July 18, 2025 • 42 mins
Today on “Golden Hour,” we’re talking all things “Paradise” AND sitting down with former Bachelor Clayton Echard! We kick things off by recapping this season of “Paradise” so far, Kathy dishes on her first day there and gives us all her hot takes. We even get to know ALL the tea behind her big secret. Then, we get started with Clayton touching base on all his updates--from his health, his court case officially closing, and so much more. What does he have his sights set on next? Plus, Clayton helps us dish out some advice to one of our lovely listeners. Tune in now to hear all this and more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hours, Golden Hour. Thanks for
joining us. We're so excited to be back today. How
are you doing, Susan.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I'm very excited to be back and chat with everybody,
and boy, do we have somebody special today. But make
sure you guys are still checking out our latest episode.
We've been having a ton of fun answer and the questions,
chatting with our Bachelor Nation fans and giving out the
dish and our advice.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
We're never short of that, okay, But today the Goldens
have arrived in Paradise. We got to talk about it. Wow,
what did you think?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
So exciting coming in? So good to see everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I'm telling you riding in on that boat. Yes, it
was great, but oh my god, we got to talk
about what happened.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I mean, everybody looked fabulous coming in there. Can I
just say everybody looked their best and the surprised look
on all the youngers.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I think they were surprised.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
It was a great moment. It was a great moment.
Can we go right to the bat, Kathy? Seriously? What
the hell?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Okay, let me just say, Susan, you know cockroad, just mosquitoes, flies, snakes.
I'm good with that. You put a bat anywhere near
me in the little room, I know, I mean, and
there it was. It just oh, I was, I was.
I was so scared. Thank you, Parisa.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
You were fucking like it was coming. There it did,
it was coming.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
After a min and god bless Jackie stayed in there
and he's walking around in circles. I'm like, jack really,
you think you're gonna catch it? Open the door and
then somebody fuck it was Paris.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
She was, yeah, okay, but we got to talk about
the drama. Susie.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Oh, oh my god, like I was crying. I mean,
he loves her.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
He loves her, It's so clear to I mean, I
don't know. They didn't tell me, but it appears from
watching that he loves her. And the shock on her face.
I just and she didn't want it. I mean, no,
I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure it was a
great idea to put those two together so close after
(02:16):
their breakup, but you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I mean, I wasn't there yet.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
So I'm watching it with the rest of you guys, right,
you know, the Goldens hadn't arrived when all that mess
was going on. But I've got to talk about Jeremy
and Bailey. I mean, listen, when, first of all, did
you catch the lie? Like Jeremy, I'm sorry, buddy, I'm
throwing the bus.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Her eyes, boy, she's looking right through him, like yeah, right, But.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
He says she goes the night before, or according to
her on the show, she says she committed to him.
I love you, We're together. This is after he's had
his date with Susie. The next day, twenty four hours later, Sure,
I loved out with you, Andrew. I don't blame Jeremy
for being pissed off. I don't. And what does a
(03:05):
grown man do when he's pissed off?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Calls the next one? Is that not typical?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Oh? It typical? But I mean he said I gave
the rose to I wish I'd given it to Susie. No,
he was just mad, and in my opinion, rightfully. So
Bailey's committed to him. And within twenty four hours, Sure, Andrew,
I'd love to go on a date. And as they
say in upstate New York, not for nothing. She looked
(03:35):
like she had a great time with him, almost more
fun than she was having with Jeremy. With Andrew, she
was having a great time with him.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
What about Jonathan, Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And Jill my heart Wait, who's your heart for Jill
or Jonathan?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Well, Jonathan had given Alex the rose, yeah, the second
one right, yeah, but when she was sharing with him,
like let's be friends.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I mean, but Jill what. I felt sorry for Jill.
He said to Jill something like you're giving me pause.
I would think, hey, maybe he does feel something for me,
and then he's like, yeah, your friend zone, your friend zone.
I felt sorry for Jill. That poor girl could not
catch a good day.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
And Ali Joe just got there and she's so darn pretty. No,
we had her on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I just love her, love her off. She goes like,
come for a minute, and there you're gone.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
It's Susie gone, Lexi gone. What about Lexi with Justin
Oh my god. I mean I felt sorry for her too.
She knew, like you could just see it. She was
so careful to not want to get hurt and bam
she gets it as well.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I mean, we know her, right, we love her. I mean,
she's doing great. We had her on the podcast. We've
also talked to her. When I saw her in the
way she was looking and talking about people. It almost
felt like, where's really you? Just open up and be authentic,
be you that she was faking anything, nothing like that.
(05:13):
She just like, yeah, she wasn't comfortable.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, I think she's more reserved. Okay, I just have
to ask a general I know we don't have a
lot of time to go over this, but I have
to say, as a Golden, as a Golden who was
on the show, and as a golden who is your friend,
and just as an English major, what the hell is
with the word vibing? I mean, if I had a
nickel for every time they said vibing last night, the
(05:39):
vibe I'm vibing, Well, we're vibing, vibing, vibing, Like, what
the hell? It's a noun, it's an adjective, it's a verb.
I mean, Susan, what does it mean? What is it?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Vibe? You're like connecting, Yes, you're connecting, but that's like
hooking up.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Oh god, I mean the vibe the vibe here is
really hot. We're vibing. I mean I sat there going.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
The vibe here is really hot and steamy, like the
golden snow. I know what it means. I'm just saying, yeah, Okay,
I know what the word means.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I'm saying it's it's like using the word like vibe
has taken over the word on.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
That's a new word.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Now we cannot end this today before we get into
our episode without the secret?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Do you want to share? Okay, Susan, do you think
you were going to stand up? I really didn't. I'm waiting.
I'm waiting, I'm waiting.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Okay, I'm just going to tell you this was Kathy's
biggest coup she's ever made in life.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
When we started that whole no how innocent and pure,
got married out of high school.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
We know she needs some experience.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
That's when we heard that.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
When America heard this, susand what you.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
See the faces on the young people, Oh my god,
Kathy and Jesse's face. Now, do you want the truth?
The truth is I want? When Jesse said it was
going to be a great prize, I thought, I want
to win this prize. So what did I do? I thought, Okay,
I've got to make up a secret that the young
ones will vote for and what a young ones want
(07:16):
to talk about and think about sex. So Kathy was
very careful in her word choice. I didn't say husband
because then they would know it was a golden I
didn't say child because you know there's no sex involved
in that. So I said I slept with someone when
my partner was in the other room. The partner was
my husband, Darryl. The other person was my two years
(07:39):
at the time two year old son, Douglas, who was
throwing his guts up and my husband, I said, go
go sleep in another room. I got this, I'll take
care of it. So I was sleeping with a child
who was projectile vomiting and my husband was sleeping the
other room.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
We're going to have to make a public statement, Kathy,
because the world thinks just when I played never have
you ever? And I kissed the girl when I was eighteen,
here it was have you had sex with a woman?
Not paying attention? I ate my ice cream? It was
like I needed a public announcement.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Were you shocked? Were you shocked when you heard it?
Because you know me, oh?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Absolutely? So I was like, are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 4 (08:18):
But I'm I.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Can't wait to the next one. And watching April hook
up with Jack was so fun.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Oh my god, can I just tell you before we
get into the episode, I have to tell you I
missed that. I don't know where I was, Oh, you know,
probably creating my story. I don't know where I was.
But when I ever saw that last night hooking up
with Jack, do you not think my fingers dialed her
rapidly on the phone. Oh yes they did.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
This is great.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Can't wait to the next one.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
And we better get back to the episode before we
devote this.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Whole podcast on us.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
All right, let's go. Please welcome the formal Clayton eckered. Hi, Clayton,
Welcome to Golden Hour. And before we get started, can
I please have your curly hair and your gorgeous set
of dimples?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Please, Hike, Clayton, how are you?
Speaker 5 (09:12):
I am doing great, artie, and you know what, I'm
looking forward to this. I heard that you guys were
ready well conversation that I need to to prep for it.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
So, I mean you are easy on the eyes, Clayton,
you are easy.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
On tell I just want to dance with you, babe,
That's all I watched the time.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yes, we're going to make it first.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I heard that you guys are both the lives of
the parties.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yes, and while Susan stands in with you, Clayton, I'm
going to be doing the deep knee bends with you
to see how my knees are feeling.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
So yeah, you might beat me. Honestly, my knees are
pretty shot.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
From I know. I watched the whole thing about you
injecting your knees. Are you doing better?
Speaker 4 (09:51):
You know?
Speaker 5 (09:52):
I feel like it maybe isn't working as well as
I thought. So Unfortunately, we're about thirty degree k ne
ben be on that point, it's it's the danger zone.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Do we want to know? Do we want to ask?
What's new? Like what happens if that that's Are we
looking at knee replacement because Susan and I have really
cute nursing caps and we're available.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Okay, you guys a little bit of a discount.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Well, I'll have you up and walking.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Trust me, my knees won't be fixed. About everything else,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
You'll be up to show.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Break my heart. I bet to be a heartbreaker. You wouldn't.
You wouldn't say my heart.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
She's taking she's in love.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
But just tell me one thing about you right now?
What's new with you? What's besides the knee besides.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Honestly, I mean, I'm just I'm I'm just in a
really great place right now.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
You know, I think I love that.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Mentally, I've I've really come into really just finding what
works for me and and I've been happy. And my
parents are just bought a house out here in Found
Fountain Hills, Arizona.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Nice. I have my whole family out in Arizona now,
so that's exciting.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Where are you from originally, though you're not from Arizona?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Are you Missouri so much?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I thought?
