April 1, 2024 • 25 mins
We're back at Ripley Castle, home to the Ingilby family for the last seven hundred years. Last time we heard about a whole host of Ingilby's. There was William, Jarl and Henry, Sir, William Francis and his brother David, Sir Thomas... the list goes on. And speaking of Sir Thomas, we are in the very privileged position of actually being able to talk to a live, living Ingilby! Sir Thomas Ingilby, the sixth Baronet, joining us on the podcast today.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're back at Ripley Castle, home to the Ingleby family
for the last seven hundred years, more than long enough
to establish squash's rights. Not that I'm speaking from experience
or anything. Last time we heard about a whole host.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Of Ingleby's William Jarl and Henry So, William addacut, single Francis,
his brother David.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
And speaking of Sir Thomas, we are in the very
privileged position of actually being able to talk to a live,
living Ingleby. I have Sir Thomas Ingleby, the sixth Baronet,
right here in front of me. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
It's a pleasure while I'm alive for.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Well, if you can make it to the next hour
or two interview which to come to us Agen, that
would be a hell of a podcast. Thank you for
coming to allowing us into this castle. You im' right.
You've actually just moved out of the castle to a
private properties elsewhere in Ripley. Yes, we've moved all of
(01:01):
a hundred yards, a big move. We went big move,
but it still requires a lot of planning and houlding
of stuff upstairs and downstairs, and it was utterly tiring
and I don't ever want to do it again, were
there certain parts or ornaments or pieces in this castle
that you were determined to take with you or did
(01:22):
you leave most of the good stuff here?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
We've left all of the good stuff here.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, yes, even just a really fancy doorstop.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
No mean no, it wouldn't be fair to strip the
castle there.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Because you've left it to your son and his wife
and two daughters. Yes, and how are they finding it?
Because I imagine running a cast is actually trickier than
it seems. I say that it sounds it seems quite tricky.
So how has it been living here over the years.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I think it's been interesting. I mean it's been a challenge.
And the main thing is that nothing goes as planned.
You accept that you have your plans for the when
you set off. By the end of the evening, you
haven't achieved anything off your list of things today, but
you've dealt with a whole lot of other things. And
the one thing we have learned is never to lift
(02:10):
a floorboard find stuff under the floor. Stuff under the floor,
which frequently take four months to sort out and cost
you tens of thousands of pounds.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's expensive floorboards.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
If you live expensive floorboards.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Have you ever found anything sort of like a human
skull or anything like that under the floorboards.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
No, we haven't, thankfully. Sure. Yes, we were worried about
when we discovered the priests secret hiding.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Place there might be a priest still in there.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
We were concerned the priest was probably still in there,
but thankfully he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I mean, as far as living in the castle. You
you were saying just before we started recording that you're
enjoying the privacy of your own place now because having
had small amount of experience with my six years in
the Tower of London, living amongst tourists every day, there
isn't such a thing as privacy. It's you are constantly
(03:06):
bumping into them in different places. They're constantly walking into
rooms they're not meant to. It must have been a
nightmare over the years.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
It is because there's no form of escape from this
castle without crossing a public route. And the other things
involves is climbing a lot of steps. Yeah, that's the
other thing. We won't miss, even the humble things in life,
like coming back from the local supermarket laden with shopping
because we've got five children and you get halfway across
(03:35):
the corridor and the party would emerge through the door
at the other end, and the guide would say, oh,
good morning, sir Thomas, and immediately thirty pairs of eyes
turn round and there's this draggled figure carrying about five
shopping bags. So it takes the majesty of the Yes,
(03:56):
you can tell it wasn't quite the figure they were
expecting to see.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
At what point in growing up here did you start
to realize, oh, I live in a special place.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, I suppose not really until my teens. I suppose
there are scales of houses living up leading up to
a castle, and you went to sort of big houses,
modest houses, but you didn't realize how very special this
was until you began to learn about the history. Teachers
(04:28):
would tell you something, teach you about something, and you think, gosh,
our family was involved in that.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, you sat in history class and suddenly going hang
on a second, I think that happened in my garden.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
More important books, there were milestones in literature, and you think, oh,
I'm sure I've seen that on the library self.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
A huge part of the history, so Thomas mentioned is
the English Civil War, in particular the Battle of Marsden Moore,
and it's the backdrop for one of the most incredible
stories Ripley has to offer. It's the middle of the
sixteen hundreds and Oliver Cromwell's Roundheads are fighting King Charles
the First's cavaliers. It's all part of a dispute between
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the Crown and Parliament about how England, Scotland and Ireland
should be governed. Trooper Jane was the sister of Sir
William Ingleby and they lived at Ripley Castle in Yorkshire.
