February 12, 2024 • 28 mins
On today's episode, we're at Golden Grove estate in Wales. Yes, that's Wales, so naturally there's going to be a lot of discussion about drinking. Joining us is Terry Norman, secretary of the Local History Society. Terry is going to be telling us about three Earls, one pirate and a lot of Jaguar E types. How does this all link to the Golden Grove Estate you ask? Listen to find out...
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On today's episode, we're at Golden Grove estate in Wales. Yes,
that's Wales, so naturally there's going to be a lot
of discussion about drinking. The Welsh in general are quite
known for their boozing.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yeah it's it's a reputation they've got. But I've lived
in foreign countries like England, you know, and they're pretty good.
It is Newcastle on Tyne, and.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yes, that man describing the English very accurately is Terry Norman,
secretary of the Local History Society.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Some years ago I wrote a couple of websites about
the area, and one of which included the town of Sandalow.
Now I was in the county of Carmarthenshire in West Wales.
Pretty little town, lovely little towne with a couple of
ancestral hormes, of which is called Golden Grove or in
Welsh Gesire that's six els. And yes, I started taking
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an interest in Golden It's it's passed through several hands.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, several rich and increasingly scandalous hands. And it's those
hands we'll be discussing on this episode. Terry is going
to be telling us about three earls, one pirate and
a lot of Jaguar e types. But first let's have
a talk about the history of the building. When was
it made, why was it made.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
First one was fifteen sixty built by a local landed family,
rich family. They got their first type. Their title the
sixteen to twenty one The Girls of Carbury so are
teudor times were just after Henry the two Times. Yeah,
but yes, that's when it was built. Yes, yeah, and
it lasted two hundred years. Seventeen fifty four a fire
destroyed it. So they built the second one much more
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splendid in the style what they called neoclassical, those the
ones with the Greek columns outside you know.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Oh yeah, I went, the big pillows and stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah. Yeah. And then the third life of this was
another person inherited the wealth of these quarters they owned
of Carmarvinshire, and he built a brand new one which
is still there. Just fabulous.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah. I was gonna say, is that the one that's
styled like sort of a fake Scottish style.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yes, it's it's called Scottish Baronial, which is its fake
Gothic style. It's how they've Scott's imagine in Scotland was
like in the middle ages.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Why did they decide to make it like that?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
They had the money, He did a lot of money
from one of the Vaughans. The last of the v
was the boy called John Vaughan, and when he was
young human his mate earl of them, one of the Corders,
John Campbell, of the Corder family. They used to go
on the Grand Tour. If you were a young rich man,
your parents are standing with the Grand Tour, which is
supposed to be for your education?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Is this like a posh gap?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yet more than that? More than much more than that?
Is how two years probably they studied Holland worked their
way through France, dannyto Italy, and it was supposed to
be looking at paintings, architecture or the culture of on.
Everywhere you go there's all stopping points where there's the
odd brothel and casino, which is where they usually spent time. Yes,
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a few people did take it seriously, but it was
common apparently that it's quite dangerous traveling then because of
what highwaymen. There was disease around, so they quite often
would leave them right a will, even their things to
their mate in case one of them died. When they
were abroad, they did come back. But when this John
Vaughan died then eventually eighteen o four, he'd run out
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of airs. He had left a will, leaving it to
first of all, his eldest son if he had one,
or eldest son of his body, meaning legitimate. If he
didn't have any sons, then he went to his eldest daughter.
If he had no daughters, he went to his wife,
if she was alive she died before him, and if
he did, if you're a run out of that list,
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it went to his mate, John Campbell, of the Cord family.
John Campbell got it. So this fellow John Campbell inherited. Well,
you're talking about fifty thousand acres prime agricultural lands, purityful
place and huge, isn't it. It's massive owned. They owned
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fifty thousand acres of Carmarvin Show. They had about five
grand mansions, They had about twenty seven manor houses, several castles.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
You could play like a real life game of Monopoly
with that amount of stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yes, the family, the Campbell's who lived in here, they
was from Scotland, from Quarter, but they married into a
local family. They were very good at Marian. They've married
quite a few awaresses, but nineteen fifties they leased it
to the local councils and agriculture of College Traveled is
the house that has been sold off and passed through
several hands. The second Earl of Carbury. They're talking at
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the time of sixteen nine reds Now.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
This is Richard Vaughan.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
He went in for sadism.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Saddism, Yeah, that is that, like says, but just a
bit more depressed.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
He was an aristocrat and during the Civil War, you know,
the Cromwell and all that he was, he was given
the command of the forces in West Wales, but he
never ever commanded an army.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, this is one of those times where just if
you've got a title, something given responsibility just because you've
got a title, rather than any.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Sort of skill exactly. And he lost the whole three
West Wales counties which were in the hands of the Royalists.
He lost it. It was so bad that when he
got back to Oxford to see the King, the King
took him a wave. Give it to somebody else, professionals.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
So yeah, King Charles the second, isn't it, he's.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
The first, that was the first. No one got be headed,
but he found him four and a half thousand pounds
about half a million for losing the all of the commands.
So he came back to go and he set it
out for the rest of the civil war. You know,
luckily for him didn't do anything. The Restora shank and
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he got put in charge of Wales. He was President
of the Counts for Wales, and he didn't run it himself.
