July 16, 2020 • 43 mins
This week on Back to Biz with Katie and Boz, Katie Couric is on book deadline! While she’s busy writing, Bozoma Saint John sits down for an intimate conversation with her good friend and all around entertainment renaissance woman La La Anthony. La La shares her career journey from radio personality to MTV VJ (hello, “Total Request Live”) to producer, actress, entrepreneur and activist. They touch upon the ups and downs of quarantine life, but also dive deep into the current state of social and racial unrest and its emotional toll. Although the country’s racial injustices are amplified now, it is a reality both women have dealt with their whole lives and now have to watch their children go through, too. La La shares how she is preparing her 13-year-old son Kiyan for the world he has to live in: “We have a 13-year-old Black son and we live in New York City,” La La says. “My son walks around with a hoodie … he plays basketball, he’s in the gyms, he’s on the courts outside. So we tell him ‘this at any moment could be you.’” It’s a deeply personal conversation about their struggles, as well as their hopes for what can change. “There’s still so much work to do,” La La says, “and you don’t stop just because a hashtag isn’t trending anymore."
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
All right, everybody, my boss St. John. You're listening to
Back to Biz with Katie and Bows, except there is
no Katie this week because she is on excessive book deadline.
And so I am flying solo. Um, I'm terrified. I'm very,
very scared to fly solo. But it's okay. You know
why it's okay because I have my very good girlfriend
(00:27):
who is an incredible person um, not just an entertainer
and not just a creator, but an all around incredible
woman who is joining me today La La Anthony, and
I'm so I'm so happy to be here. You're gonna
be fine riding solo tonight. I got your back. Don't
(00:47):
worry about that. You are great and everything you do.
I appreciate you so much. I do you. You've really
you've done it all. You've done it all, and you
inspire me because there are so many facets of not
just your personality, but you're ingenuity, your innovation, the way
that you transform yourself that I think so many people
(01:09):
could learn from. You know, we were in this time
in which so many people are trying to figure out
what they're gonna do. Right, it feels like a moment
where we're all trying to re energize and trying to
figure out how to create in this time when there
is so much chaos happening, you know, and trying to reinvent,
(01:29):
and you, my dear, are the queen of reinvention. But
can we we also just talk about how we first met,
because I feel like you're my bestie, and I think
I think I'm one of them, Yes exactly, I say that, yes,
one of them, because otherwise other people get mad, that's right,
and other your best seas will get mad too if
(01:49):
we just playing each other, only because we do run
in quite a crew of impressive women. But from what
I remember, I've always known who you were, was always
paying attention to all the amazing things that you've done.
And then I remember us meeting at the b E
t hert Awards. Yes, I said, my cousin was with me,
and I was like, you gotta go say how to her?
(02:10):
And then like bring me over there and introduced me.
But like, don't make it obvious. I want to meet her,
but I don't want to look too thirsty. So can
you act like you want to meet her? And then
like we we I don't even know if you know
that story, but we played on the whole thing out
and then when it went in for the kill, and
then I came behind and we met, and I don't know,
(02:32):
it's like it was like we've known each other our
whole lives and we just did it all from there. No, seriously,
because the feeling, the feeling that I had said, I've
always seen you, you know, I've always seen you either
on TV or I've seen you at different industry events
or whatnot, and so I knew of you, and I
knew you were sweet, like you're always very kind, you know,
whenever we passed each other and whatever the event, um
(02:55):
always really really nice. But then yes, when your cousin
came up to me, I was like, oh, yes, here's
my information. I think I did for every piece of
contact information. I was like, here's my cell phone, here's
my second cell phone number, there's my email address, and
also my daughter's birthday. I was like, whatever, whatever she needs, like,
just have a contact with But I just I just
love so glad. I'm grateful. Yes, we've had an amazing friendship.
(03:16):
And it's always important to surround yourself with people that
inspire you and people that push you and motivate you
to do more and and just fulfill your purpose and
your passion. So you're definitely one of those people in
my life and I really appreciate that. Well, thank you, honey.
I mean the truth of the matter, though, is that
you to you're not new to this, okay, like you
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you've been at this, at this game of entertainment, of
reinvention of storytelling, which I find is, you know, sort
of a cornerstone of my own career, but in a
different standpoint because you've been i mean on on the
microphone and in front of cameras for a long time.
Can you talk about how you first started, because it
(04:00):
was like fifteen or sixteen years old right in Atlanta.
So I started. I wasn't intern at sixteen years old
at the radio station in Atlanta. It was the same
radio station that Ludacris worked at, but at that time
he went under the name Chris Love a Lover. So
he was there and he had been in the game
radio game longer than me. He's older than me, so
(04:20):
he had been there a few years. And then I
came up and I had just moved to Atlanta from
New York. I'm from New York. And my mom wanted
to get out of New York and go to Atlanta.
So we went there and I started interning, and I
was just like, you know, I'm gonna bust my behind
to get recognized and show everyone here that I'm a
(04:41):
hard work and what I could do. And they're like,
but how old are you? And I started lying saying
that I was eighteen, because to get the internship you
had to be eighteen. So I was like, oh, I'm eighteen,
but I was only sixteen years old, and I got
the internship and the rest was kind of history. I
started on the radio with Ludacris, and then from there
I turned position to radio in l A and then
(05:02):
I became an MTVVJ and then a producer, actor, host, entrepreneur,
all of those things. But definitely it started in a
radio and that's my first love. And I know that
my career, you know, took off because of my love
of music, and it took me to all these different
amazing places. So okay, so but we gotta pause though,
because I mean, you just ran through like seventeen careers,
(05:24):
you know what I'm saying, Like other people are like, yes,
I want to be on the radio and then they
maybe they get there, maybe they get there and then
they stay there, you know. But you were like, yes,
I'm gonna be on the radio and I'm gonna be
a VJ, and I'm gonna be an act person, I'm
gonna be an entrepreneur. I mean, my god, Okay, so
let's let's let's start from the transition from being on
the radio to being a VJ. How did that happen
(05:47):
and why did you want to do it and why
do you think you succeeded at it? Well, for one,
you know, starting on the radio was an amazing platform.
But then people would always say kind of what you said.
You know, when you get on the radio, a lot
of people would just stay on the radio, like just
be happy. This is how it starts and ends for you.
You're on the radio, Like that's it. You can't She
didn't want anything more. You're on the radio. And I
(06:09):
kept thinking, well why not? And I was like, after radio,
what feels like the natural next step? And I was like, well,
TV to me, feels like the next step after radio.
So when MTV UM I was on the radio in
l A and I became really recognized. People knew my
voice and knew who I was, so MTV called one day.
They actually called the receptionist at the radio stage. I
(06:29):
remember walking into work. I was at that time now
like eighteen years old in Los Angeles, and they said, hey,
somebody from MTV called looking for you, and it was
like a sticky note with like a number on it.
I was TV. So I called and they were like,
we just want you to come in. We've heard a
lot about you, we just want to meet you. I
was like okay, So I came in and then they
saw me and they were like, oh, you should be
(06:51):
on TV, Like have you ever thought about that? And
I was like yeah, I've been wanting to do it,
and then they went I went through an audition kind
of process where I had to interview people and show
them that I could be good on camera. But I
already had a lot of the lessons from radio, because
even though you don't see someone's face a lot of times,
in radio, it's the same concept. You're interviewing people, you're
being personable. So I brought all of that to my
(07:13):
audition and then they said, hey, do you want to
move back to New York where I'm from and start
hosting one of our MTV shows, and I was like, absolutely,
And then I moved to New York and started doing that,
and then ultimately during MTV, I was switched over to
become one of the premier host of TRL, which at
that time was the biggest the biggest show on television.
(07:34):
Still is like, when I go back and think of
the MTV days, I'm just like, I'm in awe of it.
Because when you're in a job, you're just kind of
doing your job and trying to be great at it.
But it does sometimes it takes you stepping out to
look back and go we were making history, like thousands
of kids in Times Square every day, everything that was
going on, and to be at the center of that.
And I also find it funny when people say, you know,
(07:55):
I grew up watching you on MTV and and it's
a compliment, but at the same time, I'm like eyes,
when I was on MTV, I was twenty years old,
Like you're saying it, like like okay, when and I
was twenty, Like we grew up watching me, but we
were the same age. So it's just kind of funny.
But MTV was such a great experience and I made
so many relationships there and it was so great for me.
(08:17):
And then as MTV started changing over the years and
becoming like less about music videos and t R I
was coming to and end. I was like, Okay, now
it's time to make the next transition and what would
that be? That would be acting, producing, more hosting. And
so I went back to l A and really focused
on pursuing my acting career, going to acting classes, working
(08:39):
with an acting coach, really just taking it super seriously.
It was always there, but like really laser focused in
on it, going on auditions, and then I started booking
like small, small stuff and my first big I would say,
people know me from like really young. I was in
You Got Served and two Can Play the Game and
all these these movies when I was But my real
(09:00):
kind of big break was when I became part of
the Think Like a Man franchise and I wasn't think
like a Man wanted too. And after that is where
I finally saw like, Wow, I could really have a career.