Together they supported King Charles the First. In sixteen forty four,
the fighting came close to Ripley at the famous Battle
(05:32):
of marster Moore. Jane dressed in full armor and rode
into battle next to her brother, Sir William Ingleby, in
what would be the largest battle there's ever been fought
on English soil. The Royalists were badly defeated and lost
around four thousand soldiers during a two hour battle. Another
fifteen hundred were taken prisoner by Cromwell and his roundheads.
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After the Battle of marster Moore, Trooper Jane Ingleby and
her brother rushed back to the castle at Ripley, and
not a moment too soon, Oliver Cromwell and his troops
arrived and demanded they look after them for the night.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
The Civil War has often been described as the revolution
that England never had, and probably saved us from having
a revolution like the French had. And it was a
matter of democracy that the king in those days, or
the monarch of those days, firmly believed that he was
selected by God. He was king by God, and he
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could therefore do what he wanted and raised taxes without
having to be answerable. So not everyone agreed with him,
and particularly those who had a narrow vision of God
and they wanted democracy. So it did kulmate in war.
The king wasn't prepared to step down, He wasn't prepared
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to give way in any way at all. So the
Battle of Masters and War was really the turning point
of the war, because the battles have been thought were
won by either side, but not conclusively in terms of
the war. Marster Moore was the first battle that destroyed
the King's army in the north of England forever. They
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never recovered from us, so it's all downhill basically from there.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
It's at this crucial turning point of the English Civil
War that my favorite in Wilbie. Sorry, Sir Thomas enters
the story.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Trooper Jane was the youngest of seven children, most of
the children being boys, and therefore she developed fairly good
defensive mechanisms, very sharp elbows. I suspect you've got.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
To if you've got a bunch of brothers.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yes, our daughter feels the same, being the only one
out of five. And she came to provenance really during
the Civil War and when her brother William raised a
trooper force from Ripley to try and the Siege of York,
they joined Prince Rupert's Army of Cavalry and it culminates
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in the Battle of Masters and More on the second
of July sixteen forty four, and Trooper Jane there were
quite a few women on the battlefield, but she was
one of the few who was there for her own volition.
Quite often because the soldiers were paid to their wives.
If the soldier was killed, then she obviously lost her income,
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so the obvious thing was for her to fight as
well or take some active pass And Trooper Jane was
obviously quite a character because she trained like a soldier,
so she was a professional of her period. And she
was then aged forty three free, so she was no
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spring chicken. The battle went both ways. It was a
game of two halves. That'd been a ferocious thunderstorm that afternoon,
and Cromwell, realizing that the King was expecting more Scottish
troops to reinforce his army, he was about five thousand
short of men compared to the Cromwellian army, launched a
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surprise attack with his cavalry, and Prince Rupert was actually
having dinner about a mile and a half off the
battlefield when this happened, so he had to saddle up
very quickly. But the Royalist cavalry were very good and
they not any counter attack, but they drove the Cromwellian
cavalry off the battlefield. Now the battle would have had
(09:34):
a very different outcome if that the Red Mist hadn't descended.
The Royalist troopers had the Cromwellians on the run and
they weren't going to let them off, and they chased
them not just off the battlefield, but halfway into Lancashire,
whereupon Cromwell's infantry got together and fell on the King's
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infantry were now undefended by horsemen, and made very short
work of them. That trooper. Jane and her brother William
survived thenaged to get back to Ripley. And you can
imagine the total horror when who should turn up at
the front door a couple of hours later, but the
victorious rebel general is who is called Oliver Cromwell himself.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, was that a frosty reception? There was a very
frosty reception.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Indeed, So William knew what would happen to him if
he got caught, so he disappeared up into the priests
secret hiding place. Francis it will be a few years earlier.
I literally disappeared, leaving Cromwell to be sourced out by
his sister Jane.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
So at this point Jane is left to face Cromwell
while her brother William escapes upstairs into a priest hole.
