I met them too at the RAM getting honored.
Yeah they were nice, the kids, nice kids.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, they seem really good kids. But he they finally
are out of that weird chalman thing and they are
talking and he says to her, what are your where
do you see yourself in five years? And instead of saying,
you know, I want to have a companion and I
want to travel and I want to build a life
with somebody, and you know whatever, I love being a couple.
(29:47):
She talks about her cookbook, and she talks about her
financial situation my dad, Yeah, my dad says a lot
of money that she's like, I want to be you know,
I want to author this book book and oh and
my apartment is too small, but you live in this
nice house and I'd really like to live closer to
the ocean, like implying that she's ready to move in
(30:10):
with him just to make her like better because she
lives in a small apartment. She obviously don't have any money.
So that's when he finally in an interview that says,
I think I see some red flags here, and maybe
this was what Robin was talking about.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah, yeah, like an episode Also that it didn't throw
him off when she's like, just give me a kiss,
like just for the camera, just for the.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Camera, that little cutaway.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
It was really weird, a little moment that just said
a lot more than just the three little for the camera.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
You are so right just for the camera. And why
would you say it anyway, because like supposedly she was
into it, So I don't know, right, So let's just
move on from her because I think we all know
how we feel about her, and if somebody in the
entire world thinks anything differently, like she's there for the
right intentions.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Like also, Devil's Advocate is super quick before we move
on too, I know for a fact, especially that I've
been like out there dating, there's a lot of women
like that. Though there are a lot of women that
will relate to that as well, that are like they
do want to find somebody where they feel as if
they will be taken care of for the rest of
their days.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
And it's not an insane feeling. You're just not in
the right setting to be acting and speaking on it
in that way.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
And that seems to be the only reason why she's there,
Like she doesn't seem to care about the way he
feels or the way she feels about him. It's all
like getting to the end where she gets to live
in a nice house near the ocean. It seems to me.
So Then the last day with Carol and that, like
(31:45):
I kind of felt sorry for both of them. Carol
said she was having a really hard time settling down.
She's feeling this ankst. I think she's probably going over
the script in her head, saying I gotta say goodbye
even if this goes really well, which it generally doesn't,
because it's a lot of individual Like all these are
kind of individual like you know, you know, thinking about
yourself and about things you need to let go of.
(32:06):
So theirs was a very nondescript ate other than both
of them had to talk about something from their childhood
that was bad, and Mel said friendship, which I was
so surprised, like that he wished she could give his
you know, younger self was friendship, And that sounded so
weird because I felt like he came from this you know,
cool neighborhood in Detroit, in like his you know, his
(32:29):
original package from the first episode looks like he was
like the popular guy in the neighborhood. And I was
really surprised to say that. And then and then Carol
said something like connection and touch and that maybe she
hadn't like felt that as she was growing up, which
seemed very like, very unusual. But the big part of
(32:50):
this date was herself eliminating her saying like I originally saying,
I don't think you're where you need to be. You're
not gonna pick me to go in a hometown. It
sounded like what she was saying, But then in her
interview she kind of backtrack on that a little bit
and she says, I just don't think Mel's my guy. Yeah,
and that kind of put it back on her that
she was taking more of the responsibility for like I
(33:12):
didn't connect with him, not that he didn't connect with me,
and I like that it gives her the power.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
I think in any scenario where like maybe something doesn't
work out, you never should just blame the other person.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
It takes two people to make a connection. It also
takes two people to split up, you know what I mean, Like, yep,
it is what it is. And I think rather than
just being like, ah, he didn't choose me, He's not this,
he's not that. She's just like, you know what, I
just I don't feel a connection, and clearly he doesn't
enough either to choose me for the one on one
and that's okay. You know, my person is out there somewhere, yeah,
(33:46):
and I'm gonna go find them, you know. And there's
no animosity behind it. There was nothing, there's no anger,
and he understood. He goes, Hey, I respect you, and
I respect that you stick to your word and that
you have to do what you gotta do it because and.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
She's brave enough to do that. Yeah, because sometimes they just,
you know, I think that there are sometimes other women
feel like maybe the guy or the girl isn't theirs,
but they go although to the row ceremony and they
you know, let the person do the hard job of
not picking them. I like it when when the people
give themselves the power. I mean, if you don't feel
like you're connecting, then you should go ahead and self eliminate.
There's nothing wrong with it. Take take the power back.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Hey, we love a strong woman, don't give him the power.
Come on, now, that's right.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
I agree with you. So now we finally get to
see Cindy on a date, who I've been dying to
see on a date. I can't believe it came down
to the last one on one. I thought she would
have gotten a date a thousand times more, but here
we are, the last one on one, and she is
so grateful to have it, and I love that that
was kind of her sentiment.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
And little Boots too, She's like, oh my god, this
is a hike. This dude was not the right shoe choice.