He had a load of civil servants doing it, and
he got in trouble with him. They sent several letters
to the King complaining that the King has given him
so much money. One of the things he had to
do was rebuild all the castles, and how's there that
being damaged during the civil war. So he was given
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him equivalent of hundreds of thousands, and they were complaining,
they're giving this sky money and nothing's happening. The headquarters
is in Ludlow Castle at the time he was given
four thousand to run it, probably a quarter of a million,
and spend about four hundred.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
So what was he spending it on them?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
He did some strange things. He took all that everything
was in the Ludlow Castle that belonged to the king,
all all the plate, the gold and the silver, plate
all the furniture and their bed in and transferred them
on the Golden Grove, right, Okay, So the civil servers
are complaining about this, so.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
He transfers all the money down to the Golden Grove,
all the properties that were so so he spends all
the money on over there himself for himself.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, they were complaining the vicar that he had the chaplain,
he wasn't feeding him, wasn't paying him. He was he
was in the servers. And the clincher came when he
got down in one of his estates in Whales, he
started cutting people's ears off. One of his tenants, he
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cut his nose off. He and he he threed them
all off the land because they made him, made them homeless.
You know, he's attendant farmers, most of them.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
So there's all these earless, noseless, homeless people walking around the.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Countryside, walking around in the West Whales.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Mister potato head is missing.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
The king took took his presidency of Whales away from
him seventy two and basically an heard of.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, I mean I think there's going to be at
some point a king you've got to step in and go. Look,
you keep on chopping people's features off. I don't think
I can let you run the country anymore. Mate.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
They were sending letters and complaints to the King, left,
right and center, so eventually he had to act.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
He should have cut the fingers off.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
That it was a very strange person.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
You know, gee, do you have any of the letters
with you?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Well, this is a chap was the wardrobe keeper to
the Council of the marches. They just look after the properties,
I think. And he wrote a letter and he says complaints.
I thought these large sums for repairs and furniture had
been received. The earl had put in old household stuff, neglected,
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the repairs kept only half of the soldiers paid for it.
Just further alleged that he was allowed three thousand a
year for the household expenses but only spent four hundred.
The servants would only allowed one meal a day, well
other allegations. In a second petition, the earl withheld the
diet and salary of his chaplain and had converted to
his own use the plate and other goods provided by
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the King for Ludlow. Both petitions refer to certain members
of the council. His wife was just as bad as
is that his wife commanded everybody to search Ludlow Castle
for the king's property and to bring them away to
a golden grove, the entire property, you know. And as
this petition says, our servants slandered and abused, and some
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of them by the leady commanded out of the house.
It is well, she cannot carry the castle with her,
So it's a bit of sa film.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
The castle was very a little bit of spicery there,
a little bit finger clicking and a bit of a
finger wag. I sympathize with these servants because I'm currently
trying to get my oven fixed, and I've been trying
to get my landlord to do that and that's taken months.
If I don't get another a new oven soon, I
think I'm going to go down my estate agents and
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start cutting people's faces off.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Clearly, the only thing that works around here the landlord,
I go, not the state, probably the messenger. No, well
that that was the second. But the third one was
we don't have so much about him. This is John John.
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Yeah he was.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, he's the wrong guy with the pirates.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
He is the mate of the pirate.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, mate is the pirate.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I can't and he he was described by the famous
Diary of Samuel Peeps as the low death fellow of
the age, would mean the box okay, rather if Samuel
people said that he should know because people famously kept
a diary for ten years every day from sixteen sixty
to sixty nine. And not only did he is it
is the best record of things like the Great Plague,
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the Fire of London, the going is on the court.
He also kept personal matters, including his sexual exploits with
an extra maraital affairs. I'll read you one in a
minute now.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
If you wouldn't mind, Harry, can you read it? You're
trying to try and do it in a sexy voice,
so he can well.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I he didn't intend this for publication, which is why
he wrote in the sort of code. He wrote some
of it in Latin, somebody in bits in French. It's
all been translated and I didn't get published in the
nineteenth century. Right, this is when now.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Okay, we're going to play some sexy music over this terry,
so please, right, please try and get in the mood.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
His wife had a companion. Women used to have a
lot of the men were busy a way doing all
their things. Peeps was surprised by his wife as he
embraced Deborah Willett. He writes that his wife court coming up,
suddenly did find me embracing the girl with my hand
under her court, and indeed was with my hand in
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her candid. Now, I'm not going to tell you what canie.
I'm not going to I'm not going to tell you
what that is.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
But that took quite a sharp left turn. I'm not
gonna lie. I thought that was gonna be quite saucy
and naughty, and then suddenly out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
That's what he wrote. Sits in there, studied in university,
you know, so it's okay.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Sorry, his whole hand was in there.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Sure you said, that's what people said. Yeah, So if
Peeps call somebody loose the Lewis fellow, then you can
believe it. But he was put in charge of Jamaica
the third of Carburys. Here there's a dark side because
Jamaica was a slave island at this point, and when
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when he became a governor of Jamaica, he was in
charge of our kids selling the land for the slave plantations,
had his own plantations as well, and there was a
character called cappin Henry Morgan the Pirate.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Now this Morgan, Morgan's pirate.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
This is the Morgan curly hair, Morgan's Raman, Morgan's Ramya
after him, but only only only only in the twentieth century.
But he was from Cardiff at a small little fishing
village then. But somehow, yeah, Morgan as well, he got
I guess he got to the Caribbean and he became
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a pirate. But he was actually it was called a
privateer and no private tier was allowed given a life
sense by the king, the monarch of the day, to
attack any vessels, any ports of anybody. England was at
war with which at that time was Spain and the Dutch,
so it.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Was quite a lenient thing to be granted.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
You had to share half of it, so then you know,
that's what it was all about. And he could also
as he attacked many pirate ships, many ships with you take,
capture them, take whatever they had there, throw the crew overboard.