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Yeah, yeah, my two brothers came out here a couple
of years before me.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
And then my parents.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
You know, my mom's she she just well she she
was retired as of like a year ago. My dad
just retired, so they wanted to be closer to.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Us, which is yeah. So all right, So before we
get into the fun stuff, we the elephant in the room,
if you don't mind us asking. We heard that your
false paternity case has closed and we which were thrilled
for you. But how did it feel or how is
it felt going through something so personal and having to
(11:40):
go through it so publicly. Again, only if you're comfortable.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Yeah, yeah, and absolutely I appreciate you asking.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
I you know, I think at this point, I've gotten
so used to just not having privacy.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
But it's not like in a bad way.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
I just I think for me, I'm like, look, if
I'm just me and I'm as authentic as I can be,
you know, maybe sometimes I'm too honest for my own good,
but I feel like as long as I can just
be real, then ultimately it all work out. So I
didn't plan, obviously for people to know more about my
uh you know, the intimate aspects of my life.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
But that's just the way that it is.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Do you get affected at all by the comments that
people put on social media?
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I did it first when I first came off like
the Bachelor. Yeah, of course I was a big time
people pleaser. But I've really worked on that aspect of
me and I just really don't care about the majority
of people's opinions now, so good for you.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I have self love and self confidence.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
So no, so now when I see them, I I mean,
maybe again, well do they maybe?
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Will? They will? They annoy me slightly, but like why
lose sleep over them?
Speaker 5 (12:42):
No?
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Do I think about them more than a couple of seconds.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
No?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
So, but you did it one time? Is that what
you're telling me.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
All ye, I was eaten alive by the comments, you
know at first.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I mean, so tell me how have you moved forward
from being the bad guy? Like how do you do it?
Because I will tell you some people from Golden have
not have really struggled being seen as bad people, and
you know it affects us, all right.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah, I think you have to.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
I mean, at least what worked for me is to
be introspective, so to go with them and figure out
exactly who I was, because for a while, again I
was just trying to pease everybody that I was around,
being a people pleaser.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I like that version of me.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
So what I did was I started to go internal
and say, Okay, who am I and who do I
want to be? You know, and I'm not really being
the person that I actually want to be. The real
version of me has been suppressed. So in the last
couple of years, I've been able to like really tap
into like my creativity and just the parts of me
that I was always fearful of judgment from others. Once
you figure out who you are and and you stand
(13:45):
by it and you're confident, I mean, it doesn't really
matter what everyone else thinks at that point, so I
found like, yeah, once I found love in myself, I
was like, look, I don't care then what you think
about me, because this version of me I love, and
then the right people love that.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Not only handsome.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Is that the dance?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
He said, the guy's hands and he can dance and
he's prophetic. It's amazing.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Oh thank you. Yeah, no, I just the dancing. Yes,
was a big part of like my rebirth. That was
actually the word that I chose for twenty twenty four.
Every year I like to choose a word to focus on,
but that was the word that I chose for last year.
I'm like, look, I want to be reborn into the
real version of me, the version of me that I
really enjoy being, not you know, the facade that I'm
trying to you know, hold for everyone to go, oh,
(14:27):
that's the that's the bachelor, right.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
I pushed a lot of that pressure on me.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
I was like, the bachelor, you know, the most sought
after man in America, the you know, he's the sweetheart,
he's he can do no wrong. That's what I placed
on my shoulders. And that's just I mean, you can't have.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
To be real. You have to be real true to
yourself right.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Now, I am and people, yeah, I know too much
about me, but I'm like, well that is what it is.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, but you know what, you have a real smile
on your face now, and that's that's genuine.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
So you're bringing out too because you got I can
just tell balls of energy like we and when you
guys are to gather, I can't.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Image how, oh my god, we start a party.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
That's awesome.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
So you guys, I mean obviously I would assume, I mean,
you're doing the podcast, but you guys are now going
on a cruise, like you guys have formed a pretty
solidified relationship, which is awesome.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
How about you whoever you're still friends with?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
There you go.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Yeah, so I would say my closest friends Brandon Jones.
So you know from the when I was on The Bachelorette,
you know Michelle's season. Yeah, he but I liked a
lot of those guys from that season, you know, like
there's there's Rodney, Nate, you know, I've I've hung out
with a few of them. Of course, some of them
have now serious girlfriends and they're in that stage of
their lives. So you don't hear from this module and also,
(15:36):
I mean I I not just to put that on them.
I also am one of those individuals that you may
not hear from me for a few months and then
I come out of the woodworks. That's just the way
that I operate. You know, my friends, Clinton's just doing
a thing for a few months, He'll be back.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
So one of the things that when I was reading
up on you, Clayton, because you know, I like to
know who I'm dancing with, dancing with, get it. So
you're you do a lot of and now hearing you
talk doesn't surprise me. You do a lot of talk
about mental health for men, and you give talk. Can
(16:08):
you talk a little bit about that?
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Yeah, I just think that at least the way you know,
when I was raised, the environment that I was raised within,
and I think not even just within the state of Missouri,
but I think nationally at the time. You know, if
you were watching movies pop culture had you know men,
they were alpha males or this is what they portrayed
as an alpha male, you know, or they were a
football player, elite athlete, a soldier, a warrior with that
(16:32):
you know, rambo type, you know, like the type of
all them that just you know, they just like didn't
wouldn't shed a tear, and if he did, it was
in the mainlyest possible way, but just took care of
business and and it was as tough as they come, right.
That was the That was how men were shown growing up.
And I played football, which was a very violent sport,
so again there was no time for emotion. If you
have issues with you know, people, go beat them up
(16:54):
or or go hit them hard on the football field.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
It was always physical.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
So there was there was a part of me I
never tapped into, which was the emotional side, and a
lot of men that I am aware of that around
my age didn't tap into it either. Back in the day,
you know. And I say that now, I'm like, back
in the day, I'm.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Like, i mean, how old do you wait? How old
are you? How two? Back in the day when color
TV was you know, come on.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
What can I say that?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
But it's so true because our parents taught, especially the boys,
to suppress the emotion and you know, as well as
either to be healthy, you have to express the emotion
if you will, at least to yourself.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Yeah, and that was that was, you know, big for
me to understand. It also was very freeing. But the
interesting part was actually got harder before it got easier,
because when you have no baseline for emotional intelligence and
you start building upon it, and I mean I had something.
It wasn't like a complete idiot, but I certainly haven't
proved a lot. But the hard part was also you
start realizing all these different emotions and what they feel like,
(17:57):
and so then also actually becomes harder than easier because now, yes,
how I feel this emotion. Now I feel this emotion. Okay,
now like why I can understand why this happened, and
so like it actually brings up a lot and it
becomes very overwhelming. So it's important to obviously be talking
to people, to have a therapist, which I went to.
But then over time it starts to like settle down
and then you feel like you have you know, more control.
(18:19):
But it's it's interesting though the dynamic, like I felt
like I was pushing away people, which rightfully so I
was like, hey, I'm really struggling with my mental health.
So my dating life kind of took a nose dive
because I think, you know again like some women you know,
are like, look, I don't want to like have a project.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
I want a guy.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
That's emotionally available, you know, not but also vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
We want them vulnerable, emotionally available, you know, we want
them to be able to knock buildings over in a single.
You know. We want it all.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
We want it all, Clay, and I want it all too.
So you know it's.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
So, wait, are you dating?
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Not now? Not really at the moment now?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
By choice?
Speaker 4 (19:07):
By choice?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, I'm just not interested or if the right one
comes along, you wouldn't turn your head.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Correct, Yeah, that's I have really high expectations, and I
hope that, you know, I can uphold that for wherever
I meet that goes, oh, hey, like this guy is
you know, all that in a bag of chips.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
That's what I got to ship together.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
That's what I'm hoping for.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
And I think like im, But I also don't feel
I'm not I'm not all the way there yet, which
we never are weever.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
If you the minute you so, the minute you stop
and say I'm complete, I'm finished, you're going to be
six feet underground. So you know, if you're not work
in progress, you're not growing.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
No, it's correct, yeah, exactly, And I know that I'm
not looking for like a perfect person like myself, as
I'm not expecting my like like Okay, Clayton and Clayton,
I'm going to wait for like this perfect moment. No,
I know that I'll always be a work in progress,
but I just feel like there's a few more things
still that I'm trying to just really lock in and
just make sure that I'm like, okay, if it really
stay with where I'm at, I've got I've got a
(20:02):
lot of great.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Things, you know, churning around me. So I'm just like
waiting for.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Tell us, what are these great things? I want to
What do you mean there's that's smart you You can't
say it. You can't say that not expect us to ask.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
I know, I know, but I'll just say that I
have some some very fun things swirling around that that
people will.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Be to do with dancing, something to do with dancing.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
I don't want to get to too specific.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
I'm honestly I hate to be that guy you like,
Oh great, Clayon's like saying I have a secret, but
I can't tell you.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Wait a second, are you going on? Are you going
to dance with the stars? We want to break it
on this podcast.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
If you are that one, I can tell you with
full certainty not I've not heard a single.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Would you do with them?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Of course I would.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I love to dance too.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
And you're going to pay me to dance to.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
What's your favorite what's your free like if you want
to throw some money my way?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
What's your best step clayon? What's your best move? What's
your what's your favorite dance?
