July 15, 2025 • 39 mins
Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re sitting down with Justin Glaze! Justin is here to tell us all about this crazy week in “Paradise” and what his perspective was. We jump right in, kicking off the episode with his relationship and breakup with Susie. He tells us how things came to be and what that breakup looked like, including the timeline. Then, he tells us all about his road to “Paradise” and what he went into his journey looking for. Next, of course, we dive into everything about his connection with Lexi, including all the details behind his shocking Rose Ceremony decision. How does he feel looking back at this decision? Tune in now to hear all this and more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachler Happy Hour. I'm Joe
and we are here today with Justin Glaize.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Justin. I love when I could just say the last
name and just smooth.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
You have a good name.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome, Welcome to Bachler Happy Hour.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Thanks for having me, guys.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Of course, I think this is uh, I don't know,
is this the first time that you've I've we've ever
been across from each other on a podcast.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
It actually maybe I'm thinking about it. Yeah, just shocking.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, we'll see how this goes.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Okay, so you.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Go back on Bachelor in Paradise. This is your Is
this your second or third time on the show?
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Me like that, Joe second, Okay, that's what I thought.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
That's that's what I thought.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I was like, pretty sure, but things got a little
mixed up because we had that fucking season off.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
So I was like, you know, you.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
You also on your season of Paradise, you left and
then you came back.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
That's what it is.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Fair fair, fair, Yeah, I mean technically, I mean listen,
I went on twice as well, so I have no
room to.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Speak not as well.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
You're the only one here that went on twice. Huh,
you're the only one here that went on twice.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well Justin went on.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
No, he went on one time. He's only been on
Paradise once.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Well, now he's been on twenty Oh.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, sorry, we're a little brain fried.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
What was so we know that you were in a
relationship with Susie prior to going on I guess just
before going on becheler in Paradise? What made you want
to go on? I mean you you're single at this point.
You guys had a break up. How long ago was
the breakup prior to going on the show?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
So we broke up in June of twenty twenty four, I.
Speaker 7 (01:55):
Guess that would have been right, and then we like
kind of semi.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Got back together, but we kept things like super private,
so we you know, kind of tried things out for
a few months after that and then officially broke up. Well,
we were broken up for several months after June, like
through late fall, early winter, and then got back together
for a little bit and then broke up early at
(02:20):
the like the beginning of the year.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Okay, okay, And were you in a space where you're like,
I'm ready to start dating potentially get engaged.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Yeah, I mean I had after that breakup, I hadn't
seen anyone else and just took some time, you know,
put a lot of work in on myself, you know,
even through dating Susie. You know, we were in couples therapy,
individual therapy and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
So it felt like I.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Had made a lot of changes to myself, you know,
my way of thinking, my lifestyle, and so yeah, I
felt as ready as I've ever felt were another serious
relationship and to you know, take that next step, Especially
as serious as my relationship was with Susie, you know,
where we were having conversations about marriage and kids and
things like that. It's the first relationship I've been in
(03:11):
where I've had those serious conversations that I actually thought
were going to happen, you know, in my life. And
so you couple that with the work that I put
in on myself, I definitely I felt like I was
in prime position to you know, take that next step
with somebody.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Going into paradise, you're ready for that next stage of life.
Was there any other preparation you did or anything you
did to get ready for it? And then was your
hope to find the person that you will spend the
rest of your life with. When you got down there
was that kind of what you maybe expected to find.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Well, I guess, to answer your first question, the only
other prep I mean, stayed in therapy, Uh, prep to
got a trainer, you know, got to get yourself right.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
And then honestly, I was just so focused.
Speaker 7 (04:03):
On work and like things that, as cliche as it sounds, were.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Filling my cup.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
So I was just like staying busy with work, working out, painting,
all the things that are healthy for me. I really
hadn't put too much pressure on the outcome of paradise,
Like I didn't give them any names of who I
wanted to see.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Like I really didn't care.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
You know, I knew what my intentions were going in
and if somebody matched up with that, great, and if not,
it was like, I'll see myself.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Out of here and get back to life.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
What why did you and Sissie break up?
Speaker 5 (04:37):
You know, there were a lot of little things that
over time, you know, kind of added up you know nobody,
and I think it actually kind of made the breakup tougher.
I feel like it's almost easier when somebody does something
where you can like point to it it's like this
is why we broke up, right, But you know, it's
odd and it's hard because as similar of people as
(05:00):
Susie and I are, Like, I've never been more compatible
with somebody, we are inherently, at our cores, very different people.
And I think that, you know, it's a result of
both of our you know, upbringings and relationship backgrounds, right,
both of our.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Both which are different between me and Susie, you know.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Our upbringings and our relationship backgrounds which have molded like who.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
We each individually are.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
And so you know, I think we had a hard
time really understanding each other and giving each other grace
in the areas that we needed it, you know, like
I'm a very logical person, for instance, and she's a
very emotional person, right, and so we were struggling to
meet each other where we needed to meet to get
(05:46):
through certain obstacles.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Right.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
So it's like two people can be so similar and
so compatible, but like those little incompatibilities over time can
just be such a hurdle. And you know what I
will say, like I commend us both for really putting
in the work to try and try and try to
get through those things and ultimately, you know, we just
had to look at each other and say like, hey,
like are these incompatibilities significant enough where you know, we
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don't think that we can make this work.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
And that's kind of the point that we got to.
And like I said to me, it's almost.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Harder because it's like, damn, like we're this close, you know,
to to making something work and you know, something that
potentially could have been great. But but yeah, that's kind
of kind of what it was.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, that's tough. Would you say the breakup was more
or less musual?
Speaker 4 (06:38):
It was?
Speaker 5 (06:39):
I mean we had definitely you know, again, there's I
think everyone has their you know, preferences and what they
look for in a relationship and different tolerances and things
like that, right, and so I you know, and I
don't think either is better or worse, right, Like I
know for me, and I think it's a matter of like,
(06:59):
like where you prioritize certain things in the relationship, right,
and what you need at a certain in your life,
I guess, but you know, I sorry, that's a long
winded answer. More more or less it was it was mutual.
I mean, Susie brought up the conversation, you know, like
(07:21):
I tend to be a person that, like, you know,
I'm like, oh, we can get through it. We can
get through it right where it's like okay, And and
for me, I hold such high value in like what
I call like that X factor of just being best friends.
Right Like Susie's my best friend, and I've never had
a relationship like that, and I know that I need
(07:42):
somebody like that as a partner, Like I need a
best friend right where. It's like, you know where Susie
was at at that point in time, like she I
think needed somebody that kind of you know, maybe checked
a few other boxes, you know, in those categories that
we were struggling to get through.
Speaker 8 (07:59):
And so.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Yeah, but ultimately it.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Was like nobody was like blindsided, like oh my god,
like where's this coming from. It was kind of like
the writing was on the wall, like maybe we need
to reevaluate this.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, yeah, okay. So you pivoting to first day of Paradise,
you get down there, you know, I'm kind of I
was in a similar situation as you had a potential
acts that could potentially go on the beach first day
down there. I don't know most of the people down
(08:30):
there my head, I would panic. That was like, what
the fuck am I doing back here?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Where?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Where is your headspace? When you're like down, You're like,
all right here I am. And it's also it's a
new format, So did that that like make you feel better?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
New location? Everything like that?
Speaker 4 (08:46):
It's funny.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
I actually just saw earlier today somebody said that Justin
was giving Joe first day on the beach, because that's
exactly how I felt.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I was like, bro, what is this?
Speaker 5 (08:58):
I mean, honestly, the new format was cool, right, Like
I mean it was the air conditioning. They had me
at air conditioning. It was like, you know, sign me up,
I'm good. It was interesting, I mean format wise, it
was so I'm glad that I got the experience at
like the og location. It was weird, like we barely
touched the beach, Like it wasn't really Paradise is all
(09:18):
pool deck.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
You know, you're saying it's giving like Bachelor in Resort,
not Bachelor in Paradise.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
No, totally, like there you know, the day beds on
the on the beach at the old place, like there.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Was nobody in the last like wow, exactly.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
So the location was cool. But I remember when I
walked in.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
You know, I really had only known Jonathan, you know, everyone.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Else I had never I mean, well Kyle was on
my season, but everyone else I had never met in person, like,
had never spoken to, wasn't following any of these people.