And if whoever came looking for him was anything like me,
he would have been pretty safe. I don't know if
you remember are Harvington Hall episode, but a priest hunter
I am not. There is something in this room. There's
a secret hiding place. Have I got to guess where?
(11:08):
I got to guess where it is. So that's the
tiny oven, that's a bread oven. Yet, don't go in
the oven. So I'm going to guess it's near a fireplace?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
So it's a standard basic priest tide. Yes, So I
I'm going to say that not that one. I feel
like your eyes are going over here?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Oh? Can I get inside this fireplace and get inside
the fireplace if you want?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Okay? What do I do? Do?
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I just like poke around and see where? Well? Are there?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
No?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I mean that's a bit obvious because they're like cupboards.
A space is very close by. I'm plenty to tell
me that I'd have been here for three hours in
this fireplace?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Is it.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Below the fireplace?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
No? To the left, to the right, the right.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I was going to keep naming directions. I don't think
I'd be able to be a very good and my
priest hunting skills haven't improved since William's hiding place at
Ripley was no easier to find.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
As usual.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I've entered a room and I'm want to guess where
the priest hole is. They're normally by the fireplace. I'm
going to guess maybe that one over there? How, No,
this one. There's two fireplaces in this room. So and
I've and I've picked both of them, and neither are correct.
It's elsewhere, right, Okay? Is that right? I just accidentally
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put my hand against the wall and I found the
priest hole.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yes we can.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
That is a very very tidy priest hole. A little
legs to sit down as well, that's you don't even
get them.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
And then between the doors we've got small cloth. This
is the cloth that was put there originally so she
could shine a candle inside the priest hole and the
light wouldn't escape through the gaps and the paneling and
give his position away. Small, cramped and uncomfortable, but a
lot better than the fate that waited you if you've
got cause.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
And in case you're wondering what fate awaited William if
he got caught. Here's a quick story of Margaret cliff
Row March of the Catholic Church and known harborer of priests.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yes, she was known as the Rose of York. She
was very very strongly Catholic, married to a butcher who
many husbands will feel sympathy with. This just wanted to
get on with trade and lead a straightforward life. Sadly,
he married this very strong character and she was warned
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that she was about to be caught. She paid no
attention to it, she said, no, she was absolutely steadfast
in her aim. And she was eventually betrayed and she
was pressed to death at your pa, which that she
was placed between two doors, and then massive boulders and
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rocks were placed on top of the upper door until
all the ribs broke.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Even for the time that broke, even for the time
that sounds quite it was very dementary.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
It was very extreme because they were also stripped naked
at the time, and yeah, it was barbaric, actually barbaric.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Was that just the official punishment or do they sort
of capture them and go right, what we're going to
do with them? Just make it up?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
No, it wasn't official punishment.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So pressing was if you do this, you get pressed.
If you do that, you get hung, If you do that,
you get well.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
I think it was very much optional on the part
of the man who decided the sentence.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Do they just have two doors hanging around for that purpose,
or do they have to unhinge two doors just nearby
some bloke going that's my house talk, He gets it
back and there's just keup smurged all over them.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Quite possibly, I suspect. There were old storerooms full of
doors purpose ready for a pressing engagement.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
So pretty safe to say that if William had been caught,
it wouldn't have ended well. But let's get back to
Trooper Jane. So Cromwell has arrived at the castle.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Trooper Jane went out to meet him at the castle
gatehouse with two pistols in her hands. At first that
to defend the castle against him and all comers, basically,
and one of his general's general, Sir William Waller, was
a relation of the Alebyes. He interceded and arranged a
(15:43):
temporary truce which allowed Cromwell's spend the night by the
fireside and the castle library.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So temporary is in just one evening, one Brinkley, one
night on one feeling I've been a truth with many
or women for one night. Yes, I shouldn't be admitting
that at all.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
So this remarkable pair sat there, the victorious general who
just changed the course of the Civil war, and this
redoubtable woman who was determined to prevent him or his
troops from searching the castle for her brother who was
concealed upstairs. Also to protect her virtue, although if she
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was half as ugly as her brother. She had no
problems on that front. Traumwell was left to a difficult
situation because his troops were billeted in the village and
had shot several Royalist prisoners against the castle wall and
also against the east gable wall of the church, and
they were in no mood for messing about, and you
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could hardly go outside next morning say you'll never guess
what happened to me last night. And she got her
got away with it. She was asked, would you have
shot him? And she said, well, I'm not used to pistols.
