November 7, 2025 • 33 mins
Today on “Happy Hour,” our former Golden Bachelorette Joan is back on the podcast! Joan is helping us dive into Mel’s Fantasy Suites and gives us her perspective as a former lead. We kick things off by getting into her and Chock’s updates: What’s the tea on their NYC move?? Then, we get into this season of “Golden” overall: What does Joan think about Mel’s lack of experience on “Golden” before becoming the lead? Plus, Joan gives us her thoughts on Cindy after interviewing her on “Happy Hour”! Tune in now to hear all this and more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, everyone, welcome back to bet your Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm Joe and I'm Serena.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
And we are here today with none other than the
past Golden Bachelor at Joan Joan. Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Hi guys, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hi, thanks for coming on.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Have you been I'd been great, busy fall, but I'm
ready for the cool weather. I think you're having it
too in New York, aren't you.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It's here. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Yeah, it's a little bit chilly today, which is kind
of nice. It matches like the fall mood. And as
much as you know we love fall, we're very excited
for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So cold Christmas is coming.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
How's that? I know? How's everything with you and Chuck?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Everything's great. We had kind of a weird summer. We
were both had made plans like prior to us kind
of getting together, Like he had planned to go in
a safari with the sun, so he was gone for
two weeks. I was going for a different two weeks
with on another vacation. So we kind of had like
a weird summer where we didn't see each other a lot.
But we've seen each other a lot in the fall,
(01:01):
so and we have a lot of plans for the
next like two or three months, so we're kind of
back into our groove again.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Oh that's nice. What are the plans for the holidays?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
So this year, so he's coming to my house for
Thanksgiving and then Christmas, he's actually gonna spend in Wichita
and I'm gonna spend here, and then we're gonna get
together a couple of days afterwards and probably go through
New Year's someplace, maybe here, maybe New York someplace. Yep.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Nice.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Did you guys ever end up getting a place in
New York?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
No, we're still looking. This is so hard, you know,
and I know you get it if you're not living there,
Like a place will come up and I'll go, okay,
I can come up in like two days or like
it'll be gone. So it's just too hard. We even
put like offers in on places like a sight Unseen
and there they rejected them because we hadn't seen them.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah, oh really, they like won't take it unless you've
been there to see it.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Actually, they actually had a friend that told.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Me that, Yeah, they had multiple offers and they chose
the one that had actually come to see the place.
So which makes sense, I guess. If you havemultiple offers.
So it's like a lot harder than we ever thought.
So it's been a year of us like thinking we're
going to get a place and we still don't. So
I think for maybe the month of December, we're just
gonna get an airbnb and just stay there for the
(02:12):
month of December and May. First of all, I love
it there in December, so I want to be there anyway,
and then maybe that will give us a way to
find a place. Hopefully some things will come up.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
We're there, definitely, I.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Would say that makes that makes the most sense. It's
definitely one of those cities where like if you want
to get an apartment, you just have to come and
get it. And unless you're gonna, like if you're gonna
stay for a month, I think that's a good amount
of time to find something that you really like. Yeah,
if not, like the two days you're here, you just
have to like suck it up and be like, Okay,
whatever we find this place may not be my favorite,
but I'm taking it.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
I mean that's kind of what we did. We came
in for I think like four or five.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Days, not even I think we were only here for
we only looked at apartments for two week, did two
days of looking.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
We did one day in Brooklyn, one day in Manhattan,
and then at the end of it we like they
are front Slash for the stage. It was basically like
you got to pick one. These will be gone in
a day, so either you got to come back and
look another time if you didn't find what you're loving,
or hopefully you found something that feels like it worked.
And we were like, all right, we're going.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
We did.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
We were like we're going with this one done, but
it is intense. They don't mess around.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
We were we were super picky, and now I'm like
over that. So I think you knew that you had
the lesson. Someone told you that that you can't be
super picky. So now I was like, I only way
to be in soho and I only went three bedrooms
and like there's like two in the next year that
will like fatisfy that criteria. So I'm just going to
now just say I want to be in New York
City and I'll figure out where i want to be
once i'm there for like a more permanent thing.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yes, and a month will be great because you'll be
able to kind of spend some time in the city
and figure out really like what your must haves are.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, right, like a big closet, A big closet.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, that's always a good one.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yes, let's let's talk. Let's talk a little Golden. I
want to ask your thoughts on this, because you were
not on Gary season for too long, you ended up
you ended up sending yourself home. But do you think
so like Mel we kind of talked about like Mel
and like kind of just struggling a little bit to
open up. And I blame a lot of it on
(04:06):
the fact that he's never been on a season like
he was never on like your season for instance, to
like kind of get comfortable in front of the cameras.
Do you think that little bit of time that you
were on Gary season helped you as the lead?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
It definitely did. So the first I have to hand it,
I have to hand it to Gary because he had
no experience, and he's the one that made it good
for us women. He was so open and so vulnerable
and so emotional really that it made it easy for us.
So I think having a lead that is good at
that And they just happened to really hit the you know,
(04:43):
the nose on the head. The head is that right
nose on the head, because he was just naturally, like,
very effusive with his emotions. So it definitely kind of
made me more comfortable being that way. If I had
had a lead like Mel, I probably would have came
off maybe a lot more closed. But Gary was, you know,
he was a great lead. He he made it so
(05:05):
all of us women felt comfortable opening up. So yeah,
definitely being on a season, But it depends on the
lead of the season because I think, once again, if
if Gary hadn't been so open, I think it would
have eventually happened. I think women are just naturally possibly
more emotional, especially as you get more and more tired
and you get less and less away, you get longer
(05:27):
long away from your home and your friends and your family,
you feel more needy. So I do feel like the
women would have gotten there on Gary season, and I
think the women on Mel season have gotten there. I
think men are going to have a harder time with it,
and Mel certainly has struggled with that.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, makes sense. You you got to interview Sydney. It's
a hard time, Cindy. You interviewed Sin on this podcast. Overall, like,
would you take away from the interview, what are your
thoughts on her?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
So gosh, I think she is so incredibly bright and
she's beautiful. I felt like she was giving more than
he was giving, and she was very patient with him.
And you know, she talked so much about her family
while she was on the show, and she brought him
to her home and introduced her to her daughters, who
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are like mean everything to her. So once again, I
felt like she was really really giving and open and
ready even with kind of very few signs from him.
And I think she's been very patient and I hope
it turns out for her. But I'm a little worried.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Interesting saying, yeah, we for Cindy at the beginning of
the season, she was falling so hard and so fast.
We were really feeling like protective over her in her emotions,
but she seems to have kind of like gotten her footing.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm curious to see how it played.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Totally agree. She was very emotional, and she said she's
a very emotional person, So I think that came out
so much in her interviews, like her emotions and that
You're right, she got invested very quickly without ever having
a date. So she had a date really really late
in the season, and it seems like, okay, so Cheryl,
you understand her getting invested. You understand some of the
people that had earlier dates, you know, kind of feeling
(07:26):
like they had a connection, and like we kind of
know that when you were on Bachelor, the people that
had the earlier dates have kind of a head start.