You know in this thing and rambling, you're not rambling.
This is a history. Okay history. It's like, everybody pay attention,
(09:23):
this is history because the truth of the matter is
you were at the center of a lot of things
that started trends that we still see today. You know
when you think about tr ral and everything that was
modeled after TRL, because before I tr round, nothing had
been done like that before, you know, so then you
(09:45):
started modeling what that looked like. And are you seriously yes?
I watched you on t R l okay, And the
most amazing thing to me is that, of course people
are gonna say, you know, they grew up watching you,
but that is such an incredible accolade to be a
somewhat mentor fright away mentor and aspiration to people who
(10:08):
are your same age. It's it's definitely cool, yeah, because
they're not looking at somebody who's like far far ahead
of them. They're looking at you, and they're like they're
putting themselves in your shoes and saying, well, she can
do it, I can do it. You know. That's incredible.
Thank you. It was incredible, credible journey, and I don't
(10:28):
take it lightly. MTV was an amazing place. I learned
so much there, but even at the MTV level, like
I found some of the same challenges where and I
say this to my entrepreneurs and people in business and
just people that are trying to get ahead, Like it
was the same kind of thing. Okay, you're on MTV.
Now this is all you're gonna do. You're only going
to be an MTVVJ. And after MTV, nobody hears from
(10:49):
you anymore. Nobody knows what happens to people after MTV,
which a lot of my MTV hosts have went on
to do amazing things, but at that time they would
tell you, like, just capitalized maximum eyes because this is
going to be short lived. They'll be they'll this is it,
They'll be on to the next one. And the entire
time I was thinking, like this being put in a
box mentality. I don't like this, Like how can I
(11:11):
continue to prove that I'm not going to be put
in a box? So I was always like plotting my
next move so that I wouldn't be put in this box.
And now I'm out the box in so many ways,
and I just want that to be an inspiration to
people who are stuck in jobs where they feel like
is this it is, It's just going to be it
for the rest you know, of my life. Come on, sis,
(11:31):
come on preaching, because the truth that is the absolute truth,
which is that when other people have put you in
a box, or you're in a situation in which you
can't see yourself your way out because it looks like
that's the only opportunity to have. Maybe you achieve the
thing that you dreamt of achieving, But now what's next?
What happens? Can you please just give us a little
(11:53):
bit of that, Like what makes you so bold? What
was it that made you feel like you couldn't move
to the next thing? Well, one thing about me, since
I was a child, I never wanted to ever depend
on anyone. I never wanted to be in a situation
where I was depending on someone. So I always wanted
to find ways to get it myself, to be independent
(12:14):
and not feel like I had to rely on someone.
And as women speaking to my women out there, so
many of us are feel like we have to be
dependent or without another person, we can't get out of
certain situations or we can't succeed. And I'm here to
tell you that that's that's absolutely not true. You have
everything you need inside of you. And I kept telling myself,
you can do this, you can do this. I had
(12:34):
to be my own cheerleader because along the way of
any journey. So many people are gonna tell you why
it's not gonna work. You know, just be happy where
you're at. You should. You started from nothing, you have
a little something. You should be good. Why are you
even trying to get anything else? Like you're doing too much?
You know you're always gonna hear that. So I had
to believe, you know, in myself and push myself. And
it all came from a place of not wanting to
(12:56):
be dependent on dependent on anyone, wanting to be independent
and be able to provide for myself and my family.
And that that just kind of pushed me. And I
always said, you know, whenever something to me starts feeling
like a job, then I know it's time to go.
Whenever it starts feeling like a job and you're regretting going,
I mean we all have bad days when when you're
regretting going there every day, or you're just in this
(13:17):
like hamster wheel of like the same thing every single day,
and when that starts wearing on your spirit, that's when
I'm like, you know what, it's time to go. And
I know you also are a person who doesn't get
put in a box, and that's something I admire about you, Like,
once you make a certain move, we think we got
you figured out that you're making another move, Like you
you do what you need to do, but it's all
(13:39):
moves to just continue, you know, finding your passion and
your your purpose. And it's like, Okay, I checked that
box off, I did what I had to do there.
Now I'm going to this next thing. And I have
a very similar personality in that sense. Do you feel
like you still have to prove yourself? Do you? Do
you feel like you still have to do that one?
More than people what people would ever know. It's especially
(14:00):
I find the most in my acting because as many
years as expenses I haven't been on MTV, there's still
a large group of people where I'm oh, that's La
La from MTV. Sometimes it's hard to shake that from MTV,
and I'm proud of it. I'm not ashamed of it.
I don't want to shake it, but I want to
come in and be seen as myself and the character like, oh,
(14:23):
she's just a VJ that wants to act, and there's
a stigma around that. So I always feel like when
it comes to my acting, I have to work extra
hard to prove that I can do it. But then
getting on the series like Power for six seasons and
the all the success Power had and being a main
character on there had really molded me and people started
finally seeing it. And then after Power, getting a call
(14:45):
from lead Await who I love and the Shy. Yeah,
and she's like, she's like, coming audition. I want to
see what you can do. I watched Power, I liked it,
but I want to see if you can handle this
and to work really hard with my acting coach and
grind it out and have to go prove myself. I mean,
even at this stage, nobody's just giving you handouts because
you're a friend or you're a cool person, you still
have to earn it. And I always say, you know,
(15:06):
we asked for these opportunities, but you have to be
ready when you're presented with the opportunities like, oh I
want to get this, I want to get that. Okay,
So when that moment comes, then what because a lot
of times these opportunities are only gonna come one time
and you have to be be prepared. Um, you know.
So I was prepared for the opportunity and now I'm
on The Shy season three, which has been amazing, but
(15:28):
still working constantly on the phone or zooming or in
class with my acting like it's a never ending process.
You don't get to a point and just like Okay,
I made it and I stopped stop working. It doesn't
work like that. It's it's constant. It's constant work these
gems right here, Okay, because seriously, the whole thought, you know,
(15:48):
you and I have talked about this around the constant
having to prove yourself, even you have the damn receipts, okay,
to prove that you've already done it, that you can
do it, you can do it better than rest um.
Having to constantly prove yourself can be really frustrating. Can
you talk a little bit about where you find the
(16:10):
inspiration to keep doing it? Like why are you not mad?
Like why are you not mad about having to prove yourself?
You and I have talked so much about the fact
that like, oh well, why why is the incoming not
coming the way that it should be, right right? Why
don't you have to keep going out ask for the opportunities?
Why are you not mad about that? Well? Well, one,
(16:34):
I'm not mad because I'm so grateful to where I
am in my life, like my mom was born to
Marcy projects that grew up in Brooklyn, like the life
I live now and the opportunities I've been presented and
just things I've done are beyond my wildest dreams. So
if it was all to stop today, I've done more
than I could have ever dreamed of. I've been able
to provide for my family and provide for myself and
(16:57):
my son, and I'm so honored for that. So there's
nothing to be mad about. I'm I'm happy that I've
been blessed with these opportunities, and getting mad it's not
gonna get me to the next level. It never had.
What's gonna get me to the next level is preparation
and being ready. So when the call comes, I'm ready
for it and also to be able. I don't do
it for other people, but there is still something great
(17:17):
when so many people tell you can't do something and
then you do it. You don't even have to say anything,
you just you just know what it is, and they
know what it is. When they see that deadline announcement
or something, it's like, oh, yeah, I remember when you said,
but only you and I know that when that happened,
but it's all good, Like it's some satisfaction. Now, I
don't care if people say it's not. It's some satisfaction. Yeah,
(17:38):
So I don't do it for them. I do it
for me. But I'm so humble and grateful and I'm
I'm super believing all my blessings coming from God, and
I have so much faith that being mad. No, I
don't know how how how I would explain that. I
think I would be too scared that God would be like, boy,
what's going on over there? And I don't want to play.
I don't want to play those games. So I'm like,
(17:59):
thank you're playing with exactly attitude of gratitude. Exactitude gratitude. No,
but that's so real, That is so real because I
find that, Um, even for myself, like yes, having to
remind myself that even when people doubt you as they do,
(18:20):
or when they ask you for the receipts and you're like,
which one because I had a hundred thousand receipts, I'm
not for sure which one you want to see right now? UM,
to remember that this, this moment is so much greater
than any that dream for myself, or that anyone I
know has achieved. I know, it's it's wild. It's my mom.
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My mom is so supportive, but even on the radio,
she was like, I mean, is that like a real
job or people like the people go? I was like,
my it is. And then when I got the l
A job, I had never been to l A before.
I mean, I didn't live a life where I was
traveling to l A in places like that. So when
I got off the plane as a teenager to take
the job in LA that's my first time ever in
l A. I was there by myself. My mom took
(19:06):
the first flight with me, and I just got dropped
off in a place didn't know anyone, by myself. But
it's a testament to just being determined and really wanting it.
And for me, I wanted to provide a better life
for myself and my family and still do so that's
kind of what just keeps me going. When we come
back La La and I get into some quarantine realness.