So I really kind of felt like an outcast. I
just felt like out of place and awkward, just like
where is everyone?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You know?
Speaker 4 (09:55):
I just I felt so out of place.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah that's so, that's that's a tough that's a tough place. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Okay, so then you kind of you hit it off
with Lexi and yeah, I guess tell us how like
how that goes?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Who are you chatting with other than Lexi? Like who
are you interested in? And those initial conversations.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
Yeah, so I've really only pulled Lexi and Alex.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
When I knew I had a date card going in.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
So I was like, okay, I need to like put
out some feelers and see, you know, who I could
potentially take on this stage. So I only pulled. I
mean I had kind of like side conversations with people,
you know, like you're in a group and you kind
of can get a vibe for somebody, and so you know,
I was just you know, trying to be super intentional
with my time.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
And I'm a pretty intuitive guy, so I kind.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Of know, like who I could vibe with and who
I probably won't, you know. That being said, I was like,
I'm open to being proven wrong, but out the gates,
you know. I pulled Lexi first, and then I pulled
Alex after that, you know, and Lexi was definitely more
of the serious, you know, you know, good head on
her shoulders, you know, intentional type of person at least
(11:08):
that's where our conversation went.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Where we were very aligned and a lot of what.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
We were, you know, our past relationship stuff and what
we were looking for, whereas Alex was more of the vibrant, funny,
goofy personality, which is also important, right, And so I
kind of had to weigh what I thought could have
more longevity, and I was like, you know, I was
I was more intrigued with Lexi. I was like, you know,
maybe I can extract that funny side out of her.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
So I went ended up going with Lexi.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
So your your date gets canceled with Lexi, gets rained out,
and then you end up taking the date the next day.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So how does the date go? Uh? And do you
guys talk on.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
The date to talk at all about your past relationship,
because that ends up being like, what, yeah, we seems
to freak her out.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
We see a little bit of the start of that
conversation between the two of you about you know, if
Susie's coming down and what that's going to look like.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Yeah, I mean, I will say I didn't just randomly
bring up my ex on this date. It was a
topic obviously, you know, inside conversations, you know, because we
got rained out the first day, so I guess two
days two or three days later when we actually had
our date, and so over the course of those days,
you know, just inside of our conversations, I knew it
(12:32):
was a point of contention, you know for Lexi, and
there's kind of like the elephant in the room of like, hey,
where you at with Susie, Like, here's kind of where
my trepidation is.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
And so it was cool because I had gotten I.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Mean, it was it was a bummer that our date
got rained out the first day, but it was to
me almost a blessing in disguise because I got to
know her a little bit better over the next couple
of days. So there was a there was more comfort
going into that date, right, So yeah, you know, it
was definitely a topic that I knew we needed to address.
So I forget how on that date it came up,
(13:05):
but I know that she had touched on her relationship.
I can't remember she had semi previously just gotten out
of a relationship as well, and so you know, when
I pulled her, that's something that she brought up. So
I was like, okay, cool, Like this seems like a
great person to navigate this with someone that is also
coming out of a serious relationship. So that's also you know,
being very intentional and serious about pursuing someone and not
(13:29):
just you know, paradising right, like and no shiate to
anyone who's doing that, Like great, but that's just not
what I went in it for.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
This time around.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
And so so we had kind of connected on like
you know, past relationship stuff, and so, you know, the
most the elephant in the room and the more serious
topic for me was my relationship with Susie, right, the
elephant in the room quote unquote, and the more serious
and touchy subject for Lexi what's her health condition, both
of which we assured each other like, hey, I'm not
(14:00):
going to pry into the stuff with Susie, and I
was like, hey, I will never pry into your health condition,
like whenever you feel comfortable. It was very mutual, like
whenever you feel comfortable touching on either one of those topics,
like I'm here to listen, and so that's kind of
what it was on both sides. And so I was like,
let me take this date as an opportunity to hopefully
put her mind at ease and answer any question she
(14:20):
may have about the relationship and just be as transparent
as possible.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
That's really what I was trying to do on that date.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Did you know at that point that Lexi and Susie
had had a conversation on the phone with one another
prior to go into Paradise.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
So she had told me a couple Yeah, she had
told me, like maybe the second day she was like
man like, which I thought was kind of awkward because
in the or it was interesting because watching it back
at the beginning, I think it was her that was like, wait,
who's it ex again? And then I think Jess was
like Susie and I was like, didn't you talk to her?
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
All about me?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Yeah, right, So I know that was interesting. But anyway,
she did.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
She did tell me that they she was once we
had kind of hit it off. She was like, wow,
like this is a bummer because you know, I just
feel uncomfortable I had. She was like, I had never
spoken to Susie before. But then Ariel put us in
a group chat, you know, Lexi Susane Ariel. I guess
all as kind of like a hey, like, you know,
(15:25):
wear this together thing exactly exactly, and she was like,
Susie was so sweet. She offered to like exchange clothes
and YadA, YadA, YadA. So Lexi's whole thing was like, man,
it's like a bummer, Like I almost wish that we
hadn't had that intro because then I wouldn't feel awkward
about this or obligated to talk to her, you know,
you know, there wouldn't be any contention there. So that
(15:48):
was kind of the extent of her telling me that,
you know, they had only talked one time prior, like
very soon before we all left for Paradise.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, and we definitely see that Lexi is struggling with
the Susie of it all.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Oh, we don't see that till after the Row ceremony.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Well, she's expressing in her interviews like, you know, is
this going to be a thing? LEXI knew that Susie
was coming down to Paradise. Did you know that as well?
Did you and Susie have a conversation about how you
were going to navigate both being there? What did you know?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I knew that Susie was going to be there.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
I mean we hadn't talked in a long long time,
but we did touch base about, you know, Paradise once
you know, I got the call and I was talking
to producers and obviously my biggest anxiety and stressor was like, like,
you know, they were pretty they were very transparent about like, hey,
we reached out to Susie as well, and I'd imagine
(16:46):
they did the same with her.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
So I was appreciative of that.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
You know, it's not something I would want to be
blindsided with, Like, you know, it's already tough enough to
do something like this with your ex. But you know,
we had a conversation and it was really along the
lines of.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Like, hey, let's call it what it like.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
This will be really awkward and tough, and if anything
is going to be sad, like, we're not going to
be those exes where things get messy and there's any
drama or anything like that. Like, there's always been a
ton of love and respect between us, no matter what
our relationship looks like. And so I kind of had
some comfort in knowing that, and I think I can
say the same for her, knowing that it's not in
(17:23):
either one of our personalities to like step on the
other's toes or make them look bad or talk bad
about them.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
In interviews or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Right, So it was really kind of a conversation like, hey,
if we're doing this, like, let's just be the coolest
exes that we can possibly be, show each other respect,
and you know, hope for the best for the other person,
and that's really all we can do.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
You're better off hating each other now.
Speaker 7 (17:46):
I'm telling you, dude, it's almost easier when it's like.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
It's tough, Yeah, because when you have that, then you're
you know, you're also you have another person's feelings that
you are now very aware of and worried about. Okay,
So then cutting back to LEXI, now we're on episode two,
and yeah, it's kind of like she's just like I
want to pause the breaks. I want to put the
(18:12):
brakes on this relationship romantically romantically, and it's like, why
did that go down?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
When it went down, it.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Seemed like she was kind of well aware of the
entire situation.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, as a viewer watching it, it looks like she
spirals about the Susie stuff before Susie comes down to
the point where she's like, I can't do this, and
then Susie comes down, she gets that reassurance she needs
and then is like, no, I think I can do this.
(18:46):
Was that how it felt like it played out to you?