That's how the pirates operated. And some most some some
of the boards are going out back to Europe. They
were sugar rum, second hand DVDs, whatever they were, whatever
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they were catching. But also he was in they were
intercepting both coming the other directions slave boats which are
slaves of the Caribbeans.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
And then would they free the slaves.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
No, he'd either tell them at auction. But Captain Morgan
made so much money out of this that he owned
three slave plantations himself.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
How is modern day How have the modern day sorts
of brigade not cotton onto the fact that the Morgan
m guy that is actually a guy who abused slaves.
More important to show you that that'd be quite outrageous.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah. Well, in fact, at the time he was knighted
for it, because he was knight for all the all
the ships are captured, all right. Attack he attacked Panama,
the town of Panama. He attacked the places in Venezuela.
And if he attack a town or a port, you
besiege it. So people will be hiding all their valuables,
you know if they if he then took the town,
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he'd come in and said, right, where's all your money?
And if they didn't tell him, they'd be tortured. But
the sixth Earl is another one, the mad, the bad,
and the dangerous.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
So this is the Hugh John Vaughan Campbell. He's the
mad bad and danger today.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
One he's really really along with probably well the other
one the cowboys are pretty mad bad than dangers too.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
But this guy really takes it all right, So go on,
what's this guy got up to? What did he do?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
The Campbell has owned a lot in a lot of whales.
At one point, the Cordiffs owned one hundred thousand acres,
fifty thousand in Wales, fifty thousand in Scotland. They were
when of only twenty eight people who owned a hundred
thousand acres in Britain, so they were loaded. But this
one was was the classic Rick John Vourne. He was
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is Luckily his daughter left a very good memoir of him,
John O Good.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
So we've got lots of gossip because this guy. Also,
this is this guy's quite recent.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Right, Yeah, he died in nine in the nineties.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I've got hit ninety three, that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Right, so we are very very modern. I mean, so
we've got lots of accounts. So all right, talk us
through his life and what he used to get up to.
Where is he such a bad person?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Well, he had he had a lot of money. He
was quite a bill sieved to his family, but he
spent the entire fortune in seventeen years when he inherited it.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
This sounds like a gambling problem to me.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Well, is he had a thing for fast cars? Right?
No in in His daughter says, let me see what
she says about him. He bought your six E type Jaguars. Right, No,
e type jaguars.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Are too many jaguars. You don't need more than.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
He roped off them all. You wrote them off and
bought another one. You type jugs were the car because
they were in the bottom films. Yes, of course, Rich.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I'm going to assume this is all drink driving as well.
Strike doesn't strike me as a man who was doing
this soberly an hour down the road.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
He had not he wrote. He liked to write his
own laws. And he decided that after midnight you didn't
have to stop at red lights because there's nobody around.
Right for midnight, you would go fast as he could.
And all his cussures were like when he was bombing
along b roads, and.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
They were they all into bushes and trees rather than
other people.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yes, I don't think he hit anybody, you know, but
he made a strange decision let's have a look what
his daughter said. He made you know, he noticed a
pattern in this type. Now they were all the types,
and there was another pattern that he missed, that they
were all driven by him. He didn't get that.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, he had workman blames his tools. I think decided the.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Way to solve this problem of crashing types get is
to buy only ferraris. So that's sure, yeah, absolute, Yeah,
sort of a logic to it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Oh he getting too drunken whiskey and being abusive. I know,
I'll drink vodka. That'll change it.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
This is what his daughter says in her memoirs Very
good if you can get it, called title Deeds the
names Eliza Campbell. He wrote of sixty type Juggie was
in quick successions past philosophy. That was, when in town,
obeying a red light after midnight was a sinful waste
of precious time. Typically he would crush at night after dinner,
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wide drunk. Instead of spotting any correlation between drinking and
the crushes, my father came to an order altogether different conclusion.
He types of rubbish and the suspension dangerous, and thereafter
he drove for als. So that's what his daughter.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Says, sounds like a very reasonable man.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Well, another thing that he did, he had this deranged
idea of forming a sort of paramilitary group in Golden Grove. Yeah,
a series of hangers on. You'd like to have an
entourage around him like the old others.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
He wanted for his own self defense.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, yeah, that's sort of retinue. One such permanent guest
moved in for three years as a living martial arts
instructor to teach him the Japanese out of aikedo. Now
the ikeedo akedo? Is that what he used furnture the
ikeedo to the state statee style himself timber, but far
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from being away his Japanese master. He was actually a
middle aged well from Cardif called Ron Thatcher.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
This sounds a bit like he could be heading towards
like a Welsh batman.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah. Well, he wanted to do what's his daughter say.
