December 4, 2023 • 23 mins
Leslie sits down with Joe and Serena to talk about her breakup with Gerry and everything that went down at After the Finale Rose. She opens up about how she wishes Gerry would have handled things differently in Costa Rica, why she was so blindsided when he returned to her room the night of the breakup and what she wishes she would have told him when they reunited on stage.
Plus, did her talk with Gerry give her the closure she needed? And what exactly did Gerry tell her that made her feel so confident after their night in the Fantasy Suite? Listen now to find out!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, everyone, welcome back to Better Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm Joe and I'm Serena, and we have a big
interview for you right now.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
We have Leslie in the studio. Leslie, how you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I'm good, I'm okay.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
It's nice, so nice to have you here. I'm so
happy we get to do this in person. You look lovely.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Thank you And yeah, I guess it was a rough,
a rough journey for you to say, at least it was.
Let's start, I guess, like the biggest question that I've
been seeing and a lot of I think a lot
of people want to know. Let's just start with the
fantasy suite night. We'll start with that date Porsche, because
(00:44):
we us watching that date and Serena, I'm sure you
could agree, Like we watched it were like, okay, it's
gonna be Leslie.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
But I think we can all agree that wasn't just
from like putting pieces together. There were things being said
that were very clear and direct that probably led you
to believe, that led the viewers to believe, right totally.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Yeah, so I guess, yeah, you want to explain, just
to explain that that date portion first, like how how
everything went and how you really felt and were you
also aware like that he could.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Be saying these same things to Teresa.
Speaker 6 (01:24):
So the afternoon date, of course, scaling down the waterfall
was scary, and you know, it was great at the
same time. Obviously, we had a wonderful time together and
we bonded, and I really felt even more for Gary
because he had my back, although he could have taken
(01:44):
the waterfall side. But that's a point not.
Speaker 7 (01:46):
Wait, I can't let you keep going. Because we said that.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
I was like, this poor woman is like so scared
and she's also getting whacked in the face.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Now that it was bad.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
And then he actually said when we got down, I
should have been on that side. I'm like, get thank.
Speaker 7 (02:05):
Yeah, you had my back.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
Kinda but no. But besides that, we had a wonderful time.
We you know, we felt I felt like we got closer.
And then we had our dinner and he you know,
kind of squashed my fears in Gary fashion and told
me everything was going to be okay, and you know
(02:28):
all that stuff, and we had fun. We just laughed
a lot together. So for me that was really important
because I love to laugh and I love to make
people laugh. So I was really we just were in
sync that way, and and then I said.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
This last night.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
Everybody knows what he said on camera, but it was
off camera in our overnight that only him and I
know what was said. And you know, I don't want
to say everything he said, but it was one hundred
percent certainty, and I woke up the next morning that
I was going to be it.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Well, so I guess like it came out that Teresa
said that he basically proposed to her.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I didn't see that last night.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Okay, so I mean, essentially, did he do that with you?
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Propose to me? He made plans with me for future, He.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Said, he plans with you for the future.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Kind of like saved the date. This is what we're
going to do.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
I can't wait for us two more days, you know,
we'll be done with this, be together, start our life.
Did he say will you marry me? In there?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
No, but he all but said that.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
I mean, I would have been happy with just I
love you, but he took it to a different level.
And when he woke up, we woke up the next
morning and he left. He turned around three times and
bloomy kisses. He didn't want to leave. That's why I
wasn't worried that he was going on a day. I
was just knew that he had to get through the
motions of it, and I mean I was one hundred
(04:15):
percent then I was it. And I mean he didn't
lead me. He didn't say I have such a hard
decision to make. I don't you know, nothing like that.
So I just didn't.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Yeah, because what we saw a lot of was him
saying multiple times with the season, like you're my girl
or I think you're the one.
Speaker 7 (04:37):
That sounds like going into the fantasy suites.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
The relationship and the commitment to one another was taken
even further than that. Yes, how did that feel? You know,
you're off camera, You don't really know what's going to happen.
You go on the Facebook, you or what he's going
to say. You don't know what the conversation is going
to be like. For all you know, you're gonna go
and he's going to be you know, say what you said, like,
I have a really tough decision to make. How did
that feel for you being in there hearing all of
these things? It must have been such a relief.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Well it was a relief.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
I was excited, and I mean we literally were so
comfortable with each other the minute we got in there
in the door closed, we brushed our teeth together. I mean,
it wasn't like, what are we doing now? You know,
we talked for hours, and you know, there was so
much I wanted to tell him about me and he
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wanted to tell me about him, and so it was great.