And was her pumping the brakes a shock to you
when it happened.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
I wouldn't say it was a shock.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
It definitely caught me by some but it all sort
of tracked from things that I was picking up over
the course of the prior x amount of days that
I had known her. You know, it was very tough
for me to get an accurate read on Lexi for
a multitude of reasons. You know, out the gates, I
knew that she was very uncomfortable in the environment. You know,
(19:21):
I felt uncomfortable being there for other reasons, but I
know she was very uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
With the cameras.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
You know, she was like, oh, my dad watches this
with his coworkers, like I don't want to kiss on
camera and.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Stuff like that. So like fair, but.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Also that's tough on a dating show, you know, Okay it,
you know, and and and through it all, I just.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Tried my best to have grace and like be gentle
and kind and like help her through it, you know,
and try to be that source of comfort. I'm like, hey,
I know this is awkward and uncomfortable, and then you
throw in the situation with Susie, which I know that
she didn't sign up for, right, So I just tried
to have empathy for her because I understand if roles
(20:05):
were reversed and I was interested in someone and their
ex was coming and now all of a sudden, I'm
signed up in this potential not even triangle, because you know,
it's not like we're all try you know, it's not
like a dating thing. But I know it's not something
she necessarily signed up for. So I just tried to
be as understanding as possible. But I was treating it
like how even though we had only known each other
for maybe four.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Days at this point.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
I was trying to be as intentional as possible and
treat this like real life dating instead of like a
TV show, which maybe to my detriment, I don't know,
but you know, I tried to do what I could
to step in and give her reassurance and show up
for her without kind of overstepping or doing too much.
And I know, again, you know, because of the heat,
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you know, I know that she had to like go
to her room a lot, but then there's other times
where it felt kind of cold, where I'm like, is
she just not into me?
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Or is she looking for other guys?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Like?
Speaker 5 (20:58):
And without that communication, it was hard for me to know,
and so eventually I did bring it up, but I
think it was after this conversation.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
So all those things that I was kind of making
note of.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
And like kind of side comments about maybe waiting for
other guys to come, they were all kind of adding
up where it didn't come out of nowhere to me,
but it still caught me by surprise, like all right, like,
I guess, you know this is this is weird, but
I understand where you're coming from.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
I think the.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
More difficult part of that conversation for me was, you know,
I understand the trepidation as it relates to Susie coming in.
But to your point, Serena like, it then became about, well,
I know you're in La trying to grow your business,
and I'm in Atlanta, and I have no clue plans
of moving from Atlanta. I don't know if we want
the same things out of life. And so I was
kind of like, hey, your feelings are valid. I get it,
(21:46):
but to be fair, we haven't had those conversations. You
haven't asked me if I'm open to relocating. You haven't
asked me you know what I want out of you know, family, why,
how many kids?
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Whatever?
Speaker 5 (21:55):
I was like, I want to have those conversations, but
it's hard to build up to those more meaningful conversations
when you're really not around much for us to like
have those small special moments to get more comfortable with
each other, you know. And and that's where she she did,
you know, I give a credit. She was like, hey,
like sorry, like I am spiraling right now, like I'm projecting,
you know, I tend to do that, you know, And
so she apologized for and I understood. I'm like, hey,
(22:16):
like I get it. This is a very high stress environment.
But it did kind of that part kind of caught
me by surprise.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Was there an option for you to pivot? Like, was
there anyone else?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Like would you were you potentially like maybe I'll go
see us something's there with Alex?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Was there anyone else on the beach?
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (22:43):
I mean so during that conversation as well, you know,
she made a comment where she was like, I think
that maybe you should talk to other girls. You know,
She's like, maybe I want to talk to other guys.
And I was like, hey, totally. I was like, I'm
not a psychopath. We've known each other for four days,
like you know what I mean. Feel free. But again,
it was it was a bit frustrated.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Because that conversation, that conversation was in there.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I told her.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
I was like, I was like, hey, I trust me.
I was like, you can talk to whoever. And and
in fact, like over the course of those past couple
of days, guys were pulling her and having conversations, but
after every conversation she would come back to me, which
was reassuring to me. And you know, new guys would
come in or you know.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Sam came in.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
I was like, oh, like I could see him taking
you on a date and She's like, oh, dear God,
please know you know. So she would make comments where
I'm like, oh, maybe she's not interested in people.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
I don't know. I thought, you know, I don't know,
But I told her.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
I was like, hey, like I know myself, I'm genuinely
just not interested, not because I'm like latching on to you,
Like I'm genuinely just not interested in anyone else here.
Not to say that if new girls came in that
I wouldn't explore, Like, I'm being realistic and honest with you,
but I also I'm not going to just force myself
to talk to somebody that I know I'm not going
to be interested in.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
I'm not going to waste my.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Time right and there's nobody here that I see a
romantic connection aside from you, So why even divert my
attention and go off? I was like, but that being said,
just let me know what you need from me to
show you that I'm still interested, while also giving you
your space to do whatever you want to do.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, I think that's fair.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Okay, so Susie's down there, you guys end up having
like a heartfelt conversation. She tears up a little bit.
What does that do to your headspace.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
I mean it was definitely sad as predicted, right, Like
it was. On one hand, it was great to see
a familiar face, right, you know, it was kind of
like that best friendship doesn't leave, right, you know, we're
no longer romantically involved, but it's like we still got
our inside jokes.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
It's still it's still me and you, right, like we
know each other so well.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
But again I think we were.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
It was just like a conversation that needed to happen,
to break the ice and just be like, hey, we're
both here.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
It is what it is.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
This is gonna be tough, and so, you know, it
was definitely an emotional conversation, and I think more so
I like was just concerned about her being comfortable. I
know she like it was super awkward when she came in.
You know, I know we both had high hopes for paradise,
and at that point I was like, damn, like, it
(25:19):
really feels like she's getting the short into the stick already.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Like I knew Pickens were.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Slim, so I'm like, yeah, well even just the way
to feel fair, like the time and way she came
in obviously wasn't Susie's choice, like they sent her in,
but like even just like coming in at night, not
coming in like I think like morning with the date
cards always a little easier because there's no door metam. Okay,
I'm gonna pull a few people. I'm gonna take someone
like you have that structure where it's just kind of
(25:43):
sent into just like a free night, and I would
imagine that is hard to navigate.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Right, and like everyone's tired, like it's raining. Yeah, yeah,
this is tough.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Like how many nights did it rain? It looked like
it was raining on you guys every night.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
The rain is a problem, like you've.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Read night Like we couldn't. I mean obviously my date
got canceled. All the cocktail parties at my time, like
like there wasn't a single night that wasn't affected by
the rain.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yeah, even in like the intro credits, we see like
some people are dry and some people are in the rain.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Yeah, it was crazy astreaka rains.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
All right, before we jump to the rose ceremony, can
we just quickly touch on you have a conversation with
Lexi what appears to be at the cocktail party kind
of close to the rose ceremony timing wise, where she
says like I know that I wanted to take a
step back romantically, but I talked to Susie. We see
their conversation. Susie reishures for like, nothing's weird, It's all good,
(26:49):
and she then says to you like, I'm back in,
like I want to keep exploring. I feel way better.
Where's your head at after that conversation.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Well, well, during the conversation, I was like, man, this
sounds great, right, like this is everything I want to hear.
And then I kind of took a step back and
I was like, wait a.
Speaker 8 (27:09):
Minute for Roses tonight, Yeah, I said, so, you know,
once it kind of sank in, I was like, man, okay,
this is you know, and I didn't I think because
of the rain, Like I just didn't have an opportunity
to have a follow up conversation with.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Her to you know, and I didn't.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
I didn't want to press her or anything like during
that conversation because you know, it all sounded good. But
I do remember kind of being like, okay, just twenty
four hours prior, like you wanted to put a pin
in this and it wasn't even just about this, and
I was like, I understand that you admittedly like spiraled
a bit, but it wasn't that it was just about
the Susie factor, right, It was all the other things
(27:53):
that got thrown out that were calls for concern on
her end, where I was like, okay, so post this
conversation with Susan that I wasn't there, so I don't
know what transpired, but like, post that conversation, now you
have no hesitation about us, like geographically relationship, like none
of them anymore.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
So that that was kind of like a.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Humh moment for me of like how sudden of a
one eighty it was, you know, and it'd be different
if like I was really feeling like she was also
pursuing me and like something was there. But the whole
time it kind of felt like pulling teeth to get
something from her. And this was like I mean it's
little things, right, like this was the first time that
(28:35):
she threw a leg up on me or like was
kind of like physical and touchy with me, right, And
I was just like, man, like this is what I want.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
But where has anything like this been this whole time?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Right?
