November 6, 2025 • 28 mins
Today on “Happy Hour,” we’re unpacking last night’s Fantasy Suites episode of “The Golden Bachelor”! Mel is officially down to his final two women and there is a lot to discuss. We kick things off by chatting through Peg’s one-on-one time with Mel: What went down during overnights?! We see Mel blushing and giddy like never before and we think there’s some major chemistry there. Then, we dive into Cindy’s time with Mel and unpack the major cliffhanger we end on. What does this mean for their future? Tune in now to hear our thoughts on this and so much more, and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, everyone, welcome back to bat You're happy, Arma, Joe,
and we're here with another recap. We're in a recap
fantasy suites. Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yeah, they're in Antigua this week, which looks beautiful. I mean,
we haven't traveled all season, so it's kind of nice
to shake it up and get a new location, a
new vibe. And I also just feel like when they
go to these tropical places, everyone's like a little more relaxed,
a little more romantic, So it's a good setting for
fantasy suites.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah. I kind of wish we would start the episode
instead of starting the episode off with Mel Jesse b Roll, Like,
let's actually start it off with the women in Antigua
and see what they're doing. Let's go like have a
little walk. Let's like take a walk around the block
with them, see the sites a little bit, have them
talk about how they're feeling. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I like that idea, and then like.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Cut back, you know, because I'm just like, I don't
need to watch ten minutes of what the fuck went
down this whole season.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Like the long recap.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, I don't need the recap. I don't need the
Jesse Mel talk quite yet. Like, I want to see
these women. I want to see their excitement. I wonder
how they feel.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I like that suggestion.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I feel like even just like Jesse on the beach
with Peg being like, so walk us through your journey, like,
let's do a little ten minute chat. You know, how
are you feeling? What are you looking for this weekend?
I know we get a little bit of that in
their interviews, but I feel like going into depth more
about that is more meaningful to me at this point
than going back and seeing kind of like a montage
of their journey.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
It's like, this season's not that long. I know what
happened week one.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And send the send Peg in Cindy out on a
walk together, let them talk.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Oh juicy.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I love that, Like, let's let's let's talk it out.
How are you guys feeling right now?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah? Fair, I'm into that suggestion.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
We start off with Peg.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
She's the first date of the episode, and they do
a dune buggy date.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
What did you think?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I thought it was fun? And I feel like, you know,
dune buggy dates, we see them every season. Peg is
definitely like an adventurous risk taker. I mean, she was
on the bomb squad, like I feel like she's got
to have a bit of adrenaline junkie in her.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, I I tap out when I see a dune buggy,
I see a helicopter, I see jumping in the ocean
with sting.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Raised about any sort of boat.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I nothing's gonna happen. I'm gonna be like, Okay, this
is monu or like this is a big moment like it.
I was gonna say money, monumental, monumental, but I'm like
that's totally the wrong word. I have more interested. I
have more interest in the dinner night portion. And just
(02:44):
like that conversation opposed to like dune buggy.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Well, in all the seasons, there's been one million dune
buggy dates, and I don't think anything's ever really like
gone down on a dune buggy. Yeah, you know, like
it's a visual cue to me that like they're gonna
ride around. One person's gonna drive slow, one person's gonna
drive fast. They're both gonna talk about that in their interviews,
and then they'll sit down and have a chat and
talk about the done buggy.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah exactly, It's gonna be like in you know pegs,
I'm driving fast, mel drives slow.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So what do you think that that revealed about maybe
their personalities, their relationship, their compatibility.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Nothing really, Yeah, I don't. I don't think that's It
would be different if Peg was like fucking doing three
sixties and flying around and on top and you were like, whoa,
she's an adrenaline junkie like this she is like exports,
like this is what I love. But she's driving a
little fast on a doing buggy. Okay, So it's not
(03:41):
that they're They're not that much different.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Like it's not gonna be a deal breaker that she
likes to drive fast and he needs to drive slow.
So Peg says she's worried that Mal might be emotional
and available because he deflects a lot when she asks
him more personal, in depth questions, which I think is
something we've really seen from him with all the women
all season. I wonder if that's something that they as
(04:08):
a group have talked about, do you know what I mean? Like,
I wonder if the women have earlier on, probably not
later into the journey, been like he kind of deflects
a lot, eh, Like I'm trying to get stuff out
of him and he's not really saying a lot, or
I wonder if they're usually very caught up in the
beginning of being like I want him to get to
know me, that it is just something that they're now
(04:29):
realizing like huh, like I'm not I don't really know him.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, I think it's I think it happens more down
the road with like the women that have spent more
time with them, and then they could start like recapping
the time they spent and like, Okay this he's doing this,
and YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, so the dinner a portion happens, and I will say,
like Mel does give her like such undivided attention, like
he is both on her, locked in on what she's saying,
asking follow up questions. It's more just when like the
tables turn on to him, I feel like he kind
of freezes up.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
But I do feel like he was the.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Most vocal about his feelings that I've seen him this
whole season with PEG, Like, I think his conversation with
Jesse was important. When Jesse was like, you don't have
to say I love you, but you can still say
like I love this about you and this is how
you make me feel. I think it's important that he does,
and I was glad that he did.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I think Mel is the type of guy where if
him and Peg at this point in the show were
off camera and they were having a bottle of wine
and they were relaxing, I think he's gonna talk a
lot about his feelings, his emotions. He's probably thrown out.