I mean I felt closer to him, like this is it,
and so it was really nice because I thought, Okay,
that's why I went and picked out this dress, and
why I wrote our vowels or my vows and because
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I was one hundred percent certain. And there was things
he said to me in the overnight that alluded to
his overnight with Teresa's not going to be the same.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Yeah, I was going to ask you, so you knew
that Theresa was going next? After feeling pretty confident, was
there a part of you that was still like, okay,
but Teresa hasn't had this time. Maybe something happens in
there where then he leans her way.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
You know, Joe, I really didn't. And I said last night,
I don't go through life going I got this. I
got this, you know, I go through life going I
might have it, and when I get it, I'll say
I got it, you know, or basically I just cautiously optimistic.
I'm never getting ahead of myself. I don't assume, and
I never assumed this whole journey. I was just like,
(06:43):
I'm going to stay in my lane. I'm gonna just
focus on what I have with Gary. I don't want
to hear the chatter. I don't want to you know,
all that stuff. And yeah, so I kind of left
that morning.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Confident.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Good.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
So let's what I'm gonna give you a hypothetical here.
Let's say you're the Golden Bachelorette and it's down the
Fantasy sweet Nights. You're basically in love with two men.
How do you handle it differently?
Speaker 6 (07:16):
I for sure would never tell anyone I love them
until I'm on that platform with them and I know it.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I just wouldn't do that.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
How About how about when they I agree with you
and I feel like that's what I would do as well.
But if they say to you I love you and
you feel that, do you do you think you can
hold that back?
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Yeah? Okay, because I just don't want to hurt. I
would never want to hurt anyone the way I was
hurt or blindsided or I can't. I mean, my heart
is precious to me and I'm just not going to
give it to anybody. And when you say I love
you to somebody, it means something.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yeah, And.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
I just I just don't throw that word around. I
haven't said it in a really long time to someone,
so it was it meant something to me to say
it to Gary, and I just I know it would
be hard.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I'm sure it's hard when.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
You do you maybe do love two different people or
three different people, But I just wouldn't say it. I
would just show my affection in a different way totally.
Did you know he was saying it to multiple people
or did you consider maybe he was. I knew he
had said it to Faith because he told me, okay,
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but I did not know that he said it to Teresa.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Before Fantasy Suites. Would and let's say it ended with
him going with Teresa before Fantasy Suites.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Would you still feel like.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
You were blindsided or do you think you were blindsided
after Fantasy because of what went down? Because of what
went down in Fantasy Sweets? Is that why you feel
like you were blindsided? Yes, okay, I just want to
I just didn't know if it was basically, you know,
leading up the entire.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Season, right, No, okay, that was kind of the pivotal moment. Yeah, okay,
So after Fantasy Sweets, we meet the family.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah, how does that go?
Speaker 6 (09:26):
So I walk up. Gary's hugging me. I made a joke.
He laughed. He says, you know, are you ready? And
I'm like ready.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I walked in.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
We had the best time. We were dancing and we
were laughing, and you know, I his granddaughters were so
sweet and they just cried with me and laughed with me,
and we just had a great time. And so walking
out of that I felt so good. And then we
sit on that bench just say goodbye, and all of
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a sudden, like my walls came down and his wall
went up. But I have no idea how that happened,
from being in with his family to being on that bench.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
It was after his family when you guys sat on
that bench.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yeah, ok yeah, no, because I remember because he was like,
are you ready to go?
Speaker 7 (10:18):
And he definitely had.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
More of a closed off energy to him, and You're like, well,
I'm never ready to go.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
I think I'm a big believer.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
In women's intuition. I believe It's very strong if you
listen to it. And I'm a big believer, you know,
hindsight's twenty twenty. Looking back, do you like living in
that moment? You know? I know you said like he
was exhausted, right, But looking back, do you see that
moment differently?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well?
Speaker 6 (10:43):
Yes, of course, because I was justifying his exhaustion for
his wall. Although he was tired throughout the process, we
all were, and he never acted like that. So I
just didn't understand the disconnect and the flip, and in
my head I was justifying it, right, you know. But yes,
(11:03):
when I watched it back last night, yeah, he was.