Speaker 4 (28:47):
You know you think.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
If do you think if that if that had been there,
you wouldn't have done what you did by giving totally
grows totally totally, because that'll because it could be painted
as like, because Susie was going home, you felt so bad.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
No matter what your connection in the house was, you were.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
No no, no no.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
So I mean it was such a split second decision.
But in my brain, I was like, Okay, Well, one hand,
there's this person that I've known for four or five
days that isn't really giving me any rhythm here. I
can't really get a true pulse as to how she
feels about me. This person could really flip flop and
play me tomorrow when new guys come in. Aside from
(29:31):
that cocktail party conversation, I have no real reason to
believe that she really wants to pursue something with me
long term. Right, So there's a ton of question marks here.
And she did just tell me everything that I've been
wanting to hear, so I could believe it, or I
could listen to my intuition that like is coincidental timing
with this road ceremony. So that's on one hand, and
on this other hand, I have this person that I
(29:54):
has been my best friend for an entire year, who
has continued to be my best friend through dating her
for over a year, right, who I have so much
love and admiration and respect for, who is one of
the most selfless people that I know, who I feel
I got the short end of the stick and often
does in life when she tries to put herself on
the back burner and do things for other people. And
(30:14):
I have an opportunity to embody one of the most
admirable characteristics that I know she has that I strive
to have, right, And I could give her this opportunity
to ultimately self sacrifice and give her a chance at
life because I don't think she got a fair one.
You know, Jeremy's the only guy that pulled her like
I felt so bad, and so I weighed those things out,
(30:36):
and that's ultimately what led to my decision was like, Hey,
I can help this person out or I can take
the risk with these question.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Marks that I have.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Right, And there had to have been also that question
with Lexi of Okay, if I give my ros Lexi,
we both stay, Susie stays two. We're all on this
beach together. Is this going to be? You know, a
never ending?
Speaker 7 (30:55):
Is shoe like for yeah, exactly. And here's the thing,
like if and I was willing to see that through.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Like had Jeremy given his rose to Susie, you know,
obviously I would give my rose to Lexi and pray
for the best that you know, and take her at
her word that it would no longer be an issue
and that we could all coexist.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
But obviously that's not what happened.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
So you make the decision to offer Susie your rose.
Were you surprised by her reaction?
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Yes, that was very surprised.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, you look surprised, and she looked surprised, and everyone
looks surprised.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
M Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
I think it was a big surprise to all parties
involved and not involved.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Why do you think that she said no to your rose?
Speaker 5 (31:52):
You know, initially I had no clue because I thought
that it was clear as they to me, like where
my intentions were and what I was trying to do
by offering that up.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
So I was.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Really really taken aback, and I remember just like I
kind of blacked out, like I just felt numb after
that and just wanted to like escape, like I just
wanted to disappear. It was just such a hard feeling
to describe. But you know, thinking back on it later
(32:28):
that night, you know my feelings aside again just knowing
Susie's heart and who she is, I was like, man,
because I wasn't able to have a conversation with her beforehand, right,
and I wasn't able to like tell.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Her what I wanted to try to do for her.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
So this I have to put myself in her shoes, like, oh,
she's probably expecting me to give this rose to Lexi, right,
And so if I know Susie, of course, like here
I am trying to do something selfless for someone who
is selfless, And what would this selfless thing be for
her to do? Not accept the rose because she wouldn't
want to step on Lexi's toes? Yeah right, she wouldn't
want to take a rose for somebody, from somebody that
(33:11):
she feels like deserved it, right, because she doesn't really
know the ins and outs of you know, I told
her a little bit about what my concerns were, but
she doesn't know the ins and outs of you know,
the relationship with myself and Lexi. So when I thought
back on I was like, oh, she's probably just doesn't
want to step on her toes?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
So yeah, was there any part of that It doesn't
come across this way, but was there any part of
that move that was potentially like, hey, maybe we could
see if we could rekindle.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
No, because I mean I hadn't thought too too far ahead,
but I knew that the next week.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Guys were coming in.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
So I'm looking around and I'm like, They're like, there's
if do the math. There's no girls, right, And so
I didn't know exactly what I was gonna do, but
I knew I wasn't gonna like twittle my thumbs for
the next two or three days whenever the next row
ceremony was. So I was, like, I said, self sacrifice.
I was gonna send myself home. I wasn't just hang
around the beach like I was getting get out of there.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Yeah. What was it like seeing Laxi at the premiere
party for Bachelor and Paradise the other night? Where do
I stand now?
Speaker 5 (34:20):
I mean post show, I have tried to reach out
to her twice I have not gotten a response back.
So there were no one. There were no words spoken
at the premiere bar.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Wow, okay, the silent treatment. Do you think that she
was standing up there expecting you to be giving her
the rose totally.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
And you know, again, like I I feel bad for
how that all went down. I mean, I stand by
the choice that I made, Like I don't have any
regrets about it, but I do feel bad, and I
do wish that we could have had a conversation beforehand.
We just we weren't allowed to write because at that point,
I really would have been like, Hey, here are my concerns.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Like the conversation that we.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Just had earlier tonight sounds great, It's everything that I've
wanted to hear, but and I would have pressed a
little bit more, right, But I didn't have the opportunity
to do that, So nobody saw coming what I pulled, right,
And so you know, post show, there's a lot of
things that I knew were confusing to her that she
didn't understand, and I wanted to have the opportunity to
(35:30):
kind of fill her in or what led up to
that decision and kind of tell her, you know, what
my concerns were. And I had also heard some things
post show that confirmed my intuition and some suspicions that
I had, and so I kind of wanted to just
put it out there, like, Hey, this is what I
was feeling during the show. This is also what I've heard.
These are all the things that led me to the
decision that I made. And just you know, I have
(35:52):
that dialogue. But you know, I totally understand not wanting
to have that conversation.
Speaker 7 (35:58):
I guess, like I respect that from her, but I tried.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I think like if if she would have told you
to have that conversation at breakfast and you guys end
up having a great day together and then you give
the rose to Susie, I'd be like, Okay, that's you
didn't have to do that. At the cocktail party, before
the rose ceremony, you have that conversation for like the
(36:27):
first time. It's kind of like, yeah, it would be
very hard for me to not think, like you do
you just want the rose?
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Right, And that's what I'm saying, Like, you know, all day,
I'm you know, I'm looking for something and you know,
I don't remember if it was that day or the
day prior. But you know, as I said earlier, I
was doing all these little things to try to really
pursue this person as I would in the real world. Right,
Like I know, she has a lot of dietary restrictions,
and so I would run around the resort and you know,
(36:57):
talk to the people taking orders and try to make
sure her stuff was like and free. And when she
was having health issues, you know, I would try to
step in where I could without overstepping of like can
I get you anything? Should we go in the pool
so it's a little bit cooler on your body, like
all these little things. And you know, eventually I was like, okay,
let me take a step back because I don't want
to be doing too much here if I don't feel
it being reciprocated, even in the slightest.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
So I kind of remember taking.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
A step back to see how she would kind of
maneuver throughout you know, the cast or whatever. And that's
the least we talked that day, was like the least
we had talked the entire time. So I'm like, all right,
you know, and Joe, to your point, it's like if
we had had that conversation earlier in the day and
then the rest of the day, I'm like, okay, so
I believe this, you know, we're making strides here, then
(37:40):
I'm sure I would have made a different decision.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
But at the eleventh hour.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
It's really hard to buy it and like go all
in on this person when someone else is sitting across
from me that you know I really still care about.
But I'm like, hey, get a fair shot at this.
You know, I was able to you know, I was
able to come into paradise without having you there and
you know, try to pursue somebody and like that's an
opportunity that I went for her.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah yeah, and like it's not like it's really not
working out for you, so why not give it to
somebody that you actually cared about.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
I get it exactly.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
It was wild. You are such a comedic, lighthearted, like
vibrant person to see you on this season from what
we've seen so far, like we really are seeing a
more serious side of you because you were just put
in a much more serious situation.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Yeah. Trust me, I'd love to be having more fun.