So like, like I picked Chalk in the beginning because
I wanted to see if, like I felt really good
about him, and I wanted to like test my theory
and if your theory is right. Sometimes those people just
have a head start, So like Cheryl had a headstart,
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you know, DeBie kind of had one. I mean, there's
a bunch of people that had headstarts. Cindy was the
last one. Yet even regardless of that, she was already
really emotionally involved with him.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Does she remind you, maybe not not like her herself,
but like her journey or how she's handling this remind
you of anyone from your season.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Like as far as being as yeah, actually a little
bit of Leslie. She was very emotionally involved with him
from the very beginning, even like when somebody would like
somebody else would get a date card, she'd get really
like upset about it if anybody.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Was being really emotionally invested very quickly.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Very quickly, and then didn't get a date forever and gosh,
I can't even remember. Oh and then her date was
very sporty because she's really athletic and was ATVing and
she was disappointed actually in her date because she wanted
something more romantic.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Okay, interesting out of the other women from this season,
who has kind of stuck out to you?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Oh, I love Debbie, you know, I ope.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
My heart goes certain that it was going to be
her and mouth at the end, he really.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Was, I'm with you, especially when it came down to
the last three. I'm like, Okay, you got this, you
got this girl. I was so disappointed when he sent
her home. And I do kind of get it. You know,
someone who's never been married before is coming to this
into this, and that doesn't have children, is coming into
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this like in a different place in their life kind of,
you know, as far as maturity and where you are
in like you're maybe your career journey, you might be
in the same place, but like to have this family
and and I also have to say, like her date
or her hometown seemed very different. It seemed like they
were at a retirement community, like there was no young energy,
and he is around a lot of young energy, Like
(09:39):
in his life he has young sons. He's an athlete,
so he's around you know, athletics, so you know, again
younger people. So I think maybe Debbie's hometown kind of
ruined it for her a little bit. I think otherwise
they were a really good match.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
That's so interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I know I thought at that, I thought about that.
That makes because I remember even just like when he
went to Cindy's house and the three young daughter and
the laws their fiance.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I looked at it as Debbie would maybe feel like
feel younger in terms of her stage of life because
she hasn't been married and had children, like she almost
her story really felt like it mirrored a lot of
the stories of the women that go on the regular
season of The Bachelor, like saying, you know, I'm looking
for love, I've never been married.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I want all of these things.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
But right her her day to day life, because she
doesn't have children or grandchildren, she spends way more time
with people that are her age.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Probably and having kids and having grandkids really keep you young. Honestly,
Like my kids keep me like kind of you know,
I know the music, I'm out like, I go do
fun things with them. I go to you know, beer gardens,
and I'm on playgrounds with little kids. It keeps you young.
She is in a very adult world. Even if you
looked at her brothers and her sisters, they I felt
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like I was at a retirement community. I felt like
we were sitting at the lawn at like a retirement
place with all of the older people, and they were
two younger people there. They kind of were over to
the side, if you recall, and they didn't really I
don't feel like they interacted it all with them. So
even maybe they tried to get some young energy in,
but it ended up they ended up really not being
part of the program at all. And you know, I
(11:21):
also think that we didn't see a lot of the
hometown dates. It was a really quick episode, was a
one hour episode with three hometowns. You didn't really get
a sense of what they did other than meeting each other,
meeting the families, and I'm sure they had something they
did something else.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I'm actually glad they only did three hometowns because of
that reason. I think if they had four, it would
have felt very.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Rushed, nothing out of it.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I think we've had that problem anyway. I think we
I feel like I haven't seen any of the relationships
unfold this season. I feel like I've missed whole conversations
that I should have had, Like for example, with with Cindy,
like she's so invested in him. I'm like she just like,
like all of a sudden like love him. She must
have had had some really good interactions with him, and
(12:10):
she's alluded to it, like she's had great conversations.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Did you ask her did you ask her that when
you interviewed her.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I don't think we ever asked that. She certainly alluded
that they had. In fact, I think she volunteered it.
I remember saying, we had great conversations. It flowed very easily.
They laughed like they you know, she definitely alluded to that.
We never saw this with really almost anybody unless they
had a one on one date. We never saw their
little five minute things that we know happened all the
(12:34):
time during dates and during the mansion, I mean at
the mansion, even like before Rose ceremonies. Those are really
important conversations. We saw almost none of them.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. Never I don't think we've seen
any ROS ceremony.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
No, I don't remember conversations.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Were at the ROST ceremony. Yeah yeah, all of a.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Sudden, we're standing in front of the pool.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, I know. True. Yeah, there's no Yeah, there's no
like on this season. And I like, there's no like
last minute conversation of like someone trying to save themselves
someone like you know what. We don't get any of that.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Yeah, I'd be interested to see more of the conversations
because I feel like I was thinking about this watching
the Fantasy Suite episode, which we'll get into because I'd
love to hear your thoughts on Peg in the episode.
But I feel like mel is very locked in. He
gives them their undivided attention. I mean, not like he's
got his phone that he could look at anyway, but
like when they're talking, like he is looking at them,
(13:31):
he is engaged in what they are saying. But he's
not a very open person emotionally, Like he's just not
And so I'm wondering, like, are those conversations even there
for us to see or like like, why aren't we
seeing them as kind of I guess my question.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Such a good question because you think, like, these are
all smart women, they and they have been around the block.
All of them except for one has been married before,
so they've had like deep relationships. So are they really
falling in love with him without actually getting to know him,
like actually getting more from him. I feel like he's
probably getting giving more than what we're seeing. I just
think maybe it was produced in a way that for
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some reason we didn't see that much from it. I'm
hoping that's what it is. I feel like we are
all like, oh God, Mel doesn't have a lot to give,
or he's not giving, he's very very reserved, or maybe
he's just not even into any of these women. Like
you just don't know what to think because we're not
seeing any of these conversations. We need to have them.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I agree, And I'm going like you are.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I'm going off the women thinking like, all right, these
are these are smart, accomplished women, Like there's no way
they're all just like saying I'm ready to have a
life with this guy without him giving them anything. But
we're also seeing them start to push back so there
is that kind of balance.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Yeah, there is, You're right. Some of the ones now,
as they're getting like this, oh shit, this could be real,
they are pushing back a little bit and saying I
need to know how you feel about me because they
don't want to take that leap of faith and really
fall in love, or really maybe they are. They're holding
back a little bit. And you know, as long as
you hold back and don't say it, you can climb
almost undo it in your heart or in your head.
But once you say it, it's out there, and it's
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hard to undo.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
As a former lead who's a success story, what are
some of the like, what are some of the good
things Mel's doing? Like what are you watching? You're like, oh,
that's smart, Like you should should be doing that.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
So I actually think you shouldn't say I love you
to more than one person. And it's really really hard
not to give that back. When somebody says I'm falling
in love with you or I'm in love with you, you're like, like,
what do you say? It's so awkward. You say like
oh thanks, or oh that's really sweet, thanks for telling me,
or whatever. Anything you say is less than what they
just said. So you are not giving a lot back.