It was very and then give me a hug. I
mean we kissed goodbye, you know, and then I don't know,
it was just his mind was already made up.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, see, I felt that way.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
The crazy thing is I felt that way when I
first watched his date with Teresa when they were on
the horses, it seemed like he had made up his
mind was choosing you, I know.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So yeah, yeah, that's heat.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, it was like the Gary we saw with Teresa
on the horses was the same Gary we saw with
Leslie yes on the bench after the home Dwes.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Do you think do you think it was you up
until he had his fantasy sweet time with Teresa?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I do.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
Yeah, I didn't see last night's sex segment with Teresa
and Gary.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I didn't see it at all. I'll watch it when
I get home.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
But will you watch it? Do you want to watch it?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Maybe not? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
I mean, I feel like I didn't get a ton
of closure with him, you know, but that's okay.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I felt like I closed it with myself.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, let's let's let's go there. So let's go to Yeah,
you see, So.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
What about going into it?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Because I think everyone goes into those final conversations looking
for that closure, right, yeah, that piece? What do you
what were you hoping for to get that closure?
Speaker 7 (12:26):
What were you hoping for from him?
Speaker 6 (12:28):
Well, you know, it's my first rodeo, so I and
I've watched the show since conception. Just is the reason
why I've watched the show since conception. But you don't
really get a lot of closure. What can they say?
They had to make a choice. It's his journey, his choice.
(12:49):
But he could have chosen not to say those things
to me. That's all I he said. He wasn't ready,
as you know, his heart wasn't ready or something like
that kind of glazing over at that point. But I
you know, I didn't get closure from him, and I
don't know if anything he would have said would have
(13:10):
really given me closure. He said I decided or something
about choosing Teresa over me, and I thought that was
all harsh, like he could have maybe said that a
little bit nicer, you know, especially because being chosen is
kind of my my little Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
I felt a little like a business like, yeah, yeah,
like you were almost being fireds Yeah.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
And I felt that way too, But I don't know, Gary,
I feel like he switched. And you know, I guess
the only thing I would have liked to I forgot,
or didn't forget. I should have said, I thought you're
a man of integrity instead of you're a man of integrity,
because at the end of the day, he didn't really
(14:00):
have the integrity that I thought he had, you know,
I mean, listen, I know I signed what I signed
up for.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
You know that someone has.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
To go, someone has to be heartbroken, totally.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
I get that. I just I haven't I didn't expect
it to be so hard.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Yeah, yes, we've talked about you know, your date, your time,
your overnight meeting, the family.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, next we got to talk about the breakup.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
So you have this night day and your your intuition
is like I feel like getting stronger as this day
goes on, because you're like, now you're like, what is
going on here? Tell us about that conversation, the first
one with him?
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Yes, well, you know, I just I could tell the
minute he walked in. But I was like, again, no,
he's tired.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Which for anyone that's been on the show, like it
is really tiring.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
So and it's.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Easy could see how you you would use that as
an excuse, because yeah, it's an easy It's true.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Probably any probably is tired.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Well, he didn't have a day in between us, which
is tired, because I know how I felt, and I
can't I mean like I can't imagine him doing again
the whole day. And you know, he's a little older,
even though he has a lot of energy, but it's tiring,
it's mentally tiring and all that. So I just kept
(15:28):
talking it up for that and you know, I gave
him a photo album and then I said in all
these pages are for our future.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And he was just off there.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
Yeah, even though he goes, oh, you know, and when
I told him, you know that I loved him or something,
he said, that's such a sweet sentiment. I'm like, you know,
I could feel the tears welling up.
Speaker 7 (15:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Now, after everything, do you do you respect him?
Speaker 6 (16:00):
I mean, Gary is he did what he did, it's
his journey. Do I respect him? I just wish he
would have done it different. I don't respect what he did.
I mean it's started with faith, you know, and then
me a little more because I went to Costa Rica
and did all that. So I feel like he just
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used I love you too much? And do I respect him?
That's such a hard question because I want to say
I do you know? But it's hard.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
Yeah, you're hurt.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Yeah me, how.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
You know, after seeing everything, how heavier children reacted, how
do they feel about that?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
My kids, Now, you're gonna make me cry.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
My kids are literally the most supportive children I've ever
seen in my life. I mean, there's a lot of
things I didn't do right in this world, but those
three things.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
Your kids seem really great.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
They're me really close.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
I mean, they're my best friends. And if you ask
either all three of them who's your best friend? They're
all going to say me, And even my grandson who's ten,
says I'm his best friend. So Sophia Jerry's on on.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
She'll get she'll get there one, she'll come around with grandma.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
But they are They have been so supportive of me
since day one. I mean, it was my daughter who
actually came up with the Golden Bachelor before anyone, because
years ago, before COVID, years ago, we're sitting on my
couch watching I don't even know what season it was,
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but we were watching it and she's like, Mom, you'd
be so good on this show. I'm like, they're twenty five, Chloe.