I'd love to be cracking jokes.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Justin We really appreciate you coming on. I love talking
to you and wish you nothing but the best.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Appreciate you guys. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Of course, And to our listeners, make sure you download
and subscribe to Badchelor Happy Hour.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
We will have new and exclusive interviews every single week,
so keep tuning in to about Storm Paradise and don't
get to subscribe. Thanks for listening. Bye,
Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bachler Happy Hour. I'm Joe
and we are here today with Justin Glaize.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Justin. I love when I could just say the last
name and just smooth.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
You have a good name.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome, Welcome to Bachler Happy Hour.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Thanks for having me, guys.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Of course, I think this is uh, I don't know,
is this the first time that you've I've we've ever
been across from each other on a podcast.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
It actually maybe I'm thinking about it. Yeah, just shocking.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, we'll see how this goes.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Okay, so you.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Go back on Bachelor in Paradise. This is your Is
this your second or third time on the show?
Speaker 5 (00:45):
Me like that, Joe second, Okay, that's what I thought.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
That's that's what I thought.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I was like, pretty sure, but things got a little
mixed up because we had that fucking season off.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
So I was like, you know, you.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
You also on your season of Paradise, you left and
then you came back.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
That's what it is.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Fair fair, fair, Yeah, I mean technically, I mean listen,
I went on twice as well, so I have no
room to.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Speak not as well.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
You're the only one here that went on twice. Huh,
you're the only one here that went on twice.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Well Justin went on.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
No, he went on one time. He's only been on
Paradise once.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Well, now he's been on twenty Oh.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, sorry, we're a little brain fried.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
What was so we know that you were in a
relationship with Susie prior to going on I guess just
before going on becheler in Paradise? What made you want
to go on? I mean you you're single at this point.
You guys had a break up. How long ago was
the breakup prior to going on the show?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (01:49):
So we broke up in June of twenty twenty four, I.
Speaker 7 (01:55):
Guess that would have been right, and then we like
kind of semi.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Got back together, but we kept things like super private,
so we you know, kind of tried things out for
a few months after that and then officially broke up. Well,
we were broken up for several months after June, like
through late fall, early winter, and then got back together
for a little bit and then broke up early at
(02:20):
the like the beginning of the year.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Okay, okay, And were you in a space where you're like,
I'm ready to start dating potentially get engaged.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Yeah, I mean I had after that breakup, I hadn't
seen anyone else and just took some time, you know,
put a lot of work in on myself, you know,
even through dating Susie. You know, we were in couples therapy,
individual therapy and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
So it felt like I.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Had made a lot of changes to myself, you know,
my way of thinking, my lifestyle, and so yeah, I
felt as ready as I've ever felt were another serious
relationship and to you know, take that next step, Especially
as serious as my relationship was with Susie, you know,
where we were having conversations about marriage and kids and
things like that. It's the first relationship I've been in
(03:11):
where I've had those serious conversations that I actually thought
were going to happen, you know, in my life. And
so you couple that with the work that I put
in on myself, I definitely I felt like I was
in prime position to you know, take that next step
with somebody.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Going into paradise, you're ready for that next stage of life.
Was there any other preparation you did or anything you
did to get ready for it? And then was your
hope to find the person that you will spend the
rest of your life with. When you got down there
was that kind of what you maybe expected to find.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Well, I guess, to answer your first question, the only
other prep I mean, stayed in therapy, Uh, prep to
got a trainer, you know, got to get yourself right.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
And then honestly, I was just so focused.
Speaker 7 (04:03):
On work and like things that, as cliche as it sounds, were.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Filling my cup.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
So I was just like staying busy with work, working out, painting,
all the things that are healthy for me. I really
hadn't put too much pressure on the outcome of paradise,
Like I didn't give them any names of who I
wanted to see.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Like I really didn't care.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
You know, I knew what my intentions were going in
and if somebody matched up with that, great, and if not,
it was like, I'll see myself.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Out of here and get back to life.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
What why did you and Sissie break up?
Speaker 5 (04:37):
You know, there were a lot of little things that
over time, you know, kind of added up you know nobody,
and I think it actually kind of made the breakup tougher.
I feel like it's almost easier when somebody does something
where you can like point to it it's like this
is why we broke up, right, But you know, it's
odd and it's hard because as similar of people as
(05:00):
Susie and I are, Like, I've never been more compatible
with somebody, we are inherently, at our cores, very different people.
And I think that, you know, it's a result of
both of our you know, upbringings and relationship backgrounds, right,
both of our.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Both which are different between me and Susie, you know.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
Our upbringings and our relationship backgrounds which have molded like who.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
We each individually are.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
And so you know, I think we had a hard
time really understanding each other and giving each other grace
in the areas that we needed it, you know, like
I'm a very logical person, for instance, and she's a
very emotional person, right, and so we were struggling to
meet each other where we needed to meet to get
(05:46):
through certain obstacles.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Right.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
So it's like two people can be so similar and
so compatible, but like those little incompatibilities over time can
just be such a hurdle. And you know what I
will say, like I commend us both for really putting
in the work to try and try and try to
get through those things and ultimately, you know, we just
had to look at each other and say like, hey,
like are these incompatibilities significant enough where you know, we
(06:11):
don't think that we can make this work.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
And that's kind of the point that we got to.
And like I said to me, it's almost.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Harder because it's like, damn, like we're this close, you know,
to to making something work and you know, something that
potentially could have been great. But but yeah, that's kind
of kind of what it was.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, that's tough. Would you say the breakup was more
or less musual?
Speaker 4 (06:38):
It was?
Speaker 5 (06:39):
I mean we had definitely you know, again, there's I
think everyone has their you know, preferences and what they
look for in a relationship and different tolerances and things
like that, right, and so I you know, and I
don't think either is better or worse, right, Like I
know for me, and I think it's a matter of like,
(06:59):
like where you prioritize certain things in the relationship, right,
and what you need at a certain in your life,
I guess, but you know, I sorry, that's a long
winded answer. More more or less it was it was mutual.
I mean, Susie brought up the conversation, you know, like
(07:21):
I tend to be a person that, like, you know,
I'm like, oh, we can get through it. We can
get through it right where it's like okay, And and
for me, I hold such high value in like what
I call like that X factor of just being best friends.
Right Like Susie's my best friend, and I've never had
a relationship like that, and I know that I need
(07:42):
somebody like that as a partner, Like I need a
best friend right where. It's like, you know where Susie
was at at that point in time, like she I
think needed somebody that kind of you know, maybe checked
a few other boxes, you know, in those categories that
we were struggling to get through.
Speaker 8 (07:59):
And so.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Yeah, but ultimately it.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Was like nobody was like blindsided, like oh my god,
like where's this coming from. It was kind of like
the writing was on the wall, like maybe we need
to reevaluate this.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, yeah, okay. So you pivoting to first day of Paradise,
you get down there, you know, I'm kind of I
was in a similar situation as you had a potential
acts that could potentially go on the beach first day
down there. I don't know most of the people down
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there my head, I would panic. That was like, what
the fuck am I doing back here?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Where?
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Where is your headspace? When you're like down, You're like,
all right here I am. And it's also it's a
new format, So did that that like make you feel better?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
New location? Everything like that?
Speaker 4 (08:46):
It's funny.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
I actually just saw earlier today somebody said that Justin
was giving Joe first day on the beach, because that's
exactly how I felt.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I was like, bro, what is this?
Speaker 5 (08:58):
I mean, honestly, the new format was cool, right, Like
I mean it was the air conditioning. They had me
at air conditioning. It was like, you know, sign me up,
I'm good. It was interesting, I mean format wise, it
was so I'm glad that I got the experience at
like the og location. It was weird, like we barely
touched the beach, Like it wasn't really Paradise is all
(09:18):
pool deck.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
You know, you're saying it's giving like Bachelor in Resort,
not Bachelor in Paradise.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
No, totally, like there you know, the day beds on
the on the beach at the old place, like there.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Was nobody in the last like wow, exactly.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
So the location was cool. But I remember when I
walked in.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
You know, I really had only known Jonathan, you know, everyone.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
Else I had never I mean, well Kyle was on
my season, but everyone else I had never met in person, like,
had never spoken to, wasn't following any of these people.
So I really kind of felt like an outcast. I
just felt like out of place and awkward, just like
where is everyone?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You know?