(05:53):
I love yous like. I just think Mel is very
aware of the situation he is in and he's not
going to let them. But you, okay, your eyes are
really bugging.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I just yawned, but I tried to hold it in.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I'm like, Jesus, you should swallow coffee. Sorry, So yeah,
that's kind of That's kind of what I think.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
The morning after, Oh my god, I feel like such
a tone switch. I was like, whoa, You guys definitely
got a little freaky last night.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
We saw a different side of mouth. That was the
first time he was giggling.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Oh my gosh, she was blushing. I was like, this
is so cute what happened last night. I feel like
ma was so giddy. He was so relaxed. He's like
in his jeans, laying on the bed, shirtless, like even though,
but I feel like he did say during the Dune
Buggy date, like he was talking about Peg and he
was like, there was definitely like a sexual attraction.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, I was like expressed. Yeah, he was likea like
her sweaty and her hair all over the place. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
He was like, I'm into her. I'm sexual attracted to her.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Like she looks beautiful, she was great, her curly hair,
Like he's definitely attracted to her. And I was like, Okay,
that's important, and I think that's great. I mean she's
beautiful for sure, but I'm always just looking for more
out of Mouse or just hearing that, I was like, okay,
you really like her. And then just seeing how they
were in the morning, I was like, this is the
most relaxed and soft I've seen either Peg or Mouth,
(07:30):
Like they both seem really happy.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I thought it was gonna be Debbie. Yeah, but I
really after Mel's conversation with PEG's daughter and him choosing
Peg was a massive like was the sign of like
I'm really in the back because she was like her daughter,
(07:54):
which like good for her. Was kind of like I
don't know if I fucking trust you. I don't know
if I like what you're saying. Yeah, I'm kind of like,
this is I'm calling bullshit and he didn't like and
he was.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
There was a time to send Peg home if it
wasn't gonna be heard, that would have been the week.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, he would have sent her home.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
He would have been like, this daughter is catching when
that I maybe not that into her mom time to
go Peg. Yeah, So the fact that he kept her
that week is just a show of dedication to her
in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I agree, that's what I think.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
But yeah, it was cute seeing them in the morning. Yeah,
just like I feel like it was. It was all good,
like ten out of ten fantasy suite date. Nothing really
seemed to go wrong. They had like in depth conversations
at night. I think they had a great fantasy suite
whatever that means. And the morning everything's good, like no complaints,
(08:47):
A plus A plus.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
A plus plus makes sense. Why that was shown first,
makes sense.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Why that was shown first.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Definitely not as juicy as Cindy's, even though I would
say Cindy and Peg both went into their dates feeling
kind of the same, Like they both expressed they wanted
to get more out of Mal in terms of how
he's feeling and where he's at. Their goals were the same,
but execution played out differently. So Cindy has the sting
(09:16):
Ray date. I've done this before the Stingrays. Have you
done it?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
No, and never will you never will, have no desire
unless unless somebody's gonna pay me, I'll do it. I
will do it for money. Just let's just throw that
out there in case any any any brand dealers.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Are are affiliated with sting out there.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
You know, I will do it for money, but I
will never do it for fun.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
What about it does not appeal to you?
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I just I just wouldn't want it, Like, I don't know,
nothing appeals to me, Like I don't care to go
underwater with goggles and look at fish.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, you're not really a water adventure guy.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
No, I mean I I enjoyed like surf lessons like
that's yeah, I enjoy like like somewhat of like a
water sport sport workout, but like.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
You don't want to interact with the creatures of the sea.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Zero interaction with them. Yeah, let them let them do
their things.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I did swimming at the Sitting Rays one time.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I don't remember how old. I was not that old.
I want to say I was maybe like ten or eleven.
I am someone that's very comfortable in the water, and
I remember it took me like fifteen twenty minutes like
get in the water because they were like, you have
to keep your feet planted on the ground because if
you don't, they will potentially swim under you, and if you,
(10:39):
like step on one of them, you're gonna potentially anger one.
And as a small child, I was like, well, one
big wave could be a game changer for me and
my feet on the ground versus off the ground.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Well, I thought that, how how I thought that this
was like in the middle of the ocean where yeah,
fucking thirty feet deep? How deep is this?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
No, you could stand?
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Oh I didn't know they could.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
They were.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I wasn't. I was zoned out. Okay, well I tell you,
I told you you know those dates, I cant a
zone out.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Well, you can see Cindy was like super into it.
But I could I sympathize with Mel's hesitation honestly because
those things are big and they're kind of scary and
they look like dinosaurs.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, Like, I don't need to be in the middle
of the ocean. I don't need to be on a
forty foot fucking cliff, Like I don't need I don't
like heights. Nope, I don't need to be in the
middle of the ocean. I don't need to be like,
you know, like Safari. You know I don't, no, thank.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
You, you're a city boy.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Well it's because animals, whether or not we want to
admit this or not, are are unpredictable. Yes, you know,
like I love dogs, but like that's it, Like I
don't need to like be like, oh, let's go look
at the lions, Like, no fucking thank you, because what's
going to happen. Well, if if all of a sudden,
you know, ten of them roll up on you, you're done.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
You're dead, Yeah, probably, and it's.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Not gonna be like a nice death, like it's a
it's awful.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
But these people do this for livy.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I mean you heard the guy say he's been doing
it for twenty five years, know whatever been stung before?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Sure, but they also they also like you're gonna tell me, like,
if if ten of those stingrays get together and they're
like attack, those guys have been doing it forever, are
gonna know how to handle that situation. There's no way
they're gonna freak out too. They're gonna they're gonna run,
They're gonna swim away, and I'm gonna get a thousand
(12:28):
stingrays in me for what So I could have had.
So I had a nice ten minutes underwater looking at him.
I'll watch it on the YouTube.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
You really just said, like your dad when you said
that you can watch YouTube, I will.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Okay, So no stingrays for Joe and Mal Uh, Cindy
and I will take charge of the sting rays. Commend
I commend Mal for giving it a try, and I
commend Cindy for you know, being patient and kind of
trying to ease his nerves and make him as comfortable
as possible. I think that's all you can do in
that situation with your partner, frankly, is do your best
(13:06):
to make them feel comfortable supported. I think it's good
to push your partner a little bit outside their comfort zone.