She goes, no, but maybe they should do one for
older people, and I said, so people really want to
see old people kissing in a hot tub.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
And then I was kissing hot So we laugh.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
About that all the time because she just turned to
me one day and said they should do this for
older people. And it's funny because I do get a
lot of young people coming up to me all the
time saying you made growing old not so scary and yeah,
you're an inspiration. So yeah, it's been.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
How was it for them to see you get heartbroken.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
That was hard. I mean, Zach was with me where
he was at the show last night. Chloe called me
crying and Eli texted me the most beautiful He's just
he's like an orator, like he's his words are amazing.
And he texted me the most beautiful message that I
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cry when you cry. My heartbreaks when your heart breaks.
I mean it was just like yeah, yeah, And then
his fiancee text me to go. This was really hard
for Eli to watch. I mean, he is a mess
right now. So because they it is tough. I mean
they've seen me, you know, be a fighter their whole
(19:16):
life and and try and try with their dad and
try with everything, and they just know that. They always
say your love is for You're gonna find it. You're
going to find it. And then I go, you know,
I get on the show. Employe's like, go get your man, mom,
be open hearted, you know, And and I did.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I did that.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, you were phone. There's nothing to be ashamed about.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
You read anything.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
You know. I don't really regret anything because I'm so
glad I did it. I made lifelong friends with the girls,
so yeah, I just I don't regret a single minute
of it. You know, I don't if I would have
done anything different, I don't because I was me and
doing something different would have not been me, So I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Do you do you think.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Being a fan of the show and watching it for
so long, do you think that gave you any edge
going into it?
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Hmm, that's a good question.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I feel like I mean, Faith's never seen the show.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
Yes, And when we talked to Faith.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Whenever we talk to people that haven't watched the show,
a lot of the time they say I wish I
had or I wish I'd watched a season.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
You know, just didn't know what I was getting there.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Because she was like, what's happening now? Wait, what's going on?
What's the person impression world?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Well, you know, and it was funny.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
It's so funny too, because Dowton and Charity Dowton didn't
watch the show, and he was like, I didn't even
know there was a proposal at the end until like halfway.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Through, which so sometimes it works out, but.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
I think a lot of the time there is I
just think it's good to know what you're getting yourself.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Yeah, too, well, definitely, I'm like Faith, they should have
done a little homework, you know, but but I you know,
I think I I knew what was happening. I was,
you know, but when you're in it sometimes you don't
realize the cameras are hidden in the thing you don't like.
You forget, you know, forget your mic. Do you forget?
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You know, it's different watching versus doing it exactly. Should
I have maybe done my hair that day?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Maybe? But you know, I kind of got lazy and whatever.
I was just me.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
It's a long time to film. I got.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
I stopped wearing I was wearing sweatpants every day. But
you make up by the thank you because.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Everyone's like your hair, what's wrong with your hair? Like
it's curly, beautiful.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I pecked a carry on for Paradise. I think that's all.
That's literally all I brought.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Do you think you think if you would have met
Gary at let's just say, a restaurant in Minnesota, do
you think you would.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Have hit it off? I do?
Speaker 6 (21:51):
I mean his I do because his humor is he
is funny.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
He made your favorite part of this was that one
joke that he made the tell.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
Yeah, I mean he did say funny stupid dad jokes sometimes,
but he he made me laugh. And what I loved
most that I made him laugh And he didn't judge
me for anything I say, he just he kind of
got my humor and that made me try to be
even more funny. And we just had fun. We laughed
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a lot, and that's a big part of my life,
you know. I I come from a funny family. I've
laughed my whole life. We all laughed together, and so
that's a huge part of my mate.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Well, I think even though it didn't work out between
the two of you, there was chemistry undeniably.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
So we did.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Yeah. Yeah, did you know when he walked back into
your room that night that he was the breakup was happening,
you felt it?
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Yeah, well I knew what he's doing because well, I
don't know how much how much I should say?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, Well, let's well, how about this.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
We'll get into more of it for part two, So everyone,
please uh stay tuned because well we will be back
for part two with Leslie and yeah, thank you for
tuning into happ y'all, and don't forget to subscribe.