(19:28):
That's in just a moment. You're listening to Back to
Bills with Katie and Bows. Katie is finishing her book
and so I'm flying solo on this podcast with my
friend and Entertainment Renaissance woman La La Anthony. Let's get
back to it. First of all, I can't even believe
(19:50):
we've been we've been in lockdown for how long has
it been, Like it's been like four months before or
months for who would have ever thought, ever in a
million years that we and we're not even done yet.
That's we're not even done. And the problem is people
are loosening it up, and it's just it's it's and
I get it, like I understand it's so hard to
(20:11):
be contained for that long. You just want to get out,
but we just still have to continue to be safe
and practice social distancing and wearing masks because we want
to get this thing under control once and for all.
So when we're out, we could really be out instead
of like these little spurts of like okay, I'm out
of out and then you get shut down completely against
because so many states are going now back into phase one.
(20:33):
So you know, we want to get past that and
move forward. Yes, So let's talk about also personally, like
what that has been like for you, um, you know,
beyond being grounded, you know, like having to just sit
down in one place, which has just been very odd
for me and I'm sure it's been odd for you
because we're constantly moving. I mean most of the time
(20:54):
when I text you, my first thing is where are
you at? Girl? Because because I don't know where you are? Yes,
and we right, but we don't know where we are,
so that's always the first question. But I think also
just personally speaking, you know, having to sort of change
literally where I am, you know, and being in the
situation of, um, having to take care of my daughter
(21:17):
in a way that I probably haven't before, which you know,
has its own lessons right right, the school stuff, and
I think just even just being present all the time,
which changes a relationship. How has that been like for you,
like personally in your life, Like how how has that
been for for you? As La? La the mom, the
woman in being in quarantine? Um, you know, the mom
(21:42):
part was tough because I always say, you know, we'll
talk about how this is affecting us, and a lot
of times as parents, we don't check in with our
kids and we don't realize that look at the change
it is for them. So it's like, no, do your work,
get in front of this computer. It's like this is
all new for them. So I really tried to be
as patient as I could with my son because I
knew it was a new world for him, this online
(22:03):
class and stuff. I love the fact that we've spent
so much time together, only have one child, you know,
like you and we really just had our bonds always
been incredible. But it's even you know, tighter now. And
just to really get into his mind and what he likes,
and to be able to watch documentaries and read books together,
to watch and play Fortnite somenight, you know whatever, but
(22:24):
whatever we were doing that damn Fortnite on dripping crazy
but yeah, Fortnite. But you know, just to be a
part of his world was incredible for me. You know,
I found myself you know, reading a lot more. I
found myself doing a lot more self reflection. I found
myself really getting in touch with where I was at
mentally and personally, because when you are as busy as
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we both are, you just go, go, go, go go,
and sometimes you don't even know how you're feeling because
you just go go go. You Hey, you feel today,
I'm good? Yeah, all right, talk to lady. Everything's good.
Like you're just going, but you never really sit down
and just stop and get in tune with yourself. So
I was able to do that and and learn so
many things about myself. And then from a work perspective,
I mean, although things are shut down, I haven't done.
(23:09):
If I if I never do another live zoom that
I'll be good. It's every day. It's like zoom, zoom, zoom, live,
live live. I loved it at first. I was all
about this zoom. Now I'm like one more zoom, one
more live, one more this um that's been that's been
the funny part. But I also think we're connecting with
(23:30):
people in a way we never would. People have more
time now. I've sold a lot of shows through my
production company because people are listening more, they're more patient,
they're sitting down there really hearing you out where. You
didn't see a lot of that before. It was just
this go go go world. So that part's been really nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
that's that's for sure. I mean, listen, I didn't do
(23:50):
my first live until like this moment. But I never
I've never done no. I think I did one or something.
I don't know. Maybe I did one, Maybe I'm lying.
Maybe I did on but not enough for me to remember,
you know, And of course. It's like I think, I
remember when it it started to pick up, and I
would see the live across my you know, the top
of your Instagram and seeing so many and I was like,
(24:13):
when the hell is going on? Everybody was yeah, yeah,
you're still doing it. You're in so you're right. I
think at first was very exciting, and now I'm just like, okay,
r girl, Now I know all the tricks. It's like, oh,
you gotta see comes on because you know that's gonna
be the first. That's gonna be the first. I know
(24:34):
all the tricks. I know all the tricks. And on
my zoom, I got a great background background photo and everything.
I had figured out how to change the backgrounds depending
on what I'm talking to the damn it about of
that one, Yeah, I gotta figure see what I'm saying.
I should have I should have had that going because
I'm not I'm not in my usual location, and so
this is all when you're not in your usual location either.
(24:56):
So we're all we're all like we're doing okay. So
now on top of COVID, now we got to deal
with racial unrest, which is nothing new to us because
obviously we've dealt with it our whole lives um, which,
by the way, I think perhaps even in your career
and in you know, the ways in which you've been
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able to tell your own story, I'm sure has underlying
messages in that too. You know that you face your
own bias and challenges, especially within the entertainment industry. Um.
But speaking of our kids, like, how have you talked
to Kayene about all that is happening? What has been
his response? How are you dealing with it? You know
what I mean? Because I think it's different when you
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are experiencing yourself then when you have to explain it
to your kid. That's a that's a very very very
different situation, very different happened with you. The good thing
with Kayane is this is a conversation we've been having
with him. Obviously, now in the current climate of everything,
it's been magnified. But we have a thirteen year old
black son and we live in New York City. My
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son walks around with the hoodie. My son walks around
New York. He plays basketball, he's in gyms, he's on
the courts outside. So we tell him like this, at
any moment could be you you have to understand what's
going on, and you can't be oh, that's not me,
or you're on a video game are you dribbling the
basketball and you're not even aware of what's going on
behind you. So we made him watch certain things and
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watch certain news programs that we trusted and respected to
give the right message and talk to him about dealing
with the police. We have some police in our families
and had really candid conversations about what that's like and
what's the right protocol when you get stopped and pulled over,
And it's really unfortunate that these are the conversations we
have to have with our kids. But it's the reality
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of where it's at, where you literally have to run
drills with your kids, like Okay, if I'm a cop,
what do you do now? What do you say? Where
do you put your hands? And my son is thirteen
years old and he's big for thirteen, like he doesn't
look like a little kid. So it's um, it's important
and it's sad, but also to see away we've come
together is inspiring, and you know, our voices are so
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powerful and for me personally, when I'm hearing about all
this stuff, I go right into like, all right, what
can I do? I'm not doing enough. I gotta be
doing something. I got I gotta figure it out. So
I've just had the pleasure and honor to get to know,
you know, Brianna Taylor's mom, to be on on Zooms
with Ahmad Aubrey's mom, Eric Carner's mom, and talk to
these moms and just talk about, you know, what I
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could do personally to help amplify their voices and calls
to actions and what's needed. And Alicia Keys has been
so amazing in calling me and making sure I'm looped
into the zooms and the calls and different calls to action.
So from that standpoint, I feel inspired and I feel
like I'm using my platform for the right thing. But
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you always feel like you should be doing more. What
what more can I do? And you know, it's tricky
because you know, if you talk about what you're doing,
then it's like why are you talking about it? Not
just doing it? If you don't talk about anything, you're
not doing anything. So it's you know, you gotta find
that happy medium. But it's not as much about that
as it is about just using your platform and really
making a difference. And I feel like I've I've really
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been doing that, so I feel good about that. We're
gonna take a quick break, but we'll have more with
La La. In just a moment. You're listening to Back
to Biz with Katie and Bows, and I'm talking to
my friend La La Anthony and we're about to dive
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into this black Lives Matter moment because just this month, July,
la las thirteen year old son Kayane is on the
cover of Slam magazine with his dad, NBA All star
Carmelo Anthony father son silhouetted in black, both wearing hoodies,
staring straight into the camera, and it is path We're full, Okay,
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so let's pick back up with La La right now.
I mean, I don't tell you like the hot tears
that poured down my face when I saw the cover
the Slam. I could listen. I can't even really talk
about it. I want to ask you the question, but
I could barely. I could barely get it out because man,
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with them, like seeing them and in their hoodies. Yeah, girl,
I see, I can't even It's like it's like it's
too much. I can't even look at you because it's
too much. Um because I was just so struck, so
struck by it. Um, it was so powerful and it
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was such a reminder because I, you know, I I
obviously have a daughter, um and although I have the
conversations with her as well, because we know black women
are not immune from the disasters that we see out here. Um,
but seeing him, you know, that's my little nephew. I
was quite a minute they were talking about, you know,
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like he has to be on this cover, he has
to think about this. You know, his dad like has
a tal to him about these things like, oh my god.
And then new as your as his mom, you know,
with both of them, because like who wants to think
about the dad and the son leaving the house? Right, nobody?
Nobody wants to think about that, you know, and feeling
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fear over that. So how how do you manage that,
like even as yourself, like for for both of them,
Like what did you even think when you saw the cover?
Did you see the cover before cover at the house.