Speaker 5 (21:01):
I you know, it's either like the it's called the
my favorite one was called the Smeeze. It's like it's
like a jump style. I don't it's kind of hard
to explain, but it's that or the doggy. You might
you probably you guys have heard the doggie.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I watch you.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I'm telling you don't see my comments my heart.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
No, I follow your stuff, but I just want you
to I'm working on the box step. I've got for
half the waltz down. You know, I'm looking at the
chot chob. I don't know the dog What are you
talking about?
Speaker 4 (21:29):
No? I mean look, I think, I mean, I mean,
how can you not have fun? We were dancing? I mean,
even when you're practicing, you know, obviously the field it's
just so fun, like it's gets you going.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
And to me, it doesn't even matter what I do.
I'm just out there. I feel the beat. I just
dance and if you.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Don't like it, they'll watch.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I don't care that season to motto, No I know.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
And that's why I'm saying, Susan, I've heard I'm like
that you're you're pretty lively when you go out to
these events, you know, the dance floor.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
That I'm one that tell me something you're excited about.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
You know. I think I've just been excited about everything.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Yeah, real life, right, I mean, and I know it's
just kind of a cliche answer, but I but it's
something that I probably wasn't able to say, you know,
for most of my life. So I think, like, right now,
I'm just in a really awesome spot and you know,
excited to see like what comes you know.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Next, let me next.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Yeah, Like there's there's just a lot of you know,
I feel like I have all this, you know, these
good vibes that that I'm just carrying with me right now,
and as long as I stay positive, it seems like
everything around me falls into place.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
So that is that is beautiful. But let me say, Clinton,
I think that what you're saying is so important A
lot of life is your attitude towards it, and you
have such a positive attitude that your life can't help
but go great because you have that positive attitude.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
And do you feel like being on the show and
going through everything that you went through has brought you
to where you are today? Like with if you weren't
ever on Bachelor a Bachelorette, do you think anything would
be different than how you feel about yourself right now?
Speaker 5 (22:59):
That was saying, Yeah, I really do believe that the
show is a major catalyst self love, which is which
is crazy, you know, even crazy for me to say,
because like depended on what point in you know, my
life after the show that you asked me how I
felt about it. I, you know, really hated my experience
for probably a year and a half after the show,
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where I was like, man, I wish I could just
go back and redo it over it. Yeah, But then
I found, you know, like I hit that point they
found the silver lining. I started to be able to
forgive myself and just like give myself grace and and
then started to build back up.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Like I realized at the end of the show.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Again, I didn't anticipate being a polarizing individual, but I was,
so I ultimately had to go, Okay, why am I polarizing?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
What upset people?
Speaker 5 (23:44):
And I found some places in my life areas of
improvement Once I worked on those things, I really I'm like, wait,
I'm actually liking what I'm becoming.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I think you're you think like this, Yeah, I mean
what you're saying, at least what I'm hearing is that
if you hadn't been the bad, you wouldn't have had
the opportunities for growth that you've had to bring you
to the point where you are today. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Absolutely, we have.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
The curly hair and the beautiful teeth.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Smile.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
The Bachelor gave me the the white teeth. They hit
a couple of teeth fighting treats.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
They talked for that.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
The curly hair, I just I always had curlier, I
just didn't put product in it.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
So yeah, so I started like switching things up, Dane.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
You know what's gonna happen. We're going to start getting
DM Susan not for us. They're going to say, hey,
can you hook us up with Clayton. We're gonna we're
on it.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
It sounds to me like you're really really maturing.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Okay, you've hit that spot where your confidence is back,
and it's about you tell me what you think about aging.
How do you feel about that? Because you know that's inevitable.
It does happen to all of us.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
My best years are ahead of me.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
That's the way I love his attitude.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
I mean, how do you'll feel?
Speaker 5 (24:59):
I mean again, like you guys have your live life
and like look at you with what you're doing right now.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
I mean, it just gets gets better and better, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
It keeps getting better. It's I mean the possibility.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, I think Susan and I are are poster children,
poster adults, poster seniors whatever. For life is never over. Uh,
you know, get on enjoy, enjoy who you are.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
You know you guys, you know what you guys really are.
I mean you're, like you said, a poster child. For like,
it's never too late to try something, right. That's that's
let me not you guys to a tea. I mean
that is exactly what you all show people go oh
reality television, You guys are way past that prime point.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
No, you're like, screw that. I'm gonna go do it
because like, get this an opportunity.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
I'm jumping on it and now I think, I mean,
I guarantee you if you guys, I'm sure you've inspired people.
I'm sure you get d ms from people saying like you,
you know, inspired me to.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
To try a new hobby. Right.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Yeah, not going on reality television because that you know,
it's bold to throw yourself out there. But I mean,
you guys have to be truly inspiring multiple people, which
is awesome.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
And the best message to Kathy and I both have
coming off that show was telling women it's not over
at sixty you still have, Like we've both cliver at
seventy season, the last chapter the longest chapter, but the
best chapter because we've done all the work, We've raised kids,
grandkids and so on, and we're true to ourselves at
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this point and anything anything as possible. I'm all about
the universe putting positive and I attract more positive sharing that.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Do you think though, that Clayton from where you are,
Like when I was your age, I looked at my
parents and I thought they were old. I think aging,
not just Susan and I, but I think aging, the
definition of aging is really changed.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Yeah, yeah, well I think nowadays I mean again from
back when my parents were at my age. I mean
there's been all these you know, lifestyle improvements and new
wellness routines that you're able to turn back the clock,
so you know, again like from what my parents back then.
I mean, I always looked at my parents as I
don't even know if I ever attributed an age to them.
They were when I was young, they were just my parents,
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you know, and then I just felt like they stayed
the same age for so many years of my life
until I put a couple of gray hairs on their
head after the whole show myself.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Did they handle everything?
Speaker 5 (27:18):
I mean, my mom is, you know, it tore her
to shreds. I mean, she's she's she's i mean just
very emotional in the best possible way. But she gets
really attached, you know, especially which is awesome to me
and my brothers. Like my mom loves us to death.
Unfortunately whenever like somebody says something poor about us, yeah,
her more than it hurts us. So that was hard
(27:39):
for her, you know. And but she's, you know, as
long as I'm happy, and she sees that, then she's
now happy again, right, So she's she's seeing me, you
know progress, and she's like, Okay, he's in a good spot,
so she's fine.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
My dad, my dad was just like he'll figure what
the hell.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Yeah, my dad was like whatever man doing and he
at first like didn't think it was He acted like
it was wasn't all that.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Was he the guy that need to work on his EQ.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Well you know, he's he surprisingly has a higher Q
than what I gave him credit for. He he just
doesn't express it like he He internally can can vocal
or he can vocalize a very intellectual you know, or
discussion around emotions, but he doesn't. He never he never
speaks up unless like you bring it up to him.
So I found that I'm like, oh, he doesn't talk
about it, but he actually has quite a bit of
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intelligence in that realm.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
He just decides not to have to say anything about it.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
So yeah, I wish I was more like that.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I was just going to say, wait, you're supposed to
be asked for your opinion? Wait what?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Well?
Speaker 5 (28:42):
I know, yeah right, I'm like, maybe that's why they
put us on these shows, because you're like, person won't stop.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Pathy opinion Susann opinion, Now Clayton opinion. Oh no, it's
all coming your way.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
You have a lot in common, as I find out,
like a lot of people that come go on reality television,
you have a lot of commonalities, right, Yeah, your risk takers.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
You're just that's when you try it.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Yeah, you're willing to give it a shot, and you
also likely have some type of very unique personality trade.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
I mean, that's what sells on TV.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
I mean if you have a bunch of people that
sit in a room and they're all just proper and
they're all.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Right, we'll just wait and see. No, like they want
to ring right, like entertaining TV cells.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
And that's why it's extremes, whether it's like a bunch
of happiness or whether it's anger. So I realized them,
like with a TV show again, things seem to be
more dramatic than what they are. They might be dramatic
at that moment, but then afterwards you're like, look, I
can't be that mad at this person. Yeah, there's points
in the past I'm mad at some of the contestants
and they blew that out of a portion.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
But I'm like, no, they're just doing it because it's TV, right,
They're doing their.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Job, right, their job.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah, But the first time on we don't know anything,
we're just being there.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
We are, Yeah, no, but I had I had an
experience with them there.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
I won't say her name, but there was someone that
I ended up like going out on a boat with
with a bunch of other people from the show.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
And this was like before the women tell all for
my season.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
So I'm like talking to her and everything's going great
and we're you know, we're being friendly. And there was
like a week later we got to the Women's tell all,
or it was a couple of weeks later, and she.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Goes at me like full fledged, like you met, you met,
were messing up, Like you could have been so much
better than what you were. And then afterwards, like she
comes out to me and she's like, so, how have
you been? And I was like, what the hell was that?
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Really mean?
Speaker 4 (30:17):
That's just TV. She's like, it's not a big deal,
and I'm like, what.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I mean, let me just say claik. When I said
zip it, I meant it.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
It got me into so much trouble, I mean so
much was like really zip it?
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Yeah exactly. I know. I know. People will take something
and make a mountain out of molehill.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
But you're right. But you know what, I didn't zip
it and I have a podcast, so does it worked
for me?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I do have a personal question though, do you have
a type like a woman?