Hey, everyone, welcome back to Better Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'm Joe and I'm Serena, and we have a big
interview for you right now.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
We have Leslie in the studio. Leslie, how you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I'm good, I'm okay.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
It's nice, so nice to have you here. I'm so
happy we get to do this in person. You look lovely.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Thank you And yeah, I guess it was a rough,
a rough journey for you to say, at least it was.
Let's start, I guess, like the biggest question that I've
been seeing and a lot of I think a lot
of people want to know. Let's just start with the
fantasy suite night. We'll start with that date Porsche, because
(00:44):
we us watching that date and Serena, I'm sure you
could agree, Like we watched it were like, okay, it's
gonna be Leslie.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
But I think we can all agree that wasn't just
from like putting pieces together. There were things being said
that were very clear and direct that probably led you
to believe, that led the viewers to believe, right totally.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Yeah, so I guess, yeah, you want to explain, just
to explain that that date portion first, like how how
everything went and how you really felt and were you
also aware like that he could.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Be saying these same things to Teresa.
Speaker 6 (01:24):
So the afternoon date, of course, scaling down the waterfall
was scary, and you know, it was great at the
same time. Obviously, we had a wonderful time together and
we bonded, and I really felt even more for Gary
because he had my back, although he could have taken
(01:44):
the waterfall side. But that's a point not.
Speaker 7 (01:46):
Wait, I can't let you keep going. Because we said that.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
I was like, this poor woman is like so scared
and she's also getting whacked in the face.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Now that it was bad.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
And then he actually said when we got down, I
should have been on that side. I'm like, get thank.
Speaker 7 (02:05):
Yeah, you had my back.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
Kinda but no. But besides that, we had a wonderful time.
We you know, we felt I felt like we got closer.
And then we had our dinner and he you know,
kind of squashed my fears in Gary fashion and told
me everything was going to be okay, and you know
(02:28):
all that stuff, and we had fun. We just laughed
a lot together. So for me that was really important
because I love to laugh and I love to make
people laugh. So I was really we just were in
sync that way, and and then I said.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
This last night.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
Everybody knows what he said on camera, but it was
off camera in our overnight that only him and I
know what was said. And you know, I don't want
to say everything he said, but it was one hundred
percent certainty, and I woke up the next morning that
I was going to be it.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Well, so I guess like it came out that Teresa
said that he basically proposed to her.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
I didn't see that last night.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Okay, so I mean, essentially, did he do that with you?
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Propose to me? He made plans with me for future, He.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Said, he plans with you for the future.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
Kind of like saved the date. This is what we're
going to do.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
I can't wait for us two more days, you know,
we'll be done with this, be together, start our life.
Did he say will you marry me? In there?
Speaker 3 (03:45):
No, but he all but said that.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
I mean, I would have been happy with just I
love you, but he took it to a different level.
And when he woke up, we woke up the next
morning and he left. He turned around three times and
bloomy kisses. He didn't want to leave. That's why I
wasn't worried that he was going on a day. I
was just knew that he had to get through the
motions of it, and I mean I was one hundred
(04:15):
percent then I was it. And I mean he didn't
lead me. He didn't say I have such a hard
decision to make. I don't you know, nothing like that.
So I just didn't.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
Yeah, because what we saw a lot of was him
saying multiple times with the season, like you're my girl
or I think you're the one.
Speaker 7 (04:37):
That sounds like going into the fantasy suites.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
The relationship and the commitment to one another was taken
even further than that. Yes, how did that feel? You know,
you're off camera, You don't really know what's going to happen.
You go on the Facebook, you or what he's going
to say. You don't know what the conversation is going
to be like. For all you know, you're gonna go
and he's going to be you know, say what you said, like,
I have a really tough decision to make. How did
that feel for you being in there hearing all of
these things? It must have been such a relief.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Well it was a relief.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
I was excited, and I mean we literally were so
comfortable with each other the minute we got in there
in the door closed, we brushed our teeth together. I mean,
it wasn't like, what are we doing now? You know,
we talked for hours, and you know, there was so
much I wanted to tell him about me and he
(05:24):
wanted to tell me about him, and so it was great.
I mean I felt closer to him, like this is it,
and so it was really nice because I thought, Okay,
that's why I went and picked out this dress, and
why I wrote our vowels or my vows and because
(05:47):
I was one hundred percent certain. And there was things
he said to me in the overnight that alluded to
his overnight with Teresa's not going to be the same.
Speaker 5 (05:59):
Yeah, I was going to ask you, so you knew
that Theresa was going next? After feeling pretty confident, was
there a part of you that was still like, okay,
but Teresa hasn't had this time. Maybe something happens in
there where then he leans her way.