(15:44):
So he although I don't particularly he's doing it well,
he is doing it and I have to applaud him
for that because it's very hard to do. Gary had
the opposite problem. He just told everybody loved him or
the last three and that got him in more trouble
than I think what Mel's getting in by not saying it.
So I applaud him for that. I also, just like
you said, Serena, I think he is so he gives
(16:06):
them his undivided attention and he asks questions. The problem
is he doesn't answer any questions or he answers them
in a very like one or two word or one
sentence answers. But he does ask questions. In fact, he
found out really important things, like when he talked to
Nicole and he said, where do you see yourself in
five years? Well, she talked about her career making money,
so he had a really good idea, like he needed
(16:27):
to send her home. She wasn't there for the right reasons.
So he's asking good questions, he's just not answering them.
So I applaud him for not being overly emotional or
at least going down the path of I love you,
or like you're the one kind of thing that Gary
has done and lots of leads have done. But I
do think he is doing such a and I also
think he's doing such a good job of like finding
(16:49):
out what he needs to know.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Mm hmm, I agree. I agree.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
He's very inquisitive. He definitely is like a data collector.
Is how he tress me, Like he's trying to get
He keeps using terminology like educated guests and things like that.
He's trying to collect as much information to make a decision.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
He's just like so insanely left rain dominant.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
It's wild, You're so true, so true. And also think
he's pretty good in his interviews, like like he says
very nice things about the women, like about their energy,
or about how smart they are, or about how they
make him feel. So to the camera he's able to
give us some emotion a little bit, he's unable to
give it to them.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Well, I mean we saw at the women tell all
that all the women like him, Like no one had anything.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Bad to say about him, not a thing I know.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
So he's definitely doing He's definitely doing something right out
of out of all the women let's let's pretend Mell
picks no one at the end, so a peg in
Cindy are included in this equation. Who would you choose
to be the next Golden Bachelor.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Att hmmm, So I have two that I would choose, Okay,
so for well, maybe even three. So the first one
I would say is Debbie. I love having someone completely different,
and I think that we need a little shakeup. So
Bachelor Nation needs a little shake up, and to have
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an older person that's never been married, so I know
how it is to be single at this age now,
and it's not fun. The rest of the world are couples.
So I think she brings a different perspective to, you know,
like to the dating world that we don't really know
that well because you know, we are in a world
(18:32):
of couples. It's she's existed for sixty over sixty years
not being a couple. So I think she brings an interesting,
interesting perspective and I kind of like that, and I
think Bachelor Nation needs a little bit of shakeup. My other,
my second one is I really love Terry, and I
know that that's probably an outlier a little bit. I
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think that she's just very kind and you saw that
women tell all, she kind of came to people's rescue,
like she was complimentary of Nicole, which very few people were.
And I just think she's funny. I mean, I thought
she had that puppet puppet that was just funny. And
I love that she could just make fun of herself
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and just be goofy. I also think she's extremely right.
She's a dentist, and I think she's beautiful. And you
know what, she's seventy two years old. No one would
ever can you believe that?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
So I didn't know that. Wow, I know.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
And I think that we kind of liked a little
bit of an older bachelor or bachelorette. Everybody loved Gary
and they love that he was more of like a
grandfather figure, that he was a little in the older
age bracket, that he was a little more funny duddy,
that he was a little like you think, oh, he
needs us to find him love, He's never going to
(19:47):
find it on his own. I think we liked the idea.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah that's true.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure if Terry gives that same energy.
But I like that she's a little bit older, so
they could cast some older men for her. You almost
want somebody that needs help of course, like Diane. How
about Diane, Like she was in the world, she was
so so so suked. Maybe she'd be a great one.
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I mean, we want somebody that we are rooting for,
and we need that in the next Bachelorette.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, good points.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
What did you think about the Fantasy Suite episode?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Well, I feel like we have a cliffhanger. Obviously we
don't know what happens with Cindy. I think the peg
part of the day was kind of funny. I think
she learned something about him and about kind of how
cautious he is, so you know, like we'll touch on
fantasy sweet, but I just bought the date part. He
was he was driving like an old man, and she
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has the absolute opposite energy. She likes going best, and
she likes like she's even trying to get him good fast.
She's like hooping and hollering and like yeah, and he's
still like just driving like this, like slowly in the go,
in the in the cart. So I do feel a
little like she learned something about him that maybe she
thought was true, but now she really got a taste
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of it. Like he doesn't even drive fast in an
ATV like on a tropical island.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
It's funny because Jared Freed was on the podcast and
he said something that kind of stuck with me when
talking about Peg, which he was like, I'm sure Mal
is good for Peg in certain ways, but he was like,
Peg is good for Mal, like she is he she
is going to be someone that like really just like
pulls him out of his shell and like picks him
up and is like, let's go kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
The morning after the Fantasy Suite was the first time
we saw mel Oh god, he was like blush.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I was like down last day.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I think they had fun.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
He was that was that was the happiest I've seen him.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
He was like and most comfortable, Like he was so comfortable,
like I feel like, Okay, we're getting a glimpseep maybe
the mill that they've been seeing but we haven't been
seen all. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
He was like laying back and his jeans on the bed,
just lounging.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
I was like, okay, well, although I think I felt
like he was the same way when they did the
photo shoot for People magazine. I think it was People.
So when they did the photoshoot on the beach, I
think he likes being shortless because he was so comfortable
on that beach because he was shortless all the time.
I think he likes shown off at me as a
great physique. So I think maybe maybe feels comfortable showing off.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Maybe maybe.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Okay, So you know the ATV part happens with Peg
and Mau. What did you think about kind of their
night conversation.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Night conversation again, kind of not super telling. He held
back a lot, And this is the point in the
season where I feel like, when you get down to
the final two, you need to be like brutally honest,
and I don't think he is being yet. I think
he still gives himself this free pass to hold back
and someone needs to call him on it, and Peg
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did not. I feel like Cindy might, We don't. She's
looking a little like, hmmm, like we kind of had
this cliffhanger with her him not giving her what she
needed in her like looking at him a little sideways,
like like this is your sister has taken too long.
I don't know if I can, you know, keep investing
Peg gave him a prepass.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Do you think Peg, you think Pag may have asked
him when the cameras went down. In fantasy suites, I.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Do, and I think maybe he's more comfortable talking in
fantasy suits, which is the reason fantasy suites are so important.
I think that. First of all, I think they're very odd.
Fantasy suites are because it's just, I mean, everything you
do in the show is abnormal dating this is particularly abnormal.
Like when do you ever announce to an entire millions
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of people that you're going to go and have a
physical relationship with. So we're in closest store and we
might have a physical relationship right now, and it's just
so uncomfortable. I feel like I shouldn't. I don't belong there.
I don't want to know about it. It's it's very
uncomfortable to me. But the other part about fantasy suites
that is really important is that you do get to
close the door and the cameras go away, and you
can have the conversations you need to have, which is
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why I like had fantasy suites without a bed. Not
that a bed really makes a difference. I mean, you
can do it anywhere, but I mean it was just
it was a statement. It was a statement to the
person I was with, we're not doing this.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
But the end of the visual cue to the audience.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yes, yeah, yeah, but that those behind the door conversations
are super important because if you want to say something
that you don't want the whole world to know. First
of all, your family didn't sign up to go on
national TV and have everything about your life revealed. So
you need to talk families, You need to talk, you know,
other parts of your life, not just like you right
(24:44):
there in this moment falling in love with you. There's
you have a whole world, a whole life you left
behind that you need to talk about. You need to
talk finances you took, religion, you need to talk all
those things. So fantasy seats are important, and that's the
thing that I think is important about them. I think
though the thought of so this is a leap of faith.
