August 19, 2025 • 32 mins
Today on Happy Hour, we're sitting down with Sean from this season of Paradise! We get things started right away by diving into his first few moments on the beach; how did he wind up choosing Jill for the date? What was that connection like for him? Then, we get into him meeting Allyshia, his thoughts on Jill's departure, and how he wound up making out with April during Birds of Paradise! And of course, we get all the piping hot tea on this week's explosive episode. What truly went down between him and Kat before and during this fight? How did Sean and Allyshia ultimately decide to self-eliminate? We get into it all, plus, we find out how Sean felt about Allyshia's Happy Hour interview where she spilled her what ifs to us about Dale. Tune in now to hear all this and more and be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, everyone, welcome back to Becher Happy Hour. I'm Joe
and we are here today with Sean Sean. Welcome back
to Betcher Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Thanks for having me, guys excited to be here of course.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yeah, you quite entertaining this season. I have to say,
I'm I'm a Sean fan. I appreciate people that are
willing to just be themselves and be on TV and
regardless good or bad, you're you're putting yourself out there.
So I find it very entertaining.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Thank you. I was trying to be as authentic as
I possibly. I'm pretty much the same like on camera
and off, so like I didn't think I think a
lot of people go through it and they're like everyone
wants to be on TV. No one necessarily wants to
make a TV show, if that kind of makes sense,
where everyone's so focused on like, oh, how's it gonna look?
Is vaccination's gonna like me or not? Like you know,
I'm just in a situation where it's like there's half
a million dollars on the line, I'm gonna do exactly
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what I thinks, you know, the right move, or like
what just puts me in the best position. But I
appreciate Joe that you're fan. That makes maybe one in
the entire world. So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
All right, So you you go on Paradise the last
the last season. Correct, you were on the last season
of Paradise.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, season nine.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah. What made you want to come back?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
The ac new new location. I think it was it
was a kind of an easy choice, you know. I
knew if I like watched it back, I have fomo
not going to experience something new, like a brand new resort,
a new production team, new concept. I guess from a
show standpoint, and I always have fun when I'm filming.
It's so unique, it's so different than what my day
to day is, So it's kind of an easy choice.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So you get there. Did
you expect not to be original cast?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
No? I kind of thought I would be original cast,
not just from like like what was going on. It
was more like the day I flew out there, I
was like, oh, I'm probably going on first because it's
the beginning of like when we started filming, so I
kind of expected it. I was really kind of disappointed
when I was an original cast, but in the end,
I think it worked out better for me. In terms
of like going at the right point. But yeah, I
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expected to be og cast originally.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
So you get down there, what's that first day?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Like?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
First day was really tough. So when I got down
to the beach, I was kind of like training myself
to interact with humans. Yet like I felt so uncomfortable
like talking to people. I had no idea the dynamics
going into it. I did really feel uncomfortable. It took
me about a couple hours, maybe two to three, where
I then I finally kind of settled down a little
bit and it was more myself. But it was definitely
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nerve wracking going in and this time around, Like normally
you just come in with a date card and you're
just going to pull people. This time you come in
get a chance to meet everyone before you take someone
on a date. So I didn't really know what to
say or do. When I got there, I was like, oh, hi, guys,
some Sean. I don't know if you know me or not,
but great to meet you. And then you know, one
thing led to another, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Who did you take on a date? Jill? Right?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, Jill?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
And why why Jill?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Jill's fun? Like when I got there, everyone's talking about
like coming in late. I was the last guy to
arrive on Paradise. I think, yeah, pretty much. When I
got there was really the only people open were Jill
and like somewhat Alex at that point. And I remember
the first night I got there, I was hanging out
with Jill and we just had like a fun banter
and the date was like an ATV date where you're
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going through the rivers of Costa Rica. You kind of
have have to have a certain, you know, care free
attitude to have fun on a date like that, and
Jill was like the perfect person to take me.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
We had a blast going into Paradise. Was there anyone
that was on your list of people that you wanted
to meet?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I think a few caught my eye, But honestly, this
time around, I made it a point not to like
basically research or reach out to anyone. It was kind
of I wanted to make my own assumptions of people.
But also I feel like last time I put so
much pressure on myself to make it work with somebody,
where this time I just kind of wanted to go
in and see what was going to happen. I really
didn't have like a long list of people I wanted
to meet. I just wanted to go and see whoever
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vibe with.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Was it targetting down there because a lot of people
coupled up really early this.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Season, Yeah, I think so it was. It was really hard.
I don't know, like going back to I don't know
necessarily who I would have coupled up with if I
was there first day. But there definitely wasn't a lot
of people pulling me for chats at that point, like
I like, I literally just like Jill. That was basically it.
So it was a little bit difficult going in this
time around as compared to I think previous seasons, more
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people are open a little bit longer. At least that
was the vibe this time. It felt like after week
two everyone was like lockdown. It was. It was kind
of a unique situation for like Bachelor in Paradise.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I would say, after your date with Jill, where do
you guys stand? Yeah, me and Jill, anything romantic happening.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
We were definitely more like friend vibes, and even on
the date, like we didn't really kiss, we had a blast.
Like me and Jill have a certain similar personality where
we can, like, you know, kind of mess around have
fun banter a little bit, and we definitely vibed in
that way, but in terms of romantic it wasn't really
that romantic at all, And like we had a conversation
I think the day after that date where it's like
I don't necessarily know if like I'm feeling anything in
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terms of romance, like I enjoy spending time with you,
and like we'll see how it goes. But we kind
of knew we were better office friends, and I feel
like Jill probably would say the same.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
We see with the Birds of Paradise activity. You know,
one guy comes down at a time they're pulling their girl.
We see you come down and you opt out of
pulling Jill and you go for April. Walk us through
that decision.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Okay, that night's a little blurry, so back up a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
But the Birds of Paradise night is a little blurry
for the grip, a little blurry.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
So when we were going down, you're like picking out
your outfits, and I like was first in, so I
actually got like a decent outfit compared to some of
the other ones there, and I'm getting hyped up, getting
ready to go make a fool out of myself on
national television. So having you know, a few drinks, all
of a sudden, we have like a massive thunderstorm for
like five hours where we're just stuck in our room
doing nothing. So then you know, the drinks keep going,
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and five hours later, I'm like ready to go, like
diving full into this this journey. And when I was
going to do my dance, like Jill and I danced together,
but I had planned to do like a body shot
off April because I thought that was the crowd going
and I'm honestly not the best dancer, so the crowd
work might help my favor in terms of performance. I
and then yeah, we made out, but it wasn't like
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I ignored Jill. I think that was just like kind
of how how it looks, but it really wasn't like that.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Okay, so you did pull Jill for a little moment,
and then you also pulled April.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Well, like the way it was work is like the
girls supposed to stand up if like they got aroused
by the person. So Jill stood up and we had
danced around a little bit, which was great, but I
also like had the moment where it's like I don't
really want to like blur the lines with Jill in
a way. Like, listen, I made out with April. Totally
down to make out with Jill, you know, So like
I just didn't want to blur the lines in that way,
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so for the bit, you know, but so like I
just didn't want to have like have any confusion. Like
we were friends and that was totally fine, and like
she's an awesome person, you.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Get what you're saying, Like you had established that it
was a friend connection and you didn't want of them
pull her make it a romantic thing in the game
and then maybe generate some confusion, whereas like obviously April,
you know, there's less risk of confusion there.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, for sure, was there.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
A chance of any confusion with April?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Tang Honestly at that point, thinking back to that week,
Like if Alicia didn't come down and it was just
like me and like April, I might have given her
my rose. I mean I probably would have got gave
it to that point, but like totally would be down
to hang out with April and have fun. She was
so much fun, so like such a care free attitude
and like really interesting too, So I totally would have,
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you know, coupled up with April. You know, I had
basically nothing else going on. I've been fun.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I kind of wish that would have happened.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
We do see Alicia comes down, You're kind of being
introduced to her at the same time every guy comes down,
and it's like, oh, there's a new girl here. We
know that after the game, you and her had a conversation.