He wanted to become an unarmed killing machine. That's where
he got this martial arts guy in se right, so
that he could walk the earth fearlessly. He would normally achieve.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
This driving the earth because he keeps crushing.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
He was normally achieved this step by drinking. This is
his daughter. Again. This message tended to tip him from
confidence into aggression. At one point, Hill Campbell formed an
elite squad of quo fighters, four male friends and his
wife and his wife leather belt, leather belts he designed
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himself that would serve as as a group insignia.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
He's givable, Yeah, utility belts. Well, he's literally like Batman.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, well I don't take belts, then you and then.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
After the Batman biles tee totaled total in the ditch.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Well, they would serve as a group insignia during some
future crisis when they would annihilate unacceptable people.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
These would annihilated as well. Yeah, what did he call
this group? Did they have an I think he had
a name. No, Oh, he didn't get that far. He
got the whole belts.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I don't remember his daughter saying that.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Did they ever actually annihilate anyone? Did they get round
to that?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yes, he's a fantasy. He dress he wrests like a
regency rake. You know lude people you bought they had
that that imagine a early nineteenth century dress, you know,
the type, the type you see in costume dramas.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
You know, I says what he meant like some metal
spikes and some leaves in it that.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
He had four girlfriends, the birds on the board at
one point to get you know why, four girls, all
the ones, none of them knowing about each other, including
one of the including the bond girl. Actually of the day, it.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Was probably trying to recreate a Charlie's Angel murder squad
decided to be doing that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
There's one called Catherine Shell who was a bond girl
in on her Majesty secret service. But one of them
became his fourth wife. She was a checkersvaking countess whose
family escaped from Czechosovakia doing the Nazi occupation, and she
came over to London eventually, and she was looking for
another store. Basically, she briefly dated Prince Charles, this woman,
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and she was talked about the possible wife. She didn't
marry him, so somebody else shounged out what it was
like being married to Prince Charles. But she had a
friend who did Mary another Czech friend, another countess who
did marry the Duke of Kent. They came over to
Britain looking for Aristos to marry, but she got new Campbell.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I mean that's two checks as the facking girls who've
done very well for themselves.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
That's not bad enough to play tennis for it, it's wonderful.
So she got she got here Campbell and at this
point he decided to move back to corder Castle. What
had happened at one point was during the war. The
big house they lived in was Stackpole, where the King
had visited. It was acquisitioned during the war for ganuri practice.
After the war he wanted a renovator to put it
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back in order, but the council turned him down for planning,
so he demolished it. It was used to build the
foundation of an oil refinery, and he build a new
place in sant Island, New Golden Grove across the rivera
a much more more than one with all the ficture
of fitures. And he moved back to Scotland, sold all
the lands in West Wales, liquidated everything. He got to
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Scotland and he went deranged up there. He had a
mother in law living up in corder Castle. His mother married.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Again, so he moved in with his mother in law.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Well, yes, but he evicted her.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
That'll do it.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
He moved his mother and his mother back in there,
but she had to go as well. Christ He brought
all his stuff from gold and Grove with him, including
his cook of you know years they all left. He
was pretty dangerous at the end.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Did he end up just sort of sadden alone?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Well, he died of I think he's only in his sixties.
He had a cocaine habit as well. According to his daughter,
when his funeral came, the family couldn't get anybody to
read a memorial service for him. Nobody would do it. Sure,
that's how bad he'd sent you know, Yeah, well sad.
You know his daughter talks about she'd gets angry as
hell with him, you know, as she said, we've especially
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lost all the money.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Oh have you have you met the daughter, because she's
obviously still around.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
You know, she was living living there for a long
time Dilo. But when they when they moved to Corder Castle,
they sold the house in San Dilo and they didn't
around the mother in law, They didn't stay there. She
didn't want them there at all. They all moved abroad.
And the real bomb shollowers when when when Hill Campbell died,
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they looked at his will.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
And it's quite a shock when it gets read out.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
It's a it's a huge shock. They were expecting to
inherit Corter Castle and Hiss states and whatever menu was there,
but he left it all to his second wife, their stepmother.
He cut out his own son, but his son could
inherit the title, but nothing else. And it came as
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an absolute shock. And Eliza Cumberlin, in her memoir of
calls her stepmother the new the old Lady Corder diabolica.
She calls her the stepmother from Central Casting, and the
logos called her Lady Macbeth Mark too, so she was
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not a not a very nice person Mark.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, that's a triple wammy insults. Yeah, I love stepmother
from Central Casting. That's amaze. Did the door to get anything?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Nobody got anything they offered They were offered by them,
the stepmother the choice of the pens that he had
on his desk as a personal momentum of daddy.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
That's so petty and horrible. I wonder what pen they chose. Oh,
because if it's one of those biros that has all
the different colors at the top, that's quite cold.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Actually I got one of those quite like those. Yeah,
there's enough like quite like them. Yeah, yeah, they're not bad. Actually, yes,
they said, well there's a camera road. Hill had neither
earned nor bought order. It had taken no talent to
receive all his extraordinary privilege. Other than being born the
right sex. These possessions were intersted his care, but Cordo
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was not his. Not only had he shafted his own
son in the will rewrite, but he had shafted the
previous twenty four generations. This stoney treasure had survived six
hundred years of wild Scottish history, yet he took just
one drunken rake to piss it away.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
So Hugh Campbell pissed away his inheritance and pissed off
his family so much that no one wanted to speak
at his funeral. I guess John Lennon was right when
he said money can't buy you love. But then he
also said everyone's got something to hide except me at
my monkey, So I don't know is he reliable source.
Perhaps the real question here is should we be listening
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to John Lennon? Terry? Any thoughts on John Lennon?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I suppose you could say he had a full life,
Say the least.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
He certainly did tesa an incredible career. Did you know
he hated his voice. Isn't that crazy? One of the
greatest singer songwriters of all time didn't like his voice.
I've just realized this has got nothing to do with
the Golden Glover State. Shall we end this episode?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Great, Terry, It's been so lovely having you on the podcast.
Thank you so much for come on.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Okay, all the best thenout out cheers Tarafa.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Now until next time. Remember, if you keep crashing your
E type jags when you're drunk, just by Ferraris, complain
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is Bellasolini,
On today's episode, we're at Golden Grove estate in Wales. Yes,
that's Wales, so naturally there's going to be a lot
of discussion about drinking. The Welsh in general are quite
known for their boozing.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Yeah it's it's a reputation they've got. But I've lived
in foreign countries like England, you know, and they're pretty good.