Speaker 4 (09:55):
I just I felt so out of place.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah that's so, that's that's a tough that's a tough place. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Okay, so then you kind of you hit it off
with Lexi and yeah, I guess tell us how like
how that goes?
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Who are you chatting with other than Lexi? Like who
are you interested in? And those initial conversations.
Speaker 7 (10:15):
Yeah, so I've really only pulled Lexi and Alex.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
When I knew I had a date card going in.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
So I was like, okay, I need to like put
out some feelers and see, you know, who I could
potentially take on this stage. So I only pulled. I
mean I had kind of like side conversations with people,
you know, like you're in a group and you kind
of can get a vibe for somebody, and so you know,
I was just you know, trying to be super intentional
with my time.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
And I'm a pretty intuitive guy, so I kind.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Of know, like who I could vibe with and who
I probably won't, you know. That being said, I was like,
I'm open to being proven wrong, but out the gates,
you know. I pulled Lexi first, and then I pulled
Alex after that, you know, and Lexi was definitely more
of the serious, you know, you know, good head on
her shoulders, you know, intentional type of person at least
(11:08):
that's where our conversation went.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Where we were very aligned and a lot of what.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
We were, you know, our past relationship stuff and what
we were looking for, whereas Alex was more of the vibrant, funny,
goofy personality, which is also important, right, And so I
kind of had to weigh what I thought could have
more longevity, and I was like, you know, I was
I was more intrigued with Lexi. I was like, you know,
maybe I can extract that funny side out of her.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
So I went ended up going with Lexi.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
So your your date gets canceled with Lexi, gets rained out,
and then you end up taking the date the next day.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So how does the date go? Uh? And do you
guys talk on.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
The date to talk at all about your past relationship,
because that ends up being like, what, yeah, we seems
to freak her out.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
We see a little bit of the start of that
conversation between the two of you about you know, if
Susie's coming down and what that's going to look like.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Yeah, I mean, I will say I didn't just randomly
bring up my ex on this date. It was a
topic obviously, you know, inside conversations, you know, because we
got rained out the first day, so I guess two
days two or three days later when we actually had
our date, and so over the course of those days,
you know, just inside of our conversations, I knew it
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was a point of contention, you know for Lexi, and
there's kind of like the elephant in the room of like, hey,
where you at with Susie, Like, here's kind of where
my trepidation is.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
And so it was cool because I had gotten I.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Mean, it was it was a bummer that our date
got rained out the first day, but it was to
me almost a blessing in disguise because I got to
know her a little bit better over the next couple
of days. So there was a there was more comfort
going into that date, right, So yeah, you know, it
was definitely a topic that I knew we needed to address.
So I forget how on that date it came up,
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but I know that she had touched on her relationship.
I can't remember she had semi previously just gotten out
of a relationship as well, and so you know, when
I pulled her, that's something that she brought up. So
I was like, okay, cool, Like this seems like a
great person to navigate this with someone that is also
coming out of a serious relationship. So that's also you know,
being very intentional and serious about pursuing someone and not
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just you know, paradising right, like and no shiate to
anyone who's doing that, Like great, but that's just not
what I went in it for.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
This time around.
Speaker 5 (13:39):
And so so we had kind of connected on like
you know, past relationship stuff, and so, you know, the
most the elephant in the room and the more serious
topic for me was my relationship with Susie, right, the
elephant in the room quote unquote, and the more serious
and touchy subject for Lexi what's her health condition, both
of which we assured each other like, hey, I'm not
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going to pry into the stuff with Susie, and I
was like, hey, I will never pry into your health condition,
like whenever you feel comfortable. It was very mutual, like
whenever you feel comfortable touching on either one of those topics,
like I'm here to listen, and so that's kind of
what it was on both sides. And so I was like,
let me take this date as an opportunity to hopefully
put her mind at ease and answer any question she
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may have about the relationship and just be as transparent
as possible.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
That's really what I was trying to do on that date.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Did you know at that point that Lexi and Susie
had had a conversation on the phone with one another
prior to go into Paradise.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
So she had told me a couple Yeah, she had
told me, like maybe the second day she was like
man like, which I thought was kind of awkward because
in the or it was interesting because watching it back
at the beginning, I think it was her that was like, wait,
who's it ex again? And then I think Jess was
like Susie and I was like, didn't you talk to her?
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
All about me?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Yeah, right, So I know that was interesting. But anyway,
she did.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
She did tell me that they she was once we
had kind of hit it off. She was like, wow,
like this is a bummer because you know, I just
feel uncomfortable I had. She was like, I had never
spoken to Susie before. But then Ariel put us in
a group chat, you know, Lexi Susane Ariel. I guess
all as kind of like a hey, like, you know,
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wear this together thing exactly exactly, and she was like,
Susie was so sweet. She offered to like exchange clothes
and YadA, YadA, YadA. So Lexi's whole thing was like, man,
it's like a bummer, Like I almost wish that we
hadn't had that intro because then I wouldn't feel awkward
about this or obligated to talk to her, you know,
you know, there wouldn't be any contention there. So that
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was kind of the extent of her telling me that,
you know, they had only talked one time prior, like
very soon before we all left for Paradise.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah, and we definitely see that Lexi is struggling with
the Susie of it all.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Oh, we don't see that till after the Row ceremony.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
Well, she's expressing in her interviews like, you know, is
this going to be a thing? LEXI knew that Susie
was coming down to Paradise. Did you know that as well?
Did you and Susie have a conversation about how you
were going to navigate both being there? What did you know?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (16:23):
I knew that Susie was going to be there.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
I mean we hadn't talked in a long long time,
but we did touch base about, you know, Paradise once
you know, I got the call and I was talking
to producers and obviously my biggest anxiety and stressor was like, like,
you know, they were pretty they were very transparent about like, hey,
we reached out to Susie as well, and I'd imagine
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they did the same with her.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
So I was appreciative of that.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
You know, it's not something I would want to be
blindsided with, Like, you know, it's already tough enough to
do something like this with your ex. But you know,
we had a conversation and it was really along the
lines of.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Like, hey, let's call it what it like.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
This will be really awkward and tough, and if anything
is going to be sad, like, we're not going to
be those exes where things get messy and there's any
drama or anything like that. Like, there's always been a
ton of love and respect between us, no matter what
our relationship looks like. And so I kind of had
some comfort in knowing that, and I think I can
say the same for her, knowing that it's not in
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either one of our personalities to like step on the
other's toes or make them look bad or talk bad
about them.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
In interviews or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Right, So it was really kind of a conversation like, hey,
if we're doing this, like, let's just be the coolest
exes that we can possibly be, show each other respect,
and you know, hope for the best for the other person,
and that's really all we can do.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
You're better off hating each other now.
Speaker 7 (17:46):
I'm telling you, dude, it's almost easier when it's like.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
It's tough, Yeah, because when you have that, then you're
you know, you're also you have another person's feelings that
you are now very aware of and worried about. Okay,
So then cutting back to LEXI, now we're on episode two,
and yeah, it's kind of like she's just like I
want to pause the breaks. I want to put the
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brakes on this relationship romantically romantically, and it's like, why
did that go down?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
When it went down, it.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Seemed like she was kind of well aware of the
entire situation.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Yeah, as a viewer watching it, it looks like she
spirals about the Susie stuff before Susie comes down to
the point where she's like, I can't do this, and
then Susie comes down, she gets that reassurance she needs
and then is like, no, I think I can do this.
(18:46):
Was that how it felt like it played out to you?