But I also don't think mel again needs to like
live for swimming at the sting rays for the relationship
to work. So like, if he doesn't want to do it, like,
no shade to him. Like I'm all for people saying
like I know I'm on a show. And I know
this is the date activity that I've been told I
have to do today, but I don't want to do it,
(13:26):
so I'm not going to.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, I mean like if that was you and I,
I would have looked at you before we went in
the water and have been like, just so you know,
I don't want to do this. And since we are
doing this, it's every man from themselves in there, We're
not going to be having conversation like I'm in there.
I'm surviving. I am surviving on my own. I'm in there,
I'm paying attention to what's happening. I'm gonna get back up,
We're gonna get on this boat. It's I'm gonna be
(13:48):
nauseous because we're in the middle of the ocean. And
hopefully we have a good dinner.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeahs have a good dinner. Well, they didn't have a
great dinner. Unfortunately, it seemed like it wasn't a bad dinner,
but it was definitely it was more serious. The tone
of the evening was definitely more serious. We end up
on a cliffhanger mistake.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
What do you mean a mistake?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I think it's a mistake. I think it's I.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Think what do you think is a mistake.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Sid Cidy Sydney's Sidey's Cindy's approach to dinner, in my opinion,
is a mistake. I understand what she's doing, and I
get it, But if she really wanted to be with Mel,
I just think, why not wait till the cameras are
(14:37):
off in the fantasy suites where you could really push
them and actually get a real answer.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, and I mean maybe they'll had to finish suits
and have a more in depth conversation. I have no
problem with Cindy pushing Mel. I don't think that's a problem.
I think at this point she has every right to
do so. And I think that if that's truly her person,
like there's nothing she can say in terms I mean,
obviously she's going about this in like the most considerate,
(15:04):
respectful manner in terms of asking important questions, So like
there is nothing she can say, in my opinion, in
this fashion that is going to like change his mind
about her, push him away from her, if that is
truly the person.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
She's meant to be with.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
So I'm all for her asking the hard questions, but
I do agree with you, like you're this close to
fantasy suites, like, you're right there. If you're gonna get
the most open and honest answers from him, it's going
to be in the fantasy suites. So I think it's
okay to like maybe tee up that conversation, but I
think now is the time to wait until the cameras
(15:42):
are gone, and then if the conversation doesn't go the
way you want, then there you go. But but you're
gonna miss a large portion of the information you could
have gotten by doing this with him on camera, based
on how he has responded on camera in the past.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, And I think his response to me it was
very much like your your second You're you're in second place.
You think, Yeah, that's that's how it reads to me that, Yeah,
I do. I'm picking that up because I just feel
(16:16):
like I feel like if PEG came at him the
same way, there would have been a little more there
would have been a little more like.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Don't forge out, like it's gonna be okay, reassuring yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, yeah, And to me, I feel like he's kind
of like in a way like, yeah, I'm not I'm
not choosing you.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Well, I think they both feel the same, which is
that they're on two separate pages. Like I think that
Mal feels like Cindy is way ahead of him emotionally
and way more comfortable taking a serious step forward in
their relationship. And I think Cindy feels that too. I
think she's like, I'm way ahead of you emotionally and
I'm way more comfortable taking a serious step. So they're
(17:02):
they're just in two different places. I don't feel that
Peg and him are necessarily in two different places. As
much as I think that Peg wants a little bit
more out of him, I think she's looking for less
than Cindya's. Right now, Cindy kind of calls him out
and says, you don't have She says, you don't really
have any questions for me, So like what's holding you back?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
How do you feel about me?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Like I think Cindy's like, let's get to that point
and if you need to, you need time and information
to get to that point, like ask me some questions,
like let me help you.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
That's never good in a really like if you're about
to take like the next step in a relationship and
your partners, well, you don't really have any questions for me?
And then like there's no question, Yeah, follow it up
with that you're kind of like okay, or maybe he
just thought fucking you don't care.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
But maybe he did have questions for and he's just like,
I don't want to ask these right now. Like, let's
wrap this up so I can read the fantasy sweet
cards so we can go talk off camera. Yeah, you know,
like I think the leads and a lot of times
the contestants go into that date being like, well, I'm
gonna save the good stuff for when we're in the
fantasy suites, because this is the date we've all been
waiting for where we can really get into it and
(18:10):
be one hundred percent honest with each other.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
They need a producer in They're like yo, yo, open up.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Oh to mel Yeah, speak they tell it, say exactly
how you feel right now, and walk off and walk
off camera because we are definitely not like yeah, like
I I want him to to like be brutally honest
at this point.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I think he is being brutally honest. I'm being yeah,
I think he is.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I think he's basically saying I'm not in love with you,
and I don't know if I'm gonna propose, and I
don't know if I'm ready to keep.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
He keeps kind of like these things take time, right.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yes, But you know what was really interesting to me
is and I don't know if maybe this was said
and we just missed it, but a big part of
Cindy and Mel's conversation was the fact that Mel took
a really long time to get married when he was
married the first time.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, And she.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Was like, I know it took you a long time,
and I know you spent a lot of time thinking
about it because you wanted to be one hundred percent sure,
and sure you were, but you still ended up divorced,
So like, why do you need that this time around?
Like there's always going to be that risk, which you know,
I can see both sides of that argument.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And he also said like, yeah, I ended up divorced,
but we were still together for twenty five years.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I want to know how long it took Mel to
get married, Like is this are we talking two to
three years or are we talking like ten to fifteen years?