It is Newcastle on Tyne, and.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yes, that man describing the English very accurately is Terry Norman,
secretary of the Local History Society.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Some years ago I wrote a couple of websites about
the area, and one of which included the town of Sandalow.
Now I was in the county of Carmarthenshire in West Wales.
Pretty little town, lovely little towne with a couple of
ancestral hormes, of which is called Golden Grove or in
Welsh Gesire that's six els. And yes, I started taking
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an interest in Golden It's it's passed through several hands.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, several rich and increasingly scandalous hands. And it's those
hands we'll be discussing on this episode. Terry is going
to be telling us about three earls, one pirate and
a lot of Jaguar e types. But first let's have
a talk about the history of the building. When was
it made, why was it made.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
First one was fifteen sixty built by a local landed family,
rich family. They got their first type. Their title the
sixteen to twenty one The Girls of Carbury so are
teudor times were just after Henry the two Times. Yeah,
but yes, that's when it was built. Yes, yeah, and
it lasted two hundred years. Seventeen fifty four a fire
destroyed it. So they built the second one much more
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splendid in the style what they called neoclassical, those the
ones with the Greek columns outside you know.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Oh yeah, I went, the big pillows and stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yeah. Yeah. And then the third life of this was
another person inherited the wealth of these quarters they owned
of Carmarvinshire, and he built a brand new one which
is still there. Just fabulous.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah. I was gonna say, is that the one that's
styled like sort of a fake Scottish style.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yes, it's it's called Scottish Baronial, which is its fake
Gothic style. It's how they've Scott's imagine in Scotland was
like in the middle ages.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Why did they decide to make it like that?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
They had the money, He did a lot of money
from one of the Vaughans. The last of the v
was the boy called John Vaughan, and when he was
young human his mate earl of them, one of the Corders,
John Campbell, of the Corder family. They used to go
on the Grand Tour. If you were a young rich man,
your parents are standing with the Grand Tour, which is
supposed to be for your education?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Is this like a posh gap?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yet more than that? More than much more than that?
Is how two years probably they studied Holland worked their
way through France, dannyto Italy, and it was supposed to
be looking at paintings, architecture or the culture of on.
Everywhere you go there's all stopping points where there's the
odd brothel and casino, which is where they usually spent time. Yes,
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a few people did take it seriously, but it was
common apparently that it's quite dangerous traveling then because of
what highwaymen. There was disease around, so they quite often
would leave them right a will, even their things to
their mate in case one of them died. When they
were abroad, they did come back. But when this John
Vaughan died then eventually eighteen o four, he'd run out
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of airs. He had left a will, leaving it to
first of all, his eldest son if he had one,
or eldest son of his body, meaning legitimate. If he
didn't have any sons, then he went to his eldest daughter.
If he had no daughters, he went to his wife,
if she was alive she died before him, and if
he did, if you're a run out of that list,
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it went to his mate, John Campbell, of the Cord family.
John Campbell got it. So this fellow John Campbell inherited. Well,
you're talking about fifty thousand acres prime agricultural lands, purityful
place and huge, isn't it. It's massive owned. They owned
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fifty thousand acres of Carmarvin Show. They had about five
grand mansions, They had about twenty seven manor houses, several castles.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
You could play like a real life game of Monopoly
with that amount of stuff.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yes, the family, the Campbell's who lived in here, they
was from Scotland, from Quarter, but they married into a
local family. They were very good at Marian. They've married
quite a few awaresses, but nineteen fifties they leased it
to the local councils and agriculture of College Traveled is
the house that has been sold off and passed through
several hands. The second Earl of Carbury. They're talking at
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the time of sixteen nine reds Now.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
This is Richard Vaughan.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
He went in for sadism.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Saddism, Yeah, that is that, like says, but just a
bit more depressed.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
He was an aristocrat and during the Civil War, you know,
the Cromwell and all that he was, he was given
the command of the forces in West Wales, but he
never ever commanded an army.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, this is one of those times where just if
you've got a title, something given responsibility just because you've
got a title, rather than any.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Sort of skill exactly. And he lost the whole three
West Wales counties which were in the hands of the Royalists.
He lost it. It was so bad that when he
got back to Oxford to see the King, the King
took him a wave. Give it to somebody else, professionals.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
So yeah, King Charles the second, isn't it, he's.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
The first, that was the first. No one got be headed,
but he found him four and a half thousand pounds
about half a million for losing the all of the commands.
So he came back to go and he set it
out for the rest of the civil war. You know,
luckily for him didn't do anything. The Restora shank and
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he got put in charge of Wales. He was President
of the Counts for Wales, and he didn't run it himself.
He had a load of civil servants doing it, and
he got in trouble with him. They sent several letters
to the King complaining that the King has given him
so much money. One of the things he had to
do was rebuild all the castles, and how's there that
being damaged during the civil war. So he was given
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him equivalent of hundreds of thousands, and they were complaining,
they're giving this sky money and nothing's happening. The headquarters
is in Ludlow Castle at the time he was given
four thousand to run it, probably a quarter of a million,
and spend about four hundred.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
So what was he spending it on them?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
He did some strange things. He took all that everything
was in the Ludlow Castle that belonged to the king,
all all the plate, the gold and the silver, plate
all the furniture and their bed in and transferred them
on the Golden Grove, right, Okay, So the civil servers
are complaining about this, so.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
He transfers all the money down to the Golden Grove,
all the properties that were so so he spends all
the money on over there himself for himself.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, they were complaining the vicar that he had the chaplain,
he wasn't feeding him, wasn't paying him. He was he
was in the servers. And the clincher came when he
got down in one of his estates in Whales, he
started cutting people's ears off. One of his tenants, he
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cut his nose off. He and he he threed them
all off the land because they made him, made them homeless.