I'm more used to killing him with swords. But yes,
he wouldn't have gone away. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
What must they have talked about? Just sort of sack
They just sat there, chair to chair. Yeah, she's got
these two pistols. He's snoozing, I imagine or trying to
small talk is hard at the best of the times.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Very difficult, and particularly if you can imagine. The troopers
from the village probably left in the early morning. They
were scasted all over the countryside. Most of the north
of England still thought that the King's Army had won
the battle, because all these riders came back saying we
sorted the Cromwells for about took three days for the
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news to get around, and actually the battle had gone
totally the other way, and then that awful expectation in
the hours that followed, are the boys coming back or
have they fallen on the battlefield? And then suddenly for
the the enemy general to turn up here and yeah,
it's men, start shooting prisoners and take over the church
and all the houses, leaving next morning. They must have
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run the fun full gamut of fear during that twenty
four hours.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
And of course the room that they sat in is
just across from us, across the hall which is now
is the library.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yes, another roaring fire as well. Yeah, excellent, and still
almost exactly as they left it. So, yeah, the great
thing about castles it's not just the building, the architecture,
but also in this case, the history actually took place
on the spot where the visitors are standing. And if
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these wolves could talk, yeah, it would be riveting.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Well, I imagine that you've probably sat in that room yourself,
with your wife even I imagine just chair to share
in the same positions as they would have been. Yes,
that's incredible, isn't it Just to think of the virtue.
She's very virtuous, my wife. I would never, never doubt that.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Notwithstanding the five children.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
So Trooper Jane and Oliver Cromwell have been sat there
all evening, minimal amounts of conversation, tensions are high in
the morning. How does it get left? What actually then
happens to tuber Jane and.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Her brother in the pret soul? Her brother wasn't discovered,
so he emerged. He was fined for being delinquent, which
was a legal term in those days, not just what
you were called by your teacher in classed. He he
was fined seven hundred pounds a year, which was an
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absolute king's ransom in those days, and it completely destroyed
him mentally. He pretty well fell apart and he died
a broken man as a result of this. Trooper Jane,
the only other trace we can find for her in
history in those days was in the wages books, where
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she's recorded as being paid a small wage to churn
the butter at the home farm. So she was obviously
a lady with a very strong right arm. Yeah, yeah,
I can imagine.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
On the morning that Cromwell left Ripley, Trooper Janning will
be said it was well he had behaved in so
peaceful a manner for that. Had it been otherwise, he
would not have left his house with his life. She
and her brother are buried in the crypt beneath Ripley Church.
When Jane was asked why two pistols, she replied, I
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might have missed with the first.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
We could have a dramatic ending. Oh my god, I'm
not sure that is on man binds. I think that
might be a man who I mean, I don't want
to judge, but I doubt it. He looks like him.
He is a tourist.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
This whole cast was made of cardboard. Just push it down,
just a film set. We are really fairly university. But
I can't hope, I can't this. This looks like more
like a lord. Oh but I'm not sure it might
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be a man with a briefcase. Yeah, he looks very
stately there. Good morning, not at all? How are you?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
It's absolutely to Tom.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Already, thank you very much for having us.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
That's all right, it's always fun. Doing this.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Good makes me pay my pay attention to it makes
me learn mine as well. I'm looking forward. Can we
are able to go into the come along? MH and
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he's gone, he's left, and then he's gone to a
different entrance and we're going into a an entrance around
the side. Kah, he said Isaiah, he's got a lord vibe.
Is that what we expected?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
M hm h m hm.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah. Well the door bell reads Sir Thomas and Lady Ingleby.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And we're not.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Actually inside yet, but already there is a umbrella standing
cotrack made of deer antlers, and see two stags head
on on on the on the wall, and a very
lush rouge carpet. This is absolutely where a lord lives
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h category of various things. Barren viscounts, this is amazing.
I'm taken aback by your your antler umbrella stand already.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Probably probably attracts more attention than else.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
When you're coming to a cast and the meeting the lord.