And how old was he when he got married? Like
I want to know more about that. I also want
to know why the heck he got divorce, Like I
need to know these things.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Is a marriage categorized as unsuccessful if it ends in
a divorce, no matter how long the marriage is.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I think it's different dep on who you ask.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Like, if someone's together for twenty five years and they
had you know, twenty out of those twenty five years
were good and there was a lot of love there
and they raised two beautiful children together, Like, that's a
successful marriage to me.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Well, then why did they get divorced?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Well, it doesn't always. You know, twenty five years a
long time to vie with someone. Maybe they were just
like I can't stand you anymore.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
This was enough. You know, we had our expiry date
and it's now so yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
But like it so so. We don't know, Like there
is no yes or no to my to my question is.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Your question, like, is there an objective clear answer to
what a successful marriage looks like versus a non successful marriage.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
If a marriage ends in divorce, yeah, no matter the
situation is it, was it successful or not successful? I
think if we stamp it, if it's a big binder, yeah,
you know, Joe and Serena's marriage at the end of
our lives, if we're divorce, is that stamped unsuccessful or successful?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I My personal answer is that it's it's nuanced and
there's not like a yes or no. But I think
most people would say unsuccessful. I think if you're just
trying to like simplify it to a successful or unsuccessful,
if the marriage ends, I think most people would say
it gets stamped unsuccessful. And I think that's such a
cynical way of looking at it.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
What if we were married for one year and got divorced,
but eight months were great and in the last four.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Well, why did the last four go so south?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I don't know what is that success or unsuccess?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Hey, that's probably unsuccess, you know, like that's pretty quick,
you know, because when that happens, you're like looking at
it being.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Like, well, maybe we shouldn't have gotten married in the
first place.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
You know. I think I think you have to. I
think in order for it to be labeled a success
by these people that are stamping the binder, it has
to be I think I think minimum ten years.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Okay, anything under ten years is a failure of a marriage.
Yours is a long time though, if it.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Ends in divorce. So that's what I'm saying. So like,
if we were married for five years and we got divorced,
maybe our relationship, but like our marriage is kind of unsuccessful, you.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Know, I guess, I guess.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I mean it's a dark question you're posing, Yeah, but
I guess.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I mean there's gonna eventually be a time where I
think marriage may become obsolete.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
You think, yeah, well, less and less people are getting
married and having child I.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Think we're trending that way already. Man. I don't think
it's I don't think it's gonna be in our time,
but I do think. I do think eventually you probably
won't see marriages.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I think that the incentive for people that aren't religious
and believe in the construct of marriage as like, uh,
holy act. I don't know if that's the right phrasing,
but you know what I'm saying. I think the motivation
is taxes.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
You don't save that much, you.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Don't think, No, I guess then, like custody of children,
I don't know. Yeah, I'm sure marriage plays a role
in not well, I.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Guess marriage plays role in children with children.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, going back, going back to the Bachelor, circling back, Okay,
what do you think of Cindy and Mel's conversation and
where do you think that this is heading?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I mean, the way it ends their conversation, it was
very bleak. It really just seemed like they were both
not happy with each other and not happy with the situation.
And I feel like it's well, it's also harder because
you're texting right now.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
No, I'm not. I'm trying to find this.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
This is becoming an unsuccessful marriage.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I'm trying to find I'll tell you what I'm doing
as much as I am listening to I'm trying to
find what our predictions were.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
This is what This is what I will say I
right now after watching that, I would be so shocked,
so shocked if he picks Cindy. Really, yeah, I just
don't think it's gonna happen now unless unless we were
left on a cliffhanger and the whole conversation is about
the shift.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Do you think that.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Do you think that this conversation made up his mind
potentially or do you think that it's he's always kind
of known it's potentially going to be peg because I
have felt him to be quite torn in his decision making.
I've gone back and forth, like I'm not sure if
Mel knows what he's going to do yet.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I think I think it was I think it's been
pegged for a long time. Yeah, I think it's been
pegged for a long time. Okay, and I think Cindy
has been his number two for a long time.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Interesting, Okay, that's what I think.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Well, I'm curious to see how this unfolds.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
So we have our our predictions that we make at
the beginning of the season. We make these predictions before
the first episode.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Airs, right, I think what we did was we each
picked three from the cast photos, and then we each
picked one after the first episode. Yeah, so off of
the cast photos, Joe had picked Nicole, great, pick Eileen,
who I think went home pretty quick, pretty quick, Roxanne
(25:24):
also went home pretty quick. And then your pick after
Night one was Peg nice. And then for me, off
of cast photos, I had Debbie, Carol, Jerry. So all
my girls did pretty well actually, and my pick after
Night one was Cindy. Wow, which is wild. We each
after Night one picked the final two.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, you really need that Night one Well.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, going off of the headshots in the bios, I mean,
you're straight up just guessing Night one gives you so
much more to go off of. But like, still, I'm
impressed that each of us picked the Final two.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I'm impressed too. We've we've we've officially
watched the show way too many times truly, honestly, Like,
if you want to know who's going to be at
the end, just listen to our predictions.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yeah, we're probably right.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I think you think you'll be able to because she's,
you know, not part of the franchise, She's coming from
a different show. Do you think we're going to be
able to figure it out with Taylor Frankie Paul?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I think that'll be harder, I think because we don't know,
like when they have, we have.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
A lot more information on her if you watch The
Mormon Wife.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
That's true, that's true.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Actually, you know what it is that the prediction comes
from us having watched an episode one so many times
that something in the edit is cluing us that this
person's going far.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
We just don't even know it.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Oh, I know it.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
No, I'm saying like it's like it's like second nature
for us to pick up on some of the things.
I don't even realize him picking up on, you know
what I mean, Like obviously we picked we read into
something that they were trying to tell us.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Okay, I think, uh, that's basically basically a recap. I mean, honestly,
there's only two women, so you know, there's not much
more we can even talk about.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, I think the big episode's coming up. It's the finale.
We're going to see how this conversation with Cindy unfolds.