Tell us about that conversation.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, that conversations that night's still a little bit blurry.
I don't know if it went too well. I remember
like being very intrigued by Alicia, and there's something about
the way that she like carried herself. There's like this
elegant presence to her. I kind of described it as
like Princess Diana esque, like it just captivated me in
a way. Obviously her eyes are stunning, but it was
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really like not probably not the best conversation at all
at that point of the night. I was definitely, you know,
probably should have went to bet but and we did
have a much much better conversation than next morning, and
that's where it kind of like solidified. I guess our
interest in one another.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Were you shocked when Jill sent herself home that night,
and do you think it was because Alicia came in?
I was.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I was really shocked in the moment because like when
Alicia had came in, like Jill disappeared right after like
the Birds of Paradise dance, it wasn't like she was
around there. She's like right to her hotel room, so
I didn't even see her after that had had kind
of finished. So when she came out and said she's leaving,
I was kind of shocked because like I don't even
know if I had, Like I think I had just
spoken to Alicia for the first time like twenty five
minutes before that, so it's not like it was, you know,
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hanging out kind of ignoring her situation.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
So I was shocked her again, I'm gonna go, well either,
so you're kind of like fuck.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I actually, like I remember having that conversations like super
serious and Jill's like, Sean, I'm leaving, and I remember,
just like coming off dancing, I'm like, oh no, and
like it was the worst reaction possible. But yeah, I
was kind of confused, and truthfully with Jill is not
I don't necessarily think it was me and like Alicia,
I think it was more the culmination of like not
only this experience on Paradise, but last experience, and it
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just kind of was the tipping point with that date
and everything that was going on.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Got it Okay. So when Alicia was on our podcast,
she had mentioned so she ends up choosing you over Dale,
but she had mentioned that her and Dale would have
coupled up at the beginning. How does that? How do
you feel about that?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, that was definitely tough to hear. I don't the
way that it came off, like I took it as
if she said, like meant she was gonna end up
with Dale at the end, And I think she might
have been trying to explain in the beginning, like if
she got there the first day, Yeah, I wasn't there,
And I think that's kind of what she meant to say, hopefully,
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But I think it came off as like a finality
type thing in the end, and so like when you
do that and then if you leave in a relationship
with someone and then you you know, hear other stuff
like on a podcast, like, yeah, it definitely definitely hurts.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
The way I took it was if she was down
day one or two and then Dale was also down
day one or two, they had a lot in common
that they might have ended up coupling up, but it's
definitely a gray area with the comment. So yeah, I'm
curious if we ever get clarity on that with her,
but definitely an interesting take. I mean, do you think
that her and Dale had a lot in common and
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could have been a good match.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
No, Like I don't, I don't think so. I mean,
like it this was what was weird for me because
even like hearing that comment then like watching it, like
the show is like portraying like there was that like
spark or whatever, like they were like thinking about it.
I never once thought that, Like I felt so secure
with Alicia the entire time, like even if like herd
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Dale and Cat were talking or her just heard Dale,
Like what do you think anything of it? So it
was kind of like almost like a jump scarer watching
it back. And you know, I've always tried to get
grace with people on the show because you never know
how things like look in an interview, what questions they're
getting asked, or and even like to come to Alicia's
defense a little bit, like a lot of the interviews
that was like right the day she got there, Like
it wasn't like later on in the season. It was
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like the day she got there, that's her first reaction.
I was like, you know, probably fifteen glasses a champagn
deep at that point, Like I would probably be okay
with they're saying that she might have a better conversation
with Dale at that point. If it was like later,
that'd be a different story. But yeah, it just sucks
to hear regardless, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, Okay, So Jesse comes down and introduces basically a
new element of the show that completely changes the show.
It goes from a dating show to now a dating
show slash competition show. There's five hundred thousand on the line.
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You as we see, especially in this current episode, you're
really playing the game, which is understandable because it is
now a game. Who else was on the same page
as you, not just like where you wanted to vote,
But as far as like, oh this is a competition now, yeah,
it was.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
It was strange. Like the reaction even when it was
announced is five hundred thousand dollars. I was. I was psyched.
I was like, this is really cool. So I get
to do the same thing we're doing currently, but now
there's a chance to win money at the end, I
was like, this is an awesome, like fun opportunity. People's
reaction to the money was like shocking to me, Like
there was people complaining about it too, and I'm like, guys,
like I've done Paradise before, Like we're doing the same
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thing we'd normally be doing. It's just now there's money involved.
It's gonna be fun. And I think most people had
in their hand that it was either like love or money,
and like that was never the way it was explained.
You can have both. It's just the reaction was crazy.
And I really do think a lot of the people
and for like maybe the detriment of the show that
they come on, but like they're so worried about how
they're gonna look, like they're so scared about what Bachelor
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Nation is going to think, Like oh, if I'm like
interested in the money, they're gonna be mad at me.
It's like, I I just think that people care too
much about what other people think and you should just
go and have fun. And the money was an awesome
twist and I thought it was a really interesting element
to the show.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I agree, but who out of the rest of the
cast was playing the game, so I.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Completely just like went around the question John Matt, But
there was in the thing is is like when we
have off days behind cameras, when there's when you're actually
not filming, people were more interested in the money and
then they're going to camera and switch up. So like
I think you saw in the episode, like Jonathan like like, oh,
we should tell people we're not a showng couple because
like you know, we can stay on longer. Like there
was a lot of that going on. No one was
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just like open to talk about it. Like there it
was just like behind closed doors type situation and when
we have dead days we're not filming, people are into
the concept of the game. And I was like, guys,
have you like seen Survivor, like just like watch like
a game show, like it can be fun and like entertaining.
It just felt people are scared scared to like commit
to like the competition.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah, it is interesting. I'm loving this element, especially in
this episode of people that have not signed up for
a game show maybe never would have been like cast
on a competition show frankly, and now are like forced
into the competition element and who is like leaning in
I like love the Jonathan and lay element, where like
they're not really in a relationship, but they are kind
of trying to like play the game for me personally,
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If I'm in a couple with Joe and he looks
at me and goes, I don't care about the five
hundred thousand, that doesn't mean anything to me. I literally
don't care.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Red flag.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I'm sorry, like red flags.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Or you better or you better have a lot of money. Yeah,
you better be rich.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
If you're gonna look at my face and say I
don't care about half a million dollars. So there is
this kind of like like tell me if I'm right.
It like feels like some people like this holier than
now mentality of no, I'm here for love because my
heart is pure. And then people are looking at you
and some of the other people as like how dare
you care about the money?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah? It was nuts, and like it's half a million dollars.
It's not like fifty k where after taxes, you know,
like whatever, it's like twenty five maybe right, half a
million dollars? Like these people do these people make that
outside of the show. I can guarantee you know, like
you know, how long you have to work to make that,
Like that's a really, really good year's worth of work there,
and I can win it on a competition show that
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I had no idea I was gonna be in money element,
Like yeah, the holier That approach is the best way
to describe it's serena, because like that's what it felt like.