So I was there while it was being shot, and
I just wanted to make sure Cayenne recognize how powerful
that was and what it really meant. It wasn't just
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all I'm on the cover of Slam let me go
tell all my friends, I'm on the cover of Slam,
and I'm representing Black Lives Matter. I'm representing kids who
have been killed senselessly to gun violence and police brutality.
That look just like me, that walk, just how I walked,
that talk just like I talk. I wanted him to
understand how powerful that was. And that whole entire issue,
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which is out now, just deals with you know, sports,
the worries involving racism, sports stories that have been ignored
because they've involved injustices or you know, police brutality, just
stories that we needed to hear. And Mello was the
guest editor of that issue, which I was super proud
of that, and that's so iconic. I mean, my hope
is that one day Cayen has his own kids and
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can look back on that cover and say, hey, look
when I was on the cover of you know, Slam magazine.
It's it's incredible, But it was for a greater purpose,
which is to continue to amplify voices and the message
and make sure people aren't forgotten about. Like we said,
some of the hashtags might be dying down, some of
the protests might be dying down, but there's still so
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much work to do, and you don't stop just because
hashtag isn't trending anymore, right, right, right, right. And that's
the thing, is that because you know, hashtags don't live forever, um.
But we know that the pain of mothers do live forever.
Mothers who have lost their children. Um. And like you said,
you've been in contact with on A Taylor's mother and
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a mod Aubrey's mother and working with Alicia Keys on
so many of these communication platforms and using your own
platform to do it. I mean, I think most of
us right are so struck by these stories. And we
see their faces and we see the press conferences, and
it's it's just so terrible. You feel it in your
spirit and your gut. You feel ill, you know, having
to think about what they've lost. But what is it
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that you've learned from from these mothers, these women, um,
that you've had, you know, the privilege of being in
touch with unfortunately for such a sad and terrible, evil
moment in time. Well, I learned that you know, there's
nothing in this world that can match a mother's love,
and you know that is just such a powerful thing.
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And I learned what being strong really means. I mean,
we all have problems and issues and it's like, oh, well,
I mean, or why am I going through this? You
have to look at what these women are going through
that by their children too, pully brutality to gun violence
to injustice, and how they're still able to hold their
head high and say, I'm gonna do this for my son.
I'm gonna do this for my daughter. I'm gonna get
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justice for my son. I'm gonna get laws change, I'm
not gonna fight or rest until it happens. I mean,
it's so powerful, and it just makes you feel like
you gotta you gotta be right there with them, You
gotta do whatever it takes to get whatever they need
done done, and you just want to take care of them.
So I learned what strength really is and learn what
power really is. And I learned also how much we
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can do when we band together and help each other,
whether it's as women, or whether it's as black people,
whether it's as a community. Like our power is so strong,
and a lot of times we don't recognize that. Our
power when it comes to our spending dollar, our power
when it comes to fashion, our power when it comes
to anything is so strong, but a lot of times
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we've been made to believe that, you know, just be quiet,
don't say too much, to stay in lane, don't ruffle
any feathers. And now people are like, no, we're ruffling feathers,
and we'll call let people out, you know, for their bullshit.
We we bringing people to the table, and it's been
amazing to see because it's been a learning experience for everybody,
Like we all need to learn something during this time
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and continue to educate ourselves and our and our children. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
And you know what I think that's the that's the
most amazing thing to me, is of course about the future,
you know, and what what we are learning about, not
just you know, the frustration of the past, because even
as I think about racial unrest, I'm like, listen, I
remember when Rodney King, you know, was beaten and attacked
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and the riots that happened then in l A and
all the other incidents since that have been publicly known.
Obviously there's so many that are not publicly owned. Um,
but also not losing the sense of optimism, you know,
because we do want a better world for our children,
and we see a better future even for ourselves, like
I don't even just push it on our kids, like
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I I want to see a better future from me.
I know, it's like I want, I need this change
that happens then later, because it's been long enough. It's
been long enough, okay, Because like I was saying, like
even for yourself, Like you know, you've you've been in
this business, in this entertainment and media business a long time,
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and we know what that is like, and what racism
looks like in that industry. What gives you hope you know,
for the future, even for yourself, like short term, you know,
I mean definitely when I see just our children are
young people using their voices. When I see us banning
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together and looking at the protests and looking at everyone
focused on this change, and just how powerful we are
when we come together, that gives me hope. That makes
me confident for the future, and us finally recognizing and
realizing our power. We don't have to stay quiet. We're
not going to be forced to stay quiet. We're not
going to stay quiet anymore. And watching what happens when
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we actually do speak up and say you know what, no,
I'm not gonna take this anymore. This is wrong and
just seeing the power in numbers is an amazing, beautiful thing.
So that gives me hope for our future. And seeing
you know, the younger generation just doing their part to say,
you know, we're not we're not going to stand for
this anymore. We want to grow up in a different world.
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That's what definitely gives me hope. Yeah, yeah, And I
mean because you're a storyteller, you know, someone who has
used our own voice, like we were saying, since you
were a kid, really right, um, and have evolved your
voice through the years and obviously producing even what is
there your thought about storytelling for the future, you know,
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even even as you continue to explore your own storytelling
of course, So to me, you know, I want storytelling
to be about what we want our people to con zoom.
Let's tell our stories. Let's talk about what we go
through that only we're gonna be able to understand. Let's
talk about the things that matter to us, which is
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why I love you know, even a show like The
Shy dealing with growing up in Chicago and everything that's
happened on The Shy. Now we shot The Shy before
all of this stuff kind of just hit the way
it did. And it's like Lena wrote the Shy yesterday,
just looking at everything's going on, because this has been
going on, it didn't just start. So shows that reflect
what's happening out there and people can watch and go
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that's me. I went through that. I can understand that.
Shows for Black women that show us being powerful, being bosses,
you know, being independent, you know, being great moms, workers, wives, lovers,
whatever it is, shows that you know uplift us and
show us in a different light. That's what I want
to be a part of that type of story storytelling,
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like stories that matter to us. And I want to
be able to look at shows, whether it's The Shy,
Power Insecure, I mean so many and say, you know
that's me, that looks like me, that that's a representation
of who I am. There's there's nothing, there's no greater
feeling than that. Yeah, I'm so really am. I'm so
proud of you, I really am. With all of the
aation and your characters. Um, you have played some very
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iconic characters. Thank you, thank you and all the memes
that have been created, O Kesha and everybody else you
know what I'm saying, Like they're going in that's that.
That's what is that? What is funny? Listen? That got
us all, Okay, yes, I know. I think I might
have texted you that day as well. I was like,
I think I did. I think I think you could
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give me a heads up like that. I think you did.
You did, I think you did. I think you did.
I think you did. I think you did. But like
fifty always told me, if you gotta go out, you
want to go out memorable. You want to go out
where people are talking about it, which I did because
the show ended, it could have just been like, oh, well,
you know what happened to Lukisha, But now it was
a moment and I used that momentum to take me into,
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you know, my next thing with the Shy And to
go from working with Courtney Kemp, who was a mentor
and one of my closest friends, are just an amazing
human being and writer, and then to leave that and
go rock with Lena and the crew over there. I mean,
I'm blessed, and man, I'm just so so grateful for
attitude of gratitude. Thattitude gratitude. Yeah, because listen, you keep
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evolving and that I feel like it's a great message
in this moment, you know, of especially all of this
chaos and feeling and quite lost in sort of a
drift because we don't know when things are gonna end.
We don't know what to do. Some people are waiting
for things to get back to normal, you know, before
moving on or getting back to what they always did.
(39:36):
But perhaps it's like using the time to reinvent. Yeah
it is. I mean, that's that's a great thing. Reinvent
yourself in business, reinvent yourself in your your personal life.
Just reinvent how you feel about yourself. Constantly, do mental
health checks on yourself. And like I say, it's okay
to not have it all together all the time. Everybody
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is struggling during this time. It's hard for all of us.
And if you feel yourself getting to that point or unraveling,
not being afraid to call a friend or call someone
for some help, because this is a lot for everybody.
You're not meant to have it all together every single day,
twenty four hours a day. You're gonna have your ups
and downs and you have to be okay with that.
It don't be so hard on yourself. Yeah, no, that's true.
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How are you keeping your your mental health, Like what
are you doing for I think selfcare is such a
buzzword and that's not really what I'm asking, but it's
it's like, how are you keeping yourself feeling good and motivated?
And you know, I have I have people that I
go to when I'm feeling down. I talked to. Sometimes
it's me saying a prayer. Sometimes it's reading a book,
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sometimes it's meditation, whatever it is, Like, you have to
find what that thing is. Talking to a therapist, which
is something that you know has been super helpful and
you know for a long time, especially with us, it's
like therapy, Like what is therapy? Like I remember my
mom saying, you know, people would say, you know, only
crazy people go to therapy. I'm like, well, the crazy
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people seem to have got it figured out because we
should have been going to therapy and it's so helpful
and you can't be ashamed of it. So whatever you
have to do. But you know, it's just about constantly
checking in with yourself and understanding that you're not supposed
to have it all together all the time. They're gonna
be good days, it's gonna be the bad days. That's
part of living that's part of the process, but just
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recognizing on those bad days, what's causing it to be
a bad day, and how do you get yourself, you know,
out of that. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Well if there's
one thing that I learned from you, girl, that regardless
of the situation, be it personal, professional, whatever, you find
a way to rise up out of it. And I
thank you, like I said, exceedingly proud of you and
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very very grateful for your time. Thank you, Thank you
had a great shot. I can't wait till this is
over so I can actually hug you. Because it's social.