Looks like, Jesse and Mel have a conversation, Peg and
Mel have a conversation if things go well, if someone
if not, both of them are going to be meeting
his family, so that'll be exciting to see his sons
come into play. I'm excited to see him interact with
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his sons. That'll be good and we'll see how this
whole journey ends.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yep, thank you guys so much for tuning into Better
or Happy Hour. Make sure you download and subscribe to
the podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
We have it new and exclusive recaps and interviews come
your way. We also have Joan on the podcast to
give us all of her thoughts later this week, so
be sure to tune into that.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Five h
Hey, everyone, welcome back to bat You're happy, Arma, Joe,
and we're here with another recap. We're in a recap
fantasy suites. Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yeah, they're in Antigua this week, which looks beautiful. I mean,
we haven't traveled all season, so it's kind of nice
to shake it up and get a new location, a
new vibe. And I also just feel like when they
go to these tropical places, everyone's like a little more relaxed,
a little more romantic, So it's a good setting for
fantasy suites.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah. I kind of wish we would start the episode
instead of starting the episode off with Mel Jesse b Roll, Like,
let's actually start it off with the women in Antigua
and see what they're doing. Let's go like have a
little walk. Let's like take a walk around the block
with them, see the sites a little bit, have them
talk about how they're feeling. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
I like that idea, and then like.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Cut back, you know, because I'm just like, I don't
need to watch ten minutes of what the fuck went
down this whole season.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Like the long recap.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, I don't need the recap. I don't need the
Jesse Mel talk quite yet. Like, I want to see
these women. I want to see their excitement. I wonder
how they feel.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I like that suggestion.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
I feel like even just like Jesse on the beach
with Peg being like, so walk us through your journey, like,
let's do a little ten minute chat. You know, how
are you feeling? What are you looking for this weekend?
I know we get a little bit of that in
their interviews, but I feel like going into depth more
about that is more meaningful to me at this point
than going back and seeing kind of like a montage
of their journey.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
It's like, this season's not that long. I know what
happened week one.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
And send the send Peg in Cindy out on a
walk together, let them talk.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Oh juicy.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I love that, Like, let's let's let's talk it out.
How are you guys feeling right now?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah? Fair, I'm into that suggestion.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
We start off with Peg.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
She's the first date of the episode, and they do
a dune buggy date.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
What did you think?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
I thought it was fun? And I feel like, you know,
dune buggy dates, we see them every season. Peg is
definitely like an adventurous risk taker. I mean, she was
on the bomb squad, like I feel like she's got
to have a bit of adrenaline junkie in her.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, I I tap out when I see a dune buggy,
I see a helicopter, I see jumping in the ocean
with sting.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Raised about any sort of boat.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
I nothing's gonna happen. I'm gonna be like, Okay, this
is monu or like this is a big moment like it.
I was gonna say money, monumental, monumental, but I'm like
that's totally the wrong word. I have more interested. I
have more interest in the dinner night portion. And just
(02:44):
like that conversation opposed to like dune buggy.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Well, in all the seasons, there's been one million dune
buggy dates, and I don't think anything's ever really like
gone down on a dune buggy. Yeah, you know, like
it's a visual cue to me that like they're gonna
ride around. One person's gonna drive slow, one person's gonna
drive fast. They're both gonna talk about that in their interviews,
and then they'll sit down and have a chat and
talk about the done buggy.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah exactly, It's gonna be like in you know pegs,
I'm driving fast, mel drives slow.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So what do you think that that revealed about maybe
their personalities, their relationship, their compatibility.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Nothing really, Yeah, I don't. I don't think that's It
would be different if Peg was like fucking doing three
sixties and flying around and on top and you were like, whoa,
she's an adrenaline junkie like this she is like exports,
like this is what I love. But she's driving a
little fast on a doing buggy. Okay, So it's not
(03:41):
that they're They're not that much different.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Like it's not gonna be a deal breaker that she
likes to drive fast and he needs to drive slow.
So Peg says she's worried that Mal might be emotional
and available because he deflects a lot when she asks
him more personal, in depth questions, which I think is
something we've really seen from him with all the women
all season. I wonder if that's something that they as
(04:08):
a group have talked about, do you know what I mean? Like,
I wonder if the women have earlier on, probably not
later into the journey, been like he kind of deflects
a lot, eh, Like I'm trying to get stuff out
of him and he's not really saying a lot, or
I wonder if they're usually very caught up in the
beginning of being like I want him to get to
know me, that it is just something that they're now
(04:29):
realizing like huh, like I'm not I don't really know him.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, I think it's I think it happens more down
the road with like the women that have spent more
time with them, and then they could start like recapping
the time they spent and like, Okay this he's doing this,
and YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, so the dinner a portion happens, and I will say,
like Mel does give her like such undivided attention, like
he is both on her, locked in on what she's saying,
asking follow up questions. It's more just when like the
tables turn on to him, I feel like he kind
of freezes up.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
But I do feel like he was the.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Most vocal about his feelings that I've seen him this
whole season with PEG, Like, I think his conversation with
Jesse was important. When Jesse was like, you don't have
to say I love you, but you can still say
like I love this about you and this is how
you make me feel. I think it's important that he does,
and I was glad that he did.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
I think Mel is the type of guy where if
him and Peg at this point in the show were
off camera and they were having a bottle of wine
and they were relaxing, I think he's gonna talk a
lot about his feelings, his emotions. He's probably thrown out.