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There's no way that you come to the end of
this journey one hundred percent sure of the person. So
I'm not sure why you have to answer every question
like the physical question part of this. Now, obviously that
needs to work. You need to have chemistry. You should
probably know that you have chemistry at this point and
that you know finishing it off, making sure it all
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works doesn't have to be part of this journey, like
the leap of faith that you know, some things don't
need to be answered and you can figure that out,
you know, in the next couple of weeks or next
couple of months or whatever. And you know, lots of
people don't work and it's not because of the physical thing.
There's other things that you're going to find out. So
I don't know. I feel like the Fantasy Suite is
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a good time for people that are uncomfortable having conversations
about their emotions. They do happen there, and I feel
like Peg got something from that one. She just didn't
get a physical encounter. I feel like she got what
she needed because she woke up happy as can be,
and I think she's do.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
You think she's in him? Like, do you think Pegs
into him?
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I kind of feel like, you know what, they had
such a friend energy at their one on one date.
It didn't feel romantic, even like when they were watching
Casey in the Sunshie Band and they were dancing, I
felt like they're like, I'm not sure Peg is a
romantic person, and I don't think Mel is a romantic person.
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So I think the two of them are not romantic
people together, I think as romantic as they can possibly
get and as in love as they can be. On
TV we saw in the bedroom, we saw that next morning.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Yeah, what did you think of Cindy and the sing
Rays and their night portion?
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Once again, mel like not as super fun happy, But
what's kind of interesting because I feel like he's presented
himself to be like mister activity, mister adventures.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
He's he's he's sports, you know, and there's there's so
I took it. There's there's rules in sports and you
know the way the game's played.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Where definitely a risk adverse person, both like in his
activity in his relationships, Like he is someone that likes
certainty and predictability, just both through the activities and in
the romantic conversations he's had.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, there's more like so true in football, Yeah, like
you have more control. There's like there's there's rules to
the game. Where you dropped me in the middle of
the ocean with like stingrays, I wouldn't want I mean,
I wouldn't like that.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
You would not know.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I wouldn't like it.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
You wouldn't liked it. I did it with guy I
had sharks and stingrays and they're like jumping there. I'm like,
I'm not jumping in there, and they're like it's safe,
and I'm like, all right, I'll jump in there. So
I jumped in and I had a great time. Actually
it was really fun. You know, once again, the idea
of a leap of faith is going to be a
problem for mel. This was a leap of faith, like,
I'm gonna trust these people that have done this. They said,
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we've done been doing this for twenty four years and
we've never had anybody get stung. Okay, we've ever had
an incident. He still had a hard time taking that
leap of faith. A lot of life is leaps of faith.
You just try it and you hope it works out.
I'm worried. Just like you said, he's risk adverse. I
kind of call him leap of faith a verse and
(28:16):
that's really hard in this on the show, like you
have to be a little braver, and he show He's
shown it multiple times. He's shown it with the ATV
and he showed it with the stingrays. He just doesn't
like doing things that make him uncomfortable, and a lot
of this is uncomfortable like you're you're hoping that the
risk is worth the reward, and I don't feel like
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he is a risky guy.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Do you think he gets down one knee at the end.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I think it's going to be hard. He has not.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I don't just based off of everything that you're saying.
Is kind of how I agree with what you're saying,
and I just I don't think. I think he looks
at it like that's that's too unrealistic for me.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
It's he's absolutely, unequivocally he said I'm not in love
with either one of you.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yeah, he's literally said it.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah, Like I am not there yet. I don't know
what's to come, but I'm not there right the second
he's absolutely said it. I can imagine between fantasy suites
and what there's usually like two or three days or
maybe four days in between the first fantasy suite and
then the second one, meeting families, meeting his family and
getting down on one knee. You only have a few days.
They're in that few day period right now. Yeah, I
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have a hard time seeing him falling in love and proposing.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Yeah, I agree, Yeah, but if he does, if he
does it, I support him either way, but I'll be
surprised if he proposes.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
My guess is, Peg, they don't get engaged and they
date after the show.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Do you think if that's what happens, they're still to
the other today.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I think there's I think they could. Yeah, I think
they're still together.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I think it's that I think if he does my opinion,
if he doesn't get engaged, he's gonna be a really
popular guy when the show finishes airing, and he won't
end up with anybody from the season. He's gonna have
a lot of women going after him, and I feel
like he'll like that attention. Wow, Okay, And I can
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say that in meanway because I totally get that he's
a great looking guy.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I don't know. I honestly don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
I feel like to me, I've always said throughout the season,
him and Cindy have this very giddy like almost like
young cute, flirty energy between them. I feel like it's
the most like soft and romantic I've seen him throughout
the season, which makes me feel inclined that that's where
he's gonna go. I mean, like, PEG's my girl, I
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literally love her, but that if we're we're thinking romance.
I think Cindy is romance. I think Cindy is the fit.
But I don't mel is making a decision off of
feelings and romance as much as he is like logic for.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
You're right away, whatever reason, For whatever reason, I just
have like since the beginning, I'm like, it's not going
to be Cindy. I don't know why. I think. I
think she's great. I just I think it's I think
it's the edit. Whatever the edit is doing that I'm
just picking up, and I'm just like, I just don't
think it's going to be her. I think like we
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are supposed to think like it should be her, but
it's not. But I could be totally wrong. I might
just be misreading this.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I think they're setting up the edit for a more
shocking heartbreak with Cindy than they would with Tag.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
That's what I Yeah, that's what I'm reading too, But
I don't.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Know, which then makes me think it's not going to
be Peg. Like I I we had the cliffhanger with Cindy,
so then it makes me feel like I don't I
don't know, but I do.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I do.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Like what you said, Serena about like that little bit
of romance, because like I said, I feel like they
were he and peg are really playful. I don't see
a lot of romance there at all, honestly, just because
I don't think either one of them are particularly romantic people.
I think she's super fun. I think he has a
hard time giving. But I did really was a very
surprised at the date where they did on that Butterfly
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Mountain where he was so spiritual, He was so into
all of those individual dates with the women, so totally
shocked me. So maybe there is something with he and Cindy,
because I feel like maybe she's more I don't know,
maybe not spiritual, but certainly more introspective, and that that
might be a better match for him than peg. M.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Maybe maybe we're all just reading way too much into this.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
We know so much.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
I think we might be doing that. Joan, it was
a pleasure of talking to you, so great. To you guys,
next time you're in New York. Hopefully we see you.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yeah, I'll text you guys.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Okay. Thanks for having me, of course, and to all
our listeners, thank you guys for tuning into Better Happy Hour.