And was her pumping the brakes a shock to you
when it happened.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
I wouldn't say it was a shock.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
It definitely caught me by some but it all sort
of tracked from things that I was picking up over
the course of the prior x amount of days that
I had known her. You know, it was very tough
for me to get an accurate read on Lexi for
a multitude of reasons. You know, out the gates, I
knew that she was very uncomfortable in the environment. You know,
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I felt uncomfortable being there for other reasons, but I
know she was very uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
With the cameras.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
You know, she was like, oh, my dad watches this
with his coworkers, like I don't want to kiss on
camera and.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Stuff like that. So like fair, but.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Also that's tough on a dating show, you know, Okay it,
you know, and and and through it all, I just.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Tried my best to have grace and like be gentle
and kind and like help her through it, you know,
and try to be that source of comfort. I'm like, hey,
I know this is awkward and uncomfortable, and then you
throw in the situation with Susie, which I know that
she didn't sign up for, right, So I just tried
to have empathy for her because I understand if roles
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were reversed and I was interested in someone and their
ex was coming and now all of a sudden, I'm
signed up in this potential not even triangle, because you know,
it's not like we're all try you know, it's not
like a dating thing. But I know it's not something
she necessarily signed up for. So I just tried to
be as understanding as possible. But I was treating it
like how even though we had only known each other
for maybe four.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Days at this point.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
I was trying to be as intentional as possible and
treat this like real life dating instead of like a
TV show, which maybe to my detriment, I don't know,
but you know, I tried to do what I could
to step in and give her reassurance and show up
for her without kind of overstepping or doing too much.
And I know, again, you know, because of the heat,
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you know, I know that she had to like go
to her room a lot, but then there's other times
where it felt kind of cold, where I'm like, is
she just not into me?
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Or is she looking for other guys?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Like?
Speaker 5 (20:58):
And without that communication, it was hard for me to know,
and so eventually I did bring it up, but I
think it was after this conversation.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
So all those things that I was kind of making
note of.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
And like kind of side comments about maybe waiting for
other guys to come, they were all kind of adding
up where it didn't come out of nowhere to me,
but it still caught me by surprise, like all right, like,
I guess, you know this is this is weird, but
I understand where you're coming from.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
I think the.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
More difficult part of that conversation for me was, you know,
I understand the trepidation as it relates to Susie coming in.
But to your point, Serena like, it then became about, well,
I know you're in La trying to grow your business,
and I'm in Atlanta, and I have no clue plans
of moving from Atlanta. I don't know if we want
the same things out of life. And so I was
kind of like, hey, your feelings are valid. I get it,
(21:46):
but to be fair, we haven't had those conversations. You
haven't asked me if I'm open to relocating. You haven't
asked me you know what I want out of you know, family, why,
how many kids?
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Whatever?
Speaker 5 (21:55):
I was like, I want to have those conversations, but
it's hard to build up to those more meaningful conversations
when you're really not around much for us to like
have those small special moments to get more comfortable with
each other, you know. And and that's where she she did,
you know, I give a credit. She was like, hey,
like sorry, like I am spiraling right now, like I'm projecting,
you know, I tend to do that, you know, And
so she apologized for and I understood. I'm like, hey,
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like I get it. This is a very high stress environment.
But it did kind of that part kind of caught
me by surprise.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Was there an option for you to pivot? Like, was
there anyone else?
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Like would you were you potentially like maybe I'll go
see us something's there with Alex?
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Was there anyone else on the beach?
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (22:43):
I mean so during that conversation as well, you know,
she made a comment where she was like, I think
that maybe you should talk to other girls. You know,
She's like, maybe I want to talk to other guys.
And I was like, hey, totally. I was like, I'm
not a psychopath. We've known each other for four days,
like you know what I mean. Feel free. But again,
it was it was a bit frustrated.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Because that conversation, that conversation was in there.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I told her.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
I was like, I was like, hey, I trust me.
I was like, you can talk to whoever. And and
in fact, like over the course of those past couple
of days, guys were pulling her and having conversations, but
after every conversation she would come back to me, which
was reassuring to me. And you know, new guys would
come in or you know.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Sam came in.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
I was like, oh, like I could see him taking
you on a date and She's like, oh, dear God,
please know you know. So she would make comments where
I'm like, oh, maybe she's not interested in people.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
I don't know. I thought, you know, I don't know,
But I told her.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
I was like, hey, like I know myself, I'm genuinely
just not interested, not because I'm like latching on to you,
Like I'm genuinely just not interested in anyone else here.
Not to say that if new girls came in that
I wouldn't explore, Like, I'm being realistic and honest with you,
but I also I'm not going to just force myself
to talk to somebody that I know I'm not going
to be interested in.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
I'm not going to waste my.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Time right and there's nobody here that I see a
romantic connection aside from you, So why even divert my
attention and go off? I was like, but that being said,
just let me know what you need from me to
show you that I'm still interested, while also giving you
your space to do whatever you want to do.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, I think that's fair.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Okay, so Susie's down there, you guys end up having
like a heartfelt conversation. She tears up a little bit.
What does that do to your headspace.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
I mean it was definitely sad as predicted, right, Like
it was. On one hand, it was great to see
a familiar face, right, you know, it was kind of
like that best friendship doesn't leave, right, you know, we're
no longer romantically involved, but it's like we still got
our inside jokes.
Speaker 7 (24:46):
It's still it's still me and you, right, like we
know each other so well.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
But again I think we were.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
It was just like a conversation that needed to happen,
to break the ice and just be like, hey, we're
both here.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
It is what it is.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
This is gonna be tough, and so, you know, it
was definitely an emotional conversation, and I think more so
I like was just concerned about her being comfortable. I
know she like it was super awkward when she came in.
You know, I know we both had high hopes for paradise,
and at that point I was like, damn, like, it
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really feels like she's getting the short into the stick already.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Like I knew Pickens were.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Slim, so I'm like, yeah, well even just the way
to feel fair, like the time and way she came
in obviously wasn't Susie's choice, like they sent her in,
but like even just like coming in at night, not
coming in like I think like morning with the date
cards always a little easier because there's no door metam. Okay,
I'm gonna pull a few people. I'm gonna take someone
like you have that structure where it's just kind of
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sent into just like a free night, and I would
imagine that is hard to navigate.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Right, and like everyone's tired, like it's raining. Yeah, yeah,
this is tough.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Like how many nights did it rain? It looked like
it was raining on you guys every night.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
The rain is a problem, like you've.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Read night Like we couldn't. I mean obviously my date
got canceled. All the cocktail parties at my time, like
like there wasn't a single night that wasn't affected by
the rain.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yeah, even in like the intro credits, we see like
some people are dry and some people are in the rain.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Yeah, it was crazy astreaka rains.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
All right, before we jump to the rose ceremony, can
we just quickly touch on you have a conversation with
Lexi what appears to be at the cocktail party kind
of close to the rose ceremony timing wise, where she
says like I know that I wanted to take a
step back romantically, but I talked to Susie. We see
their conversation. Susie reishures for like, nothing's weird, It's all good,
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and she then says to you like, I'm back in,
like I want to keep exploring. I feel way better.
Where's your head at after that conversation.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Well, well, during the conversation, I was like, man, this
sounds great, right, like this is everything I want to hear.
And then I kind of took a step back and
I was like, wait a.
Speaker 8 (27:09):
Minute for Roses tonight, Yeah, I said, so, you know,
once it kind of sank in, I was like, man, okay,
this is you know, and I didn't I think because
of the rain, Like I just didn't have an opportunity
to have a follow up conversation with.
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Her to you know, and I didn't.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
I didn't want to press her or anything like during
that conversation because you know, it all sounded good. But
I do remember kind of being like, okay, just twenty
four hours prior, like you wanted to put a pin
in this and it wasn't even just about this, and
I was like, I understand that you admittedly like spiraled
a bit, but it wasn't that it was just about
the Susie factor, right, It was all the other things
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that got thrown out that were calls for concern on
her end, where I was like, okay, so post this
conversation with Susan that I wasn't there, so I don't
know what transpired, but like, post that conversation, now you
have no hesitation about us, like geographically relationship, like none
of them anymore.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
So that that was kind of like a.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Humh moment for me of like how sudden of a
one eighty it was, you know, and it'd be different
if like I was really feeling like she was also
pursuing me and like something was there. But the whole
time it kind of felt like pulling teeth to get
something from her. And this was like I mean it's
little things, right, like this was the first time that
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she threw a leg up on me or like was
kind of like physical and touchy with me, right, And
I was just like, man, like this is what I want.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
But where has anything like this been this whole time?
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Right?
Speaker 4 (28:47):
You know you think.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
If do you think if that if that had been there,
you wouldn't have done what you did by giving totally
grows totally totally, because that'll because it could be painted
as like, because Susie was going home, you felt so bad.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
No matter what your connection in the house was, you were.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
No no, no no.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
So I mean it was such a split second decision.