I don't like this. I want to give you a hug.
I want to hug like hell, I just want to
see how you guys are doing. But I love you
and I'm so proud of everything you're doing going in
You know, we talk all the time, so we'll talk soon, exactly.
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All right, everybody, my boss St. John. You're listening to
Back to Biz with Katie and Bows, except there is
no Katie this week because she is on excessive book deadline.
And so I am flying solo. Um, I'm terrified. I'm very,
very scared to fly solo. But it's okay. You know
why it's okay because I have my very good girlfriend
(00:27):
who is an incredible person um, not just an entertainer
and not just a creator, but an all around incredible
woman who is joining me today La La Anthony, and
I'm so I'm so happy to be here. You're gonna
be fine riding solo tonight. I got your back. Don't
(00:47):
worry about that. You are great and everything you do.
I appreciate you so much. I do you. You've really
you've done it all. You've done it all, and you
inspire me because there are so many facets of not
just your personality, but you're ingenuity, your innovation, the way
that you transform yourself that I think so many people
(01:09):
could learn from. You know, we were in this time
in which so many people are trying to figure out
what they're gonna do. Right, it feels like a moment
where we're all trying to re energize and trying to
figure out how to create in this time when there
is so much chaos happening, you know, and trying to reinvent,
(01:29):
and you, my dear, are the queen of reinvention. But
can we we also just talk about how we first met,
because I feel like you're my bestie, and I think
I think I'm one of them, Yes exactly, I say that, yes,
one of them, because otherwise other people get mad, that's right,
and other your best seas will get mad too if
(01:49):
we just playing each other, only because we do run
in quite a crew of impressive women. But from what
I remember, I've always known who you were, was always
paying attention to all the amazing things that you've done.
And then I remember us meeting at the b E
t hert Awards. Yes, I said, my cousin was with me,
and I was like, you gotta go say how to her?
(02:10):
And then like bring me over there and introduced me.
But like, don't make it obvious. I want to meet her,
but I don't want to look too thirsty. So can
you act like you want to meet her? And then
like we we I don't even know if you know
that story, but we played on the whole thing out
and then when it went in for the kill, and
then I came behind and we met, and I don't know,
(02:32):
it's like it was like we've known each other our
whole lives and we just did it all from there. No, seriously,
because the feeling, the feeling that I had said, I've
always seen you, you know, I've always seen you either
on TV or I've seen you at different industry events
or whatnot, and so I knew of you, and I
knew you were sweet, like you're always very kind, you know,
whenever we passed each other and whatever the event, um
(02:55):
always really really nice. But then yes, when your cousin
came up to me, I was like, oh, yes, here's
my information. I think I did for every piece of
contact information. I was like, here's my cell phone, here's
my second cell phone number, there's my email address, and
also my daughter's birthday. I was like, whatever, whatever she needs, like,
just have a contact with But I just I just
love so glad. I'm grateful. Yes, we've had an amazing friendship.
(03:16):
And it's always important to surround yourself with people that
inspire you and people that push you and motivate you
to do more and and just fulfill your purpose and
your passion. So you're definitely one of those people in
my life and I really appreciate that. Well, thank you, honey.
I mean the truth of the matter, though, is that
you to you're not new to this, okay, like you
(03:39):
you've been at this, at this game of entertainment, of
reinvention of storytelling, which I find is, you know, sort
of a cornerstone of my own career, but in a
different standpoint because you've been i mean on on the
microphone and in front of cameras for a long time.
Can you talk about how you first started, because it
(04:00):
was like fifteen or sixteen years old right in Atlanta.
So I started. I wasn't intern at sixteen years old
at the radio station in Atlanta. It was the same
radio station that Ludacris worked at, but at that time
he went under the name Chris Love a Lover. So
he was there and he had been in the game
radio game longer than me. He's older than me, so
(04:20):
he had been there a few years. And then I
came up and I had just moved to Atlanta from
New York. I'm from New York. And my mom wanted
to get out of New York and go to Atlanta.
So we went there and I started interning, and I
was just like, you know, I'm gonna bust my behind
to get recognized and show everyone here that I'm a
(04:41):
hard work and what I could do. And they're like,
but how old are you? And I started lying saying
that I was eighteen, because to get the internship you
had to be eighteen. So I was like, oh, I'm eighteen,
but I was only sixteen years old, and I got
the internship and the rest was kind of history. I
started on the radio with Ludacris, and then from there
I turned position to radio in l A and then
(05:02):
I became an MTVVJ and then a producer, actor, host, entrepreneur,
all of those things. But definitely it started in a
radio and that's my first love. And I know that
my career, you know, took off because of my love
of music, and it took me to all these different
amazing places. So okay, so but we gotta pause though,
because I mean, you just ran through like seventeen careers,
(05:24):
you know what I'm saying, Like other people are like, yes,
I want to be on the radio and then they
maybe they get there, maybe they get there and then
they stay there, you know. But you were like, yes,
I'm gonna be on the radio and I'm gonna be
a VJ, and I'm gonna be an act person, I'm
gonna be an entrepreneur. I mean, my god, Okay, so
let's let's let's start from the transition from being on
the radio to being a VJ. How did that happen
(05:47):
and why did you want to do it and why
do you think you succeeded at it? Well, for one,
you know, starting on the radio was an amazing platform.
But then people would always say kind of what you said.
You know, when you get on the radio, a lot
of people would just stay on the radio, like just
be happy. This is how it starts and ends for you.
You're on the radio, Like that's it. You can't She
didn't want anything more. You're on the radio. And I
(06:09):
kept thinking, well why not? And I was like, after radio,
what feels like the natural next step? And I was like, well,
TV to me, feels like the next step after radio.
So when MTV UM I was on the radio in
l A and I became really recognized. People knew my
voice and knew who I was, so MTV called one day.
They actually called the receptionist at the radio stage. I
(06:29):
remember walking into work. I was at that time now
like eighteen years old in Los Angeles, and they said, hey,
somebody from MTV called looking for you, and it was
like a sticky note with like a number on it.
I was TV. So I called and they were like,
we just want you to come in. We've heard a
lot about you, we just want to meet you. I
was like okay, So I came in and then they
saw me and they were like, oh, you should be
(06:51):
on TV, Like have you ever thought about that? And
I was like yeah, I've been wanting to do it,
and then they went I went through an audition kind
of process where I had to interview people and show
them that I could be good on camera. But I
already had a lot of the lessons from radio, because
even though you don't see someone's face a lot of times,
in radio, it's the same concept. You're interviewing people, you're
being personable. So I brought all of that to my
(07:13):
audition and then they said, hey, do you want to
move back to New York where I'm from and start
hosting one of our MTV shows, and I was like, absolutely,
And then I moved to New York and started doing that,
and then ultimately during MTV, I was switched over to
become one of the premier host of TRL, which at
that time was the biggest the biggest show on television.
(07:34):
Still is like, when I go back and think of
the MTV days, I'm just like, I'm in awe of it.
Because when you're in a job, you're just kind of
doing your job and trying to be great at it.
But it does sometimes it takes you stepping out to
look back and go we were making history, like thousands
of kids in Times Square every day, everything that was
going on, and to be at the center of that.
And I also find it funny when people say, you know,
(07:55):
I grew up watching you on MTV and and it's
a compliment, but at the same time, I'm like eyes,
when I was on MTV, I was twenty years old,
Like you're saying it, like like okay, when and I
was twenty, Like we grew up watching me, but we
were the same age. So it's just kind of funny.
But MTV was such a great experience and I made
so many relationships there and it was so great for me.
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And then as MTV started changing over the years and
becoming like less about music videos and t R I
was coming to and end. I was like, Okay, now
it's time to make the next transition and what would
that be? That would be acting, producing, more hosting. And
so I went back to l A and really focused
on pursuing my acting career, going to acting classes, working
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with an acting coach, really just taking it super seriously.
It was always there, but like really laser focused in
on it, going on auditions, and then I started booking
like small, small stuff and my first big I would say,
people know me from like really young. I was in
You Got Served and two Can Play the Game and
all these these movies when I was But my real
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kind of big break was when I became part of
the Think Like a Man franchise and I wasn't think
like a Man wanted too. And after that is where
I finally saw like, Wow, I could really have a career.
You know in this thing and rambling, you're not rambling.
This is a history. Okay history. It's like, everybody pay attention,
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this is history because the truth of the matter is
you were at the center of a lot of things
that started trends that we still see today. You know
when you think about tr ral and everything that was
modeled after TRL, because before I tr round, nothing had
been done like that before, you know, so then you
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started modeling what that looked like. And are you seriously yes?