And then shows up and then it's horses and she's like,
fuck yeah, I got cowboy boots on about with Texas
around La.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
Yeah, she's ready to go.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
I love her, and I think that he loves like
her Texas spirit. You know that she comes in cowboy
boots and these cute shorts, and she just has a
cute figure and she's adorable and she looks awesome in
those cowboy boots and she's just owning her home the
whole Texas and it kind of sets her apart from
everybody else else is you know, kind of dressing the same.
She's doing her things, she's doing her Texas girl things.
So I think he likes that. He likes a little
(35:19):
bit of that spunk. And we can see that he
likes spunk because he really likes it in Peg. So
I'm glad Siddy's bringing a little bit of that into
the whole thing. So they take the horses up to
the observatory observatory which is beautiful, and going up there,
I'm dying to go there. So next time coming, I'm
calling you, we're gonna go. Really want to go. I
would love to do that.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
You have on the horses that was one of my
favorite moments in the whole, Like episode two is like,
she's this guy, Yeah, I played football, Like I'm not
going to get intimidated by a damn horse riding along.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
You can see the panic on his face and he's like, Nope,
not mean no. She's sitting there watching and she's like, okay,
big guy, and she's just.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
She's having the grand old time, just laughing her ass
off at him internally that he's like kind of petrified.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
So they finally get up to the top and we
finally get to know Cindy, Like she talks about her
past and that she had a failed marriage, which came
as a surprised her, and she talked about her daughters
and talked about how hard it was, and I feel
like we finally got to know, like she was the
perfect Cindy up until now, and then you get to
see the vulnerable in the side of her. I don't
(36:27):
think that he though joined in like that would have
been a perfect opportunity because he had a failed marriage
to talk about his and he didn't. Didn't talk about
his struggles, didn't talk about raising those sons, you know,
without the wife. I mean I know that they had
shared custody, but still I felt like an opportunity for
them to really connect on that and it didn't happen.
(36:48):
I was a little disappointed, but in the end of
the whole thing, I felt like they had a really
good connection. First of all, there was a lot of
making out, so the physical connection was there. I felt like,
I'm like, finally gets him, and it sounds like when
she was talking to him on that date, she said,
you know, I talked about being a Biomican engineer and
a cheerleader and a valedictorian.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
She was, but I got such a badass.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
Yeah, it's such a badass, right. I know, I'm dying
to talk to her, and we're talking to her for
the next episode. But I feel like she has all
these successes in her life, but then she had a
field marriage and that's what she's sticking like, that's what's
sticking in her right now. So I love that she
got to talk about it. I wish he had opened
up about his but in the long run, I feel
like they had a really good connection. So I was
going into this Rose ceremony thinking I knew he was
(37:32):
going to choose I I felt bad when when Carol
self eliminated because she was kind of on my list
of maybe a maybe, but I knew he wasn't going
to choose Nicole Nope. So then it just came down
to a couple.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
So talking about surprisingly well, yeah, which I was, I
was kind of shocked about.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I could have easily saw her like maybe having a
little fit or a tiff where it was.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Like I didn't think she hadn't won it well at all.
I thought so inappropriate when she came out to the limousine,
so he said, can I walk you out? And so
did they walk up the limiting and what does she say?
I wrote it down so I could quote this. Okay,
she says, if it doesn't work out with the one
you pick, and it probably won't, then call me. And
(38:21):
then she said I really mean that. That was terrible.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
See, I just I imagined her going in a direction
of like fuck you, like this isn't it You should
have picked me? Like you messed up. That's like I was,
I was the one that was here for you. I'm
fully like invested in you, not like look at.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Me, I'm prettier than everybody, Like, yes, I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Seen something like that, but for her to just be like, Okay,
that's fine. Watch watch it, watch it fail, watch its. Yeah,
here I'll be here.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
I'll be here. You call me. Okay. So he picks
his three, So he picks Cindy, he picks her first.
I always wonder if the order makes a difference. I
don't know. He piped Peg a second, and then he
pipped Debbie third. So Cheryl didn't get a rose and
Nicole didn't get a rose, and so I kind of
thought that maybe Cheryl might not get a rose, and
I kind of thought that Nicole might not get a rose. Well,
(39:13):
I know Nicole wasn't gonna rose, but I thought Cheryl
might not. But I kind of in my mind it
was between Cheryl and Peg. I wasn't sure he was
going to give Peg a rose. So I love his
final three. I think that they are all so different.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Type.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
I can't figure out his type. So but oh and
then okay, Nicole already campaigning maybe I'll be the next
Golden Bachelorette.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I mean, seriously, Nicole, if there was a list of
like a multiple choice of things that I was I
thought she might say in her car at home that
would have been my first choice, so of course already
that is that was more on brand for what I
thought she might try to say.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
We should now move on because it's time for this
podcast to end. I mean, it was so fun being
you're talking through episode five because I thought it was
a great episode and I love recapping it with you.
So let's say goodbye to everybody, by everybody, and we
will be back with our interview with Cindy.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Yeah. I can't wait.
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