Speaker 6 (06:21):
You know, Joe, I really didn't. And I said last night,
I don't go through life going I got this. I
got this, you know, I go through life going I
might have it, and when I get it, I'll say
I got it, you know, or basically I just cautiously optimistic.
I'm never getting ahead of myself. I don't assume, and
I never assumed this whole journey. I was just like,
(06:43):
I'm going to stay in my lane. I'm gonna just
focus on what I have with Gary. I don't want
to hear the chatter. I don't want to you know,
all that stuff. And yeah, so I kind of left
that morning.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Confident.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Good.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
So let's what I'm gonna give you a hypothetical here.
Let's say you're the Golden Bachelorette and it's down the
Fantasy sweet Nights. You're basically in love with two men.
How do you handle it differently?
Speaker 6 (07:16):
I for sure would never tell anyone I love them
until I'm on that platform with them and I know it.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
I just wouldn't do that.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
How About how about when they I agree with you
and I feel like that's what I would do as well.
But if they say to you I love you and
you feel that, do you do you think you can
hold that back?
Speaker 6 (07:40):
Yeah? Okay, because I just don't want to hurt. I
would never want to hurt anyone the way I was
hurt or blindsided or I can't. I mean, my heart
is precious to me and I'm just not going to
give it to anybody. And when you say I love
you to somebody, it means something.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yeah, And.
Speaker 6 (08:03):
I just I just don't throw that word around. I
haven't said it in a really long time to someone,
so it was it meant something to me to say
it to Gary, and I just I know it would
be hard.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
I'm sure it's hard when.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
You do you maybe do love two different people or
three different people, But I just wouldn't say it. I
would just show my affection in a different way totally.
Did you know he was saying it to multiple people
or did you consider maybe he was. I knew he
had said it to Faith because he told me, okay,
(08:38):
but I did not know that he said it to Teresa.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Before Fantasy Suites. Would and let's say it ended with
him going with Teresa before Fantasy Suites.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Would you still feel like.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
You were blindsided or do you think you were blindsided
after Fantasy because of what went down? Because of what
went down in Fantasy Sweets? Is that why you feel
like you were blindsided? Yes, okay, I just want to
I just didn't know if it was basically, you know,
leading up the entire.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Season, right, No, okay, that was kind of the pivotal moment. Yeah, okay,
So after Fantasy Sweets, we meet the family.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah, how does that go?
Speaker 6 (09:26):
So I walk up. Gary's hugging me. I made a joke.
He laughed. He says, you know, are you ready? And
I'm like ready.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I walked in.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
We had the best time. We were dancing and we
were laughing, and you know, I his granddaughters were so
sweet and they just cried with me and laughed with me,
and we just had a great time. And so walking
out of that I felt so good. And then we
sit on that bench just say goodbye, and all of
(09:59):
a sudden, like my walls came down and his wall
went up. But I have no idea how that happened,
from being in with his family to being on that bench.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
It was after his family when you guys sat on
that bench.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yeah, ok yeah, no, because I remember because he was like,
are you ready to go?
Speaker 7 (10:18):
And he definitely had.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
More of a closed off energy to him, and You're like, well,
I'm never ready to go.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (10:24):
I think I'm a big believer.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
In women's intuition. I believe It's very strong if you
listen to it. And I'm a big believer, you know,
hindsight's twenty twenty. Looking back, do you like living in
that moment? You know? I know you said like he
was exhausted, right, But looking back, do you see that
moment differently?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well?
Speaker 6 (10:43):
Yes, of course, because I was justifying his exhaustion for
his wall. Although he was tired throughout the process, we
all were, and he never acted like that. So I
just didn't understand the disconnect and the flip, and in
my head I was justifying it, right, you know. But yes,
(11:03):
when I watched it back last night, yeah, he was.
It was very and then give me a hug. I
mean we kissed goodbye, you know, and then I don't know,
it was just his mind was already made up.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, see, I felt that way.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
The crazy thing is I felt that way when I
first watched his date with Teresa when they were on
the horses, it seemed like he had made up his
mind was choosing you, I know.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So yeah, yeah, that's heat.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Yeah, it was like the Gary we saw with Teresa
on the horses was the same Gary we saw with
Leslie yes on the bench after the home Dwes.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Do you think do you think it was you up
until he had his fantasy sweet time with Teresa?
Speaker 3 (11:48):
I do.