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Do you think you have?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
It's about sixty eight years old, dark brown hair, spring
back and sayings, and I can dance.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
That's what's gonna come down too. Who can Who can
dance a little? Who's actually not even? Who can dance better?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Just have a Oh wait, wait did you hear that, Susan?
You lose who brings more energy? I have the most energy.
You totally got you dance.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Practicing. All I need is the efforts.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Oh Clayton, I'm telling you this is I've been looking
for him here he is right in my screen.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Well A, we're gonna move on. We're gonna move on
to our fan questions.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I need to give some advice, so.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
We give some advice. All right, go ahead, Susan, give
the go ahead.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Okay, this is from anonymous.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
My husband and I have been married for twelve years
with three young children, ages eight to thirteen.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
We are forty five years old.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
He constantly has a podcast playing in one ear through
an AirPod. He does it at home in the car.
It really bothers me because it makes I am not
present in the moment. I've mentioned it over and over again,
and he always has an excuse. For example, he says,
no one was around, so I'm listening to it. He
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says that being I'm on my phone, so he's like,
I can listen since you're on your phone. He doesn't
initiate conversation ever, it's usually me, help, this is affecting
our marriage, and I don't know what to do or
say to him that I have already I think she
meant have I haven't already.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah, wait before.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Before you answer, Clayton, as long as he's listening to
Golden Hour, we.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Say, is it you guys that are the one that's
putting yea, I give her.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
The other earpieces they check this out off.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
What's turning it up?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
That's what I like it.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Say that.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
I was not anticipating that kind of question either. Okay, look,
I mean communication is key, so I feel that, you know,
she's obviously stated to him that you know, it's something
that she would like for him to do less of.
But I it's it's not really getting across, So she's
gonna have to be a bit more stern in my opinion,
like you're gonna have to really state this is bothering me,
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it's really upsetting me. It's you know, it's it's it's
it's separating us to some degree or you know, and
I feel like we're not able to connect as deeply
as we should be able to. And you know, if
this continues, maybe I kind of lead into like an
outcome based like if this continues, this is what I
can see happening. I don't want that, so raising the stakes.
You know, men are at the end of the day.
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It's like, here's what like directness, like this is what
can happen if this doesn't work out this way, and
then like showing and raising the stakes, making it severe
enough to say, like this is bothering me, right, it.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Sounds like real.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Yeah, I don't think she's brought it up, but she
has like it's not serious enough for him to change
his behavior, so she needs to increase the pain is
not really the right word, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
But but did you notice that that she writes that
he says she's always on her phone. So I'm wondering
if there's a little bit of that too, where he's like,
why not, just you know, I've given up. I'm just
gonna listen to a podcast because she's always on her phone,
and even if that's not true, perception is truth, right.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
But also, like you just said, Clayton, communication is the key.
You get to sit it down, talk about it. This
doesn't work for me when you can't tell him he
can't listen to it at all. But when we're together
and we're driving in the car, we want to have
a conversation. The deal is, I'll put my phone on silent,
you take the thing out of your ear, and we
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are a couple and we'll talk about whatever we need
to talk about.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Right, Yes, boundaries absolutely listen to you, Clayton.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
That was a joint effort set in appropriate bound But
you don't.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Want to jump out and give him an ultimatum, you.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Know, I make it seem that way.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
I think, like though, if it's not registering at some point,
then you have to mistakes per se.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
But yeah, I'm serious, Yeah, like.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
This is serious. I need you to realize this. But also,
I mean, I think you know, you guys brought up
a good point. She may also be doing behavior that
he that he meant like, so I don't like the whole.
Like when you bring up something that bothers you, someone goes, well,
this bothers me that you do this. It's like, hey, no, no, no, no,
Like I'm bringing up what bothers me? If it bothers you,
that tip for tats up is dangerous?
Speaker 4 (35:25):
What makes up?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
We're I'm I'm going to hang out all all the
dirty laundry. Wait, but I have a question. You guys
are overthinking this. If it were me and my husband,
it just takes damn I your pods and hide.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
That's going to cause a ruckus.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
To you know, listen, you know how guys get when
the second they misplaced their keys, they start running around
that where are damn headphones?
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
See these?
Speaker 3 (35:57):
You gotta please me first before you get these. Yeah,
make it interesting.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Jesus said she should try it.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Exactly to say she should try it. We gave her
a few options so she can.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Take Yes, So Anonymous, I hope we have helped you.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah, let us know, let us know. It's still hard. Okay, Clayton.
We we've gotten to know you a little bit better
and we want to open the floor up to you.
Do you have any questions for us. You must want
to know something. Yeah, and I'm not busy next Friday.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Okay, yeah, perfect, I'll be out.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
No, I'm not that damn it. I'm in Austin, Texas.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Oh, that's an awesome spot.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Actually is going to Austin if it wasn't if my
brothers that live in Scotts still Austin was an not
a spot that I was.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
I love Scotts Stale too, though.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
I mean, I can't be it can't be either. I
do actually want to know. It's probably been asked, maybe,
but what do you what? What was the most surprising
aspect of going on reality TV for the both of you?
Speaker 3 (36:55):
The most surprising.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Like the thing that's okay, it's a two part question.
What surprised you the most? And what is like? What
was your biggest lesson that you learned from it? Wow?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Well it's easy for me. I don't know. I thought
I didn't think an answer.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Go ahead, Susan, I don't think I learned any lessons, okay?
Speaker 3 (37:18):
And why?
Speaker 4 (37:19):
And why? Is that?
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Because you feel that you were already so prepped from
like just previous.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
I was unapologetically authentically me okay, and people like that
I mean, I made friends, and that was the best
thing to come out of the show. That I made good,
good friends, and I looked at people and watched and
learned how people react to different things. So it was
a learning experience. But to bring something out of it,
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I don't know that I could answer that one.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Can you?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Kathy?
Speaker 5 (37:50):
For me?
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Susan and I are both who we are, and I
think that's people that will like it or don't. We
can somewhat be polarizing to our audiences because they either
love us or don't. And I'm okay with that. I
think for me, I've always been a pretty confident person,
and I think being on Golden I realized that I
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really am okay with myself. You know, my my husband
had passed away and so I had gone through a
lot of trauma over that.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
But but going to know that going in that you
were okay.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
With yourself, Well, I've said many times Golden, I am
so grateful for being on the show because it really
helped heal me. It brought me back to who I was,
and I didn't realize I guess that's what I'm trying
to say. I didn't realize how far I had strayed
from uh because because of what I went through. So
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going on that show and feeling alive, feeling alive and
I'm okay and I'm a good person and life is
for the living, I think it just underscored the importance
of life for me. And I don't know if that's
really what you're looking for, but I just I'm just
just I am a joyful person and I think i'd
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lost some of that after my husband died. So I
will always be grateful to the Golden to the Bachelor
franchise for for giving me happiness bringing me back to life.
All Right, well, listen, this has been.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
I don't want to end this up. I'm having a
good time.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
It was you. You are every bit Susan. I've been
dying to have you on the podcast. You did not disappoint.
You are amazing, amazing, And you're in l A. You're
not in Arizona, right and that's your home base. Yes,
you're in Scottsdale or where we're coming out.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Let me just say, you're going to try to not
have fun here, so the three of us and Scott still,
that's just gonna be. They're gonna have to shut the
city down, send me your number.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
I'll text you when we're on our way.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Let me just say, Clayton. The other thing is Susan.
I can't believe this may be the first podcast that
she hasn't said, so let me say it for her.
Should you find miss right, Susan would be delighted to
officiate your wedding, for she's that capability. Yes she does.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
And you didn't watch our show, Clayton, really.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Listen, I I Clayton. I hardly even watched my own season.
I had to. I had to watch enough of it.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
She Susan married Gary and Teresa and I got to
do the color commentary with Jesse Palmer.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Best event of my life so much.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
You have to hang out with Jesse because that's my
That's like my big I love him.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Can I tell you I love that guy? He's uh
my son just real quickly. My son turned forty uh
this year, and for two years my son has been
asking me to have Jesse sign an autograph for him.
And so my son played college lacrosse, so I had
this lacrossball and he's got you're not old enough, but
he has Craig Bigio second basement for the Houston Astros
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and Clyde Drexler who played for the Houston Rockets and
now he has Jesse Palmer's signature on that and crossball.
So that guy, yeah, that guy is golden in my book.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
You absolutely are the best. Thank you so much for
joining us today. We had some fun with him, and
ladies and gentlemen out there listening. You have to look
at this man. He's so beautiful. Okay, Susan, get over
inside and out. Yeah, your taking you're taking weekly occurrence.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Let's make us a week.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
I appreciate that. Listen. If you enjoyed this episode with Clayton,
you need to check out our episodes because we have
them coming out every week. Lots of new guests coming
up you won't want to miss.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
And make sure to submit those questions because just like
Clayton did, we gave some advice somebody else, we will
tell what we think you know how to do it.
Go to Bachelor Nation dot com, slash Golden Hour, or
dm us on Instagram at Bachelor Happy Hour.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Listen to Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour on the iHeart
Radio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Until next time,
have a great week.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Yeah,
Welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hours, Golden Hour. Thanks for
joining us. We're so excited to be back today. How
are you doing, Susan.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I'm very excited to be back and chat with everybody,
and boy, do we have somebody special today. But make
sure you guys are still checking out our latest episode.