Even when I was saying some of the stuff this episode,
I'm like, guys, like I'm not being mean, Like at
least like the cat thing might be a little bit mean,
but before that, it was never like mean. I was
just like, it doesn't make sense strategically to not think
this way, Like who does it benefit if you're just
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going around to the next week, And I think a
lot of people are just trying to buy their time
until they got voted off, And like, I'm not gonna
just sit around and wait for someone to come chop
my head off, Like I'm gonna try to protect myself
and do something that would give us some sort of security.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Do you think Brian telling Bailey about Jeremy was a
game move or a friend move.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I think it was a little bit of both. I
think I think strategically it might have been into his favor,
but I'll tell you what the whole situation. I'm glad
you brought that up, Joe, because I was thinking strategy
from the moment they said, this is a competition show.
So to go back into like last episodes when Brian
brings up all the stuff and everyone gets mad at Brian.
I think a lot of people. Truthfully, I didn't have
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a problem with Brian, but a lot of people didn't
like Brian. Like they did not like Brian, so when
it came to him, they immediately turned on him no
matter what. And he was right to tell Bailey because
like watching it back and you find it out on
a TV show, it's that'd be I'd be awful.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Why did you tell Bailey?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I came in and I wasn't even there when Susy
was there, so I wasn't even there for the phone call.
I really had note, Like Jeremy brought it up to
me one time in the pool, and I think it
was like three days after I had gotten there, and
he was like telling me like everything that happened at
that point. He's like, yeah, no, I like she left.
I called her. I was like, what do you mean
you called her? He's like, yeah, I just called her.
I was like like on camera, he's like yeah, like
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in an interview, I'm like, you're an idiot, dude, Like
that is definitely making it. But then I kind of
forgot about it, Like I literally like I wasn't around
for all like the Brian like talking to Bailey that night.
I had no idea. I completely forgot about it. And
then that one night everything blew up and I was like, oh, geez,
I guess like Jeremy never brought it up. I thought
it was squash it like never came up after that
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moment until everything came apart.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Gotcha walk us through your Parliament of Paradise strategy and
how you picked who you wanted to be in this
alliance with and like how you envisioned it going versus
how it actually went.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, great question. So when I started to do the
math on how many days of Paradise were remaining, because
you have like a finale date, like when we're stopped
from filming, there was like five days left, like maybe six,
I'm like, we're voting off people at a raptor right now.
I was like I'm fine this week, but like next
week it's gonna be meat Alicia, like I knew that
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like no one, Like if you see the way it went,
like that was kind of the way people were going
to go. So I was like, if I wait until
next week to start doing stuff, it's gonna look like
my back's against the wall, like they're not gonna trust me.
If I do it in advance, I think the people
would trust me and like they would know that I
would have their back going in to try to set
up like the final four, and like, truly it came
down from I was friends with Kat prior to the
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show for like two and a half years. I knew
Jeremy beforehand, and Alicia was friends with Alex and Bailey
they're from their season. Like that's kind of how it
came out. And then like at the end of the day,
like Spencer and Jess, like I don't want to go
up against them in the end, Like however this is
going to end, whether it's like I don't know, like
the audience votes like I'm not I'm not gonna win
the vote against like Spencer and Jess. If it's like
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the if like they let's say a jury comes back
and votes like I'm not gonna win that if I'm
going against them, so like trying to like facilitate Alicia
and I up to have the best success moving forward.
And like the people I involved, they'd all like expressed interest,
like and that was like where it's kind of shocking
the way the way it came off. They played downplayed it,
and I think that they kind of caught on that
no one else was like thinking strategically, so then they
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like backed out, but like each one of them was
like game off camera to a degree, Like I was like,
what are you thinking about this? Like, yeah, I agree
all this type of stuff, and then like when it
came actually time to like put it out there and
like do it, completely backed out and then that's what
you kind of see happening.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah, I feel like the energy that's going on is
like the people that are in the strongest couples are safe,
and they're going to slowly pick off the people that
are either in a friendship couple or not in a
strong couple until it's basically only the serious relationships left. However,
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we then see them vote out Brian and Prisa, who
from an audience perspective, are in a much stronger relationship
than Leiah and Jonathan or Kathy and Keith.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
How do we get from.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Point A to point B.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, it seemed like again like I would say, kind
of the holier than thou approach type situation, like they
didn't like Brian, they vote them off, Like I don't
understand where the concept went wry, and like it was
kind of selective in terms of who they put that onto, like, oh,
Jonathan lay are cool with people because they want their season,
Like they're not going to vote them off, but like
Brian and Preser are fair game. So that was like
a little bit interesting in terms of like how we
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left the plot and voting out like picking off couples.
But like the thing is like we were going to
get down to a point where everyone was a couple,
so like how are you going to vote then, Like
it's just automatically if you were there earlier staying longer
like that didn't make sense to me, Like there was
probably stronger couples than maybe for him later. So it
was the whole thing was a little bit confusing, and
no one was thinking like a couple steps ahead. It
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was only like in this moment, like this day, how
are you going to feel? And like I was trying
to think a little bit further down the line.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I think I think you're kind of like the victim
of this being the first time the show does this,
and because you went so and you did go, you
did go a little too hard with the strategy because
that just that put a target on your Like if
I was down there and then people are like, let's
just go Sean and the numbers were on you, I'd
be like, yeah, he's an easy target. Just get it
off me. Because I think that's a big part of
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the game element too, is like as long as it's
not me, I don't really care who it is because
I'm just trying to get to the end. But you
see you get pretty worked up over Cat, which seems
pretty reasonable because we see in the episode kind of
clips of you standing up for Cat.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
She also did come on our podcast and say going
into the season, you guys were good friends and that
she would like call you about guy stuff and you
would call her about girl stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So what goes wrong?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, great question. I actually don't even know if I
still know the answer to that. And like, the way
I describe friends in this world is like I have
like my Bachelor Nation friends that i'll see at an event,
I'll see out of them in their city, but I'm
not like calling them to like hang out. You know,
Cal was like a real friend, like outside of this,
we would talk pretty frequently on the phone, like you know,
we caught up before Paradise, like when she was in
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Tampa for the holidays, like met her, like met her
some of her her sister. I think so like she
was like an actual friend. And I don't know, like
I really don't know. I think that in her mind,
I was trying to get people to turn against her,
which was like never the case, like if I if
I didn't win, I want a cat to win, like
the money. And I think it was just a game
of telephone and I again I don't necessarily know all
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the details because we don't get to see everything. But
I think it was more so like you said, Joe,
where like people were trying to put the target off
their back, so then that shifts.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
It on to me.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
It's like, oh, yeah, he's gonna do this, he's not.
You can't trust him all that type of things. But yeah,
it kind of went awry and then I just felt
like pretty betrayed at that moment. And I was like
the one person who I thought I could trust, But
I actually don't even know what honestly happened, Like I
don't know if I'll ever truly know the situation.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Yeah, watching it, she definitely seems to hesitate on wanting
to speak to the fact that you guys are friends,
and it does feel like she is calling your character
into question. I think she says like she feels like
you're not moving with integrity, and she's really really upset
by the conversation, as are you. I guess my question
(23:38):
is like, do you think it was miscommunication? Do you
think that if you had maybe not moved in such
a like aggressive strategic way, this wouldn't have happened, Like
what do you think was the fuel to this fire?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I think it was a combination of everything. I think
that the strategic portion, like to make a good analogy, yeah,
I went hard on the strategy, but I describe it
like the Seahawks, like throwing a pick to Malcolm Butler
and the goal line in the Super Bowl, Like everyone
went back was like that's.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
A terrible move.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
You shouldn't have done that. You should run the ball.