You know, he's attendant farmers, most of them.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
So there's all these earless, noseless, homeless people walking around the.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Countryside, walking around in the West Whales.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Mister potato head is missing.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
The king took took his presidency of Whales away from
him seventy two and basically an heard of.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, I mean I think there's going to be at
some point a king you've got to step in and go. Look,
you keep on chopping people's features off. I don't think
I can let you run the country anymore. Mate.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
They were sending letters and complaints to the King, left,
right and center, so eventually he had to act.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
He should have cut the fingers off.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
That it was a very strange person.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
You know, gee, do you have any of the letters
with you?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Well, this is a chap was the wardrobe keeper to
the Council of the marches. They just look after the properties,
I think. And he wrote a letter and he says complaints.
I thought these large sums for repairs and furniture had
been received. The earl had put in old household stuff, neglected,
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the repairs kept only half of the soldiers paid for it.
Just further alleged that he was allowed three thousand a
year for the household expenses but only spent four hundred.
The servants would only allowed one meal a day, well
other allegations. In a second petition, the earl withheld the
diet and salary of his chaplain and had converted to
his own use the plate and other goods provided by
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the King for Ludlow. Both petitions refer to certain members
of the council. His wife was just as bad as
is that his wife commanded everybody to search Ludlow Castle
for the king's property and to bring them away to
a golden grove, the entire property, you know. And as
this petition says, our servants slandered and abused, and some
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of them by the leady commanded out of the house.
It is well, she cannot carry the castle with her,
So it's a bit of sa film.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
The castle was very a little bit of spicery there,
a little bit finger clicking and a bit of a
finger wag. I sympathize with these servants because I'm currently
trying to get my oven fixed, and I've been trying
to get my landlord to do that and that's taken months.
If I don't get another a new oven soon, I
think I'm going to go down my estate agents and
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start cutting people's faces off.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Clearly, the only thing that works around here the landlord,
I go, not the state, probably the messenger. No, well
that that was the second. But the third one was
we don't have so much about him. This is John John.
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Yeah he was.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, he's the wrong guy with the pirates.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
He is the mate of the pirate.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, mate is the pirate.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
I can't and he he was described by the famous
Diary of Samuel Peeps as the low death fellow of
the age, would mean the box okay, rather if Samuel
people said that he should know because people famously kept
a diary for ten years every day from sixteen sixty
to sixty nine. And not only did he is it
is the best record of things like the Great Plague,
(10:43):
the Fire of London, the going is on the court.
He also kept personal matters, including his sexual exploits with
an extra maraital affairs. I'll read you one in a
minute now.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
If you wouldn't mind, Harry, can you read it? You're
trying to try and do it in a sexy voice,
so he can well.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I he didn't intend this for publication, which is why
he wrote in the sort of code. He wrote some
of it in Latin, somebody in bits in French. It's
all been translated and I didn't get published in the
nineteenth century. Right, this is when now.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Okay, we're going to play some sexy music over this terry,
so please, right, please try and get in the mood.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
His wife had a companion. Women used to have a
lot of the men were busy a way doing all
their things. Peeps was surprised by his wife as he
embraced Deborah Willett. He writes that his wife court coming up,
suddenly did find me embracing the girl with my hand
under her court, and indeed was with my hand in
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her candid. Now, I'm not going to tell you what canie.
I'm not going to I'm not going to tell you
what that is.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
But that took quite a sharp left turn. I'm not
gonna lie. I thought that was gonna be quite saucy
and naughty, and then suddenly out of nowhere.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
That's what he wrote. Sits in there, studied in university,
you know, so it's okay.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Sorry, his whole hand was in there.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Sure you said, that's what people said. Yeah, So if
Peeps call somebody loose the Lewis fellow, then you can
believe it. But he was put in charge of Jamaica
the third of Carburys. Here there's a dark side because
Jamaica was a slave island at this point, and when
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when he became a governor of Jamaica, he was in
charge of our kids selling the land for the slave plantations,
had his own plantations as well, and there was a
character called cappin Henry Morgan the Pirate.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Now this Morgan, Morgan's pirate.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
This is the Morgan curly hair, Morgan's Raman, Morgan's Ramya
after him, but only only only only in the twentieth century.
But he was from Cardiff at a small little fishing
village then. But somehow, yeah, Morgan as well, he got
I guess he got to the Caribbean and he became
(13:17):
a pirate. But he was actually it was called a
privateer and no private tier was allowed given a life
sense by the king, the monarch of the day, to
attack any vessels, any ports of anybody. England was at
war with which at that time was Spain and the Dutch,
so it.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Was quite a lenient thing to be granted.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
You had to share half of it, so then you know,
that's what it was all about. And he could also
as he attacked many pirate ships, many ships with you take,
capture them, take whatever they had there, throw the crew overboard.
That's how the pirates operated. And some most some some
of the boards are going out back to Europe. They
were sugar rum, second hand DVDs, whatever they were, whatever
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they were catching. But also he was in they were
intercepting both coming the other directions slave boats which are
slaves of the Caribbeans.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
And then would they free the slaves.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
No, he'd either tell them at auction. But Captain Morgan
made so much money out of this that he owned
three slave plantations himself.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
How is modern day How have the modern day sorts
of brigade not cotton onto the fact that the Morgan
m guy that is actually a guy who abused slaves.