But in my brain, I was like, Okay, Well, one hand,
there's this person that I've known for four or five
days that isn't really giving me any rhythm here. I
can't really get a true pulse as to how she
feels about me. This person could really flip flop and
play me tomorrow when new guys come in. Aside from
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that cocktail party conversation, I have no real reason to
believe that she really wants to pursue something with me
long term. Right, So there's a ton of question marks here.
And she did just tell me everything that I've been
wanting to hear, so I could believe it, or I
could listen to my intuition that like is coincidental timing
with this road ceremony. So that's on one hand, and
on this other hand, I have this person that I
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has been my best friend for an entire year, who
has continued to be my best friend through dating her
for over a year, right, who I have so much
love and admiration and respect for, who is one of
the most selfless people that I know, who I feel
I got the short end of the stick and often
does in life when she tries to put herself on
the back burner and do things for other people. And
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I have an opportunity to embody one of the most
admirable characteristics that I know she has that I strive
to have, right, And I could give her this opportunity
to ultimately self sacrifice and give her a chance at
life because I don't think she got a fair one.
You know, Jeremy's the only guy that pulled her like
I felt so bad, and so I weighed those things out,
(30:36):
and that's ultimately what led to my decision was like, Hey,
I can help this person out or I can take
the risk with these question.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Marks that I have.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Right, And there had to have been also that question
with Lexi of Okay, if I give my ros Lexi,
we both stay, Susie stays two. We're all on this
beach together. Is this going to be? You know, a
never ending?
Speaker 7 (30:55):
Is shoe like for yeah, exactly. And here's the thing,
like if and I was willing to see that through.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
Like had Jeremy given his rose to Susie, you know,
obviously I would give my rose to Lexi and pray
for the best that you know, and take her at
her word that it would no longer be an issue
and that we could all coexist.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
But obviously that's not what happened.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
So you make the decision to offer Susie your rose.
Were you surprised by her reaction?
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Yes, that was very surprised.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Yeah, you look surprised, and she looked surprised, and everyone
looks surprised.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
M Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
I think it was a big surprise to all parties
involved and not involved.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Why do you think that she said no to your rose?
Speaker 5 (31:52):
You know, initially I had no clue because I thought
that it was clear as they to me, like where
my intentions were and what I was trying to do
by offering that up.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
So I was.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Really really taken aback, and I remember just like I
kind of blacked out, like I just felt numb after
that and just wanted to like escape, like I just
wanted to disappear. It was just such a hard feeling
to describe. But you know, thinking back on it later
(32:28):
that night, you know my feelings aside again just knowing
Susie's heart and who she is, I was like, man,
because I wasn't able to have a conversation with her beforehand, right,
and I wasn't able to like tell.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Her what I wanted to try to do for her.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
So this I have to put myself in her shoes, like, oh,
she's probably expecting me to give this rose to Lexi, right,
And so if I know Susie, of course, like here
I am trying to do something selfless for someone who
is selfless, And what would this selfless thing be for
her to do? Not accept the rose because she wouldn't
want to step on Lexi's toes? Yeah right, she wouldn't
want to take a rose for somebody, from somebody that
(33:11):
she feels like deserved it, right, because she doesn't really
know the ins and outs of you know, I told
her a little bit about what my concerns were, but
she doesn't know the ins and outs of you know,
the relationship with myself and Lexi. So when I thought
back on I was like, oh, she's probably just doesn't
want to step on her toes?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
So yeah, was there any part of that It doesn't
come across this way, but was there any part of
that move that was potentially like, hey, maybe we could
see if we could rekindle.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
No, because I mean I hadn't thought too too far ahead,
but I knew that the next week.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Guys were coming in.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
So I'm looking around and I'm like, They're like, there's
if do the math. There's no girls, right, And so
I didn't know exactly what I was gonna do, but
I knew I wasn't gonna like twittle my thumbs for
the next two or three days whenever the next row
ceremony was. So I was, like, I said, self sacrifice.
I was gonna send myself home. I wasn't just hang
around the beach like I was getting get out of there.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Yeah. What was it like seeing Laxi at the premiere
party for Bachelor and Paradise the other night? Where do
I stand now?
Speaker 5 (34:20):
I mean post show, I have tried to reach out
to her twice I have not gotten a response back.
So there were no one. There were no words spoken
at the premiere bar.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Wow, okay, the silent treatment. Do you think that she
was standing up there expecting you to be giving her
the rose totally.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
And you know, again, like I I feel bad for
how that all went down. I mean, I stand by
the choice that I made, Like I don't have any
regrets about it, but I do feel bad, and I
do wish that we could have had a conversation beforehand.
We just we weren't allowed to write because at that point,
I really would have been like, Hey, here are my concerns.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Like the conversation that we.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Just had earlier tonight sounds great, It's everything that I've
wanted to hear, but and I would have pressed a
little bit more, right, But I didn't have the opportunity
to do that, So nobody saw coming what I pulled, right,
And so you know, post show, there's a lot of
things that I knew were confusing to her that she
didn't understand, and I wanted to have the opportunity to
(35:30):
kind of fill her in or what led up to
that decision and kind of tell her, you know, what
my concerns were. And I had also heard some things
post show that confirmed my intuition and some suspicions that
I had, and so I kind of wanted to just
put it out there, like, Hey, this is what I
was feeling during the show. This is also what I've heard.
These are all the things that led me to the
decision that I made. And just you know, I have
(35:52):
that dialogue. But you know, I totally understand not wanting
to have that conversation.
Speaker 7 (35:58):
I guess, like I respect that from her, but I tried.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
I think like if if she would have told you
to have that conversation at breakfast and you guys end
up having a great day together and then you give
the rose to Susie, I'd be like, Okay, that's you
didn't have to do that. At the cocktail party, before
the rose ceremony, you have that conversation for like the
(36:27):
first time. It's kind of like, yeah, it would be
very hard for me to not think, like you do
you just want the rose?
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Right, And that's what I'm saying, Like, you know, all day,
I'm you know, I'm looking for something and you know,
I don't remember if it was that day or the
day prior. But you know, as I said earlier, I
was doing all these little things to try to really
pursue this person as I would in the real world. Right,
Like I know, she has a lot of dietary restrictions,
and so I would run around the resort and you know,
(36:57):
talk to the people taking orders and try to make
sure her stuff was like and free. And when she
was having health issues, you know, I would try to
step in where I could without overstepping of like can
I get you anything? Should we go in the pool
so it's a little bit cooler on your body, like
all these little things. And you know, eventually I was like, okay,
let me take a step back because I don't want
to be doing too much here if I don't feel
it being reciprocated, even in the slightest.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
So I kind of remember taking.
Speaker 5 (37:19):
A step back to see how she would kind of
maneuver throughout you know, the cast or whatever. And that's
the least we talked that day, was like the least
we had talked the entire time. So I'm like, all right,
you know, and Joe, to your point, it's like if
we had had that conversation earlier in the day and
then the rest of the day, I'm like, okay, so
I believe this, you know, we're making strides here, then
(37:40):
I'm sure I would have made a different decision.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
But at the eleventh hour.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
It's really hard to buy it and like go all
in on this person when someone else is sitting across
from me that you know I really still care about.
But I'm like, hey, get a fair shot at this.
You know, I was able to you know, I was
able to come into paradise without having you there and
you know, try to pursue somebody and like that's an
opportunity that I went for her.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah yeah, and like it's not like it's really not
working out for you, so why not give it to
somebody that you actually cared about.
Speaker 4 (38:12):
I get it exactly.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
It was wild. You are such a comedic, lighthearted, like
vibrant person to see you on this season from what
we've seen so far, like we really are seeing a
more serious side of you because you were just put
in a much more serious situation.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Yeah. Trust me, I'd love to be having more fun.
I'd love to be cracking jokes.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Justin We really appreciate you coming on. I love talking
to you and wish you nothing but the best.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Appreciate you guys. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Of course, And to our listeners, make sure you download
and subscribe to Badchelor Happy Hour.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
We will have new and exclusive interviews every single week,
so keep tuning in to about Storm Paradise and don't
get to subscribe. Thanks for listening. Bye,
Hosts And Creators
Joe Amabile
Susan Noles
Serena Pitt
Kathy Swarts
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