Make sure you donald and subscribe to the podcast will have.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
New and excusive recaxting interviews come your way.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Thanks for listening, Bye,
Hey, everyone, welcome back to bet your Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm Joe and I'm Serena.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
And we are here today with none other than the
past Golden Bachelor at Joan Joan. Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Hi guys, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hi, thanks for coming on.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Have you been I'd been great, busy fall, but I'm
ready for the cool weather. I think you're having it
too in New York, aren't you.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
It's here. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Yeah, it's a little bit chilly today, which is kind
of nice. It matches like the fall mood. And as
much as you know we love fall, we're very excited
for Christmas.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
So cold Christmas is coming.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
How's that? I know? How's everything with you and Chuck?
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Everything's great. We had kind of a weird summer. We
were both had made plans like prior to us kind
of getting together, Like he had planned to go in
a safari with the sun, so he was gone for
two weeks. I was going for a different two weeks
with on another vacation. So we kind of had like
a weird summer where we didn't see each other a lot.
But we've seen each other a lot in the fall,
(01:01):
so and we have a lot of plans for the
next like two or three months, so we're kind of
back into our groove again.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Oh that's nice. What are the plans for the holidays?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
So this year, so he's coming to my house for
Thanksgiving and then Christmas, he's actually gonna spend in Wichita
and I'm gonna spend here, and then we're gonna get
together a couple of days afterwards and probably go through
New Year's someplace, maybe here, maybe New York someplace. Yep.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Nice.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Did you guys ever end up getting a place in
New York?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
No, we're still looking. This is so hard, you know,
and I know you get it if you're not living there,
Like a place will come up and I'll go, okay,
I can come up in like two days or like
it'll be gone. So it's just too hard. We even
put like offers in on places like a sight Unseen
and there they rejected them because we hadn't seen them.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah, oh really, they like won't take it unless you've
been there to see it.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Actually, they actually had a friend that told.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Me that, Yeah, they had multiple offers and they chose
the one that had actually come to see the place.
So which makes sense, I guess. If you havemultiple offers.
So it's like a lot harder than we ever thought.
So it's been a year of us like thinking we're
going to get a place and we still don't. So
I think for maybe the month of December, we're just
gonna get an airbnb and just stay there for the
(02:12):
month of December and May. First of all, I love
it there in December, so I want to be there anyway,
and then maybe that will give us a way to
find a place. Hopefully some things will come up.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
We're there, definitely, I.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Would say that makes that makes the most sense. It's
definitely one of those cities where like if you want
to get an apartment, you just have to come and
get it. And unless you're gonna, like if you're gonna
stay for a month, I think that's a good amount
of time to find something that you really like. Yeah,
if not, like the two days you're here, you just
have to like suck it up and be like, Okay,
whatever we find this place may not be my favorite,
but I'm taking it.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
I mean that's kind of what we did. We came
in for I think like four or five.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Days, not even I think we were only here for
we only looked at apartments for two week, did two
days of looking.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
We did one day in Brooklyn, one day in Manhattan,
and then at the end of it we like they
are front Slash for the stage. It was basically like
you got to pick one. These will be gone in
a day, so either you got to come back and
look another time if you didn't find what you're loving,
or hopefully you found something that feels like it worked.
And we were like, all right, we're going.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
We did.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
We were like we're going with this one done, but
it is intense. They don't mess around.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
We were we were super picky, and now I'm like
over that. So I think you knew that you had
the lesson. Someone told you that that you can't be
super picky. So now I was like, I only way
to be in soho and I only went three bedrooms
and like there's like two in the next year that
will like fatisfy that criteria. So I'm just going to
now just say I want to be in New York
City and I'll figure out where i want to be
once i'm there for like a more permanent thing.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yes, and a month will be great because you'll be
able to kind of spend some time in the city
and figure out really like what your must haves are.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, right, like a big closet, A big closet.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, that's always a good one.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yes, let's let's talk. Let's talk a little Golden. I
want to ask your thoughts on this, because you were
not on Gary season for too long, you ended up
you ended up sending yourself home. But do you think
so like Mel we kind of talked about like Mel
and like kind of just struggling a little bit to
open up. And I blame a lot of it on
(04:06):
the fact that he's never been on a season like
he was never on like your season for instance, to
like kind of get comfortable in front of the cameras.
Do you think that little bit of time that you
were on Gary season helped you as the lead?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
It definitely did. So the first I have to hand it,
I have to hand it to Gary because he had
no experience, and he's the one that made it good
for us women. He was so open and so vulnerable
and so emotional really that it made it easy for us.
So I think having a lead that is good at
that And they just happened to really hit the you know,
(04:43):
the nose on the head. The head is that right
nose on the head, because he was just naturally, like,
very effusive with his emotions. So it definitely kind of
made me more comfortable being that way. If I had
had a lead like Mel, I probably would have came
off maybe a lot more closed. But Gary was, you know,
he was a great lead. He he made it so
(05:05):
all of us women felt comfortable opening up. So yeah,
definitely being on a season, But it depends on the
lead of the season because I think, once again, if
if Gary hadn't been so open, I think it would
have eventually happened. I think women are just naturally possibly
more emotional, especially as you get more and more tired
and you get less and less away, you get longer
(05:27):
long away from your home and your friends and your family,
you feel more needy. So I do feel like the
women would have gotten there on Gary season, and I
think the women on Mel season have gotten there. I
think men are going to have a harder time with it,
and Mel certainly has struggled with that.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, makes sense. You you got to interview Sydney. It's
a hard time, Cindy. You interviewed Sin on this podcast. Overall, like,
would you take away from the interview, what are your
thoughts on her?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
So gosh, I think she is so incredibly bright and
she's beautiful. I felt like she was giving more than
he was giving, and she was very patient with him.
And you know, she talked so much about her family
while she was on the show, and she brought him
to her home and introduced her to her daughters, who
(06:30):
are like mean everything to her. So once again, I
felt like she was really really giving and open and
ready even with kind of very few signs from him.
And I think she's been very patient and I hope
it turns out for her. But I'm a little worried.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Interesting saying, yeah, we for Cindy at the beginning of
the season, she was falling so hard and so fast.
We were really feeling like protective over her in her emotions,
but she seems to have kind of like gotten her footing.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm curious to see how it played.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Totally agree. She was very emotional, and she said she's
a very emotional person, So I think that came out
so much in her interviews, like her emotions and that
You're right, she got invested very quickly without ever having
a date. So she had a date really really late
in the season, and it seems like, okay, so Cheryl,
you understand her getting invested. You understand some of the
people that had earlier dates, you know, kind of feeling
(07:26):
like they had a connection, and like we kind of
know that when you were on Bachelor, the people that
had the earlier dates have kind of a head start.