But if it had worked, it been a great play,
Like had they like bought in, it would have created
like an element of like security for like all the
couples within that, especially Cat, and I think it was
more so that she thought I couldn't be trusted in
general because I was talking so strategically. But in reality,
the only people that should have been mad about that
(24:26):
were just justin Spencer, like Alex Andrew, like Bailey and
Jeremy Key and Dale, like you were part of like
the group where I wasn't trying to like get people
voted off, like I was gonna protect you. So I
think it was more so people trying to get the
target off the back. Once they like saw I was
rubbing people the wrong way, they like piled on and
like there was some stuff that I got told that
people thought I said. I was like, I've never said that,
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Like I said I was like saying mean things to Jonathan.
I was like, I never said anything me to Jonathan
at all. So I think it was just a game
of telephone that spiled out of control, and then it
came to a front with the Cat conversation.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
How did it feel when she went back to Dale
and then Dale and you kind of got into it.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I mean, what am I gonna say to Dale? Like,
I mean we've seen like kind of this. I was like, what,
I'm sorry. I didn't want to get into like an
argument with Dale over something that I didn't even know
what Kat said, like she said I cussed her out,
Like I don't think I cussed her out. I think
I used a cuss word, like saying I've never like
death and do that to you. But like at that point,
like I didn't even care, like I was if so
I felt so betrayed. No one was like looking at me.
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No one was looking me in the eye, know, would
come up to me, like it was really awkward. I
just wanted to go with a with Alicia and like
just be done with it the whole situation. So I
kind of just like, yeah, I'm done. Let's that's not
even worth an argument.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, were you part of the idea to just self eliminate?
Why not just like get eliminated? Like it kind of
looks like when Alicia kind of steps up and like
me and Choan are going to leave as a couple,
we're gonna self eliminate. Like it kind of seems like, well,
you guys were gonna get eliminated anyway, it's like.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Why, Yeah, I think it was more so like not
give him the satisfactions, like you didn't vote us off
we left or home, but reality there we were done anyway.
But yeah, I was like like whatever, like we're done,
and like Alicia felt betrayed by her friends too, like
we just weren't. It wasn't fun anymore. Like it was
like I was enjoying the hell out of paradise and
just didn't become fun. And truthfully, there was like no
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way we were gonna like go and we were we
were gonna be gone the next week anyway after this,
there's no way we're like staying. So it was just
time to go.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
If you would have won, because you guys almost won,
so if you did stay next week and then one,
you stood.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
A chance we had, yeah, won the competition. We would
have had to win a competition, and like I had
some great ideas if we won, like believe it the
strategy element. So this was fun off the gas well,
I think people like and people have came to me afterwards,
like I probably should have listened to you a little
bit more like towards the end because obviously know how
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it ends. But I wanted to be able to like
control the game in a way, right, And there's certain
elements to it where you could like have an impact
in the voting without just yourself. So for example, like
the way it was worded was when you wanted a competition,
like you got to hand out the first rows. In
my mind and this like how deep When I was like,
what if I hand it out to like another guy,
(27:18):
Like everyone's voting for Brian. What if I hand it
out to Brian Then he gets it to pres and
everyone thinks we're safe, they're not voting for us. Then
I get another rose at the end, and you can
kind of like manipulate the vote that way and like
get people out. Like that's how deep we're talking about. Guys.
They should? They should?
Speaker 1 (27:37):
We do see Brian gets Brian gets a little worked up,
and he's like I'm gonna you know, in his interview
he's like, I'm gonna slap this kid right now, referring
to you. I don't I don't think he was serious,
but yeah, like what was his issue? And you guys
had a conversation and how did that end?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, it ended up like fine, Like Brian like Brian
was mad that I was, like he thought I was
trying to get a vote. It often like I was
last week for sure, because I thought, like, strategically, why
we re voicing about and Kimmy's gone that following week.
I was like, eh, when he had the conversation with me,
like it actually makes sense to keep him here. And
I told him straight up, I was like, dude, I
don't have a problem with like what you did with Bailey.
I don't have a problem with you as a person,
(28:15):
Like this is a game at this point, and like strategically,
like it kind of like we're getting down to the end.
And like after that conversation, me and Brian were cool,
like like no, no problems at all, Like it probably
looked like he was upset. He probably was. But a
big point of this is any time once I started
talking strategy, anytime I would have a conversation with anybody,
they people were like, oh, they're talking strategy. I could
be talking about like the Berts and people would assume
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like I was talking about peptides one time with Dale
and like everyone's they're talking strategy. It's like that type
of like telephone game basically happened but now Brian, me
and Brian finally had that conversation, and then everything after
that was fine.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
What do you wish you've done differently?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Woo, I think a lot of it. I wish that
I would have been a little bit more aware of
like where people's alliances were. And I think looking back
at it, it was we were Me and Alicia were
in a really tough spot from the get go. I
was the last guy to come in, she was the
last girl. I had zero people from Charity season there.
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I had none of my friends, like my true friends
outside of this, no one was there. I didn't even
have a roommate. All these people had roommates and there
ruining one another, Like I didn't have anyone. It was
just by myself. So like when you add that element
to the game, like we were really far behind, probably
should just like shut up once in a while and
just like kind of played in the shadows a little
bit more. But my that was a part of the
strategy too, because like if it got down to the
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end and I'm like open about it and I'm not
stabbing like my friends in the back, which I wouldn't have, like,
then you might be able to like win like a
vote from like the audience or like, however it's going
to end. But yeah, I probably just shut up once
in a while.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
But you know, I think I think you were kind
of like, you know, yeah, you were focked. The only
shot you had really was a few you would you
guys almost won that that competition. If you would have
won that competition, and then you could have locked somebody
in on your side for being a little loyal, which
in competition games and no one's loyal, but that would
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have been your holy chance. Other than that, yeah, you
don't have a roommate. You guys are the two last
people in, so you're the easiest to vote out. Like
it's just so easy to just be like, yeah, well
we didn't know them prior, or we didn't know Sean Pryor,
like he just got here gone.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
And that's like and Alicia and I like we were
from Tampa, like so everyone was talking like, oh, like
why do you guys need to be here? You just
go back together, and it's like everything was stocked against us.
So yeah, we were, like you said, we were fucked. Basically,
so you.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Send yourself home. Where do you stand with the Leisha?
When you guys leave, What are the conversations you're having?
Are you going to try to continue the relationship.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah, Like when we got sent home, I was so excited,
like we were going back to Tampa together, Like we
had talked about leaving a relationship well prior to us
getting eliminated, and I think looking back, like we were
spending like every night, like sleeping the same room together,
like all those like meaningful moments, even like the episode
where Kim gets voted off, like I had like a
mini day where I'm like putting a blindfold on her,
feeding her like chocolates and stuff like that. Like like
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there was all these like integral moments to our relationship
that like really built it up. I didn't really see
it at all, but I was excited. I was like,
we need to go back and like hang out with
her I found. I thought I found like the most
amazing person. I was like incredibly excited about our relationship.
So yeah, I couldn't wait to get back to Tampa.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
All right, Well, we can't really touch on where your
relationship status is now, but I think that really covers everything. Sean,
Thank you so much for taking the time and coming
on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Thanks guys, it's a pleasure talking to you again. I
don't think we'll probably have this conversation again in the
normal setting, but well we'll say probably not.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
And to all our listeners, thank you guys so much
for tuning in the bed or happy hour. Make sure
you download and subscribe to the podcast so.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
We'll have new and exclusive interviews every single week. Thanks
for listening by
Hey, everyone, welcome back to Becher Happy Hour. I'm Joe
and we are here today with Sean Sean. Welcome back
to Betcher Happy Hour.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Thanks for having me, guys excited to be here of course.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yeah, you quite entertaining this season. I have to say,
I'm I'm a Sean fan. I appreciate people that are
willing to just be themselves and be on TV and
regardless good or bad, you're you're putting yourself out there.