You want to.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
From from deer on the press?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
No, I think they're from Norway. That question. You could
fit these things on boats. You can't be put on
the food customers. Now, it's a few questions.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
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We're back at Ripley Castle, home to the Ingleby family
for the last seven hundred years, more than long enough
to establish squash's rights. Not that I'm speaking from experience
or anything. Last time we heard about a whole host.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Of Ingleby's William Jarl and Henry So, William addacut, single Francis,
his brother David.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
And speaking of Sir Thomas, we are in the very
privileged position of actually being able to talk to a live,
living Ingleby. I have Sir Thomas Ingleby, the sixth Baronet,
right here in front of me. Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
It's a pleasure while I'm alive for.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Well, if you can make it to the next hour
or two interview which to come to us Agen, that
would be a hell of a podcast. Thank you for
coming to allowing us into this castle. You im' right.
You've actually just moved out of the castle to a
private properties elsewhere in Ripley. Yes, we've moved all of
(01:01):
a hundred yards, a big move. We went big move,
but it still requires a lot of planning and houlding
of stuff upstairs and downstairs, and it was utterly tiring
and I don't ever want to do it again, were
there certain parts or ornaments or pieces in this castle
that you were determined to take with you or did
(01:22):
you leave most of the good stuff here?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
We've left all of the good stuff here.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yeah, yes, even just a really fancy doorstop.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
No mean no, it wouldn't be fair to strip the
castle there.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Because you've left it to your son and his wife
and two daughters. Yes, and how are they finding it?
Because I imagine running a cast is actually trickier than
it seems. I say that it sounds it seems quite tricky.
So how has it been living here over the years.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
I think it's been interesting. I mean it's been a challenge.
And the main thing is that nothing goes as planned.
You accept that you have your plans for the when
you set off. By the end of the evening, you
haven't achieved anything off your list of things today, but
you've dealt with a whole lot of other things. And
the one thing we have learned is never to lift
(02:10):
a floorboard find stuff under the floor. Stuff under the floor,
which frequently take four months to sort out and cost
you tens of thousands of pounds.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's expensive floorboards.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
If you live expensive floorboards.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Have you ever found anything sort of like a human
skull or anything like that under the floorboards.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
No, we haven't, thankfully. Sure. Yes, we were worried about
when we discovered the priests secret hiding.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Place there might be a priest still in there.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
We were concerned the priest was probably still in there,
but thankfully he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
I mean, as far as living in the castle. You
you were saying just before we started recording that you're
enjoying the privacy of your own place now because having
had small amount of experience with my six years in
the Tower of London, living amongst tourists every day, there
isn't such a thing as privacy. It's you are constantly
(03:06):
bumping into them in different places. They're constantly walking into
rooms they're not meant to. It must have been a
nightmare over the years.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
It is because there's no form of escape from this
castle without crossing a public route. And the other things
involves is climbing a lot of steps. Yeah, that's the
other thing. We won't miss, even the humble things in life,
like coming back from the local supermarket laden with shopping
because we've got five children and you get halfway across
(03:35):
the corridor and the party would emerge through the door
at the other end, and the guide would say, oh,
good morning, sir Thomas, and immediately thirty pairs of eyes
turn round and there's this draggled figure carrying about five
shopping bags. So it takes the majesty of the Yes,
(03:56):
you can tell it wasn't quite the figure they were
expecting to see.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
At what point in growing up here did you start
to realize, oh, I live in a special place.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, I suppose not really until my teens. I suppose
there are scales of houses living up leading up to
a castle, and you went to sort of big houses,
modest houses, but you didn't realize how very special this
was until you began to learn about the history. Teachers
(04:28):
would tell you something, teach you about something, and you think, gosh,
our family was involved in that.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, you sat in history class and suddenly going hang
on a second, I think that happened in my garden.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
More important books, there were milestones in literature, and you think, oh,
I'm sure I've seen that on the library self.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
A huge part of the history, so Thomas mentioned is
the English Civil War, in particular the Battle of Marsden Moore,
and it's the backdrop for one of the most incredible
stories Ripley has to offer. It's the middle of the
sixteen hundreds and Oliver Cromwell's Roundheads are fighting King Charles
the First's cavaliers. It's all part of a dispute between
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the Crown and Parliament about how England, Scotland and Ireland
should be governed. Trooper Jane was the sister of Sir
William Ingleby and they lived at Ripley Castle in Yorkshire.