(05:53):
I love yous like. I just think Mel is very
aware of the situation he is in and he's not
going to let them. But you, okay, your eyes are
really bugging.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I just yawned, but I tried to hold it in.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I'm like, Jesus, you should swallow coffee. Sorry, So yeah,
that's kind of That's kind of what I think.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
The morning after, Oh my god, I feel like such
a tone switch. I was like, whoa, You guys definitely
got a little freaky last night.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
We saw a different side of mouth. That was the
first time he was giggling.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Oh my gosh, she was blushing. I was like, this
is so cute what happened last night. I feel like
ma was so giddy. He was so relaxed. He's like
in his jeans, laying on the bed, shirtless, like even though,
but I feel like he did say during the Dune
Buggy date, like he was talking about Peg and he
was like, there was definitely like a sexual attraction.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, I was like expressed. Yeah, he was likea like
her sweaty and her hair all over the place. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
He was like, I'm into her. I'm sexual attracted to her.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Like she looks beautiful, she was great, her curly hair,
Like he's definitely attracted to her. And I was like, Okay,
that's important, and I think that's great. I mean she's
beautiful for sure, but I'm always just looking for more
out of Mouse or just hearing that, I was like, okay,
you really like her. And then just seeing how they
were in the morning, I was like, this is the
most relaxed and soft I've seen either Peg or Mouth,
(07:30):
Like they both seem really happy.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
I thought it was gonna be Debbie. Yeah, but I
really after Mel's conversation with PEG's daughter and him choosing
Peg was a massive like was the sign of like
I'm really in the back because she was like her daughter,
(07:54):
which like good for her. Was kind of like I
don't know if I fucking trust you. I don't know
if I like what you're saying. Yeah, I'm kind of like,
this is I'm calling bullshit and he didn't like and
he was.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
There was a time to send Peg home if it
wasn't gonna be heard, that would have been the week.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, he would have sent her home.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
He would have been like, this daughter is catching when
that I maybe not that into her mom time to
go Peg. Yeah, So the fact that he kept her
that week is just a show of dedication to her
in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I agree, that's what I think.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
But yeah, it was cute seeing them in the morning. Yeah,
just like I feel like it was. It was all good,
like ten out of ten fantasy suite date. Nothing really
seemed to go wrong. They had like in depth conversations
at night. I think they had a great fantasy suite
whatever that means. And the morning everything's good, like no complaints,
(08:47):
A plus A plus.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
A plus plus makes sense. Why that was shown first,
makes sense.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Why that was shown first.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Definitely not as juicy as Cindy's, even though I would
say Cindy and Peg both went into their dates feeling
kind of the same, Like they both expressed they wanted
to get more out of Mal in terms of how
he's feeling and where he's at. Their goals were the same,
but execution played out differently. So Cindy has the sting
(09:16):
Ray date. I've done this before the Stingrays. Have you
done it?
Speaker 1 (09:20):
No, and never will you never will, have no desire
unless unless somebody's gonna pay me, I'll do it. I
will do it for money. Just let's just throw that
out there in case any any any brand dealers.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Are are affiliated with sting out there.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
You know, I will do it for money, but I
will never do it for fun.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
What about it does not appeal to you?
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I just I just wouldn't want it, Like, I don't know,
nothing appeals to me, Like I don't care to go
underwater with goggles and look at fish.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, you're not really a water adventure guy.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
No, I mean I I enjoyed like surf lessons like
that's yeah, I enjoy like like somewhat of like a
water sport sport workout, but like.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
You don't want to interact with the creatures of the sea.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Zero interaction with them. Yeah, let them let them do
their things.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
I did swimming at the Sitting Rays one time.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I don't remember how old. I was not that old.
I want to say I was maybe like ten or eleven.
I am someone that's very comfortable in the water, and
I remember it took me like fifteen twenty minutes like
get in the water because they were like, you have
to keep your feet planted on the ground because if
you don't, they will potentially swim under you, and if you,
(10:39):
like step on one of them, you're gonna potentially anger one.
And as a small child, I was like, well, one
big wave could be a game changer for me and
my feet on the ground versus off the ground.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Well, I thought that, how how I thought that this
was like in the middle of the ocean where yeah,
fucking thirty feet deep? How deep is this?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
No, you could stand?
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Oh I didn't know they could.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
They were.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I wasn't. I was zoned out. Okay, well I tell you,
I told you you know those dates, I cant a
zone out.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Well, you can see Cindy was like super into it.
But I could I sympathize with Mel's hesitation honestly because
those things are big and they're kind of scary and
they look like dinosaurs.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, Like, I don't need to be in the middle
of the ocean. I don't need to be on a
forty foot fucking cliff, Like I don't need I don't
like heights. Nope, I don't need to be in the
middle of the ocean. I don't need to be like,
you know, like Safari. You know I don't, no, thank.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
You, you're a city boy.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Well it's because animals, whether or not we want to
admit this or not, are are unpredictable. Yes, you know,
like I love dogs, but like that's it, Like I
don't need to like be like, oh, let's go look
at the lions, Like, no fucking thank you, because what's
going to happen. Well, if if all of a sudden,
you know, ten of them roll up on you, you're done.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
You're dead, Yeah, probably, and it's.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Not gonna be like a nice death, like it's a
it's awful.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
But these people do this for livy.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
I mean you heard the guy say he's been doing
it for twenty five years, know whatever been stung before?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Sure, but they also they also like you're gonna tell me, like,
if if ten of those stingrays get together and they're
like attack, those guys have been doing it forever, are
gonna know how to handle that situation. There's no way
they're gonna freak out too. They're gonna they're gonna run,
They're gonna swim away, and I'm gonna get a thousand
(12:28):
stingrays in me for what So I could have had.
So I had a nice ten minutes underwater looking at him.
I'll watch it on the YouTube.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
You really just said, like your dad when you said
that you can watch YouTube, I will.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Okay, So no stingrays for Joe and Mal Uh, Cindy
and I will take charge of the sting rays. Commend
I commend Mal for giving it a try, and I
commend Cindy for you know, being patient and kind of
trying to ease his nerves and make him as comfortable
as possible. I think that's all you can do in
that situation with your partner, frankly, is do your best
(13:06):
to make them feel comfortable supported. I think it's good
to push your partner a little bit outside their comfort zone.
But I also don't think mel again needs to like
live for swimming at the sting rays for the relationship
to work. So like, if he doesn't want to do it, like,
no shade to him. Like I'm all for people saying
like I know I'm on a show. And I know
this is the date activity that I've been told I
have to do today, but I don't want to do it,
(13:26):
so I'm not going to.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, I mean like if that was you and I,
I would have looked at you before we went in
the water and have been like, just so you know,
I don't want to do this. And since we are
doing this, it's every man from themselves in there, We're
not going to be having conversation like I'm in there.