So I find it very entertaining.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Thank you. I was trying to be as authentic as
I possibly. I'm pretty much the same like on camera
and off, so like I didn't think I think a
lot of people go through it and they're like everyone
wants to be on TV. No one necessarily wants to
make a TV show, if that kind of makes sense,
where everyone's so focused on like, oh, how's it gonna look?
Is vaccination's gonna like me or not? Like you know,
I'm just in a situation where it's like there's half
a million dollars on the line, I'm gonna do exactly
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what I thinks, you know, the right move, or like
what just puts me in the best position. But I
appreciate Joe that you're fan. That makes maybe one in
the entire world. So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
All right, So you you go on Paradise the last
the last season. Correct, you were on the last season
of Paradise.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, season nine.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Yeah. What made you want to come back?
Speaker 2 (01:17):
The ac new new location. I think it was it
was a kind of an easy choice, you know. I
knew if I like watched it back, I have fomo
not going to experience something new, like a brand new resort,
a new production team, new concept. I guess from a
show standpoint, and I always have fun when I'm filming.
It's so unique, it's so different than what my day
to day is, So it's kind of an easy choice.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So you get there. Did
you expect not to be original cast?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
No? I kind of thought I would be original cast,
not just from like like what was going on. It
was more like the day I flew out there, I
was like, oh, I'm probably going on first because it's
the beginning of like when we started filming, so I
kind of expected it. I was really kind of disappointed
when I was an original cast, but in the end,
I think it worked out better for me. In terms
of like going at the right point. But yeah, I
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expected to be og cast originally.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
So you get down there, what's that first day?
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Like?
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
First day was really tough. So when I got down
to the beach, I was kind of like training myself
to interact with humans. Yet like I felt so uncomfortable
like talking to people. I had no idea the dynamics
going into it. I did really feel uncomfortable. It took
me about a couple hours, maybe two to three, where
I then I finally kind of settled down a little
bit and it was more myself. But it was definitely
(02:37):
nerve wracking going in and this time around, Like normally
you just come in with a date card and you're
just going to pull people. This time you come in
get a chance to meet everyone before you take someone
on a date. So I didn't really know what to
say or do. When I got there, I was like, oh, hi, guys,
some Sean. I don't know if you know me or not,
but great to meet you. And then you know, one
thing led to another, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Who did you take on a date? Jill? Right?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, Jill?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
And why why Jill?
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Jill's fun? Like when I got there, everyone's talking about
like coming in late. I was the last guy to
arrive on Paradise. I think, yeah, pretty much. When I
got there was really the only people open were Jill
and like somewhat Alex at that point. And I remember
the first night I got there, I was hanging out
with Jill and we just had like a fun banter
and the date was like an ATV date where you're
(03:22):
going through the rivers of Costa Rica. You kind of
have have to have a certain, you know, care free
attitude to have fun on a date like that, and
Jill was like the perfect person to take me.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
We had a blast going into Paradise. Was there anyone
that was on your list of people that you wanted
to meet?
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I think a few caught my eye, But honestly, this
time around, I made it a point not to like
basically research or reach out to anyone. It was kind
of I wanted to make my own assumptions of people.
But also I feel like last time I put so
much pressure on myself to make it work with somebody,
where this time I just kind of wanted to go
in and see what was going to happen. I really
didn't have like a long list of people I wanted
to meet. I just wanted to go and see whoever
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vibe with.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Was it targetting down there because a lot of people
coupled up really early this.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Season, Yeah, I think so it was. It was really hard.
I don't know, like going back to I don't know
necessarily who I would have coupled up with if I
was there first day. But there definitely wasn't a lot
of people pulling me for chats at that point, like
I like, I literally just like Jill. That was basically it.
So it was a little bit difficult going in this
time around as compared to I think previous seasons, more
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people are open a little bit longer. At least that
was the vibe this time. It felt like after week
two everyone was like lockdown. It was. It was kind
of a unique situation for like Bachelor in Paradise.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I would say, after your date with Jill, where do
you guys stand? Yeah, me and Jill, anything romantic happening.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
We were definitely more like friend vibes, and even on
the date, like we didn't really kiss, we had a blast.
Like me and Jill have a certain similar personality where
we can, like, you know, kind of mess around have
fun banter a little bit, and we definitely vibed in
that way, but in terms of romantic it wasn't really
that romantic at all, And like we had a conversation
I think the day after that date where it's like
I don't necessarily know if like I'm feeling anything in
(05:08):
terms of romance, like I enjoy spending time with you,
and like we'll see how it goes. But we kind
of knew we were better office friends, and I feel
like Jill probably would say the same.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
We see with the Birds of Paradise activity. You know,
one guy comes down at a time they're pulling their girl.
We see you come down and you opt out of
pulling Jill and you go for April. Walk us through
that decision.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Okay, that night's a little blurry, so back up a
little bit.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
But the Birds of Paradise night is a little blurry
for the grip, a little blurry.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
So when we were going down, you're like picking out
your outfits, and I like was first in, so I
actually got like a decent outfit compared to some of
the other ones there, and I'm getting hyped up, getting
ready to go make a fool out of myself on
national television. So having you know, a few drinks, all
of a sudden, we have like a massive thunderstorm for
like five hours where we're just stuck in our room
doing nothing. So then you know, the drinks keep going,
(06:05):
and five hours later, I'm like ready to go, like
diving full into this this journey. And when I was
going to do my dance, like Jill and I danced together,
but I had planned to do like a body shot
off April because I thought that was the crowd going
and I'm honestly not the best dancer, so the crowd
work might help my favor in terms of performance. I
and then yeah, we made out, but it wasn't like
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I ignored Jill. I think that was just like kind
of how how it looks, but it really wasn't like that.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Okay, so you did pull Jill for a little moment,
and then you also pulled April.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Well, like the way it was work is like the
girls supposed to stand up if like they got aroused
by the person. So Jill stood up and we had
danced around a little bit, which was great, but I
also like had the moment where it's like I don't
really want to like blur the lines with Jill in
a way. Like, listen, I made out with April. Totally
down to make out with Jill, you know, So like
I just didn't want to blur the lines in that way,
(07:00):
so for the bit, you know, but so like I
just didn't want to have like have any confusion. Like
we were friends and that was totally fine, and like
she's an awesome person, you.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Get what you're saying, Like you had established that it
was a friend connection and you didn't want of them
pull her make it a romantic thing in the game
and then maybe generate some confusion, whereas like obviously April,
you know, there's less risk of confusion there.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, for sure, was there.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
A chance of any confusion with April?
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Tang Honestly at that point, thinking back to that week,
Like if Alicia didn't come down and it was just
like me and like April, I might have given her
my rose. I mean I probably would have got gave
it to that point, but like totally would be down
to hang out with April and have fun. She was
so much fun, so like such a care free attitude
and like really interesting too, So I totally would have,
(07:52):
you know, coupled up with April. You know, I had
basically nothing else going on. I've been fun.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I kind of wish that would have happened.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
We do see Alicia comes down, You're kind of being
introduced to her at the same time every guy comes down,
and it's like, oh, there's a new girl here. We
know that after the game, you and her had a conversation.
Tell us about that conversation.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, that conversations that night's still a little bit blurry.