So like, like I picked Chalk in the beginning because
I wanted to see if, like I felt really good
about him, and I wanted to like test my theory
and if your theory is right. Sometimes those people just
have a head start, So like Cheryl had a headstart,
(07:49):
you know, DeBie kind of had one. I mean, there's
a bunch of people that had headstarts. Cindy was the
last one. Yet even regardless of that, she was already
really emotionally involved with him.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Does she remind you, maybe not not like her herself,
but like her journey or how she's handling this remind
you of anyone from your season.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Like as far as being as yeah, actually a little
bit of Leslie. She was very emotionally involved with him
from the very beginning, even like when somebody would like
somebody else would get a date card, she'd get really
like upset about it if anybody.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Was being really emotionally invested very quickly.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Very quickly, and then didn't get a date forever and gosh,
I can't even remember. Oh and then her date was
very sporty because she's really athletic and was ATVing and
she was disappointed actually in her date because she wanted
something more romantic.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Okay, interesting out of the other women from this season,
who has kind of stuck out to you?
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Oh, I love Debbie, you know, I ope.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
My heart goes certain that it was going to be
her and mouth at the end, he really.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Was, I'm with you, especially when it came down to
the last three. I'm like, Okay, you got this, you
got this girl. I was so disappointed when he sent
her home. And I do kind of get it. You know,
someone who's never been married before is coming to this
into this, and that doesn't have children, is coming into
(09:16):
this like in a different place in their life kind of,
you know, as far as maturity and where you are
in like you're maybe your career journey, you might be
in the same place, but like to have this family
and and I also have to say, like her date
or her hometown seemed very different. It seemed like they
were at a retirement community, like there was no young energy,
and he is around a lot of young energy, Like
(09:39):
in his life he has young sons. He's an athlete,
so he's around you know, athletics, so you know, again
younger people. So I think maybe Debbie's hometown kind of
ruined it for her a little bit. I think otherwise
they were a really good match.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
That's so interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
I know I thought at that, I thought about that.
That makes because I remember even just like when he
went to Cindy's house and the three young daughter and
the laws their fiance.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
I looked at it as Debbie would maybe feel like
feel younger in terms of her stage of life because
she hasn't been married and had children, like she almost
her story really felt like it mirrored a lot of
the stories of the women that go on the regular
season of The Bachelor, like saying, you know, I'm looking
for love, I've never been married.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I want all of these things.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
But right her her day to day life, because she
doesn't have children or grandchildren, she spends way more time
with people that are her age.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Probably and having kids and having grandkids really keep you young. Honestly,
Like my kids keep me like kind of you know,
I know the music, I'm out like, I go do
fun things with them. I go to you know, beer gardens,
and I'm on playgrounds with little kids. It keeps you young.
She is in a very adult world. Even if you
looked at her brothers and her sisters, they I felt
(11:00):
like I was at a retirement community. I felt like
we were sitting at the lawn at like a retirement
place with all of the older people, and they were
two younger people there. They kind of were over to
the side, if you recall, and they didn't really I
don't feel like they interacted it all with them. So
even maybe they tried to get some young energy in,
but it ended up they ended up really not being
part of the program at all. And you know, I
(11:21):
also think that we didn't see a lot of the
hometown dates. It was a really quick episode, was a
one hour episode with three hometowns. You didn't really get
a sense of what they did other than meeting each other,
meeting the families, and I'm sure they had something they
did something else.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
I'm actually glad they only did three hometowns because of
that reason. I think if they had four, it would
have felt very.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Rushed, nothing out of it.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Now.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I think we've had that problem anyway. I think we
I feel like I haven't seen any of the relationships
unfold this season. I feel like I've missed whole conversations
that I should have had, Like for example, with with Cindy,
like she's so invested in him. I'm like she just like,
like all of a sudden like love him. She must
have had had some really good interactions with him, and
(12:10):
she's alluded to it, like she's had great conversations.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Did you ask her did you ask her that when
you interviewed her.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
I don't think we ever asked that. She certainly alluded
that they had. In fact, I think she volunteered it.
I remember saying, we had great conversations. It flowed very easily.
They laughed like they you know, she definitely alluded to that.
We never saw this with really almost anybody unless they
had a one on one date. We never saw their
little five minute things that we know happened all the
(12:34):
time during dates and during the mansion, I mean at
the mansion, even like before Rose ceremonies. Those are really
important conversations. We saw almost none of them.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. Never I don't think we've seen
any ROS ceremony.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
No, I don't remember conversations.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Were at the ROST ceremony. Yeah yeah, all of a.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Sudden, we're standing in front of the pool.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Yeah, I know. True. Yeah, there's no Yeah, there's no
like on this season. And I like, there's no like
last minute conversation of like someone trying to save themselves
someone like you know what. We don't get any of that.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Yeah, I'd be interested to see more of the conversations
because I feel like I was thinking about this watching
the Fantasy Suite episode, which we'll get into because I'd
love to hear your thoughts on Peg in the episode.
But I feel like mel is very locked in. He
gives them their undivided attention. I mean, not like he's
got his phone that he could look at anyway, but
like when they're talking, like he is looking at them,
(13:31):
he is engaged in what they are saying. But he's
not a very open person emotionally, Like he's just not
And so I'm wondering, like, are those conversations even there
for us to see or like like, why aren't we
seeing them as kind of I guess my question.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Such a good question because you think, like, these are
all smart women, they and they have been around the block.
All of them except for one has been married before,
so they've had like deep relationships. So are they really
falling in love with him without actually getting to know him,
like actually getting more from him. I feel like he's
probably getting giving more than what we're seeing. I just
think maybe it was produced in a way that for
(14:10):
some reason we didn't see that much from it. I'm
hoping that's what it is. I feel like we are
all like, oh God, Mel doesn't have a lot to give,
or he's not giving, he's very very reserved, or maybe
he's just not even into any of these women. Like
you just don't know what to think because we're not
seeing any of these conversations. We need to have them.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I agree, And I'm going like you are.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
I'm going off the women thinking like, all right, these
are these are smart, accomplished women, Like there's no way
they're all just like saying I'm ready to have a
life with this guy without him giving them anything. But
we're also seeing them start to push back so there
is that kind of balance.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Yeah, there is, You're right. Some of the ones now,
as they're getting like this, oh shit, this could be real,
they are pushing back a little bit and saying I
need to know how you feel about me because they
don't want to take that leap of faith and really
fall in love, or really maybe they are. They're holding
back a little bit. And you know, as long as
you hold back and don't say it, you can climb
almost undo it in your heart or in your head.
But once you say it, it's out there, and it's
(15:09):
hard to undo.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
As a former lead who's a success story, what are
some of the like, what are some of the good
things Mel's doing? Like what are you watching? You're like, oh,
that's smart, Like you should should be doing that.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
So I actually think you shouldn't say I love you
to more than one person. And it's really really hard
not to give that back. When somebody says I'm falling
in love with you or I'm in love with you, you're like, like,
what do you say? It's so awkward. You say like
oh thanks, or oh that's really sweet, thanks for telling me,
or whatever. Anything you say is less than what they
just said. So you are not giving a lot back.
(15:44):
So he although I don't particularly he's doing it well,
he is doing it and I have to applaud him
for that because it's very hard to do. Gary had
the opposite problem. He just told everybody loved him or
the last three and that got him in more trouble
than I think what Mel's getting in by not saying it.