We've been having a ton of fun answer and the questions,
chatting with our Bachelor Nation fans and giving out the
dish and our advice.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
We're never short of that, okay, But today the Goldens
have arrived in Paradise. We got to talk about it. Wow,
what did you think?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
So exciting coming in? So good to see everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I'm telling you riding in on that boat. Yes, it
was great, but oh my god, we got to talk
about what happened.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I mean, everybody looked fabulous coming in there. Can I
just say everybody looked their best and the surprised look
on all the youngers.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
I think they were surprised.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
It was a great moment. It was a great moment.
Can we go right to the bat, Kathy? Seriously? What
the hell?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Okay, let me just say, Susan, you know cockroad, just mosquitoes, flies, snakes.
I'm good with that. You put a bat anywhere near
me in the little room, I know, I mean, and
there it was. It just oh, I was, I was.
I was so scared. Thank you, Parisa.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
You were fucking like it was coming. There it did,
it was coming.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
After a min and god bless Jackie stayed in there
and he's walking around in circles. I'm like, jack really,
you think you're gonna catch it? Open the door and
then somebody fuck it was Paris.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
She was, yeah, okay, but we got to talk about
the drama. Susie.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Oh, oh my god, like I was crying. I mean,
he loves her.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
He loves her, It's so clear to I mean, I
don't know. They didn't tell me, but it appears from
watching that he loves her. And the shock on her face.
I just and she didn't want it. I mean, no,
I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure it was a
great idea to put those two together so close after
(02:16):
their breakup, but you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I mean, I wasn't there yet.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
So I'm watching it with the rest of you guys, right,
you know, the Goldens hadn't arrived when all that mess
was going on. But I've got to talk about Jeremy
and Bailey. I mean, listen, when, first of all, did
you catch the lie? Like Jeremy, I'm sorry, buddy, I'm
throwing the bus.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Her eyes, boy, she's looking right through him, like yeah, right, But.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
He says she goes the night before, or according to
her on the show, she says she committed to him.
I love you, We're together. This is after he's had
his date with Susie. The next day, twenty four hours later, Sure,
I loved out with you, Andrew. I don't blame Jeremy
for being pissed off. I don't. And what does a
(03:05):
grown man do when he's pissed off?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Calls the next one? Is that not typical?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Oh? It typical? But I mean he said I gave
the rose to I wish I'd given it to Susie. No,
he was just mad, and in my opinion, rightfully. So
Bailey's committed to him. And within twenty four hours, Sure, Andrew,
I'd love to go on a date. And as they
say in upstate New York, not for nothing. She looked
(03:35):
like she had a great time with him, almost more
fun than she was having with Jeremy. With Andrew, she
was having a great time with him.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
What about Jonathan, Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And Jill my heart Wait, who's your heart for Jill
or Jonathan?
Speaker 2 (03:54):
Well, Jonathan had given Alex the rose, yeah, the second
one right, yeah, but when she was sharing with him,
like let's be friends.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I mean, but Jill what. I felt sorry for Jill.
He said to Jill something like you're giving me pause.
I would think, hey, maybe he does feel something for me,
and then he's like, yeah, your friend zone, your friend zone.
I felt sorry for Jill. That poor girl could not
catch a good day.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
And Ali Joe just got there and she's so darn pretty. No,
we had her on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
I just love her, love her off. She goes like,
come for a minute, and there you're gone.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
It's Susie gone, Lexi gone. What about Lexi with Justin
Oh my god. I mean I felt sorry for her too.
She knew, like you could just see it. She was
so careful to not want to get hurt and bam
she gets it as well.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I mean, we know her, right, we love her. I mean,
she's doing great. We had her on the podcast. We've
also talked to her. When I saw her in the
way she was looking and talking about people. It almost
felt like, where's really you? Just open up and be authentic,
be you that she was faking anything, nothing like that.
(05:13):
She just like, yeah, she wasn't comfortable.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, I think she's more reserved. Okay, I just have
to ask a general I know we don't have a
lot of time to go over this, but I have
to say, as a Golden, as a Golden who was
on the show, and as a golden who is your friend,
and just as an English major, what the hell is
with the word vibing? I mean, if I had a
nickel for every time they said vibing last night, the
(05:39):
vibe I'm vibing, Well, we're vibing, vibing, vibing, Like, what
the hell? It's a noun, it's an adjective, it's a verb.
I mean, Susan, what does it mean? What is it?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Vibe? You're like connecting, Yes, you're connecting, but that's like
hooking up.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Oh god, I mean the vibe the vibe here is
really hot. We're vibing. I mean I sat there going.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
The vibe here is really hot and steamy, like the
golden snow. I know what it means. I'm just saying, yeah, Okay,
I know what the word means.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I'm saying it's it's like using the word like vibe
has taken over the word on.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
That's a new word.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Now we cannot end this today before we get into
our episode without the secret?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Do you want to share? Okay, Susan, do you think
you were going to stand up? I really didn't. I'm waiting.
I'm waiting, I'm waiting.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Okay, I'm just going to tell you this was Kathy's
biggest coup she's ever made in life.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
When we started that whole no how innocent and pure,
got married out of high school.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
We know she needs some experience.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
That's when we heard that.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
When America heard this, susand what you.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
See the faces on the young people, Oh my god,
Kathy and Jesse's face. Now, do you want the truth?
The truth is I want? When Jesse said it was
going to be a great prize, I thought, I want
to win this prize. So what did I do? I thought, Okay,
I've got to make up a secret that the young
ones will vote for and what a young ones want
(07:16):
to talk about and think about sex. So Kathy was
very careful in her word choice. I didn't say husband
because then they would know it was a golden I
didn't say child because you know there's no sex involved
in that. So I said I slept with someone when
my partner was in the other room. The partner was
my husband, Darryl. The other person was my two years
(07:39):
at the time two year old son, Douglas, who was
throwing his guts up and my husband, I said, go
go sleep in another room. I got this, I'll take
care of it. So I was sleeping with a child
who was projectile vomiting and my husband was sleeping the
other room.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
We're going to have to make a public statement, Kathy,
because the world thinks just when I played never have
you ever? And I kissed the girl when I was eighteen,
here it was have you had sex with a woman?
Not paying attention? I ate my ice cream? It was
like I needed a public announcement.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Were you shocked? Were you shocked when you heard it?
Because you know me, oh?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Absolutely? So I was like, are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 4 (08:18):
But I'm I.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Can't wait to the next one. And watching April hook
up with Jack was so fun.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Oh my god, can I just tell you before we
get into the episode, I have to tell you I
missed that. I don't know where I was, Oh, you know,
probably creating my story. I don't know where I was.
But when I ever saw that last night hooking up
with Jack, do you not think my fingers dialed her
rapidly on the phone. Oh yes they did.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
This is great.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Can't wait to the next one.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
And we better get back to the episode before we
devote this.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Whole podcast on us.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
All right, let's go. Please welcome the formal Clayton eckered. Hi, Clayton,
Welcome to Golden Hour. And before we get started, can
I please have your curly hair and your gorgeous set
of dimples?
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Please, Hike, Clayton, how are you?
Speaker 5 (09:12):
I am doing great, artie, and you know what, I'm
looking forward to this. I heard that you guys were
ready well conversation that I need to to prep for it.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
So, I mean you are easy on the eyes, Clayton,
you are easy.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
On tell I just want to dance with you, babe,
That's all I watched the time.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Yes, we're going to make it first.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I heard that you guys are both the lives of
the parties.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Yes, and while Susan stands in with you, Clayton, I'm
going to be doing the deep knee bends with you
to see how my knees are feeling.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
So yeah, you might beat me. Honestly, my knees are
pretty shot.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
From I know. I watched the whole thing about you
injecting your knees. Are you doing better?
Speaker 4 (09:51):
You know?
Speaker 5 (09:52):
I feel like it maybe isn't working as well as
I thought. So Unfortunately, we're about thirty degree k ne
ben be on that point, it's it's the danger zone.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Do we want to know? Do we want to ask?
What's new? Like what happens if that that's Are we
looking at knee replacement because Susan and I have really
cute nursing caps and we're available.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Okay, you guys a little bit of a discount.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Well, I'll have you up and walking.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Trust me, my knees won't be fixed. About everything else,
that's right.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
You'll be up to show.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Break my heart. I bet to be a heartbreaker. You wouldn't.
You wouldn't say my heart.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
She's taking she's in love.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
But just tell me one thing about you right now?
What's new with you? What's besides the knee besides.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Honestly, I mean, I'm just I'm I'm just in a
really great place right now.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
You know, I think I love that.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Mentally, I've I've really come into really just finding what
works for me and and I've been happy. And my
parents are just bought a house out here in Found
Fountain Hills, Arizona.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Nice. I have my whole family out in Arizona now,
so that's exciting.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Where are you from originally, though you're not from Arizona?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Are you Missouri so much?
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I thought?