I don't know if it went too well. I remember
like being very intrigued by Alicia, and there's something about
the way that she like carried herself. There's like this
elegant presence to her. I kind of described it as
like Princess Diana esque, like it just captivated me in
a way. Obviously her eyes are stunning, but it was
(08:35):
really like not probably not the best conversation at all
at that point of the night. I was definitely, you know,
probably should have went to bet but and we did
have a much much better conversation than next morning, and
that's where it kind of like solidified. I guess our
interest in one another.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Were you shocked when Jill sent herself home that night,
and do you think it was because Alicia came in?
I was.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I was really shocked in the moment because like when
Alicia had came in, like Jill disappeared right after like
the Birds of Paradise dance, it wasn't like she was
around there. She's like right to her hotel room, so
I didn't even see her after that had had kind
of finished. So when she came out and said she's leaving,
I was kind of shocked because like I don't even
know if I had, Like I think I had just
spoken to Alicia for the first time like twenty five
minutes before that, so it's not like it was, you know,
(09:22):
hanging out kind of ignoring her situation.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
So I was shocked her again, I'm gonna go, well either,
so you're kind of like fuck.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
I actually, like I remember having that conversations like super
serious and Jill's like, Sean, I'm leaving, and I remember,
just like coming off dancing, I'm like, oh no, and
like it was the worst reaction possible. But yeah, I
was kind of confused, and truthfully with Jill is not
I don't necessarily think it was me and like Alicia,
I think it was more the culmination of like not
only this experience on Paradise, but last experience, and it
(09:51):
just kind of was the tipping point with that date
and everything that was going on.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Got it Okay. So when Alicia was on our podcast,
she had mentioned so she ends up choosing you over Dale,
but she had mentioned that her and Dale would have
coupled up at the beginning. How does that? How do
you feel about that?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, that was definitely tough to hear. I don't the
way that it came off, like I took it as
if she said, like meant she was gonna end up
with Dale at the end, And I think she might
have been trying to explain in the beginning, like if
she got there the first day, Yeah, I wasn't there,
And I think that's kind of what she meant to say, hopefully,
(10:34):
But I think it came off as like a finality
type thing in the end, and so like when you
do that and then if you leave in a relationship
with someone and then you you know, hear other stuff
like on a podcast, like, yeah, it definitely definitely hurts.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
The way I took it was if she was down
day one or two and then Dale was also down
day one or two, they had a lot in common
that they might have ended up coupling up, but it's
definitely a gray area with the comment. So yeah, I'm
curious if we ever get clarity on that with her,
but definitely an interesting take. I mean, do you think
that her and Dale had a lot in common and
(11:09):
could have been a good match.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
No, Like I don't, I don't think so. I mean,
like it this was what was weird for me because
even like hearing that comment then like watching it, like
the show is like portraying like there was that like
spark or whatever, like they were like thinking about it.
I never once thought that, Like I felt so secure
with Alicia the entire time, like even if like herd
(11:33):
Dale and Cat were talking or her just heard Dale,
Like what do you think anything of it? So it
was kind of like almost like a jump scarer watching
it back. And you know, I've always tried to get
grace with people on the show because you never know
how things like look in an interview, what questions they're
getting asked, or and even like to come to Alicia's
defense a little bit, like a lot of the interviews
that was like right the day she got there, Like
it wasn't like later on in the season. It was
(11:55):
like the day she got there, that's her first reaction.
I was like, you know, probably fifteen glasses a champagn
deep at that point, Like I would probably be okay
with they're saying that she might have a better conversation
with Dale at that point. If it was like later,
that'd be a different story. But yeah, it just sucks
to hear regardless, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, Okay, So Jesse comes down and introduces basically a
new element of the show that completely changes the show.
It goes from a dating show to now a dating
show slash competition show. There's five hundred thousand on the line.
(12:33):
You as we see, especially in this current episode, you're
really playing the game, which is understandable because it is
now a game. Who else was on the same page
as you, not just like where you wanted to vote,
But as far as like, oh this is a competition now, yeah,
it was.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
It was strange. Like the reaction even when it was
announced is five hundred thousand dollars. I was. I was psyched.
I was like, this is really cool. So I get
to do the same thing we're doing currently, but now
there's a chance to win money at the end, I
was like, this is an awesome, like fun opportunity. People's
reaction to the money was like shocking to me, Like
there was people complaining about it too, and I'm like, guys,
like I've done Paradise before, Like we're doing the same
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thing we'd normally be doing. It's just now there's money involved.
It's gonna be fun. And I think most people had
in their hand that it was either like love or money,
and like that was never the way it was explained.
You can have both. It's just the reaction was crazy.
And I really do think a lot of the people
and for like maybe the detriment of the show that
they come on, but like they're so worried about how
they're gonna look, like they're so scared about what Bachelor
(13:37):
Nation is going to think, Like oh, if I'm like
interested in the money, they're gonna be mad at me.
It's like, I I just think that people care too
much about what other people think and you should just
go and have fun. And the money was an awesome
twist and I thought it was a really interesting element
to the show.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
I agree, but who out of the rest of the
cast was playing the game, so I.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Completely just like went around the question John Matt, But
there was in the thing is is like when we
have off days behind cameras, when there's when you're actually
not filming, people were more interested in the money and
then they're going to camera and switch up. So like
I think you saw in the episode, like Jonathan like like, oh,
we should tell people we're not a showng couple because
like you know, we can stay on longer. Like there
was a lot of that going on. No one was
(14:16):
just like open to talk about it. Like there it
was just like behind closed doors type situation and when
we have dead days we're not filming, people are into
the concept of the game. And I was like, guys,
have you like seen Survivor, like just like watch like
a game show, like it can be fun and like entertaining.
It just felt people are scared scared to like commit
to like the competition.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah, it is interesting. I'm loving this element, especially in
this episode of people that have not signed up for
a game show maybe never would have been like cast
on a competition show frankly, and now are like forced
into the competition element and who is like leaning in
I like love the Jonathan and lay element, where like
they're not really in a relationship, but they are kind
of trying to like play the game for me personally,
(15:00):
If I'm in a couple with Joe and he looks
at me and goes, I don't care about the five
hundred thousand, that doesn't mean anything to me. I literally
don't care.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Red flag.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I'm sorry, like red flags.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Or you better or you better have a lot of money. Yeah,
you better be rich.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
If you're gonna look at my face and say I
don't care about half a million dollars. So there is
this kind of like like tell me if I'm right.
It like feels like some people like this holier than
now mentality of no, I'm here for love because my
heart is pure. And then people are looking at you
and some of the other people as like how dare
you care about the money?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah? It was nuts, and like it's half a million dollars.
It's not like fifty k where after taxes, you know,
like whatever, it's like twenty five maybe right, half a
million dollars? Like these people do these people make that
outside of the show. I can guarantee you know, like
you know, how long you have to work to make that,
Like that's a really, really good year's worth of work there,
and I can win it on a competition show that
(15:58):
I had no idea I was gonna be in money element,
Like yeah, the holier That approach is the best way
to describe it's serena, because like that's what it felt like.
Even when I was saying some of the stuff this episode,
I'm like, guys, like I'm not being mean, Like at
least like the cat thing might be a little bit mean,
but before that, it was never like mean. I was
just like, it doesn't make sense strategically to not think
this way, Like who does it benefit if you're just
(16:18):
going around to the next week, And I think a
lot of people are just trying to buy their time
until they got voted off, And like, I'm not gonna
just sit around and wait for someone to come chop
my head off, Like I'm gonna try to protect myself
and do something that would give us some sort of security.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Do you think Brian telling Bailey about Jeremy was a
game move or a friend move.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I think it was a little bit of both. I
think I think strategically it might have been into his favor,
but I'll tell you what the whole situation. I'm glad
you brought that up, Joe, because I was thinking strategy
from the moment they said, this is a competition show.