So I applaud him for that. I also, just like
you said, Serena, I think he is so he gives
(16:06):
them his undivided attention and he asks questions. The problem
is he doesn't answer any questions or he answers them
in a very like one or two word or one
sentence answers. But he does ask questions. In fact, he
found out really important things, like when he talked to
Nicole and he said, where do you see yourself in
five years? Well, she talked about her career making money,
so he had a really good idea, like he needed
(16:27):
to send her home. She wasn't there for the right reasons.
So he's asking good questions, he's just not answering them.
So I applaud him for not being overly emotional or
at least going down the path of I love you,
or like you're the one kind of thing that Gary
has done and lots of leads have done. But I
do think he is doing such a and I also
think he's doing such a good job of like finding
(16:49):
out what he needs to know.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Mm hmm, I agree. I agree.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
He's very inquisitive. He definitely is like a data collector.
Is how he tress me, Like he's trying to get
He keeps using terminology like educated guests and things like that.
He's trying to collect as much information to make a decision.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
He's just like so insanely left rain dominant.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
It's wild, You're so true, so true. And also think
he's pretty good in his interviews, like like he says
very nice things about the women, like about their energy,
or about how smart they are, or about how they
make him feel. So to the camera he's able to
give us some emotion a little bit, he's unable to
give it to them.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Well, I mean we saw at the women tell all
that all the women like him, Like no one had anything.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Bad to say about him, not a thing I know.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
So he's definitely doing He's definitely doing something right out
of out of all the women let's let's pretend Mell
picks no one at the end, so a peg in
Cindy are included in this equation. Who would you choose
to be the next Golden Bachelor.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Att hmmm, So I have two that I would choose, Okay,
so for well, maybe even three. So the first one
I would say is Debbie. I love having someone completely different,
and I think that we need a little shakeup. So
Bachelor Nation needs a little shake up, and to have
(18:11):
an older person that's never been married, so I know
how it is to be single at this age now,
and it's not fun. The rest of the world are couples.
So I think she brings a different perspective to, you know,
like to the dating world that we don't really know
that well because you know, we are in a world
(18:32):
of couples. It's she's existed for sixty over sixty years
not being a couple. So I think she brings an interesting,
interesting perspective and I kind of like that, and I
think Bachelor Nation needs a little bit of shakeup. My other,
my second one is I really love Terry, and I
know that that's probably an outlier a little bit. I
(18:52):
think that she's just very kind and you saw that
women tell all, she kind of came to people's rescue,
like she was complimentary of Nicole, which very few people were.
And I just think she's funny. I mean, I thought
she had that puppet puppet that was just funny. And
I love that she could just make fun of herself
(19:12):
and just be goofy. I also think she's extremely right.
She's a dentist, and I think she's beautiful. And you
know what, she's seventy two years old. No one would
ever can you believe that?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
So I didn't know that. Wow, I know.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
And I think that we kind of liked a little
bit of an older bachelor or bachelorette. Everybody loved Gary
and they love that he was more of like a
grandfather figure, that he was a little in the older
age bracket, that he was a little more funny duddy,
that he was a little like you think, oh, he
needs us to find him love, He's never going to
(19:47):
find it on his own. I think we liked the idea.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah that's true.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure if Terry gives that same energy.
But I like that she's a little bit older, so
they could cast some older men for her. You almost
want somebody that needs help of course, like Diane. How
about Diane, Like she was in the world, she was
so so so suked. Maybe she'd be a great one.
(20:11):
I mean, we want somebody that we are rooting for,
and we need that in the next Bachelorette.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, good points.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
What did you think about the Fantasy Suite episode?
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Well, I feel like we have a cliffhanger. Obviously we
don't know what happens with Cindy. I think the peg
part of the day was kind of funny. I think
she learned something about him and about kind of how
cautious he is, so you know, like we'll touch on
fantasy sweet, but I just bought the date part. He
was he was driving like an old man, and she
(20:45):
has the absolute opposite energy. She likes going best, and
she likes like she's even trying to get him good fast.
She's like hooping and hollering and like yeah, and he's
still like just driving like this, like slowly in the go,
in the in the cart. So I do feel a
little like she learned something about him that maybe she
thought was true, but now she really got a taste
(21:07):
of it. Like he doesn't even drive fast in an
ATV like on a tropical island.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
It's funny because Jared Freed was on the podcast and
he said something that kind of stuck with me when
talking about Peg, which he was like, I'm sure Mal
is good for Peg in certain ways, but he was like,
Peg is good for Mal, like she is he she
is going to be someone that like really just like
pulls him out of his shell and like picks him
up and is like, let's go kind of thing.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
The morning after the Fantasy Suite was the first time
we saw mel Oh god, he was like blush.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
I was like down last day.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
I think they had fun.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
He was that was that was the happiest I've seen him.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
He was like and most comfortable, Like he was so comfortable,
like I feel like, Okay, we're getting a glimpseep maybe
the mill that they've been seeing but we haven't been
seen all. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
He was like laying back and his jeans on the bed,
just lounging.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
I was like, okay, well, although I think I felt
like he was the same way when they did the
photo shoot for People magazine. I think it was People.
So when they did the photoshoot on the beach, I
think he likes being shortless because he was so comfortable
on that beach because he was shortless all the time.
I think he likes shown off at me as a
great physique. So I think maybe maybe feels comfortable showing off.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Maybe maybe.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Okay, So you know the ATV part happens with Peg
and Mau. What did you think about kind of their
night conversation.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Night conversation again, kind of not super telling. He held
back a lot, And this is the point in the
season where I feel like, when you get down to
the final two, you need to be like brutally honest,
and I don't think he is being yet. I think
he still gives himself this free pass to hold back
and someone needs to call him on it, and Peg
(22:57):
did not. I feel like Cindy might, We don't. She's
looking a little like, hmmm, like we kind of had
this cliffhanger with her him not giving her what she
needed in her like looking at him a little sideways,
like like this is your sister has taken too long.
I don't know if I can, you know, keep investing
Peg gave him a prepass.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Do you think Peg, you think Pag may have asked
him when the cameras went down. In fantasy suites, I.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Do, and I think maybe he's more comfortable talking in
fantasy suits, which is the reason fantasy suites are so important.
I think that. First of all, I think they're very odd.
Fantasy suites are because it's just, I mean, everything you
do in the show is abnormal dating this is particularly abnormal.
Like when do you ever announce to an entire millions
(23:48):
of people that you're going to go and have a
physical relationship with. So we're in closest store and we
might have a physical relationship right now, and it's just
so uncomfortable. I feel like I shouldn't. I don't belong there.
I don't want to know about it. It's it's very
uncomfortable to me. But the other part about fantasy suites
that is really important is that you do get to
close the door and the cameras go away, and you
can have the conversations you need to have, which is
(24:09):
why I like had fantasy suites without a bed. Not
that a bed really makes a difference. I mean, you
can do it anywhere, but I mean it was just
it was a statement. It was a statement to the
person I was with, we're not doing this.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
But the end of the visual cue to the audience.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yes, yeah, yeah, but that those behind the door conversations
are super important because if you want to say something
that you don't want the whole world to know. First
of all, your family didn't sign up to go on
national TV and have everything about your life revealed. So
you need to talk families, You need to talk, you know,
other parts of your life, not just like you right
(24:44):
there in this moment falling in love with you. There's
you have a whole world, a whole life you left
behind that you need to talk about. You need to
talk finances you took, religion, you need to talk all
those things. So fantasy seats are important, and that's the
thing that I think is important about them. I think
though the thought of so this is a leap of faith.