Together they supported King Charles the First. In sixteen forty four,
the fighting came close to Ripley at the famous Battle
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of marster Moore. Jane dressed in full armor and rode
into battle next to her brother, Sir William Ingleby, in
what would be the largest battle there's ever been fought
on English soil. The Royalists were badly defeated and lost
around four thousand soldiers during a two hour battle. Another
fifteen hundred were taken prisoner by Cromwell and his roundheads.
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After the Battle of marster Moore, Trooper Jane Ingleby and
her brother rushed back to the castle at Ripley, and
not a moment too soon, Oliver Cromwell and his troops
arrived and demanded they look after them for the night.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
The Civil War has often been described as the revolution
that England never had, and probably saved us from having
a revolution like the French had. And it was a
matter of democracy that the king in those days, or
the monarch of those days, firmly believed that he was
selected by God. He was king by God, and he
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could therefore do what he wanted and raised taxes without
having to be answerable. So not everyone agreed with him,
and particularly those who had a narrow vision of God
and they wanted democracy. So it did kulmate in war.
The king wasn't prepared to step down, He wasn't prepared
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to give way in any way at all. So the
Battle of Masters and War was really the turning point
of the war, because the battles have been thought were
won by either side, but not conclusively in terms of
the war. Marster Moore was the first battle that destroyed
the King's army in the north of England forever. They
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never recovered from us, so it's all downhill basically from there.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
It's at this crucial turning point of the English Civil
War that my favorite in Wilbie. Sorry, Sir Thomas enters
the story.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Trooper Jane was the youngest of seven children, most of
the children being boys, and therefore she developed fairly good
defensive mechanisms, very sharp elbows. I suspect you've got.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
To if you've got a bunch of brothers.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yes, our daughter feels the same, being the only one
out of five. And she came to provenance really during
the Civil War and when her brother William raised a
trooper force from Ripley to try and the Siege of York,
they joined Prince Rupert's Army of Cavalry and it culminates
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in the Battle of Masters and More on the second
of July sixteen forty four, and Trooper Jane there were
quite a few women on the battlefield, but she was
one of the few who was there for her own volition.
Quite often because the soldiers were paid to their wives.
If the soldier was killed, then she obviously lost her income,
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so the obvious thing was for her to fight as
well or take some active pass And Trooper Jane was
obviously quite a character because she trained like a soldier,
so she was a professional of her period. And she
was then aged forty three free, so she was no
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spring chicken. The battle went both ways. It was a
game of two halves. That'd been a ferocious thunderstorm that afternoon,
and Cromwell, realizing that the King was expecting more Scottish
troops to reinforce his army, he was about five thousand
short of men compared to the Cromwellian army, launched a
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surprise attack with his cavalry, and Prince Rupert was actually
having dinner about a mile and a half off the
battlefield when this happened, so he had to saddle up
very quickly. But the Royalist cavalry were very good and
they not any counter attack, but they drove the Cromwellian
cavalry off the battlefield. Now the battle would have had
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a very different outcome if that the Red Mist hadn't descended.
The Royalist troopers had the Cromwellians on the run and
they weren't going to let them off, and they chased
them not just off the battlefield, but halfway into Lancashire,
whereupon Cromwell's infantry got together and fell on the King's
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infantry were now undefended by horsemen, and made very short
work of them. That trooper. Jane and her brother William
survived thenaged to get back to Ripley. And you can
imagine the total horror when who should turn up at
the front door a couple of hours later, but the
victorious rebel general is who is called Oliver Cromwell himself.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Yeah, was that a frosty reception? There was a very
frosty reception.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Indeed, So William knew what would happen to him if
he got caught, so he disappeared up into the priests
secret hiding place. Francis it will be a few years earlier.
I literally disappeared, leaving Cromwell to be sourced out by
his sister Jane.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
So at this point Jane is left to face Cromwell
while her brother William escapes upstairs into a priest hole.
And if whoever came looking for him was anything like me,
he would have been pretty safe. I don't know if
you remember are Harvington Hall episode, but a priest hunter
I am not. There is something in this room. There's
a secret hiding place. Have I got to guess where?