So to go back into like last episodes when Brian
brings up all the stuff and everyone gets mad at Brian.
I think a lot of people. Truthfully, I didn't have
(17:01):
a problem with Brian, but a lot of people didn't
like Brian. Like they did not like Brian, so when
it came to him, they immediately turned on him no
matter what. And he was right to tell Bailey because
like watching it back and you find it out on
a TV show, it's that'd be I'd be awful.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Why did you tell Bailey?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I came in and I wasn't even there when Susy
was there, so I wasn't even there for the phone call.
I really had note, Like Jeremy brought it up to
me one time in the pool, and I think it
was like three days after I had gotten there, and
he was like telling me like everything that happened at
that point. He's like, yeah, no, I like she left.
I called her. I was like, what do you mean
you called her? He's like, yeah, I just called her.
I was like like on camera, he's like yeah, like
(17:38):
in an interview, I'm like, you're an idiot, dude, Like
that is definitely making it. But then I kind of
forgot about it, Like I literally like I wasn't around
for all like the Brian like talking to Bailey that night.
I had no idea. I completely forgot about it. And
then that one night everything blew up and I was like, oh, geez,
I guess like Jeremy never brought it up. I thought
it was squash it like never came up after that
(17:59):
moment until everything came apart.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Gotcha walk us through your Parliament of Paradise strategy and
how you picked who you wanted to be in this
alliance with and like how you envisioned it going versus
how it actually went.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
Yeah, great question. So when I started to do the
math on how many days of Paradise were remaining, because
you have like a finale date, like when we're stopped
from filming, there was like five days left, like maybe six,
I'm like, we're voting off people at a raptor right now.
I was like I'm fine this week, but like next
week it's gonna be meat Alicia, like I knew that
(18:34):
like no one, Like if you see the way it went,
like that was kind of the way people were going
to go. So I was like, if I wait until
next week to start doing stuff, it's gonna look like
my back's against the wall, like they're not gonna trust me.
If I do it in advance, I think the people
would trust me and like they would know that I
would have their back going in to try to set
up like the final four, and like, truly it came
down from I was friends with Kat prior to the
(18:54):
show for like two and a half years. I knew
Jeremy beforehand, and Alicia was friends with Alex and Bailey
they're from their season. Like that's kind of how it
came out. And then like at the end of the day,
like Spencer and Jess, like I don't want to go
up against them in the end, Like however this is
going to end, whether it's like I don't know, like
the audience votes like I'm not I'm not gonna win
the vote against like Spencer and Jess. If it's like
(19:15):
the if like they let's say a jury comes back
and votes like I'm not gonna win that if I'm
going against them, so like trying to like facilitate Alicia
and I up to have the best success moving forward.
And like the people I involved, they'd all like expressed interest,
like and that was like where it's kind of shocking
the way the way it came off. They played downplayed it,
and I think that they kind of caught on that
no one else was like thinking strategically, so then they
(19:37):
like backed out, but like each one of them was
like game off camera to a degree, Like I was like,
what are you thinking about this? Like, yeah, I agree
all this type of stuff, and then like when it
came actually time to like put it out there and
like do it, completely backed out and then that's what
you kind of see happening.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah, I feel like the energy that's going on is
like the people that are in the strongest couples are safe,
and they're going to slowly pick off the people that
are either in a friendship couple or not in a
strong couple until it's basically only the serious relationships left. However,
(20:15):
we then see them vote out Brian and Prisa, who
from an audience perspective, are in a much stronger relationship
than Leiah and Jonathan or Kathy and Keith.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
How do we get from.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Point A to point B.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Yeah, it seemed like again like I would say, kind
of the holier than thou approach type situation, like they
didn't like Brian, they vote them off, Like I don't
understand where the concept went wry, and like it was
kind of selective in terms of who they put that onto, like, oh,
Jonathan lay are cool with people because they want their season,
Like they're not going to vote them off, but like
Brian and Preser are fair game. So that was like
a little bit interesting in terms of like how we
(20:49):
left the plot and voting out like picking off couples.
But like the thing is like we were going to
get down to a point where everyone was a couple,
so like how are you going to vote then, Like
it's just automatically if you were there earlier staying longer
like that didn't make sense to me, Like there was
probably stronger couples than maybe for him later. So it
was the whole thing was a little bit confusing, and
no one was thinking like a couple steps ahead. It
(21:10):
was only like in this moment, like this day, how
are you going to feel? And like I was trying
to think a little bit further down the line.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
I think I think you're kind of like the victim
of this being the first time the show does this,
and because you went so and you did go, you
did go a little too hard with the strategy because
that just that put a target on your Like if
I was down there and then people are like, let's
just go Sean and the numbers were on you, I'd
be like, yeah, he's an easy target. Just get it
off me. Because I think that's a big part of
(21:38):
the game element too, is like as long as it's
not me, I don't really care who it is because
I'm just trying to get to the end. But you
see you get pretty worked up over Cat, which seems
pretty reasonable because we see in the episode kind of
clips of you standing up for Cat.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
She also did come on our podcast and say going
into the season, you guys were good friends and that
she would like call you about guy stuff and you
would call her about girl stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
So what goes wrong?
Speaker 2 (22:06):
Yeah, great question. I actually don't even know if I
still know the answer to that. And like, the way
I describe friends in this world is like I have
like my Bachelor Nation friends that i'll see at an event,
I'll see out of them in their city, but I'm
not like calling them to like hang out. You know,
Cal was like a real friend, like outside of this,
we would talk pretty frequently on the phone, like you know,
we caught up before Paradise, like when she was in
(22:28):
Tampa for the holidays, like met her, like met her
some of her her sister. I think so like she
was like an actual friend. And I don't know, like
I really don't know. I think that in her mind,
I was trying to get people to turn against her,
which was like never the case, like if I if
I didn't win, I want a cat to win, like
the money. And I think it was just a game
of telephone and I again I don't necessarily know all
(22:50):
the details because we don't get to see everything. But
I think it was more so like you said, Joe,
where like people were trying to put the target off
their back, so then that shifts.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
It on to me.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
It's like, oh, yeah, he's gonna do this, he's not.
You can't trust him all that type of things. But yeah,
it kind of went awry and then I just felt
like pretty betrayed at that moment. And I was like
the one person who I thought I could trust, But
I actually don't even know what honestly happened, Like I
don't know if I'll ever truly know the situation.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Yeah, watching it, she definitely seems to hesitate on wanting
to speak to the fact that you guys are friends,
and it does feel like she is calling your character
into question. I think she says like she feels like
you're not moving with integrity, and she's really really upset
by the conversation, as are you. I guess my question
(23:38):
is like, do you think it was miscommunication? Do you
think that if you had maybe not moved in such
a like aggressive strategic way, this wouldn't have happened, Like
what do you think was the fuel to this fire?
Speaker 2 (23:51):
I think it was a combination of everything. I think
that the strategic portion, like to make a good analogy, yeah,
I went hard on the strategy, but I describe it
like the Seahawks, like throwing a pick to Malcolm Butler
and the goal line in the Super Bowl, Like everyone
went back was like that's.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
A terrible move.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
You shouldn't have done that. You should run the ball.