(25:06):
There's no way that you come to the end of
this journey one hundred percent sure of the person. So
I'm not sure why you have to answer every question
like the physical question part of this. Now, obviously that
needs to work. You need to have chemistry. You should
probably know that you have chemistry at this point and
that you know finishing it off, making sure it all
(25:26):
works doesn't have to be part of this journey, like
the leap of faith that you know, some things don't
need to be answered and you can figure that out,
you know, in the next couple of weeks or next
couple of months or whatever. And you know, lots of
people don't work and it's not because of the physical thing.
There's other things that you're going to find out. So
I don't know. I feel like the Fantasy Suite is
(25:48):
a good time for people that are uncomfortable having conversations
about their emotions. They do happen there, and I feel
like Peg got something from that one. She just didn't
get a physical encounter. I feel like she got what
she needed because she woke up happy as can be,
and I think she's do.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
You think she's in him? Like, do you think Pegs
into him?
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:08):
I kind of feel like, you know what, they had
such a friend energy at their one on one date.
It didn't feel romantic, even like when they were watching
Casey in the Sunshie Band and they were dancing, I
felt like they're like, I'm not sure Peg is a
romantic person, and I don't think Mel is a romantic person.
(26:30):
So I think the two of them are not romantic
people together, I think as romantic as they can possibly
get and as in love as they can be. On
TV we saw in the bedroom, we saw that next morning.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Yeah, what did you think of Cindy and the sing
Rays and their night portion?
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Once again, mel like not as super fun happy, But
what's kind of interesting because I feel like he's presented
himself to be like mister activity, mister adventures.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
He's he's he's sports, you know, and there's there's so
I took it. There's there's rules in sports and you
know the way the game's played.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Where definitely a risk adverse person, both like in his
activity in his relationships, Like he is someone that likes
certainty and predictability, just both through the activities and in
the romantic conversations he's had.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, there's more like so true in football, Yeah, like
you have more control. There's like there's there's rules to
the game. Where you dropped me in the middle of
the ocean with like stingrays, I wouldn't want I mean,
I wouldn't like that.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
You would not know.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I wouldn't like it.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
You wouldn't liked it. I did it with guy I
had sharks and stingrays and they're like jumping there. I'm like,
I'm not jumping in there, and they're like it's safe,
and I'm like, all right, I'll jump in there. So
I jumped in and I had a great time. Actually
it was really fun. You know, once again, the idea
of a leap of faith is going to be a
problem for mel. This was a leap of faith, like,
I'm gonna trust these people that have done this. They said,
(27:55):
we've done been doing this for twenty four years and
we've never had anybody get stung. Okay, we've ever had
an incident. He still had a hard time taking that
leap of faith. A lot of life is leaps of faith.
You just try it and you hope it works out.
I'm worried. Just like you said, he's risk adverse. I
kind of call him leap of faith a verse and
(28:16):
that's really hard in this on the show, like you
have to be a little braver, and he show He's
shown it multiple times. He's shown it with the ATV
and he showed it with the stingrays. He just doesn't
like doing things that make him uncomfortable, and a lot
of this is uncomfortable like you're you're hoping that the
risk is worth the reward, and I don't feel like
(28:38):
he is a risky guy.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Do you think he gets down one knee at the end.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I think it's going to be hard. He has not.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
I don't just based off of everything that you're saying.
Is kind of how I agree with what you're saying,
and I just I don't think. I think he looks
at it like that's that's too unrealistic for me.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
It's he's absolutely, unequivocally he said I'm not in love
with either one of you.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yeah, he's literally said it.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Yeah, Like I am not there yet. I don't know
what's to come, but I'm not there right the second
he's absolutely said it. I can imagine between fantasy suites
and what there's usually like two or three days or
maybe four days in between the first fantasy suite and
then the second one, meeting families, meeting his family and
getting down on one knee. You only have a few days.
They're in that few day period right now. Yeah, I
(29:31):
have a hard time seeing him falling in love and proposing.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Yeah, I agree, Yeah, but if he does, if he
does it, I support him either way, but I'll be
surprised if he proposes.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
My guess is, Peg, they don't get engaged and they
date after the show.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Do you think if that's what happens, they're still to
the other today.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I think there's I think they could. Yeah, I think
they're still together.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I think it's that I think if he does my opinion,
if he doesn't get engaged, he's gonna be a really
popular guy when the show finishes airing, and he won't
end up with anybody from the season. He's gonna have
a lot of women going after him, and I feel
like he'll like that attention. Wow, Okay, And I can
(30:22):
say that in meanway because I totally get that he's
a great looking guy.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I don't know. I honestly don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:30):
I feel like to me, I've always said throughout the season,
him and Cindy have this very giddy like almost like
young cute, flirty energy between them. I feel like it's
the most like soft and romantic I've seen him throughout
the season, which makes me feel inclined that that's where
he's gonna go. I mean, like, PEG's my girl, I
(30:50):
literally love her, but that if we're we're thinking romance.
I think Cindy is romance. I think Cindy is the fit.
But I don't mel is making a decision off of
feelings and romance as much as he is like logic for.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
You're right away, whatever reason, For whatever reason, I just
have like since the beginning, I'm like, it's not going
to be Cindy. I don't know why. I think. I
think she's great. I just I think it's I think
it's the edit. Whatever the edit is doing that I'm
just picking up, and I'm just like, I just don't
think it's going to be her. I think like we
(31:28):
are supposed to think like it should be her, but
it's not. But I could be totally wrong. I might
just be misreading this.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I think they're setting up the edit for a more
shocking heartbreak with Cindy than they would with Tag.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
That's what I Yeah, that's what I'm reading too, But
I don't.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Know, which then makes me think it's not going to
be Peg. Like I I we had the cliffhanger with Cindy,
so then it makes me feel like I don't I
don't know, but I do.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I do.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Like what you said, Serena about like that little bit
of romance, because like I said, I feel like they
were he and peg are really playful. I don't see
a lot of romance there at all, honestly, just because
I don't think either one of them are particularly romantic people.
I think she's super fun. I think he has a
hard time giving. But I did really was a very
surprised at the date where they did on that Butterfly
(32:13):
Mountain where he was so spiritual, He was so into
all of those individual dates with the women, so totally
shocked me. So maybe there is something with he and Cindy,
because I feel like maybe she's more I don't know,
maybe not spiritual, but certainly more introspective, and that that
might be a better match for him than peg. M.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Maybe maybe we're all just reading way too much into this.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
We know so much.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
I think we might be doing that. Joan, it was
a pleasure of talking to you, so great. To you guys,
next time you're in New York. Hopefully we see you.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yeah, I'll text you guys.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Okay. Thanks for having me, of course, and to all
our listeners, thank you guys for tuning into Better Happy Hour.
Make sure you donald and subscribe to the podcast will have.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
New and excusive recaxting interviews come your way.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Thanks for listening, Bye,
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