I'm surviving. I am surviving on my own. I'm in there,
I'm paying attention to what's happening. I'm gonna get back up,
We're gonna get on this boat. It's I'm gonna be
(13:48):
nauseous because we're in the middle of the ocean. And
hopefully we have a good dinner.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeahs have a good dinner. Well, they didn't have a
great dinner. Unfortunately, it seemed like it wasn't a bad dinner,
but it was definitely it was more serious. The tone
of the evening was definitely more serious. We end up
on a cliffhanger mistake.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
What do you mean a mistake?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I think it's a mistake. I think it's I.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Think what do you think is a mistake.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Sid Cidy Sydney's Sidey's Cindy's approach to dinner, in my opinion,
is a mistake. I understand what she's doing, and I
get it, But if she really wanted to be with Mel,
I just think, why not wait till the cameras are
(14:37):
off in the fantasy suites where you could really push
them and actually get a real answer.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, and I mean maybe they'll had to finish suits
and have a more in depth conversation. I have no
problem with Cindy pushing Mel. I don't think that's a problem.
I think at this point she has every right to
do so. And I think that if that's truly her person,
like there's nothing she can say in terms I mean,
obviously she's going about this in like the most considerate,
(15:04):
respectful manner in terms of asking important questions, So like
there is nothing she can say, in my opinion, in
this fashion that is going to like change his mind
about her, push him away from her, if that is
truly the person.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
She's meant to be with.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
So I'm all for her asking the hard questions, but
I do agree with you, like you're this close to
fantasy suites, like, you're right there. If you're gonna get
the most open and honest answers from him, it's going
to be in the fantasy suites. So I think it's
okay to like maybe tee up that conversation, but I
think now is the time to wait until the cameras
(15:42):
are gone, and then if the conversation doesn't go the
way you want, then there you go. But but you're
gonna miss a large portion of the information you could
have gotten by doing this with him on camera, based
on how he has responded on camera in the past.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yeah, And I think his response to me it was
very much like your your second You're you're in second place.
You think, Yeah, that's that's how it reads to me that, Yeah,
I do. I'm picking that up because I just feel
(16:16):
like I feel like if PEG came at him the
same way, there would have been a little more there
would have been a little more like.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Don't forge out, like it's gonna be okay, reassuring yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Yeah, yeah, And to me, I feel like he's kind
of like in a way like, yeah, I'm not I'm
not choosing you.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Well, I think they both feel the same, which is
that they're on two separate pages. Like I think that
Mal feels like Cindy is way ahead of him emotionally
and way more comfortable taking a serious step forward in
their relationship. And I think Cindy feels that too. I
think she's like, I'm way ahead of you emotionally and
I'm way more comfortable taking a serious step. So they're
(17:02):
they're just in two different places. I don't feel that
Peg and him are necessarily in two different places. As
much as I think that Peg wants a little bit
more out of him, I think she's looking for less
than Cindya's. Right now, Cindy kind of calls him out
and says, you don't have She says, you don't really
have any questions for me, So like what's holding you back?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
How do you feel about me?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Like I think Cindy's like, let's get to that point
and if you need to, you need time and information
to get to that point, like ask me some questions,
like let me help you.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
That's never good in a really like if you're about
to take like the next step in a relationship and
your partners, well, you don't really have any questions for me?
And then like there's no question, Yeah, follow it up
with that you're kind of like okay, or maybe he
just thought fucking you don't care.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
But maybe he did have questions for and he's just like,
I don't want to ask these right now. Like, let's
wrap this up so I can read the fantasy sweet
cards so we can go talk off camera. Yeah, you know,
like I think the leads and a lot of times
the contestants go into that date being like, well, I'm
gonna save the good stuff for when we're in the
fantasy suites, because this is the date we've all been
waiting for where we can really get into it and
(18:10):
be one hundred percent honest with each other.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
They need a producer in They're like yo, yo, open up.
Speaker 4 (18:16):
Oh to mel Yeah, speak they tell it, say exactly
how you feel right now, and walk off and walk
off camera because we are definitely not like yeah, like
I I want him to to like be brutally honest
at this point.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
I think he is being brutally honest. I'm being yeah,
I think he is.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I think he's basically saying I'm not in love with you,
and I don't know if I'm gonna propose, and I
don't know if I'm ready to keep.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
He keeps kind of like these things take time, right.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Yes, But you know what was really interesting to me
is and I don't know if maybe this was said
and we just missed it, but a big part of
Cindy and Mel's conversation was the fact that Mel took
a really long time to get married when he was
married the first time.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, And she.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Was like, I know it took you a long time,
and I know you spent a lot of time thinking
about it because you wanted to be one hundred percent sure,
and sure you were, but you still ended up divorced,
So like, why do you need that this time around?
Like there's always going to be that risk, which you know,
I can see both sides of that argument.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
And he also said like, yeah, I ended up divorced,
but we were still together for twenty five years.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
I want to know how long it took Mel to
get married, Like is this are we talking two to
three years or are we talking like ten to fifteen years?