More important to show you that that'd be quite outrageous.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Yeah. Well, in fact, at the time he was knighted
for it, because he was knight for all the all
the ships are captured, all right. Attack he attacked Panama,
the town of Panama. He attacked the places in Venezuela.
And if he attack a town or a port, you
besiege it. So people will be hiding all their valuables,
you know if they if he then took the town,
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he'd come in and said, right, where's all your money?
And if they didn't tell him, they'd be tortured. But
the sixth Earl is another one, the mad, the bad,
and the dangerous.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
So this is the Hugh John Vaughan Campbell. He's the
mad bad and danger today.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
One he's really really along with probably well the other
one the cowboys are pretty mad bad than dangers too.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
But this guy really takes it all right, So go on,
what's this guy got up to? What did he do?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
The Campbell has owned a lot in a lot of whales.
At one point, the Cordiffs owned one hundred thousand acres,
fifty thousand in Wales, fifty thousand in Scotland. They were
when of only twenty eight people who owned a hundred
thousand acres in Britain, so they were loaded. But this
one was was the classic Rick John Vourne. He was
(15:56):
is Luckily his daughter left a very good memoir of him,
John O Good.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
So we've got lots of gossip because this guy. Also,
this is this guy's quite recent.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Right, Yeah, he died in nine in the nineties.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
I've got hit ninety three, that's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Right, so we are very very modern. I mean, so
we've got lots of accounts. So all right, talk us
through his life and what he used to get up to.
Where is he such a bad person?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Well, he had he had a lot of money. He
was quite a bill sieved to his family, but he
spent the entire fortune in seventeen years when he inherited it.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
This sounds like a gambling problem to me.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Well, is he had a thing for fast cars? Right?
No in in His daughter says, let me see what
she says about him. He bought your six E type Jaguars. Right, No,
e type jaguars.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Are too many jaguars. You don't need more than.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
He roped off them all. You wrote them off and
bought another one. You type jugs were the car because
they were in the bottom films. Yes, of course, Rich.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
I'm going to assume this is all drink driving as well.
Strike doesn't strike me as a man who was doing
this soberly an hour down the road.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
He had not he wrote. He liked to write his
own laws. And he decided that after midnight you didn't
have to stop at red lights because there's nobody around.
Right for midnight, you would go fast as he could.
And all his cussures were like when he was bombing
along b roads, and.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
They were they all into bushes and trees rather than
other people.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yes, I don't think he hit anybody, you know, but
he made a strange decision let's have a look what
his daughter said. He made you know, he noticed a
pattern in this type. Now they were all the types,
and there was another pattern that he missed, that they
were all driven by him. He didn't get that.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, he had workman blames his tools. I think decided the.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Way to solve this problem of crashing types get is
to buy only ferraris. So that's sure, yeah, absolute, Yeah,
sort of a logic to it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Oh he getting too drunken whiskey and being abusive. I know,
I'll drink vodka. That'll change it.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
This is what his daughter says in her memoirs Very
good if you can get it, called title Deeds the
names Eliza Campbell. He wrote of sixty type Juggie was
in quick successions past philosophy. That was, when in town,
obeying a red light after midnight was a sinful waste
of precious time. Typically he would crush at night after dinner,
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wide drunk. Instead of spotting any correlation between drinking and
the crushes, my father came to an order altogether different conclusion.
He types of rubbish and the suspension dangerous, and thereafter
he drove for als. So that's what his daughter.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Says, sounds like a very reasonable man.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Well, another thing that he did, he had this deranged
idea of forming a sort of paramilitary group in Golden Grove. Yeah,
a series of hangers on. You'd like to have an
entourage around him like the old others.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
He wanted for his own self defense.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Yeah, yeah, that's sort of retinue. One such permanent guest
moved in for three years as a living martial arts
instructor to teach him the Japanese out of aikedo. Now
the ikeedo akedo? Is that what he used furnture the
ikeedo to the state statee style himself timber, but far
(19:21):
from being away his Japanese master. He was actually a
middle aged well from Cardif called Ron Thatcher.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
This sounds a bit like he could be heading towards
like a Welsh batman.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Yeah. Well, he wanted to do what's his daughter say.
He wanted to become an unarmed killing machine. That's where
he got this martial arts guy in se right, so
that he could walk the earth fearlessly. He would normally achieve.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
This driving the earth because he keeps crushing.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
He was normally achieved this step by drinking. This is
his daughter. Again. This message tended to tip him from
confidence into aggression. At one point, Hill Campbell formed an
elite squad of quo fighters, four male friends and his
wife and his wife leather belt, leather belts he designed
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himself that would serve as as a group insignia.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
He's givable, Yeah, utility belts. Well, he's literally like Batman.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, well I don't take belts, then you and then.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
After the Batman biles tee totaled total in the ditch.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Well, they would serve as a group insignia during some
future crisis when they would annihilate unacceptable people.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
These would annihilated as well. Yeah, what did he call
this group? Did they have an I think he had
a name. No, Oh, he didn't get that far. He
got the whole belts.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I don't remember his daughter saying that.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Did they ever actually annihilate anyone? Did they get round
to that?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yes, he's a fantasy. He dress he wrests like a
regency rake. You know lude people you bought they had
that that imagine a early nineteenth century dress, you know,
the type, the type you see in costume dramas.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
You know, I says what he meant like some metal
spikes and some leaves in it that.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
He had four girlfriends, the birds on the board at
one point to get you know why, four girls, all
the ones, none of them knowing about each other, including
one of the including the bond girl. Actually of the day, it.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Was probably trying to recreate a Charlie's Angel murder squad
decided to be doing that sort of thing.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
There's one called Catherine Shell who was a bond girl
in on her Majesty secret service. But one of them
became his fourth wife. She was a checkersvaking countess whose
family escaped from Czechosovakia doing the Nazi occupation, and she
came over to London eventually, and she was looking for
another store. Basically, she briefly dated Prince Charles, this woman,
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and she was talked about the possible wife. She didn't
marry him, so somebody else shounged out what it was
like being married to Prince Charles. But she had a
friend who did Mary another Czech friend, another countess who
did marry the Duke of Kent. They came over to
Britain looking for Aristos to marry, but she got new Campbell.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I mean that's two checks as the facking girls who've
done very well for themselves.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
That's not bad enough to play tennis for it, it's wonderful.