I watched you on t R l okay, And the
most amazing thing to me is that, of course people
are gonna say, you know, they grew up watching you,
but that is such an incredible accolade to be a
somewhat mentor fright away mentor and aspiration to people who
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are your same age. It's it's definitely cool, yeah, because
they're not looking at somebody who's like far far ahead
of them. They're looking at you, and they're like they're
putting themselves in your shoes and saying, well, she can
do it, I can do it. You know. That's incredible.
Thank you. It was incredible, credible journey, and I don't
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take it lightly. MTV was an amazing place. I learned
so much there, but even at the MTV level, like
I found some of the same challenges where and I
say this to my entrepreneurs and people in business and
just people that are trying to get ahead, Like it
was the same kind of thing. Okay, you're on MTV.
Now this is all you're gonna do. You're only going
to be an MTVVJ. And after MTV, nobody hears from
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you anymore. Nobody knows what happens to people after MTV,
which a lot of my MTV hosts have went on
to do amazing things, but at that time they would
tell you, like, just capitalized maximum eyes because this is
going to be short lived. They'll be they'll this is it,
They'll be on to the next one. And the entire
time I was thinking, like this being put in a
box mentality. I don't like this, Like how can I
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continue to prove that I'm not going to be put
in a box? So I was always like plotting my
next move so that I wouldn't be put in this box.
And now I'm out the box in so many ways,
and I just want that to be an inspiration to
people who are stuck in jobs where they feel like
is this it is, It's just going to be it
for the rest you know, of my life. Come on, sis,
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come on preaching, because the truth that is the absolute truth,
which is that when other people have put you in
a box, or you're in a situation in which you
can't see yourself your way out because it looks like
that's the only opportunity to have. Maybe you achieve the
thing that you dreamt of achieving, But now what's next?
What happens? Can you please just give us a little
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bit of that, Like what makes you so bold? What
was it that made you feel like you couldn't move
to the next thing? Well, one thing about me, since
I was a child, I never wanted to ever depend
on anyone. I never wanted to be in a situation
where I was depending on someone. So I always wanted
to find ways to get it myself, to be independent
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and not feel like I had to rely on someone.
And as women speaking to my women out there, so
many of us are feel like we have to be
dependent or without another person, we can't get out of
certain situations or we can't succeed. And I'm here to
tell you that that's that's absolutely not true. You have
everything you need inside of you. And I kept telling myself,
you can do this, you can do this. I had
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to be my own cheerleader because along the way of
any journey. So many people are gonna tell you why
it's not gonna work. You know, just be happy where
you're at. You should. You started from nothing, you have
a little something. You should be good. Why are you
even trying to get anything else? Like you're doing too much?
You know you're always gonna hear that. So I had
to believe, you know, in myself and push myself. And
it all came from a place of not wanting to
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be dependent on dependent on anyone, wanting to be independent
and be able to provide for myself and my family.
And that that just kind of pushed me. And I
always said, you know, whenever something to me starts feeling
like a job, then I know it's time to go.
Whenever it starts feeling like a job and you're regretting going,
I mean we all have bad days when when you're
regretting going there every day, or you're just in this
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like hamster wheel of like the same thing every single day,
and when that starts wearing on your spirit, that's when
I'm like, you know what, it's time to go. And
I know you also are a person who doesn't get
put in a box, and that's something I admire about you, Like,
once you make a certain move, we think we got
you figured out that you're making another move, Like you
you do what you need to do, but it's all
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moves to just continue, you know, finding your passion and
your your purpose. And it's like, Okay, I checked that
box off, I did what I had to do there.
Now I'm going to this next thing. And I have
a very similar personality in that sense. Do you feel
like you still have to prove yourself? Do you? Do
you feel like you still have to do that one?
More than people what people would ever know. It's especially
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I find the most in my acting because as many
years as expenses I haven't been on MTV, there's still
a large group of people where I'm oh, that's La
La from MTV. Sometimes it's hard to shake that from MTV,
and I'm proud of it. I'm not ashamed of it.
I don't want to shake it, but I want to
come in and be seen as myself and the character like, oh,
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she's just a VJ that wants to act, and there's
a stigma around that. So I always feel like when
it comes to my acting, I have to work extra
hard to prove that I can do it. But then
getting on the series like Power for six seasons and
the all the success Power had and being a main
character on there had really molded me and people started
finally seeing it. And then after Power, getting a call
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from lead Await who I love and the Shy. Yeah,
and she's like, she's like, coming audition. I want to
see what you can do. I watched Power, I liked it,
but I want to see if you can handle this
and to work really hard with my acting coach and
grind it out and have to go prove myself. I mean,
even at this stage, nobody's just giving you handouts because
you're a friend or you're a cool person, you still
have to earn it. And I always say, you know,
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we asked for these opportunities, but you have to be
ready when you're presented with the opportunities like, oh I
want to get this, I want to get that. Okay,
So when that moment comes, then what because a lot
of times these opportunities are only gonna come one time
and you have to be be prepared. Um, you know.
So I was prepared for the opportunity and now I'm
on The Shy season three, which has been amazing, but
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still working constantly on the phone or zooming or in
class with my acting like it's a never ending process.
You don't get to a point and just like Okay,
I made it and I stopped stop working. It doesn't
work like that. It's it's constant. It's constant work these
gems right here, Okay, because seriously, the whole thought, you know,
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you and I have talked about this around the constant
having to prove yourself, even you have the damn receipts, okay,
to prove that you've already done it, that you can
do it, you can do it better than rest um.
Having to constantly prove yourself can be really frustrating. Can
you talk a little bit about where you find the
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inspiration to keep doing it? Like why are you not mad?
Like why are you not mad about having to prove yourself?
You and I have talked so much about the fact
that like, oh well, why why is the incoming not
coming the way that it should be, right right? Why
don't you have to keep going out ask for the opportunities?
Why are you not mad about that? Well? Well, one,
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I'm not mad because I'm so grateful to where I
am in my life, like my mom was born to
Marcy projects that grew up in Brooklyn, like the life
I live now and the opportunities I've been presented and
just things I've done are beyond my wildest dreams. So
if it was all to stop today, I've done more
than I could have ever dreamed of. I've been able
to provide for my family and provide for myself and
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my son, and I'm so honored for that. So there's
nothing to be mad about. I'm I'm happy that I've
been blessed with these opportunities, and getting mad it's not
gonna get me to the next level. It never had.
What's gonna get me to the next level is preparation
and being ready. So when the call comes, I'm ready
for it and also to be able. I don't do
it for other people, but there is still something great
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when so many people tell you can't do something and
then you do it. You don't even have to say anything,
you just you just know what it is, and they
know what it is. When they see that deadline announcement
or something, it's like, oh, yeah, I remember when you said,
but only you and I know that when that happened,
but it's all good, Like it's some satisfaction. Now, I
don't care if people say it's not. It's some satisfaction. Yeah,
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So I don't do it for them. I do it
for me. But I'm so humble and grateful and I'm
I'm super believing all my blessings coming from God, and
I have so much faith that being mad. No, I
don't know how how how I would explain that. I
think I would be too scared that God would be like, boy,
what's going on over there? And I don't want to play.
I don't want to play those games. So I'm like,
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thank you're playing with exactly attitude of gratitude. Exactitude gratitude. No,
but that's so real, That is so real because I
find that, Um, even for myself, like yes, having to
remind myself that even when people doubt you as they do,
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or when they ask you for the receipts and you're like,
which one because I had a hundred thousand receipts, I'm
not for sure which one you want to see right now? UM,
to remember that this, this moment is so much greater
than any that dream for myself, or that anyone I
know has achieved. I know, it's it's wild. It's my mom.
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My mom is so supportive, but even on the radio,
she was like, I mean, is that like a real
job or people like the people go? I was like,
my it is. And then when I got the l
A job, I had never been to l A before.
I mean, I didn't live a life where I was
traveling to l A in places like that. So when
I got off the plane as a teenager to take
the job in LA that's my first time ever in
l A. I was there by myself. My mom took
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the first flight with me, and I just got dropped
off in a place didn't know anyone, by myself. But
it's a testament to just being determined and really wanting it.
And for me, I wanted to provide a better life
for myself and my family and still do so that's
kind of what just keeps me going. When we come
back La La and I get into some quarantine realness.
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That's in just a moment. You're listening to Back to
Bills with Katie and Bows. Katie is finishing her book
and so I'm flying solo on this podcast with my
friend and Entertainment Renaissance woman La La Anthony. Let's get
back to it. First of all, I can't even believe
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we've been we've been in lockdown for how long has
it been, Like it's been like four months before or
months for who would have ever thought, ever in a
million years that we and we're not even done yet.
That's we're not even done. And the problem is people
are loosening it up, and it's just it's it's and
I get it, like I understand it's so hard to
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be contained for that long. You just want to get out,
but we just still have to continue to be safe
and practice social distancing and wearing masks because we want
to get this thing under control once and for all.