And how old was he when he got married? Like
I want to know more about that. I also want
to know why the heck he got divorce, Like I
need to know these things.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Is a marriage categorized as unsuccessful if it ends in
a divorce, no matter how long the marriage is.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I think it's different dep on who you ask.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Like, if someone's together for twenty five years and they
had you know, twenty out of those twenty five years
were good and there was a lot of love there
and they raised two beautiful children together, Like, that's a
successful marriage to me.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Well, then why did they get divorced?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Well, it doesn't always. You know, twenty five years a
long time to vie with someone. Maybe they were just
like I can't stand you anymore.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
This was enough. You know, we had our expiry date
and it's now so yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
But like it so so. We don't know, Like there
is no yes or no to my to my question is.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Your question, like, is there an objective clear answer to
what a successful marriage looks like versus a non successful marriage.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
If a marriage ends in divorce, yeah, no matter the
situation is it, was it successful or not successful? I
think if we stamp it, if it's a big binder, yeah,
you know, Joe and Serena's marriage at the end of
our lives, if we're divorce, is that stamped unsuccessful or successful?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I My personal answer is that it's it's nuanced and
there's not like a yes or no. But I think
most people would say unsuccessful. I think if you're just
trying to like simplify it to a successful or unsuccessful,
if the marriage ends, I think most people would say
it gets stamped unsuccessful. And I think that's such a
cynical way of looking at it.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
What if we were married for one year and got divorced,
but eight months were great and in the last four.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Well, why did the last four go so south?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I don't know what is that success or unsuccess?
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Hey, that's probably unsuccess, you know, like that's pretty quick,
you know, because when that happens, you're like looking at
it being.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Like, well, maybe we shouldn't have gotten married in the
first place.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
You know. I think I think you have to. I
think in order for it to be labeled a success
by these people that are stamping the binder, it has
to be I think I think minimum ten years.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
Okay, anything under ten years is a failure of a marriage.
Yours is a long time though, if it.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Ends in divorce. So that's what I'm saying. So like,
if we were married for five years and we got divorced,
maybe our relationship, but like our marriage is kind of unsuccessful, you.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Know, I guess, I guess.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I mean it's a dark question you're posing, Yeah, but
I guess.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
I mean there's gonna eventually be a time where I
think marriage may become obsolete.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
You think, yeah, well, less and less people are getting
married and having child I.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Think we're trending that way already. Man. I don't think
it's I don't think it's gonna be in our time,
but I do think. I do think eventually you probably
won't see marriages.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I think that the incentive for people that aren't religious
and believe in the construct of marriage as like, uh,
holy act. I don't know if that's the right phrasing,
but you know what I'm saying. I think the motivation
is taxes.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
You don't save that much, you.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Don't think, No, I guess then, like custody of children,
I don't know. Yeah, I'm sure marriage plays a role
in not well, I.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
Guess marriage plays role in children with children.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, going back, going back to the Bachelor, circling back, Okay,
what do you think of Cindy and Mel's conversation and
where do you think that this is heading?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I mean, the way it ends their conversation, it was
very bleak. It really just seemed like they were both
not happy with each other and not happy with the situation.
And I feel like it's well, it's also harder because
you're texting right now.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
No, I'm not. I'm trying to find this.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
This is becoming an unsuccessful marriage.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I'm trying to find I'll tell you what I'm doing
as much as I am listening to I'm trying to
find what our predictions were.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
This is what This is what I will say I
right now after watching that, I would be so shocked,
so shocked if he picks Cindy. Really, yeah, I just
don't think it's gonna happen now unless unless we were
left on a cliffhanger and the whole conversation is about
the shift.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Do you think that.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
Do you think that this conversation made up his mind
potentially or do you think that it's he's always kind
of known it's potentially going to be peg because I
have felt him to be quite torn in his decision making.
I've gone back and forth, like I'm not sure if
Mel knows what he's going to do yet.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I think I think it was I think it's been
pegged for a long time. Yeah, I think it's been
pegged for a long time. Okay, and I think Cindy
has been his number two for a long time.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Interesting, Okay, that's what I think.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Well, I'm curious to see how this unfolds.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
So we have our our predictions that we make at
the beginning of the season. We make these predictions before
the first episode.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Airs, right, I think what we did was we each
picked three from the cast photos, and then we each
picked one after the first episode. Yeah, so off of
the cast photos, Joe had picked Nicole, great, pick Eileen,
who I think went home pretty quick, pretty quick, Roxanne
(25:24):
also went home pretty quick. And then your pick after
Night one was Peg nice. And then for me, off
of cast photos, I had Debbie, Carol, Jerry. So all
my girls did pretty well actually, and my pick after
Night one was Cindy. Wow, which is wild. We each
after Night one picked the final two.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, you really need that Night one Well.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, going off of the headshots in the bios, I mean,
you're straight up just guessing Night one gives you so
much more to go off of. But like, still, I'm
impressed that each of us picked the Final two.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I'm impressed too. We've we've we've officially
watched the show way too many times truly, honestly, Like,
if you want to know who's going to be at
the end, just listen to our predictions.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
Yeah, we're probably right.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
I think you think you'll be able to because she's,
you know, not part of the franchise, She's coming from
a different show. Do you think we're going to be
able to figure it out with Taylor Frankie Paul?
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I think that'll be harder, I think because we don't know,
like when they have, we have.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
A lot more information on her if you watch The
Mormon Wife.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
That's true, that's true.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Actually, you know what it is that the prediction comes
from us having watched an episode one so many times
that something in the edit is cluing us that this
person's going far.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
We just don't even know it.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Oh, I know it.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
No, I'm saying like it's like it's like second nature
for us to pick up on some of the things.
I don't even realize him picking up on, you know
what I mean, Like obviously we picked we read into
something that they were trying to tell us.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Okay, I think, uh, that's basically basically a recap. I mean, honestly,
there's only two women, so you know, there's not much
more we can even talk about.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, I think the big episode's coming up. It's the finale.
We're going to see how this conversation with Cindy unfolds.
Looks like, Jesse and Mel have a conversation, Peg and
Mel have a conversation if things go well, if someone
if not, both of them are going to be meeting
his family, so that'll be exciting to see his sons
come into play. I'm excited to see him interact with
(27:39):
his sons. That'll be good and we'll see how this
whole journey ends.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yep, thank you guys so much for tuning into Better
or Happy Hour. Make sure you download and subscribe to
the podcast.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
We have it new and exclusive recaps and interviews come
your way. We also have Joan on the podcast to
give us all of her thoughts later this week, so
be sure to tune into that.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
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