So she got she got here Campbell and at this
point he decided to move back to corder Castle. What
had happened at one point was during the war. The
big house they lived in was Stackpole, where the King
had visited. It was acquisitioned during the war for ganuri practice.
After the war he wanted a renovator to put it
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back in order, but the council turned him down for planning,
so he demolished it. It was used to build the
foundation of an oil refinery, and he build a new
place in sant Island, New Golden Grove across the rivera
a much more more than one with all the ficture
of fitures. And he moved back to Scotland, sold all
the lands in West Wales, liquidated everything. He got to
(23:07):
Scotland and he went deranged up there. He had a
mother in law living up in corder Castle. His mother married.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Again, so he moved in with his mother in law.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Well, yes, but he evicted her.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
That'll do it.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
He moved his mother and his mother back in there,
but she had to go as well. Christ He brought
all his stuff from gold and Grove with him, including
his cook of you know years they all left. He
was pretty dangerous at the end.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Did he end up just sort of sadden alone?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Well, he died of I think he's only in his sixties.
He had a cocaine habit as well. According to his daughter,
when his funeral came, the family couldn't get anybody to
read a memorial service for him. Nobody would do it. Sure,
that's how bad he'd sent you know, Yeah, well sad.
You know his daughter talks about she'd gets angry as
hell with him, you know, as she said, we've especially
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lost all the money.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Oh have you have you met the daughter, because she's
obviously still around.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
You know, she was living living there for a long
time Dilo. But when they when they moved to Corder Castle,
they sold the house in San Dilo and they didn't
around the mother in law, They didn't stay there. She
didn't want them there at all. They all moved abroad.
And the real bomb shollowers when when when Hill Campbell died,
(24:26):
they looked at his will.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
And it's quite a shock when it gets read out.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
It's a it's a huge shock. They were expecting to
inherit Corter Castle and Hiss states and whatever menu was there,
but he left it all to his second wife, their stepmother.
He cut out his own son, but his son could
inherit the title, but nothing else. And it came as
(24:51):
an absolute shock. And Eliza Cumberlin, in her memoir of
calls her stepmother the new the old Lady Corder diabolica.
She calls her the stepmother from Central Casting, and the
logos called her Lady Macbeth Mark too, so she was
(25:12):
not a not a very nice person Mark.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Yeah, that's a triple wammy insults. Yeah, I love stepmother
from Central Casting. That's amaze. Did the door to get anything?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Nobody got anything they offered They were offered by them,
the stepmother the choice of the pens that he had
on his desk as a personal momentum of daddy.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
That's so petty and horrible. I wonder what pen they chose. Oh,
because if it's one of those biros that has all
the different colors at the top, that's quite cold.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Actually I got one of those quite like those. Yeah,
there's enough like quite like them. Yeah, yeah, they're not bad. Actually, yes,
they said, well there's a camera road. Hill had neither
earned nor bought order. It had taken no talent to
receive all his extraordinary privilege. Other than being born the
right sex. These possessions were intersted his care, but Cordo
(26:10):
was not his. Not only had he shafted his own
son in the will rewrite, but he had shafted the
previous twenty four generations. This stoney treasure had survived six
hundred years of wild Scottish history, yet he took just
one drunken rake to piss it away.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
So Hugh Campbell pissed away his inheritance and pissed off
his family so much that no one wanted to speak
at his funeral. I guess John Lennon was right when
he said money can't buy you love. But then he
also said everyone's got something to hide except me at
my monkey, So I don't know is he reliable source.
Perhaps the real question here is should we be listening
(26:50):
to John Lennon? Terry? Any thoughts on John Lennon?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I suppose you could say he had a full life,
Say the least.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
He certainly did tesa an incredible career. Did you know
he hated his voice. Isn't that crazy? One of the
greatest singer songwriters of all time didn't like his voice.
I've just realized this has got nothing to do with
the Golden Glover State. Shall we end this episode?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Great, Terry, It's been so lovely having you on the podcast.
Thank you so much for come on.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Okay, all the best thenout out cheers Tarafa.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Now until next time. Remember, if you keep crashing your
E type jags when you're drunk, just by Ferraris, complain
to the King and mind your manners. Thanks for listening
to Bad Manners. If you like the pod, please share
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Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts, leave
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any of your favorite Bad Manners that we could feature
in future episodes. This podcast was produced by Atamei Studios
for iHeartRadio. It was hosted by me Tom Horton. It
was produced by Willem Lensky, Rebecca Rappaport, and Chris Ataway.
It was executive produced by Face Stut and Zad Rogers.
Our production manager is Caitlin Paramore and our production coordinator
(28:05):
is Bellasolini,
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