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I got to guess where it is. So that's the
tiny oven, that's a bread oven. Yet, don't go in
the oven. So I'm going to guess it's near a fireplace?
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (11:16):
So it's a standard basic priest tide. Yes, So I
I'm going to say that not that one. I feel
like your eyes are going over here?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Oh? Can I get inside this fireplace and get inside
the fireplace if you want?
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Okay? What do I do? Do?
Speaker 1 (11:33):
I just like poke around and see where? Well? Are there?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
No?
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I mean that's a bit obvious because they're like cupboards.
A space is very close by. I'm plenty to tell
me that I'd have been here for three hours in
this fireplace?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Is it.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Below the fireplace?
Speaker 2 (11:51):
No? To the left, to the right, the right.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I was going to keep naming directions. I don't think
I'd be able to be a very good and my
priest hunting skills haven't improved since William's hiding place at
Ripley was no easier to find.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
As usual.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I've entered a room and I'm want to guess where
the priest hole is. They're normally by the fireplace. I'm
going to guess maybe that one over there? How, No,
this one. There's two fireplaces in this room. So and
I've and I've picked both of them, and neither are correct.
It's elsewhere, right, Okay? Is that right? I just accidentally
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put my hand against the wall and I found the
priest hole.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yes we can.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
That is a very very tidy priest hole. A little
legs to sit down as well, that's you don't even
get them.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
And then between the doors we've got small cloth. This
is the cloth that was put there originally so she
could shine a candle inside the priest hole and the
light wouldn't escape through the gaps and the paneling and
give his position away. Small, cramped and uncomfortable, but a
lot better than the fate that waited you if you've
got cause.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
And in case you're wondering what fate awaited William if
he got caught. Here's a quick story of Margaret cliff
Row March of the Catholic Church and known harborer of priests.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Yes, she was known as the Rose of York. She
was very very strongly Catholic, married to a butcher who
many husbands will feel sympathy with. This just wanted to
get on with trade and lead a straightforward life. Sadly,
he married this very strong character and she was warned
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that she was about to be caught. She paid no
attention to it, she said, no, she was absolutely steadfast
in her aim. And she was eventually betrayed and she
was pressed to death at your pa, which that she
was placed between two doors, and then massive boulders and
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rocks were placed on top of the upper door until
all the ribs broke.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Even for the time that broke, even for the time
that sounds quite it was very dementary.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
It was very extreme because they were also stripped naked
at the time, and yeah, it was barbaric, actually barbaric.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Was that just the official punishment or do they sort
of capture them and go right, what we're going to
do with them? Just make it up?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
No, it wasn't official punishment.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So pressing was if you do this, you get pressed.
If you do that, you get hung, If you do that,
you get well.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
I think it was very much optional on the part
of the man who decided the sentence.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Do they just have two doors hanging around for that purpose,
or do they have to unhinge two doors just nearby
some bloke going that's my house talk, He gets it
back and there's just keup smurged all over them.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Quite possibly, I suspect. There were old storerooms full of
doors purpose ready for a pressing engagement.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
So pretty safe to say that if William had been caught,
it wouldn't have ended well. But let's get back to
Trooper Jane. So Cromwell has arrived at the castle.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Trooper Jane went out to meet him at the castle
gatehouse with two pistols in her hands. At first that
to defend the castle against him and all comers, basically,
and one of his general's general, Sir William Waller, was
a relation of the Alebyes. He interceded and arranged a
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temporary truce which allowed Cromwell's spend the night by the
fireside and the castle library.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
So temporary is in just one evening, one Brinkley, one
night on one feeling I've been a truth with many
or women for one night. Yes, I shouldn't be admitting
that at all.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
So this remarkable pair sat there, the victorious general who
just changed the course of the Civil war, and this
redoubtable woman who was determined to prevent him or his
troops from searching the castle for her brother who was
concealed upstairs. Also to protect her virtue, although if she
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was half as ugly as her brother. She had no
problems on that front. Traumwell was left to a difficult
situation because his troops were billeted in the village and
had shot several Royalist prisoners against the castle wall and
also against the east gable wall of the church, and
they were in no mood for messing about, and you
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could hardly go outside next morning say you'll never guess
what happened to me last night. And she got her
got away with it. She was asked, would you have
shot him? And she said, well, I'm not used to pistols.