Speaker 5 (11:07):
Yeah, yeah, my two brothers came out here a couple
of years before me.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
And then my parents.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
You know, my mom's she she just well she she
was retired as of like a year ago. My dad
just retired, so they wanted to be closer to.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
Us, which is yeah. So all right, So before we
get into the fun stuff, we the elephant in the room,
if you don't mind us asking. We heard that your
false paternity case has closed and we which were thrilled
for you. But how did it feel or how is
it felt going through something so personal and having to
(11:40):
go through it so publicly. Again, only if you're comfortable.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Yeah, yeah, and absolutely I appreciate you asking.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
I you know, I think at this point, I've gotten
so used to just not having privacy.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
But it's not like in a bad way.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
I just I think for me, I'm like, look, if
I'm just me and I'm as authentic as I can be,
you know, maybe sometimes I'm too honest for my own good,
but I feel like as long as I can just
be real, then ultimately it all work out. So I
didn't plan, obviously for people to know more about my
uh you know, the intimate aspects of my life.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
But that's just the way that it is.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Do you get affected at all by the comments that
people put on social media?
Speaker 5 (12:18):
I did it first when I first came off like
the Bachelor. Yeah, of course I was a big time
people pleaser. But I've really worked on that aspect of
me and I just really don't care about the majority
of people's opinions now, so good for you.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
I have self love and self confidence.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
So no, so now when I see them, I I mean,
maybe again, well do they maybe?
Speaker 4 (12:38):
Will? They will? They annoy me slightly, but like why
lose sleep over them?
Speaker 5 (12:42):
No?
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Do I think about them more than a couple of seconds.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
No?
Speaker 3 (12:45):
So, but you did it one time? Is that what
you're telling me.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
All ye, I was eaten alive by the comments, you
know at first.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I mean, so tell me how have you moved forward
from being the bad guy? Like how do you do it?
Because I will tell you some people from Golden have
not have really struggled being seen as bad people, and
you know it affects us, all right.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah, I think you have to.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
I mean, at least what worked for me is to
be introspective, so to go with them and figure out
exactly who I was, because for a while, again I
was just trying to pease everybody that I was around,
being a people pleaser.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I like that version of me.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
So what I did was I started to go internal
and say, Okay, who am I and who do I
want to be? You know, and I'm not really being
the person that I actually want to be. The real
version of me has been suppressed. So in the last
couple of years, I've been able to like really tap
into like my creativity and just the parts of me
that I was always fearful of judgment from others. Once
you figure out who you are and and you stand
(13:45):
by it and you're confident, I mean, it doesn't really
matter what everyone else thinks at that point, so I
found like, yeah, once I found love in myself, I
was like, look, I don't care then what you think
about me, because this version of me I love, and
then the right people love that.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Not only handsome.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Is that the dance?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
He said, the guy's hands and he can dance and
he's prophetic. It's amazing.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Oh thank you. Yeah, no, I just the dancing. Yes,
was a big part of like my rebirth. That was
actually the word that I chose for twenty twenty four.
Every year I like to choose a word to focus on,
but that was the word that I chose for last year.
I'm like, look, I want to be reborn into the
real version of me, the version of me that I
really enjoy being, not you know, the facade that I'm
trying to you know, hold for everyone to go, oh,
(14:27):
that's the that's the bachelor, right.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
I pushed a lot of that pressure on me.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
I was like, the bachelor, you know, the most sought
after man in America, the you know, he's the sweetheart,
he's he can do no wrong. That's what I placed
on my shoulders. And that's just I mean, you can't have.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
To be real. You have to be real true to
yourself right.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Now, I am and people, yeah, I know too much
about me, but I'm like, well that is what it is.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, but you know what, you have a real smile
on your face now, and that's that's genuine.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
So you're bringing out too because you got I can
just tell balls of energy like we and when you
guys are to gather, I can't.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Image how, oh my god, we start a party.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
That's awesome.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
So you guys, I mean obviously I would assume, I mean,
you're doing the podcast, but you guys are now going
on a cruise, like you guys have formed a pretty
solidified relationship, which is awesome.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
How about you whoever you're still friends with?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
There you go.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Yeah, so I would say my closest friends Brandon Jones.
So you know from the when I was on The Bachelorette,
you know Michelle's season. Yeah, he but I liked a
lot of those guys from that season, you know, like
there's there's Rodney, Nate, you know, I've I've hung out
with a few of them. Of course, some of them
have now serious girlfriends and they're in that stage of
their lives. So you don't hear from this module and also,
(15:36):
I mean I I not just to put that on them.
I also am one of those individuals that you may
not hear from me for a few months and then
I come out of the woodworks. That's just the way
that I operate. You know, my friends, Clinton's just doing
a thing for a few months, He'll be back.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
So one of the things that when I was reading
up on you, Clayton, because you know, I like to
know who I'm dancing with, dancing with, get it. So
you're you do a lot of and now hearing you
talk doesn't surprise me. You do a lot of talk
about mental health for men, and you give talk. Can
(16:08):
you talk a little bit about that?
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Yeah, I just think that at least the way you know,
when I was raised, the environment that I was raised within,
and I think not even just within the state of Missouri,
but I think nationally at the time. You know, if
you were watching movies pop culture had you know men,
they were alpha males or this is what they portrayed
as an alpha male, you know, or they were a
football player, elite athlete, a soldier, a warrior with that
(16:32):
you know, rambo type, you know, like the type of
all them that just you know, they just like didn't
wouldn't shed a tear, and if he did, it was
in the mainlyest possible way, but just took care of
business and and it was as tough as they come, right.
That was the That was how men were shown growing up.
And I played football, which was a very violent sport,
so again there was no time for emotion. If you
have issues with you know, people, go beat them up
(16:54):
or or go hit them hard on the football field.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
It was always physical.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
So there was there was a part of me I
never tapped into, which was the emotional side, and a
lot of men that I am aware of that around
my age didn't tap into it either. Back in the day,
you know. And I say that now, I'm like, back
in the day, I'm.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Like, i mean, how old do you wait? How old
are you? How two? Back in the day when color
TV was you know, come on.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
What can I say that?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
But it's so true because our parents taught, especially the boys,
to suppress the emotion and you know, as well as
either to be healthy, you have to express the emotion
if you will, at least to yourself.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Yeah, and that was that was, you know, big for
me to understand. It also was very freeing. But the
interesting part was actually got harder before it got easier,
because when you have no baseline for emotional intelligence and
you start building upon it, and I mean I had something.
It wasn't like a complete idiot, but I certainly haven't
proved a lot. But the hard part was also you
start realizing all these different emotions and what they feel like,
(17:57):
and so then also actually becomes harder than easier because now, yes,
how I feel this emotion. Now I feel this emotion. Okay,
now like why I can understand why this happened, and
so like it actually brings up a lot and it
becomes very overwhelming. So it's important to obviously be talking
to people, to have a therapist, which I went to.
But then over time it starts to like settle down
and then you feel like you have you know, more control.
(18:19):
But it's it's interesting though the dynamic, like I felt
like I was pushing away people, which rightfully so I
was like, hey, I'm really struggling with my mental health.
So my dating life kind of took a nose dive
because I think, you know again like some women you know,
are like, look, I don't want to like have a project.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
I want a guy.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
That's emotionally available, you know, not but also vulnerable.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
We want them vulnerable, emotionally available, you know, we want
them to be able to knock buildings over in a single.
You know. We want it all.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
We want it all, Clay, and I want it all too.
So you know it's.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
So, wait, are you dating?
Speaker 4 (19:03):
Not now? Not really at the moment now?
Speaker 3 (19:06):
By choice?
Speaker 4 (19:07):
By choice?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, I'm just not interested or if the right one
comes along, you wouldn't turn your head.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Correct, Yeah, that's I have really high expectations, and I
hope that, you know, I can uphold that for wherever
I meet that goes, oh, hey, like this guy is
you know, all that in a bag of chips.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
That's what I got to ship together.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
That's what I'm hoping for.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
And I think like im, But I also don't feel
I'm not I'm not all the way there yet, which
we never are weever.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
If you the minute you so, the minute you stop
and say I'm complete, I'm finished, you're going to be
six feet underground. So you know, if you're not work
in progress, you're not growing.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
No, it's correct, yeah, exactly, And I know that I'm
not looking for like a perfect person like myself, as
I'm not expecting my like like Okay, Clayton and Clayton,
I'm going to wait for like this perfect moment. No,
I know that I'll always be a work in progress,
but I just feel like there's a few more things
still that I'm trying to just really lock in and
just make sure that I'm like, okay, if it really
stay with where I'm at, I've got I've got a
(20:02):
lot of great.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Things, you know, churning around me. So I'm just like
waiting for.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Tell us, what are these great things? I want to
What do you mean there's that's smart you You can't
say it. You can't say that not expect us to ask.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
I know, I know, but I'll just say that I
have some some very fun things swirling around that that
people will.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Be to do with dancing, something to do with dancing.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
I don't want to get to too specific.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
I'm honestly I hate to be that guy you like,
Oh great, Clayon's like saying I have a secret, but
I can't tell you.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Wait a second, are you going on? Are you going
to dance with the stars? We want to break it
on this podcast.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
If you are that one, I can tell you with
full certainty not I've not heard a single.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Would you do with them?
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Of course I would.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I love to dance too.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
And you're going to pay me to dance to.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
What's your favorite what's your free like if you want
to throw some money my way?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
What's your best step clayon? What's your best move? What's
your what's your favorite dance?
Speaker 5 (21:01):
I you know, it's either like the it's called the
my favorite one was called the Smeeze. It's like it's
like a jump style. I don't it's kind of hard
to explain, but it's that or the doggy. You might
you probably you guys have heard the doggie.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
I watch you.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I'm telling you don't see my comments my heart.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
No, I follow your stuff, but I just want you
to I'm working on the box step. I've got for
half the waltz down. You know, I'm looking at the
chot chob. I don't know the dog What are you
talking about?