But if it had worked, it been a great play,
Like had they like bought in, it would have created
like an element of like security for like all the
couples within that, especially Cat, and I think it was
more so that she thought I couldn't be trusted in
general because I was talking so strategically. But in reality,
the only people that should have been mad about that
(24:26):
were just justin Spencer, like Alex Andrew, like Bailey and
Jeremy Key and Dale, like you were part of like
the group where I wasn't trying to like get people
voted off, like I was gonna protect you. So I
think it was more so people trying to get the
target off the back. Once they like saw I was
rubbing people the wrong way, they like piled on and
like there was some stuff that I got told that
people thought I said. I was like, I've never said that,
(24:47):
Like I said I was like saying mean things to Jonathan.
I was like, I never said anything me to Jonathan
at all. So I think it was just a game
of telephone that spiled out of control, and then it
came to a front with the Cat conversation.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
How did it feel when she went back to Dale
and then Dale and you kind of got into it.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I mean, what am I gonna say to Dale? Like,
I mean we've seen like kind of this. I was like, what,
I'm sorry. I didn't want to get into like an
argument with Dale over something that I didn't even know
what Kat said, like she said I cussed her out,
Like I don't think I cussed her out. I think
I used a cuss word, like saying I've never like
death and do that to you. But like at that point,
like I didn't even care, like I was if so
I felt so betrayed. No one was like looking at me.
(25:30):
No one was looking me in the eye, know, would
come up to me, like it was really awkward. I
just wanted to go with a with Alicia and like
just be done with it the whole situation. So I
kind of just like, yeah, I'm done. Let's that's not
even worth an argument.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, were you part of the idea to just self eliminate?
Why not just like get eliminated? Like it kind of
looks like when Alicia kind of steps up and like
me and Choan are going to leave as a couple,
we're gonna self eliminate. Like it kind of seems like, well,
you guys were gonna get eliminated anyway, it's like.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Why, Yeah, I think it was more so like not
give him the satisfactions, like you didn't vote us off
we left or home, but reality there we were done anyway.
But yeah, I was like like whatever, like we're done,
and like Alicia felt betrayed by her friends too, like
we just weren't. It wasn't fun anymore. Like it was
like I was enjoying the hell out of paradise and
just didn't become fun. And truthfully, there was like no
(26:22):
way we were gonna like go and we were we
were gonna be gone the next week anyway after this,
there's no way we're like staying. So it was just
time to go.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
If you would have won, because you guys almost won,
so if you did stay next week and then one,
you stood.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
A chance we had, yeah, won the competition. We would
have had to win a competition, and like I had
some great ideas if we won, like believe it the
strategy element. So this was fun off the gas well,
I think people like and people have came to me afterwards,
like I probably should have listened to you a little
bit more like towards the end because obviously know how
(26:56):
it ends. But I wanted to be able to like
control the game in a way, right, And there's certain
elements to it where you could like have an impact
in the voting without just yourself. So for example, like
the way it was worded was when you wanted a competition,
like you got to hand out the first rows. In
my mind and this like how deep When I was like,
what if I hand it out to like another guy,
(27:18):
Like everyone's voting for Brian. What if I hand it
out to Brian Then he gets it to pres and
everyone thinks we're safe, they're not voting for us. Then
I get another rose at the end, and you can
kind of like manipulate the vote that way and like
get people out. Like that's how deep we're talking about. Guys.
They should? They should?
Speaker 1 (27:37):
We do see Brian gets Brian gets a little worked up,
and he's like I'm gonna you know, in his interview
he's like, I'm gonna slap this kid right now, referring
to you. I don't I don't think he was serious,
but yeah, like what was his issue? And you guys
had a conversation and how did that end?
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, it ended up like fine, Like Brian like Brian
was mad that I was, like he thought I was
trying to get a vote. It often like I was
last week for sure, because I thought, like, strategically, why
we re voicing about and Kimmy's gone that following week.
I was like, eh, when he had the conversation with me,
like it actually makes sense to keep him here. And
I told him straight up, I was like, dude, I
don't have a problem with like what you did with Bailey.
I don't have a problem with you as a person,
(28:15):
Like this is a game at this point, and like strategically,
like it kind of like we're getting down to the end.
And like after that conversation, me and Brian were cool,
like like no, no problems at all, Like it probably
looked like he was upset. He probably was. But a
big point of this is any time once I started
talking strategy, anytime I would have a conversation with anybody,
they people were like, oh, they're talking strategy. I could
be talking about like the Berts and people would assume
(28:38):
like I was talking about peptides one time with Dale
and like everyone's they're talking strategy. It's like that type
of like telephone game basically happened but now Brian, me
and Brian finally had that conversation, and then everything after
that was fine.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
What do you wish you've done differently?
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Woo, I think a lot of it. I wish that
I would have been a little bit more aware of
like where people's alliances were. And I think looking back
at it, it was we were Me and Alicia were
in a really tough spot from the get go. I
was the last guy to come in, she was the
last girl. I had zero people from Charity season there.
(29:14):
I had none of my friends, like my true friends
outside of this, no one was there. I didn't even
have a roommate. All these people had roommates and there
ruining one another, Like I didn't have anyone. It was
just by myself. So like when you add that element
to the game, like we were really far behind, probably
should just like shut up once in a while and
just like kind of played in the shadows a little
bit more. But my that was a part of the
strategy too, because like if it got down to the
(29:35):
end and I'm like open about it and I'm not
stabbing like my friends in the back, which I wouldn't have, like,
then you might be able to like win like a
vote from like the audience or like, however it's going
to end. But yeah, I probably just shut up once
in a while.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
But you know, I think I think you were kind
of like, you know, yeah, you were focked. The only
shot you had really was a few you would you
guys almost won that that competition. If you would have
won that competition, and then you could have locked somebody
in on your side for being a little loyal, which
in competition games and no one's loyal, but that would
(30:11):
have been your holy chance. Other than that, yeah, you
don't have a roommate. You guys are the two last
people in, so you're the easiest to vote out. Like
it's just so easy to just be like, yeah, well
we didn't know them prior, or we didn't know Sean Pryor,
like he just got here gone.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
And that's like and Alicia and I like we were
from Tampa, like so everyone was talking like, oh, like
why do you guys need to be here? You just
go back together, and it's like everything was stocked against us.
So yeah, we were, like you said, we were fucked. Basically,
so you.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Send yourself home. Where do you stand with the Leisha?
When you guys leave, What are the conversations you're having?
Are you going to try to continue the relationship.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yeah, Like when we got sent home, I was so excited,
like we were going back to Tampa together, Like we
had talked about leaving a relationship well prior to us
getting eliminated, and I think looking back, like we were
spending like every night, like sleeping the same room together,
like all those like meaningful moments, even like the episode
where Kim gets voted off, like I had like a
mini day where I'm like putting a blindfold on her,
feeding her like chocolates and stuff like that. Like like
(31:13):
there was all these like integral moments to our relationship
that like really built it up. I didn't really see
it at all, but I was excited. I was like,
we need to go back and like hang out with
her I found. I thought I found like the most
amazing person. I was like incredibly excited about our relationship.
So yeah, I couldn't wait to get back to Tampa.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
All right, Well, we can't really touch on where your
relationship status is now, but I think that really covers everything. Sean,
Thank you so much for taking the time and coming
on the podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Thanks guys, it's a pleasure talking to you again. I
don't think we'll probably have this conversation again in the
normal setting, but well we'll say probably not.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
And to all our listeners, thank you guys so much
for tuning in the bed or happy hour. Make sure
you download and subscribe to the podcast so.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
We'll have new and exclusive interviews every single week. Thanks
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