Speaker 6 (11:48):
Yeah, I didn't see last night's sex segment with Teresa
and Gary.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I didn't see it at all. I'll watch it when
I get home.
Speaker 7 (11:56):
But will you watch it? Do you want to watch it?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Maybe not? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (12:01):
I mean, I feel like I didn't get a ton
of closure with him, you know, but that's okay.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
I felt like I closed it with myself.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Yeah, let's let's let's go there. So let's go to Yeah,
you see, So.
Speaker 7 (12:15):
What about going into it?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Because I think everyone goes into those final conversations looking
for that closure, right, yeah, that piece? What do you
what were you hoping for to get that closure?
Speaker 7 (12:26):
What were you hoping for from him?
Speaker 6 (12:28):
Well, you know, it's my first rodeo, so I and
I've watched the show since conception. Just is the reason
why I've watched the show since conception. But you don't
really get a lot of closure. What can they say?
They had to make a choice. It's his journey, his choice.
(12:49):
But he could have chosen not to say those things
to me. That's all I he said. He wasn't ready,
as you know, his heart wasn't ready or something like
that kind of glazing over at that point. But I
you know, I didn't get closure from him, and I
don't know if anything he would have said would have
(13:10):
really given me closure. He said I decided or something
about choosing Teresa over me, and I thought that was
all harsh, like he could have maybe said that a
little bit nicer, you know, especially because being chosen is
kind of my my little Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:30):
I felt a little like a business like, yeah, yeah,
like you were almost being fireds Yeah.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
And I felt that way too, But I don't know, Gary,
I feel like he switched. And you know, I guess
the only thing I would have liked to I forgot,
or didn't forget. I should have said, I thought you're
a man of integrity instead of you're a man of integrity,
because at the end of the day, he didn't really
(14:00):
have the integrity that I thought he had, you know,
I mean, listen, I know I signed what I signed
up for.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
You know that someone has.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
To go, someone has to be heartbroken, totally.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
I get that. I just I haven't I didn't expect
it to be so hard.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Yeah, yes, we've talked about you know, your date, your time,
your overnight meeting, the family.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Yeah, next we got to talk about the breakup.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
So you have this night day and your your intuition
is like I feel like getting stronger as this day
goes on, because you're like, now you're like, what is
going on here? Tell us about that conversation, the first
one with him?
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Yes, well, you know, I just I could tell the
minute he walked in. But I was like, again, no,
he's tired.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Which for anyone that's been on the show, like it
is really tiring.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
So and it's.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Easy could see how you you would use that as
an excuse, because yeah, it's an easy It's true.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Probably any probably is tired.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
Well, he didn't have a day in between us, which
is tired, because I know how I felt, and I
can't I mean like I can't imagine him doing again
the whole day. And you know, he's a little older,
even though he has a lot of energy, but it's tiring,
it's mentally tiring and all that. So I just kept
(15:28):
talking it up for that and you know, I gave
him a photo album and then I said in all
these pages are for our future.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And he was just off there.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
Yeah, even though he goes, oh, you know, and when
I told him, you know that I loved him or something,
he said, that's such a sweet sentiment. I'm like, you know,
I could feel the tears welling up.
Speaker 7 (15:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
Now, after everything, do you do you respect him?
Speaker 6 (16:00):
I mean, Gary is he did what he did, it's
his journey. Do I respect him? I just wish he
would have done it different. I don't respect what he did.
I mean it's started with faith, you know, and then
me a little more because I went to Costa Rica
and did all that. So I feel like he just
(16:22):
used I love you too much? And do I respect him?
That's such a hard question because I want to say
I do you know? But it's hard.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
Yeah, you're hurt.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Yeah me, how.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
You know, after seeing everything, how heavier children reacted, how
do they feel about that?
Speaker 3 (16:46):
My kids, Now, you're gonna make me cry.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
My kids are literally the most supportive children I've ever
seen in my life. I mean, there's a lot of
things I didn't do right in this world, but those
three things.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
Your kids seem really great.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
They're me really close.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
I mean, they're my best friends. And if you ask
either all three of them who's your best friend? They're
all going to say me, And even my grandson who's ten,
says I'm his best friend. So Sophia Jerry's on on.
Speaker 7 (17:16):
She'll get she'll get there one, she'll come around with grandma.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
But they are They have been so supportive of me
since day one. I mean, it was my daughter who
actually came up with the Golden Bachelor before anyone, because
years ago, before COVID, years ago, we're sitting on my
couch watching I don't even know what season it was,
(17:39):
but we were watching it and she's like, Mom, you'd
be so good on this show. I'm like, they're twenty five, Chloe.