Speaker 4 (21:29):
No? I mean look, I think, I mean, I mean,
how can you not have fun? We were dancing? I mean,
even when you're practicing, you know, obviously the field it's
just so fun, like it's gets you going.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
And to me, it doesn't even matter what I do.
I'm just out there. I feel the beat. I just
dance and if you.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Don't like it, they'll watch.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I don't care that season to motto, No I know.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
And that's why I'm saying, Susan, I've heard I'm like
that you're you're pretty lively when you go out to
these events, you know, the dance floor.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
That I'm one that tell me something you're excited about.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
You know. I think I've just been excited about everything.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Yeah, real life, right, I mean, and I know it's
just kind of a cliche answer, but I but it's
something that I probably wasn't able to say, you know,
for most of my life. So I think, like, right now,
I'm just in a really awesome spot and you know,
excited to see like what comes you know.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Next, let me next.
Speaker 5 (22:17):
Yeah, Like there's there's just a lot of you know,
I feel like I have all this, you know, these
good vibes that that I'm just carrying with me right now,
and as long as I stay positive, it seems like
everything around me falls into place.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
So that is that is beautiful. But let me say, Clinton,
I think that what you're saying is so important A
lot of life is your attitude towards it, and you
have such a positive attitude that your life can't help
but go great because you have that positive attitude.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
And do you feel like being on the show and
going through everything that you went through has brought you
to where you are today? Like with if you weren't
ever on Bachelor a Bachelorette, do you think anything would
be different than how you feel about yourself right now?
Speaker 5 (22:59):
That was saying, Yeah, I really do believe that the
show is a major catalyst self love, which is which
is crazy, you know, even crazy for me to say,
because like depended on what point in you know, my
life after the show that you asked me how I
felt about it. I, you know, really hated my experience
for probably a year and a half after the show,
(23:20):
where I was like, man, I wish I could just
go back and redo it over it. Yeah, But then
I found, you know, like I hit that point they
found the silver lining. I started to be able to
forgive myself and just like give myself grace and and
then started to build back up.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Like I realized at the end of the show.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Again, I didn't anticipate being a polarizing individual, but I was,
so I ultimately had to go, Okay, why am I polarizing?
Speaker 4 (23:43):
What upset people?
Speaker 5 (23:44):
And I found some places in my life areas of
improvement Once I worked on those things, I really I'm like, wait,
I'm actually liking what I'm becoming.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
I think you're you think like this, Yeah, I mean
what you're saying, at least what I'm hearing is that
if you hadn't been the bad, you wouldn't have had
the opportunities for growth that you've had to bring you
to the point where you are today. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Absolutely, we have.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
The curly hair and the beautiful teeth.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Smile.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
The Bachelor gave me the the white teeth. They hit
a couple of teeth fighting treats.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
They talked for that.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
The curly hair, I just I always had curlier, I
just didn't put product in it.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
So yeah, so I started like switching things up, Dane.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
You know what's gonna happen. We're going to start getting
DM Susan not for us. They're going to say, hey,
can you hook us up with Clayton. We're gonna we're
on it.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
It sounds to me like you're really really maturing.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Okay, you've hit that spot where your confidence is back,
and it's about you tell me what you think about aging.
How do you feel about that? Because you know that's inevitable.
It does happen to all of us.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
My best years are ahead of me.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
That's the way I love his attitude.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
I mean, how do you'll feel?
Speaker 5 (24:59):
I mean again, like you guys have your live life
and like look at you with what you're doing right now.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
I mean, it just gets gets better and better, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
It keeps getting better. It's I mean the possibility.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
Yeah, I think Susan and I are are poster children,
poster adults, poster seniors whatever. For life is never over. Uh,
you know, get on enjoy, enjoy who you are.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
You know you guys, you know what you guys really are.
I mean you're, like you said, a poster child. For like,
it's never too late to try something, right. That's that's
let me not you guys to a tea. I mean
that is exactly what you all show people go oh
reality television, You guys are way past that prime point.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
No, you're like, screw that. I'm gonna go do it
because like, get this an opportunity.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
I'm jumping on it and now I think, I mean,
I guarantee you if you guys, I'm sure you've inspired people.
I'm sure you get d ms from people saying like you,
you know, inspired me to.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
To try a new hobby. Right.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Yeah, not going on reality television because that you know,
it's bold to throw yourself out there. But I mean,
you guys have to be truly inspiring multiple people, which
is awesome.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
And the best message to Kathy and I both have
coming off that show was telling women it's not over
at sixty you still have, Like we've both cliver at
seventy season, the last chapter the longest chapter, but the
best chapter because we've done all the work, We've raised kids,
grandkids and so on, and we're true to ourselves at
(26:19):
this point and anything anything as possible. I'm all about
the universe putting positive and I attract more positive sharing that.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Do you think though, that Clayton from where you are,
Like when I was your age, I looked at my
parents and I thought they were old. I think aging,
not just Susan and I, but I think aging, the
definition of aging is really changed.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Yeah, yeah, well I think nowadays I mean again from
back when my parents were at my age. I mean
there's been all these you know, lifestyle improvements and new
wellness routines that you're able to turn back the clock,
so you know, again like from what my parents back then.
I mean, I always looked at my parents as I
don't even know if I ever attributed an age to them.
They were when I was young, they were just my parents,
(27:08):
you know, and then I just felt like they stayed
the same age for so many years of my life
until I put a couple of gray hairs on their
head after the whole show myself.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Did they handle everything?
Speaker 5 (27:18):
I mean, my mom is, you know, it tore her
to shreds. I mean, she's she's she's i mean just
very emotional in the best possible way. But she gets
really attached, you know, especially which is awesome to me
and my brothers. Like my mom loves us to death.
Unfortunately whenever like somebody says something poor about us, yeah,
her more than it hurts us. So that was hard
(27:39):
for her, you know. And but she's, you know, as
long as I'm happy, and she sees that, then she's
now happy again, right, So she's she's seeing me, you
know progress, and she's like, Okay, he's in a good spot,
so she's fine.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
My dad, my dad was just like he'll figure what
the hell.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Yeah, my dad was like whatever man doing and he
at first like didn't think it was He acted like
it was wasn't all that.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Was he the guy that need to work on his EQ.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Well you know, he's he surprisingly has a higher Q
than what I gave him credit for. He he just
doesn't express it like he He internally can can vocal
or he can vocalize a very intellectual you know, or
discussion around emotions, but he doesn't. He never he never
speaks up unless like you bring it up to him.
So I found that I'm like, oh, he doesn't talk
about it, but he actually has quite a bit of
(28:26):
intelligence in that realm.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
He just decides not to have to say anything about it.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
So yeah, I wish I was more like that.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I was just going to say, wait, you're supposed to
be asked for your opinion? Wait what?
Speaker 4 (28:42):
Well?
Speaker 5 (28:42):
I know, yeah right, I'm like, maybe that's why they
put us on these shows, because you're like, person won't stop.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Pathy opinion Susann opinion, Now Clayton opinion. Oh no, it's
all coming your way.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
You have a lot in common, as I find out,
like a lot of people that come go on reality television,
you have a lot of commonalities, right, Yeah, your risk takers.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
You're just that's when you try it.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Yeah, you're willing to give it a shot, and you
also likely have some type of very unique personality trade.
Speaker 4 (29:09):
I mean, that's what sells on TV.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
I mean if you have a bunch of people that
sit in a room and they're all just proper and
they're all.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Right, we'll just wait and see. No, like they want
to ring right, like entertaining TV cells.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
And that's why it's extremes, whether it's like a bunch
of happiness or whether it's anger. So I realized them,
like with a TV show again, things seem to be
more dramatic than what they are. They might be dramatic
at that moment, but then afterwards you're like, look, I
can't be that mad at this person. Yeah, there's points
in the past I'm mad at some of the contestants
and they blew that out of a portion.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
But I'm like, no, they're just doing it because it's TV, right,
They're doing their.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Job, right, their job.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah, But the first time on we don't know anything,
we're just being there.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
We are, Yeah, no, but I had I had an
experience with them there.
Speaker 5 (29:47):
I won't say her name, but there was someone that
I ended up like going out on a boat with
with a bunch of other people from the show.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
And this was like before the women tell all for
my season.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
So I'm like talking to her and everything's going great
and we're you know, we're being friendly. And there was
like a week later we got to the Women's tell all,
or it was a couple of weeks later, and she.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Goes at me like full fledged, like you met, you met,
were messing up, Like you could have been so much
better than what you were. And then afterwards, like she
comes out to me and she's like, so, how have
you been? And I was like, what the hell was that?
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Really mean?
Speaker 4 (30:17):
That's just TV. She's like, it's not a big deal,
and I'm like, what.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I mean, let me just say claik. When I said
zip it, I meant it.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
It got me into so much trouble, I mean so
much was like really zip it?
Speaker 4 (30:30):
Yeah exactly. I know. I know. People will take something
and make a mountain out of molehill.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
But you're right. But you know what, I didn't zip
it and I have a podcast, so does it worked
for me?
Speaker 2 (30:48):
I do have a personal question though, do you have
a type like a woman?
Speaker 3 (30:53):
Do you think you have?