I'm more used to killing him with swords. But yes,
he wouldn't have gone away. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
What must they have talked about? Just sort of sack
They just sat there, chair to chair. Yeah, she's got
these two pistols. He's snoozing, I imagine or trying to
small talk is hard at the best of the times.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Very difficult, and particularly if you can imagine. The troopers
from the village probably left in the early morning. They
were scasted all over the countryside. Most of the north
of England still thought that the King's Army had won
the battle, because all these riders came back saying we
sorted the Cromwells for about took three days for the
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news to get around, and actually the battle had gone
totally the other way, and then that awful expectation in
the hours that followed, are the boys coming back or
have they fallen on the battlefield? And then suddenly for
the the enemy general to turn up here and yeah,
it's men, start shooting prisoners and take over the church
and all the houses, leaving next morning. They must have
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run the fun full gamut of fear during that twenty
four hours.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
And of course the room that they sat in is
just across from us, across the hall which is now
is the library.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yes, another roaring fire as well. Yeah, excellent, and still
almost exactly as they left it. So, yeah, the great
thing about castles it's not just the building, the architecture,
but also in this case, the history actually took place
on the spot where the visitors are standing. And if
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these wolves could talk, yeah, it would be riveting.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Well, I imagine that you've probably sat in that room yourself,
with your wife even I imagine just chair to share
in the same positions as they would have been. Yes,
that's incredible, isn't it Just to think of the virtue.
She's very virtuous, my wife. I would never, never doubt that.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Notwithstanding the five children.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
So Trooper Jane and Oliver Cromwell have been sat there
all evening, minimal amounts of conversation, tensions are high in
the morning. How does it get left? What actually then
happens to tuber Jane and.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Her brother in the pret soul? Her brother wasn't discovered,
so he emerged. He was fined for being delinquent, which
was a legal term in those days, not just what
you were called by your teacher in classed. He he
was fined seven hundred pounds a year, which was an
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absolute king's ransom in those days, and it completely destroyed
him mentally. He pretty well fell apart and he died
a broken man as a result of this. Trooper Jane,
the only other trace we can find for her in
history in those days was in the wages books, where
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she's recorded as being paid a small wage to churn
the butter at the home farm. So she was obviously
a lady with a very strong right arm. Yeah, yeah,
I can imagine.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
On the morning that Cromwell left Ripley, Trooper Janning will
be said it was well he had behaved in so
peaceful a manner for that. Had it been otherwise, he
would not have left his house with his life. She
and her brother are buried in the crypt beneath Ripley Church.
When Jane was asked why two pistols, she replied, I
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might have missed with the first.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
We could have a dramatic ending. Oh my god, I'm
not sure that is on man binds. I think that
might be a man who I mean, I don't want
to judge, but I doubt it. He looks like him.
He is a tourist.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
This whole cast was made of cardboard. Just push it down,
just a film set. We are really fairly university. But
I can't hope, I can't this. This looks like more
like a lord. Oh but I'm not sure it might
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be a man with a briefcase. Yeah, he looks very
stately there. Good morning, not at all? How are you?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
It's absolutely to Tom.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Already, thank you very much for having us.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
That's all right, it's always fun. Doing this.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Good makes me pay my pay attention to it makes
me learn mine as well. I'm looking forward. Can we
are able to go into the come along? MH and
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he's gone, he's left, and then he's gone to a
different entrance and we're going into a an entrance around
the side. Kah, he said Isaiah, he's got a lord vibe.
Is that what we expected?
Speaker 2 (23:08):
M hm h m hm.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah. Well the door bell reads Sir Thomas and Lady Ingleby.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And we're not.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Actually inside yet, but already there is a umbrella standing
cotrack made of deer antlers, and see two stags head
on on on the on the wall, and a very
lush rouge carpet. This is absolutely where a lord lives
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h category of various things. Barren viscounts, this is amazing.
I'm taken aback by your your antler umbrella stand already.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Probably probably attracts more attention than else.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
When you're coming to a cast and the meeting the lord.
You want to.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
From from deer on the press?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
No, I think they're from Norway. That question. You could
fit these things on boats. You can't be put on
the food customers. Now, it's a few questions.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
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Tom Horton. It was produced by William Lensky, Rebecca Rappaport,
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