So when we're out, we could really be out instead
of like these little spurts of like okay, I'm out
of out and then you get shut down completely against
because so many states are going now back into phase one.
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So you know, we want to get past that and
move forward. Yes, So let's talk about also personally, like
what that has been like for you, um, you know,
beyond being grounded, you know, like having to just sit
down in one place, which has just been very odd
for me and I'm sure it's been odd for you
because we're constantly moving. I mean most of the time
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when I text you, my first thing is where are
you at? Girl? Because because I don't know where you are? Yes,
and we right, but we don't know where we are,
so that's always the first question. But I think also
just personally speaking, you know, having to sort of change
literally where I am, you know, and being in the
situation of, um, having to take care of my daughter
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in a way that I probably haven't before, which you know,
has its own lessons right right, the school stuff, and
I think just even just being present all the time,
which changes a relationship. How has that been like for you,
like personally in your life, Like how how has that
been for for you? As La? La the mom, the
woman in being in quarantine? Um, you know, the mom
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part was tough because I always say, you know, we'll
talk about how this is affecting us, and a lot
of times as parents, we don't check in with our
kids and we don't realize that look at the change
it is for them. So it's like, no, do your work,
get in front of this computer. It's like this is
all new for them. So I really tried to be
as patient as I could with my son because I
knew it was a new world for him, this online
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class and stuff. I love the fact that we've spent
so much time together, only have one child, you know,
like you and we really just had our bonds always
been incredible. But it's even you know, tighter now. And
just to really get into his mind and what he likes,
and to be able to watch documentaries and read books together,
to watch and play Fortnite somenight, you know whatever, but
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whatever we were doing that damn Fortnite on dripping crazy
but yeah, Fortnite. But you know, just to be a
part of his world was incredible for me. You know,
I found myself you know, reading a lot more. I
found myself doing a lot more self reflection. I found
myself really getting in touch with where I was at
mentally and personally, because when you are as busy as
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we both are, you just go, go, go, go go,
and sometimes you don't even know how you're feeling because
you just go go go. You Hey, you feel today,
I'm good? Yeah, all right, talk to lady. Everything's good.
Like you're just going, but you never really sit down
and just stop and get in tune with yourself. So
I was able to do that and and learn so
many things about myself. And then from a work perspective,
I mean, although things are shut down, I haven't done.
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If I if I never do another live zoom that
I'll be good. It's every day. It's like zoom, zoom, zoom, live,
live live. I loved it at first. I was all
about this zoom. Now I'm like one more zoom, one
more live, one more this um that's been that's been
the funny part. But I also think we're connecting with
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people in a way we never would. People have more
time now. I've sold a lot of shows through my
production company because people are listening more, they're more patient,
they're sitting down there really hearing you out where. You
didn't see a lot of that before. It was just
this go go go world. So that part's been really nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
that's that's for sure. I mean, listen, I didn't do
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my first live until like this moment. But I never
I've never done no. I think I did one or something.
I don't know. Maybe I did one, Maybe I'm lying.
Maybe I did on but not enough for me to remember,
you know, And of course. It's like I think, I
remember when it it started to pick up, and I
would see the live across my you know, the top
of your Instagram and seeing so many and I was like,
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when the hell is going on? Everybody was yeah, yeah,
you're still doing it. You're in so you're right. I
think at first was very exciting, and now I'm just like, okay,
r girl, Now I know all the tricks. It's like, oh,
you gotta see comes on because you know that's gonna
be the first. That's gonna be the first. I know
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all the tricks. I know all the tricks. And on
my zoom, I got a great background background photo and everything.
I had figured out how to change the backgrounds depending
on what I'm talking to the damn it about of
that one, Yeah, I gotta figure see what I'm saying.
I should have I should have had that going because
I'm not I'm not in my usual location, and so
this is all when you're not in your usual location either.
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So we're all we're all like we're doing okay. So
now on top of COVID, now we got to deal
with racial unrest, which is nothing new to us because
obviously we've dealt with it our whole lives um, which,
by the way, I think perhaps even in your career
and in you know, the ways in which you've been
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able to tell your own story, I'm sure has underlying
messages in that too. You know that you face your
own bias and challenges, especially within the entertainment industry. Um.
But speaking of our kids, like, how have you talked
to Kayene about all that is happening? What has been
his response? How are you dealing with it? You know
what I mean? Because I think it's different when you
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are experiencing yourself then when you have to explain it
to your kid. That's a that's a very very very
different situation, very different happened with you. The good thing
with Kayane is this is a conversation we've been having
with him. Obviously, now in the current climate of everything,
it's been magnified. But we have a thirteen year old
black son and we live in New York City. My
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son walks around with the hoodie. My son walks around
New York. He plays basketball, he's in gyms, he's on
the courts outside. So we tell him like this, at
any moment could be you you have to understand what's
going on, and you can't be oh, that's not me,
or you're on a video game are you dribbling the
basketball and you're not even aware of what's going on
behind you. So we made him watch certain things and
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watch certain news programs that we trusted and respected to
give the right message and talk to him about dealing
with the police. We have some police in our families
and had really candid conversations about what that's like and
what's the right protocol when you get stopped and pulled over,
And it's really unfortunate that these are the conversations we
have to have with our kids. But it's the reality
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of where it's at, where you literally have to run
drills with your kids, like Okay, if I'm a cop,
what do you do now? What do you say? Where
do you put your hands? And my son is thirteen
years old and he's big for thirteen, like he doesn't
look like a little kid. So it's um, it's important
and it's sad, but also to see away we've come
together is inspiring, and you know, our voices are so
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powerful and for me personally, when I'm hearing about all
this stuff, I go right into like, all right, what
can I do? I'm not doing enough. I gotta be
doing something. I got I gotta figure it out. So
I've just had the pleasure and honor to get to know,
you know, Brianna Taylor's mom, to be on on Zooms
with Ahmad Aubrey's mom, Eric Carner's mom, and talk to
these moms and just talk about, you know, what I
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could do personally to help amplify their voices and calls
to actions and what's needed. And Alicia Keys has been
so amazing in calling me and making sure I'm looped
into the zooms and the calls and different calls to action.
So from that standpoint, I feel inspired and I feel
like I'm using my platform for the right thing. But
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you always feel like you should be doing more. What
what more can I do? And you know, it's tricky
because you know, if you talk about what you're doing,
then it's like why are you talking about it? Not
just doing it? If you don't talk about anything, you're
not doing anything. So it's you know, you gotta find
that happy medium. But it's not as much about that
as it is about just using your platform and really
making a difference. And I feel like I've I've really
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been doing that, so I feel good about that. We're
gonna take a quick break, but we'll have more with
La La. In just a moment. You're listening to Back
to Biz with Katie and Bows, and I'm talking to
my friend La La Anthony and we're about to dive
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into this black Lives Matter moment because just this month, July,
la las thirteen year old son Kayane is on the
cover of Slam magazine with his dad, NBA All star
Carmelo Anthony father son silhouetted in black, both wearing hoodies,
staring straight into the camera, and it is path We're full, Okay,
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so let's pick back up with La La right now.
I mean, I don't tell you like the hot tears
that poured down my face when I saw the cover
the Slam. I could listen. I can't even really talk
about it. I want to ask you the question, but
I could barely. I could barely get it out because man,
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with them, like seeing them and in their hoodies. Yeah, girl,
I see, I can't even It's like it's like it's
too much. I can't even look at you because it's
too much. Um because I was just so struck, so
struck by it. Um, it was so powerful and it
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was such a reminder because I, you know, I I
obviously have a daughter, um and although I have the
conversations with her as well, because we know black women
are not immune from the disasters that we see out here. Um,
but seeing him, you know, that's my little nephew. I
was quite a minute they were talking about, you know,
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like he has to be on this cover, he has
to think about this. You know, his dad like has
a tal to him about these things like, oh my god.
And then new as your as his mom, you know,
with both of them, because like who wants to think
about the dad and the son leaving the house? Right, nobody?
Nobody wants to think about that, you know, and feeling
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fear over that. So how how do you manage that,
like even as yourself, like for for both of them,
Like what did you even think when you saw the cover?
Did you see the cover before cover at the house.
So I was there while it was being shot, and
I just wanted to make sure Cayenne recognize how powerful
that was and what it really meant. It wasn't just
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all I'm on the cover of Slam let me go
tell all my friends, I'm on the cover of Slam,
and I'm representing Black Lives Matter. I'm representing kids who
have been killed senselessly to gun violence and police brutality.
That look just like me, that walk, just how I walked,
that talk just like I talk. I wanted him to
understand how powerful that was. And that whole entire issue,
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which is out now, just deals with you know, sports,
the worries involving racism, sports stories that have been ignored
because they've involved injustices or you know, police brutality, just
stories that we needed to hear. And Mello was the
guest editor of that issue, which I was super proud
of that, and that's so iconic. I mean, my hope
is that one day Cayen has his own kids and
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can look back on that cover and say, hey, look
when I was on the cover of you know, Slam magazine.