Speaker 1 (30:54):
It's about sixty eight years old, dark brown hair, spring
back and sayings, and I can dance.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
That's what's gonna come down too. Who can Who can
dance a little? Who's actually not even? Who can dance better?
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Just have a Oh wait, wait did you hear that, Susan?
You lose who brings more energy? I have the most energy.
You totally got you dance.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Practicing. All I need is the efforts.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Oh Clayton, I'm telling you this is I've been looking
for him here he is right in my screen.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Well A, we're gonna move on. We're gonna move on
to our fan questions.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I need to give some advice, so.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
We give some advice. All right, go ahead, Susan, give
the go ahead.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Okay, this is from anonymous.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
My husband and I have been married for twelve years
with three young children, ages eight to thirteen.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
We are forty five years old.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
He constantly has a podcast playing in one ear through
an AirPod. He does it at home in the car.
It really bothers me because it makes I am not
present in the moment. I've mentioned it over and over again,
and he always has an excuse. For example, he says,
no one was around, so I'm listening to it. He
(32:11):
says that being I'm on my phone, so he's like,
I can listen since you're on your phone. He doesn't
initiate conversation ever, it's usually me, help, this is affecting
our marriage, and I don't know what to do or
say to him that I have already I think she
meant have I haven't already.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah, wait before.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Before you answer, Clayton, as long as he's listening to
Golden Hour, we.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Say, is it you guys that are the one that's
putting yea, I give her.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
The other earpieces they check this out off.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
What's turning it up?
Speaker 1 (32:50):
That's what I like it.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Say that.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
I was not anticipating that kind of question either. Okay, look,
I mean communication is key, so I feel that, you know,
she's obviously stated to him that you know, it's something
that she would like for him to do less of.
But I it's it's not really getting across, So she's
gonna have to be a bit more stern in my opinion,
like you're gonna have to really state this is bothering me,
(33:16):
it's really upsetting me. It's you know, it's it's it's
it's separating us to some degree or you know, and
I feel like we're not able to connect as deeply
as we should be able to. And you know, if
this continues, maybe I kind of lead into like an
outcome based like if this continues, this is what I
can see happening. I don't want that, so raising the stakes.
You know, men are at the end of the day.
(33:37):
It's like, here's what like directness, like this is what
can happen if this doesn't work out this way, and
then like showing and raising the stakes, making it severe
enough to say, like this is bothering me, right, it.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Sounds like real.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Yeah, I don't think she's brought it up, but she
has like it's not serious enough for him to change
his behavior, so she needs to increase the pain is
not really the right word, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
But but did you notice that that she writes that
he says she's always on her phone. So I'm wondering
if there's a little bit of that too, where he's like,
why not, just you know, I've given up. I'm just
gonna listen to a podcast because she's always on her phone,
and even if that's not true, perception is truth, right.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
But also, like you just said, Clayton, communication is the key.
You get to sit it down, talk about it. This
doesn't work for me when you can't tell him he
can't listen to it at all. But when we're together
and we're driving in the car, we want to have
a conversation. The deal is, I'll put my phone on silent,
you take the thing out of your ear, and we
(34:38):
are a couple and we'll talk about whatever we need
to talk about.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
Right, Yes, boundaries absolutely listen to you, Clayton.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
That was a joint effort set in appropriate bound But
you don't.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Want to jump out and give him an ultimatum, you.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Know, I make it seem that way.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
I think, like though, if it's not registering at some point,
then you have to mistakes per se.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
But yeah, I'm serious, Yeah, like.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
This is serious. I need you to realize this. But also,
I mean, I think you know, you guys brought up
a good point. She may also be doing behavior that
he that he meant like, so I don't like the whole.
Like when you bring up something that bothers you, someone goes, well,
this bothers me that you do this. It's like, hey, no, no, no, no,
Like I'm bringing up what bothers me? If it bothers you,
that tip for tats up is dangerous?
Speaker 4 (35:25):
What makes up?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
We're I'm I'm going to hang out all all the
dirty laundry. Wait, but I have a question. You guys
are overthinking this. If it were me and my husband,
it just takes damn I your pods and hide.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
That's going to cause a ruckus.
Speaker 5 (35:45):
To you know, listen, you know how guys get when
the second they misplaced their keys, they start running around
that where are damn headphones?
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:56):
See these?
Speaker 3 (35:57):
You gotta please me first before you get these. Yeah,
make it interesting.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Jesus said she should try it.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Exactly to say she should try it. We gave her
a few options so she can.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Take Yes, So Anonymous, I hope we have helped you.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah, let us know, let us know. It's still hard. Okay, Clayton.
We we've gotten to know you a little bit better
and we want to open the floor up to you.
Do you have any questions for us. You must want
to know something. Yeah, and I'm not busy next Friday.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Okay, yeah, perfect, I'll be out.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
No, I'm not that damn it. I'm in Austin, Texas.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
Oh, that's an awesome spot.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Actually is going to Austin if it wasn't if my
brothers that live in Scotts still Austin was an not
a spot that I was.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
I love Scotts Stale too, though.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
I mean, I can't be it can't be either. I
do actually want to know. It's probably been asked, maybe,
but what do you what? What was the most surprising
aspect of going on reality TV for the both of you?
Speaker 3 (36:55):
The most surprising.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Like the thing that's okay, it's a two part question.
What surprised you the most? And what is like? What
was your biggest lesson that you learned from it? Wow?
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Well it's easy for me. I don't know. I thought
I didn't think an answer.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Go ahead, Susan, I don't think I learned any lessons, okay?
Speaker 3 (37:18):
And why?
Speaker 4 (37:19):
And why? Is that?
Speaker 5 (37:20):
Because you feel that you were already so prepped from
like just previous.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
I was unapologetically authentically me okay, and people like that
I mean, I made friends, and that was the best
thing to come out of the show. That I made good,
good friends, and I looked at people and watched and
learned how people react to different things. So it was
a learning experience. But to bring something out of it,
(37:47):
I don't know that I could answer that one.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Can you?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Kathy?
Speaker 5 (37:50):
For me?
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Susan and I are both who we are, and I
think that's people that will like it or don't. We
can somewhat be polarizing to our audiences because they either
love us or don't. And I'm okay with that. I
think for me, I've always been a pretty confident person,
and I think being on Golden I realized that I
(38:14):
really am okay with myself. You know, my my husband
had passed away and so I had gone through a
lot of trauma over that.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
But but going to know that going in that you
were okay.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
With yourself, Well, I've said many times Golden, I am
so grateful for being on the show because it really
helped heal me. It brought me back to who I was,
and I didn't realize I guess that's what I'm trying
to say. I didn't realize how far I had strayed
from uh because because of what I went through. So
(38:47):
going on that show and feeling alive, feeling alive and
I'm okay and I'm a good person and life is
for the living, I think it just underscored the importance
of life for me. And I don't know if that's
really what you're looking for, but I just I'm just
just I am a joyful person and I think i'd
(39:09):
lost some of that after my husband died. So I
will always be grateful to the Golden to the Bachelor
franchise for for giving me happiness bringing me back to life.
All Right, well, listen, this has been.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
I don't want to end this up. I'm having a
good time.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
It was you. You are every bit Susan. I've been
dying to have you on the podcast. You did not disappoint.
You are amazing, amazing, And you're in l A. You're
not in Arizona, right and that's your home base. Yes,
you're in Scottsdale or where we're coming out.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Let me just say, you're going to try to not
have fun here, so the three of us and Scott still,
that's just gonna be. They're gonna have to shut the
city down, send me your number.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
I'll text you when we're on our way.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Let me just say, Clayton. The other thing is Susan.
I can't believe this may be the first podcast that
she hasn't said, so let me say it for her.
Should you find miss right, Susan would be delighted to
officiate your wedding, for she's that capability. Yes she does.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
And you didn't watch our show, Clayton, really.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Listen, I I Clayton. I hardly even watched my own season.
I had to. I had to watch enough of it.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
She Susan married Gary and Teresa and I got to
do the color commentary with Jesse Palmer.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Best event of my life so much.
Speaker 4 (40:37):
You have to hang out with Jesse because that's my
That's like my big I love him.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Can I tell you I love that guy? He's uh
my son just real quickly. My son turned forty uh
this year, and for two years my son has been
asking me to have Jesse sign an autograph for him.
And so my son played college lacrosse, so I had
this lacrossball and he's got you're not old enough, but
he has Craig Bigio second basement for the Houston Astros
(41:04):
and Clyde Drexler who played for the Houston Rockets and
now he has Jesse Palmer's signature on that and crossball.
So that guy, yeah, that guy is golden in my book.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
You absolutely are the best. Thank you so much for
joining us today. We had some fun with him, and
ladies and gentlemen out there listening. You have to look
at this man. He's so beautiful. Okay, Susan, get over
inside and out. Yeah, your taking you're taking weekly occurrence.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Let's make us a week.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
I appreciate that. Listen. If you enjoyed this episode with Clayton,
you need to check out our episodes because we have
them coming out every week. Lots of new guests coming
up you won't want to miss.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
And make sure to submit those questions because just like
Clayton did, we gave some advice somebody else, we will
tell what we think you know how to do it.
Go to Bachelor Nation dot com, slash Golden Hour, or
dm us on Instagram at Bachelor Happy Hour.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
Listen to Bachelor Happy Hours Golden Hour on the iHeart
Radio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Until next time,
have a great week.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Yeah,
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