She goes, no, but maybe they should do one for
older people, and I said, so people really want to
see old people kissing in a hot tub.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
And then I was kissing hot So we laugh.
Speaker 6 (18:00):
About that all the time because she just turned to
me one day and said they should do this for
older people. And it's funny because I do get a
lot of young people coming up to me all the
time saying you made growing old not so scary and yeah,
you're an inspiration. So yeah, it's been.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
How was it for them to see you get heartbroken.
Speaker 6 (18:32):
That was hard. I mean, Zach was with me where
he was at the show last night. Chloe called me
crying and Eli texted me the most beautiful He's just
he's like an orator, like he's his words are amazing.
And he texted me the most beautiful message that I
(18:54):
cry when you cry. My heartbreaks when your heart breaks.
I mean it was just like yeah, yeah, And then
his fiancee text me to go. This was really hard
for Eli to watch. I mean, he is a mess
right now. So because they it is tough. I mean
they've seen me, you know, be a fighter their whole
(19:16):
life and and try and try with their dad and
try with everything, and they just know that. They always
say your love is for You're gonna find it. You're
going to find it. And then I go, you know,
I get on the show. Employe's like, go get your man, mom,
be open hearted, you know, And and I did.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I did that.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, you were phone. There's nothing to be ashamed about.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
You read anything.
Speaker 6 (19:44):
You know. I don't really regret anything because I'm so
glad I did it. I made lifelong friends with the girls,
so yeah, I just I don't regret a single minute
of it. You know, I don't if I would have
done anything different, I don't because I was me and
doing something different would have not been me, So I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Do you do you think.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Being a fan of the show and watching it for
so long, do you think that gave you any edge
going into it?
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Hmm, that's a good question.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I feel like I mean, Faith's never seen the show.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
Yes, And when we talked to Faith.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
Whenever we talk to people that haven't watched the show,
a lot of the time they say I wish I
had or I wish I'd watched a season.
Speaker 7 (20:27):
You know, just didn't know what I was getting there.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
Because she was like, what's happening now? Wait, what's going on?
What's the person impression world?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Well, you know, and it was funny.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
It's so funny too, because Dowton and Charity Dowton didn't
watch the show, and he was like, I didn't even
know there was a proposal at the end until like halfway.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Through, which so sometimes it works out, but.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
I think a lot of the time there is I
just think it's good to know what you're getting yourself.
Speaker 6 (20:51):
Yeah, too, well, definitely, I'm like Faith, they should have
done a little homework, you know, but but I you know,
I think I I knew what was happening. I was,
you know, but when you're in it sometimes you don't
realize the cameras are hidden in the thing you don't like.
You forget, you know, forget your mic. Do you forget?
(21:13):
You know, it's different watching versus doing it exactly. Should
I have maybe done my hair that day?
Speaker 3 (21:20):
Maybe? But you know, I kind of got lazy and whatever.
I was just me.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
It's a long time to film. I got.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
I stopped wearing I was wearing sweatpants every day. But
you make up by the thank you because.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Everyone's like your hair, what's wrong with your hair? Like
it's curly, beautiful.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
I pecked a carry on for Paradise. I think that's all.
That's literally all I brought.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
Do you think you think if you would have met
Gary at let's just say, a restaurant in Minnesota, do
you think you would.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Have hit it off? I do?
Speaker 6 (21:51):
I mean his I do because his humor is he
is funny.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
He made your favorite part of this was that one
joke that he made the tell.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
Yeah, I mean he did say funny stupid dad jokes sometimes,
but he he made me laugh. And what I loved
most that I made him laugh And he didn't judge
me for anything I say, he just he kind of
got my humor and that made me try to be
even more funny. And we just had fun. We laughed
(22:26):
a lot, and that's a big part of my life,
you know. I I come from a funny family. I've
laughed my whole life. We all laughed together, and so
that's a huge part of my mate.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Well, I think even though it didn't work out between
the two of you, there was chemistry undeniably.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
So we did.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
Yeah. Yeah, did you know when he walked back into
your room that night that he was the breakup was happening,
you felt it?
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Yeah, well I knew what he's doing because well, I
don't know how much how much I should say?
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, Well, let's well, how about this.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
We'll get into more of it for part two, So everyone,
please uh stay tuned because well we will be back
for part two with Leslie and yeah, thank you for
tuning into happ y'all, and don't forget to subscribe.
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