It's it's incredible, But it was for a greater purpose,
which is to continue to amplify voices and the message
and make sure people aren't forgotten about. Like we said,
some of the hashtags might be dying down, some of
the protests might be dying down, but there's still so
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much work to do, and you don't stop just because
hashtag isn't trending anymore, right, right, right, right. And that's
the thing, is that because you know, hashtags don't live forever, um.
But we know that the pain of mothers do live forever.
Mothers who have lost their children. Um. And like you said,
you've been in contact with on A Taylor's mother and
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a mod Aubrey's mother and working with Alicia Keys on
so many of these communication platforms and using your own
platform to do it. I mean, I think most of
us right are so struck by these stories. And we
see their faces and we see the press conferences, and
it's it's just so terrible. You feel it in your
spirit and your gut. You feel ill, you know, having
to think about what they've lost. But what is it
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that you've learned from from these mothers, these women, um,
that you've had, you know, the privilege of being in
touch with unfortunately for such a sad and terrible, evil
moment in time. Well, I learned that you know, there's
nothing in this world that can match a mother's love,
and you know that is just such a powerful thing.
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And I learned what being strong really means. I mean,
we all have problems and issues and it's like, oh, well,
I mean, or why am I going through this? You
have to look at what these women are going through
that by their children too, pully brutality to gun violence
to injustice, and how they're still able to hold their
head high and say, I'm gonna do this for my son.
I'm gonna do this for my daughter. I'm gonna get
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justice for my son. I'm gonna get laws change, I'm
not gonna fight or rest until it happens. I mean,
it's so powerful, and it just makes you feel like
you gotta you gotta be right there with them, You
gotta do whatever it takes to get whatever they need
done done, and you just want to take care of them.
So I learned what strength really is and learn what
power really is. And I learned also how much we
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can do when we band together and help each other,
whether it's as women, or whether it's as black people,
whether it's as a community. Like our power is so strong,
and a lot of times we don't recognize that. Our
power when it comes to our spending dollar, our power
when it comes to fashion, our power when it comes
to anything is so strong, but a lot of times
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we've been made to believe that, you know, just be quiet,
don't say too much, to stay in lane, don't ruffle
any feathers. And now people are like, no, we're ruffling feathers,
and we'll call let people out, you know, for their bullshit.
We we bringing people to the table, and it's been
amazing to see because it's been a learning experience for everybody,
Like we all need to learn something during this time
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and continue to educate ourselves and our and our children. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
And you know what I think that's the that's the
most amazing thing to me, is of course about the future,
you know, and what what we are learning about, not
just you know, the frustration of the past, because even
as I think about racial unrest, I'm like, listen, I
remember when Rodney King, you know, was beaten and attacked
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and the riots that happened then in l A and
all the other incidents since that have been publicly known.
Obviously there's so many that are not publicly owned. Um,
but also not losing the sense of optimism, you know,
because we do want a better world for our children,
and we see a better future even for ourselves, like
I don't even just push it on our kids, like
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I I want to see a better future from me.
I know, it's like I want, I need this change
that happens then later, because it's been long enough. It's
been long enough, okay, Because like I was saying, like
even for yourself, Like you know, you've you've been in
this business, in this entertainment and media business a long time,
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and we know what that is like, and what racism
looks like in that industry. What gives you hope you know,
for the future, even for yourself, like short term, you know,
I mean definitely when I see just our children are
young people using their voices. When I see us banning
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together and looking at the protests and looking at everyone
focused on this change, and just how powerful we are
when we come together, that gives me hope. That makes
me confident for the future, and us finally recognizing and
realizing our power. We don't have to stay quiet. We're
not going to be forced to stay quiet. We're not
going to stay quiet anymore. And watching what happens when
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we actually do speak up and say you know what, no,
I'm not gonna take this anymore. This is wrong and
just seeing the power in numbers is an amazing, beautiful thing.
So that gives me hope for our future. And seeing
you know, the younger generation just doing their part to say,
you know, we're not we're not going to stand for
this anymore. We want to grow up in a different world.
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That's what definitely gives me hope. Yeah, yeah, And I
mean because you're a storyteller, you know, someone who has
used our own voice, like we were saying, since you
were a kid, really right, um, and have evolved your
voice through the years and obviously producing even what is
there your thought about storytelling for the future, you know,
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even even as you continue to explore your own storytelling
of course, So to me, you know, I want storytelling
to be about what we want our people to con zoom.
Let's tell our stories. Let's talk about what we go
through that only we're gonna be able to understand. Let's
talk about the things that matter to us, which is
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why I love you know, even a show like The
Shy dealing with growing up in Chicago and everything that's
happened on The Shy. Now we shot The Shy before
all of this stuff kind of just hit the way
it did. And it's like Lena wrote the Shy yesterday,
just looking at everything's going on, because this has been
going on, it didn't just start. So shows that reflect
what's happening out there and people can watch and go
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that's me. I went through that. I can understand that.
Shows for Black women that show us being powerful, being bosses,
you know, being independent, you know, being great moms, workers, wives, lovers,
whatever it is, shows that you know uplift us and
show us in a different light. That's what I want
to be a part of that type of story storytelling,
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like stories that matter to us. And I want to
be able to look at shows, whether it's The Shy,
Power Insecure, I mean so many and say, you know
that's me, that looks like me, that that's a representation
of who I am. There's there's nothing, there's no greater
feeling than that. Yeah, I'm so really am. I'm so
proud of you, I really am. With all of the
aation and your characters. Um, you have played some very
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iconic characters. Thank you, thank you and all the memes
that have been created, O Kesha and everybody else you
know what I'm saying, Like they're going in that's that.
That's what is that? What is funny? Listen? That got
us all, Okay, yes, I know. I think I might
have texted you that day as well. I was like,
I think I did. I think I think you could
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give me a heads up like that. I think you did.
You did, I think you did. I think you did.
I think you did. I think you did. But like
fifty always told me, if you gotta go out, you
want to go out memorable. You want to go out
where people are talking about it, which I did because
the show ended, it could have just been like, oh, well,
you know what happened to Lukisha, But now it was
a moment and I used that momentum to take me into,
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you know, my next thing with the Shy And to
go from working with Courtney Kemp, who was a mentor
and one of my closest friends, are just an amazing
human being and writer, and then to leave that and
go rock with Lena and the crew over there. I mean,
I'm blessed, and man, I'm just so so grateful for
attitude of gratitude. Thattitude gratitude. Yeah, because listen, you keep
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evolving and that I feel like it's a great message
in this moment, you know, of especially all of this
chaos and feeling and quite lost in sort of a
drift because we don't know when things are gonna end.
We don't know what to do. Some people are waiting
for things to get back to normal, you know, before
moving on or getting back to what they always did.
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But perhaps it's like using the time to reinvent. Yeah
it is. I mean, that's that's a great thing. Reinvent
yourself in business, reinvent yourself in your your personal life.
Just reinvent how you feel about yourself. Constantly, do mental
health checks on yourself. And like I say, it's okay
to not have it all together all the time. Everybody
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is struggling during this time. It's hard for all of us.
And if you feel yourself getting to that point or unraveling,
not being afraid to call a friend or call someone
for some help, because this is a lot for everybody.
You're not meant to have it all together every single day,
twenty four hours a day. You're gonna have your ups
and downs and you have to be okay with that.
It don't be so hard on yourself. Yeah, no, that's true.
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How are you keeping your your mental health, Like what
are you doing for I think selfcare is such a
buzzword and that's not really what I'm asking, but it's
it's like, how are you keeping yourself feeling good and motivated?
And you know, I have I have people that I
go to when I'm feeling down. I talked to. Sometimes
it's me saying a prayer. Sometimes it's reading a book,
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sometimes it's meditation, whatever it is, Like, you have to
find what that thing is. Talking to a therapist, which
is something that you know has been super helpful and
you know for a long time, especially with us, it's
like therapy, Like what is therapy? Like I remember my
mom saying, you know, people would say, you know, only
crazy people go to therapy. I'm like, well, the crazy
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people seem to have got it figured out because we
should have been going to therapy and it's so helpful
and you can't be ashamed of it. So whatever you
have to do. But you know, it's just about constantly
checking in with yourself and understanding that you're not supposed
to have it all together all the time. They're gonna
be good days, it's gonna be the bad days. That's
part of living that's part of the process, but just
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recognizing on those bad days, what's causing it to be
a bad day, and how do you get yourself, you know,
out of that. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Well if there's
one thing that I learned from you, girl, that regardless
of the situation, be it personal, professional, whatever, you find
a way to rise up out of it. And I
thank you, like I said, exceedingly proud of you and
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very very grateful for your time. Thank you, Thank you
had a great shot. I can't wait till this is
over so I can actually hug you. Because it's social.
I don't like this. I want to give you a hug.
I want to hug like hell, I just want to
see how you guys are doing. But I love you
and I'm so proud of everything you're doing going in
You know, we talk all the time, so we'll talk soon, exactly.
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I'll call you later, all right. I could keep talking
to La La forever. But that's it for this week's
episode of Back to Biz with Katie and Bows. I
hope you all enjoyed it. I had a ton of fun.
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